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Consider This from NPR

Episode Date: January 3, 2026
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The episode breaks down the unprecedented U.S. military operation that saw Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife captured and extradited to the U.S., with President Trump declaring that the United States will run Venezuela until an as-yet-unspecified transition. NPR’s Mary Louise Kelly, with national security correspondents Tom Bowman and Greg Myre, unpacks how the operation unfolded, the legal and political fallout, and what comes next for Venezuela and U.S. foreign policy.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Operation “Absolute Resolve”: The Capture of Maduro

• How it Happened
  • President Trump ordered the operation at 11pm; it began at 1am Eastern.
  • U.S. airstrikes took out Venezuelan air defenses, followed by a Delta Force raid on Maduro’s home by helicopter.
  • Maduro and his wife, Celia Flores, were seized with minimal resistance and flown out to the USS Iwo Jima, then extradited to New York.
  • The operation involved 150 aircraft (F-35s, B-1 bombers, drones, surveillance), and no U.S. casualties were reported.
  • [03:07] Tom Bowman:

    “Trump gave the order last night around 11. The operation called Absolute Resolve started around 1am Eastern Time…Delta Force. They went into the house and Maduro tried to flee through the steel door into a safe room…No US casualties and no word yet…on Venezuelan casualties. It was all over in about two and a half hours.”

• Intelligence Gathering
  • Months of surveillance tracked Maduro’s movements. CIA operatives were reportedly on the ground, with support from NSA (for communications) and the National Geospatial Agency (for satellite imagery).
  • [04:35] Tom Bowman:

    “…the CIA was on the ground…General Kaine mounted what's called a pattern of life for some time…NSA was involved…intercepting communications…National Geospatial Agency…satellites…very complete picture of where he was and what he was doing around the clock.”

2. The Legality and Precedent of the Operation

• Questions Raised by Congress
  • Democratic lawmakers immediately questioned the legality of seizing a sovereign leader without congressional authorization, citing constitutional concerns and an “abuse of power.”
  • The Trump administration portrayed the raid as an arrest related to an existing U.S. indictment on drug trafficking, not an act of war.
  • [05:59] Greg Myre:

    “You certainly have a lot of folks saying no, especially Democrats in Congress…Trump's action is an illegal escalation…trampling the Constitution…Trump's team is trying to portray this as a military action which was part of a law enforcement operation.”

• Implications
  • This marks a new precedent: direct military intervention and ouster of a foreign leader for extradition on criminal charges.
  • The line between law enforcement and military action is blurred, raising potential international backlash.

3. U.S. Declaration: “We Are Going to Run the Country”

• Administration’s Stance and Questions about Governance
  • Trump and officials stated the U.S. will run Venezuela for an “indefinite” period until a “safe, proper, and judicious transition.”
  • [02:31] Tom Bowman quoting Trump:

    “We’re going to run the country until such time as we can do a…”
    [02:35] Greg Myre continues:
    “…safe, proper and judicious transition.”

• Uncertainties and Challenges
  • The U.S. lacks current diplomatic infrastructure in Venezuela (embassy closed since 2019), and no U.S. troops are stationed there yet.
  • Major logistical and political hurdles to establishing control and legitimacy.

4. Venezuelan Public and Military Reaction

• Venezuelan Society’s Perspective
  • The country’s economy is collapsed, with public sentiment divided:
    • Some pleased to see Maduro gone after allegedly rigged 2024 elections.
    • Others, loyal to Maduro, depend on state benefits.
  • [08:09] Greg Myre:

    “It’s why it’s so risky and uncertain…certainly a lot of Venezuelans who are probably very happy to see him go. But he had his supporters…”

• Military Reaction
  • No statements from Venezuelan military leaders or vice president so far.
  • Possibility of splintering or guerrilla resistance from pro-Maduro elements.
  • [08:58] Tom Bowman:

    “We haven’t heard from any Venezuelan military leaders…Will they stand down? Could the army splinter? Could you have some sort of guerrilla force within the military working on behalf of Maduro and his supporters?”

  • The security situation is “very tense” and fluid.

5. Economic Stakes: Rebuilding Venezuela’s Oil Sector

• Oil Infrastructure and U.S. Involvement
  • Venezuela’s oil infrastructure is degraded; production has dropped from 3 million to 1 million barrels per day over 25 years.
  • U.S. may deploy troops to protect and rebuild oil facilities—would require a substantial, ongoing presence.
  • [09:48] Greg Myre:

    “It certainly could [help], but it just seems like a long term process. The infrastructure has just degraded over time. It will need huge investments…that doesn’t happen overnight. That is a multi year process.”

  • [10:19] Tom Bowman:

    “Trump said there could be a US Military presence as they rebuild these oil facilities. Well, how many troops will that require? It's going to be a lot more than a small Delta Force unit…”

Notable Quotes

• [02:49] Mary Louise Kelly:

  “Just stunning to hear those words. We are going to run the country.”

• [05:59] Greg Myre:

  “You certainly have a lot of folks saying no, especially Democrats in Congress…The Democrats say Congress needs to authorize war and the use of military force. And we've seen this stream of statements today from Democrats saying things like, Trump's action is an illegal escalation. He's trampling the Constitution. It's an abuse of power.”

• [08:09] Greg Myre:

  “…it doesn't automatically mean that most or all Venezuelans are going to be supporting a new government.”

• [09:48] Greg Myre:

  “The infrastructure has just degraded over time. It will need huge investments…that doesn’t happen overnight.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Seizure and Extraction of Maduro: [03:07] – [04:23]
• U.S. Intelligence & Planning: [04:23] – [05:37]
• Legality and Political Fallout: [05:37] – [06:49]
• US-in-control Statement & Governance Questions: [06:49] – [08:00]
• Venezuelan and Military Reaction: [08:00] – [09:32]
• Economic Stakes & Oil Infrastructure: [09:32] – [10:35]

Memorable Moments

• The shock of an American president declaring direct governance over another country:
  [02:49] Mary Louise Kelly: “Just stunning to hear those words. We are going to run the country.”
• Clear articulation of the unsettled and unpredictable situation on the ground:
  [08:58] Tom Bowman: “We haven’t heard from any Venezuelan military leaders…Will they stand down? Could the army splinter? Could you have some sort of guerrilla force within the military working on behalf of Maduro and his supporters?”

Conclusion

This episode delivers a rapid, incisive breakdown of an extraordinary U.S. operation with potentially massive global ramifications. The NPR team illuminates how military force, international law, domestic politics, and the uncertain future of Venezuela all collide in the wake of the operation—posing urgent questions for American foreign policy and Venezuelan stability.

For further updates, the hosts direct listeners to NPR’s “Sources and Methods” and regular NPR programming.