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Episode: What Jeffrey Epstein's bank knew
Date: September 9, 2025
Host: Ari Shapiro (NPR)
Guest: Matt Goldstein (New York Times Business Reporter)
Episode Length: ~9 minutes

Overview

This episode investigates revelations concerning the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein—infamous financier and convicted sex offender—and JPMorgan Chase, one of America’s largest banks. Drawing from a recent New York Times investigation, host Ari Shapiro and reporter Matt Goldstein dissect how the bank continued doing business with Epstein despite years of suspicious activity and internal warnings. The conversation explores what the bank may have known, why internal controls failed, and what this case reveals about special treatment for the ultra-wealthy by major financial institutions.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein’s Inner Circle and Celebrity Connections (00:00 - 02:02)

• The episode opens with a focus on Epstein's 50th birthday book, crammed with notes and jokes from prominent figures—including a purported entry from Donald Trump, which the former president denies ever writing.
  • "Somebody could have written a letter and used my name, but that's happened a lot." — Donald Trump (00:31)
• Journalist Vicki Ward contextualizes Epstein’s social environment, noting the presence of powerful individuals alongside underage girls.
  • "He was at the same time surrounded by beautiful women, many of whom were underage minors, almost in plain sight." — Vicki Ward (01:35)

2. The Bank Relationship: Scale and Scope (02:02 - 03:34)

• Epstein’s accounts with JP Morgan Chase were significant for both his personal wealth (peaking at ~$300 million) and for his ability to connect the bank with other high-profile clients and business opportunities.
  • "His stock in trade was connecting people… clearly he was very important in making introductions to some people at the bank." — Matt Goldstein (02:59)
• Goldstein lists some of Epstein’s connections, including Leslie Wexner (Victoria’s Secret), Sergey Brin (Google), Bill Gates (prospective client), Leon Black, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Ehud Barak.

3. Warning Signs & Inaction Inside the Bank (03:34 - 05:59)

• Early on, large and unusual cash transactions (sometimes over $1 million at a time) began raising internal suspicions. These transactions were going to women and people in Epstein’s circle—patterns the bank recognized as red flags.
  • "They’re already seeing a lot of big cash transactions being pulled out… this was money that was going… largely to make payments to women and people in his social circle." — Matt Goldstein (04:28)
• Initial attempts at pushback were stymied by Epstein’s status as a “favored and important customer,” particularly due to support from senior executive Jess Staley.
  • "He [Staley] basically vouches for Epstein… people sort of defer, also, according to his rank in the bank." — Matt Goldstein (05:13)
• Concerns raised by compliance and anti-money laundering staff did not lead to meaningful action, due to institutional inertia and the weight of Staley's endorsement.

4. Retrospective Accountability and Institutional Failure (06:10 - 08:01)

• In 2019, following Epstein’s arrest, the bank retroactively flagged 4,700 transactions linked to Epstein, totaling over $1 billion, as suspicious—demonstrating that much could have been done sooner.
  • "It's sort of an institutional fail. There are people along the way on at least four different occasions who raise the point there's a big reputational risk about us keeping him here..." — Matt Goldstein (06:30)
• JP Morgan’s official response has been to apologize for the relationship, express regret, and place blame primarily on Jess Staley.
  • "They've stuck largely to the same party line… they put too much faith in Staley, and if it wasn't for Staley, they would have exited him earlier." — Matt Goldstein (07:25)

5. Broader Lessons: Privilege of the Wealthy in Banking (08:01 - 08:57)

• The episode concludes by reflecting on the deep-seated deference that the ultra-wealthy receive from major banks, warning that close personal or business relationships can create blind spots even when warning signs are evident.
  • "At some point someone should say, you know, we gotta pull the trigger here. You know, even if we are not totally convinced he's doing something wrong, it just doesn't smell right." — Matt Goldstein (08:12)

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Donald Trump denying the signature in Epstein's book:
  "Somebody could have written a letter and used my name, but that's happened a lot." — Donald Trump (00:31)
• On the normalization of suspicious behavior:
  "He was at the same time surrounded by beautiful women, many of whom were underage minors, almost in plain sight." — Vicki Ward (01:35)
• Matt Goldstein’s core insight on institutional failure:
  "It's sort of an institutional fail. There are people along the way on at least four different occasions who raise the point..." — Matt Goldstein (06:30)
• Goldstein summarizes the lesson for banking culture:
  "You have to be a little bit more dispassionate, particularly in terms of finance… banks jobs is to look for things like sex trafficking, to look for things like money laundering." — Matt Goldstein (08:12)

Key Timestamps

• 00:00–02:02: Epstein's birthday book, celebrity connections, and questions about who knew what
• 02:02–03:34: JP Morgan’s relationship with Epstein, his value as a client
• 03:34–05:59: Early internal warnings, large cash transfers, and the role of Jess Staley
• 06:10–08:01: 2019 retrospective reports, bank responses, and institutional failure
• 08:01–08:57: Lessons about special treatment for wealthy clients and system flaws

Tone & Style

The conversation is incisive, journalistic, and sober—reflecting on hard truths about financial complacency, institutional failures, and the privileges accorded to the ultra-wealthy, without sensationalizing the sensitive topic.

For listeners interested in accountability, financial regulation, and the intersection of wealth and justice, this episode offers a compact but powerful case study.