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And welcome back back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Danny Canel. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where Jerry and Jordan and Yovi and Brent all have conversations that we're going to get going right here on a Monday. Real quick. Just figure that we need to jump on this one too because Trenton jumped in and said glad Ahmad Hardy is okay. Definitely did not want to see that this morning. So again, not to start on a bummer, but I did want to send our thoughts and prayers to Ahmad Hardy. For those who have not caught the news shot early Sunday morning at a concert in Mississippi. Statement coming out from Missouri that you know he's in stable condition. Reports indicate that recovery should be okay. But I mean they are hoping he will be back to playing football. But this sounds super serious. And so first of it was a second leading rusher last season. But I don't want to, you know, get this down to just well what is the backup going to do? Because this is just a very scary human thing for Hardy Right here to kick off the week.
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Yeah. Hope hopefully everything's okay and he's, you know, regardless of football, he just. Everything's okay and he gets back to living his life.
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, this is every coach's worst nightmare, every parent's worst nightmare. You know, I think it is he was back in Mississippi. Right. So, like, coaches feel like you have some control, even though you really don't. But when they're on a college campus and then, I mean, I remember anytime we took off for spring break, for summer break, for any time they were out, like, hey, it's kind of like the big warning, like, be safe, be careful. But you just never know what can happen out there. But obviously we hope for the best. Like you mentioned, glad to see you in stable condition. Hopefully he's fully healthy and fully recovered and you just hate to see stuff like this unfold.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm not going to dig too much into it. You know, maybe I should. Maybe if I was a. Maybe, maybe if I was an investigative reporter. But right now I'm a fan of college football and a fan of Ahmad Hardy. Really, really fun. I hope he is able to get back to full health and be able to still accomplish a lot of the things he wanted to this fall and, and with the rest of his career. So glad he's okay. As Trenton said, we appreciate you jumping in to get things started. All right, well, as you see here in the headline, couple things we want to get to on the recruiting side, we've had some headlines, including a. A big name picked up by Northwestern in terms of the commitment. We'll dive into that one, as well as a big five star flip for Mario Cristobal in the Miami Hurricanes. But as we have spent a few different episodes discussing the different proposals and the way things have looked. On Fridays, CBS Sports Network, I enjoyed getting to run down our proposal of what a new calendar would look like. Well, late last week, our own Brandon Marcello. I mean, you want to talk about stellar investigative reporter, you know, Brandon Marcelo, got his hands on one of the documents that is being circulated as part of the White House's push to be able to reform college sports. Now, it is important that we note that this has been identified as a, for discussion purposes only, literally socializing the document. Danny, we are always trying to socialize these things. Lots of different pieces of this, including comments in the tailgate we'll get to in a little bit. But dk, I'll let you get. I would like to start here. What's your favorite part of the many, many different aspects of the White House plan for college sports reform?
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There's a few. But I will say probably my favorite part is that for the first time I have seen, actually, because I was at a graduation party on Saturday and talking to some other parents and they were like, these kids are making too much money. We need to put a cap on the players. For the first time, I have seen the coaches proposed salary cap. So I'll say from that standpoint, like, there's a lot in here. I think there's some really good things. I think there's some things that are outlandish. But for the first time I can recall, we've seen an actual salary cap mentioned for coaches and administrators. And I say, amen, it is about time. Because it is not just the players whose salaries have grown exponentially and the coaches have been doing a lot longer. Again, will this ever happen? I don't know. But at least finally we have somebody speak up and say, hey, it's not only the players that are making money, it's the coaches as well.
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Yeah, my concern there, I mean, that is my favorite part of it. But my concern is if you can only make like what, 10 million at the college level, then when does Ryan Day leave for the NFL? When does Marcus Freeman leave for the NFL? Because if the NFL is not going to have a cap on how much they can pay coaches, you're going to start seeing a lot of coaches or more coaches anyway, probably prominent ones leaving for the NFL where they can make more money. So that's an unintended. I, I don't hate the idea. It's just, I wonder what it could lead to, what other kind of problems it could cause kind of like a brain drain in college football.
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Is there not already a little bit of that?
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Not. I mean, there's been some, but not to the extent I think it could be. If you literally put a hard cap on how much a coach is allowed to earn, like, I think what you would end up seeing is accomplished coaches would end up moving on and most college coaches would be some of the younger, still trying to prove it kind of types, which we're also seeing. It's not exactly, but I just wonder what kind of impact it would have on the sport overall. Like, if a lot of your more prominent coaches are leaving.
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I think this is one where you have to like, because I've taken this stance from a couple coaches. When you see them get played or the athletic directors get played, like, all right, if he Wants to move on, let him go. There's other coaches. I think you kind of have to take that approach. And if they do, then you say good luck. I think there's like. And it depends on what the cap is. Like if, let's just say it's 10 million bucks a year. That's a lot of money. You can have a really nice lifestyle. You wonder where else they would try to make up for some of this. Like would they give longer term deals, you know, to coaches? So they would stay and then are
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we still seeing the buyouts assistance, you know.
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Yeah, like if it's all one pool and you've got a head coach that's making like 80 of your pool, you're going to start losing assistance to the NFL too. So like some of the young up and comers could leaves. It's, I don't know, we would need to see what the format for it is. But I could also, I would anticipate it would be no different than the players where when they're, when they do come in with a salary cap or whatever the hell they end up with, this player is going to be listed as making 4 million a year. But we know there's a very realistic chance that maybe, you know, like the old bag man days. So like maybe Kirby smarts getting 10 million, the absolute max from Georgia. But hey, he's got this contract to do a radio show that's paying him 5 million a year. So it's, it's going to be such situation like that. So I don't, yeah, it's, it could just be cosmetic by the time it's all in place.
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Does the South Carolina football coaching job have some Augusta rights to it or was it just that Scurrier and Holtz had Augusta rights and so therefore I might be thinking that they, that that was where that connection came from. I don't, I mean Columbia, Augusta, Georgia, I mean I know they're different states but they ain't far, far from each other. So there could be some, some old, old, old member that's been able to keep that thing running as an advantage.
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If, if Shane gets the Gamecocks to the playoff, Augusta gives him a membership. Is that contract.
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Absolutely. One of the great strengths and weaknesses, again strengths and weaknesses is that there's not a lot of set numbers in this. You mentioned like what the salary cap would be for coaches and Danny, you mentioned 10 million. Well, the document as I understand it doesn't necessarily even have numbers, which means where it's like we're giving You a charge, and we're letting you figure out what all the details are, which is one of the things that are real challenging. My favorite part, very favorite part actually, is a little more specific, something similar to bird rights, the idea that if there is a salary cap that schools would be able to spend in excess of that salary cap without being penalized to keep your best players home. We talk a lot about how the fan experience of many things that have started to go against the fan experience is the inability to wrap your arms around a team or know who's there. I thought that that was one piece of this that stood out to me as something that probably could practically be put into whatever. I mean, if. If we're talking about salary caps, if we're talking about, you know, CBAs or deals, if you could put in that one wrinkle where players would be allowed to benefit more staying where they are than hitting the open market, that would help because what would have we heard? We've heard players just put their name in the portal just to run their own number up because they just. Well, now all of a sudden it's a bidding war. And now all of a sudden, even if I wanted to stay at this school, now all of a sudden I'm. I'm going to be. Now I'm going to have the financial incentive to do that without having to jump into the transfer portal to turn it into a bidding war.
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Don't like it.
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Don't like it.
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Okay, what is. Oh, first off, just in principle, it limits the free market in that a player is only going to be allowed to earn so much somewhere else and he has to stay where he is if he wants to get more than that. So it limits their earning potential. But the other side is, what if we argued that the greatest impact of the transfer portal in NIL has been.
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Oh, spreading the talent out.
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Yeah. So now if you can pay players more to stay, Georgia can once again go back to just hoarding all the players and then paying them more and going over the cap because, hey, you're staying. So we get to pay them more, we get to ignore the cap.
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Dagumit. That's a good point.
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Yeah.
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Thank you. I have them once in a while.
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So go back to the. We'd see more of a priority on recruiting again then if that was the case, like. Yeah. And they actually, George has been one of the programs that has recruited well and hasn't had to use the portal that much. That's a good point. Now we know why Adam Silver was there. Like, I. Like, that's the first thing I thought of, because I remember thinking, like, what's he gonna do in there? And I just picture this roundtable, and I just see him sitting there being like, hey, I have an idea. You know, just like, putting his hand up, like, hey, you know, we have this thing called the bird, right? Like, I just. I picture that taking place, and I.
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I think it makes more sense at the NBA where you see how it goes. The players have so much more control. Like, the players can hold the teams hostage and say, listen, this is what I want. Bring them in or I'm going to leave. And then, you know, my bird rights or whatever, or I'll demand a trade. I'll make you sign me and sign and trade. The players aren't going to have that same kind of power in college. It's going to be holding them hostage more than anything.
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Interesting. Tom Fornelli, the last free market man in Chicago, says, Jerry B. There you go, standing tall. What did you think about the group of six playoff idea you're in?
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I've been saying this for years, years, trying to get this done. Let's have a separate playoff, a separal, a separate national champion for a different level. It's a different level. Like, we've got the FCS playoff. We have D1 D or, excuse me, D2, D3. We have other levels that have their own championship. We can actually finally acknowledge that the power four and the group of six are different levels of football. Instead of, oh, let's act like who's in? And then they show the graphic rolling really fast. They have all these group of six logos, and you're like, well, yeah, you can get in, but do you actually have a shot? And it's probably. I know we saw last year, we saw two, but for the most part, it's going to be one team gets that shot, that lucky chance to get blown out the first round. I would rather see a whole playoff of teams that are on level, level playing field, competing for a national championship. So I say I applaud that group of six playoff with their own championship crowned.
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Daniel, can I ask you a question?
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Oh, no.
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Who won the NIT this year?
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I have no idea, but it is.
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Exactly. But, you know, that's why this idea sucks, too.
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No, you are.
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You are literally creating playoff.
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They don't call it the NIT playoff, but you need to call it something different.
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You're making them a separate league. You're just. You're creating a divide. You are saying that this is a lesser product. You're just.
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It is though. But wouldn't you are. It is a different product.
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It is. But while they're part of the FBS level, they have to have access to the same playoff. Now I know Bud loves it because he doesn't have to worry about player safety anymore. Thank God. All similar body types crashing into similar bodies. But I just. Nobody's going to watch the group of six playoff. It is not a feasible product. Like it would be no different than watching the Boca Raton bowl or the, you know, Birmingham bowl is really all it's going to be. They'll do some numbers but it's not going to generate a ton of revenue for any of these schools. So once again you are limiting these schools ability to get money. Like yeah, there's only one school that maybe gets into the playoff. Although if they expand to 24, I bet you'll see more than one or two. You'll probably get maybe three some years. So that way you're getting playoff money for these conferences which will help them pay the players in order to build their programs as this sport becomes far more expensive to maintain. I think most of these ideas are dumb. I think that they ignore what we really need to do for college football. I think that this is the result of a bunch of different people just sitting around having to justify coming to these meetings and coming up with ideas and throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Which is why this is for discussion purposes only. The only things we need to figure out are A eligibility and B give them the antitrust exemption so they can have enforceable contracts. That's it. You sign a multi year deal, then if you transfer you either have to pay some of the money back or you forfeit the deal. That's all you have to do. We don't need any of this dumb group of six playoff stuff. We don't need to cap coaches salaries. We just need to come up with a format where players have to stick with what they do. If you sign a four year contract, okay, great. You either play the four years or if you decide to transfer, the school that is taking you has to pay the other school that they're taking you from. They have to quote unquote, buy out the contract. That's all you got to do.
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I can rock with that's no fun though. You don't get to go to D.C. and separate subcommittees and come up with ideas. Come on.
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It is fun for fans though because I will say, like Chip knows, like if you're a soccer fan, the transfer window is fun. Like the rumors and all that kind of stuff. It's kind of like trade rumors. It's for fans. It gives you something to be attached to during the off season that isn't just Congress is getting together, you know, like that kind of stupid. It's actually fun speculation. Instead of this, which is just everybody trying to justify making a trip to Washington, D.C. if the Group of Six
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has its own playoff, we should not expand the big one to 24, correct?
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Yeah. I thought it was interesting that they did put a number in there. To see the 75 number was kind of the mark of, you know, delineation there between, you know, the Group of Six and whatever that future looks like. I thought that was. That was a good move. I also thought it was interesting that they're talking about pulling media rights, which has already been discussed. They need to fight. You say no. You don't think that's a good idea?
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Who are the people pushing for them to pull meteorites?
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Well, all right. So this is the Big 12 in the ACC. Yeah. I mean, this is just like that. This is.
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Cody, are the big.
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No.
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Give up their money. The SEC doesn't want to give up their money.
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No, see that. I think there could be a lot more at stake. I think there could be a lot more money out there that they desperately need to find.
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They are only going to pull their money, their television rights, if they create one giant league. That's it. And the SEC and the Big Ten really don't have the motivation to do that right now.
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They kind of see it as we already have. Our one giant league. Yeah.
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Like the one person. And again, the one person who is truly pushing for the pooling of media rights is Cody Campbell, the guy who is footing the bill for a program that does not make nearly as much money from television. If they get pooled meteorites, guess who hasn't have to spend so much money to put together a football team every year? Cody Campbell. Like, let's look at the motivations behind who's pushing these ideas.
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Hey, American Athletic Conference commissioner Tim Pernetti also thinks it's a good idea to pull rights.
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Exactly.
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Let's get them all together. We'll jump in. Yeah. We'll come in, we'll throw our credit card in the middle on that one.
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I mean, never don't. I mean, I don't want to be too much of a company man, but I do think it'd be a better thing if it was spread out across more media companies. And CBS was able to get back in the action on some SEC games potentially, you know, and you would see the College Football Playoff spread out among different networks. So it wasn't just owned by espn. I think some of those could be healthy for the sport, you know, so there's not that, oh, espn, SEC or whatever, the accusations are made.
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Whoever might make those accusations at any time ever.
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Whoever, Whoever would do that.
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There is some actionable details from. Again, Brandon Marcelo. You can check out the full report@cbssports.com the Congress, as it's proposed for discussion purposes only. Congress would oversee the College sports reform task Force which would exist within the current NCAA structure. So Congress would oversee a task force which is set up inside the ncaa. It would operate for two years to get the reforms put in place and then leave behind. I mean, truly, they are talking about a regime change, guys. They are taking the CIA's regime change playbook and saying we need to get inside and we need to set up a new government and then we're going to get out and we're going to leave it in place and y' all are going to be able to take care of it the rest of the way.
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They've already created dissension with the 2014 playoffs. Like, just get everybody mad at each other and have them argue. Like, they've already, they've already got, like. The first part of the playbook is
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instilled, you know, destabilization as a method to achieve power. I just, it's the calls coming from inside the House, guys. They're just, they're. They are tearing us to pieces.
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It's a plant. I always knew it. It's a government plan.
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I heard he doesn't even watch football. He's just a storm chase.
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Exactly. It definitely doesn't watch it.
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Definitely not. They're pushing for adoption before Congress's summer recess. That what Congress would need to do would include those antitrust exemptions. I did. That seems to be the one piece of this, Tom, that you were like, yes, like, if Congress was able to put in an antitrust exemption for the ncaa, so the NCAA could move forward with enforceable contracts. That's the path that you seem to be looking at right now.
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Yeah, I, I don't think we need to change the sport fundamentally. We just need to give the schools and players power to just have contracts without going through the whole making them all employees kind of union stuff because A, not all the players want to be in a union and B, it'd be impossible to have a Union, where there are 138 schools now, and they're minimally 85 players on each roster. So it's like you're looking at 9,000 players. How are you going to be able to get them to agree to something? So you just have to find out a way to get that done. And really, the only people who could do that is the government. And they just, again, they can create that body and then let the body do things that they have to do just to get that done, and everything else will sort itself out. We don't need a group of six playoff. We don't need coaching caps on their salaries. We just need enforceable contracts. That's it for both coaches and players.
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Let me ask you something, because what exactly does the antitrust exemption give them? Does that give them blanket power to. To all of a sudden say, well, you guys can't transfer at all? Like, you know, I hear that and I get a little bit nervous about what could be behind the scenes and how much power and leverage. Cause I hear coaches and politicians, everybody saying, yeah, we need to get, we need to go back the way we were. And the only way to do that is bringing an antitrust exemption. Does that put like, is that where they have to pay attention to the salary cap, the 20.3, you know, like, which could be a good thing. They're still getting paid, but it definitely would restrict some of their ability to earn money. Right.
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My understanding, and I. I'm far from an expert on this, is in order to get the antitrust exemption, it would have to, like, lay down the groundwork for what the rules would be, and then for Congress or the White House to approve it and then to make changes to any of that, you would then have to go through Congress. So you're going to have to find something middle of the road enough like you're not going to be able to get rid of the transfer portal, because there's no way that's going to get through a Congress with the Democrats if you don't allow that kind of movement for the players. So you actually have to compromise and come up with something that will actually work, which I know for Congress, probably a very, very foreign concept, which is probably why it won't happen, because nobody there knows how to do that anymore. But that is ultimately what you need to do. And whether or not this administration or the next one or whoever the hell is capable of doing it, I have no idea. I don't put the odds being very high, but I do think that it. The, the Solution is simple. The process to getting there is damn near impossible.
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They want a free market, but also not a free market at the same time.
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Correct. Which. Which. Welcome to the United States.
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Well, I would argue they didn't. They never wanted a free market, which is why we are here with a true free market and we're seeing some of the issues that can arise with that.
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Yeah, we will see. Again, the document is hoping before the Congress's summer recession that they'd be able to have some sort of congressional action. We'll see on that. I'm sure that the socializing of such documents here in platforms like this are going to lead the conversation down that road and sounds like. Sounds like we need to get Tom invited to the next summit.
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No, thank you.
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Would you zoom in?
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No, thank you. Everything I need to say I've said on this show. Just give them the transcript. That's all they need to hear.
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No, no, but you look so good and sound so good. Give him the clip. Okay.
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Am I blurry still? I don't know.
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No, you're not blurry.
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You're great.
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Yeah, you were. You were razor sharp for everything that mattered. Striker, send the clip to the White House. Well, they'll understand what to do with it, watch it and, and put it into action. All right. So anything else from either Marcelo's report or just sort of the. The idea, what's here?
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Yes, a couple things were really good, I think. And this makes me wonder, because I always wondered this, is there a chance we could see a return to the old traditional conferences for the non revenue sports? You know, like that makes no sense whatsoever when we're doing all this for football and basketball. Why are Cal and Stanford's track teams traveling to Wake Forest to play? You know, and, and I think it actually, I wonder if that's a possibility. I don't know if it is. If that's something that we could actually see is like, oh, you know what was really fun when those teams were competitive and they had a conference that they played for a conference championship and they didn't have to travel outside of the, you know, that portion of the country. It makes no sense. I don't know how you do that, but I think it was smart to put it in there.
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I mean, that's the, that's as soon if. If we do see the power conferences start to join together in any kind of super league type model, the next move has to be a reorganization of
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the non revenue sports like everything else. Yeah, and I'd rather see that than Arkansas shutting down their men's and women's tones program, you know.
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Yep, 100%. Did you catch any of Bubba Cunningham's vision? Yes.
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The bifurcation comment?
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No.
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Oh, yeah.
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You want to.
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It was pretty alarming. You can start with I was telling some people about this party I was at.
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Yeah, it's Tom. Basically a view of college sports where it is pay for play in the revenue sports and pay to play for all of the Olympic sports where we no longer have scholarships or the revenue sports subsidizing those other teams. Those other teams, the athletes are all paying as though it were a club sport, basically.
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Right.
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So football players wouldn't be on scholarship. They're.
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No, they would be paid. They would be paid to play. You know, like they would just be
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paid to play and then technically their scholarship would come out of their salary.
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No, no, no, no players, Soccer players no longer get scholarships or volleyball players
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might have to go to a private school.
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The bifurcation is a split between. In the whole athletic department, where paying someone to be there only happens for the revenue sports and everything else are just opportunities that people are paying to be able to participate.
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You still have to pay your tuition.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So.
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So you get to go to this.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So really, it's just. So they're just getting rid of the sports?
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Pretty much. I mean, you go, well, you could still play them. Just you got to pay.
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Yeah, but if you want to. But I mean, in this.
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I take Bill Belichick's side in this one. Bubba, get the hell out of here with that.
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I had.
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What, what, what about Title nine and all this? Are they allowed to do that? You know, I don't, I don't know how that works with Title 9.
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Maybe.
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I thought we had protections for exactly that. You know, reason. Was it I. Did you see the quote? I don't know if it was a Bubba Cunningham quote or the article that was written about it or it was the interviewer, but did you see the question that was posed? If you're in North Carolina, would you rather have a two and a half million dollar point guard or would you rather have a women's tennis program? I think that was like the exact sport they used.
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I know Chips answered well, it was
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like, ask the boosters. That every single booster is gonna be like, I want the 2 1/2 million dollar point guard. That was kind of his point about what's the priority? Because the point guard is going to bring you more revenue. It's going to bring you, you know, Ticket sales, all those things. So that does concern me especially that was always my big concern with this whole movement was the impact it could have on women's sports. I have three daughters, you know, that want to play in college. So that's always been my concern. And by the super hardcore, like pay the players like Jay Bilis's are always like, they'll figure it out. You know, there's money to go around. There's money to go around. And you know, I just, this is one thing that's concerned me for a while.
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I know Bubba's a big fan of the COVID 3 podcast, I think it was, which brings more value to the university.
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Okay.
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Your two and a half million dollar player or you know, a whole program. And it's. Yeah, it's the two and a half million dollar player who's participating in the sport that's on television that generates the money from the media rights deal. That's, that, that's where it's all coming from. And I mean, Danny, to the, looking at it from the father of a Division one athlete, you know, you, you are looking at that same AAU model that you've been in for years and years and years and years. They would just extend it. Right, right. For the, the U18 Gators or you know, whatever the, the AAU team is. You've got to keep paying for the travel costs and the tournaments. It's just now you get to trade out that uniform for Elon, you know, and it's. That's wild because that's gonna, that's gonna be a self sorting of the athletes. You know, you're limiting the opportunities that athletes have. Didn't love.
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Then you go like to potentially fundraising or finding sponsors. Like, you know, somebody in there said would you pay to sponsor or would you pay for. Would you fund FSU's volleyball program? No, but I would help them if they needed sponsors. Let's go try to sell it. But that's I think, reality of what you might have to do to try to keep some of these programs from falling apart.
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Didn't we? Good luck trying to find a spot. Didn't we sponsor a softball team, Tom?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah. See we got practice. We could be your consulting firm. We can sponsor your softball team. Cover three podcast, if the price is right, we can, we can be able to set it. Yeah. Great call. Interesting stuff all around. Again, these are some of the discussions that are happening. Spring meetings are going to be coming up over the next couple of weeks, so keep your eyes out for some of the headlines and conversations as we'll get athletic directors, conference commissioners, head coaches, and more kind of weighing in in a more relaxed setting. Danny, you went to spring meetings a couple of years ago, right? Amelia?
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Yeah, I went to Millie Island. My wife loved it. I brought her along for the trip. It is exactly what you think. There's a very nice hotel involved. It was a Ritz Carlton. There's a lot of closed off meetings that just are for the coaches and the athletic directors. And then there's a lot of media members kind of circling in the hallways. But then at the bar at night is when really like, that's when you get the good intel. Is that the, like the lobby bar there is the spot.
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All right, coming up on the other side, Miami with a big recruiting trail win and an interesting visit to Northwestern. All that and more.
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Next.
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back here on the COVID 3 podcast, college football tradition asks, can you sponsor my adult kickball team? We are 2 and 5.
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Get them numbers up and we'll consider it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Talk to us before the season. I mean, if there's one thing we're not buying low in week eight on your kickball team. Okay, what is.
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What's the average score of an adult kickball game? Like 45 to 30.
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Way.
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Well, you don't think they can't play defense?
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Like, if you're using like those balls that we used in like, gym as kids, you tell me.
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Yeah, the red one.
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Take that thing like 300ft.
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Yeah, but you have outfielders, like, you can catch it.
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But I'm saying, like, I would be bombing that thing over the wall every time.
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No no, no. They are slightly deflated. They bounce funny. Squaring up the laces to that thing as it's rolling in. I don't know if you can whomp it over the. The. The. Whomp it over the fence as easily as you think. I see a lot of. I see a lot of like kind of dead ducks, you know, like you hit it off the toe.
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Yeah, I'm an athlete, so that sounds
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like a skill issue. Tom says. All right, let's take a spin around the recruiting world where it was an interesting visitor to Northwestern. That's right. Ryan Day's son RJ has committed to play at Northwestern. Is this a. Is this a good sign trajectory sign for David Braun? Is this a sleeper cell combined with Chip Kelly to just take down Northwestern with a couple Buckeyes from the inside. What do we did did It's Ryan Day, son. What'd you make of this one?
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Why doesn't Ryan Day want to coach his son? What's going on there? What? What?
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No, there's a video of that. Isn't there a video of him saying why he didn't want to play at Ohio State?
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I have a 25 second clip if
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you guys want to play it.
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Yes. Let's strike her. Coming through. Let's go.
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Yeah, we say all the time I could come here if I wanted to,
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but would it be a great fit?
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I don't believe so.
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I don't think that Ohio State would be a good fit for me.
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What is it about our state that
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wouldn't fit for you? If you don't mind me probing that quite that answer?
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Well, you know, coming into it, I just feel like a lot of people would have their own reservations about why I'm there.
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I want to do something on my own.
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My whole. A lot of my life has been
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about being someone's son. I feel personally that I want to go do something for myself and try to make a name for myself instead
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of just being someone. I love that answer. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I love that answer. Was Ryan Day like. Was that played back for Ryan Day
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or was he in the interview beside each other? I think they're sitting in the same area.
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They were in separate rooms.
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I had to edit the video around,
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but he was in on the interview. Okay, that's great.
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It's good there.
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Thank you, Stryker. We appreciate that. Yeah. Three star recruitment. Top 50 player coming out of Ohio according to 24. Seven sports. 5 11, 203 three star quarterback. Top 100 quarterback appropriate for Northwestern's recruiting profile. His other offers Included Boston College, Cincinnati, Purdue, Syracuse and more. But I mean, I read this as a Chip screams to me, Chip Kelly,
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Right, Yeah, there's that connection there, obviously, because Ryan Day played for Chip Kelly.
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That's what I'm saying at this point.
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So there's clearly that connection. Far as the recruiting advantage of going to Northwestern, good school, too. But yeah, I love the answer that, you know, because let's be real, like, if he'd gone to Ohio State, you said he's a three star.
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Yep.
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Probably not going to be at the top of the depth chart most of the time he's there. And then he would just be looked at as like, oh, he's only on the roster because his dad's the coach. So I think giving him, going somewhere else. And you mentioned he had a lot of P4 offers going somewhere else where he's gonna be able to compete and have a realistic spot of, you know, getting the starting job and then proving that he's more than just a name, more than just the son of a coach. I think that's an excellent move for him. And I think Northwestern, with Chip Kelly, like you said, he's 511.
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Yep.
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Good coach for that. Like, if he's mobile and he can put him on the move, like, and stuff and use his arm and, you know. Yeah, no, that makes tons of sense. I, I, this is Northwestern where, you know, they haven't had the most consistent quarterback play under David Braun. So, yeah, no, good move.
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Big time. Go ahead, Danny.
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I think it's a really tough spot for this kid to be in because the cynic in me says, well, the only, well, it's a brilliant PR move because you don't go to Ohio State, but you go to Northwestern where you mentioned the relationship. Chip Kelly coached Ryan Day in college. I've just seen this so many times, whether it was, you know, you give my kid an offer, I'll give your kid an offer, then we'll take care of each other on the back end, like down the road. Like, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if RJ Day, one Day is probably a coach and he's probably going to be a head coach before long. And maybe it's, you know, I don't know where it comes from, but I do. Like, I hope he does well, I think it's great, but there's a, there's just a part of me that, and maybe it's my flaw that I look at this and I'm like, My first question was, I wonder if he's Getting a scholarship or if he's just committed to go to Northwestern as sort of an invited walk on, you know, to go play there. But in any case, I'd love to see him do well. I think it'd be awesome.
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Also, the loses to Illinois every time they play. That's right.
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There was a lot of commentary about how. What it must have been like to like, take Ryan Day on an official tour.
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Right. You know, what is how much do you show them?
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That's.
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You don't want to give him the trade secrets there at Northwestern?
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I. I don't know. You know, I don't know.
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I think Ryan's. I think he's probably got a pretty decent idea of what Chip Kelly's playbook looks like.
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That's just like imagine. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jordan's had it. How about Ryan Day getting the full facilities, tour recruiting pitch at Northwestern for his son? Is it 40 chess or being a great par?
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First of all, Northwestern has tremendous facilities. They're right along the lakefront, so. But I just, I think if I'm Northwestern, I'm okay with Ryan Day visiting and seeing behind the door because I don't know how many players we're both in on anyway.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking is. It's just, it's actually a stark reminder of how you're not competitors, you are both members of the Big Ten Conference, but you and me, we ain't the same. And I think like the director of player personnel, I think had to know that as he said. Hey, Coach Day. Yeah, come on in. Come on inside. Tailgate says he visited Clemson as well, which does not surprise me.
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Long history of Ohio State, children going
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to Clemson, all the herb streets.
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Yeah.
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No, that is what Ryan Day speaks very fondly of Dabo. Ryan's first full season as head coach. They played against each other in the College football playoff in 2019. And Ryan says that at one of the first, like both teams are there, that Dabo invited him over. And you know, it was like Ryan and his wife and Dabo and, and his wife and they talked about coaching their sons and having sons as football players and just like instantly made a connection. So I know that they, they speak very highly of each other and they've had some, some big time showdowns on the field, certainly, but, but that's another one that doesn't surprise me that as he's going around this tour, he'd go check in on, on Dabo Sweeney because the two of them both, I think, see the World the same way Ryan Day, obviously a little bit more adaptable, but they both share a lot of similar instincts. Big recruiting news for for the Miami Hurricanes. Five star cornerback Dante Wright flipped his commitment from Georgia to Miami over the weekend. He's a California kid, 6 foot 2, 170 pounder who 247 sports, has ranked as the number 10 overall player and number 2 cornerback in the class of 2027. It was a big time move for a reshuffled defensive staff including Terry Jefferson, who's the new cornerbacks coach there after they lost a coach to the NFL, to the Cardinals staff. So good early win. I. I don't have the playbook necessarily on right here, but not super surprising that we've got the Miami Hurricanes cleaning up in defensive recruiting.
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No, but what is kind of ironic is that, you know, if you look at the 2027 team rankings right now, UCLA is third, USC is fourth, and this is a California kid that's choosing between Georgia and Miami. So it's like, wow, okay, you would think that with their momentum they'd have been able to land them, but I don't even know if USC was ever really close on them. I think UCLA was, but no, it's. I mean, I trust the evaluations of Georgia and Miami when it comes to defensive backs. I trust the evaluations of our 247 team. I just do wonder when you see somebody going across the country like that and there's still a long time between signing Dan. He's already flipped once. You do wonder.
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Dk, would you. Did this one come across your desk catch your eye at all?
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Yeah, I mean, I just think it's kind of Miami. You know, there's been so much made of the portal, but they are kind of balancing it out where they're crushing it in both and that's how you build up sustainable success there in Coral Gable. So I think it's. It's more positive signs if you're a Hurricane fan. Absolutely. You got to feel great about it.
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In the last 15 years covering this sport, we have had times where a team has a breakthrough on the field and then there are complaints. That said, I wish we could have backed that up with better recruiting. In the immediate wake of that, Miami has been very good. I mean, that's how you get Reuben Bain, that's how you get Mark Fletcher, Malachi Toney. You know, that's evaluation, that's winning the outworking your competition on the recruiting trail. Something we've always heard about Mario. But to be able to after they've Hit that last step, right flip that last switch to get the on field success to match it up for them to be able to continue to stack that success was very interesting. Can we get the. The team rankings up again, Tom? Because I did want to call attention to this. Bob Chesney. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So going into the spring game, did you guys see this? A USC fan was buying up dozens and dozens of the RSVPs to the UCLA spring game.
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Yes. Yes.
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You know, so I was, I was kind of viewing in to be like, oh, man, how did this prank turn out? But do you know what I ended up getting a lot more of on that spring game weekend? CUCLA spring game two weeks ago, I think it was one of the last ones there was. UCLA came out with a ton of commitments and like, real commitments, players who other players wanted. So Bob Chesney, famously somebody who gets it.
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He.
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He had all that lined up to be able to finish the spring strong, have a good spring game with your. With your 2026 team, but then back that up with some visits and some commitments again. 7, 4 stars out of the 19 commit so far for Bob Chesney. I do not think they will be top three for the entirety of the cycle, but something worth noting when they flash like this after where they had been over the last couple of years.
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Yeah, you know, Bud's. Bud's blue chip ratio might be dead when it comes to national champions, but when it comes to, like, recruiting rankings, you can kind of look at it at this early stage and kind of figure out which teams are far more likely to still be ranked that high. And, you know, seven blue chips out of your 19 commits means you're probably not going to be top three by the time the dust settles.
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Yeah, right. I mean, 12 for 13 for Texas
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a and M, they'll be there.
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Yeah. Texas A and M will still have a say in the top 10 all the way through the stretch of the 2027 cycle. But still, if it, if the job is resuscitating a program that's. That is still some. Some good work there. You got to hold on to them. You got to land the plane all the way. Reminder of sort of what the. The next couple months look like. In June will be a lot more recruiting news. Those June weekends are all big recruiting weekends. Different schools have different camps. You're trying to get the players first on campus when they've got other options to go elsewhere. So you've got to win that. And then when you get them on campus, a lot of these coaches, Coaches and coaching staffs are going to be looking for commitments as well. Well, coming up on the other side, we're going to dive into the big old bag of mail with one that's been rattling around and I think deserves a few minutes of our time. And it specifically asked the question, what happened to the buzz around Jamie Chadwell? All that and more next back here on the COVID 3 podcast. A few minutes left here on a Monday. A reminder that on Thursday we will be opening up the big old bag of mail. You go and leave us a five star review and in that review you put your mailbag question. We'll tackle it in a future mailbag episode. Spotify comments, keep them coming. We will continue to address them. And of course you show up YouTube.com cover 3 before the show gets started on Thursday. Get that question in. We will likely hit it near the top of the show. But for right now, striker, can we go on down to the mail room? All right, this one was about three weeks ago, so I wanted to make sure it got brought up. And so we'll take tackle it here on a Monday from Apple user name @t stars. Since you guys had the courage to spend nine minutes on Purdue. Remember that three weeks ago we spent nine minutes talking about Purdue football. Since you guys had the courage to spend nine minutes on Purdue, I know you can give us a few on Jamie Chadwell and Liberty. Not long ago, Chadwell was a potential hot candidate and seemed to make a lateral move for better resources and in order to carve a path to a P4 job. After a coaching carousel with tons of openings where experienced head coaches got looks over upstart coordinators, his name barely came up. So I ask you, what happened to Jamie Chadwell? P.S. when are we getting a Cover 3 charity golf event? Claire, you set it up. We'll be there.
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Absolutely. We'll be there.
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Okay. We'll, we'll more on charity golf once we, once we meet with our team. But, but let's answer t star's question here. What, what happened to the buzz around Jamie Chadwell?
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I mean, I, when you look at things, I mean, there's, there's never one clear reason. But I, I kind of wonder if Jamie Chadwell was getting buzzed for Grayson McCall's performances more than anything. Because if you look, Jamie left Coastal after a very good run there, you know, and then went to Liberty and he was 13 and 1 in his first season. Then he went 8 and 4. And then last year they went 4 and 8. Like it was a terrible year. And We've talked about Liberty having far more money than anybody else in that conference. So in an age where money matters more than ever, you would be like that. That's a shocking result. But it's not like Coastal is done anything different since Jamie left. Like they went 8 and 5, then the last two years they've gone 6 and 7. So Jamie's gone backwards, Coastal's gone backwards. The one difference is Grayson McCall left. And I just kind of wonder if they just had a really good quarterback. Or maybe it's also the offense as people kind of caught on to it. Because like when he first got to Coastal, there was a lot of talk about how it was basically a souped up triple option. And maybe now that there's a lot more tape out there and we've seen it, defenses have figured out ways to slow it down more. I mean, it's a number of things.
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Who was that was Salter, though? Was the 13 one season right, correct?
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Yeah.
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And then weren't there reports that Salter wanted to leave but he kind of had to go back to Liberty? You wonder if that kind of starts things in the wrong direction. And then when you've got Salter there, it's hard to bring in other quarterbacks. I was just gonna say, when you have a 4 and 8 season, like, clearly the Buzz is going to be gone no matter what. So that has like sort of a recency bias that has hit home. I also think Chadwell was kind of unique in that he was willing to take the Liberty job by saying, hey, this is a faith based university. It's more about the money for me. I'm kind of going to do this thing. And I think he got a pretty good contract from them where it's kind of been like, well, like if you want to get them, you have to buy them out. So he's kind of just been forgotten about when every time the coaching cycle comes up because he's kind of set there at Liberty. So I know it's probably, probably a bunch of all these reasons he former
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FCS quarterback who sort of made his bones as an offensive coordinator and offensive leaning head coach at good programs like East Tennessee State, Charleston Southern. Like these are the, these are programs that typically are going to be competing in the top half if not competing for championships within their own conference. Not all. I mean, I'm not throwing you in the same North Dakota State, South Dakota State type conversation, but still ones where you're used to leading successful programs, you're used to winning. I think the Buzz Part of this is different than, am I selling Jamie Chadwell stock? I am not selling Jamie Chadwell stock. I think you cannot hire James, you cannot hire Liberty's coach unless Liberty's Coach just went 13 and 1. Does that make sense?
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Right?
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Yes.
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As an athletic director, if you're selling this to your boosters, you have to sell it as his stock was at the highest when he comes off that Liberty year. Because if you take his two to three year run between his last two years at Coastal to his first year at Liberty, his winning percentage is unbelievable. Like, that's the moment when the Buzz was at an all time high. But because of the contract, a deal he agreed to, a move that he agreed to make, then, yeah, you are going to not be. No one's going to be paying that money coming off a 4 and 8 season. So that's where the Buzz goes. But I still think there's something about, like, people may have caught up to a certain scheme, but when you've coached that long at different levels, I have to believe that you've got to be able to coach. I'm not ready to bail. Right. I'm out on Jamie Chadwell.
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BK supreme is in the chat saying he'll sell you his Jamie Chadwell stock chip.
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All right, bk, let's go. Is that. Would that be Bebop or Rocksteady on the emoji or on the.
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I don't remember which one that is.
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That's either Bebop or Rocksteady.
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Yeah, it's one of those turtles.
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One of those. One of those two henchmen right there. All right, let's see from the tailgate. Yovi jumped in before we got started, said saw the NCAA proposal of loosening up requirements of 5 and 7 team to make a bowl game. Will that lead to more teams participating or opting out? Do you know what our. Our tailgate was all over. Who won the nit?
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Oh, nice.
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They're like, yeah, Auburn beat Tulsa in the NIT final.
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Stephen, girl, let's go on the Birmingham bowl that six teams turned down before they could get to the seventh. Who accepted the bid?
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App State accepted it. I think they lost the game, though. I don't remember. I don't remember who they played.
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I. I have an idea. Instead of loosening the restrictions to allow five and seven teams to play in bowls, how about we just get rid of some of the Bulls?
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Yes.
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Just lop off the bottom. So then we're not even just getting like.
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Not even like, just give her like three or four of them.
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Yeah, that's it.
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So you got to do.
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Yeah. A 5 and 7 team getting in, though, can lead to a great moment for your program when it's like, no, no one. You won that big bowl game. No one asked who it was against. Right. You know, you were just, you, you were the champions. You were the. Because I think Wake Forest beat Rutgers. Rutgers opted in because Texas A and M opted out of a bowl game.
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Now this is a very, very specific problem that like, maybe only I have to deal with and maybe you have to deal with Chip once in a while. But like, when you're doing research, the problem with letting five and seven teams in the bowl games is you'll see a team finish the year 6 and 7. So you assume they lost their bowl game. Now I'm going to have to double. Yeah, now you're going to have to double check just to make sure. Which is going to add at least per year, five to six minutes of research time that I'm suddenly losing and I can't get back.
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Or three to four edits after I get yelled at on Twitter for making mistake in an article that someone then goes to find along the way. Yeah, I think that loosening the requirements for five and seven teams to make a bowl team will lead to more teams participating. I think there are more teams who are five and seven who are closer to six and six than there are six and six teams that are like six and six teams that are unhappy to be there. Right.
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But.
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Yeah, but part of the situation that we've seen is typically the five and seven teams that they're putting in are power four teams. Because there's, there are years where like bowl eligible G5 teams don't get bowl invites because their conference doesn't have enough. So like, this could just be costing G5, G6 teams Bowl appearances. And again, you know, I'm here to defend the G6 today. I don't, I don't need to see 5 and 7 Rutgers over 7 and 5 Missouri State. If I'm going to watch a bowl game, give me the team that actually won more of its games.
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You know, and some people are pointing out, I mean, correctly, ESPN owns a lot of those Bulls. They need programming that is 100% true. And guess what else? As much as we can complain about them, they do rate pretty well. Like people tune in to watch them, they rate better than college basketball games.
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But now that Skip Bayless is back, maybe we could just put Stephen A. And Skip in that time slot instead.
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He's fixing your sport. He's fixing. He's fixing your programming schedule. He's Tom for Nelli. One of a kind. Right there. All right. We will be back on Thursday, though. Not Tom. Tom.
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No, I'm not.
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No, not time on Thursday. We will be back on Thursday. Danny and I holding down a big old bag of mail episodes. So make sure you go and get your questions in and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom fidelity. You can follow him at Danny Canal. You follow me at chip underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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See ya.
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Criminal Minds Evolution is back.
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We are going to go where the evidence takes us this season.
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Evil is contagious. Problem is, once it starts, it can't be stopped. Criminal Minds Evolution new season streaming May 28th on Paramount. Plus.