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🚨Coaching Carousel: Lane Kiffin Update | Florida Hires Jon Sumrall | Auburn Hires Alex Golesh
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Welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and Sports presents the COVID 3 Podcast.
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And welcome back to the COVID 3 Podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Bud Elliott. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere. Get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where they see those sirens in their feed. You know exactly what that means when 1, 2, 3, 4. I don't know, man. A whole bunch of coaching jobs are all starting to fill. It is 12:03pm Eastern time here on a Sunday. We were still early in our Instant reaction show about 12 hours ago. Good to see you again, boys. We wondered how quickly the news would come and the answers are both fast and yes, furious. Because since we woke up this morning, we have seen the final the finalized hiring for Florida Landing two lane coach John Sumrall. We have seen Auburn not hire the interim. Oh, many thought, no, no, no. Instead, Auburn has decided to hire South Florida head coach Alex Golish. And as we continue this train from the American Athletic Conference from the AAC to the sec.
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All aboard.
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Ryan Silverfield from Memphis also lands at Arkansas. So 1, 2, 3 coaches from the American leave that conference and now went to the sec. Of course, the Lane Kiffin saga continues. I think that I can say with some amount of comfort here at the beginning of this show. Please credit the COVID 3 podcast. I think Lane Kiffin will be the head coach of LSU in 2026.
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Yeah. No, I think that he's going to the Tennessee Titans.
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B
Still at this point, the stuff we're chasing is like, is Lane forcing the offensive staff to go with him to LSU and tell him they won't have a job? Like that. They're like, stuff I'm trying to find out right now that's like, you know, being rumored or reported elsewhere.
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Yeah.
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B
Like, can the players reach Lane? How pissed are the players? Like, you know, is he trying to take certain guys with him? Like, I don't know that he's doing that. This is like, you'll see me on my phone. It's just up and texting people about right now as we do this but we have some certainty and I think some, like, competent hires at some schools we actually can talk about, like, we don't need to be held hostage by Lane to do this show.
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A
But I swear, if you say that and Tom and I get roped into coming back to do a second show in one.
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B
Well, you guys are.
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Yeah, it's this vendetta grows. Vendetta. It grows. All right, so Bud, let's. John Sumrall, Alex Golis, Ryan Silverfield. Rank them in terms of how enthused you are and take into consideration a grading scale of what each job's expectations are when it comes to the coach.
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I would say thumbs up. Thumbs up for Auburn in Florida. You know, like Garth sang about. Right. Unanswered prayers. I think you got some, like, somewhere between very competent to really good head coaches who have proven they can, you know, they have Power 5 experience. They were good recruiters at the Power 5 when they were at a Power 5 school, that school did really well, I think in large part to what they did then. They went and proved they can be a good head coach, I think, in a lower league. So you have some of the, you know, P5, like recruiting chops, assistant chops. You understand how a good P5 operation operates. You have good connections. And on Arkansas, I think like hiring Silverfield, a guy who, you know, really couldn't get it done at Memphis despite the fact they have FedEx money. It. I just think, like, Arkansas was not a desirable job in this cycle. I think, like, all their stuff about how they're going to spend money, at least from what I had heard, is bluster. So I don't buy that Arkansas is going to start spending. So I can't say he's going to fail there. Most coaches fail. So I have no idea. Like Tom say the line, it's a.
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Great hire for all of them. I have no idea if it will work out exactly. Do Arkansas fans, now that they've hired Ryan Silverfield, do they all owe Bud an apology for telling you the truth for the last however many months about the situation?
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B
I mean, you can owe it, but I can't collect on that debt. It'll never come.
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C
What do you mean?
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B
But, like, they'll never. They'll never admit it, that, that the, you know, like, they, they don't have. They might have money, but they don't spend the money.
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C
And that's, again, we don't know how it's going to work out. Ryan Silverfield, good. Arkansas win a bunch of games, right? But it's just this hire for me, if I'm an Arkansas fan, kind of signifies that we're not all that serious at competing with the big boys when it comes to the money we have to spend in football. We're clearly more interested in basketball and even baseball a little bit right now. We don't have that available. So. Because again, like Bud mentioned it, like, Ryan Silverfield has been at Memphis for a very long time. He is 27 and 21 in conference play with the Tigers. He has never won the league. Memphis is routinely one of the favorites to win that league every single year because again, with the FedEx money, they're able to spend at a level that most of the schools in that league aren't. And I joked before the show, Ryan Silverfield is the Hugh Freeze of Jason Candles. Like, that's pretty much how I feel about this hire for them now.
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B
Like, they do have to at least pretend that they care about football, otherwise the SEC would kick them out. Correct?
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Right.
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But, like, it's very clear they want to win in basketball and baseball. So you kind of got to just pretend that you care about football enough. Right. Like, okay, I'll say my line, like the chat says, take the checks, take the losses. Somebody in SEC has to lose ball games. Other Arkansas fans would be happier if they were back in the Big 12. I've said this for a long time. You would be much more competitive. You would have a chance to win games on a weekly basis.
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For the two thumbs ups, let's start with Florida. At one time a part of the Lane Kiffin sweepstakes. We have discussed. I mean, we discussed John Summerall as a, as a, as a. No nonsense. Go make the move higher for Auburn. Right?
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C
Yeah.
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B
Auburn 100 thought they had summer all until Florida whipped on Kiffin and then he just took a better job.
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Is that the way you read it, Florida?
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Absolutely, yes. If Florida gotten Kiffin, I 100% think that Auburn was pulling the trigger immediately on Summerall. I think that had been done for a while.
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Is that going to be frustrating for John Summerall and for John Summerall's supporters? That there's a portion of the fan base that sees that Florida just hired another coach from the group of five after spending months in a fever dream, if not a year in a fever dream about Lane Kiffin? And if the narrative is. And look, I'm saying if the narrative is we whiffed, we screwed this up. I mean, Scott Strickland has become very memeable for the angry Florida fans out there that's a tough environment to walk into, even if you are a very good coaching candidate. The idea that a lot of this fan base is like, wow, we settled.
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B
Look, I don't disagree with that as far as the. I don't disagree that that is the sentiment of the fan base.
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Correct. You can't you. And it is a fan base ass sentiment.
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B
People are going to think this is crazy, but, like, I would rather have John Sumrall at what it costs to hire John Summerall, given how often coaches fail than to like, to drop, what, 100 million for Lane Kiffin, considering the buyout and like, how much it would cost to get him there and the fact that, like, he's failed at two, what do you want to call them, like, championship expectation jobs, Whereas Ole Miss is not a championship expectation job. He failed at usc. He failed Tennessee. Right. Like, is he all of a sudden going to kick this thing in hyperdrive and recruit really well? Maybe LSU is that damn good that you can do it. It recruits itself. I think there's actually like some behind that. Yeah, for sure. But I think Summer all is a hell of a hire. And if you're Summer all, you're looking at it like, okay, yeah, Miami spins in this state for sure. Florida State is an absolute show. Like, he was Kentucky's best recruiter under Stoops and like, they played nasty defense and pulled a bunch of upsets when he was there. Troy was basically kind of a dumpster fire when he took over with all the stuff going on behind the scenes there. Won the league at Troy, what, twice? And like, those guys play hard for him. They play hard nose defense. I like that he has not relied on a superstar quarterback to win games. That's one of my biggest red flags in the G5 because some of these guys ride a stud QB from the G5 to a job and then it's like, oh, wait a second, was it him or was it the qb? He also doesn't seem to ride like a, you know, like a wonder kid coordinator who you worry about losing. We talked about this with Brent Key, right? I think Key is probably a pretty damn good coach, but I think a lot of people you talk to say, well, shoot, what is Key without Buster? You know, Buster's kind of like the, the genius there. He goes to Tulane. They did have a superstar quarterback last year, a guy that was so good that Duke paid him, what, 7 million for the remaining 3 of his career and he took Duke to the AC title game and now he's back in the American Championship. He lost his best coordinator to Oregon. They didn't drop off that much. Like, I think to me, like there's a lot of experience there. Again, no idea if it'll work out, but I think Florida fans who are disappointed are drawing like, like unfounded comparisons between him and Billy.
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Yes.
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You talk to coaches in Sunbelt, they thought Billy was shitty as a coach. Sorry for cussing here. Like, they're like, dude with the resources Louisiana has, he should not be blowing games Jason Candle style. You don't hear the same thing about Summerall. Just my opinion.
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Also the life in the Sun Belt west even. Specifically not even Sunbelt. American comparisons, but the Sunbelt West. Yeah, yeah, Sunbelt. I mean, shoot. I mean John can tell you in.
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The summer we first guessed the Billy thing, remember?
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Yeah. Because we talked. Well, we also were looking at the component to Brian Kelly. That one.
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B
Right.
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Might have been. That was. That one was a whiff. But yeah, I. For, for Florida and for John Summerall, this feels a little bit more. This feels a little bit more like you. You are investing in a long term strategy that you want to build and that you want to grow with John Summerall as a head coach. I don't know. I mean the way that things have gone with Lane Kiffin, I don't, I don't know if you could have any idea what might happen in two years, three years, four years. Yeah. For that purpose, Florida, I thumbs up there. All right, what about Golish?
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My favorite part of this is that last night before the Iron bowl, there were all the reports that DJ Durkin was very much in consideration for this job and that he had a, you know, like so. And then this morning it's Alex Goles being announced as the head coach, which tells me that if Auburn had won the Iron bowl last night, DJ Durkin would be their coach this morning, which tells me that Auburn of all places. You're not going to believe this. They were going to put the entire program like consider it and base it on the result of one game against Alabama. As for the higher of Goles, I think it's a much better hire than DJ Durkin would have been.
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Also dj Could DJ get retained?
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I doubt it. I don't think Dirk is sticking around.
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I mean, look like if I'm hiring.
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Alex Golish and I liked what DJ Durkin was doing, I talked to Alex and I talked to DJ and I see if they think about trying to keep, keep up the program on the defensive side of the ball.
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So I don't totally disagree with that from a coaching standpoint, I do worry a little bit about like the palace intrigue stuff. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, do you want to keep a guy on board who clearly part of the Auburn faction wanted to hire? I firmly believe that one of the reasons Auburn waited a little bit longer to fire Hugh Freeze is to try to like, basically not give go, like not give Durkin enough momentum with that certain faction to get the Auburn job. Like, that's what we talked about that on the show for, for like a month before the, the Freeze firing happened.
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Like, what?
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Why aren't they firing Hugh? Like, people are like, oh, who's the play caller? They have three of them pick, right. They're not firing him because some of the cooler heads don't want the Durkin faction to win out on this thing. And if he went on a run because there are winnable games down the stretch, you know, maybe he gets the job. So look, he worked under Matt Campbell, right. He was the OC for Tennessee when they were like the best offense that they've been. I think, like personally just living in Florida, like USF does a great job of scouting it and like they're going to lose a hell of a lot of players off that roster. I think that's why Goles had to jump because they've done such a nice job scouting, there's no way they can afford to keep those guys. They're going to lose a lot of players off that USF roster, some of whom should probably just follow him to Auburn, to be honest. Like, they got a real like Singleton the receiver. They got a pretty like young, promising dn, like some premium position type guys who I think can play in the SEC and play well if like the chat says. Hey, does Goles fit the mold of like superstar quarterback again, riding that? In some ways, yeah. Right. Like, you got to be frank about that. Like, you know, we had hen and hooker at Tennessee who wasn't a superstar before he got there and Golesh, you know, helped him with that system. I'm a little less worried about the superstar quarterback thing if you run like the Baylor Brile stuff.
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Yeah.
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Because everybody puts up numbers in that offense. I mean, Aguilar is terrible and he's still putting up numbers for Tennessee this year. Right. So. Yes, but because the system. Slightly less worried about it, I guess.
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Typical anti align. I bias here. You don't mention that Galish spent four seasons as the tight ends coach and the recruiting coordinator at Illinois under Tim Beckman before he joined Matt Campbell at Iowa State, who used to work under Tim Beckman. So Golish comes off the Tim Beckman tree. Damn it. He's not on the Briles tree or the hypo tree or whoever tree. He's a Tim Beckman protege.
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How did that fruit taste off that tree, Tom?
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Delicious.
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It did it.
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Illinois was the best Mac team in the Big Ten during the Tim Beckman era.
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And in the division era, I was fine. That's all you needed. What is. And again, that when coaches talk about the calendar, when coaches are, you know, complaining one way or the other, one of the things they're also discussing is, yeah, the transfer portal. But bud, signing day is Wednesday.
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It is.
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What are these three programs looking like from the signing day perspective? What work is even possible to do if you get hired on Sunday to secure, maintain, like, what. What even can happen for Florida? I mean, Florida and Auburn in particular, I know Arkansas plays in. Arkansas operates in a different pool when it comes to the recruiting scene, but for Florida and Auburn, what does that look like with an eye head to Wednesday's national signing day.
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I mean, I think Florida is ready to win now. Honestly, Like, I think part of those guys kind of quit on Billy again. I'm very firmly of the belief that Lagway should have shut it down this year. He was not healthy in the off season. His receivers weren't healthy in the off season. He just never looked right to me, like, at all. But the pieces they have on that team, I. I think they're very ready, you know, to win. Auburn, I think actually, like, has a decent class coming in and Florida has a really nice class coming. I would expect most of those guys to stay, you know, like, Auburn's class is not amazing, but they. They have a couple nice pieces. I think Florida's done a really good job putting this class together. Billy could always recruit. He just was a bad offensive coach and, like, insisted on being the offensive coach, you know, like, and was not a very good head coach. But, I mean, in a different world, like, there are certain guys who I think are probably just so much better at one thing and should be in that role. Like, I think Billy for a GM is, you know, down the line would make a lot of sense. He's just not good at coaching football. But, like, that roster stacked, like, you watch the game on Saturday, physically, like Ford State looks nothing like them. Right. They do a nice job of scouting it. They got a lot of nice young pieces. They don't lose that much off this team. If they can keep them together. So I think they're pretty ready to win. I also think in some ways Auburn, if they can keep Coleman, they can. Like, you know, if Keldrick Falk doesn't go pro and some of these pieces, I, I don't think they're going to suck next year. Right. Typically that offense hits immediately. There's not a lot of a waiting period. If you're going to run that, what do they call it, the veer and shoot? I guess because they don't want the browse stigma on it, which I get. Like some of these guys who run this who weren't, you know, coaching for brows probably don't want that. And that's. That's fair. Right. It's an offense at this point. That was a long time ago. So if you run this veer and shoot stuff a lot of times, like there's not much of a. Of a break in period. Like it's just, it's ready day one. We've seen this across the sport quite a bit. So not at Ulm when they tried to put it in like a month before the season. That was not the best actually. But remember that like the last year of Terry Bowden there. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think both these programs should be fairly excited. And also my main thing is just hire somebody with a good resume who you can be nimble enough. If it doesn't work out, you don't want to get stuck in this new era where the players are the most important piece. See also Tallahassee. Yep.
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I like to call it the spitting on the sideline offense. It just sounds really fun to say and it actually does explain wide splits even to people who might not understand about hash marks and wide splits. Yeah, spitting on the sideline. Wide receivers so close to the edge.
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Why are they spitting on the sideline?
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What?
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That's what sideline do to them.
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Buddy. How much time you got? Okay, well, first of all, that sideline wasn't there when I went up to make that catch. I don't know why my foot landed outside out of bounds. That was disrespectful by that sideline. I didn't see that sideline there. This could have been a first down. Now you're saying incomplete pass. Okay, you can talk about that little chalk mark out there. No way.
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Problem with the kids today.
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It. It's also like we did have a balance of power shift in the SEC today. You know who reps Golesh and Summer all.
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Yeah, not and Silverfield. Not the guy who reps Lane Not Jimmy Sexton.
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It's Clint, who was Sexton's number two and is seen as the guy that, like, eventually will probably become, like, the next Sexton.
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And he's at a different agency.
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Yeah, Clint just needs to get somebody on that game day set in the worst way.
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Well, I mean, listen, this is, this is 4, 4, 4 outside of my expertise here, but if you want to avoid some of what we dealt with in this coaching cycle, I mean, who knows? Maybe it just becomes that there's a new king in town.
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Wait, so Clint also reps Elko and Drink?
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Oh, so he's just become. Nevermind.
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I may be wrong on him repping Silverfield. I, I. Silverfield might have stayed with Jimmy. Okay, so he either has four or five in the SEC now, which is like that. That's a different balance of power.
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And maybe means more raises for Drink and Elko, who they themselves were popular names on some of the the fan fiction boards before they signed their own big extensions, you know, during this coaching cycle. Well, you mentioned Lane Kiffin. We're starting to get more reporting from Oxford. The drama continues. So the latest on Lane Kiffin to lsu, what Ole Miss does next, and more next. It's the home stretch of the college football season. We're headed out of town. Rivalry weekend. Oh, college football playoff games, the whole experience. While I'm off soaking in the excitement, I realized my home could actually be doing something for me while I'm away. That's right. You can host your home on Airbnb while you're gone. And it's such a practical way to earn a little extra money. I started thinking about it. A few nights of hosting could help cover part of the trip or even fund tickets for my next game. It's easy and it doesn't take over your life. Just make your space available and then let others enjoy it while you're out having fun. And maybe it's not even a big game. We could do it when we're out for holiday travel as well. You come home to a little extra cash in your pocket and no hassle at all. So if you've got an upcoming trip, whether it's a football weekend, a quick getaway, or a family visit, hosting really does feel like a smart move. Seriously, your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much@airbnb.com host this episode is brought to you by PNC Bank. A lot of people think podcasts about in depth analysis on college football are boring sometimes, sure. But doing the research and understanding every game gives you the knowledge that you need to make small talk with any sports fan anywhere. It's like banking with PNC Bank. It might seem boring to save, plan and make calculated decisions with your bank, but keeping your money boring. It's what helps you live a more happily fulfilled life. PNC Bank Brilliantly boring since 1865 Brilliantly boring since 1865 is a service mark of the PNC Financial Services Group, Inc. PNC Bank National Association Member FDIC Hey.
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Season that I mean he's sabotaging their season, he's sabotaging their coaching search. He's just. He's all right. My two takeaways from this one. The offensive staff, Pete Golding staying defensive staff is staying sides line in the sand has clearly been drawn in that building on that coaching staff. That's my takeaway from that first part. The second part is the man who can't make a damn decision and has to keep pushing the deadline back and back and back is now telling his staff that they have until this time to make a decision or else they're not getting the job. It's almost like he holds himself to a different standard than he holds everybody else. Enjoy that 100 million LSU.
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B
I mean like I think Lane can build a fine staff at lsu. Whether he takes his entire Ole Miss offensive staff or none of them. It's Lane's offense.
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But I'm a little bit more interested in the per. Like, what does Ole Miss do.
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B
On this?
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C
Yeah, congrats, Pete Golding. You're going to be coaching in the College Football Playoff.
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B
That's a question the committee might ask.
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That sucks.
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Could be. It could end up being a great story for Ole Miss. What if Pete Golding and the Rebels go on a run?
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It. That would be storybook type stuff for sure.
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But I mean, you know, like Pete Golding and anybody else who sticks around will 1 million percent have the support of the fan base who is going to be curious with Lane. So you're gonna have that going in your direction if you have any kind of success. They're. You're going to have their full support going into next year if you end up becoming the head coach. So I don't know.
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A
Is he making the same ultimatum to the players?
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C
He's not talking to the players. According to one of the reports I saw.
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Like, that. That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's not like Ole Miss doesn't have money. Right. Like, okay, you can't come with me to LSU if you don't come right now. You can't leave now anyway. The portal doesn't open till January.
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Right.
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The coach things makes more sense because some of those guys would be out of an SEC job, presumably. Right. If, you know, if. If they didn't go with Lane. So he has leverage on the staff. He doesn't really have leverage on. On the players.
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C
Now.
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Maybe, like, maybe if you're trying to.
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A
Rally the players, don't play, shut it down.
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Yeah, I don't.
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I don't want that. I just don't like any of this.
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To who's benefiting for the player. Like in, like, how does that appeal to the player? I totally get the appeal to the coach. Like, again, it comes down to the leverage. Like, how are you. It's carrot and stick. I don't really know if you have either for the players.
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Oh, no, you're just promising. You're. You. I mean, the players are gonna have to deal with the new head coach. You are promising them a spot on the Lane Kiffin LSU roster. I mean, just players shut it down before bowl games in preparation of entering the transfer portal and going to spend next season somewhere else.
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B
That. That is true. Typically you don't see that on playoff teams in which they're leaving. Like, in which they would not.
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We typically don't see leaving a playoff team for a conference rival.
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B
Yeah, but like, typically These guys who shut it down are dudes who are going to make a lot more money elsewhere. Right. It's, it's a financially based decision, and they don't feel like they have anything else to play for. If you work the whole year to get in the playoff and you're making good money, and obviously Ole Miss spends really good money. They have an, they have an AD who believes in nil and, like, thinks it's the thing. And Keith Carter, like, they literally shut down and pause their stadium renovations. He's like, no, we're going to put, Put our money into player dev. In nil. Like, in. Into talent. I don't think you, like, what are you gonna say? Like, like, LSU's gonna double your salary. No way.
- [31:04]
C
You're. You're trying to use way too much logic for an completely illogical situation involving illogical men doing the logical things.
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B
Sure. I guess I'm addressing, like, will it work? I don't think that works.
- [31:17]
A
I don't think that works either.
- [31:18]
B
On the coaches, it might.
- [31:22]
A
But it's nasty. It is nasty, nasty, nasty work.
- [31:33]
C
These last few years.
- [31:36]
B
The.
- [31:37]
A
According to the reporting and this, this definitely looks pretty solid. The Lane Kiffin introduction introductory press conference at LSU will be Monday. So Lane watch will have another day before we are officially.
- [31:53]
C
What time is that at?
- [31:54]
A
I don't know.
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B
Neither do they.
- [31:58]
A
What?
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C
I'm just saying. How many times will it get pushed back?
- [32:01]
A
Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. I don't know.
- [32:03]
C
I mean, I, I don't really. I, I, I feel like if we've learned anything, we can't really put a timeline on Lane Kiffin.
- [32:09]
B
The chat is saying the LSU planes just took off to go pick them up. I don't know that's true. Or not, but.
- [32:16]
A
Or remember, they're sending two planes, right, because we got to bring another one for the dog. That lunatic. Excuse me, lunatic. Might be, because there probably are some lunatics in the COVID 3 tailgate. I don't want to associate you with Lane Kiffin. That sociopath had his little juice. Kiffin Twitter account tweeting pictures of the SEC championship game field. Did you see that?
- [32:43]
B
You know the one thing we got right throughout this entire thing? Lane's gonna make it about Lane.
- [32:48]
C
Yes, yes.
- [32:50]
B
Like that. We laughed at this idea that Ole Miss was going to give an ultimatum before the egg bowl. He was like, no, he's gonna want his 24, 72 hours of the whole sport focusing on Lane.
- [33:03]
C
And he also gets the situation where he puts Ole Miss in a real bind, which increases the odds that Ole Miss has a bad without him, which makes it look like he was propping that whole thing up.
- [33:13]
A
And by the way, that's a conference rival who you were fighting for playoffs against. Yeah.
- [33:19]
C
The whole situation is effed, period. Like, just. There's. It's all completely messed up.
- [33:26]
B
If you're a Florida fan and you're watching this, I don't know how you can be, like, crazy disappointed you didn't get Link Hen again. He might kill the lsu. Everybody does pretty much.
- [33:41]
A
I mean, Brian Kelly probably would still be the head coach if he wasn't an asshole.
- [33:48]
B
Yeah.
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C
You know.
- [33:53]
A
He didn't win championships by year four, like Saban and Miles and Ordron. Not Miles. Like, yeah, like Saban and Miles and Ordron did. But he. What? He made it. He was in the SEC title game. He was winning a good amount. Just. So what is that?
- [34:13]
C
I know they're both SEC gigs, so they clearly have giant spotlights. But as far as the spotlight on you, where do you think it's brighter? Baton Rouge or in Oxford?
- [34:27]
A
Baton Rouge.
- [34:30]
C
So, like, will the stories be about your trips to the yoga studio, or will they be about something else?
- [34:38]
A
Well, if everybody who decides they want to air out all their lane kiff and dirty laundry over the next couple weeks.
- [34:47]
C
That'S already starting. Yeah.
- [34:48]
B
That almost 24. 7 board is worth 100 bucks right now for subscription, man. I'm telling you. What. Like that.
- [34:54]
A
I. I saw Neil McCready said they got a sale going on.
- [34:58]
B
Dude, you want to go sign up.
- [35:00]
A
For that Ole Miss 24.7VIP. I mean, I want to say. I don't want to. Neil. Neil's done. He has done exhausting and thorough work throughout all of this insanity. So I want to make sure I get their sale price right, because, yeah, it's this. This is going to be one of those times, right, where it just. It happened after BK got fired at lsu. Stories out of the woodwork.
- [35:31]
B
Do you think Mike Sly would have allowed this?
- [35:36]
A
No.
- [35:37]
B
Like, Sanki's not a gangster. Like. Like, Sly was to you know, credit. Like, that's Godfrey's line. Right. But I think he's onto something here. I think Slide would. Would have. Would have called in Jimmy and been like, hey.
- [35:53]
C
Certainly possible. But I. I think we're in a different era now where, like, all this drama is good because you're stealing.
- [36:06]
B
It's also because. Because Ole Miss is not one of your Tiffany programs.
- [36:09]
A
Yeah.
- [36:10]
B
If it was happening to one of your. Like, to me, there's a clear, like, Eight and a half, nine in the sec. And then there's kind of everybody else. You know, I don't know that like if the roles are reversed somehow, which they probably wouldn't be, like. There's a reason Lane's leaving ole Ms. For LSU is because he doesn't think he win a title at Ole Miss. He thinks he went on LSU. 100 years of history says it's about right. I guess it's 5.
- [36:37]
C
However.
- [36:39]
B
You can't really. You can't really argue the. You can't really argue the opposite situation because it wouldn't happen to LSU that way.
- [36:47]
A
30 years of Ole Miss football, seven coaches in that span left for another SEC job. Fired, fired, fired, fired, fired. Left for another SEC job.
- [36:58]
B
Yeah.
- [37:00]
A
One of those fired for actual scandal. Another one of those with on field performance, plus maybe just some unsavory behavior.
- [37:12]
B
Yeah.
- [37:12]
A
Along the way. It is, it is for all of the. Well, this is a good transition into what Ole Miss does next because for all of the Ole Miss is a different job now. And that was a talking point when we were saying, what is Lane Kiffin going to do? Well, it's the new era. Why would you need to go? Ole Miss has everything that you've got. They've got money. They believe in Nil. They have shown you what can happen. But buddy, the way this is gone definitely does make it feel like you're still just lil Ole Miss. Because you know what the thing is, Bud, everyone's got money. Well, obviously the other school we talked about maybe choosing not to spend it, but it's like the Ole Miss improvements have also been as everybody else is improving too.
- [37:58]
B
Yeah. And look it, in some ways there's a bit of like the, the conversation we had about drink wits. Like drink. You didn't get an extension at Missouri or get out because they were first movers in the nil space. Them, them and Ole Miss. Missouri and Ole Miss. You know, specifically, like, does your first mover advantage dry up? Some of the guys who were first movers in the portal, which Ole Miss also fits in that category. Although can you do a nice job in the Portal? Like, does that dry up as a. The portal dries up some with the, the advent of these multi year deals, fewer guys are going to be hitting the portal. Right. But yeah, I, I still think Ole Miss is going to spin like crazy. They're going to be really motivated to show like, hey, this was not just Lane and Lane's obvious motivated to show. Hey, it was just me.
- [38:42]
A
So who do they Hire. What kind of job is this?
- [38:45]
C
It's a good job. College Football playoff there.
- [38:50]
B
Yeah. It's probably top 20, right? Is it top half sec?
- [38:57]
C
Yeah, right now it is.
- [39:01]
A
Right now it is.
- [39:02]
B
I mean look, summer all pretty clearly chose Florida.
- [39:05]
A
I would say Florida.
- [39:08]
C
You know what though is that? I mean, yeah, I think Florida is probably a better job than Ole Miss, but that's also bird in the hand.
- [39:16]
B
That's fair.
- [39:20]
C
Some, some people are actually able to make a decision instead of telling you hold on, I need more time to think. And it's like, well, I can take the Florida gig or I can wait out to see Ole Miss. I don't. I think he made the right choice. Yeah.
- [39:35]
B
I just think Ford is a better job than Ole misses. So do I. But yeah, you don't wait on Ole Miss and turn down Florida.
- [39:40]
C
Do you think Ole Miss is a better job than Auburn?
- [39:45]
B
I think they're about equal right now.
- [39:53]
C
I think I'd rather have Ole Miss because Auburn's just, I mean that's a circus.
- [40:00]
B
Auburn has shown you can recruit. High school titles are still come out of the high school level. That's kind of the one thing Ole Miss is not showing. That's probably like the number one reason why Lane is bouncing.
- [40:11]
C
Auburn has also shown that they will stage a coup to get you out of your gig.
- [40:14]
B
Yeah. I mean that's the reason why you'd entertain Ole Miss as an equal or slightly better job.
- [40:20]
A
Yeah. When you fly to Auburn, you land in Atlanta like your, your ability to get really, really good high school players is it is better to do that than it then easier to do that in my opinion than it is to do it Ole Miss. I'd rather have Auburn than Ole Miss, but I, I don't think too slightly. I don't think they are drastically different jobs. That's fine.
- [40:47]
B
Look, Auburn also had that nil mishap, remember over the summer where they were like, oh, we're not gonna, you know, give anybody offers until like a certain deadline type thing. Right. Like that. That looked pretty amateur hour.
- [40:58]
A
Ole Miss. How about this? Ole Miss has better alignment. Auburn has some better potential. Yeah. And like Auburn has geographic advantages when it comes to building out high school recruiting. If you want to make the College Football Playoff, Ole Miss is probably your better option. If you want to win a national championship. Auburn might be able to provide that as well.
- [41:21]
B
Mike, do you think they go internal and hire Joe Judge as the full.
- [41:25]
A
Time head coach right here come to Judge.
- [41:28]
C
Here come the Judge.
- [41:31]
A
Do you?
- [41:32]
B
I don't know, I. I know that Auburn was really worried about. About summer all taking Ole Miss.
- [41:40]
A
Right.
- [41:41]
B
I think Auburn's freakout moment was probably when Florida realized they weren't getting Lane and pivoted.
- [41:50]
A
So who's on. Who's on Ole Miss's list? We know that Keith Carter, the athletic director and some of the university officials, at some point when they were getting fed up with everything going into the week, they at least started to put some. Put some work in on what it might look like to have to replace Lane Kiffin. But, guys, some of those names went off the board today.
- [42:12]
B
I mean, do you hire Pete Golding? He's done a nice job there.
- [42:19]
C
I mean, that's the thing. Like, Golding is going to be the interim. I'm assuming Golding will be leading them in the playoff. The emotions of the situation lead me to think Pete Golding is going to be the next head coach at Ole Miss. Because then you combine that with the fact that so many of their top targets are literally the coaches. We've been talking about taking jobs elsewhere on this show.
- [42:38]
B
You know, a guy I would go get if I could, if I was sure I could get the oc is Brent Key.
- [42:50]
A
That. That man stood up there and said, cut me open, see what I bleed. Guess what? Blood is red and blue depending on whether it's in your body or not.
- [42:59]
B
I mean, like, a lot of the rumors last night from the Durkin people were like, hey, they're gonna get D.J. and he's gonna get Buster.
- [43:09]
A
Interesting.
- [43:10]
B
And I was like, I don't love that, but I don't hate that, you know? Yep. Again, that's just rumors, like on message sports stuff, but, like, just, you know, running through hypotheticals if they were to come open.
- [43:22]
C
Speaking of higher, Buster, if you're that high on him, let Key stick in Georgia Tech and bring his oc. Why? Like, that's the thing. Like, schools seem terrified to hire coordinators now.
- [43:33]
B
It's wild.
- [43:35]
C
And it's like, you think. But you think of who A lot of these really good head coaches were they where they came from before they got the job.
- [43:42]
B
What were they?
- [43:43]
A
If I'm going to be giving you.
- [43:44]
B
What if you go get. What if you go get lanes, D.C. at LSU, Blake Baker.
- [43:50]
C
Like a trade you work out like a. Is there cash considerations going one direction if you do this? Yeah.
- [43:56]
B
I mean, so here's my thing.
- [43:58]
A
If you were going to be paying, and I understand that, like, if you hire an oc, you're probably not going to be paying Close to the market rate of what you've got elsewhere in the conference. But if it's an SEC job, you're still going to pay what, $8 million? I'm asking. I don't have the salary database.
- [44:14]
B
Yeah.
- [44:15]
C
Somebody else getting what, seven and a half? I think I saw was the report.
- [44:19]
B
That makes sense. And probably not like a nine year deal.
- [44:23]
A
Right. I understand if you want to. If you're giving the keys, the resources, the oversight. I understand if you want someone who's had to organize a program, if you.
- [44:34]
B
Want head coaching experience. I think Dicker actually like, like the, the early flags on him I think are like green that that era goes straight up, man.
- [44:45]
C
Yeah.
- [44:47]
B
Like what he did with Wake's roster this year is seriously impressive to me.
- [44:53]
A
They couldn't get it done. They could have saved us. We could have had.
- [44:57]
B
There's a lot of bra. There's a lot of braum smoke, by.
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A
The way, for Ole Miss.
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C
Yeah.
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B
What about manny diaz?
- [45:16]
A
That'd be great for Manny.
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B
He's a good coach. But I mean, I think Penn State should hire him.
- [45:24]
A
That'd be great for Manny.
- [45:25]
B
It would.
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A
I don't know.
- [45:28]
B
Will Stein.
- [45:29]
A
Yep. He's on the list.
- [45:31]
C
Yeah. I just. When are we ever going to have a Penn State emergency podcast.
- [45:38]
B
After the Big 12 title game?
- [45:39]
C
I mean, I will say shout out to Pat Kraft. You look at what's going on in the SEC with everything. That's everything just getting leaked out and we're getting updates about like what people like candidates are eating for lunch. You ain't hearing coming out of the Penn State coaching search. Somebody's running a tight ship.
- [46:02]
A
Yeah. Neil McCready said that they've got 75 off VIP access for the first year if you want to go sign up for Ole Miss 24 7. He also offered and I love this line. He said this two hours ago. So this is, I guess as the meetings getting pushed back. Neil said, I covered Mike Price going to strip clubs and losing his gig at Alabama. I covered a Tennessee booster laundering money through a colleague in Mobile. I covered Q freezes, firing Laramie, Tunsil's draft night and more. But this takes the case. We have a new leader in my crazy. I've covered.
- [46:44]
B
I mean I.
- [46:45]
C
He.
- [46:45]
B
He's said a lot of really like pressing stuff here. This was three hours ago roughly. But like their two choices right now are awful. Let the office of staff leave and basically torpedo the college ball playoff chances or let the LSU coach work in your building for up to 50 days.
- [46:59]
A
Coaching your players and that's what the position that Lane put him in, right?
- [47:05]
C
No, no, no. That was the position Lane was put in when they forced him. When LSU brought the gun to his head with the bag of money and said, you're coming with us. And Lane was like, please, no, no. I need to leave my team.
- [47:19]
B
Thanks, Jimmy. Kirk Saban so okay 9 so this is 1020 eastern so like 2 hours ago per source and again rebels 200, 247 does a great job like Neil awesome higher about 247. He crushed it. Arrivals for so long. Prosaurus Ole Miss leadership council is on its way to Lane Kibbutz office in the Manning Center. Players aren't happy with Kiffin and that's putting it mildly. Ole Miss deciding in the machinations of an interim staff with either Pete Golding or Judge leading in a hypothetical situation. Golding would stay in the coaching box upstairs while Judge would run things from a field level. Makes sense because Golden's got to call the defense right. And then Chase Parham, you know, obviously done Ole Miss stuff for a long time. Does a good job. Lane Kiffin didn't answer call. This is 9:25 so 10:25 Eastern like 2 hours ago given didn't answer calls from Keith Carter during the leadership council meeting. We're told the council is going to see Kiffin because of that lack of response. But I haven't seen an update on if they actually got a hold of them.
- [48:16]
A
They have pick for they have pitchforks. They're marching through the Manning facility.
- [48:21]
C
Players are like come on coach, we just want to talk.
- [48:25]
A
I just want to have a nice remember, they don't.
- [48:27]
C
They don't care. The players don't care. They get it. Lane told us that the players are fine with it.
- [48:34]
A
Yuck. All right, so again in summary we have that set like we've got the stuff that we were able to talk about. The very top of this emergency reaction show that John Sumrall will be the next head coach at Florida, that Alex Goelish will be the next next head coach at Auburn and that Ryan Silverfield will be the next head coach at Memphis. LSU is scheduled to have an introductory press conference to introduce Lane Kiffin as the next head coach at LSU Monday morning. Currently there are planes on the way to Oxford and now we wait to see how many coaches cross the line in the sand and go get on that plane.
- [49:15]
C
Mr. Not big on ultimatums is giving ultimatum.
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A
Yuck. We of course will keep you abreast of all the latest as we get it. We will be back at 11:00am Eastern Time on Monday for upon further review, we got DK to jump in and see what he's got to think on the matter. As well as our update on Pole Assassin, we'll get Bud's college football playoff projection and more of our notes from a robust week 14. It's championship week, boys. Time to bring that championship energy. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fenelli. You can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chip underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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C
Thank you.
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B
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