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Indiana can can sort of cement itself as we are no longer this team that's going to be fighting for six wins anymore.
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Michael Swaim
Malachi Toney Is he going to be ready? Dante Moore he showed improvement. Better command.
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Bud Elliott
What's going on y'? All? Bud Elliott here. Welcome back to Summer school on the COVID 3 college football podcast where we try to break down give or take 70 teams in the offseason, get you all schooled up, and today we are going to Lawrence, Kansas. That's Michael Swaim of Fog.net Michael, welcome back, man.
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Michael Swaim
Thanks for having me on, bud. I always look forward to doing these every kind of spring and summer. So excited to talk some Kansas football with you for sure.
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Bud Elliott
Disappointing year last year, you know, given the expectations that we're going into the season, you know, 5 and 7, you know, some coaching changes made, I guess we'll start there. Well, actually, let's start with kind of the general vibe around the program now. They had a couple really, really nice seasons. I know, you know, you had, you know, smartly said, hey, like there are high expectations. It's also like, it's hard to maintain, you know, this level, you know, when you're, you know, trying to raise your ceiling, but also, you know, bumping up against what is kind of historical, you know, in some ways. What's kind of the vibe around there now.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, I think there's definitely frustration. You know, you have back to back five and seven seasons, and in both of those seasons, you can look at moments and say, if KU falls on a fumble against UNLV in 2024, right? K goes to a bowl game, right? You look back to last year, right? If Trey Lathan intercepts a pass from from source B against Cincinnati, right? Ku Go 6 and 6, makes a bowl game. So I think there's frustration with the way that the seasons have panned out where it's been a lot of so close almost. And last season was definitely another one of those. Right. I mentioned the Trey Latham play against Cincinnati. You go against Arizona on the road, your defense plays as well as it has all season. You need one final stop, you can't make it. And so it's been kind of two years full of those kind of moments that have fans, you know, frustrated and the coaches are frustrated too, by it, you know. But now going into this year, there's a lot of turnover again, a new quarterback ca goes to London. So. And there's going to be some stadium construction going on as well, where ku's not going to have a full capacity stadium this fall. So we're going into a season now where there are just a lot of outside factors going around the program where, you know, KU needs to get back to a bowl game. But I think there's fair questions of with the schedule, with the questions around quarterback and with just the home field advantage not going to be completely what it maybe could be in 12 months time right when the stadium's fully complete. So it's definitely interesting time for Kansas where the program obviously had the great year in 22, making the first bowl game and then 23, nine wins, a little bit of stagnation. And this is kind of maybe a pivotal year now to see, hey, can you get back to making the bowl game consistently or is this something where K's going to be in kind of this five win range again this year? And then there are definitely questions going into 27.
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Bud Elliott
So let's start here with the offense. Probably the headliner for me is Andy Kotelniki returns to ku where I thought he did a fantastic job when he was paired up with Lance before he went to Penn State. Obviously Penn State has all the turnover, so he's available again. It's difficult, I would imagine to walk this out independent from personnel, but if you can, let's try. Like how will this offense look different? You know, obviously the players dictate a lot but like, are there things you think they'll get back to doing that he liked to do that maybe they didn't do quite as much during his absence.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah. So I think just completely looking at things, the creativity in the run game was definitely something that lacked. You go from colder Nikki to Jeff Grimes. Grimes tried his best to kind of square peg around, hole it with what KU was doing with Jeff and the stuff that he had done, it didn't really work. And then last year KU goes internal promotion with Jim Zabrowski who had been with Live Pole, then been with Kodaraki and kind of knew the offense. But Zabrowski was always more of a passing game guy than a run game guy in case run game really struggled last year. Obviously, you know, Daniel Heishaw and Lee Sean Williams, perfectly fine college players, but not Devin Neal. Right. The greatest running back statistically that Kansas has had. So now you get cold Nicki back and if you go back to 22 and 23, what made Kansas so dynamic? It was, it was some of the option game but also just the creativity in the run game. And I think that's something that Kotelniki is going to bring back. And it's worth noting that, you know, Zabrowski stayed on staff as the quarterback's coach and that's the role he's had for as long as he's been with, you know, Lipold at KU prior to his promotion. So he's backed kind of in the role that he was in in 22 and 23 when Kansas offense right Looked great. And so I think staff wise, right, you've got the band back together for KU now and it's a question of can you kind of rekindle the magic and find it again? And, and I think that's going to be the. The biggest question is with different personnel, right? You don't have Devin Neal, an NFL running back who again was so prolific, you're trying to find your Jalen Daniels. And for as much as Jalen had shortcomings wise throwing the football, it's in terms of an option quarterback. He had the speed. So I think you're going to see Kansas try and get back to a lot of that stuff that made them successful. And I'll be interested to see what kind of wrinkles Cold Nicki brings from his time at Penn State. Right, coaches grow over time and so there's going to be new stuff. And that for me is kind of the biggest question then is how do you kind of move the offense forward and not try and just run back something that all the coaches have tape on from 22 and 23?
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Bud Elliott
You mentioned the quarterback. It's a legitimate battle, or do we feel pretty good coming out of spring that there's kind of a front runner here between what, Ballard, Marshall, Jenkins? That's.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, yeah, those are the three. It's close. I think Cole Ballard will be KU starter. That's just based on the feel I have leaving spring. And that's part of the, you know, it's an open competition, right? The guys are going to compete, but the fact that nobody came in either. Chase Jenkins, the transfer from Rice, Isaiah Marshall, right, a young quarterback KU's had, who in terms of athleticism, like, is one of the best athletes on the team. But the question is, can he consistently throw the ball and can he run the offense to the level that Cole can? And so you go through spring and there's not one guy that really takes the competition by the scruff in the neck. And that's the biggest question now. And you're looking at it and saying, okay, if Isaiah didn't show that he's taken the big step, or if Chase Jenkins was banged up with a soft tissue injury for most of spring and didn't really do a whole lot, 11 on 11, well, then you kind of end up looking back to the guy who the coaches showed they preferred because he was the backup quarterback last year when Isaiah was also on the roster. So right now I think it's trending towards Cole Ballard being the starter and then Isaiah Marshall being a guy that gets snaps because he's too good of an athlete not to play him. But you got to find ways to put him in position to be successful. And right now I'm not a thousand percent convinced that's him going and being your starting quarterback and dropping back to pass, you know, 25 times a game.
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Bud Elliott
You mentioned the run game being lean on much more obviously. Marshall, you know, probably have a big factor in that. I'd imagine they'll, you know, with Kotleneki's creativity. Running backs, Dupree, Willis, Edwards, like, do we have a feel here? Is there a clear number one guy?
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Michael Swaim
Yeah. So it's gonna be really interesting to see what Katie does. Obviously Dylan Edwards, you get him from K State, like that is a dynamic, dynamic player. And if you're looking for someone to provide that same pop that Devin Neal had couple years ago, you're obviously looking at Dylan Edwards and saying, well, that's the guy that's got to go make those chunk gains for you. But I don't know if you're going to hand the ball off to Dylan 15 times a game between the tackles, just physically, that's not who he is. But that's where you kind of couple in the right Colonicki and his experience and the creativity where you'll find ways to get Dylan Edwards football. But now you've also got someone like you said, Willis from Syracuse, who you look at him at spring practice and my man, like he's a big bruising running back. Like he looks like he could be a linebacker. He came in for an interview with us and I'm still learning faces at the time and I'm like, who's this again? It looks like one of the linebackers, it was Willis. So you've got kind of a thunder lightning combination there. Jalen Dupre, Colorado straight transfer, was banged up, didn't participate in spring football. True freshman Corey Mockery is going to be something to watch because I think that he really took a big step forward in the spring. He's got the physical development already. It's a question of, hey, can you learn the playbook? And he really took some good strides forward. So he could even maybe be your third running back depending on how Dupree looks during fall camp. So I think running back, he's got the bodies, they've got the different profiles of players that I think you feel pretty good about that position group.
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Bud Elliott
So receiver. And this probably plays into the idea of wanting to get back to the run game too. But like they do have some losses There they bring in McMillan from Buffalo. Is he like expected to be the one or like, it's more of an internal. And he's a two who. How do we see this shaking out in Kansas?
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Michael Swaim
Yeah. So I think, right, Nick McMillan, leading receiver in the Mac last year. You hear Buffalo, you think Lance the eyeball throughout, you're like, oh, he brought over another Buffalo guy. And not quite. That didn't overlap, but KU did. Or the KU staff now did offer them when they were at Buffalo, But I think McMillan's going to be kind of your wide receiver one. But in reality, it's more of a 1A 1B with Cam Pickett. Okay. You know, he's someone that Pickett, early last year looked really good. Then he had like a high ankle sprain, ankle injury that really impacted him kind of through the middle of the season. And then kind of towards the back end of the campaign, you really start to see what he was about where during camp last year at the word was like, hey, this is the guy who we think is actually the best all around wide receiver. So you get those two. I think you feel pretty good about Pickett being your slot, McMillan being out wide, and then kind of the question is, who can step up so, you know, between Nazi Cox from Middle Tennessee or Keaton Gobeka, a guy that's been in the program for a couple years. So again, top two, you feel good about third guy? Not sure. And then after that, once you get past number four, it's really a question of, okay, which freshman can or redshirt freshman can really step up offensive line.
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Bud Elliott
I mean, like, keeping Clements, I think is a huge win. I, I, I just think he's got a lot of potential there. Foster's back. There's three other starting spots. Or is Foster not back?
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Michael Swaim
No, Foster's NFL.
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Bud Elliott
Okay, sorry.
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Michael Swaim
Amir Herring is the one that's back.
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Bud Elliott
Gotcha. Okay. That's what, three starting spots that are upper grabs here?
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, yeah. So it's really interesting. And, and Calvin, man, he had a rough first kind of half of the year. And then you look at the last couple weeks of the season, right. Showed some potential. He's someone that they need to really step up. Right. Your left tackle took his lumps last year. Then you look kind of the next question was, okay, right tackle, who's going to be your starter? Will they go and get Nick Moreau from Cal who traditionally played left tackle there? They're working him at right tackle. I think he ends up winning there. So those are your tackles. Then the Question comes down to center, right? You get Case and Carpenter from Oklahoma State. You see backup Oklahoma State, you're like backup on a Battle State team. You're expecting to start. Well, the starter at Oklahoma State went to Wisconsin. He's a really good player, and so it's not necessarily like he was playing behind a nobody. So you need Case and Carpenter to step up and earn the starting spot, because if he does, it allows Amir Herring to stay at guard. And then you're looking at really one position being a competition. That's the. The other guard spot, right guard with Connor Stroh from Texas or Tavake. Twico Lavatu, former UCLA transfer who was with KU last year, was kind of their first guard off the bench. Maybe a little inconsistent, but they feel pretty good about the steps he's taken during spring practice. So definitely spots up for grabs. But you really need Carpenter when the starting job at center, because if he doesn't, then you're moving Herring to center, and then you gotta move Strode on the other side and you got a whole other kind of dominoes that end up falling. So KU needs a better play along the offensive line. It was inconsistent last year at best, and so you just need it. And I'm curious to see how with the tackles like Clements and Moreau, they seem like maybe more pass pro guys. So interested to see how those guys maybe progress over the course of the summer and fall camp in terms of being maybe more consistent run blockers.
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Bud Elliott
Is there a guy on this offense that maybe you or. Or internally ku, they don't expect to hit the ceiling this year, but like, if. If you know, something happened, you know, over the course of the next six, seven months, you're like, oh, okay, like that. If he was to actually arrive, that really changes your opinion of this offense.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, I'm not sure it comes down to one player, honestly. I think there's a couple guys that I look at. I think if you get Nazi Cox to play at his best, that gives you a third legit wide receiver on the outside. Right. He's six foot four. I mean, he can run long. Strider had some really flash plays at Middle Tennessee State. If you can get that level of consistency from him, you feel better about the wide receiver room. I think you need Dylan Edwards to play like it's 2024 again. Right. If it's 2025, that's going to really impact Cave's ability to have explosive plays offensively, because I think a lot of that's going to come down to Dylan So those two guys that really come to mind I think if you want to look at tight end like Carson Brun is a younger tight end, had a season ending injury last year at the K State game but they really like who he can be as an all around threat. If he can play like I think the coaches feel he can get to level wise like he's someone that can really unlock some stuff for KU in terms of being a run blocker but also maybe for KU fans like Mason Fairchild open over the middle. All of a sudden you're getting chunk gains from a tight end. So those are kind of the three guys that I feel like are kind of the the crucial flex points where if KU really good play high end ceiling for those players out of those guys you feel pretty good about where things are at just based on the other pieces in the offense.
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Bud Elliott
Awesome man. All right, we'll hit our first break here and then we'll come back and talk defense, schedule and kind of big picture for ku.
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Bud Elliott
All right guys, welcome back here to summer school talking to Michael Swain of fog.net all things Kansas, your source for everything you would need on KU. All right, so defense second year under the new DC. You do get Trey Lathan back correct As a centerpiece of the defense, there's five portal linebacker or at least listed at Linebackers I guess we'll start there. Like, is there anything they want to do differently this year in the second year of this system? And kind of like, how does all these linebackers shake out? I was. I was trying to make heads or tails of this.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, I think the coaches, they're still trying to figure it out, too. It's one of those where, you know, K Basie had no linebackers at the end of the year. It was like a couple early enrollee guys who were coming in. And getting Trey Lathan to return was such a huge piece. And so KU last year had Bengali Kamara, and he was up and down, super athletic, could make some flash plays. Could also miss tackling me sometimes. Like, just had some serious struggles. So what ku's done this time is instead of going into the season with really two guys who you felt could play, they went out and tried to find different bodies. So you've got a Jabril Alameen, right from Marshall, 6:2 long, athletic, can just run great. You have a specific role for him. Quincy Davis has been maybe the biggest surprise where he was maybe someone you felt like, hey, plays in the middle, you know, can give you some snaps where he was. One of the big stalkerizers, you know, that I wrote about in spring football was like, hey, this is the guy who could start. And then it comes down to, you know, Jaron Willis or Landon Watson, those two guys, right? Both SEC transfers. Can you maybe get some just even keel play from some of those guys? So KU really now is trying to bolster this linebacker room where they want to be able to Play. You know, DK McDonald, the defensive coordinator, talks a lot about being multiple. They want to be able to do like, some, you know, three, three fronts. Some four, two, some four, three. Like, they want to be able to throw all sorts of different stuff out there, and so you need different bodies to be able to do that. And so that's kind of the goal they went with in the portal, is basically building all this stuff around Trey Lathe and being kind of the key leader at the MIC position.
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Bud Elliott
So, I mean, Leroy Harris, true sophomore defensive end, led the team in sacks. Like, guy with some pretty serious potential. Right? And then also, I love this. This name at defensive line. Like, this is kind of what I want, my D line. And then it is Trayvon McAlpine, like that. That is guy in the middle who I think, like, he's got to be plug and play as a starter, I would assume.
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Michael Swaim
Yes.
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Bud Elliott
Okay.
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Michael Swaim
We got to see about a potential injury that May impact what he's able to do this year. KU definitely tried to rebuild that D tackle room where another good name. You want a guy who's. I think he's. What is he, 6, 3 3, 25 and his last name Smalls.
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Bud Elliott
I love that.
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Michael Swaim
So. Right. That's another guy that. That fans will have to know. So KU really has tried to build out this detachle room where they can play some even front and odd front. You saw, okay, you try and do that last year, but they had recruited a bunch of guys who are basically three techs and they didn't have a nose tackle outside of one guy, Keenan Caldwell. So they basically went out and got kind of two guys that could play nose and Trey and even Smalls. You get some guys who can play your three tech or maybe as a defensive end kind of in a three man front. In Jabril Kahn you get a Kevin Otis from Arkansas. So they really tried to go out and make it where hey, these D tackles now you can kind of mix and match with different players. And then a defensive end, right. You mentioned Leroy Harris. Man, they're expecting a big jump from him. Like Austin Booker had a huge kind of jump in his first year. I think they're expecting a similar type of leap from him going into this fall. And then the other defensive ends, they've got some just good baseline guys and they're expecting someone like Dak Brinkley maybe to take a step forward and be a guy who can get you some more pass rush pressure because that was maybe an area where KU really struggled last year.
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Bud Elliott
Dby. So Rawls goes to Arizona State, which I like to on my sheet looks like a loss. They. They bring in Corey Gordon from Louisville. Like I assume Gordon is coming in to start, I would think, but like how does the rest of the, of the DB room, like obviously Alexander and Todd are returning a corner. Yeah, like you feel pretty good about this group.
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Michael Swaim
I feel good about the potential.
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Bud Elliott
Okay. All right.
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Michael Swaim
I don't know how it's going to play out yet. So here, here's why I say that. You know, you mentioned Lyric Ross. Well, last year, K, you basically played with two boundary safeties the whole time. Like it was. You're playing a boundary guy at field and that's just never going to be good. So Rawls leaves, they move Taylor Davis back to playing boundary, I think and then they're going to have, you know, Corey Gordon play your field, which works. I mean you look at the guy in practice, right? He's got experience playing Slot corner playing is just a nickel. Like he can go and play in the, you know, that field side safety role. You get a Jaden Harris who started at Miami two years ago, went to Georgia, didn't play a whole lot. Well, he's going to compete with Taylor Davis now. To give him some competition, you get key John Cummings, Coleman from Iowa State. Man, I know the Iowa State staff was super high on his potential. Had a shoulder injury that impacted his season, didn't do a lot during spring. So he's someone that you look forward and say, hey, during camp, if he steps up, well, all of a sudden you got him maybe playing nickel or playing that field safety spot. So you can see all the pieces at safety and that's before you can talk about returner like Mason Ellis coming back who, you know played some boundary, played some nickel. So you've got some pieces there and kind of that safety spots where you could see how it could come together and work. But you got to see it happen first before. I'm willing to sit here and kind of pound the table and say it's going to be a huge step forward. But I do like the pieces. I like the different versatility, the way you can mix and match and you're not kind of hamstrung to a certain tandem playing because your depth isn't good enough.
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Bud Elliott
Makes sense. Schedule is a weird schedule, Michael. I mean, so Long island to start and then you get Missouri immediately and then you got to go to Wembley Stadium to play Arizona State and then bye week, Middle Tennessee State. It was almost like a early season reset there with the, with, with the bye week and then middle coming to town. I mean, Middle was horrendous last year, all due respect to our Middle Tennessee State fans out there. And then Utah and Kansas State both to. Back to back on the road, which certainly not easy. You know, Baylor comes to town, then you're at tcu, you host ucf, you got to go to Morgantown, which is kind of a pain, and then come right off that and play BYU and then finish at Oklahoma State. Like I, I feel like the Big 12 schedule makers, you know, there's no Texas Tech. Right. So like that, that is certainly helpful. But like the, the timing of some of these and the location of some of these is, is I think far from ideal for a Kansas team trying to bounce back to make a bowl.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, it's probably the worst schedule you could ask for.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah.
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Michael Swaim
We're being honest here. And it all comes back to one thing. KU really tried to get this Middle Tennessee State game to week zero, they really try to because they're going to London and they felt like two bye weeks with the London game manageable. What isn't manageable is going to London, having a bye week and then playing nine straight weeks. Right? That is tough. And I know a lot of other college teams are doing it. So it's not like, hey, who's the only team that's going to play nine straight games? Like it's happening everywhere else. What isn't happening everywhere else is having that flight over to London they have to deal with. And so they've really tried to make this schedule date wise, as manageable as possible. They're playing Missouri on a Friday night, so to give them an extra day in preparation for the London trip. You play Middle Tennessee State coming off the London trip. So it's like they're trying their best to make it work. But man, you know, and you factor in the home field stuff, right? Of, you know, I don't know what the capacity is going to be yet, but basically the whole kind of east side of the stadium is going to be under construction and they may have some stands up there, but it's going to be not the home field advantage that I think you saw this past year. So you factor all this together, man, there's a lot of factors that go against a team that kind of is going to need some breaks to go its way. I think over the course of a season to get to kind of that six win mark. And obviously, you know, you're playing at K State, you got to go to tcu, you got to go to Morgantown, Oklahoma State at the end of the year versus the beginning of the year, right? You can go through all this sort of stuff. Like it's just one of those where in the past, I think the last two years you looked at the KU schedule and said, hey, that's not too bad. This is the first year where you look at and say, ah, those last two years of it being maybe more generous are coming back to bite because you're just rotating the schedule now with the way the Big 12 works.
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Bud Elliott
I know Travis Goff is taking some big swings in terms of other sports and facilities. Leipold feels fairly safe here, like from an outsider perspective, but obviously that's why we have the insiders on, like barring disaster, you feel like he's good.
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Michael Swaim
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, nothing's happening after this. Okay. Like, I mean, unless they go like 1 in 11, then I mean, who knows? But you know there's an understanding that this is going to be a Tran, like a transition year, I think. Okay. Where you get to 27, the stadium, you've spent so much money getting done, that is going to be a huge driver of revenue in the long term. You know, future of Kansas Athletics, that's done. You maybe have returning starting quarterback. Like there's all different factors of continuity that you can play to in 27. I think this is just a year where I don't know what to expect, but I know that there is confidence in Lipold leading the program and his ability to, I think just continue to have the continuity and creating the positive environment where you're not going to see big portal exoduses from your really good players. Like, that's the thing that ku's done such a great job of. Yeah, you keep Trey Lathan. Yeah. All right. You lose lyric Rawls. Okay. But traditionally KU keeps their good players and that speaks, I think, to the job that Leipold's done and the staff and everything around ku. We're making it where it's a place where people want to stay. And for a very long time that was not the case. And I think sometimes that context is important, for sure.
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Bud Elliott
Michael. Matt, I really appreciate all the time around summer school, like I needed this one because there were so many questions I had. Obviously, like some got answered and some will just be reading fog.net to see you know, what the answer will be. Come follow me. I appreciate it.
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Michael Swaim
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