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Derek Barris
Foreign. I have to decide which of the dozen seemingly impossible things the Trump administration is doing to consider. The news cycle is relentless and feels overwhelming. This is intentional. The sheer volume is designed to disarm and instill a sense of powerlessness, and that's one thing none of us can afford right now. What to pay attention to then. I try to monitor as much as I can, to at least keep myself informed of what's possibly coming down the pipe. The amount of legal, questionably legal, and blatantly illegal maneuvers are not designed to implement everything. But it's very much meant to move the goalposts as far as possible. So what's questionably legal passes by without much friction, and maybe they'll even slip by a few illegal things as well. The possible becomes probable. We just have to ensure that nothing ever feels inevitable. And I know, I know it's not like I'm not feeling that way. What scares me, though, is the number of friends I have who just don't want to hear about any of it. They want to tune out at the moment when we all really need to be tuned in. And I understand that impulse. This shit has been going on for years and years, and it seems to be never ending. That, too, is part of the design. How much of it anyone can take is part of what I want to meditate on today. Or at least how we handle ourselves with the unique worldview that we each hold during this time. And most importantly, how do we fight back? Derek I'm Derek Barris, and you're listening to a Conspirituality Bonus episode. If you're hearing this on the main feed and you're not subscribed to our Patreon and you have the means to do so, we'd really love your support. I'm going to meditate on the ideas I just expressed by sharing a few excerpts from a recent conversation between New York Times columnist Ezra Klein and his guest, James Pogue. Pogue is an essayist and journalist, as well as contributing editor to Harper's Magazine. I've read his pieces on militia groups in the past, and his book Chosen Country, Rebellion in the west, which is about militia groups, has been on my list for a while. I've always been fascinated by fringe groups of all sorts, but since moving to Oregon, where a number of them are based, I've become more personally invested in understanding them. What I want to pull from this conversation is a bit different. Pogue was assigned to cover JD Vance back in 2021 for the American Conservative, where he wrote a rather critical piece of Vance and to which Vance replied that he wanted to stay in touch with Pogue. So the following year he covered Vance, Curtis Yarvin and Blake Masters for Vanity Fair. Julian and I have covered Curtis Yarvin quite a bit and without getting too deep into it, he is I'm going to put Philosopher in quotes here. He has been very influential on the modern right wing movement and I'll link to both of the articles in Show Notes. I really recommend reading them. Let me share two tidbits from the Vanity Fair article. And keep in mind this was written in 2022 with some of the reporting done the previous year. Quote the way conservatives can actually win in America, Yarvin has argued, is for a Caesar like figure to take power back from this devolved oligarchy and replace it with a monarch regime run like a startup. As early as 2012, he proposed the acronym RAGE Retire All Government Employees as a shorthand for a first step in the overthrow of the American regime. Sound kind of familiar with what's going on right now? All right, here's another one. Quote I think Trump is going to run again in 2024, Vance said. I think that what Trump should do if I was giving him one piece of advice Fire every single mid level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state. Replace them with our people and when the courts stop you, Vance went on stand before the country and say Vance quoted Andrew Jackson giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order. The Chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it. This is a description essentially of a coup. That was Pogue. Now what I found interesting and instructive from Pogue's conversation with Ezra Klein is his explanation of the competing frameworks for reality between left and right in America and how the media ecosystems we use have played a role in first leveling the playing field and then tipping the scale in a rightward direction. Their talk made me think about my own biases, but also about my framework for understanding reality, my own worldview. That's what I took away from their discussion. No one has a monopoly on reality. I might, and I do disagree with other worldviews, but mine isn't right by default. In fact, no one has that right, which makes everything happening at this moment a fight. As Pogue points out, people left of center, from liberals to leftists, haven't always understood the game that's being played. I think it's about time we do, because I don't think we have a choice anymore. You've been listening to a conspirituality Bonus Episode Sample to continue listening, please head over to patreon.com conspirituality where you can access all of our main feed episodes ad free, as well as four years of bonus content that we've been producing. You can also subscribe to our bonus episodes via Apple subscriptions. As independent media creators, we really appreciate your support.
Conspirituality Podcast: Bonus Sample Episode - "What We're Facing"
Release Date: February 10, 2025
In the bonus sample episode titled "What We're Facing," host Derek Barris delves into the complexities of the current political and social landscape, particularly focusing on the interplay between conspiracy theories, political movements, and the overwhelming nature of the news cycle. This episode serves as a contemplative piece, setting the stage for deeper discussions on how conspiratorial thinking infiltrates the realms of spirituality and wellness.
Derek Barris opens the discussion by addressing the relentless and often overwhelming nature of today's news cycle. He remarks on the intentional design behind the sheer volume of information, suggesting it aims to "disarm and instill a sense of powerlessness" among the public (00:00).
"The news cycle is relentless and feels overwhelming. This is intentional. The sheer volume is designed to disarm and instill a sense of powerlessness."
— Derek Barris [00:00]
Barris emphasizes the difficulty in discerning which issues to prioritize amidst this barrage, highlighting the importance of staying informed to counteract the perpetuation of harmful political maneuvers. He expresses concern over the normalization of "questionably legal" and "blatantly illegal" actions within the political arena, noting how these actions shift the goalposts and make the "possible becomes probable."
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Barris's personal reflections on the societal divide exacerbated by current events. He shares his anxiety over friends who choose to "tune out" during critical times when heightened awareness is necessary.
"What scares me, though, is the number of friends I have who just don't want to hear about any of it. They want to tune out at the moment when we all really need to be tuned in."
— Derek Barris [00:00]
This sentiment underscores the broader theme of isolation and fragmentation within communities, as individuals retreat from engaging with pressing societal issues.
Barris transitions to discussing insights from a conversation between Ezra Klein, a New York Times columnist, and James Pogue, an essayist and journalist. He references Pogue's critical work on militia groups and his book Chosen Country: Rebellion in the West, which explores the dynamics of such groups.
Highlighting excerpts from Pogue's conversation with Klein, Barris brings attention to the emerging frameworks that shape reality perceptions across the political spectrum in America. He shares Pogue's critique of political figures like JD Vance and Curtis Yarvin, drawing attention to their provocative ideas that flirt with authoritarianism.
Notable Quotes from Vanity Fair Article Covered by Pogue:
Curtis Yarvin's Vision for Conservatism:
"The way conservatives can actually win in America... is for a Caesar-like figure to take power back from this devolved oligarchy and replace it with a monarch regime run like a startup."
— Curtis Yarvin (as quoted by James Pogue) [Timestamp Unspecified]
Yarvin's proposition reflects a radical shift towards authoritarian governance, presenting a stark contrast to democratic ideals.
JD Vance on Administrative Overhaul:
"Fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state. Replace them with our people... say Andrew Jackson giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order."
— JD Vance (as quoted by James Pogue) [Timestamp Unspecified]
Vance's statements epitomize a coup-like mentality, advocating for the dismantling of established governmental structures.
Barris delves into Pogue's analysis of the "competing frameworks for reality" that divide the American left and right. He reflects on the role of media ecosystems in shaping these perceptions, noting how platforms initially leveled the playing field but have since skewed towards rightward ideologies.
"No one has a monopoly on reality. I might, and I do disagree with other worldviews, but mine isn't right by default."
— James Pogue (as interpreted by Derek Barris)
This acknowledgment of subjective realities underscores the pervasive nature of disinformation and the challenges in fostering unified discourse.
Barris shares his introspection on personal biases and the necessity of understanding diverse worldviews to navigate the current turbulence. He concurs with Pogue's assertion that the left has historically underestimated the strategic "game" being played, stressing that awareness and proactive engagement are no longer optional but essential.
"I think it's about time we do, because I don't think we have a choice anymore."
— Derek Barris [Timestamp Unspecified]
The episode concludes with Barris reinforcing the podcast's mission to dissect and understand the intertwining of conspiracy theories with spiritual and wellness movements. He encourages listeners to support the show through Patreon and other platforms to continue accessing in-depth analyses and exclusive content.
Overwhelming Information: The incessant news cycle is a strategic tool to induce helplessness and prevent effective action.
Political Maneuvers: There is a concerning trend of pushing legal and illegal actions to shift political goals incrementally.
Social Fragmentation: Society is increasingly divided, with many choosing to disengage from critical discussions during pivotal moments.
Radical Political Ideas: Figures like Curtis Yarvin and JD Vance advocate for authoritarian shifts, threatening democratic norms.
Competing Realities: Divergent media narratives contribute to fragmented perceptions of reality, complicating unified responses.
Personal Responsibility: Acknowledging and addressing personal biases is crucial in the fight against widespread disinformation and authoritarianism.
"What We're Facing" serves as a sobering reminder of the intricate web of conspiracy theories, political extremism, and societal fragmentation. Through thoughtful analysis and reflection, Derek Barris invites listeners to critically assess their understanding of reality and actively engage in shaping a more informed and cohesive society.
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