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contactees – Radio Misterioso
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In-depth conversations on the paranormal alternating with weird music. Occasionally live on Sundays 6-8 or 8-10 PM Pacific.
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Chris Aubeck – A History of Alien Artifacts
Dec 19, 202201:36:44Tap to summarizeChris Aubeck’s previous book, co-authored with Jacques Vallée, was entitled Wonders in the Sky, published in 2010. It was a comprehensive examination of aerial phenomena reports from antiquity to the year 1879. His new title is Alien Artifacts: From Antiquity to 1880: The Forgotten Story of How We Came to Believe in Visitors From the Stars. The book describes the long and intricate history of ideas about extraterrestrial worlds and their inhabitants. The examples stretch back to ancient Greece and include the first speculations on the origins of the ancient alien theory, the first ideas of extraterrestrial craft, original accounts of what we would know today as flying saucer contactees, and even the racist origins of ideas about superior beings. Chris says he’s been told that his research is “like drawing back a curtain to reveal a long forgotten history of an obsession we thought was new.” In his first appearance on the show in over 6 years, Chris described his research into the history of ideas about extraterrestrials in archives. libraries, and the internet, and how he has discovered that “we’ve read so much into it based on our expectations.” Many UFO stories in the 19th century and before were invented as fiction or to sell newspapers and other printed media, but many of them contain quite modern elements, such as ideas about alien artifacts and writing, and even elements of abduction stories. Aubeck says that this is not proof that UFO sightings and encounters are made up, but that we need to look at cultural contexts and antecedents for them to gain perspective. We also discussed the writings of 18th century Swedish mystic Emanuel Swedenborg, and his descriptions of people from other planets that contain many elements that would appear in 20th century UFO contactee literature. Another fascinating tangent was the strange (to us) theory beginning in the 19th century, that meteorites had arrived from other worlds carrying flora and fauna, sometimes still living. (Song credit: “They’re Here” by Boots Walker) LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD
Transcribe →Michael Masters – The Extratempestrial Model
Oct 20, 202201:51:21Tap to summarizeDr. Michael Masters is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Tech in Butte, Montana. His 2019 book was Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon, which hypothesized that ‘UFOs’ and ‘Aliens’ are our human descendants returning from the future, and which we discussed on RM. His new book, The Extratempestrial Model, analyzes many cases of abduction and other types of contact, as well as other theories that attempt to understand the UFO enigma. As usual with Mike, we ranged far and wide in our discussions, touching on such subjects as the (in)accessibility of the MUFON database, and the inscrutability of Terence McKenna, but we soon moved into the subject matter of his newest book. Mike argued that the famous “grandfather paradox” of time travel is not true if we use the idea of a “block time” reality, where everything exists simultaneously, and all seeming paradoxes are accounted for: “Everything you did before you left was already there.” He brought up the theoretic concept of “closed timelike curves” which would allow backwards time travel without violating the laws of Special Relativity. We also touched on a few of the cases discussed in the book and how they apply to the extratempestrial model, such as the recurring contacts of Mike and Leo Dworshak, which they say began in 1932. Mike also theorized about certain points in time existing as “ports” for embarkation, just as they are in space. In the end, we spoke on the conundrum of how academics and others reach a certain point in the study of UFOs where they cannot go back to all of their old models and denials of the phenomenon. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD
Transcribe →Aaron Gulyas – Living the Saucer Life
Jun 6, 201801:17:36Tap to summarizeIn this short but info-rich interview, Aaron and I started with a discussion about his excellent podcast “The Saucer Life,” which is one promising direction that podcasting seems to be heading: short, informative, and easy to understand for those not familiar with the material. Aaron is a professor of history and has a strong interest in the social history of the UFO subject. It’s always fascinating to examine what kinds of people gather around the topic and why. We delved into the period of the later 1980s and early 1990s, which Aaron calls the beginning of the “endless commercialization” of ufology. How does information get released by those (supposedly) in the know and how is it consumed, how is it used, and what myths are created and evolved? Along these lines, we recalled the early days of the Art Bell program and how that period laid a lot of the groundwork for the culture as we see it today. Aaron does not recall ever having any sort of sighting of anything unidentified, but he mentioned that his sister remembers looking out of the window when she was four years old and seeing what looked like a big-headed entity, which bothers him a bit! We mulled over why the extraterrestrial hypothesis is popular and has been since the beginning of the modern era. Finally, we discussed the intersection between the cultures of conspiracy and UFOs. Takeaway quote from Aaron: “Bad conspiracy writing answers every question.” I would argue that goes for Saucer writing as well. Above: Aaron during the 2018 Esotericon in Halifax, Nova Scotia. DIRECT LINK
Transcribe →Miguel Romero – Catching Up With Red Pill Junkie
Apr 16, 201801:51:01Tap to summarizeOne day, we’ll get Miguel to write a book. He’s certainly heading in that direction as evidenced by this recent conversation on a variety of far-reaching subjects. As a writer for The Daily Grail, he searches out and reports/ comments on the latest in the world of the paranormal, UFOs, and consciousness. We wandered all over the map here, from possible reasons for UFO sighting “flaps,” the connections to other strange phenomena, how a close encounter changes the witness, and how Ufology might be able to connect the left and right brains with new methods of research. With this in mind, we also discussed what a really good 21st century UFO conference should look like. We also talked about apport phenomena and his design for the cover of the upcoming contactee encyclopedia A Is For Adamski. Miguel also has a blog and his wonderful art for sale on t-shirts. Above: One of RPJ’s t-shirt designs. DIRECT LINK
Transcribe →Preston Dennett – The Life of a UFO Researcher
Apr 5, 201801:57:30Tap to summarizePreston Dennett has been looking at UFO cases and interviewing witnesses for almost 30 years. In that time, he has interviewed hundreds (and maybe even thousands) of witnesses, investigated OBEs and even had his own close encounters. We began (as one does) with his start in the field and his surprise at how many people he knew had seen flying unidentifieds in his local area near Los Angeles. Next we went back and forth on the “new disclosure” and how truthful and useful it might be. We both believe that the Navy is more involved with the subject than most people realize, and that this has been going on for many years. I asked Preston why he believes the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis is the best theory for UFO origins, and he made a good case for his opinion, although we both agreed that no one theory explains the vast spectrum of evidence. Preston has delved into many strange cases where a witness to a UFO also has other paranormal events crop up in their lives, such as haunting and poltergeist phenomena. He also described a very dramatic sighting he had with one repeat witness who seemed to be able to either call up objects or know where they would be beforehand. This was an enjoyable couple of hours with a veteran, open-minded, boots-on-the-ground researcher. His new book is Undersea UFO Base: An In-Depth Investigation of USOs in the Santa Catalina Channel. DIRECT LINK
Transcribe →Adam Gorightly – Flying Saucer Contactees In Depth
Jan 22, 201800:55:51Tap to summarize(cover design by Red Pill Junkie) Gorightly and I are finishing up a detailed chronicle of UFO contact personalities and cults (entitled A Is For Adamski) which will be released in the next couple of months. It will be a comprehensive overview featuring many previously unpublished and little-seen photos and images. Since Gorightly was in town, we did a “pop-up” show (which are meant to be recorded and posted the same day.) We started off discussing a little-known and fascinating artist named Paulina Peavy, who said she channeled an alien who helped her with her artwork (see above.) We played a few minutes of her January, 1958 appearance on the Long John Nebel radio show, where she went into a trance and channeled what she said were her spirit guides. We also recalled the strange case of Karl Hunrath and Wilbur Wilkinson, who disappeared in 1953 after renting an aircraft from the Los Angeles area, after saying they were going to a remote location to meet up with space people. Gorightly then brought up a little-known character named Raymond Broshears, who was on the fringes of both UFO fandom and the JFK assassination, as well as a close associate of contactee Frank Stranges. We ended with an examination of the 1965 John Reeves case, where the witness claimed that a robot came out of a flying saucer, took pictures of him, and left a paper with strange symbols on it, which was later quickly deciphered by government cryptographers to read: “Planet Mars- Are you coming home soon- We miss you very much- Why did you stay away too long.” The one-to-one relationship of the symbols to the English alphabet was a good clue that source of the message was a little closer to Earth than Reeves claimed. DIRECT LINK
Transcribe →Binnall, Gulyas, Kimball on a Rooftop at Midnight
Dec 12, 201601:59:30Tap to summarizeAfter the wonderful East Coast Paraconference, Paul Kimball put us up for one night in a haunted hotel in his hometown of Halifax, Nova Scotia. Before the event, he took us on a guided tour of the province, including a pilgrimage to the alleged UFO crash site in Shag Harbour. Sitting on the roof of our hotel, we discussed the events of that weekend and just about anything else that came to mind while we had a few beers and Tim tried to get a hookup on Tinder. We also talked about who can claim the title of “most influential ufologist,” praised the organizers of the conference for their non-dogmatic stance, and apparently annoyed some other guests of the hotel. Aaron also performed his soon-to-be-famous impressions of legendary UFO researcher and Men In Black originator Albert K. Bender. Photo – Shag Harbour crash site visit with Tim, Aaron, and Paul.
Transcribe →Nick Redfern – The Women In Black
Sep 13, 201602:03:57Tap to summarizeNick is of course an old friend and having him on the show is just an excuse to catch up and talk shop, although we spent an amazingly substantial amount of time on his new book: Women In Black: The Creepy Companions of the Mysterious M.I.B. Nick can say whatever he wants to on my show and he did. We spoke quite a lot about Albert K. Bender and his occult interests and experiences, and a bit about his involvement with alchemy, of all things. The subject of fairy lore came up, and some of the similarities to aspects of visits from the Women In Black. Nick found that these entities, while having a similar M.O. to their male brethren, tend to act more like what we think of a vampires, at least in their theatrical aspects, being more seductive and less overtly threatening. We even got to a case of a woman in white who harassed a witness to an apparent whale mutilation in the UK.
Transcribe →Adam Gorightly – Blood Moon 2015
Dec 24, 201500:53:01Tap to summarizeOn September 27, Gorightly was in town for an interview with the MANdate crew. It just happened to be the night of the “Super Blood Moon” eclipse, so we climbed the mountain to Los Angeles’ famous Griffith Observatory for the festivities. There was no agenda or list of questions and the second-ever remote Misterioso broadcast was glitch-free as we stood on the upper deck between two huge telescopes. We could see the searchlights from the Hollywood Bowl where Grace Jones was performing as Gorightly described a new UFO book project. He has also learned a bit more about late UFO publisher James Moseley’s mysterious girlfriend and her alleged alien contacts in the 1950s and ’60s. She eventually wrote a book entitled Those Sexy Saucer People. Gorightly has also uncovered a previously unknown flying saucer contactee story from the 1930s. Ever the sleuth, he also shared the story of a UFO sighting wave from France in 1954 and how it may have coincided with a outbreak of ergot fungus poisoning, which mimics the effects of LSD. We also talked about how much Nick Redfern hates Paul McCartney while we tried in vain to see the eclipse, which was obscured by cloud cover. As soon as the event was over, the skies were clear again. Typical. A short, but enjoyable show which was limited by the time constraints imposed on us by the remote broadcast software.
Transcribe →Patrick Connelly – They Rode The Flying Saucers
Jul 13, 201402:12:04Tap to summarizeOrthon's footprint When Patrick originally got in touch with me about his documentary, entitled “They Rode The Flying Saucers,” I was wary that he was another producer out to make a fun, kooky film about a bunch of stupid weirdos. How wrong I was. Connelly is serious about the movement, while not taking all the claims at face value, which is exactly my take. Patrick is even more protective of the contactee legacy than I am, and is well on the way to finishing a film composed of archival footage, vintage audio from the 1950s and ’60s, and most excitingly, animation done by Connelly himself. He showed me a little bit of his animation of the George Adamski 1952 meeting with his space brother friend Orthon. We discussed his film, opinions of contactees, fundamentalist skeptics, and our favorite documentary filmmakers, among many other things. We laughed a lot and I talked too much. Check out Patrick’s blog for more.
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