Conspirituality: Brief - Antifascist Christianity: Bonhoeffer (Pt 1)
Podcast Hosts: Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker
Date: August 30, 2025
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Episode Overview
In this episode, Matthew Remski launches a multipart exploration of antifascist Christianity through the story of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Focusing on how Bonhoeffer’s theological journey and exposure to Black liberation theology in Harlem transformed him from a privileged, nationalistic German theologian into a powerful voice of antifascist resistance, Remski connects these themes to present-day struggles within religion, spirituality, and activism. This episode also contextualizes antifascist Christianity in the broader history of religious resistance to authoritarianism, addressing the ongoing legacy of faith in social justice.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Why Antifascist Christianity? (00:48 – 04:00)
- Matthew Remski sets the stage: though Christianity isn’t the podcast’s usual focus, he sees value in examining “good religion” as a counter to “bad religion.”
- Quote: “A key antidote to bad religion is good religion, or at least better religion.” (01:37)
- Outlines how the spiritual impulse has long played a role in resistance – citing examples from Simone Weil to Martin Luther King, Jr., and contemporary activist Zoran Mamdani.
- Mamdani’s Quote:
- (02:29) “There is no room for hatred in this city. There is no room for hatred in this country. There is no room for antisemitism, for Islamophobia, for bigotry of any kind, and we have to root it out in our city... What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?”
2. Faith, Activism, and the Religious Left (03:20 – 07:55)
- Discussion of how religious socialism is reclaiming its place on the left, refusing to “cede the ground of faith to the religious right.”
- (04:00) “There is a long tradition of religious socialism in the United States that has been ignored or forgotten... We see ourselves as a bridge group. Our work is with and within faith communities as allies and coalition partners.”
- Cites activism around sanctuary movements, labor, reproductive justice, and LGBTQ advocacy.
3. Introducing Dietrich Bonhoeffer (07:55 – 13:27)
- Bonhoeffer’s early life: an aristocratic, privileged background, prodigious academic career (doctoral dissertations at 21 and 23), and the profound impact of trauma from his brother’s death in WWI.
- “Death stood at the door of almost every house and called for entrance,” Bonhoeffer later writes. (12:25)
- Early theological orientation: loyal to German nationalism, theology mired in abstraction, untouched by real-world social justice.
- Pressures and doubts: faced skepticism from his father (a scientist) and brothers, with lingering self-doubt over “taking the easy way out.”
- Sister Sabine’s Reminiscence: (12:00) “Dietrich would drum lightly on the wall to signal it was time to ponder eternity.”
4. The Crisis: Theology at a Crossroads (13:27 – 19:20)
- Bonhoeffer’s growing awareness:
- Realizes the disconnect between academic theology and the church’s palpably weak response to social crises.
- Quote (18:10): “He found that both sources offered only popular contradictions and little genuine Christian guidance.”
- Reggie Williams’ biography (Bonhoeffer’s Black Jesus) frames Bonhoeffer’s dissatisfaction: “He did not see any representation of Christ existing as church community within... German churches in Germany.”
5. Religious Institutions and Cultural Pacification (19:20 – 21:47)
- Remski draws parallels to Max Weber’s “routinization”: how mainstream religion becomes conservative, serving to pacify rather than challenge the status quo.
- (20:52) “Christianity now serves the empire instead of challenging it. It now serves the monetary system instead of throwing over the tables in the temple.”
- This same tendency can afflict secular liberal institutions, whose elites pacify and rationalize societal ills just as clerics do.
6. Union Theological Seminary & Social Gospel’s Impact (21:47 – 27:55)
- Bonhoeffer moves to New York (1930) for postdoctoral study at Union Theological Seminary.
- Describes Union as hotbed of Social Gospel – integrating faith with labor rights, civil rights, and anti-poverty advocacy.
- Introduction to Reinhold Niebuhr, a theologian “talking about everything but God”—including the realities of social justice and capitalist critique.
- (25:35) “Niebuhr is the guy who probably touched your life regardless of faith background... he wrote the Serenity Prayer.”
- Niebuhr’s biting critique of Henry Ford and welfare capitalism: “He castigate[d] Ford for creating the illusion he cared for workers while perpetuating an oppressive work environment.” (26:40)
7. Bonhoeffer’s Transformation in Harlem (27:55 – 38:30)
- Life-changing friendship with Frank Fisher, a Black seminarian assigned to Harlem’s Abyssinian Baptist Church.
- Regular walking journeys to Harlem—conversations and exposures that began to revolutionize Bonhoeffer’s theology.
- Astounded by the fervor and social engagement at Abyssinian:
- (31:40) “The congregants were on fire with faith... shouting and rejoicing in the worship and during the sermon, too.”
- Reggie Williams: Bonhoeffer moves from knowing only the “white Jesus of European institutions” to meeting the “black Jesus of the oppressed.”
- (33:10) “He found a community that was not merely religious... but real Christians, disciples of the Christ. They worshipped.”
8. Influence of Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. & Black Liberation Theology (34:22 – 37:48)
- Under Pastor Powell, Abyssinian was committed to social justice, active NAACP and Urban League advocacy, food kitchens, and relief for the poor.
- Powell’s Jesus: “wandered into distressed and lonely places to share the struggles of the poor as friend and counselor.”
- Exposure to these ideas propelled Bonhoeffer toward his concept of “costly grace” – that discipleship must entail risk, sacrifice, and real opposition to injustice.
9. Bonhoeffer’s Immersion in Harlem Culture & Literature (37:48 – End)
- Trips to centers of Black culture in Harlem; research in public libraries; reading Langston Hughes and Countee Cullen’s “The Black Christ.”
- *Excerpt (38:45), from Cullen’s “The Black Christ”:
- “God’s glory and my country’s shame, and how one man who cursed Christ’s name may never fully expiate that crime... Calvary and Palestine extending down to me and mine was but the first leaf in a line of trees on which a man should swing world without end in suffering for all men’s healing let me sing.”
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- Matthew Remski (01:37): “A key antidote to bad religion is good religion, or at least better religion.”
- Zoran Mamdani (02:29): “There is no room for hatred in this city... and we have to root it out.”
- Bonhoeffer (12:25): “Death stood at the door of almost every house and called for entrance.”
- Reggie Williams (14:40): “He did not see any representation of Christ existing as church community within the cultural Protestantism of German Churches.”
- Remski on Weber (20:52): “Christianity now serves the empire instead of challenging it... its primary function is to provide a release valve, a predictable rhythm of catharsis.”
- Bonhoeffer on Black church (31:40): “The congregants were on fire with faith... nothing like the churches he had known in Germany.”
- Remski (33:10): “He found a community not merely religious... but real Christians, disciples of the Christ. They worshipped.”
- Countee Cullen, “The Black Christ” (38:45): “Calvary and Palestine extending down to me and mine was but the first leaf in a line of trees on which a man should swing world without end in suffering for all men’s healing let me sing.”
Important Timestamps
- 00:48 – Remski introduces antifascist Christianity series
- 02:29 – Zoran Mamdani’s faith and activism quote
- 12:00 – Sabine Bonhoeffer’s memory of spiritual rituals
- 18:10 – Bonhoeffer’s dissatisfaction with church and academy
- 20:52 – Weber’s "routinization" and religious institutions’ pacifying roles
- 25:35 – Introduction to Reinhold Niebuhr and the Serenity Prayer
- 31:40 – Bonhoeffer’s culture shock at Abyssinian Baptist
- 34:22 – Influence of Adam Clayton Powell, Sr.
- 38:45 – Bonhoeffer’s engagement with Countee Cullen’s "The Black Christ"
Conclusion & Foreshadowing
Remski leaves listeners poised for Part 2, as Bonhoeffer’s Harlem experiences set the stage for his return to Germany and emergence as an active resistor to Nazism. The transformation Bonhoeffer undergoes becomes not only theological but existential, as he moves from abstraction and privilege to concrete, risky, lived solidarity with the oppressed.
“I’m going to pause on that foreshadowing note of trees and men suspended between heaven and earth. In Episode two, I’ll get into how Bonhoeffer brought all of that experience back to Germany.” (44:00)
End of Summary – for a deeper dive, listen to Part 2 on Patreon.