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Episode: "What should the future of federal immigration enforcement look like?"

Date: February 15, 2026
Host: Emily Kwong (NPR)
Featured Guest: Janet Napolitano, former DHS Secretary

Episode Overview

This episode explores the future of federal immigration enforcement in the US, focusing on the recent high-profile operations in Minneapolis and wider national debates. With the Department of Homeland Security in a partial shutdown and congressional deadlock over immigration reforms, host Emily Kwong examines how immigration enforcement should evolve, featuring perspectives from policymakers and former DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. DHS Shutdown and Ongoing Enforcement

• [00:00] The episode opens with context: The Department of Homeland Security is in a shutdown, threatening airport operations, disaster response, and cybersecurity.
  • Despite the shutdown being triggered by a congressional impasse over immigration policies, immigration enforcement continues.
  • Quote:
    • “What won’t stop are immigration enforcement operations, even though the shutdown happened because of a congressional deadlock over the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.” (Emily Kwong, 00:13)
• [00:31] Senator Rand Paul calls for ICE and Border Patrol to acknowledge mistakes and reform.
• [00:49] ICE has faced backlash after immigration agents killed two U.S. citizens in Minneapolis.

2. Political Deadlock and Policy Proposals

• [01:04] Democrats are withholding funding for ICE unless reforms are implemented, such as body cameras and judicial warrants for raids; Republicans push back against sweeping changes.
• [01:21] Border Czar Tom Homan (“Border Czar” under President Trump) recently announced the conclusion of the immigration surge operation in Minneapolis, declaring it a success.

3. A Critical View on the Minneapolis Operation

• [03:17] Janet Napolitano, former DHS Secretary, is interviewed to analyze the federal operation in Minneapolis.
  • She disagrees that it was successful:
    • “No. I think it was an unfortunate example of overreach, actually, I’m sorry to say...the size of the operation, the abuses that we saw on lots of videos, this was not a model law enforcement operation.” (Janet Napolitano, 03:44)
• [04:20] Napolitano identifies factors that went wrong:
  • White House demands for 3,000 arrests/day
  • Rhetoric from leadership that “demonized an entire community”
  • Failure to deescalate protest situations
  • Lack of professionalism and judgment
  • “They de-emphasized what professional law enforcement...should do and how they should act.” (Napolitano, 04:31)

4. Preferred Alternatives and Lessons Learned

• [05:10] Napolitano suggests a more proportionate and coordinated approach:
  • Criticizes sending in 3,000 federal agents to a city with only 600 police officers and limited geographic size.
  • Stresses need for coordination with local law enforcement, warning of lasting damage to interagency relations.

5. Comparing Past and Present Enforcement Approaches

• [05:42] Kwong asks about the Obama-era’s record of over 3 million deportations.
• [06:01] Napolitano defends the Obama administration’s focus:
  • Prioritized deporting those with criminal records, direct threats to public safety, and recent border crossers, not long-settled immigrants.
  • Differentiates between the priority-driven strategy under Obama and the broader, less discriminating approach in recent operations.
  • “We focused on those with criminal convictions, those who were known threats to public safety…that comprised the vast majority of our numbers. Not everybody, but the focus was on those priorities.” (Napolitano, 06:08)
  • Emphasizes past training on constitutional rights, de-escalation, and civil rights, which she claims has been de-emphasized in current ICE training.

6. Should ICE or DHS Be Abolished?

• [07:10] Napolitano responds to progressive calls for dismantling ICE or DHS:
  • Disagrees with abolition, arguing immigration enforcement is vital for national sovereignty but requires “judgment, discretion, and professionalism.”
  • Critiques recent failures to meet those standards.

7. Concerns Over the DHS Shutdown

• [07:55] Discusses the impacts of the DHS shutdown:
  • ICE and CBP (Border Patrol) will continue operations due to secure funding, but over 90% of DHS staff must keep working without pay.
  • Sharp concern for employee morale, particularly for lower-paid workers such as TSA agents who “live paycheck to paycheck.”
  • “When they start missing paychecks, that’s real harm to the employees of the department and it’s terrible for morale as well.” (Napolitano, 08:39)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Operation Overreach:
  “The way they conducted this operation, the influx of Border Patrol into ICE and their different operational tempo…this was not a model law enforcement operation.”
  — Janet Napolitano, [03:44]

• On Priorities in Enforcement:
  “We focused on those with criminal convictions, those who were known threats to public safety...that comprised the vast majority of our numbers.”
  — Janet Napolitano, [06:08]

• On Dismantling ICE:
  “It’s important for a number of reasons...but because it’s tough, because people are divided, and because all immigrants in this country who are illegal are not the same. It requires judgment, discretion, and professionalism. And unfortunately, we have not seen that recently.”
  — Janet Napolitano, [07:24]

• On Impact of DHS Shutdown:
  “The average TSA worker lives paycheck to paycheck. They don’t get paid a lot. So when they start missing paychecks, that’s real harm… and it’s terrible for morale as well.”
  — Janet Napolitano, [08:39]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–01:21| Context — DHS shutdown and continuing enforcement, congressional deadlock| | 01:21–01:45| Announcement: end of Minneapolis surge operation (Border Czar Tom Homan) | | 03:17–05:42| Interview with Janet Napolitano: critique of Minneapolis operation | | 05:42–07:10| Comparing enforcement under Obama vs recent operations | | 07:10–07:55| Reaction to calls to dismantle ICE or DHS | | 07:55–08:45| Impacts of DHS shutdown on workforce and morale |

Conclusion

This episode offers a candid, insider’s take on the complex challenges of immigration enforcement in the US. Janet Napolitano stresses the necessity of professionalism, targeted priorities, and respect for civil rights, while acknowledging failures in recent enforcement policies. The ongoing shutdown of the DHS underscores not only political divides but also the human and practical impact on federal workers and law enforcement effectiveness going forward.