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It's consider this from NPR in Washington. Reactions to the strikes on Iran are deeply divided. The opinions do not split cleanly on partisan lines, though most of those supporting the strikes are Republicans and most of those against are Democrats. Virginia Senator Mark Warner is a Democrat and ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He posted online after the attacks began that he had, quote, seen no indication there was any immediate threat to Americans from Iran. Senator Warner, thank you so much for your time.

F (4:32)

Thank you, Emily.

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I want to start by playing a new video statement that the president published today.

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We're undertaking this massive operation not merely to ensure security for our own time and place, but for our children and their children, just as our ancestors have done for us many, many years ago. This is the duty and the burden of a free people.

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So the president speaks of this war as duty and burden. What is your reaction to that, Senator?

F (5:05)

Well, first of all, Emily, I am down in Hampton Roads, part of Virginia,

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where

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most of the sailors who are in the conflict area are from. Literally, I had four events today. Half the crowd in every one of these events, new people who are deployed and they have no idea why their sons and daughters are being put in harm's way. You know, the president a week ago said this was about Iran's nuclear activities, which he had claimed had been obliterated seven months ago. He then switched to saying this is about Iran's ballistic missile capacity. And now in the last 36 hours, he says it's about regime change. Why are these sons and daughters now casualties, some of them in harm's way? What is the essential criteria for America being in this war? I can tell you as somebody who is part of the Gang of Eight, there is and was no imminent immediate threat from Iran against America. So why take this action now is the question I'm getting from the parents and friends of sailors deployed. And I don't have any answer for them.

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President Trump said in this statement, quote, sadly, there will likely be more referring to US Casualties. What do you make of that?

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Well, I make up for the fact that this is a war of choice chosen by Donald Trump in the Middle east, where our record has not been great, again, there was no intelligence that showed an immediate imminent threat. That should be normally the criteria, as a matter of fact, but let me just. Matter of fact, if the president had chosen to take action back in January, when the Iranian people were on the streets in record numbers, he would have more of a case. But he couldn't do it then because the aircraft carrier that was needed was off the coast of Venezuela. And our allies that would be normally supportive were concerned rightfully about Trump's plans on Greenland.

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The moment is. It's incredibly fraught.

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Moment is fraught. But remember, the President has also recently said to call for the Iranian people to rise up.

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Yes. What?

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The Iranian people, If the Iranian people rise up right now, and the Iranian

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regime, if they were to rise up, if the Iranian people were to rise up, would that change your assessment of the situation?

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Well, listen, I am glad and shed no tears about the Iranian leadership being destroyed. I mean, this is an awful, awful regime. But if the President is now saying to the Iranian people rise up, does the American. Do we then have an obligation? If the Iranian military brutally murders them after our president called for them to rise up, what obligation do we have? In many ways, this timetable of this strike now was because he made similar comments in January and was not able to execute because of his other military forays. So I think it's incumbent upon the president to make the case to the American people, to make the case to Congress to seek a level of declaration of war. This is not something where the President had to respond to, again, the notion of an imminent threat. This is the president having a war of his choice, and he needs to get the assent of Congress and the American people.

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The options that Congress has. Your fellow Virginia Senator Tim Kaine is one of those pushing a War Powers Resolution. The Constitution gives the Congress power to declare war, which it hasn't given for any of Trump's use of force. Those efforts have not yet passed and not all Democrats are publicly on board. Are there any indications this time could be different?

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Listen, I would support Tim Kaine's effort. I think it is important that we should not cede all power to this president to arbitrarily make decisions about where we deploy forces. Again, I just wish the media, wish the president's supporters would listen to the families of the sailors and soldiers deployed

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who you met today in here, who I met today, who are very concerned

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and are saying, yeah, you know, I hear that when is my. When is my son or daughter coming back Many of these sailors have been deployed now for well beyond their normal six months. What is the plan? And are we about to engage ourselves in a in an endless war that may not only cost American lives, but American treasure when we have many of our munitions are actually at a relatively low level at this point.

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Senator Warner, with the 30 seconds we have left as a member of the Gang of Eight, who's a bipartisan group that's privileged to information based on the intelligence you have, how does this now play out?

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I wish I knew. I do know this. There is no, there was no imminent threat to America. So if the president chose to go to war, he owes the American people in the Congress or what his goals are. And those goals have. There's at least three different goals he's laid out literally in the last five days.

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Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, thank you so much.

F (10:32)

Thank you.

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This episode was produced by Henry Larson. It was edited by Patrick Jaron Watananan and Sarah Robbins. Our executive producer is Sami Yenig.

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It's consider this from npr. I'm Emily Kwong.

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