Brief: Mikki Willis and Russell Brand Rewrite History

Summary

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Conspirituality – Brief: Mikki Willis and Russell Brand Rewrite History

Date: April 4, 2026
Hosts: Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker
Main Theme:
A deep-dive critique of the recent collaboration between Mikki Willis, creator of the conspiracy documentary series "Plandemic," and Russell Brand, examining their use of revisionist history, manipulative personal storytelling, and disinformation within the Wellness, New Age, and conspirituality spaces. The hosts dismantle Willis’s and Brand's narratives about COVID-19, public health, Fauci, pandemic prep, and "sovereignty," exposing their historical and scientific inaccuracies, fallacious logic, and opportunistic grifting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Context: Revisiting the ‘Rogues Gallery’

• [00:47] Julian: Notes how the episode will update listeners on early Conspirituality Podcast subjects, particularly Mikki Willis and Russell Brand, emphasizing how these figures have evolved into full-blown "MAGA Christian" and conspiracy influencers.
  • “Russell Brand... now full on Maga Christian, with pending trials in England for sex crimes, hosted none other than Mickey Willis on his Rumble video show last week.”

2. Who is Mikki Willis?

• [01:49] Julian: Summarizes Willis’s history:
  • Ex-New Age LA filmmaker; rose to fame with "Plandemic," a widely-shared COVID conspiracy doc.
  • Alleges COVID pandemic was orchestrated, claims masks are harmful, parroted by influencers like Dr. Christiane Northrup.
  • Has leveraged this notoriety into more "documentaries" and even a musical, all fueling an anti-public health, pro-disinformation agenda.
• [03:00] Derek: Mocks Willis’s failed musical by questioning its profitability, suggesting his subsequent supplement venture was a financial necessity:
  • “I gotta question how lucrative that fucking whatever that was musical was for him. Which is probably why he had to start a supplements line…”

3. The Fauci Origin Myth & Single Cause Fallacy

• [03:13] Julian: Explains Willis’s persistent personal and conspiratorial hatred of Dr. Anthony Fauci, situating it in a broader pattern of scapegoating authority figures for complex systemic problems.
  • “One through line… is his hatred of Anthony Fauci… who served as the head of the NIAID from 1984 to 2022…”
• [03:43] Derek: Introduces the idea of the “single cause fallacy”—the cognitive bias of blaming one entity for multifaceted problems—a trend among both anti-vax and alt-wellness communities.

4. Willis’s Emotional Origin Story Debunked

• [04:37] Willis Clip: On Brand’s show, Willis claims he knew Fauci's involvement meant doom because “he killed my brother with AZT” (the first major HIV/AIDS drug), and details a dramatic personal exodus to LA as a young man (@05:47).
• [05:47] Julian: Offers empathy for the grief but thoroughly dismantles the claim:
  • Provides historical/scientific context: AZT was life-prolonging for AIDS patients, despite side effects; blaming Fauci is reductionist and mirrors anti-vaccine rhetoric.
  • Quotes/stats from original trial: “[AZT] recipients… so dramatically out surviving those in the placebo group, it was deemed unethical to continue not providing [the drug]… 19 out of 137 in the placebo group died, but only 1 out of 145 in the AZT group.”
• [08:54] Derek: Points out factual impossibility of Willis’s brother’s timeline of living “perfectly healthy” with AIDS for 8–10 years (when, pre-HAART in 1996, average expectancy was around 1 year).

5. The Cognitive Error: Correlation vs. Causation

• [11:32] Co-host/Matthew: Identifies another cognitive pitfall: “There is actually a really basic cognitive error… failing to understand that correlation is not causation.”
• [11:47] Julian: Emphasizes that it was AIDS—not AZT—that killed Willis’s brother, analogizing to anti-vax claims about unrelated deaths.
  • “It wasn't the magic bullet, but… your brother died anyway because he had aids.”

6. Willis’s Current Conspiracy Claims and Pandemic Revisionism

• [12:54] Willis Clip: Claims the Epstein files prove COVID-19 was planned “but wasn’t supposed to happen yet,” and it was triggered early due to anti-Trump efforts. Cites the Dakotas’ COVID outcomes as vindication for “sovereignty.”
• [13:50] Derek/Co-hosts: Instantly debunk this by noting population density differences and state context; mock the lack of causal clarity:
  • “What’s the population density of the Dakotas?... One person every 200 square miles?”
  • “All you have to do to understand anything from Mickey Willis or Russell Brand is just read the transcript… try to make sense of what they're saying and see what actually holds up.”

7. The “Epstein Files” and Pandemic Planning

• [15:15] Julian: Analyzes an email Willis points to as “proof” of pandemic planning; contextually, it was a standard 2015/2017 public health preparedness discussion between humanitarian and scientific orgs.
  • “It has an attachment… titled ‘Geneva Meeting on Pandemics’ … ‘Please find attached a draft agenda for the meeting on preparing for pandemics. Let’s discuss next steps, for example, how to officially involve the WHO…’”
• [17:32] Derek: Points out the banality—and necessity—of constant pandemic preparation among epidemiologists, satirizes how basic readiness gets reinterpreted as nefarious plotting by conspiracy theorists.

8. Next on the Grift: ‘Code of Creation’ and “World-Class Scientists”

• [18:59] Derek: With heavy irony, previews Willis’s newest film, focused on LifeWave supplements and “living longer”—with a science-y veneer.
• [19:43] Walkthrough of “Experts” featured in Code of Creation:
  • Veda Austin: “Self-described water researcher” with no credentials, photographs water.
  • Greg Braden: Ex-geologist turned quantum woo motivational speaker.
    • Julian [20:24]: “He’s one of the worst. He’s a fountain of all that stuff.”
  • Dr. Georgia Perdome: Creationist with legit genetics PhD, now at Answers in Genesis (Christian fundamentalist org).
    • “Director of educational content at Answers in Genesis. You know, the Jesus road, dinosaurs people.”
  • Dr. David Martin: Asset underwriter, likely present for “the biblical math part.”
  • Dr. Jason Lyle: Christian astrophysicist who uses his expertise to justify creationism, writer at Creation Museum.
• [21:34] Derek/Julian: Joke about needing a field trip to the Creation Museum.

9. Concluding Remarks

• [21:38] Derek: Predicts a future “brief” on the inevitable pseudoscience in Willis’s upcoming film.
• Advises listeners: “Check it out on Rumble or don’t and actually enjoy your life.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Derek, on reductionist scapegoating:

  "It's this sort of reductionist practice that makes reality seem much simpler than it is, often in hopes that if you just defeat this one thing, all the problems will magically be solved." — [03:43]

• Julian, on AZT trial results:

  "19 out of the 137 in the placebo group died, but only 1 out of the 145 in the AZT group." — [07:16]

• Derek, on the perils of transcript scrutiny:

  "All you have to do to understand anything from Mickey Willis or Russell Brand is just read the transcript... try to make sense of what they're saying and see what actually holds up." — [14:16]

• Julian, on the routine nature of pandemic planning:

  “Epidemiologists are constantly preparing for pandemics... it was actually evidence of a lot of qualified government and medical professionals being aware of the dangerous potential for a pandemic like COVID-19 and trying to plan for it.” — [17:32]

• Derek, on Code of Creation’s “experts”:

  "She photographs water in its quote unquote state of creation… There’s no credentials needed." — [19:51]
  “Greg Braden… is a fountain of all that stuff.” — [20:24]
  “You know, the Jesus road, dinosaurs people. That’s where she works.” — [20:45]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:47] – Reunion with early Conspirituality Podcast subjects
• [01:49] – Mikki Willis’ conspiracy media career background
• [03:43] – The “single cause fallacy” explained
• [04:37] – Willis’s AIDS/AZT/Fauci origin story (Brand interview clip)
• [05:47] – Scientific/historical fact-check on AIDS and AZT
• [12:54] – Willis’s claim that COVID-19 was planned, the “Epstein files” and the Dakotas
• [15:15] – Actual content of the so-called “pandemic plan” emails
• [18:59] – Breakdown of “Code of Creation” film and its pseudoscientific contributors

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Tone & Language

• Skeptical, irreverent, occasionally profane: The hosts emphasize fact-checking, critical thinking, and mock the grandiosity and fallacies of Brand/Willis’s claims with sharp humor.
• Empathetic yet rigorous: Acknowledgement of Willis’s grief but clear, evidence-based debunking.
• Accessible yet detailed: Clear breakdowns for lay listeners, but with ample technical and historical context.

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Summary:
This episode offers a methodical, often darkly humorous takedown of Mikki Willis and Russell Brand’s attempts to rewrite public health history and market conspiracy-driven pseudo-documentaries. With skepticism and careful research, the Conspirituality hosts expose the manipulative logic, historical inaccuracies, and grift behind their narratives—reminding listeners to look beyond charisma, affect, and personal anecdote to the actual evidence.

Transcript

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For last week's main feed episode, we spent some time catching up with the original Rogues gallery that we did so much of our early work on and who therefore are heavily featured in our book. In that vein, I couldn't help but notice that Russell Brand, everyone's favorite former socialist proponent of Kundalini Yoga as addiction recovery. Now full on Maga Christian, with pending trials in England for sex crimes, hosted none other than Mickey Willis on his Rumble video show last week. I know you're excited for this, Derek.

[Derek]

I've waited my whole life for this moment. And you're listening to a conspirituality brief. Of course, you can find us, as always, on Instagram and Threads Conspirituality Pod, as well as individually on Blue Sky. And if you're able to support us as independent media creators, you can do [e-mail] conspirituality or via Apple Podcasts, where you can get access to our Monday bonus episodes. All right, Julian, let's dive in.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Yeah. So the crossover that we didn't know we needed. For anyone who's forgotten, Mickey Willis is the former New Age filmmaker associated with the Los Angeles yoga and spirituality scene, who dropped the infamous Plandemic, a 26 minute interview with discredited medical researcher Julie Mikovitz just two months into the 2020 pandemic. That film Plandemic alleged that Covid was all planned by the powers that be as part of a sinister plot to enforce authoritarian control over the world. Willis would also go full maga, thus supporting. Let me just check my notes here. The actual powers that be trying to enforce authoritarian control over the world. The film which falsely Claimed that masks activated the virus and flu vaccines increased Covid risks was widely shared by Oprah Darling and anti vax Dr. Christiane Northrup. Willis has since turned plandemic into a hugely lucrative cottage industry, releasing two more so called documentary follow ups and then the musical film complete with show tunes.

[Derek]

I gotta question how lucrative that fucking whatever that was musical was for him. Which is probably why he had to start a supplements line to try to cover his costs.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Yeah, maybe it's a tax write off

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

one through line in both Willis's video output and the origin myth he often spins in interviews and public speaking gigs is his hatred of Anthony Fauci who served as the head of the NIAID from 1984 to 2022 and was given the Presidential medal of honor for his work on the AIDS crisis by that woke socialist George W. Bush turned painter

[Derek]

now which he spends most of his days doing. I recently wrote an article about the single cause fallacy which is the tendency to assign all problems to a single cause, which in reality is never actually the case. So think of anti vaxxers blaming vaccines for most chronic diseases or think of people blam capitalism for all of society's woes. It's this sort of reductionist practice that makes reality seem much simpler than it is often in hopes that if you just defeat this one thing, all the problems will magically be solved. And for Mickey Willis, Fauci is the single cause of so many problems, or at least so many of his problems. And it is, as you reference, tied into his own origin story.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

And that brings us to the very first clip from Mickey's Russell Brand appearance.

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A lot of people asked me how did you have a film Ready and launched May 4th of 2020? And the answer is really easy. And that's the moment I saw Anthony Fauci at the helm of the pandemic response. I knew it was going to be disastrous. And the reason is I knew his history. He killed my brother with a drug called azt. When this came out, my brother had lived with AIDS for about eight or 10 years and he was in perfect health, he was fine. And then suddenly this medicine came out and said, you know, if the people start taking this medicine, even the people that don't have full blown aids, it's going to go away and their quality of life is return and they're going to be healed. This is a miracle drug, AZT. My mom allowed the cancer to take her within 30 days. So we buried my brother 34 days later we buried my mom. And so this is at a time I'm 23 years old, wasn't a researcher at the time, no Internet, didn't know what to do about it except for to grieve. And I just left to Hollywood. I just like, I got to get away from all of this. I don't know what I want to do in Hollywood exactly. And I just got on the bus basically, really in a U haul truck and drove the Hollywood, Hollywood and lived at the Magic Hotel for about a year. And what a divine blessing, right? Because then I started, you know, doing the work that I'm doing now.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Man, he hits all the notes for that origin myth and pulling on the emotional heartstrings. I mean, what a, what a horrible set of experiences to have as a 23 year old guy. But here we go down the road and eventually it's divine providence. And somehow he was not a researcher then, but he's a researcher now. Willis actually shares this preoccupation with revisionist history on aids with RFK Jr who of course published a viciously slanderous bestseller titled the Real Anthony Fauci in 2021. So I want to dig into this for a moment. It is true that Mickey Willis had a brother with AIDS and that when AZT was discovered as an effective treatment, he took the drug, but sadly still died. That is very sad, as is losing his mother to her long battle with cancer so soon thereafter. We can perhaps speculate that these painful experiences of the harsh realities of degenerative diseases for which medical science has no cure was an early driver of Willis's search for conspiratorial explanations for how the world works. But the claim that AZT was this failed drug treatment that actually killed people and was pushed anyway by Anthony Fauci, well, predictably it rhymes with anti vax claims and it's likewise not evidence based. So here are some of the facts. AZT or zidovudine was flagged and then researched as a potentially effective treatment against HIV AIDS. In 1985, two years after the virus had been identified, and two years after that, after a double blind randomized placebo controlled trial, the FDA approved AZT for use. Now that phase two trial was actually discontinued because the drug recipients were so dramatically out surviving those in the placebo group, it was deemed unethical to continue not providing those in the placebo group with the real drug. How dramatic. 19 out of the 137 in the placebo group died, but only 1 out of the 145 in the AZT group. Now, critics have pointed out problems with the study and that, you know, this meant that it turned out to be functionally unblinded as to who was getting or not getting the drug. That became obvious for the reasons I just described. But be that as it may, the life saving Trend continued. By 1989, the data showed that HIV survival rates were 4.5 times higher with AZT than without it. The drug did have some nasty dosage related side effects which were reduced over time via clinical experimentation and finding it was effective at low, lower doses in those desperate days of a massive public health crisis. It is true that somewhere between 12% and 20% of patients had those severe toxic side effects from the very high doses. But overall AZT was somewhat miraculous.

[Derek]

We could say, yeah, I'm gonna get back to azt. Did have you ever gone to Magic Castle, Julian?

[Co-host / Commentator]

No.

[Derek]

Okay, I went once. It's this really just throwback place where you walk from room to room. It's a private club, but I had a friend who member and, and it's a fix.

[Co-host / Commentator]

It's a fixture in Hollywood. Right. It's, it's like it's part of the culture.

[Derek]

Yeah, it's by Groman's Man's Chinese Theater, like it's by the Walk of the Fame. So it just hit me when Mickey said he lives at the Magic Castle. He's talking about the Magic Castle that's attached to that hotel where you can, where you can live. And what a great place to move to LA to think about sleight of hand. Like where else would you. Because if you live at the hotel, you have access, I believe, to the Magic Castle. So maybe he saw a bunch of magic shows and that this whole process for him. Because you mentioned revisionist history and that's all I can think of when I'm hearing Mickey's claims. The idea that his brother lived a perfectly healthy life with AIDS for 8 or 10 years would have made him an extreme outlier at that time, given that life expectancy expectancy was one year after diagnosis before a three drug cocktail known as heart began being used in 1996. If, if his brother was what was known as the asymptomatic latency phase before progressing to aids, then that could actually be possible. But that's not what Mickey said. That's not how he's framing it. He said his brother lived with AIDS healthily for eight to ten years, which again, impossible. And even then researchers knew AZT couldn't cure aids, but it did, as you said, help prolong lives. Now there are plenty of reasons for criticizing the early AIDS response. You have Reagan, who just was unwilling to take it seriously at the time because it was predominantly going through, you know, the homosexual population. And as you know, the origin story, if it did come from Africa like this, there was a lot that Reagan was like, fuck this. I'm not even touching it. There's also the prohibitive pricing of azt. At the time, it was the most expensive therapeutic on the market. But putting all the flav. The blame on Fauci's shoulders just sounds more like coping with something tragic and refusing to face the many factors involved in a novel disease which honestly tracks given Willis repeated this exact pattern with COVID 19.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Yeah, all of that. And it's. It's like this is this really simple

[Co-host / Commentator]

speaking of a single cause fallacy.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Right? There is actually a really basic cognitive error that's at the heart of all of this kind of anti medical science rhetoric. And it's failing to understand that correlation is not causation.

[Co-host / Commentator]

If you have a disease that at

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

the time had the kind of death rate that AIDS had, well, AIDS killed your brother, not the medicine that was in an experimental phase that, that, you know, people were desperately trying that ended up being successful, but having some drawbacks. It wasn't the magic bullet, but like, yeah, your brother died anyway because he had aids. Like, you know, it's the same as. As all of these claims about people suddenly dying from heart attacks or seizures and blaming it on the vaccine. It's like a certain number of people are going to tragically die from these various things, creating actual chains of. Of evidentiary causality back to the, the medical intervention that you're blaming is the

[Derek]

crucial thing, or people saying that they died there. Someone died with COVID instead of. Of COVID And it's like, yeah, they wouldn't have died of that other thing if Covid didn't also affect them. Like, that's just not how the biology works.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Commentator]

All right.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Having dealt with that, let's hear from Mickey again because he, Derek, he has some important new evidence to share with us.

[Derek]

I can't wait.

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This was planned and the Epstein files have proven that. But it wasn't supposed to happen yet. It wasn't supposed to happen in 2020. They pulled the trigger in 2020 because every effort to stop Trump, every Russia Russia, every impeachment thing was. And so they pushed it forward. This was a plan, but probably maybe it was supposed to happen around now.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Yeah.

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The saving grace for us all, Russell, was that all of their plan wasn't in place. So we have outliers now. We have states within our own country who they hadn't yet been able to install their own leadership, so they didn't play the game. We're able to look at the data and say, well, why is it that the Dakotas did so much better? They didn't clamp down. Their economy's better. They gave their citizens a choice, whether you want to wear a mask or not. You know, the one beautiful thing about the lack of trust that's been developing is it's created this return to sovereignty, this return to people wanting to put their hands in the soil again to grow their own food again.

[Derek]

I just caught that. The Dakotas. What's the population density of the Dakotas?

[Co-host / Commentator]

I know.

[Derek]

Is it like one person every 200 square miles?

[Co-host / Commentator]

Like, it's immediate. You hear it and you're just like, oh, yeah, population density. To say, yeah, it's not going to spread as, as rapidly or as, you know, as as much within the population because people are much more isolated.

[Derek]

Yeah. Of course, it was supposed to be Covid 2026.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Yeah. And of course it has to do with trying to get rid of Trump.

[Derek]

Yeah. None, none of this makes sense. Again, all you have to do to understand anything from Mickey Willis or Russell Brand is just read the transcript. Like, get the affect out of. We've done a lot of work on Mickey's affect and Russell's gish gallop. Like, just try to make sense of them. And that's what's great about YouTube. I know this is on Rumble, but I think some of these clips are on YouTube. You can just download the transcript now. Just don't even watch them. Just read it and try to make sense of what they're saying and see what actually holds up.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

I have to say, Derek, I, I, I, I disagree with you because he's really done it again. I mean, this is, this is intrepid researcher Mickey Willis, and he found the proof for a pandemic six full years later, like, turned right. It was in the Epstein files as he's saying this on the video.

[Co-host / Commentator]

And you talked about just reading the transcript, but if you, if you look at the video, it's interesting how they put things together.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

The specific email he's referring to is flashed on the screen, so I had to go and find it on the DOJ website. Both the sender and the recipient are redacted. But the subject line here is preparing for pandemics. And it has an attached, has an attachment, excuse me, titled Geneva Meeting on Pandemics. The body of this email from 2015 reads as follows. Please find attached a draft agenda for the meeting on preparing for pandemics. Let's discuss next steps, for example, how to officially involve the WHO and the icrc. That is co branding. Best regards and I hope we can pull this off now. ICRC stands for the International Committee of the Red Cross. You know, they're behind everything. They're like the Illuminati or the freemasons. There's another 2017 email in the files that conspiracists have circulated in the last few months along these lines. It appears to be Epstein responding to a forwarded thread between a redacted sender and Bill Gates with Larry Cohen, who was the CEO of Gates Ventures at the time. The subject line is bgc3, which is the sort of abbreviation for Gates Ventures. They were using deliverables and scope and the body includes a list of those deliverables seemingly in preparation for the strain pandemic simulation that was eventually run on October 18, 2019 by Johns Hopkins center for Health Security and on their website this was described as a high level 3.5 hour tabletop exercise designed to illustrate how private public partnerships would be necessary to handle a pandemic to prevent large scale social and economic consequences, unquote. Willis originally used his own theatrical simulation of the pandemic simulation. He reenacted it for the movie as kind of B roll as an argument for Covid being nefariously planned instead of just recognizing that it was actually evidence of a lot of qualified government and medical professionals being aware of the dangerous potential for a pandemic like COVID 19 and trying to plan for it.

[Derek]

Yeah, just wait until Willis finds out that epidemiologists are constantly preparing for pandemics. Wait until he reads Lori Garrett, who in the 1990s wrote about the dangers of a coronavirus that would hit the global population. I mean that's the film he's gonna make once he reads that. I mean it's, it's like a 700 page book that I've actually read and it's fantastic. But you know, I'm sure he'll get the Cliff's notes from Russell, you know, at some point. But Julian, he actually does have a new film coming out which is what I want to close with today because Code of Creation is a quote, groundbreaking documentary that follows the pioneering work of Lifeway founder and inventor David Schmidt and five world class scientists. Through a series of biological, biblical and mathematical codes, they unravel the greatest mystery of our time. And the film Promised promises to answer the question, can humans live significantly longer than they do today? I can't wait. Kind of like the guys in the Bible who live to 700 years. Which of course is definitely. That definitely happened. I know this is going to shock you, but Life Wave is a supplements company whose product line elevates the flow of your body's innate energy, fostering overall wellness and an active lifestyle.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Wow.

[Derek]

I already know your next question. Who are these five world class scientists? Well, I looked at the website, which is not actually prepared for mobile, so you have to make your browser bigger so that you can like see all five of them. I mean real high tech stuff they're doing. But I did look into each of them. You have Veda Austin, who is a self described water researcher who has tapped into the fluid intelligence of the universe by photographing water for 14 years now. I know, I know, I thought I said scientists, but silly, silly man. There's no credentials needed. She photographs water in its quote unquote state of creation.

[Co-host / Commentator]

It sounds like she spends too much time alone with a camera and whatever, you know, water source she's using.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

This is, this is not good.

[Derek]

It's the purest water on earth that she's photographing. So she's definitely a scientist. Yeah, no, there's. She has no actual credentials, but Willis calls her a scientist. Next up is Greg Braden. He received a beat BS in structural geology and earth sciences in 1982 before going to work for Phillips Petroleum, Cisco and aerospace companies. Then he turned into a motivational speaker who blends science and spirituality in the 90s.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

You, you know this guy, Greg Braden?

[Derek]

No, I don't. You do?

[Co-host / Commentator]

Oh.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Oh, he's one of the worst. He's one of the absolute worst. Pseudoscience, cosmic quantum, you know, vibration molecule.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Like, like he's, he's just.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

Yeah, he's, he's a, he's a fountain of all of that stuff.

[Derek]

Oh, great. Maybe you'll know the other ones. How about Dr. Georgia Perdome? She is a biologist and a young Earth creationist.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

That's a tough thing to do, right? Right.

[Derek]

She actually did get a PhD in molecular genetics, but now she's the director of educational content at Answers in Genesis. You know, the Jesus road, dinosaurs, people. That's where she works. Dr. David Martin is an asset underwriter who runs an analyst firm called MCAM. So I guess he was needed for the biblical MA math part of this. And finally we get to Dr. Jason Lyle, who is a Christian astrophysicist. Who double majored in physics and astronomy in order to prove that science is in service to whatever Christian God he thinks is the real one. So he's even written planetarium shows for the Christian Museum of the Creation Museum. So I'm thinking it's time for a field trip, Julian.

[Co-host / Commentator]

Oh, okay.

[Narrator / Analyst Julian]

As long as I can write it off on my taxes.

[Derek]

So that's up next from Mickey. I have a feeling we're going to need a brief on Code of Creation coming soon. But until then, you know, as we record this on Wednesday, the full Mickey Russell Rumble episode has not even been released yet. So check it out on Rumble or don't and actually enjoy your life.

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