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CFP First-Round Previews: Alabama-Oklahoma, Miami-Texas A&M, Tulane-Ole Miss & JMU-Oregon
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Chip Patterson
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Tom Fenelli
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Bud Elliott
Welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli.
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Danny Cannell
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Chip Patterson
And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Bud Elliott, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe Smash that like and come and join us in the chat. Aka the COVID 3 tailgate where they are getting fired up and ready for an extra special edition of Big Game Breakdown. Some of the biggest games of the year. That's right, the College Football Playoff first round. We are going to be giving you the X factors, the keys to the game in all four one game Friday, three game Saturdays, all four of the College Football Playoff first round games. But before we do that, speaking of bowl season, we loved our competition with you everybody in the tailgate. We enjoyed it with our our friends from Splash. And we just heard something hot off the presses, boys. We've got a new cover three bowl Pick them. That's right. Bowl season is here and we're teamed up again with Splash Sports for a bowl Pick Them contest. Zero entry fee and $5,000 in Splash Cash is on the line. Plus the ultimate bragging rights of getting to be supreme among the COVID 3 tailgate. Let me walk you through it. Here's how it works. Pick all bowl games against the spread. The twist. You pick one game as your best bet. That's worth double the points. So choose wisely. That best bet is everything. Do you ride with the playoff teams or fade the public on a spicy underdog? It's pure strategy. Confidence meets risk reward. First place takes home $1,500 in Splash Cash for a free entry. And we're paying out the top 10 spots. So you've got a legitimate shot to win cash even if you're not perfect in total. We're talking $5,000 in total prizes. Again, zero entry. All yours for the taking. Go to splash sports.com cover3. I'll say it one more time. Splash sports.com cover3 free to enter. Takes about two minutes. Lock in your picks and rep the cover3 community and let's find out who really knows ball Tom.
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Chip Patterson
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Tom Fenelli
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Chip Patterson
All right, we will send it to our legal team to dig into it. But, but yeah, it's right here on the headline. By the way. By the end of the show we are going to get to the latest portal buzz because we we've got DJ Lagway announcing that he's going to enter the transfer portal. Some thoughts on where he might go. We've got Lenora Sellers nearing a deal to return to South Carolina. The latest portal ins and outs, the latest coaching carousel. All that stuff's going to come a little bit later before we get out here. But we got to get to it.
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Tom Fenelli
It's big game breakdown.
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Chip Patterson
Before we jump into the big game breakdown, a quick shout out to Amazon Prime. Last minute holiday gifts. No problem. Prime's fast free shipping keeps you covered. Holiday wins delivered it's on Prime. We're gonna go in chronological order, which means we start on Friday night. Number nine, Alabama. At number eight, Oklahoma. One of a couple rematches that we've got here in this College Football Playoff. Dk, what do you think might be different about this edition? In addition to the setting, the time of day might be a little chilly. You know, we might have some conditions in Norman. What. What are you. How are you attacking this about in terms of what these teams might have learned from each other, what kind of adjustments we might see?
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Danny Cannell
I mean, if you listen to Kaylin DeBoer after the first game, he's like, we moved the ball just fine. We just need Ty Simpson not to throw a pick. Six, six. And we're okay. So I would expect Alabama to be a little bit more, I don't want to say careful. I just think they're going to try to have Ty Simpson play better. But I mean, for somebody who threw, what, 21 touchdowns, one interception through the first eight games, and then the last four had five touchdowns, four interceptions, I just, when I look at Alabama, that's the tailspin. Like, that's when it started to come unraveling for Alabama. And I don't know if it's a confidence thing with Ty Simpson, like, he was, know, all of a sudden rattled or it was teams realizing, oh, wait, they cannot run the football, so we don't have to worry about stopping the run. We can do, you know, we can blitz the passer, we can do anything we want, and we don't have to worry about them running the football. So I, I think this game is really interesting to see how, you know, what adjustments Alabama makes. I know Caleb DeBoer. I hope he thinks they're healthy. You know, is Jam Miller going to be back? Like, what they. Thirteen players were out for the SEC championship game. You know, how many of those guys come back? So I think, you know, I don't think you'll see much differently. You're just hoping that Ty Simpson plays better and takes care of. Better care of the football.
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Bud Elliott
I'm right there with you on this. I think. Look like, obviously, if you're Bama, you're like, hey, we moved the ball just finding these guys. We doubled up in yardage in the first matchup. We were the better team. Turnovers have a. They're not only luck, but they do have a large luck component. And especially turnovers for touchdowns, like an extremely large, like, obviously there's a pretty big randomness factor as far as turnovers. And then what Happens once you get, once you get the turnover. It's also like extremely random, you know. Otherwise like the best defense in the country would always lead the nation in turnovers forced and obviously like scores off turnover. So, you know, if you're baming okay, we just run it back. We do a little bit better with our bliss protection so that we don't get some of his kill shots on Simpson, which is a major question of mine here.
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Chip Patterson
Like, how healthy. Yeah, is he healthy?
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Bud Elliott
I mean, like, I, I know you've seen kind of the buzz on, on. On Twitter. I haven't seen anybody like, like a. I don't use the term like serious reporter. Like different people. The Burners.
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Chip Patterson
Hey, the Burners have been right about some stuff in the last couple of weeks.
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Bud Elliott
Burns been damn right on this Michigan stuff for a while. Yeah.
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Tom Fenelli
And.
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Chip Patterson
And my, my feed is unfortunately just needs a cleanse because it is just flooded with college football burners at this point. I look forward to that happening eventually. But yes, like, social media rumors are calling into question the. The health of Ty Simpson, who we haven't heard anything from Alabama, but I understand why you would ask that for sure.
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Bud Elliott
One of my big questions here is like, what does Oklahoma's offense look like? I mean it. I think we're assuming, hey, they're hot garbage. They've been bad all year. Like, they can't score more than 20 points. But we don't. Like, with. They've had what, like 17 days to prep for this. They didn't play an SC championship game, right? Like, they have not played in a while. Like, can they. They may not need more than like 24 to win this. So can you scheme up a couple scores? Can. I think Arbuckle is a hell of an office coordinator, right? Like, can he find a way to scheme open some stuff to. To play against tendencies and like give material some easy stuff that he can see because material doesn't read it out real well. We've talked about this on the show quite a bit. Like, can you find a way to make that happen? And like Bama, defensively, I mean, Xavian Brown went down in that game. Jefferson went down in that game. Overton didn't play. Like, those are some fairly important pieces for those guys. I don't know what their status is. I think that the spread says they're probably good to go. Otherwise, like, if you don't have all those dudes, is Bama really favored in Norman? But you know, like, overall, I, I think they're probably going to go. I would I would think. Or maybe they could have come back in the game and. And, you know, know, because the game didn't really matter in. In Atlanta or at least, or it was.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, like, they could have looked out there and said, well, look these, we're not going to put them back in. Like we said 28 to 7. But it felt like 50 to 7 with just the way that the competition had been tilted.
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Bud Elliott
I. I am curious to see if Bama cannot give up any freebies defensively because, like, if you've made this Oklahoma team drive, they have pretty much driven off a cliff, right? So can you not allow that huge touchdown to Satania, which has seemed to save their butts, what, like three games in a row now? So, like, that's my major question there.
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Tom Fenelli
We have spent a lot of this season talking about Oklahoma's offense, about how bad Oklahoma's offense is and how some of us don't want to see him in the playoff because we know that their offense isn't good enough to actually go on a run here. We've also talked about Alabama struggles in recent weeks. And in the first game, yeah, Alabama doubled above in yardage, committed three turnovers, lost.
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Chip Patterson
But.
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Tom Fenelli
But Josh Cuevas was their leading receiver in that game. He hasn't played in a game since. How healthy is he? Will he be one of the guys that returns? Because clearly that was a matchup they liked in the first game. But overall, Alabama's offense since the South Carolina game, so their last six games, they have finished with a negative EPA per play. In five of those games, the only time they finished with a positive was against Eastern Illinois. So in the last five games against FBS opponents, they are not playing well on offense. You look at the first seven games of the year, they averaged 3.43 points per drive. In those last five FBS games, that's been halved to 1.7. Their success rate in the first seven games was 46.3%. The last five, it's at 39%. Oklahoma in its last six games, 1.64 points per drive, 34.8%. So pretty much the same production Alabama's giving you. And we've talked about Oklahoma's offense all year. For the last half of the season, Alabama's offense has been performing slightly above Oklahoma's. So you're going into this matchup where they're now on the road. Unlike in the first game in Norman, they're banged up. We the rumors about Ty Simpson's injury, like, I don't know how Confident we should be in Alabama going on the road and winning this game. I think there's a very real chance that Oklahoma can win this one because like Bud mentioned, they've had nearly three weeks off by the time this thing kicks off. To be able to get ready for it and be able to just kind of figure some stuff out. They have the first game to understand what was working for them and what wasn't. I do think the bigger question will be can they run the ball against Alabama? Because they certainly couldn't run the ball against them in that first game. And I think they're going to want to try at least a little bit to establish that a bit just to. Because you don't want Mattier doing everything. Because when John feels like he has to do everything, that's when he really starts getting loose and crazy with the ball. So that's going to be interesting to me. And also going back to that first game, Alabama's been pass heavy all year. They throw the ball 55.2% of the time. That ranks 27th. But they threw the ball 61% of the time against Oklahoma. They didn't think they could run the ball and then it proved to them that they couldn't run the ball. So they just stopped trying to run the ball in that game. I think that you need to try to run the ball in this because if you look at their last two games, Simpson's been pressured on 41% of his drop backs against Auburn and Georgia. The offensive line has not been very good. People kind of know what Alabama's trying to do, defenses years back and going after it. You need to take like some of the literal weight off his back, if you catch what I'm saying, by handing it off and not making him do it all. So I, I think this could be kind of an ugly kind of rock fight kind of game.
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Bud Elliott
I'm curious to see how much tempo they go here, but meaning Bama, like, like they have played very slow this year. We saw this last year in the playoff a little bit. Like there are some teams, Ohio State, who played really slow throughout the year and then at times in the playoff, they broke out some tempo stuff. Man, it gets Venables like, they run so many different things on defense. Like I, I, if I'm Bam, I think I go a little more tempo and just give my offense more cracks at this.
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Chip Patterson
Like first of all, change your signs and then go tempo, right?
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, exactly. I, I think our Mason Thomas may play here, which has been big. He's Been out for the entirety so far. So I'm curious to see, like, does he go? I think Oklahoma is pretty healthy defensively. Like, the injury questions are more on the Alabama side for me.
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Danny Cannell
What's scary about Oklahoma, as you mentioned, our Mason Thomas, he goes, Taylor Wine's been awesome. Kind of stepping up in his absence. I mean, they've. So now they got depth to be able to shuttle through. But we haven't even mentioned who's going to have the biggest impact in this game. And it was huge in the first one. The kicker with the short shorts.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah.
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Danny Cannell
Just took home the Ray Guy award. Tate Sandell, Oklahoma's kicker. I'm telling you because I think we're all in agreement, like maybe a little tease for the locks later in the week. I mean, I think this is going to be a lower scoring game where possessions are at a premium, field goals are going to be at a premium. And I do think that's a significant edge to Oklahoma. And that one was one of the best, best kickers in the country on their side. And Alabama's kicking woes historically have always kind of stepped up to bite them a little bit. So I know they have a better kicker now, but I think that's gonna be. I think it's could be one of those games where field goal kicking is huge.
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Tom Fenelli
All right, Something to keep in mind then. If you're thinking about field goal kicking. Like, the temperature for this game is supposed to be in the 50s, so it's not going to be a frigid game.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah.
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Tom Fenelli
But current forecasts are saying the wind's going to be about 15 to 20 miles per hour during this one. Have an impact on that.
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Danny Cannell
Yep.
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Chip Patterson
It's going be windy in Norman. Coaching edge Alabama though, right?
- [17:59]
Bud Elliott
Yes.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, I think it's a really good chess match. Yeah, I think it's a really good chess match.
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Bud Elliott
Okay.
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Chip Patterson
Kaylin DeBoer in big games still pretty nails, you know, like, I understand we just saw him in the SEC championship, but the overall sample size of Kaylin DeBoer against ranked opponents is still kind of absurd. The thing that Alabama fans are frustrated about are especially last season and the opener against Florida State, the ones they're like, whoa, why, Why'd you lose that one? You had more talent usually, like, you should have taken care of business there. And you know, whether it's against Dan Lanning or who he's three zero, you know, whether it's against Steve Sarkeesian, whether it's against, you know, Kirby Smart just got his first win Against Kaylin Devore. It's what? Go ahead.
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Tom Fenelli
What's Caitlin's record against Brent Venables?
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Chip Patterson
Oh and one.
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Tom Fenelli
Oh and two.
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Chip Patterson
Oh and two.
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Bud Elliott
That's right.
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Danny Cannell
Last year as well. I do think Bud, Bud's point about Alabama's defense, like you just can't give up that one big play.
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Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
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Danny Cannell
Because I mean I watching Oklahoma's offense is so ugly and hard to watch and there Bud called it out. Last time Matier missed like a wide open throw. You could tell the crowd was starting to get restless like getting ready to boo and then bang. You hit Isaiah Satania coming on a crossing route. It was a pretty good throw from material to drop it down a little bit. But those are just back breaking. Especially in those low scoring games when one big one big player, two could be the difference. That to me is man tackling is going to be at a premium for Alabama. Like do not give up that big play.
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Bud Elliott
Totally agree. I also, I mean look, I think Oklahoma's defense is their nails and like part of the reason we think that is because they hold they make bad offenses look really bad. You can nitpick this a little bit and this is not sliding Oklahoma. It's just like hey, you know you got what Bryce Underwood and his first ever road start. You got Auburn when they were really, really a mess offensively against the quarterback you had in your building last year, Jackson Arnold. Right. You got Texas and they were not forgotten offense. This year you got South Carolina again like a bad off, like legitimately a bad offense this year, Ole Miss, no problems against you 34, right. Tennessee put up what, 27 on 456 yards offense. Bama went over 400 against them. So like the three offense and they played LSU which was you know, dumpster fire and offense. They played Missouri, you know which quarterback came back and didn't look, you know, anything special at all. Right. Like I almost defense is really, really good. Like don't want to get like this, this point taken out of context but the three offenses that I think we would define as like good or better all went 400 plus on them.
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Chip Patterson
I, I, I think it's just what your eyes tell you about the defensive line and just understanding of like well when you've got those guys and they're playing with their hair on fire and you've got some good scheme, then you know it's just going to cause you're just not going to be able to be on the front foot on offense. You're just gonna be really concerned about it great question from the tailgate. I'd like to bring it back here. Who do you think Indiana wants to win? The winner of this goes on to play Indiana and the Rose Bowl.
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Bud Elliott
I think you want Oklahoma.
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Tom Fenelli
I would rather have Oklahoma.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah I'd rather have a more one dimensional team.
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Tom Fenelli
I was actually able to ask an Indiana fan this last night and they.
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Bud Elliott
Said Oklahoma just because any Indiana is so good like not giving up freebies and I think, I think if you're signetti you're like hey the variance with Bama and those receivers is just bigger. They might beat our guys in one on ones like I, I just Oklahoma might be playing at a slightly better level on average maybe down the stretch and I think like to Tom's point that's fair but like if you don't give up freebies to Oklahoma's offense I think you fully expect to hold them to like the teens.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah and as bad as Ty Simpson has played there was a stretch where.
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Bud Elliott
He was really good.
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Danny Cannell
Like I would, I would be way more concerned about stopping Ty Simpson and those weapons as opposed to Mater.
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Tom Fenelli
Yeah and like to me the biggest difference between the Saban Tide and the deboer Tide we've seen the last two years is just the consistency. Whereas like you knew who you were getting with Sabins at Tide every single week. I still think that when Alabama plays its a game it is really good. It's just it doesn't play its a game every week now and we just.
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Chip Patterson
Haven'T seen it late season so it feels like it's been a long time since we've seen Alabama's best anything else here before we hit a break and then turn our attention to Saturday's triple header any other matchups to watch curiosities things that you're gonna be digging on during the week. I mean health right Is is for sure is is Alabama's fatal flaw it the health or is it the offense? Like if each team has one flaw that could expose and bounce them from this playoff bracket what's famous I think.
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Bud Elliott
You'D win this game with the same offense you've been running out there. If your defense makes Oklahoma's offense look as bad as it's been down the stretch if Oklahoma because you have a bunch of defensive guys out is scoring in the mid mid to high twenties then I think you're in a little more trouble.
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Chip Patterson
Coming up on the other side we turn our attention to Saturday's playoff game starting with Carson Beck, Marcel Reed, Miami, Texas A and M and more.
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Chip Patterson
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast, continuing with our big game breakdowns for the first round of the College Football Playoff. Now we've got Miami, the 10 seed, last team in the field going to take on Texas A and M. So this is a matchup that we saw a couple years ago. What was a Mario year one Jimbo last year? Was that. Was it the last year of Jimbo?
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Bud Elliott
And then yeah, that was. We all wanted under there hard and like one of the early in the week and then it got hammered and we're like still an under, I think. And it. Yeah, it was nasty.
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Chip Patterson
It was, it was a ground and pound type game. Now I will say that we've got offenses that can go out there and score a little bit here. I'm not going to, you know, tip my hand one way or the other on if I'm going to be looking at the total, but if you see it here, 51 and a half, watch it on YouTube.com cover three. Not expecting a, you know, fireworks, but not expecting anything close to that Alabama, Oklahoma Rock fight according to the odds makers. Tom here, what's as you start peeling this matchup back, what what are the most important parts to you?
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Tom Fenelli
A few things stick out to me that will be interesting to watch how they play out. One is Miami's been phenomenal down the stretch, but Miami hasn't played anybody for a while. And like this was when we were talking about Texas A and M Texas a couple weeks ago. Like they played Notre Dame earlier in the year. And it's like you do wonder if you go that long without playing a really, really good team, how prepared you're going to be when you have to face that really, really good team. And I think Miami's in a similar situation, so it will be interesting for them to do this against a very good A M team. But also I think the most interesting aspect of this is that they're playing on the road. And Miami's only played four road games this year and they lost one of them to smu. But offensively they've kind of been the same team on the road, but defensively hasn't been nearly as Good. When they, when they left Coral Gables, like they, they allowed point 62 points more per possession. Their success rate drops from 66% to 58. Their explosive rate explodes from 7% to 11 and a half and their past EPA goes from 0.20 per drop back to negative 0.05, which is a pretty significant can drop. So for whatever reason, defensively, they have not been the same team outside of Miami. And now they're going to be on the road in a very, very, very, very loud environment and it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see how they adapt to that and how they handle it. And then also because we've seen Carson Beck when he faces good defenses and he gets kind of flustered and you put pressure on him, he will make mistakes. So can they protect Carson Beck? Can they continue to give him clean pockets like he has seen for the last month and allow him to just do what he does best? Or will Texas A and M get that pressure on him? I think that's going to be key.
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Bud Elliott
Agreed.
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Danny Cannell
I think, I think the run game is going to be huge for both. I mean like if you said what's the one? It's pretty cliche, but I do think this is a game where I like both quarterbacks, but they are kind of similar and the fact they've been pretty up and down, like what version are you going to get? So I think if you can shut down the run and turn this into a quarterback game, like that's probably an advantage. I also like, I think both these teams have really good run games. Like, so I'm kind of curious to see Miami's been sprinkling in Pringlemore, the freshman who's kind of added an element to their run game that they didn't have. I mean I'm trying to see if Le'Veon Moss, any update on his health, if he's playing or not for A M, would be interested to see Reuben Owen's been pretty good for them. So they've had the two headed monster, but you kind of want to be full strength going into this one. So then. And it just takes the pressure off your quarterback. I mean I think both of these schools you want to be in more manageable situations. I think if it's third and 12, you know, third and nine plus with both of these teams you're kind of like, oh, like almost not wanting to watch what happens. You're like, I hope we don't make us, you know, we don't screw this up. So I think the run game is going to be huge. You know, it was interesting. Varney in there says, miami run game is trash. It was trash at smu and they kept. They've got to get a little bit more creativity. They kept running the same concept over and over to zero success. So we'll see if they can sprinkle some new looks in there, come up with some. Some action that'll work a little bit better than they had against smu.
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Bud Elliott
I kind of think that both these defenses have to feel pretty good here. So A M wants to play a lot of man coverage. Beck is not a run threat, like, at all. So, you know, like, I. I think you can do that without the fear of being burned, you know, by Carson scrambling. He's also, like, not a guy who throws on the run real well. So I do think if you're A M, it's like, all right, cool. We don't have to get out of our comfort zone here in order to. To play our defensive game plan that we want to play. They have been run on a little bit this year, though. Like, Texas ran the ball on them pretty well. So I'm sure if you're Miami, you're like, all right, but we think we can move this front a little bit. It's not quite as good maybe as it was in past years against the run. I also want to see if Scooby Williams plays, like, pretty nice linebacker for them. I think he was on, like, he didn't. What, did he not play against Texas or to go down against Texas? I forgot, but I know he's one. I have circled there on the other side. I really, like, think that Miami has a pretty good chance here. Even though I like a offensive line a lot, like, to get home with four and not have to blitz, and I think that that allows you. A M is a really good screen team, and if you're not having to blitz them a whole lot, I think that gives you more eyeballs and more arms to tackle those screens. Right? So that's kind of going to be the key. Like, can Miami run the ball and what does A M do if, like, that's kind of your game? If Miami gets home with four, I do not think Marcel Reed is a good enough passer. And, like, if they're getting home at four, they will have more bodies against the screen game. If A M can block Miami's down four, you got to make them start doing a lot more blitz stuff, which I don't think they're quite as good at. That's not really a thing that Heatherman did a lot when he was at Minnesota and Miami hasn't had to do that a lot this year. So if the A M offensive line steps up and they can get these guys, they can get the four blocked. I think Aiden's got a pretty good shot to score because then they'll pop some screens. Miami's got to blitz them a lot. If not, then I would have some real worries for the Aggies.
- [30:16]
Tom Fenelli
There you one. I got a question because like, we all agree Miami has a very good defensive line. We agree that Texas A and M has a good offensive line. So you think Miami can get the pressure with four? What's the last offensive line Miami's face that was in anywhere near the same stratosphere as Texas A M's?
- [30:33]
Bud Elliott
I mean, exactly. Right? Like nobody. Syracuse is awful. SMU is okay. Yeah, like, well, but they got a pit.
- [30:43]
Chip Patterson
Like, I was going to push back earlier. Yeah, I was going to push back.
- [30:46]
Tom Fenelli
That's a huge thing for me. Yeah, that's like, that was one of those things. I was looking at this matchup, I'm like, man, it's like, I'm not gonna sit there and be like, oh, they're gonna get stonewalled because it's a really good defensive line. But it's just like, man, I can't remember the last time Miami's had to face an offensive line. That's good. So I was just actually excited to see the matchup.
- [31:02]
Bud Elliott
Very weird question to ask here though, Tom. What is the last big time defensive line that Texas and M faced? Yeah, I know, right?
- [31:12]
Danny Cannell
Both of these teams are kind of similar. They haven't been tested very much and the times they have, they haven't, you know, been great.
- [31:19]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be an.
- [31:21]
Tom Fenelli
Interesting game to watch.
- [31:24]
Chip Patterson
And it'll get the day started too. Oh, man, whoever loses this game is gonna be so pissed.
- [31:29]
Bud Elliott
To their, to their credit, like a handled LSU's D line quite well and like, I think LSU is pretty good.
- [31:36]
Chip Patterson
Texas has body. I mean, you're like, you know, takes.
- [31:38]
Bud Elliott
A good D line.
- [31:40]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I, I think Texas A M's offensive line is awesome.
- [31:44]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, it's much more battle tested, I think, than Miami's D line is.
- [31:49]
Tom Fenelli
Yes.
- [31:50]
Chip Patterson
And I came into this season obviously with a lot of focus on Miami's offensive line and I think that that is still a huge part of their offensive success. But maybe, maybe that's the like preseason bias versus what you see. I, I at the end of the season. I'm like, yeah, but the Maroon goons are awesome. You know, like those that, that Aggies offensive line could, could really cause some problems. And talk about the run game, I think E.J. smith has been really good stepping up with a little bit more reps. There's just a lot of depth and versatility in that room where no updates yet from Moss, I don't think in terms of whether Le'Veon Moss will be able to come back, but I still think they've got a lot of bodies to be able to, you know, try to keep that Miami defense from pinning its ears back.
- [32:33]
Danny Cannell
I'm curious to go ahead.
- [32:35]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, go ahead, Danny.
- [32:36]
Danny Cannell
Obviously I'm curious to see Malachi Tony, who, you know, won a state championship as a quarterback. They've been wrinkling him in a little bit more in the past game. Some trick plays, some Wildcat package. He is a weapon. Then. I totally agree. Somebody in the chat put in there that the C.J. daniels has to step up because I do think Malachi Tony is going to consume a lot of attention when he's straight up receiver. And I saw CJ Daniel step up against Florida State in a huge way. That was probably one of his best games. So he's got it in him, you know, so this could be one where he needs to step up and have a big game.
- [33:07]
Bud Elliott
The, the other injury to watch here is Keonte Scott, who's a really good DB for Miami. Not sure if he's going to play. He's been out. So if he's like, if he's out, that is it. Like he's been really good for them. That's why I think it's so important to get home with four because like you're going to need more bodies against them in the screen game.
- [33:24]
Chip Patterson
There you. They're a little bit low on defensive backs in general. Right. Just through the season have taken a little bit of attrition in that sort of that end of the depth chart.
- [33:33]
Bud Elliott
Not quite as bad as it was the end of last year. I think they did a good job of throwing bodies at the problem in the Portal this off season. But yeah, like they're, they're definitely not as healthy as they once were.
- [33:44]
Tom Fenelli
I, I do think that's interesting too because we talked a lot about like Miami's defensive back overhaul in the Portal this off season and it's worked like good job everybody. But they're facing Concepcion and Craver here, probably the two best receiver like as far as receiver. Course I would argue it's the best receiver core they've seen all year. And if their defensive line doesn't get the same kind of pressure that they were accustomed to getting week in and week out, do we see the secondary struggle in a way we haven't had to see him deal with so far this year? But I will say, overall, this is a great narrative bowl for fans because no matter who loses, somebody is a fraud the entire time.
- [34:19]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So excited. And it'll be 11am local. It'll kick off the day. Neither of these teams have ever participated in the College Football Playoff before. Oh, buddy.
- [34:31]
Danny Cannell
You like how I think it was really smart for ESPN ABC to like sacrifice the two games that are supposed to be blowouts. We'll see when we preview those. But saying, you know what, we'll sacrifice those to the NFL. We'll put those and then we'll take the Friday night prime time, we'll take the early window before the NFL games kick off and then we'll see what happens in the late ones.
- [34:51]
Bud Elliott
Danny, I was told on Twitter that is completely random, actually. Random, dude.
- [34:56]
Tom Fenelli
No.
- [34:57]
Danny Cannell
Interesting.
- [34:58]
Tom Fenelli
I was very upset yesterday, by the way, to find out that the Bears packers game this week is on Saturday night night.
- [35:05]
Chip Patterson
Saturday night, 8pm kickoff.
- [35:07]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
- [35:08]
Danny Cannell
Two screens, get them off.
- [35:10]
Bud Elliott
Zone thing.
- [35:11]
Danny Cannell
It's not the same.
- [35:12]
Bud Elliott
Like you wouldn't put the Oregon game at 11 Eastern or 11 Central. Like that would be silly.
- [35:19]
Chip Patterson
Oh Yeah. I mean that's eight local, right? No, excuse me. Nine local 100. Any other. Any other X factors that we should watch here in this one? Another fun game. What's Miami?
- [35:33]
Danny Cannell
Well, yeah. What is the prop bet for interceptions for each quarterback? One and a half.
- [35:38]
Tom Fenelli
I would say.
- [35:40]
Chip Patterson
One and a half.
- [35:40]
Tom Fenelli
I would probably juice the under.
- [35:44]
Chip Patterson
You could just parlay over 0.5 for both of them. It.
- [35:49]
Bud Elliott
This is like your, I think the most important leverage game because like it's a higher total a little bit. You know, you. I really don't trust Reed on obvious passing downs and I really trust Elko's third down defense. They're like they, their third down packages are really good. They seem to pride themselves on. They get off the field really well on third down, especially when you don't have to respect the run and you don't have to respect Beck, like Beck's legs at all. So like whoever can stay ahead of the chains a little bit. That's why I think tackling the screen game, it's such an extension of A&M's run game is so important here.
- [36:24]
Chip Patterson
A lot of fun. Again, that game will get you started on Saturday. Then in the afternoon we'll be heading out to the Grove Vaught Hemingway Stadium. Another college football playoff. Another pair of college football playoff rookies as John Summerall leads two lane in to take on Ole Miss. Now we again, we saw this one before it was 45 to 10. Some things have changed. Obviously Ole Miss will not be having Lane Kiffin roaming the sidelines. That will be new head coach Pete Golding, though Charlie Weiss Jr. And a few other assistants have rejoined the team in preparation for this game. John Summerall, since the first game, led Tulane on the way to an American Athletic Conference championship, but also accepted the Florida job. And that includes the fact that DJ Lagway, you know, is in the transfer portal and other Florida Gators are now starting to either exits as well. So there's a lot on the mind of John Summerall. Can they make it closer?
- [37:28]
Danny Cannell
Yeah.
- [37:31]
Bud Elliott
I think it's possible, yeah.
- [37:33]
Chip Patterson
I mean, is there anything that Tulane has learned that could change the way that this game goes? The things that stood out to me, obviously Jake Retzlaff, that was early, right before he had sort of settled in.
- [37:44]
Danny Cannell
Yeah.
- [37:44]
Chip Patterson
Problem was probably more on the side of letting Ole Miss just blow through your defense. And I don't know if the Green Waves defense, I mean they did a good job against North Texas. You know, like I, I don't, I don't know what I'm hanging my hat on in terms of this two lane defense right now. Outside of the reputation of its head coach who's leaving.
- [38:03]
Tom Fenelli
I think Tulane got scripted out of.
- [38:05]
Chip Patterson
That game real quick, like just the fast start and then all of a sudden they weren't. Never had a chance.
- [38:10]
Tom Fenelli
I think in order to make this game competitive, Tulane has to get off to a much better start than they did in that game. And that's no duh. But it's like they were epically bad to start. Retzlaff was over his first nine. He ended up getting benched for Brendan Sullivan in the game like. And so Tulane immediately found itself down multiple scores. And once Tulane's done multiple scores, it can't really play the way that it wants to play. So I think you need to figure out ways to run the ball better than you did in that game because they did run the ball somewhat effectively in that game matchup compared to, you know, the opponent that they were playing. It wasn't awful. But I do think that the biggest problem Tulane faces in this game or in Any game it was playing in this tournament, like, it's got the worst defense in the playoff by far. Yeah, by a lot. And you mentioned it like Ole miss scored on eight of its 11 possessions in that first game. And one of those final was the final possession, just kneeling it out at the end. So really it was 8 of 10. Like they have to figure out ways to get stops and that has been a problem for them for most of the season. They have been a team that has to go and outscore its opponents far more often than any anything. So that's, I don't know. And oh, here's a fun stat of, of Ole misses 10 actual drives. Six of them win at least 60 yards.
- [39:21]
Chip Patterson
What's that available yards percentage like, high?
- [39:25]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I think that's like, that's very fair. As far as like finding a way for this to be closer. Sure. Ole Miss is like sloppy. They drop some passes. All the, all the changeover. Like if you're looking for like on the field of football reasons, I think it's tough. But like, you can't ignore all the changeover going at both programs. Right. So, and I don't think we necessarily assume that like one team's going to handle it well, one team won't. Maybe they both handle it poorly. Maybe one team handles it great and one team doesn't. That's probably your best path for this to be, you know, closer. Ole Miss's pass rush is not great. Like, it's decent now. They were fine against Tulane in that first game. So I think Tom's point though is Tulane is allowed more than six yards of play six times this year and more than seven twice. And that was Ole Miss and utsa. So I just don't think their secondary is, is great. Like if something doesn't change, they're going to go through like a buzz saw. Much like the saw you're hearing right outside my window right now. You're picking that up on the microphone here. I think his legs are important here. Yeah, like, he ran a lot this year and then the final three games regular season ran almost none. And I assuming because he was, you know, dinged then he ran more against North Tex there in the conference championship game. But like, does he have the athletic advantage against Ole Miss? I don't, like there's a big difference between doing that in the American and doing that against Ole Miss. Like he didn't do that at BYU nearly as well. Right. Because there's a different quality of athlete. So I, I, that's going to Be key to watch. Like do his legs actually play a factor here? I'm a little skeptical.
- [41:07]
Danny Cannell
I do think too there is something to what was that his third or.
- [41:10]
Bud Elliott
Fourth game, first half, spring practice.
- [41:14]
Danny Cannell
He's going to be more comfortable in the system where he'll know where to go with the football quickly. You know, he'll have a better grasp of that. And I do think like I don't think he's gonna light up Ole Miss's defense with his legs, but I do think he can make it a headache. You can extend plays a little bit, you can extend drives, you can get away a little bit from that first pressure. But like he's like he's not going to be running all over him. But did you, did you start a gofundme for 2 lane and Jmu's injured players yet?
- [41:43]
Bud Elliott
Not yet, no. I might be selling some shirts though actually. Safety issue.
- [41:49]
Chip Patterson
Yes.
- [41:51]
Bud Elliott
You see awful announcing aggregated. That was great. Oh yeah, they did.
- [41:57]
Danny Cannell
They ran with it.
- [42:01]
Chip Patterson
Do you think that the home environment will be just a fine home environment? Do you think you'll get an angry Ole Miss crowd, like extra little pep in their step again? Yeah, Tom, that's what I'm kind of wondering about 3:30 or you know, like midday kickoff is sort of prime Grove time. Like if this, if this wanted to be like a huge sort of statement for the future of the Ole Miss football program, it would certainly be interesting to see it. I'm not, not sure if we'll get it yet. Haven't we haven't heard from the dentist yet. I'm sure we will on Thursday. But this I'll be curious to see what the headspace is for Ole Miss fans cheering for their next head coach with this year's team from the old head coach in a game that you should win by a lot, but you don't. I don't know how much confidence they have in this team going on a run to win it all. You know, it's just a curious if home field advantage, what it's like in, in the stadium here.
- [42:59]
Bud Elliott
I think you're gonna have a big, a big, like a big crowd. They're going to. I'm rooting like, like we're a big time program. Our coach is the idiot for going to lsu. Like we, we are legitimate, like we've arrived, like we ain't going nowhere type of crowd. Good.
- [43:14]
Tom Fenelli
I was gonna say. I also think like it's not a rivalry, but there is a regional aspect to this matchup where like you know, Tulane is not very far away from Oxford. So I do think that it's.
- [43:23]
Chip Patterson
I mean, if I'm a two lane fan, I'm going, no question.
- [43:25]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, no doubt I can go.
- [43:27]
Tom Fenelli
Oh, yes.
- [43:28]
Danny Cannell
You know what needs to happen?
- [43:30]
Chip Patterson
Lane to be there.
- [43:32]
Danny Cannell
No, Lane to live tweet the game. Like, he just live tweets and like, hey, they should run this. They should do this or this is that play. That'd be incredible.
- [43:42]
Bud Elliott
I bet she stays real positive with it. Yeah, great, Great play. Him great. You know, great play. Like, like Trinidad. A lot of the. The flag, you know, tweet.
- [43:52]
Danny Cannell
Yeah.
- [43:53]
Bud Elliott
So GGG in the chat is like, do you think if both these games are blowouts to get rule changes? I. I don't think. No, I think if both. I think it's a business. So if the ratings are really bad, then yes.
- [44:05]
Danny Cannell
I also think. And people have pointed this out. Yeah, Tom has pointed that out a bunch. Blowouts you can't prevent from scheduling. You can't. You can't prevent those from happening.
- [44:14]
Bud Elliott
It's more like, is the. Is the run up and the hype for it so bad that, like, nobody turns it on?
- [44:20]
Danny Cannell
I also think the result of Texas, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame being right on the outside is going to have way more impact than how these games turn out. Even if, even if the group of five teams won these games, both of them, I still think you might see a tweak to the system. Just because they don't want to have. The ratings will be impacted.
- [44:38]
Bud Elliott
And a tweaking the system, that would have kept Duke out too. Like, just by rule, I'm totally fine.
- [44:43]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I mean, it's wwe. They can, they can put the money in the bank.
- [44:48]
Bud Elliott
Whatever they want, you know, exactly.
- [44:50]
Chip Patterson
Whatever they want to set up. We. We like the real violence over here at Paramount. Okay. That's the way that we play it. UFC coming on Paramount plus starting in January. All right, anything else here? All right, here we go. People been asking for it. They've been asking for it all show long. We can't. We can't let them wait any longer. Big game breakdown. James Madison headed out to Eugene to take on the Oregon Ducks. A lot of, I think a lot of legitimately interesting questions for Oregon in terms of who's out there, which probably also includes the. Do you need to rush them out there? And then also for jmu, you know, the conversation is like, what. What has to happen for this to get a little bit uncomfortable for the Ducks? Like Tom, how do you. How do you put that together? So let's do that second part. First. How do you put together something for JMU that can at least get can inspire a little bit of confidence? Because as we referenced on selection day and have a lot since then, there was that Liberty game and Dan Lanning's Ducks made very, very quick work of the Flames and let everyone know today was not going to be the day that the Ducks get upset. So what needs to happen for James Madison other than not what happened to Liberty?
- [46:14]
Tom Fenelli
Well, what James Madison does best and what James Madison tries to do on offense is run the football. And they've been very effective at it. That's why that's their bread and butter. Northwestern, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa and Washington have all been able to run the ball effectively against Oregon, particularly the worst. Oregon's worst running rush defense performance was in their last game against Washington. Like if James Madison can figure out ways to keep the ball on the ground and move the ball against this defense, I don't think that means they can win. But I think they can make it far more uncomfortable than Oregon might want. And even going back to last year, remember Georgia Southern and Boise State, what did they do to Oregon?
- [46:55]
Bud Elliott
They ran the ball all over them.
- [46:57]
Tom Fenelli
So there has been examples of these, you know, smaller schools running the ball on this Ducks defense. So I think that is going to be the primary factor for James Madison in trying to find an avenue to compete. Also we have to consider like a lot of other schools, I mean obviously James Madison is dealing with changeover of its own, but Oregon's losing both of its coordinators who have probably been spending some time getting ready for their new gigs at Kentucky and Cal. So how has that impacted their ability to prepare for this game? Will that lead to some mistakes just like little, little slip ups that you might ignore to not thought of. So I think that has to happen. And then the other side, like the you talked about the Liberty game. That Liberty team was a throwing team that had a terrible defense. James Madison, we can point off their strength of schedule all we want and there's plenty of signal to it. But the fact of the matter is if you look statistically, this is the best defense playing this weekend. They're better than Oklahoma in a lot of stats. So like can they hold up? And it's like you want to immediately dismiss these guys because they're James Madison. But Indiana's entire defensive front is made up of James Madison players. They didn't seem to struggle too much when they went to the Big Ten. So I do think that maybe they will Be somewhat. I, I don't think James Madison is going to win, but a fun prop bet to place would be who loses by more, James Madison or Tulane. I would bet on Tulane to lose by more than I would James Madison just because I don't think this matchup is awful for the Dukes. And I haven't even mentioned all of Oregon's injuries yet.
- [48:29]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I, I think a lot of that is spot on, Tom. And it also plays in the question of pace. Like, if you're Oregon, how fast do you play this game?
- [48:41]
Tom Fenelli
Not very.
- [48:42]
Bud Elliott
Like you've got a big matchup coming up after this game. Right. And I don't think you're holding everything back because you got to win the ball game. And like, I don't think you want to get into a situation where it's tight going into the fourth quarter necessarily because that's a pain in the ass to deal with. But I do think it would make sense to not show like as much in terms of pace.
- [49:03]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [49:03]
Bud Elliott
Hey, we like our offensive line. We've run the ball against like better bodies than what JMU has just fine. Our receivers, you know, is Decorian playing like, haven't seen. Right. You know, he's having junior. Right. You know, Sadiq went down against Washington. So if you are really dinged up on offense, if you're Oregon, I think you play real slow screens. You know, trust Dante to make some throws when you need him to. But like lean on the run game much like JMU does. And if both teams are trying to lean on the run game, lean on the run game, lean on the run game, then you're looking at a pretty, pretty like slow pace game. We might be live at like, you know, 1045.
- [49:46]
Chip Patterson
That's cool.
- [49:46]
Bud Elliott
Probably not, but 11, which I'm not opposed to.
- [49:49]
Tom Fenelli
Like, sure, Bears game's still going. I'm not going to want to go live.
- [49:53]
Danny Cannell
Also the, the Louisville game, which we've all referenced as a two touchdown loss, it was a little uncomfortable for. I remember, I think there might have been in the group chat saying what's wrong with Louisville? Are they in trouble this year? And I mean that game was pretty like James Madison was handling the lines of scrimmage pretty well. So I know it's been one that's used against them. This, this will be an interesting matchup. Alonza Barnett too. I do think he's a little more versatile than Jake Red Slap. He's a little bit more of a run threat. That can always be a headache. You know, just for a Defense to have to contain a quarterback like that. So I think it'll be interesting.
- [50:27]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah, it does get lost that James Madison was leading that game 14:6 into the third quarter.
- [50:32]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Yeah. So you think like if you put together an all star offensive line from every single team that Jamie's played so far this year, I don't think Oregon would take that.
- [50:45]
Chip Patterson
They would rather have their own.
- [50:47]
Bud Elliott
Correct.
- [50:48]
Chip Patterson
Louisville's offensive line is not great.
- [50:50]
Bud Elliott
It's pretty. They're like secretly crappy. Yeah, like, like Louisville had to scheme around that a lot this year and Jamie gave him some problems for sure. Like JMU does have a really nice, you know, G6 defense and I think they could give Oregon's problems here for a little bit defensively, offensively, I don't know, like watching this, like Barnett does not throw the ball well outside the numbers. I think if you're Oregon, you're like, man, these outside receivers are, are not scary.
- [51:16]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [51:17]
Bud Elliott
And we face a lot better at receiver than we do this game on a week to week basis in the Big Ten. You know, Barnett's not a great thrower. So again, I think a lot of this plays to pace, right? Like hey, can, can he, can he pick up some of these, these, you know, third and mediums with his legs, you know, keep the clock running, turn this thing. I don't think Jamie's gonna go crazy tempo here. I, I would not. So I think that that's the recipe to keep it close. It's just low scoring, ugly. Oregon doesn't want to show much. We'll see who plays for Oregon and who knows, like in that game, if you get an 8 or 9 possession game turnover to all of a sudden flips this thing.
- [51:54]
Chip Patterson
Oregon ran it 41 times against USC, ran it 42 times against Washington. As the wide receivers have gone down, they have leaned on that deep running back room which has also had some injury issues as well. And behind that big offensive line, that would definitely be in my mind. I do not think Dan Lanning, like you said, Bud, he does not want to be. He wants this to be over. So the fourth quarter is not stressful, but I could see we're not rushing to Corey and back. You know, if it's a coin flip of whether he can play or not, we're gonna say, hey listen, the game plan that we had to beat USC and Washington should be good enough to beat JMU at home. You know, like they travel 2800 miles out here. They've got a head coach who's going to UCLA like there's. There is a lot that should be able to roll out the same kind of game plan they had at the end of the season. Win the game along both lines of scrimmage.
- [52:44]
Bud Elliott
I like the middle of Oregon's defense.
- [52:47]
Chip Patterson
The mid, like the.
- [52:48]
Bud Elliott
The backers and. And Dylan at safety. I, I think those are really important pieces here because we know JMU just does not. They don't throw the ball outside very well. I like your Oregon. I think it's a. Like we're gonna make you prove you can beat us on the outside, but.
- [53:02]
Chip Patterson
We like the whole line, like end to end. Yeah.
- [53:05]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah. Agreed.
- [53:07]
Chip Patterson
This was an interesting note and I. This is the great signal noise thought because of the source. So Kenyon Barner, I was breaking down this game with the former Oregon running back and he said, you know, this team little bit slow to start out of off weeks. And I went back and I looked at it and I was like, okay, so they had an off week before Indiana, which is obviously not the Duck's best performance, but it was Indiana. They had an off week before Iowa, but it was Iowa, a team that I think is pretty good. Also the conditions. So how given obviously the source there, Kenyon Barner making a note and the results certainly, you know, suggests that that might be something to take away. But so did the opponents. You think, you think there's something to that? Oregon being a little slow start out of a layoff?
- [53:57]
Tom Fenelli
I think the opponents had a lot to do with it more than anything.
- [54:01]
Bud Elliott
Also, like I would say sample set, you know, like, do we have a big enough sample set of landing off layoff to definitively say like he's not good with extra time? I, I would doubt that.
- [54:14]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, they. So UCLA was the example from last season where they jumped out to a 28 to 10 lead and just kind of sat on it the rest of the way before that. They did have a layoff going into the Washington game, but that Washington game was the Michael Penn exponent game, which was what you go for it on the fourth down instead of kicking the field goal. Penix has that unbelievable touchdown right at the end of the game. I was a coin flip classic. Both teams looked very prepared. So maybe it's more of a Vibes related thought where it just feels like just takes a little bit to get the juices flowing. And I will say, undoubtedly, Indiana punched first in the loss in Austin earlier this season. That was a, that was an Indiana team that was more ready for the start of that game than Oregon was. And it, you know, was tough, obviously, to recover and they didn't. And what was eventually a 10 point loss. You also had a responsibility with James Madison players. If, if James Madison wins, this is going to be like some real curse of JMU for Oregon losing to the old J. Oh, yeah, they talked players.
- [55:21]
Bud Elliott
Are they tight like that?
- [55:23]
Chip Patterson
I don't know if they're tight like that, but I could see, I don't.
- [55:27]
Bud Elliott
Know if you're Indiana, you do not want to have to face Oregon a second time. So if I'm sick, I'm, I'm talking to Bob.
- [55:34]
Chip Patterson
You're giving them the whole game plan, everything.
- [55:38]
Tom Fenelli
Does Dan Lanning have a James Madison problem?
- [55:43]
Bud Elliott
I would say, like, one of the real key differences is that Indiana has the Heisman Trophy winner quarterback, and Jamie was a guy who's gonna, who's not gonna play professional football as a quarterback.
- [55:54]
Chip Patterson
Right? Hey, that man, that man looks like he could win a great cup, though, dude.
- [56:00]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
- [56:01]
Chip Patterson
I do not say. Hey, I'm not, I'm not saying that disparagingly. You know, it takes a certain skill set to be able to find great success at that level.
- [56:09]
Bud Elliott
Purple and gold problem.
- [56:12]
Chip Patterson
Oh, with Washington in there too.
- [56:14]
Danny Cannell
Yeah.
- [56:16]
Chip Patterson
That's good stuff. All right. Any, anything else here and then we'll, we'll hit a break and then go into some portal and, and coaching talk.
- [56:25]
Bud Elliott
I like Jamie's back a lot.
- [56:27]
Chip Patterson
Running back.
- [56:28]
Bud Elliott
Like, I, I watched like, watch Jamie during the season, but went back and watched, like, just try, like, to make this more interesting. Right? And I do think, like, he's a dude. Mac is not Mac way night. Excuse me.
- [56:42]
Tom Fenelli
The guy from Seinfeld, right?
- [56:46]
Bud Elliott
He's nice.
- [56:47]
Chip Patterson
The Dilophosaurus spit in his face when he was trying to get the dino DNA off the island. Yeah, that's right.
- [56:56]
Tom Fenelli
Like if, if Wayne Knight scores a touchdown in this game, I'm gonna tweet the C nobody cares meme from Jurassic Park.
- [57:03]
Danny Cannell
There you go.
- [57:06]
Chip Patterson
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- [59:02]
Bud Elliott
I would say pretty strong. Okay.
- [59:05]
Tom Fenelli
I don't think he's going the G5 route.
- [59:07]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I think you. You look at what he did last year against ole Ms. And LSU, I think he should have just sat out this year. I don't think the guy ever looked healthy or comfortable at all. He didn't get a real off season. That's not to say he didn't regress. I think he did. But obviously, like, you know, they had a fire coach in Gainesville as well. I mean, there's some teams out there who needs quarterbacks. He's from Texas. I don't know. Needs one, but like, Baylor does.
- [59:33]
Chip Patterson
Baylor. You. You think. You think Texas Tech's gonna have their mind elsewhere? I think Will Hammond is. Is definitely the future coming off. I mean, if you get two banged up quarterbacks, we'll just see which one's healthy.
- [59:44]
Danny Cannell
I thought we already got Dylan Raiola.
- [59:46]
Chip Patterson
Going to Texas Tech so he can wear number 15.
- [59:49]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [59:50]
Tom Fenelli
Miami are going to be connected to every big quarterback that hits the portal.
- [59:53]
Bud Elliott
Did you see the tweet about the cosplaying Mahomes with acl? Yes. Oh, my God.
- [60:03]
Danny Cannell
Tom brought that one to our attention.
- [60:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, that was fantastic.
- [60:08]
Chip Patterson
Get better, Pat.
- [60:09]
Bud Elliott
Like, you know, is that true?
- [60:11]
Danny Cannell
Did Lagway's dad go to Baylor?
- [60:14]
Tom Fenelli
Chad says it has to be true.
- [60:16]
Bud Elliott
I know, right? There is a. There is a coach out there really good developing quarterbacks who Lagway has played pretty darn well against twice.
- [60:26]
Chip Patterson
Especially, oh, Lane train.
- [60:29]
Bud Elliott
Now, if you're a Florida fan and Lane all of a sudden unlocks Lagway and he's awesome, that's gonna sting. Yes.
- [60:37]
Tom Fenelli
Which might be the 100 of the reason Lane's interested.
- [60:41]
Bud Elliott
Like, it's just a troll. Miami needs a quarterback. If Sellers are Staying, you know, like, like that. That's a guy off the market potentially. So you kind of have to mention Miami in any of these conversations with a quarterback that has a chance to play at a high level. Not saying like always guaranteed to play at a high level, but ability wise, there's not that many guys out here who have like that kind of ability.
- [61:02]
Tom Fenelli
Mm.
- [61:04]
Chip Patterson
Is. Are we just assuming that Miami has the, the resources, the coaching, they remain attractive. They're just going to be able to play this. Give me your, give me your NFL draft pick every single year and just keep recycling them.
- [61:19]
Bud Elliott
They don't recruit quarterback at high school very well at all.
- [61:22]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [61:22]
Bud Elliott
So far. And I don't think they spend a whole lot on it. So my guess, they're saving their money for the, for the QB portal.
- [61:29]
Chip Patterson
From a roster building standpoint.
- [61:31]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [61:32]
Chip Patterson
You think that's a, you think that's something that they can just keep doing.
- [61:37]
Tom Fenelli
And.
- [61:38]
Bud Elliott
Unless they're out of money, right? Yeah, I, I would assume so.
- [61:41]
Chip Patterson
I mean, that's the thing is like Cam Ward was great. They shouldn't have blown a 21 point lead to Syracuse or else they would have been, you know, in the ACC championship last year, Carson Beck was good enough to be able to get them to the College Football Playoff for the first time. I mean this is the. Did you know that in 20 years of being an ACC member, it's only now Miami's had back to back 10 win seasons?
- [62:01]
Bud Elliott
I did know that.
- [62:04]
Chip Patterson
Mario, Chris, I mean, it's worked. That's what I'm saying. If they can keep spending and if they can keep hitting. But man, that first whiff or that first injury could end up being pretty dicey in terms of keeping everything moving.
- [62:16]
Bud Elliott
They're in a little bit of a spot here. Not a spot. It's an interesting situation to monitor because like they lose a lot of important players off this roster at Miami this year and they have recruited well and I think they'll have some like young guys in the pipeline who are ready. But you do lose some like special players. You look at the draft like the mock drafts that are coming out, it's like two of the top 10 picks right on the line of scrimmage. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, can you take a strategic step back? I don't think you can because you're in the accurate. Right. Like if you're Miami, you're like, look at our path. It's pretty much a cakewalk if we handle business. So why would we not push, push all in again?
- [62:58]
Danny Cannell
I'm I did this on the day trading segment last. I'm a sell on Lagway. I just. Some of these five stars that come out, they have so much potential and it's not only inconsistent play but the injuries and the type of injuries. Yeah, I mean and the shoulder which is still a major issue like that he hasn't gotten surgically repaired. What's going on with that? I don't know. I just, I hope he turns it around. I'd love to see to be proven wrong, but I just feel like some of these guys, they're, they're almost like first one pick in the NFL or if you're a top 10 pick, you're going to get an opportunity another time. Sometimes it works. We've seen guys like Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, NFL do it sometimes. We've seen these quarterbacks go other places and have success, but I don't know, I'm a little bit out on DJ Lagway.
- [63:42]
Chip Patterson
What about Leno? What's. What's to what? What's the takeaway from Lenora Sellers reportedly nearing a deal to commit to South Carolina. That's another name that we thought could be a big piece on the move, attracting a lot of attention in terms of the transfer portal market. Is I South Carolina fan is happy. Is that the best spot for Lenore Sellers?
- [64:03]
Tom Fenelli
I mean, what's, I mean clearly he's pretty hyped about the Kendall Brilesire. He feels like he's going to be able to thrive in that offense.
- [64:11]
Bud Elliott
Like without knowing the number, it's hard to say, like, is South Carolina willing to overpay like such a premium to get them to stay then maybe it is. I mean like quarterbacks are making life change, like life changing money now in college. So possibly. I think from an NFL perspective there's a lot of skepticism about the Kendall browse offense. So like if you're, if your sellers are you like, hey, South Carolina, you just hired a guy that like not a lot of dudes have come out of this system and played well in the NFL. Right. Like you see all the NFL evaluators when they were talking about not Dobbs, Tennessee guy. Right? Like that type of stuff. It's like, hey, is this really prepping you for the next level? If I'm Sellers, I'm like, hey, I'll stay, but you're gonna pay for my potential lack of development in this offense.
- [65:00]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, obviously, you know, Kendall Briles changes that a little bit. Also if you're Shane Beamer and you did not have Lenora Sellers. Are you just worried that the, the product on the field is just not going to be good enough for you to be able to keep this thing moving? I mean he, Shane Bieber had to get an announcement that Shane Beamer will be back.
- [65:20]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah, I, I think there is a lot of value too because I mean Sellers was a big recruit for them to get. So I just think as far as PR wise for Shane Beamer, keeping him in, in that program is important kind of a win. But I also wonder because part of what we're discussing, whereas NFL teams are kind of dismissive of those quarterbacks, is that it does feel like with that offense there's a lot more kind of plug and play ish feel to it. So you do wonder just from a roster construction standpoint if South Carolina might have been better off investing that money into other positions and bringing in more of a cheaper quarterback like a Joey Aguilar type who seemed to be pretty effective at running that for Tennessee and to see if they could build out the roster around it. Now I don't know what their financial situation is. Maybe they've still got plenty of money to go around and rebuild the rest of that team. But I do wonder from a roster construction standpoint if this is the wisest move for South Carolina.
- [66:14]
Bud Elliott
I do think that South Carolina though, like they have the schedule next year to make a bowl. Right. Like look at this. So in the, in the non con they get Kent State, they get Towson, you get Mississippi State at home, you get Kentucky at home, you're at Florida, you're, you're likely a dog there. You also get Arkansas on the schedule and you get, you're at Clemson. But Clemson loses a ton. So I like most of their difficult games next year are on the road. Okay. Like you get George obviously. But like that's what you want though.
- [66:46]
Chip Patterson
We've talked, we talked about that in winter season big time, if you are not at the very top of your conference, you want all the hard games to be scheduled losses on the road.
- [66:54]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Like if, if winning the conference is not an actual goal for your program, if South Carolina, realistically it's not.
- [67:00]
Tom Fenelli
Right.
- [67:00]
Bud Elliott
Like being able to make a bowl is important. That's still an accomplishment for, for some of these low level SEC teams and it's important to get there. And with the non game conference schedule, like who you draw is really important. Yep.
- [67:11]
Chip Patterson
What else? Interesting comment from Grant in the tailgate. He said, you know, will we see more posts like usc, a Southern Cal announcing that Players have re signed. I think. Yes.
- [67:23]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
- [67:24]
Bud Elliott
Genius marketing move.
- [67:25]
Chip Patterson
That's what I was saying. I was like, I think it's. I would be telling my personnel department, my social media team that, yeah, we should celebrate this. Our fans would get excited. Even if it is just like a formality. It just drums up the like, oh, that guy was all. Waymond Jordan was great last year when he was healthy. You know, like, let's, let's go. Let's get him back. Let's get excited for what we're going to do in 2026. So I do. I do think we're going to see a lot more announcements like that.
- [67:51]
Tom Fenelli
Couple names hit the portal since the show started.
- [67:54]
Chip Patterson
By the way, was Dallas Wilson one of them?
- [67:56]
Tom Fenelli
No, but quarterbacks. The bigger name will be. Aiden Giles has entered the transfer portal. But the one I think is not the big name, but I think could be somebody who's at a P4 next year and playing pretty well. Kate. And Hauser from East Carolina is a kid that I've seen the last few years that I find very intriguing. And I'm wondering where he's going.
- [68:15]
Chip Patterson
Where did the oc. Where did John David Baker go?
- [68:21]
Tom Fenelli
I don't know.
- [68:22]
Chip Patterson
He is headed to Ole Miss to go be Pete Golding's new offensive coordinator.
- [68:26]
Tom Fenelli
Maybe he was.
- [68:28]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. John David Baker was at Ole Miss before he. He got hired over. That would be a potential landing spot. But I mean, you gotta figure out what you're doing with Ole Miss's quarterbacks after the playoff run as well. But that would be somewhere where I'd keep an eye on Baker calling the plays for. For Hauser's good season. But yeah, he's a. He's a good player.
- [68:46]
Tom Fenelli
Former.
- [68:47]
Chip Patterson
So we had a. Two former Michigan State quarterbacks. What about Charles? Is anybody gonna unlock anything with this? Are we, Danny. Is this like another five star where we're just. We're just selling like. I don't know. I hope he does well. Wish him right. All of his future endeavors.
- [69:06]
Danny Cannell
Right. And you know, I mean, system matters. System fit, supporting talent. Who do you have around you like that stuff does matter. But Aiden Childs did struggle to throw it to the right team an awful lot.
- [69:19]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
- [69:21]
Chip Patterson
Do we think that just because we got a. A nice little statement about, you know, Kaylin DeBoer's commitment to Alabama and Alabama's commitment to the future of the Tide, are we putting that to bed? Is Calyn Deboer. Do you feel confident saying that Kaylin DeBoer is not going to be A part of the Michigan coaching search or at moving forward.
- [69:42]
Tom Fenelli
Yeah.
- [69:46]
Bud Elliott
What was his announcement officially?
- [69:47]
Danny Cannell
He put out a statement with yay Alabama. Said he's not going anywhere. You know, he's, he's had no interest. He's not going anywhere. Out of all these. I mean, I kind of believe them. You know, I'd put it. I'd be surprised if he left, but not floored, not absolutely shocked. I mean, again, and I know, like, if you're a Bama fan and you get run in the first round of the playoffs, they'll probably be. I think that's why people keep assuming this could be a possibility.
- [70:12]
Tom Fenelli
The other side of that argument, though is like, say Alabama loses and they, they run him out of town. He's gone. He doesn't even leave on his own. Who's Alabama hiring at this point?
- [70:23]
Danny Cannell
Right.
- [70:24]
Tom Fenelli
You probably do everything you can to keep him around for another year and then you decide if things get off to whatever start next year, then we move on.
- [70:31]
Bud Elliott
I would also say it's probably like reading the tea leaves. He probably really likes Keelan Russell.
- [70:37]
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah.
- [70:40]
Bud Elliott
Because you could go coach Bryce right now. We think, if you're Deborah, right? So you probably think you really have something with some of those young classes you've signed.
- [70:48]
Chip Patterson
And I do think that there were, there were a couple of games this season when I just like little stray note, like, wow, a lot of young players are like making plays right now. They're getting run, they're getting snaps, they're playing well. I think that, I mean, obviously if they're on the field, I think Alabama has to like the quality of the player that they've gotten in these first couple Kaylin DeBoer signing classes. So, yeah, I, I tell you what, it was enough that I did not even think to include in preparation for the game. Like, maybe I did like, okay, so Mission, you know, we said, who does Indiana want to play? He's like, so Michigan's watching this game, right? Just like that. You know, just like the, the Iron Bowl. You know, we're sitting there, we're watching to see if, if, if he's going to lose. I don't think that's the case. I think Kaylin DeBoer is coaching Alabama in 20, 26. I could be wrong. Lots could happen. Curveballs always come out of nowhere. But I've got, I will take that statement as Kalyn DeBoer wants to be back in the. In the black hoodie in Tuscaloosa next, next fall.
- [71:56]
Danny Cannell
So where does Michigan turn I mean, Jed Fish, I think is the leader in the sports, like, odds makers, but who the heck knows if that's real? He did have an impressive performance against Boise. And, and what type of timetable is Michigan in a time crunch? Are they rushing this?
- [72:12]
Tom Fenelli
I have no idea. I mean, I. There's. There's a whole other. Again, there's a whole other investigation going on in Michigan's athletic department right now. I don't know who's going to make the hire.
- [72:25]
Chip Patterson
A lot of Dillingham, like. Like, a lot of. A lot of Michigan fans thinking that they had Dillingham. A lot of, like you mentioned that the odds and the, the market seem to be going in the direction of a, of a Jed Fish. And he kind of had a, an interesting response. Like, there's the. His response during the LA bowl media day when he said, you know, like, yeah, yeah, come on, come on. You know, like, very, very, very loose. And then there was the, I expect, you know, not a denial. I don't know. Do you think it happened? How about this? Just game planning. Do we think that Michigan's going to hire a coach this week?
- [73:04]
Bud Elliott
No, I have no idea.
- [73:06]
Tom Fenelli
I don't think they do.
- [73:10]
Danny Cannell
I think. I think they might be and I think maybe they're curious to see if Kaylin aboard, just how serious he is about that statement.
- [73:18]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, what about, what about the Dillingham stuff?
- [73:22]
Danny Cannell
He said the same thing. He's coming back. He doesn't want to go anywhere.
- [73:26]
Tom Fenelli
I mentioned it last week. I think there's a lot of uncertainty around who's going to be in charge and I think that's causing a lot of names that would certainly be interested in that gig to just be a little hesitant about it.
- [73:36]
Chip Patterson
Recruits are asking out of their national letter of intent. I mean, it's a.
- [73:42]
Tom Fenelli
That's having it, but. Yeah. What. I don't think that's having an impact, but.
- [73:45]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, well, I'm just like the. Overall, like when it. Get it. You could describe, like, I don't think we are at dumpster fire status, but if you wanted to describe the Michigan job, the Michigan, the head of the Michigan football program as a volatile position right now, then I would probably agree with that assessment.
- [74:04]
Tom Fenelli
What if Tom Brady serves as interim coach for a year? I'm like a Frank Reich situation.
- [74:11]
Chip Patterson
That would be Biff. I mean, like, I.
- [74:13]
Danny Cannell
Right.
- [74:13]
Tom Fenelli
Well, I could see that being like a Biff for one year kind of thing. Yeah, I don't know.
- [74:22]
Chip Patterson
We'll see.
- [74:23]
Bud Elliott
One last thing on this. Just speaking of like freshman class and stuff. I did hear that Georgia, like loves their young players and knows it's going to be like really expensive to try to keep them all. And that like, that also played into some of the recruiting stuff. Like they still signed a great class but like, I think that they really hit on the last two classes and like they're so just hearing that like, oh, all right, Georgia may be your like number two favorite next year.
- [74:50]
Chip Patterson
Well, that's one of the reasons why I like them maybe to win it all is that you've got a team that admittedly by Kirby's own analysis was super young and inexperienced at the beginning of the season. They've had all season to be able to mature. They've dealt with injury issues. They've had to plug and play some pieces. Now they're hitting the playoff with their hair on fire.
- [75:09]
Bud Elliott
You know, he did talk a lot about how you had to play young guys in this era. Like you got to get something for your young dudes.
- [75:16]
Chip Patterson
So I'm that we, we of course will get a chance to get our, our full breakdowns of expectations for the Bulldogs that once we get through with the first round and they as the three seed will await the winner of Ole Miss and Tulane. For those who don't have the bracket in front of you, the Alabama Oklahoma game will play into the Rose bowl with Indiana. The Oregon James Madison game will play into the Orange bowl with Texas Tech. We just mentioned Ole Miss, Tulane playing into Georgia and then Ohio State will be in the Cotton bowl awaiting the winner of Miami and Texas A and M. One last piece here. We did not get a chance to address it. Do you think Kyle Whittingham is a head coach in 2026? Because we know it. Because we know he won't be at Utah. He is stepping down and he did not use the word retire. We are stepping down.
- [76:12]
Tom Fenelli
I think Kyle's riding the motorcycle off into the sunset.
- [76:17]
Danny Cannell
I think he's a classic coach who doesn't love the way things have gone. He's made enough money. I think he's riding off into the sunset too. At least for a couple years.
- [76:26]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [76:26]
Bud Elliott
On live winning Hummer reported. This is a tweet. DJ Lagway wanted to stay at Florida, but the initial meetings between Lagway and new staff did not go well, according to multiple sources told CBS Sports on the split and what comes next for a former five star recruit. So read that now on cbs.
- [76:47]
Chip Patterson
Maybe Buster Faulkner talked to Danny. Buster's like, I don't know, man. I, I think we can do better.
- [76:56]
Bud Elliott
You know, I think it's, I think like a change of scenery could do him better, by the way.
- [77:03]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, we'll be very interesting. All right. We will. You can find us next on CBS Sports Network on Tuesday, noon eastern time after the show, you'll be able to get it on demand wherever you get your podcast and on YouTube.com cover3. Then we will be back on Wednesday on YouTube, YouTube.com cover3 for more analysis from the coaching carousel, the transfer portal and so much more. Dk, where are you?
- [77:31]
Danny Cannell
I'm at the Breakers Resort here in West Palm Beach. Yeah, go out. It's a little windy today. Tom's a little chilly.
- [77:38]
Bud Elliott
Ride your bike over there.
- [77:39]
Danny Cannell
71. That's a little bit more than, a little bit more than a bike ride. About 20, 25 minutes from the crib. Little golf tournament tomorrow.
- [77:50]
Bud Elliott
There we go. You gotta check in early. Get ready. Yeah.
- [77:53]
Tom Fenelli
Get the mind and body right.
- [77:57]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. We'll be back Wednesday with more analysis from the coaching carousel, news from around college football then Thursday, college Football playoff locks 11:00am as always, you know what to do. And one more time, if you want to compete against us in the bowl, pick them. It is splash sports.com/cover3again splash sports.com cover3 free entry to be able to get in.
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Chip Patterson
Looks like there's different weeks. Like there's the holiday slate, there's the New Year's Eve locks. There's the New Year's bowl locks. So an entirely new competition. We hope to that you will come and join us. Splash sports.com cover three for the official cover three bowl. Pick them and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fenelli. You can follow him@bud Elliott3. You can follow me at chip underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
- [79:22]
Tom Fenelli
Thank you.
- [79:23]
Bud Elliott
See y' all.