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Independence Day means different things to each of us. And even though there is only one official national anthem, there are a whole lot more songs that help define America. Oh, beautiful spacious skies like America the beautiful courtesy here of Ray Charles, which marvels at the nation as it is, but also as it could be. America, Ooh, America, make God thy gold refined, till all success be nobleness ever again divine. Or Woody Guthrie's this land is your land which hands each of us the keys. From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters, this land was made for you and me. Today on America's 249th birthday, we're gonna do something a little bit different. We're gonna dig into some songs that have become galvanizing form in American culture. From NPR's American Anthem series, it's Consider this from NPR. I'm Ailsa Chang. The House of Representatives has approved a White House request to claw back two years of previously approved funding for public media. 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You want to know what the world is like beyond the surface. Npr NPR feeds that curiosity with stories from real people, with real experiences and all the perspectives that come with them. It's alright to be curious and our prerogative to listen. So keep your curiosity alive. Hear the bigger picture every day on npr. It's Consider this from npr. We're going to start with a song that many of you will probably remember from childhood, this little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine. Critic Eric Dagins looked at how the beloved children's Song this Little Light of Mine became a civil rights anthem. Sometimes, experts say songs like this Little Light of Mine start off as children's folk songs, which become spiritual, sung everywhere from churches to prison work camps. Everywhere I go, I'm gonna let it shine. As the civil rights movement grew in the 1950s and 60s, and singers changed the lyrics to reference their struggles, these new versions were known as freedom songs. It might seem odd to call such an innocent sounding song defiant, but that's exactly how blues singer Betty Mae Fikes felt when she created her classic version of this Little Light of mine in 1963. She improvised the lyrics after a protest in which several of her friends had been attacked. And I'm thinking, you know, how does the light shine when they're trying to put our lights out? So everybody was taking verses in order to come in. I just went into the slave call, and all of a sudden I just started adding our oppressors in the song. Tell Jim Clark I'm gonna let it shine, Jim Clark. And as I added my oppressors here, other people in the audience began to shout out, tell the kkk. Tell our president. It was like being free. Still, one question persists. Why has this little light of mine survived for so long? Robert Darden, a professor at Baylor University who's written about the song in at least two books, has a theory. If you've asked some of the survivors of the civil rights movement, as I did, survivors who sang these songs for protection and for courage, why this Little Light of Mine survives and is still sung, they would look at me straight in the eye and say, because those songs are anointed. And as an academic, I have no way to refute that, nor do I want to. There's a little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine. That was Robert DARDEN Talking to NPR's Eric Deggans about this Little Light of Mine. The word anthem connotes something big, right? Something that unites listeners, but also maybe something that challenges them. Aaron Copeland's Fanfare for the Common man was composed in 1942, and since then it has been heard everywhere. NPR's Mandalit del Barco looked into why this song continues to command so much attention. Aaron Copland began his fanfare with dramatic percussion. It heralds something big, exciting, heroic, then simple, trumpet notes ascending. It's a piece that feels like it was written by God and not by a human. Jazz trumpet player and composer Terrence Blanchard. Whenever I hear it, it stops me in my tracks, and it makes me reflect on the goodness of man, really. And I know that sounds corny for some, but it really makes me think about at the end of the day, you know, most people in this country are good, God fearing people, Honestly. That could have been our national anthem. It has that type of spirit to it. By 1942, the US had entered World War II, and composer Aaron Copland was inspired by a speech Vice President Henry A. Wallace gave to rally Americans. Some have spoken of the American century. I say that the century on which we are entering, the century which will come into being after this war, can be and must be the century of the common man. And the common man deserved a fanfare, Copeland once said, remarking it was the common man, after all, who was doing all the dirty work in the war and the Army. NPR asked listeners to reflect on Aaron Copeland's fanfare. My name is Lynn Gilbert and I live in Bristol, Maine. My career was in it for a utility company. And in spite of the current political landscape, I guess I still believe that there is an American dream of peace and prosperity for everyone. And music that soars and inspires like this piece does brings hope for the future. It's powerful, it's direct, and it's really just American. I love it. Thank you, Aaron Copeland. All of that in a piece that's under four minutes long. Mandalita Albarco, NPR News. Lynn Neary first heard Bob Dylan's the Times They Are Changin when she was barely a teenager. Once she heard the song, she says pretty much nothing was the same after that. Come gather round, people, wherever you roam. This protest song from 1963 continues to find new meaning for new generations. In 2018, thousands of young people gathered on the National Mall for the March for Our Lives in response to the Parkland School shooting. Singer Jennifer Hudson closed the event with this song, and she was backed by a choir of young people. All right, let's run it from the top. Ranging in age from 13 to 30, they meet regularly to rehearse in Columbia, Maryland. Come gather round, people wherever you go Gather round and around. Choir director Jonathan Ball says he was surprised when the choir was asked to sing the Times They Are a Changin at the march. He didn't know the song, and neither did most of the members of the choir. Ball says as they started to rehearse, the lyrics took on more meaning for all of them. He began imagining what it would be like to sing those words. Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call on the National Mall. In my mind when I was arranging the part, I was like, I hope the president hears this. I hope the senators, the congressmen are actually listening like a movie, almost like, you know, like they hear the music and they just like, write a new law. Come, senators and congressmen, please heed the call don't you stand in the doorway don't you block up the hall. Erica Edmond is the lead singer. She says the full impact of the song really hit when the choir sang it during the march because we were there looking at all of these people. I would look into the crowd, seeing people crying. You know, you have people that are begging, screaming for change. So it makes it easy for me to sing the song because it means so much to what I've seen now. Choir member Theron Fowler was amazed that one song could be so powerful. This anthem, it brought us together for something bigger than ourselves. No matter what race, what culture, background, religious, whatever, it brought everyone together. And so a new generation takes up the anthem that inspired young people more than 50 years ago. But it's not a song that looks to the past, and it's an anthem of hope for a future where change is always possible. NPR's Lynn Neary on the times they are changing. NPR also asked you to send us stories about your personal anthems. And a number of you wrote about the Simon and Garfunkel song America. It's a road trip song that's about more than just traveling, right? Listeners said it speaks to a quest for meaning. Here in their own words are Eugene Lisansky, Yael Cohen and Val Sullivan. The whole part where he says, I'm empty and aching and I don't know why, just really is kind of how I feel as an American right now. I'm empty and aching and I don't know why. Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike They've all come to recall America. Many of us, myself included, have been stuck on the New Jersey Turnpike. And it's not a place that you would really think that you would find meaning. Realizing that everybody is looking for America, what does that mean for me? Getting to know America is more about the questions that we ask than the sort of sureness that we might reach in our own experience. 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Consider This from NPR: The Songs That Define America
Release Date: July 4, 2025
Host: Ailsa Chang
On Independence Day, Consider This from NPR delves into the rich tapestry of songs that have shaped and reflected American culture. Host Ailsa Chang sets the stage by highlighting how songs like Ray Charles's rendition of "America the Beautiful" and Woody Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land" go beyond mere melodies to embody the nation's values and aspirations.
A foundational segment explores the transformation of "This Little Light of Mine" from a beloved children's song into a powerful civil rights anthem.
Evolution of the Song:
Betty Mae Fikes's Iconic Version:
“And I'm thinking, you know, how does the light shine when they're trying to put our lights out? So everybody was taking verses in order to come in. I just went into the slave call, and all of a sudden I just started adding our oppressors in the song.”
(02:15)
Academic Insight:
“Because those songs are anointed.”
(04:50)
Darden posits that the song's spiritual and anointed nature has allowed it to remain a beacon of hope and resilience across generations.
Transitioning to instrumental anthems, the podcast examines Aaron Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man" and its significance in American culture.
Composition and Impact:
“It's a piece that feels like it was written by God and not by a human.”
(06:45)
Musician's Perspective:
“Whenever I hear it, it stops me in my tracks, and it makes me reflect on the goodness of man, really.”
(07:25)
Historical Context:
Listener Reflection:
“I still believe that there is an American dream of peace and prosperity for everyone. And music that soars and inspires like this piece does brings hope for the future.”
(10:05)
The discussion shifts to Bob Dylan's iconic protest song, highlighting its enduring relevance and impact on new generations.
Personal Connection:
Modern Usage:
Choir's Experience:
“I hope the senators, the congressmen are actually listening like a movie, almost like, you know, like they hear the music and they just like, write a new law.”
(13:15)
Emotional Impact:
“You have people that are begging, screaming for change. So it makes it easy for me to sing the song because it means so much to what I've seen now.”
(14:50)
Unity Through Music:
“This anthem, it brought us together for something bigger than ourselves. No matter what race, what culture, background, religious, whatever, it brought everyone together.”
(15:35)
NPR engages listeners by sharing personal stories about songs that resonate deeply with their sense of American identity, focusing on Simon and Garfunkel's "America."
Eugene Lisansky's Reflection:
“The whole part where he says, I'm empty and aching and I don't know why, just really is kind of how I feel as an American right now.”
(17:05)
Yael Cohen and Val Sullivan on Defining America:
“Getting to know America is more about the questions that we ask than the sort of sureness that we might reach in our own experience.”
(18:25)
These narratives underscore the ongoing search for what America represents, highlighting the personal and collective dimensions of this quest.
As the episode wraps up, Ailsa Chang extends warm wishes for Independence Day, acknowledging the power of music to inspire, unite, and define the American experience. She invites listeners to continue exploring NPR's American Anthem series and expresses gratitude to the supporters who sustain NPR's journalism.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps:
Betty Mae Fikes on adding oppressors to the song:
“I just went into the slave call, and all of a sudden I just started adding our oppressors in the song.”
(02:15)
Robert Darden on the song's longevity:
“Because those songs are anointed.”
(04:50)
Terrence Blanchard on "Fanfare for the Common Man":
“Whenever I hear it, it stops me in my tracks, and it makes me reflect on the goodness of man, really.”
(07:25)
Lynn Gilbert on the American Dream:
“I still believe that there is an American dream of peace and prosperity for everyone...”
(10:05)
Jonathan Ball's hope for lawmakers:
“I hope the senators, the congressmen are actually listening like a movie...”
(13:15)
Erica Edmond on the song's meaning:
“...it means so much to what I've seen now.”
(14:50)
Theron Fowler on unity through the anthem:
“It brought us together for something bigger than ourselves.”
(15:35)
Eugene Lisansky on feeling as an American:
“...how I feel as an American right now.”
(17:05)
Consider This from NPR invites listeners to explore more stories from the American Anthem series available at npr.org. Supporters can access sponsor-free episodes and additional content through plus.npr.org.
This summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and personal reflections shared in the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened.