Ross Hudgens welcomes Lily Ray, VP of SEO Strategy & Research at Amsive — this time in person — for a wide-ranging conversation on what's actually working (and what's getting patched) in AI search right now.

They dig into the rise and likely fall of self-promotional listicles and comparison pages, the new wave of GEO manipulation tactics already being flagged as spam by Google and Microsoft, and how to build visibility that's genuinely algorithm-proof.

Lily also shares how her team is using AI day-to-day, what the technical GEO checklist looks like in 2026, and why she's still betting on Google winning the AI search race long-term.

Show Notes:

00:00:11 – Lily's new consulting practice at Algorithmic

00:02:11 – The rise and fall of self-promotional listicles

00:08:11 – Comparison pages and alternative posts

00:12:38 – Authentic authority vs. paid influence

00:15:42 – GEO exploits Google & Microsoft flag as spam

00:27:23 – Using AI day-to-day

00:30:46 – The GEO technical checklist

00:36:27 – Predicting the Next 12 Months

Show Links:

Find Lily at Amsive: https://www.amsive.com/insights/author/lily-ray/

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Lily’s Substack: https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/

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