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Ailsa Chang
This year, some high profile incidents in the US have shaken public confidence in air travel.
Joe Hernandez
We are coming on the air with breaking news out of Washington, D.C. where.
Ailsa Chang
A commercial airliner in January, an American Airlines regional jet collided with an army helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington national Airport. All 67 people aboard both aircraft were killed, making it the deadliest US air crash in more than 20 years. And this spring, Newark Liberty International Airport experienced a series of radar outages in the span of just a few weeks.
Joe Hernandez
43 I I am going to move you here because I just got told that the approach lost all the radars. Three of the four radar screens went black and they had no frequencies.
Ailsa Chang
That's audio from April 28th, when air traffic controllers experienced a 90 second system blackout at Newark. They lost radar and the ability to communicate with aircraft. The outage resulted in hundreds of flight delays and cancellations at one of America's biggest, busiest airports. The Trump administration has vowed to rebuild the system. And earlier this week, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy testified on Capitol Hill, where he thanked Congress for recently approving $12.5 billion to modernize the air traffic control system.
Joe Hernandez
Our goal is to make air travel not just safer, but also more efficient. State of the art, gold plated, best in the world.
Ailsa Chang
Almost all of that money is slated to replace aging equipment and infrastructure. But some US Air traffic controllers say there's a much deeper problem, nationwide staffing shortages. Consider this, the federal government is pushing to overhaul the nation's air traffic control system. But will it fix employee morale? From npr, I'm Ilsa Cheng.
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It's consider this from NPR. Congress has approved more than $12 billion to modernize air traffic control infrastructure. It's all part of the Trump administration's plan to overhau. But several current and former air traffic controllers say these measures are not enough. NPR's Joe Hernandez and Joel Rose have been reporting on all of this and join us now. Hey to both of you.
Joe Hernandez
Hey there.
Chris Dickinson
Hey, Elsa.
Ailsa Chang
Hey. Okay, so Joe, let's start with you. Who did you talk to for this story?
Joe Hernandez
Right. So we spoke to five current and former US Air traffic controllers who either currently work for the Federal Aviation Administration or used to. Four of them requested anonymity to speak with us because they're worried about retaliation from the faa. So you won't be hearing their voices, but we wanted to get a sense from controllers themselves about what it's like to be doing these jobs right now.
Ailsa Chang
Totally. Okay. So what were the concerns of these air traffic controllers?
Joe Hernandez
Well, morale is just very low at this point and the union has acknowledged this, too. And that's because of the staffing shortages at the faa. Many controllers end up working mandatory overtime. That includes six day work weeks. The Traffic Controllers association, which is their Union, says over 40% of certified controllers are working 10 hour days, six days a week. Many also work weekends and overnight shifts. And on top of that, they say it can be hard to take time off because of these staffing shortages. They they have to request time off sometimes a year in advance.
Sami Yenigun
What a year?
Ailsa Chang
Sometimes you don't even know that far ahead if you want time off.
Joe Hernandez
Exactly. They don't know that far ahead. And then when things come up, it could be harder to get leave on shorter notice. So they end up resorting to sick leave, just get days off. One controller we talked to who works at a facility in the Midwest that handles high altitude traffic, said they were initially hopeful about all this renewed attention on air traffic control from the public and lawmakers, but they were disappointed that the plan to fix everything seemed to focus on equipment upgrades and longer term hiring goals over these quality of life concerns. That controller said, quote, the morale just really plummets at that point. And they said there was nothing there to actually help current controllers in the short or the midterm. And, and quote, honestly, it's more demoralizing than if they weren't talking about us at all.
Ailsa Chang
Wow. Okay. Well, Joel Rose, let's turn to you now. How did the working conditions even get to this point for air traffic controllers?
Chris Dickinson
Well, the FAA has been struggling to hire enough controllers to keep pace with retirements. That was exacerbated also by the COVID 19 pandemic, which halted in person training at the FAA's academy in Oklahoma. Currently, the FAA has fewer than 11,000 certified controllers, the more than 3,000 short of its nationwide targets. All of this was pretty well known inside the aviation industry, but it really broke through with the public this year, first with the midair collision between an American Airlines regional jet and an army helicopter near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport back in January, which definitely focused attention on the staffing shortage there. And then we saw some high profile equipment problems in the facility that handles traffic around the airport in Newark, New Jersey, just outside of New York. There were several serious radar and telecommunications outages there that led to major flight delays and cancellations at what is one of the nation's busiest airports.
Ailsa Chang
And what's the Trump administration doing about all of this?
Chris Dickinson
So Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy has made rebuilding the national air traffic control system a priority in his first months on the job. The Trump administration is vowing to modernize the air traffic equipment and facilities across the country. This month, Congress, as we heard, approved $12.5 billion for that purpose in the budget reconciliation law, though Sean Duffy said today that is only a down payment and ultimately it will take about 3, $31 billion in total to do this job. Duffy has also promised to supercharge the hiring of new controllers. In a statement to npr, the FAA says it's pushing to recruit more young people with bonuses for new hires, also shortening the hiring process by months and expanding the number of training slots that are available at the academy in Oklahoma City. And the FAA is also adding incentives to keep controllers who are closer to retirement on the job for longer.
Ailsa Chang
Okay, all of this sounds good, but Joe Hernandez wants to what do the air traffic controllers that you talk to say about the Trump administration's modernization plan?
Joe Hernandez
Well, everybody seems to agree that much of this technology is, in fact, very old. Some controllers say it's about time that it is getting replaced, and some others say it's doing the job that it needs to do. But the bigger issue, I think is where the administration's priorities are. These controllers say the FAA really needs to focus on addressing some of these quality of life concerns they have. And one way, perhaps the main way to do that is that given these entrenched staffing issues that could take years to fix is pay raises. The pay scales for controllers haven't been renegotiated in nine years, but that's not really being discussed right now.
Chris Dickinson
And I talked to the head of the union about that, the union that represents air traffic controllers, Nick Daniels, who's the president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. Daniels said he hears these complaints from controllers, too, but he says there is a reason that the union is not talking publicly about pay raises. Daniel says the union stands to lose more than it would gain from trying to negotiate a new contract right now with the Trump administration, which has been, as we know, slashing the federal workforce since it came to power.
Nick Daniels
You can't be shortsighted when you're talking.
Joe Hernandez
About 15,000 people's lives and just screaming pay to scream. Pay is short sighted.
Chris Dickinson
Daniel says the union is looking for areas where it can find agreement with the Trump administration, and that includes this modernized equipment and infrastructure push.
Ailsa Chang
Okay, but what are they going to do about the problem of burnout?
Joe Hernandez
I mean, it's a good question. Burnout is real for so many of these controllers. And we talked to one who was so burnt out that he left the faa. His name is Chris Dickinson, and he found a job doing the same thing in Australia a few months ago. And he says he met some controllers on a family trip to Australia a few years back and told them he'd never had weekends off.
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They were just completely blown away at the fact that anyone could go more than six months without having weekends off, let alone 12 and a half years at that point. And it really made me kind of look back and go, what is it that I'm willing to accept in my short amount of time on this earth?
Joe Hernandez
Dickinson says air traffic control is a wonderful career, but for his friends and former coworkers back in the US at the faa, it's really just not right now because of these staffing issues and low morale.
Ailsa Chang
Yeah, that is NPR's Joe Hernandez and Joel Rose. Thank you to both of you.
Chris Dickinson
You're welcome.
Joe Hernandez
Thanks.
Ailsa Chang
This episode was produced by Katherine Fink and Alejandra Marquez Hanse with audio engineering by Ted Mebane. It was edited by Russell Lewis and Jeanette Woods. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun. It's Consider this from npr. I'm Ailsa Chang at Planet Money.
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Release Date: July 17, 2025
Hosts: Ailsa Chang, Joe Hernandez, Joel Rose
Producer: Katherine Fink and Alejandra Marquez Hanse
Executive Producer: Sami Yenigun
In this episode of NPR's Consider This, host Ailsa Chang and reporters Joe Hernandez and Joel Rose delve into the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) ambitious $12.5 billion plan to modernize the United States' air traffic control system. Amid recent high-profile air traffic incidents and ongoing staffing shortages, the episode explores whether this substantial investment will address not only technological deficiencies but also the critical issue of employee morale among air traffic controllers.
The episode opens with a recount of two significant air traffic incidents that have severely impacted public confidence in U.S. air travel:
January Collision Near Washington National Airport:
A tragic midair collision between an American Airlines regional jet and an Army helicopter resulted in the deaths of all 67 people aboard both aircraft. This incident is noted as the deadliest U.S. air crash in over two decades (00:00-00:09).
April Radar Outages at Newark Liberty International Airport:
On April 28th, air traffic controllers experienced a 90-second system blackout at Newark Airport, leading to the loss of radar capabilities and communication with aircraft. This outage caused hundreds of flight delays and cancellations, highlighting vulnerabilities in the current infrastructure (00:34-00:43).
These incidents have catalyzed the Trump administration's push to overhaul the air traffic control system, culminating in the recent congressional approval of $12.5 billion for modernization efforts.
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy outlined the administration's commitment to rebuilding the national air traffic control system:
Investment Allocation:
The majority of the $12.5 billion is designated for replacing outdated equipment and upgrading infrastructure to state-of-the-art standards (01:25-01:54).
Long-Term Financial Commitment:
Secretary Duffy emphasized that the initial $12.5 billion is only a "down payment," with total projected costs reaching approximately $31 billion (06:32).
Recruitment and Retention Efforts:
The FAA plans to incentivize new hires through bonuses, expedite the hiring process, and increase training slots. Additionally, measures are being introduced to retain controllers nearing retirement by offering extended employment incentives (06:32-07:20).
Secretary Duffy stated at [01:17], “Our goal is to make air travel not just safer, but also more efficient. State of the art, gold plated, best in the world.”
Despite the substantial financial commitment, current and former air traffic controllers express skepticism about the plan's ability to address core issues affecting their work environment:
Low Morale and High Stress:
Controllers report extremely low morale, primarily due to nationwide staffing shortages. Over 40% of certified controllers are working 10-hour days, six days a week, often including weekends and overnight shifts (04:05-04:38).
Difficulties in Taking Time Off:
The staffing shortages make it challenging for controllers to request time off, sometimes needing to plan vacations a year in advance or resorting to using sick leave for unexpected days off (04:38-04:43).
One controller from the Midwest expressed disappointment with the administration's focus, stating at [04:38], “the morale just really plummets at that point. And they said there was nothing there to actually help current controllers in the short or the midterm. And, honestly, it's more demoralizing than if they weren't talking about us at all.”
Nick Daniels, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, provides insight into the union's strategic approach:
Focus on Infrastructure Over Pay Raises:
Daniels acknowledges the controllers' grievances but explains that the union is not currently negotiating for pay raises. He argues that demanding higher pay would be shortsighted given the broader challenges, including a shrinking federal workforce (08:31-08:32).
Seeking Common Ground:
The union is prioritizing areas where it can collaborate with the administration, such as supporting the modernization of equipment and infrastructure, rather than pressing for immediate financial compensation (08:46).
Daniels emphasized at [08:31], “You can't be shortsighted when you're talking about 15,000 people's lives and just screaming pay to scream.”
The episode highlights the severe burnout among air traffic controllers, exacerbated by excessive workloads and inadequate support:
Personal Stories of Exhaustion:
Chris Dickinson, a former FAA controller who now works in Australia, shares his experience of extreme fatigue. He recounted meeting Australian controllers who routinely had weekends off, in stark contrast to his own experience of over a decade without regular breaks (08:49-09:25).
Dickinson remarked, “What is it that I'm willing to accept in my short amount of time on this earth?” reflecting the profound personal toll of the job under current conditions.
Impact on Retention:
Burnout is leading to attrition, with experienced controllers leaving the FAA for less stressful positions abroad. This loss of seasoned professionals further strains the already understaffed system (09:08-09:36).
While the modernization plan addresses critical technological deficits, the episode underscores the need for parallel efforts to improve working conditions:
Immediate Support Measures:
Controllers and their advocates argue that without addressing burnout and providing better work-life balance, the FAA will continue to struggle with morale and retention, undermining the effectiveness of technological upgrades (07:28-07:20).
Long-Term Strategic Planning:
Ensuring sustainable staffing levels, offering competitive compensation, and fostering a supportive work environment are essential for the success of the FAA's initiatives (07:28-08:04).
NPR's Consider This episode effectively highlights the multifaceted challenges facing the U.S. air traffic control system. While the $12.5 billion modernization effort represents a significant investment in infrastructure, addressing employee morale and staffing shortages remains critical. Without concurrent efforts to enhance working conditions and support for air traffic controllers, the FAA's ambitious plans may fall short of ensuring both safety and efficiency in America's skies.
Notable Quotes:
Sean Duffy, Transportation Secretary ([01:17]):
“Our goal is to make air travel not just safer, but also more efficient. State of the art, gold plated, best in the world.”
Anonymous Controller ([04:38]):
“The morale just really plummets at that point. And there was nothing there to actually help current controllers in the short or the midterm. And honestly, it's more demoralizing than if they weren't talking about us at all.”
Nick Daniels, Union President ([08:31]):
“You can't be shortsighted when you're talking about 15,000 people's lives and just screaming pay to scream.”
Chris Dickinson, Former FAA Controller ([09:08]):
“What is it that I'm willing to accept in my short amount of time on this earth?”
This summary captures the essential discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who have not listened to the full podcast.