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Alabama & Ohio State Shift Recruiting To Hyper Drive, Top Transfer Portal QBs | Recruiting Show
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Andrew Ivins
What's going on, y'?
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Chip Patterson
All?
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Andrew Ivins
Bud Elliott here at the COVID 3 podcast. That's my man, Andrew Ivins. All things recruiting and scouting for 24. Seven sports. Ivan. This is the COVID three recruiting hour, which is kind of growing in popularity, man. People are, people are asking for it. They're excited. They told them we're moving it up a day this week due to some scheduling stuff and they're, they're pumped, man. How you been doing?
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Bud Elliott
Good, Bud. Yeah, I'm just going to do this every week until it happens. T minus three weeks till signing day. What is that like over 21 days? We are in crunch time. It's fun. Fun time. Silly time. Right. Once we get these coaching hires as well. But a lot of movement here over the past, you know, few days with commits flipping visits taking place. Certainly no better place to be than right here. I think as we try to, you know, paint a wide brush when it comes to the national perspective.
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Andrew Ivins
100. So we don't always deep dive teams, but like one team that is squarely in the playoff hunt. A team that's won a whole bunch of games in a row, including at 1.4 against ranked teams. That's Kaylin DeBoer's Alabama Crimson Tide. And they are really killing it. Recruiting and starting to pick up a lot of steam. They beat LSU 29 in what was a probably a little more uncomfortable than they wanted. They still covered the spread like LSU still has real athletes. They had a good plan for him that like, I think Bama is a team that has struggled a lot in blitz pickup this year and LSU probably saw that and exploited that. But still, LSU couldn't score any points. So that's a bit of an issue if you're going to win in Tuscaloosa. But we're here to talk recruiting. Let's talk a little bit about who they had in the recruiting section and what kind of class they're building here as they look to close strong in 2026.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, bud, I mean, I'm sure you had eyes on the game Saturday night. You know how to find an alternate because of the YouTube TV situation. But I was watching the broadcast and at one of the commercial breaks, they, or it was after a touchdown. They panned to this section and I think a lot of people didn't know who was in that section, but I'm like, oh, that's a five star prospect. That's a five star prospect. That'S a five star prospect. It was a who's who on Saturday night in Bryant Vinnie Stadium. And that's not surprising. I mean, Alabama always does it big. And bud, we're getting close to updating our class of 20, 26 rankings. And one of my big takeaways, like one of my story lines is, I love Alabama's recruiting class. It's number three right now in the rankings. You know, can they get to number one? We'll see, right? A lot of moving factors there. But to me, you know, the big question about Kaylin aboard was, okay, can he recruit? Can he match what Nick Saban did? And I look at this recruiting class and I, I see future NFL guys up and down the list. I mean, start at the topic. Xavier Griffin, I think he's the next Jihad Campbell. Jordan Edmonds, big corner out of the state of Georgia, kind of reminds me of, of Will Johnson. Jaira Edwards. Malachi Starks is the player comp for him. Zion Gibson, one of my favorite corners in the class. So as we've got into the senior tape with this group of individuals, I think Alabama's getting better in three weeks. And the scary part I think for the rest of the SEC in all of college football is this 2027 recruiting class. It has a chance to be even better than what the Crimson Tide are doing here in 2026. On Saturday night you had D.J. jacobs, the number one overall player in the class of 2027. He was in the stands. They also had Elijah Haven, five star quarterback, number two player nationally there, Brett Greenberg from Bama247. He actually put it in a crystal ball pick for the Crimson Tide to land Elijah Haven. They already have a quarterback committed in the 2027 class and they got too committed in the 2026 class. So Alabama, they aren't looking for arms in the transfer portal. They are all in on high school recruiting when it comes to that signal caller position. But man, Alabama has it dialed right now. I think from a talent evaluation, talent ID and then getting these guys on campus. I mean my, my big thing, bud, like you asked me this six months ago, hey, what is the future outlook for the Crimson Tide? And I, you know, I thought there was reason to be concerned that the built by Bama slogan might fade away in a way as, as we get further and further from Nick Saban's tenure. But I look up now and it seems like kids are still buying into. All right, I go to Alabama and I can make the NFL.
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Andrew Ivins
I was 100% and like, like, they're not going to be as good as those Bama teams were because the sport is not as good overall. Like, it's more entertaining than it's ever been. We've had a lot more close games, but the talent is more spread out. So it's like they're not going to be on like a power rating standpoint, a 32. Again, I, I don't think that's coming back unless we have like real structural changes to the sport. But man, I look at this class, I, I've seen Griffin in person a couple times. Oh, who was the guy? Where, where's Glasses? He played for A M and then Denver for a long time. Edge rusher.
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Bud Elliott
Von Miller.
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Andrew Ivins
Yes. Excuse me. I think there's a little Von Miller there, man. Like that, like the twitch in the bin combo. Like some guys shoot out and then they can't bend it right. And some guy, like some guys don't have quite the twitch and they do bend. He's got kind of got both. And he also, he's got a nice motor too. I know he's not the biggest guy, but like, it's hard for me to imagine him not Being an early impact guy for them. Just with like people are going to struggle hand to handle that speed and that bend and like that's, that's nice.
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Bud Elliott
Well, buddy, I mean he's a guy that can play on ball or off ball. And, and if you go back to Jihad Campbell's recruitment, you know, we kind of listed him as an edge. He ended up playing more linebacker at Alabama. Then we fast forward to the NFL draft process and you know, Daniel Jeremiah saying the same thing, like, hey, I kind of like Jahad Campbell more on the edge. I think that same conversation is going to carry over to Xavier Griffin who you know, hands down like a 24, 7 sports. He is one of our favorite, favorite prospects. We've been super convicted on him from the jump. You mentioned the Von Miller comp. He reminds me of like a deer that jumps in front of the car, right? Like he just burst on there and he makes the play in the backfield. The other thing I, I just want to circle back on this quarterback situation, right? You know, go back to 2018 when Alabama had three Heisman Trophy finalists in the room with, with two, Jalen Hurts and Mac Jones. I'm not saying, you know, Alabama's going to repeat that at some point here in the near future, but Bud, man, the quarterback room is as stocked as any program in the country. Obviously you have Ty Simpson there right now, probably off to the NFL. What do you have behind him? Keelan Russell, five star quarterback from last cycle. The national Gatorade player of the year I talked about in the 2026 class. They got two arms committed. Taden Kawa, more of a developmental guy, but he's 6 foot 5, 235 pounds from Utah. And then Jet Tamala out of Nebraska, Gatorade, the player of the year last year there Max Preps player of the year. This kid is completing 73% of his passes as a senior. He's got 47 touchdowns to just three interceptions. Iowa State, Matt Campbell were in early on. Jet Tamala, Kaylin DeBoer, they pry him away and then let's go to 2027. I said it. They got Trent Seaborn, a kid in state that's already won some state titles there in the Yellowhammer State. And then this Elijah haven one bud me and you saw him at the future 50 back in June. You get around Elijah Haven. He is a super siiz signal caller. All of 6 foot 5, all of 215 pounds. He can beat you with his arm, he can beat you with his legs, he can dunk on the hardwood. And I think what really stands out about Haven, the way he is wired. Right. I thought Florida was in a really, really good spot with Elijah Haven. Obviously Billy Napier's gone, and I think that's opened the door for the Crimson Tide here to lock him up.
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Andrew Ivins
Yeah, I mean, I, I think he's just very like, composed when you talk to him. And this is not a guarantee he's going to be good. Right. Like, we know QB recruiting is, is. It's not a coin flip. It's more like a weighted coin flip. If you have, if you have talent, guess what? It's actually more likely you're going to be good than not. I know some people on Twitter and social media are like, oh, you know, QB recruiting is a total toss up. It's. It's not like, it's not an exact science, but man, like, he, he. You're talking like an adult when you talk to that guy. Despite the fact he's got another year left of high school like that. That's a really impressive kid. You know, credit to you for being on him as early as you were there in, in the rankings process. And like we were sitting out there at Future 50. I'm like, I kind of like him better than the other guys out here who are rated ahead of him. Like, but again, it's so early in the process still, you know, and.
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Bud Elliott
But Elijah Haven, I mean, I mentioned I thought Florida was in a good position. I mean, this kid goes to school on the other side of, of town in B. Rouge from lsu, right? And you know, everyone's kind of taken a swipe at him. He's visited a ton of different programs. You know, I think he's going to be a longer burn, right. He is not a complete product. The player comp for me was Jacoby Brissette. I think some people see that and they're like, Jacoby Brissette. Well, it's like Jacoby Brissette's still starting games in the NFL. Jacoby Brissette was also a talented basketball player that could have played both sports in college. And I got to add here on the quarterback, you know, outlook for the Crimson Tide. And I'm not trying to disappoint everyone out there, but if you want to spin it to 20, 28, right. Those are the sophomores. Hey, Ty Simpson's brother, Graham Simpson is having a heck of a sophomore year after being the Max Prep's national player of the year as a freshman. So there's one program that has this quarterback thing figured out on paper right now. These guys got to live up to the ranking to Alabama.
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Andrew Ivins
How dare you compare a player to a guy who has played 10 years in the NFL? Right? When did your company percent finish up? Because like he was, he was on.
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Bud Elliott
Those must champ teams like 2012 right around there.
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Andrew Ivins
Yeah, I mean like because Charlie Weiss recruited him and it was him and Driscoll and as Knowles we always kind of joked like maybe, maybe Charlie Weiss recruiting because he thinks his name is Brisket, not Brissette. Right. But you know like the guy ended up being really, really freaking good.
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Bud Elliott
He was from. Yeah, Dwyer in West Palm Beach. Yeah. I mean Bud, like the quarterback comps are, are so difficult because I don't think a fan base is going to be happy unless it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, you know, Mahomes. I think we could put Drake May there. So like guys, we can't recycle the same five and guess what? Not all of them are going to be those individuals. So you know, I think if someone that's probably started over 30 games in the like NFL that that's a good comp that one in the SEC. Yeah, that certainly, that certainly works a million percent.
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Andrew Ivins
All right, let's, let's stay here on the quarterback thing. We have a big one coming up, a big announcement coming up pretty soon and that's jaden Wade, number one player in the class of 2028. He's going to announce on Sunday finalists Georgia, Oregon, Texas, Ohio State, Washington, Michigan. Just a couple heavy hitters there, man. That's. That, that, that does not suck as far as an offer list. What. Like I'm a little bit less concerned about where he's going to go. Obviously we're going to watch his commitment and see where he goes. What do we like about the player? What, what makes Jaden Wade like the ability to be the number one overall player so far in 28.
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Bud Elliott
And I know this again it's like so early for a lot of listeners and you're talking about these sophomores. I mean Jaden Wade is, is the real deal. And you talk with different colleges that got him on campus to throw. They are all in on, on Jaden Wade. And Bud, when we ranked him number one in the 2028 cycle, it was one of those ones where it was like cross your fingers and let's hope this thing pans out. Because Jaden Wade had started one game at IMG Academy. He had spent last year backing up Ty Hawkins who signed with smu. Well, guess what? Jaden Wade he comes out in his sophomore campaign and he goes 9, 0, right? And he looks great doing it. 20 touchdowns to just two INTs, almost 400 yards rushing, a couple more scores on the ground. But I saw him at IMG's Pro Day and I'm like, this is the one, right? Everyone wants to kind of know who's next, who's next. And when you see them throw on air in these type of settings, it's easy to get really excited. And I left IMG Academy, I drove back home across the state and my, and I went through all the quarterbacks, I'm like, I think this is the guy. The staff at img, they've compared him to CJ Stroud. Now I think that's, that is certainly, you know, yeah, it's a lofty comp, but, you know, similar size. C.J. stroud was more of a late bloomer, whereas Jaden Wade's a kid that is kind of the protege. Right? You know, was identified very early by the IMG staff. He was their guy, spent his eighth grade year there on the depth chart. But I think he's a modern quarterback that can do the RPO game. He's, he's dangerous as a runner, you know, multiple 40, 50 yard runs this season at IMG Academy. He's obviously playing behind, you know, a college ready offensive line, but I, I thought his ability to make some high level throws this season, you know, deep balls, you know, anticipatory shots to the sideline. IMG has a ton of talent, but they got a lot of small wide receivers, so he's not getting bailed out a ton. And I, I thought the off platform stuff really, really stood out. The thing with Jaden Wade, which is really interesting, and you know, talking with some college contacts, talking with Tom Loy, national recruiting Insider for 247 sports, a lot of people think he could reclassify. Yeah, he's in the 28 cycle. You know, he could bump up into 20, 27 and you know, this time next year he's getting ready to sign with this school of his choice. And you know, I asked Jaden about it back in August at IMG's media day. Great conversation with him. The first thing I brought up is, hey, you know, everyone loves you, but you have no on field resume. And he's like, yeah, I know, but I'm gonna prove it this season. Well, he did. The second thing is when I brought up the reclassification, I said, you know, is this a possibility? And at the time, he kind of relayed that him and his camp felt like it made the most sense to get a ton of reps at the high school level. Now that could certainly change. Right? Obviously we're in the name, image and likeness era. There's got the compensation, but it seems like they have the right idea. It seems like they understand that getting and seeing a live pass rush, you know, yields better success on Saturdays and then potentially on Sunday. So one to track. And you know, I, I think whoever he picks on on Saturday or Sunday, you know, it's going to kind of reset the 2027 quarterback market because there is the chance that he will reclassify. I mean, he'll be a starter for two years at IMG Academy, same program that, that produced JJ McCarthy.
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Andrew Ivins
So I gotta ask here if you read classes him or Elijah?
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Bud Elliott
Oh, that's. That's a fun one.
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Andrew Ivins
Not on the rundown. I, I got Ivan's on the spot here.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, I, I think it's neck and neck, right? I think there's some more exit velocity with Jaden Wade. Kind of like how Elijah Haven's wired a little bit better kind of between the ears. But, you know, I think Jaden Wade would certainly be in that QB1 conversation for the 2027 cycle. And you know, bud, I mean, I think I study this reclassification stuff more than anyone else in the industry. And it's been, it's been fun to, you know, as we get more of a sample size, kind of see how these guys progress over their career. Cutter Bole at Kentucky, you know, he took down DJ Lagway on Saturday night. You know, he was a reclass first year there in Lexington against Louisville. It wasn't good, but he, he has certainly come along. Julian Lewis, we saw him over the weekend make his first start for Colorado. So, you know, as we get more data points in this reclassification thing, it's certainly allowing us to I think, kind of sort it out a little bit more. But, you know, if Jaden Wade can get to close to 24 starts in high school, I mean, you know, I think he would at least clear the threshold when it comes to that experience at the prep level.
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Andrew Ivins
I'm also curious. We need to add another layer to this study. Not to like workshop on air. I would factor in age. Like some of these guys are like they were holdbacks for whatever reason. Sometimes academics, sometimes it's, you know, other issues, like if you're reclassing up and you're like an old 18 entering college, I think that's different than if you're like, like if you're a true high school junior. Right. Like a guy who's turning 18, maybe Christmas of your senior year or maybe even like March or something like that. That extra year of, you know, development, bone structure, hormones, growth, everything. Like, guys are still growing 18, 19, a lot of times like that. I wonder if we'd layer that in. Like, Julian Lewis was older, right? Like he, he jumped back up.
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Bud Elliott
So I've done, I've done again, I've done a lot of research on this topic. Talked with guys in the NHL, like birthdays in the.
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Andrew Ivins
Oh, the Gladwell book. Is it Blink or Outliers?
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Bud Elliott
This was a conversation with people in scouting and presidents. I do believe there's a book on that. The birthday thing's interesting right now because we also had the pandemic. You know, some of these states shut down. I don't think you can really fault parents for maybe wanting to send their kid back for another year after online schooling. So that has kind of something on monitoring that, that situation. The other thing, bud. And you know, I'm, I'm paraphrasing this stat, but it came from Brian Stumpf at the Elite 11 finals, and I think it's going to raise a lot of eyebrows, according to him. And, and I might not have this perfectly worded, but over the past 10 years, there hasn't been a quarterback drafted that turned 19 before their senior year of high school. Which is, it's something to keep an eye on because if you, if you usually do hold back a year, you could be 19 before the start of that senior season. Now you can turn 19 during, during that fall, but during the summer or the spring, that seems to be a no. No.
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Andrew Ivins
That's interesting. I know in Ford always the one we used to track was the we. We had it like with, with Calvin. Really? And Calvin Benjamin. So in Florida.
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Bud Elliott
19 9. 19 9. That's what I thought.
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Andrew Ivins
Yeah. So if you're, if you're 19 years and 9 months old, you can no longer play high school football. I think it's a little bit different for basketball. Like the spring sports might be a little bit older, but. Yeah, man. So fascinating to see. You know where Jaden goes. One more quarterback talk here before we get to a little maybe portal news and other stuff. Iowa has a quarterback committed who we actually like because the last one they had, we got a lot of gruff for saying this kid should play receiver.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah. Reezer.
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Andrew Ivins
Yeah. Like, okay, he's, he's a quarterback. But also I'd like to See him return kicks.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah. Over the, over the weekend, obviously. Iowa on the spotlight. The mothership. Some big recruiting news for them. They land trade on Bessinger, quarterback out of the state of Utah. Buddy was committed to Boise State. And the Broncos have lost two quarterbacks to Power 5 programs this year. Bryson Beaver also flipped to Oregon. Now they lose trade on Bessinger, who Bud, having as good of a senior season, or I should say had as good of a senior season as anyone in America. Threw for over 4,000 yards, led his team to the quarterfinals in Utah's 6A playoffs. But he's tracking to be the second highest ranked quarterback signee of all time for the Hawkeyes. Could finish as the highest one at least in the 24, 7 sports era. He is 6 foot 4, he can rip it. Easy velocity, easy torque from the upper half. He's mobile, got a basketball background, can move around a little bit. Kind of reminds me of Carson Strong, remember the Nevada quarterback? Really good deep ball with him. Here's the thing. But I think he can, he can play like an up tempo attack and I think he can also play in a balanced attack. And what I really like about trade on Basinger, he's got over 1,000 career pass attempts at the prep level, over 10,000 passing yards at the prep level. So you think about Iowa and their quarterback situation moving forward. I don't know if Bessinger is going to be in the mix maybe year one, but theoretically, I mean this kid has seen a lot, right? And that should potentially have him in the conversation to play sooner rather than later. So I think if you're Iowa, hey, you got a guy that can rip it around the yard, you know, what does that look like moving forward? I don't know. But, but this is a quarterback to get excited about.
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Andrew Ivins
So I mean now it's proof of concept that Iowa is like actually trying to run an offense, which is helpful. The next step. Stay with me here receivers. I think we should add some more high level receivers into the mix. But like I know it's a guy you've been high on for quite a while. That's a tough look for Boise. Shoot like, like two nice evals. Who, who later flip, you know, to bit to bigger time schools there. All right, let's hit a quick break as my IFB falls out and on. On the flip side, we will talk a little transfer portal and recruiting.
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Andrew Ivins
Hey, welcome back here to the COVID 3 podcast recruiting hour. That's Andrew Ivins on Bud Elliott and we are going to talk a little maybe quarterback transfer portal. We're gonna say potential targets. These guys are certainly not in the portal. I think their schools may or may not want to or be able to hold on to them. Obviously last week we talked about C.J. bailey at NC State. Obviously State very much wants to hold on to him and their fans let us know. But certainly we think he's a a rising star for sure. I don't know if you know this on Saturday, but Lane Kiffin retweeted the post that noted that DJ Lagway had been benched for the Gators. Again, I just don't. I, I do know why he didn't shut it down, but he never looked like healthy and comfortable to me this season and last year those games against LSU at Ole Miss were like some of the most impressive games any quarterback had had in the course of the season. So lack of an off season, lack of an off season with healthy receivers as well. I, I kind of thought he should just shut down and come back healthy. He had the year to play with, but he ended up playing and gutting it out and they ended up benching him. He did not play well for sure. Also, Florida's defense was doing a lot of like the, you've seen the TSA meme where the guy just like barely passed the dude down and lets him pass like it. Florida was not, they didn't really want to be there, at least defensive. I don't think in that ball game they put in Trel Jones who didn't do much. What do you think on Lagway? Like does he, does it matter who gets hired as head coach there? Do you like what do you think? He seems to change a scenery to get out of this thing.
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Bud Elliott
But my question for you, I mean, hey, we're both located in Florida. Is the Florida fan base going to give DJ Lagway a chance? I think that was his fifth career multi interception game and you can no longer point the finger at Billy Napier. So where my mind went on on Saturday Night is, does DJ Lagway just, just need a, a reset? And you know, I think if you're Florida and whoever comes in, we've seen the peaks of DJ Lagway, the reasons why he was ranked as a five star prospect at the same time. I mean he is still very much a work in progress. I think defenses have, have figured him out. I go back to the, the Miami game. I think he was pressing too much. I don't really know what happened against Kentucky, right? I mean it did not look good. And bud, I said, my mind goes, you know, does he need a reset? Where, where could DJ Lagway end up? He's a kid from Texas, right? So we know the Long Horns, we know the Longhorns have, have Arch A and M's gonna welcome back Marcel Reed who is going to be off a college football playoff run. You know, his dad played at Baylor. I mean Baylor makes sense to, to some degree. But I look at some of these schools where there's job openings and the quarterback situations up in the air, that would be like lsu, that would be like Auburn. You know, does he make sense at one of those or does he go the Dante Moore path If, if he does want to leave Gainesville and goes and sits right? Remember when Dante Moore left ucla, he told Oregon staff, hey, I want to come learn, I want to come study. You know, I need a break. Sits behind Dylan Gabriel and we all saw what he was able to do, you know, with that throw on on Saturday against Iowa to set up the game winning field goal. So Dante Moore, you know, has had a heck of a season. I don't know what makes sense for DJ Lagway, but I think something's got to change. And you're right, I think a lot of it's going to hinge on who's hired. But at the same time, you know, Lincoln Riley was very involved in that recruitment. You know, do you go sit at USC and, and battle it out with Husson, Longstreet post, Jada Maeva? I mean, if I'm a usc, I'd be certainly open to that idea. But something's got to change.
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Andrew Ivins
100 going through the list of teams that might need a quarterback next year, just staying in the sec, lsu, Auburn, Missouri or like, do they trust dollars that much? I mean, he was like unplayably bad this weekend, unfortunately.
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Bud Elliott
I mean, come on, we, we all knew that.
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Andrew Ivins
Arkansas. Arkansas.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah. I mean, Taylor Green point to him as an example.
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Andrew Ivins
Right? Exactly. I mean, new offense coming in obviously, but unless they hire Petrino Georgia? No. South Carolina? No. And I wouldn't go to South Carolina with the offensive line situation, especially if Sellers comes back, you know, shoot, TCU loses Josh Hoover, like, how much do they really like the backup? I probably wouldn't risk going to Oklahoma State just given the magnitude of the rebuild, like running through. But a guy of that talent, I love the idea of sitting and developing, but also like the upside he has, somebody's gonna pay him to bet on the upside, right?
- [31:30]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, well, and then I kind of put, you put him in this box. You start going through the scenarios, bud, and it's like, is he going to be ready to step in and take the team to the College Football Playoff or is he more of like the building block for the rebuild, knowing, hey, two years out and you try to find that landing spot? I, I, it's, it's fascinating. And at the end of the day, I mean, he could absolutely, you know, stay at Florida. We're not saying he's, he's leaving Florida. I just, I want to know how the next few weeks go if, if, if the pressure just mounts on, on DJ Lagway and he does need a clean slate.
- [32:11]
Andrew Ivins
There's a team down in South Florida that's going to need a quarterback. You know, there's a lot of, a lot of potential options there. All right. Another guy here, Julian Lewis, who finally got a chance to do like the full on starter thing. I know West Virginia's defense is not great, I get it, but like kind of a very rough start to that game and then came on pretty strong. If Dion doesn't have like one of the all time master classes of game mismanagement and I mean like I tweeted and I was trying to do this in a sense to protect myself legally. I was like, I don't think Deion Sanders shaving points, but if he was trying to, this is exactly how I'd want him to do it. I mean, they could have won that game. Like, Lewis was playing pretty well, he was dealing and I mean, I don't know like how much of a step up in competition he can handle. But also, it's not like Colorado is like super buttoned up right now. Maybe some more structure around him might, might help.
- [33:00]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, what, what is going on at Colorado? I mean, they're three and seven. They are have the number 79th ranked recruiting class and I know a lot of Colorado people out there, a lot of, a lot of prime backers will point out this is where they always are in the rankings. And then they have some, some fireworks and some excitement around siding day and then they're going to go into the transfer portal. Well, everyone's kind of mining the transfer portal now. And you know, it's three weeks till signing day. I don't see a ton of visitors showing up. So I just have questions about the roster construction, bud. I mean again, I've been kind of saying this for like over a year. It doesn't seem like this is sustainable what they're trying to build here. So you know Julian Lewis, does he explore his options? Julian Lewis is a guy that had had no shortage of, of suitors. And you know, I thought he had some, some really impressive throws against West Virginia for a kid that was sacked seven times.
- [34:00]
Andrew Ivins
Jordan Seaton didn't play like they, they had some really important guys missing. Yeah.
- [34:05]
Bud Elliott
So you know, another one, I mean, I think he's a point guard back there, right. Like he is not the biggest guy but he gets the ball out fast, accurate to the first and, and second levels. You know, he is a reclassification, but he's a kid that was doing it since he was a ninth grader in Georgia's highest classification. So you know, Colorado to me, but we used to always was like Colorado, Colorado, Colorado, Colorado. And that has all faded I think for, you know, a variety of different reasons. Travis Hunter's off in the NFL, but like if you want to open up the hood, what is going on here in terms of the recruiting?
- [34:41]
Andrew Ivins
Yeah, he kind of built a team, not a program, you know, which look very familiar to, you know, me and Tallahassee. Right. So yeah, it makes you wonder. He's saying all the right things. I read the Colorado message boards obviously and I know our Colorado 247 sports master sports, real active and so people think they might have like a new assistant staff there next year potentially. Although I thought the DC last year did a great job. I mean he kept them in like so many games, especially when Shador was getting dinged up. Like. Yeah, it doesn't feel like that's a long term situation there for Dion as things are currently going and I guess we'll have to see if you know, the situation is going to be there for, for Julian. I mean there are some teams that are, they're going to have some money to spend that are going to need a QB for sure next year. Like I would think some teams in the Big Ten like no doubt that. And what's happening Michigan State, like if they keep Jonathan Smith, they're going to probably have to go pretty Heavy portal. Assuming Charles goes elsewhere. Right. Like, they've already kind of benched him a little bit, so.
- [35:41]
Bud Elliott
But I'm gonna. I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat here. Julian Lewis was heavily considering Indiana last season. You know, Mendoza off to the league. Except it's the Mendoza brothers. His younger brother is there as well. So I, you know, they were just talking this thing out loud. I mean, Colorado has lost two of their best commits or. Or one of them so far. Gavin Mueller, the tight end, taking a ton of visits. North Carolina's getting involved there. Miami's getting involved there. Emmanuel Ruffin Ed commits. And I just. I. I don't. I don't know. Like, I don't know if there is a Jordan Seaton in this recruiting class. I don't know if There's a Cormani McLean in this recruiting class. I don't know if there's a Julian Lewis. I don't know if there's a Dylan Edwards. Like, where are those difference makers that. That prime has had up his sleeve in the past?
- [36:32]
Andrew Ivins
I. I agree with you. All right, one more here. As we think about potential transfer portal options. Drew Mestemaker at North Texas, who actually never started the game in high school. The first game he started was the bowl game last year. I remember talking to Cole Kublick about that, who was calling the game. He's like, yeah, man, they love this kid. Okay, cool. And North Texas is like. North Texas is probably the third favorite in the G5 to make the College Football Playoff, which is kind of wild, right? USF1, JMU2. And if not USF from the American, North Texas, due to the schedule, is in kind of prime position. Even though, you know, USF really dog walked in there in Denton. This guy's good. And he's not just like, hey, like, ball placement. He's got some actual tools to him. I know that's a. A league. It doesn't play a whole lot of defense. I know they have a lot of nice pieces around him. The back's really good, too. And the offense is very creative. And Eric Morris is very likely up for a job. A lot of people are floating the idea of, like, those two is a package deal wherever they go. I'm like, this guy might be better than where Eric Morris ends up. Like, he might be a little more in demand than Eric Morris, you know, unless, like, Eric Morris gets, like, Arkansas, and then I'm sure Arkansas might be all in on that.
- [37:42]
Bud Elliott
You know, whose profile is, like, kind of similar to. Is Fernando Mendoza. You Know who was not talked about it in the past on the COVID three recruiting hour. Like was not this prolific high school quarterback. Like completed three passes in a game against Shaman Madonna Prep as, as a senior. Bud who's like the only other quarterback I could think about that started college games and ended up, you know, making the NFL that didn't start in high school was. Was Kyle Trask. Is there anyone else that comes to mind for you?
- [38:12]
Andrew Ivins
There's a corollary here, but it's different and it's Matt Castle who never started games ever at USC and still made the league and actually started games in the league. I think where he. But I assume he started. If you end up at usc, you're very likely having started games in high school. I mean this is a long time ago, but I mean he's born in 82, so he. Yeah, he definitely started games in high school. He was a top living top 100 guy. He just sat behind. Would that have been what Liner and.
- [38:41]
Bud Elliott
Mark Sanchez back when there was no Portal Bud.
- [38:44]
Andrew Ivins
Correct. Like this guy would not have been around in the Portal era. Somebody would like he would have found a way to rip his, his practice film, you know, up front from usc and he ended up starting like several games in the NFL. Yeah, but dude, he started 81 games in the NFL which after never starting a game at USC, which is pretty wild, you know.
- [39:05]
Bud Elliott
Well, hey, if, if, if him. If the quarterback and the. And the coach are a package deal, got to toss in the running back, Caleb Hawkins.
- [39:14]
Andrew Ivins
He's good.
- [39:15]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Gabe Brooks on, on our scouting team. Just like love this guy coming out. And Gabe Brooks is a UNT graduated and I think he was too nervous to like try to push for that four star status. I mean he finishes a high three for us. He was one of like, you know, top 40 running back. He's been awesome.
- [39:34]
Andrew Ivins
I mean 100, like it's going to be a really. There's so many more guys out there too. We'll continue to discuss it as we get in the portal is not for another, you know, another six weeks here, but no longer, not actually nine weeks. There's gonna be a lot of quarterback movement for sure. Because like different coaching staffs are going to want different types of players around there. There's guys at the existing schools. You're like, yeah, that's the incumbent. And the guy gets in. There's like, that's not the guy I want. Right. You let him know it's.
- [39:58]
Bud Elliott
It's musical chairs. That's, that's what that's what it's going to be. I mean.
- [40:03]
Andrew Ivins
100, like, is Kyron Drones a senior? Gotta be, right? He's 22 years old.
- [40:12]
Bud Elliott
I would think so, yeah.
- [40:13]
Andrew Ivins
Okay, so like, he wouldn't count, but I'm just trying to think like some of these schools, you know, like Daniels at Auburn, Right. That's probably not the guy. Probably not saying definitely that the new coach at Auburn's gonna want, but he actually put up pretty good numbers against Vandy. Granted, a lot of that was just Cam Coleman winning jump balls. What looked like finally the Cam Coleman we saw just kill the Under Armour practice and nobody could guard him at all. Right. But like, that could be one to move. Is Van Buren a guy at LSU who the new coach is going to want? If not, like, he's played some okay ball in the sec, like, he'll go start somewhere. If it's not at lsu. There's. There's plenty of guys like that, man, I'm really interested to see.
- [40:52]
Bud Elliott
Does Matier have another year at Oklahoma?
- [40:55]
Andrew Ivins
He does okay. Yeah. I. I think he should use it, but some people think he goes pro. I just think like, another year of processing and learning would. Would really kind of, you know, kind of help him. I mean, there's so many guys out there who like. Does Per Bull have another year or was that his last year?
- [41:12]
Bud Elliott
I would think he's got it. Yeah. I don't know. Can he Medical? No. Right.
- [41:17]
Andrew Ivins
Can't. That was an October injury, so almost certainly not unless you get the five for five. But, like, it's gonna be ruled on in December. Potentially ruled on in December, it looks like.
- [41:26]
Bud Elliott
But I mean, here's another one like Penn State run, you know, like re ranked him high. I think you've seen the flashes. But is. Is whoever's taking over is grump the guy.
- [41:38]
Andrew Ivins
You know, system's gonna matter a whole lot. A whole lot. Like, like, it's, it's talent and it's also fit and preference and familiarity. Like, if you're a new coach coming in, you may go get a guy you just, you know, fits what you want to run. Even if he's not great. Just so you're not. You don't bomb out in year one. Like, having a terrible year one can definitely impact your recruiting going forward. It impacts your whole, like, you know, tenure there. Got to get off on the right foot in many cases, especially with the pressure that what Signetti is doing in Indiana is putting on everybody else here. All right, let's. Let's shell the rest of the quarterback recruiting talk there. I want to get into a little beef, man. This was, this was kind of fun. Not, not a lot of people are watching this game. I had Syracuse plus 29 and a half. So I was very interested in this game actually. It was just kind of a hold your nose and, and, and embedded type situation in Miami. So Fran Brown and Mario like pretty going at it and that was 38, 10 Qs. Mario tries to punch one in super late and does Syracuse comes back down the field, gets the COVID which I thought was, was the right side there, but they're like going at it. And we think this probably has a little genesis in recruiting.
- [42:41]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, but the ESPN cameras pick this up. I mean you could find it on social media. These, these guys between a timeout I think are, you know, have crept towards the numbers and are screaming at each other. Have never seen anything really like it. And I did some investigating because I want to know what sparked this. You know, initially where your mind goes to is last year's result, right. When Syracuse beat Miami kept them out of the playoff and talking with some of the guys at Inside the U. These two do not get along and I think a lot of it stems from, from recruiting. Right. So we got like throwback negative recruiting going on and Syracuse ever since Fran Brown has taken over has been very involved in the Sunshine State, specifically in, in the South Florida Tri county area and even you know, more zeroed into Miami Dade. Right. They have five star wide receiver Calvin Russell committed. Calvin Russell's mom played basketball at Miami. She's in the hall of Fame there. According to Gabby Arudia at Inside the U, Calvin Russell was at the game on Saturday. He had one of those house divided T shirts between Syracuse in Miami. I don't know if it was a jersey, I still haven't seen the photo. So he had one of those going on. I just, I, I get a feeling that there's a lot of, of negative stuff being said between the two parties and I'm sure it's easy to imagine what Fran Brown is telling recruits about Mario Crystal Ball and I'm sure it's easy to imagine what Mario Crystal Ball is telling recruits about Fran Brown and, and Syracuse right now. So certainly something to keep an eye on just because like it's playing out with this five star recruit. Syracuse also flipped a, a DB from, from Florida State to Darius Hughes who is Calvin Russell's high school teammate. Remember Miami Northwestern is where Teddy Bridgewater was the head coach up until a few months ago and now he's back in the NFL.
- [44:46]
Siya Najad
Just some.
- [44:46]
Bud Elliott
Some type of rivalry and. But, like, I couldn't figure it out. I'm like, did Fran Brown and Mario work together somewhere previously? No. This is just, like, all playing out over the past, I don't know, six months.
- [44:58]
Andrew Ivins
They also, like, they're no stranger to each other on the recruiting trail because, remember, like, before Fran was surprisingly landing some of these kids at Q, he was one of Georgia's ace recruiters as well. Like, yeah, they would certainly recruit South Florida, you know, pretty hard at uga. So, like, I think they're no strangers. This is. This is. I, like, this little deep dive on this beef. This is fun. Something we got to keep watching.
- [45:18]
Bud Elliott
I mean, everyone just is like, we've. Recruiting's gotten to the point where, hey, my school doesn't get the kid. It's. Well, you know, they paid more and this and that. Like, again, there is still, like, some relationship building. There's still negative recruiting. Like, I love to see it.
- [45:32]
Andrew Ivins
Like, we both know it. Like, if your school has to be the highest bidder on every kid, that is a wildly inefficient process. Like, you know, we both talk to recruiting guys like, God, I hate my head coach. Like. Like, he allows. He allows assistance to be, like, just to say, hey, just go buy the kid, right? Like that. That's not how it works. If you can get a kid to take an 80 offer of what the other school's offering because he actually likes you, because you actually, like, built a relationship and you showed up, like, a progressive plan of how the kid fits what you do and how you can do things for him, you can get a discount on kids like it. And I think Mario does a good job on it. Like, Miami's clearly the highest bidder quite often, but not always, right? Like, they do build real relationships with guys. And, you know, Fran's obviously a great relationship builder as well, so, you know, two guys who do care an awful lot about recruiting. It sucks the quarterback went down for cues, you know, because, like, they did have that nice win at Clemson. They were, let me say, fraudulent. They're probably a little over their skis as far as record versus power rating, but, like, they were clearly not going to fall off a cliff with the quarterback they brought in. He goes down for the year, and they had to play Ricky Collins and a host of other guys. It just hasn't really. The passing office just kind of not. Not there this year, but something we'll continue to monitor for sure as it comes down the stretch. I want to see this, this shirt, by the way, because, like, I think the first person I ever seen saw do this. Do you remember A.J. hawk?
- [46:55]
Bud Elliott
That's what I was gonna say. That's who I thought I was like. That's who started it.
- [46:59]
Andrew Ivins
Right? You're like, you're like just old enough people remember this kind of stuff. It's good. Yeah. It. So A.J. hawk, for the listeners at home, Fiesta Bowl, I think it was Ohio State. Notre Dame. Hawk was a backer for Ohio State, but his sister was dating Brady Quinn. Right. Who was currently. Yeah. Who is, you know, obviously Notre Dame starting quarterback. So. Oh, oh, Brady quinn sister. Not A.J. hawk's sister. Mikey, correct us in the chat. Excuse me. It was definitely a sister. And she had the split jersey, which was a lot of airtime there.
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- [48:58]
Andrew Ivins
Good luck. All right, keeping this thing moving. I want to hit on some recent, some scouting of some recent commits and flips. This one hurts, man. Jay Timmons leaves Florida State, flips to Ohio State. I used to play cards with Lawrence Timmons dude at Florida State. Like good dude. And ah, like I know Florida State's recruiting is falling apart. This one's like oh, you gotta be kidding me. Because this kid can really play it.
- [49:29]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. But I've been trying to scream from the top of the mountains like Ohio State, they're going to close strong. They also just added last week you screamed it. Yeah. Legend Bay, a dynamic athlete out of Texas. He just flipped from Tennessee to Ohio State. Jay Timmons to me, bud. I love the football player here. Like he is one of the best players in the state of Pennsylvania doing it in an extre, extremely tough league. Ohio State is searching for cornerback help. Right? That's what they are, are looking for. You know, Jay Timmons. To me, can he play on the outside? I don't know. I kind of like him more as a nickel. I mean he's a guy that does it in all three phases. You know, under 5 foot 11. But he has all the athletic markers that you want. And, and, but as I got into his senior tape last week, you know who he reminds me of is Trent McDuffie.
- [50:21]
Andrew Ivins
Oh, okay. Yes.
- [50:23]
Bud Elliott
And I went back, went through some old data and man, like they're testing, their measurables are identical and Trent has played on the outside in the NFL. So I think for Ohio State this is, this is a huge addition. And they are one of these programs right now that is in an advantageous position because there is certainty there, there is continuity. They are going to play for a playoff. So they're able to go around and go after kids that are committed elsewhere and they're more importantly they're going after kids that are playing excellent as seniors. Where the arrows are, are clearly pointing up. Obviously you know, Jay Timmons has the NFL bloodlines and I think a kid like that, you can see it on tape that they grew up around the game. They just, they, they process, diagnose it just a little bit faster than everyone else. The physicality is there. So huge addition for Ohio State. And then the other guy they got mentioned him a few minutes ago, Emmanuel Ruffin. Rufin. Big, you know, potential building block up front as good as Ohio State has been. Kind of one of the issues for them, I think, has been the point of attack recruiting on the defensive side of the ball. Now they have some guys playing out of their minds this season, you know, but they haven't really been able to get all of those targets. And to me, Ruffin, like, get into his senior tape, and I'm like, how is this guy going to Colorado? I thought he had a elite workout. I mean, he is six foot four. You know, he's 310 pounds. He's got a little tightness in the lower half, but in combine drills, I mean, he moved like a cat. I was. I was kind of shocked by that. So Ohio State gets him, you know, one of these big bodies. You drop roofing in the transfer portal and be like, hey, this guy's played 500 snaps. He's going to have a high price tag. So, so kudos to Ohio State, which, you know, has a lot of homegrown players, meaning high school talent playing for them in key moments. And I think Emmanuel is a guy that, you know, maybe two, three years down the line you're going to see on your TV screens.
- [52:24]
Andrew Ivins
He does a really nice job of not getting the office, of not giving the office alignment his chest. Like, he. He gets skinny, keeps an arm free in those highlights. Like that. That's pretty impressive stuff, man. Like, that's. That's. I mean, obviously the testing number are great, but, like, that's good hand work from him. Like, just watching that, like, they're not getting clean shots on him. And it's not all just like, crappy offensive line play in high school. Like that. That's really impressive. You know, two defensive guys there. I was talking to somebody who played Ohio State this year. I was like, all right. So when they're. Because he watches the show, like, I think Ohio State might just be a level up from everybody else. He's like, dude, we just don't see opposing defenses run that variety of coverage and be good at it. Like, some teams try to do a bunch of stuff and they just, you know, jack of all trades, master of none, and they're like, running a lot of different scheme and somehow running it clean. Granted, like, they have great players and they have really, really good coaches, so that's a good recipe.
- [53:14]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, well, they got. They got the cheat code back there, Caleb Downs, right.
- [53:17]
Andrew Ivins
And they Marvel Reese, who's kind of the cheat code at the second level. Like, that's. I mean, but, like, having a guy with Timmons versatility allows them to kind of keep. I'm glad you had the McDuffie comp too, because I was thinking honey badger, but like, I think he's. It's a different player.
- [53:32]
Bud Elliott
And you know, I vetted this player comp, Cooper Sagna at, at CBS Sports. You know, he was at Washington when they recruited Trent McDuffie. And I said, hey, I'm getting, I'm getting McDuffie vibes with, with Jay Timmons. You know, take me back to that recruitment. He's like, it was a guy where, you know, he was below the line. Below the line. But as a senior out in the Trinity League in California. So it's kind of like the WPIAL in Pittsburgh. He was the best player on the field, right? And they just took the shot and, you know, they said, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna overlook this. He's gonna be the exception for us. And he turned out to be a really, really good football player. And I think to what you said about, hey, the different coverages and getting exotic, you want a guy like Jay Timmons where again, he's been around the game like he is a processor and Caleb Downs, it's the same thing. Like, brother played in the league, dad played in the league, uncle played in the league. You know, you need those type of guys that, that can, can read and diagnose 100.
- [54:32]
Andrew Ivins
Man. That is. That is a really impressive prospect. Ohio State just, I mean, Chip was talking about this other day, like, if they run this and they go undefeated in the college ball playoff era and win the whole damn thing after what they did last year, that's probably like the most impressive two year run of anybody in the history of college football. Like, just given the number of good teams you got to play. I'm sure there's other debates, but, like, Oklahoma went like four years without losing or whatever, but.
- [54:58]
Bud Elliott
And then I saw on X the Everything app, someone was like, man, imagine Cam Coleman opposite of Jeremiah Smith.
- [55:06]
Andrew Ivins
I said that.
- [55:06]
Bud Elliott
Oh, is it you?
- [55:07]
Andrew Ivins
They rip my take. Oh, gosh. I was like, Carnell Tate's going to the league. Like, if you're Ohio State, if you get Cam Coleman, you kind of lock it up, right? Like, they're not losing to that team. It's like if Florida State still had Randy Moss on the Peter Work Laverneus Coles team, like, they're just, you know, sim to next year. This is not going to be a thing. That'd be wild. That was our take on what Coleman would command in the portal. By the way, did pretty well, not amongst Auburn fans though. They're not. They're not loving that. But it's not like Auburn's hurting for money. I'm sure if they really want to keep them, they can just pony up and also get some semblance of quarterback play. All right, we'll end on this summer. Oh, no, actually, we're not getting on this yet. We have to talk about J.J. dunigan going to Miami. Hurricane's up to the number 11 recruiting class. What do we like about him?
- [55:51]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, Miami, same category. I know they're on the outside looking in right now with the College Football Playoff, but Mario is there, right? And they are as funded as anyone, they're as aligned as anyone with their collective. They are aggressive on the recruiting trail and they too are picking their spots, picking their battles. J.J. dunnigan, a kid out of Kansas. All right, six a defensive player of the year. He is a big frame defensive back. I think he is a turbo charged chess piece, bud. You know, we list them as a corner. I'm always going to try to play these big guys out on the boundary. I think Miami likes the idea of him more at safety, but he's bringing versatility to Coral Gables and, and Corey Heatherman, you know, the defensive coordinator there, he comes from Minnesota. You know, who knows if he's going to be there in 2026. I'm sure he's going to have some suitors, maybe in the NFL. But he's a guy where he blurs the positional lines. And J.J. dunnigan was committed to Kansas. I love this kid because every time I've seen him in a best on, best setting, he's been one of the best players on the field. He played in the Under Armour All America game as a junior last year. Had an interception in that. We got him at the overtime. OT7 championships, had an interception there. So this is a kid that dominates Kansas competition. But when he has leveled up and been alongside a bunch of other blue chippers, you know, he has made plays the profile that the numbers they spit out. Azarea Thomas, who was at Florida State, fourth round pick, you know, same thing. A lot of people thought safety ended up playing corner. I think it's a big get for the Hurricanes. They're not done here. They've had a ton of visitors there. I really like what Miami's doing on the defensive side of the ball. Like they are getting guys where it's like rush, crush, close play, fast, physical. It seems like Mario and that staff are trying to target those individuals and they're doing it from the high school talent acquisition standpoint.
- [57:46]
Andrew Ivins
If you had Cam Ward on this team, is Miami the co favorite to win the national title?
- [57:54]
Bud Elliott
Can I pick another player besides Cam or do you think, do you think he just like unlocks?
- [58:00]
Andrew Ivins
Yeah, I just think he's. I think he's way better than the version of Beck they got. But I could be wrong. Who's the other player?
- [58:05]
Bud Elliott
Like a game breaking receiver maybe?
- [58:07]
Andrew Ivins
Sure. Yeah, I can definitely see that compliment.
- [58:10]
Bud Elliott
Malachi. Tony.
- [58:12]
Andrew Ivins
Yeah.
- [58:12]
Bud Elliott
If you a guy we talked about a few weeks ago, like K.J. duff. What if, what if K.J. duff's in the mix?
- [58:19]
Andrew Ivins
Totally. No, that makes a lot of sense. I, I lean quarterback is because visual importance. But like Beck doesn't suck. He's just probably not what they had hoped he would, you know, bounce back to. I guess like he's not unplayable, clearly. All right, let's finish on this. All right.
- [58:33]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, there's one, one recruit I want to hit on here because.
- [58:35]
Andrew Ivins
Yeah, please.
- [58:36]
Bud Elliott
No, the last one. This is the last recruit. We'll talk about Matt Sieg, safety out of Pittsburgh. Right. So we're just staying up there in the Steel City, bud. This guy has rewritten the record books in the wpial and I hope I'm saying that right. Or if it's W I P A L Jon Gruden apparently called Matt last week and is trying to pitch the Penn State commit on playing for Pat Narduzzi and the Panthers. The only issue is Indiana and Sig is involved here. Notre Dame, Marcus Freeman, they just hosted Matt for an official visit over the weekend. And then how about this, this third school that's kind of bucking above their weight class. West Virginia with, with Rich Rod. They are a program that is doing some things here. They're going after some of these Penn State commits. I mean it makes sense, you know, kind of in that same regional location. I love Matt though. High school quarterback, four year starter. He's going to be a defensive projection. We're going to get him at the Navy All American Bowl. You know, if you're looking for a player comp. I'd love to say like Coy Parich. I think he's more Dan Jackson at. Who was at Georgia. Right. Ended up walk on turn NFL draft pick. But he's a hard nosed football player. I think he fits all of those programs right where they have these safeties that just generate turnovers. Just, just a fun top 100 recruit to follow where it's kind of up in the air with three weeks to go. And again, Indiana, you know, can they get this blue chip recruit? We really haven't seen Signetti be able to do that in the high school ranks. Notre Dame, Marcus Freeman, you want to talk about a recruiting class where you can see that they are continuing to improve that roster. I mean, Notre Dame, the depth of the recruiting class, I, I haven't seen anything like it from them back when Brian Kelly was there and then, and then Rich Rod with, with West Virginia and then whoever takes over at Penn State. So I, I just think it's one where it's fun and there's gonna be a lot of twists and turns here, you know, over the next three weeks. And who knows, maybe this stretches into February signing day.
- [60:43]
Andrew Ivins
I mean, I'm also picking up a lot of this, like it's a nice year for the state of Pennsylvania. Whoever gets in there like gets that job. I'm saying, hey guys, let's get that money cannon loaded, right, bud?
- [60:58]
Bud Elliott
Like, the 2027 class, I think is like the golden age in Pennsylvania. And I said that when, you know, James Franklin stepped down, I mean, coming into the season it was like, okay, Penn State's going to make another playoff appearance. They could win this whole thing. And that's going to, you know, parlay into a ton of success on the recruiting chart. This could be the year, that 2027 cycle where Penn State really does contend for a number one class, you know, you know, they've been in the top five or they've been knocking on the door of the top five and there's two five star prospects. Come on, spell the running back, Maxwell Hiller, the offensive lineman. But there's I think nine other guys we currently have as four star prospects. I mean it is loaded. The other thing too, bud, I, I took a trip out to Virginia Tech a few weeks ago with my wife. That job, to me, like, you can recruit Pennsylvania from Virginia Tech. Like you have no choice of, of hotbeds. Like, I didn't, I didn't really realize like the potential recruiting base for Virginia Tech there. I mean, you can get into the dmv, you can get into the Carolinas, you can get into Tennessee, you can get into Ohio, you Louisville if you wanted to. But no, you are right. Pennsylvania, the football continues to improve.
- [62:10]
Andrew Ivins
I don't think James, I don't think Penn State wants to see James Franklin bot Tech. Like, not that he would make the Hokies a better program than the nitty Lions, but if they're actually committed to spending and it's very clear. They did not spend, like, they lost their best players to the portal repeatedly, and they ended up being pretty good at the schools they went to. If they're actually spending, Franklin can recruit and, like, that's gonna be a pain in the ass for those schools in that region if he's pulling. Even if it's three or four kids a year that Penn State genuinely wants. Right. If it's, you know, Ohio State doesn't want that. Ohio State recruits, you know that area pretty well as well. Oftentimes, like, they don't want Notre Dame. Don't want to see that there. Like, not that Franklin's going to take them to a national title, but the ACC is extremely gettable right now. And if they're spending money, that's gonna be a major pain in the ass for other programs.
- [63:01]
Bud Elliott
You want to say, like, the ACC's gettable?
- [63:03]
Andrew Ivins
Yes, but. Oh, sorry.
- [63:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I. I think. I think Clemson is going to finish without a. With just one top 100 signee in the 24. 7 sports rankings. 1.
- [63:16]
Andrew Ivins
That's something we should discuss next episode because there's definitely something there.
- [63:20]
Bud Elliott
And then the other thing, you know, James Franklin, I think what makes him an attractive candidate? Like, think about all the transfers you could get from. From Penn State. Like, guys where it just doesn't work out with the next staff. And, like, that was a really good roster. I mean, how many of those guys you could just. On the 2D. Hey.
- [63:39]
Andrew Ivins
Yep. Come here.
- [63:40]
Bud Elliott
Familiar face. Like, that's not being discussed enough.
- [63:45]
Andrew Ivins
I completely agree, man. It's been a fun hour. Like, my head's spinning. I need my pen actually out so I can write down some of these ideas for next week. But this is. This is really fun. And guys, if you're enjoying this, make sure you're commenting. Make sure you are, you know, sharing it on your socials. I. I don't know if I want to talk recruiting every single week of the year, but, like, yeah, we could do like, 20 or 30 of these a year. That's. That's a. That's a nice cadence. And certainly, like, recruiting stuff does happen in the off season, so I've been enjoying doing this. Great. Ivan's great having you on. I love chopping it up. And let's. Let's keep rolling, buddy.
- [64:13]
Bud Elliott
Absolutely. But, hey, I'm still waiting for an invite to play your golf course. So post signing day, I'm looking for it Friday.
- [64:21]
Andrew Ivins
No. All right, I'll see you, buddy.
- [64:25]
Chip Patterson
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