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Episode: Tariffs are going to the Supreme Court. What's at stake?
Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Scott Detrow
Guests: Danielle Kurtzleben (White House Correspondent), Scott Horsley (Chief Economics Correspondent)

Overview

This episode examines the Supreme Court's upcoming case on President Trump's use of executive power to impose tariffs—one of the most consequential economic and constitutional questions in recent U.S. history. The hosts discuss the legal and economic stakes of the case, how tariffs have shaped the U.S. economy, and what the future may hold depending on the decision.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Supreme Court and Trump's Tariffs

• The Supreme Court will hear arguments about whether President Trump overstepped his executive authority by imposing certain tariffs without explicit congressional approval.
• Trump has described this as "the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in a hundred years" and warned of dire economic consequences if the tariff tool is taken from him.
  • Quote (Danielle Kurtzleben quoting Trump, 00:09):

    "I think it's the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in a hundred years."

  • Quote (Trump via Danielle Kurtzleben, 00:34):

    "I think our country will be immeasurably hurt. I think our economy will go to hell. Look, because of tariffs, we have the highest stock market we've ever had."

2. Economic Impact—Who's Hurt, Who Gains?

• Business leaders and agricultural representatives argue that tariffs limit economic opportunity.
  • Kentucky farmer Caleb Ragland (Scott Horsley paraphrased, 00:59):

    "We need opportunities from the market. And tariffs and trade wars, they take away opportunity."

• The Supreme Court's focus is not on whether tariffs help or hurt the economy, but on the legality and constitutionality of the executive’s actions.

3. Congressional Pushback and Constitutional Separation of Powers

• Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar (MN) called for overturning the emergency tariffs, emphasizing that Congress, not the President, should control tariff decisions—especially when applied seemingly for personal or political reasons.
  • Quote (Danielle Kurtzleben quoting Sen. Klobuchar, 01:33):

    "No, this is not how this work. It's not how it works under the Constitution. It's not how it works under the law."

4. What is the Central Legal Question?

• The Supreme Court must decide not the efficacy of tariffs, but whether the President has the authority—under a 1970s emergency powers law—to impose tariffs broadly.
  • The law at issue grants the President broad economic powers during national emergencies, but the plaintiffs argue Trump’s use of it far exceeds what Congress intended.
    • Danielle Kurtzleben (06:13):

      “The big question in this case is how much power a president has to impose tariffs. ... Congress over the years has passed laws that give some of that tariffing power to the president. But at issue ... is a 1970s law that gives the president broad economic powers in the case of national emergencies. So the question is whether Trump overstepped what that law intended.”

5. Economic Numbers: Revenue and Inflation

• Tariffs raise significant revenue ($30 billion in September 2025), but this is a small proportion of federal income.
• Most tariff costs are paid by American businesses and consumers, not by foreign entities.
  • Scott Horsley (05:51):

    “We're the people that are paying this tax. And eventually it gets passed on. It has to be passed on to the consumer. There’s no one that can eat this.”

• Inflation has edged up from just over 2% to 3% since worldwide tariffs were imposed. This has affected prices across daily goods and raw materials, but has not significantly boosted domestic manufacturing.
  • Over 40,000 factory jobs have been lost since April, and manufacturing activity is slumping.

6. The Wild Card Nature of Trump’s Trade Policy

• Trump has used tariffs as negotiation leverage in “deal-making,” extracting pledges for investment or purchases from foreign nations—often resulting in informal or non-binding agreements.
  • Danielle Kurtzleben (08:26):

    “...for the White House, wild and unpredictable is a feature, not a bug ... he’s been using those tariffs as leverage in doing something he loves, which is deal making.”

7. Potential Outcomes of the Supreme Court Decision

• If the Supreme Court rules against Trump's tariffs, the average import tax would drop from 18% to 9%.
• Other statutes likely still allow the President some tariff-imposing authority, so much of his “tariff wall” could be rebuilt, though with added strings and time limits.
  • Kathleen Clausen, Georgetown Professor (paraphrased, 09:44):

    “He could probably piece together something very close to, if not identical ... using these other statutes. But those other laws do come with strings attached, for example, time limits.”

• A decision against the tariffs could spark chaos, including possible mass refund claims from businesses that already paid the tariffs.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Trump on 60 Minutes (quoted by Danielle Kurtzleben, 00:09):

  "I think it's the most important subject discussed by the Supreme Court in a hundred years."

• Sen. Amy Klobuchar on Congressional Authority (quoted by Danielle Kurtzleben, 01:33):

  "No, this is not how this work. It's not how it works under the Constitution. It's not how it works under the law."

• Scott Horsley on Who Actually Pays Tariffs (05:51):

  "...eventually it gets passed on. It has to be passed on to the consumer. There’s no one that can eat this."

• Danielle Kurtzleben on Trump’s Approach to Trade (08:26):

  "Wild and unpredictable is a feature, not a bug."

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00 - 01:15] Setting the scene: Trump's defense and business opposition to tariffs
• [01:16 - 02:27] Constitutional and legislative context, Sen. Klobuchar's remarks
• [03:43 - 04:15] Introducing the Supreme Court case's focus and stakes
• [05:03 - 05:51] Economic impact: Who pays tariffs & effect on government revenue
• [06:13 - 07:16] Central legal question: Executive power vs. Congressional authority
• [07:22 - 08:12] Real-world impact: inflation and the manufacturing sector
• [08:26 - 09:15] Trump’s philosophy: unpredictability and “deal making” with tariffs
• [09:23 - 10:27] What happens next? Potential outcomes and continued legal challenges

Episode Takeaways

• At its core, this Supreme Court hearing tackles whether the President overstepped bounds set by law and the Constitution in imposing sweeping tariffs.
• The decision will have significant implications for the economy, global trade, executive power, and Congressional authority.
• Even a ruling against Trump may not end broad executive power to impose tariffs, though future trade maneuvering could become more cumbersome and legally fraught.

Hosts:
Scott Detrow, Danielle Kurtzleben, Scott Horsley

Produced by: Connor Donovan, Karen Zamora
Edited by: Courtney Dorning, Rafael Nahm, Dana Farrington
Executive Producer: Sami Yenigun