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And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Bud Elliott, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live YouTube.com cover three and everywhere. Get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat, aka the COVID 3 tailgate where they are fired up. We got a big show for you on deck. Yovi is asking for inside voices. No promises.
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Promises. No promises. This is, this is not planned. This is not fabricated. We have a loose, very loose rundown of things that we would like to get to today and we look forward to doing that. Among the things that we are going to discuss today that we are going to get you set with a Heisman Trophy breakdown. Yeah, it's going to be a little bit different. I know this is Wednesday. When we do big game breakdown, we're going to factor our Army Navy preview in with our Army Navy locks on Thursday. So full Army Navy. This will be a big Heisman breakdown coming up in just a little bit. Day train Danny, as we always do. And though we do have a couple weeks until January 2, the official opening of the transfer portal. Right? Oh, it's bubbling. Oh, it's. We already got a lot of different whispers. We got A little bit of a different view of what it might look like. We're going to talk teams to keep an eye on. We're going to talk some big picture thoughts, quarterback dominoes and so much more. But because it is a Wednesday, let's go ahead and get it started with.
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Little big game breakdown.
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Foreign.
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Breakdown, a quick shout out to Amazon Prime. Last minute holiday gifts. No problem. Prime's fast free shipping keeps you covered. Holiday wins delivered. It's on Prime. And of course, what was delivered on Monday, it was the news of our Heisman Trophy finalists. They are Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza. They are Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia. We also see Ohio State quarterback Julian say in and Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love, all announced as the Heisman Trophy finalists for the 2025 season. Now, the Heisman, Trophy, of course, will be awarded on Saturday night to, you know, be able to enshrine them along with the rest of the Heisman Trophy winners. When you look at this Heisman class, Danny, let's start with sort of the cut line because there's only three names on the ballot. Four ended up making it as finalists. How do you, how do you think that that played out? And was there maybe a fifth name in there that that might have probably when we see the final voting report that you think could end up maybe being right there, close to the cut line for finalists, but maybe not quite there.
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There were a lot of guys. I mean, I thought it really cleared up towards the end of the season. I thought Haynes King would have been somebody that, you know, had he knocked off Georgia, been in that conversation, even with the loss to Pitt, you know, still possibly could have gotten back into it. Clearly coming down with two games to go. He had that opportunity, but then coming up short against Pitt really knocked him out of it. He'd be somebody that maybe would have been on the outside looking in. Jeremiah Smith, another one, obviously being the Ohio State superstar that he is. But we know how hard it is to get two players from the same team there to New York. He might pop up for some people, you know, especially with the way the Big Ten title game unfolded with Julian saying, you know, kind of looking vulnerable. I think there's a chance. So those are probably Jeremiah Smith's, probably the one that I'll be interested to see if he comes up fifth like just after this group.
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Tom, Bud, what about y'?
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All?
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I mean, honestly, I really agree with what Danny just said there. I think this is a. We have to start thinking because the flattening of the sport, right? Like teams Like Indiana and Vanderbilt have finalists and not just like standouts on a bad team, like finalists, for the reason that those teams have had the best seasons that they've ever had in program history. So I think it's harder now to post these insane numbers. Teams are playing a lot slower. Your possessions, like, people are like, this is the worst Heisman you're ever. Right. I don't agree with that.
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Right.
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Like, if Sands on a different team, who knows, he. He might finish second. You know, it was pretty clear a lot of voters were going to leave him off their ballot had he won or at least like, move him from not on the ballot to third if you look a lot of the media polls. But, like, I think he's a damn good player. He was PFF's number one rated quarterback all year. Like, guy's really good. I don't think this is a bad Heisman year. I. I think that the sport has flattened. More teams have a chance to win now than ever before. It's harder to stand out and be like, insane because you're not surrounded by quite as many superstars typically.
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Can we sit there? Is it. Is it a bad Heisman year? It, you know, like a. Okay.
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I don't think so.
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I would say.
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I think similar to what I wish I would have seen Ohio State and Indiana, both of them tested more throughout the latter half of the season. You know, like, I think that kind of goes to the same way we looked at those teams coming in like we like, and that was a very. It's a legit. Like, I know Ohio State or India is not a knock against them. Like, you guys are really good. I feel like I wish I would have seen them tested a little bit more so that you would have had more adversity and more opportunities. And I do think that's probably why Mendoza was the leader, because he had the drive against Penn State. Like, that's. I mean, if saying had a game like that, he probably could have won this thing. He just lacked a moment. And that's what everybody was waiting for, for one of these guys to step up. And when Mendoza, I mean, it wasn't a great game statistically. He made some big plays and some great throws, and I do think that was the difference set it for the last month of the season. I thought it was going to come from the Big Ten championship game. But as you're watching that game unfold, you're like, holy cow. What if they don't do anything? And that's when Diego Pavia enters the chat. You know, in. In a very serious way.
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I mean, Fernando Mendoza practically died on the first play of the game.
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That was. That, to me, was the Heisman moment of the season.
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That's what I'm saying. And then he came back. He came back from that and then had that game.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and then there was also. There was. I talked about it during the season. There was the one hit he took in the Iowa game while delivering a huge play to help them win that game.
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It's like, oh, at the very end.
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Yeah.
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Where he got absolutely lit up. So, I mean, I, I think statistically it's misleading because you see it. You think back to recent years and you see, like, in the air raid offenses, all the guys are throwing like 40, 50 touchdowns a year. And now you compare it to what the stats look like now where between, you know, passing and rushing, Fernando had 39 touchdowns. And that's, that's over, you know, three touchdowns a game. But it doesn't look as good compared to other numbers. But the sport has changed. Where's the bud mention, you know, fewer possessions, clocks never stop running. So you're not going to see those kind of numbers anymore. But I just think that overall, you look at these and you say it's a weak class. But I think one of the things that contributes to that is a. The playoff sucks up a ton of the oxygen during the season. Really talking about players, you're talking about teams and their playoff odds. So you just kind of push the Heisman to the side. And the only time the Heisman does come up, it's typically in like, a gambling sense in which you're talking about the odds for the guys, and those are changing every single week. And everybody's fast. Like, you'll see on Twitter during a Saturday, this guy's down to plus 500. This guy's now up to plus 2500. It's like that's the way it's being framed. At least in the world I am. And that world is college football media. So those are the people that are typically voting on it. So it's. I, I think that it becomes more of a. I don't think it's a award or something that's looked at as much as it's. It's like another game. And there's a lot of recency bias. And I think that that has impacted it far more than it even had in recent years. Whereas, like, we saw and. But like, the straw polls, like, Pavia was always in them, but then suddenly Pavia had A great game against Tennessee. And now there's like a huge swell of. Pavia might win this damn thing. And it's like, well, because of one game he had, the same game he's been having all year. Why is he suddenly, you know. Because they didn't have a great game. Mendoza didn't have a huge game that week, but Pavia did. So all of a sudden, now he's the favorite. And it was just. I think that is something that kind of.
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Makes it pointless to track because it changes every day. Am I making any sense?
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No, I, I think it's really interesting because we didn't, to my mind, we did not have the focus on this week to week, hour by hour, changing in the Heisman Trophy odds market in 2021. Because let me read you what the finalists looked like in 2021. You tell me if this is a stellar Heisman class. Heisman winner, Bryce Young, second place, Aiden Hutchinson, third place, Kenny Pickett.
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Is that a, is, is that a good Heisman class?
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It's on my Mount Rushmore of Eisman classes.
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You know, Like, I just, I don't know if there's a reason for that. I was just trying to reach like, okay, so what is a weak Heisman classic? You've got this. Oh, Bo Nicks. Oh, you've got Michael Penix. Like, you've got. Okay, that was pretty good. You go back, you look at the Jane Daniels, you look at the Caleb Williams years, you, you see it, you see a C.J. stroud popping up there. But yet when you start to get too cute with like Aiden Hutchinson and the Will Anderson campaigns, you know, that, that might have been a year. And again, I don't remember doing the type of odds related analysis, but it's, it is definitely. I like where you're at, Tom. It has definitely influenced the way we talk about it in a way that I, I don't know. I don't know if it's changed the voting at all because a lot of people don't even think about it till they get their ballot right. But it's definitely changed the conversation in a big way.
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Kyle, go ahead.
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I, I was. It's kind of like the Heisman is no different really than conference championship games. Are all these other things where, like I mentioned, like the way that we discussed the playoff and how much attention that gets. It just kind of makes everything feel.
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A little less important.
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Kyle in the chat asked. He said so sayings knock was he was too good versus Penn State and didn't have to come from behind, I don't think. Yes, right, exactly. Like I got. Hey, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I told you.
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Great, Great sweatshirt. You should check it out. YouTube.com 3swag.in perfect Danny fashion, he loaded up on Indiana and Ohio State.
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Swag.
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So I don't want to play a B.
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Who won? He was going to be coming out with some sweet stuff.
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Exactly. But to his question, I do think it hurt Julian saying how good his team was. It was very similar to the Mac Jones conversation when devonte Smith, his own teammate, came up and won it. I heard several people start to ask, is Julian saying even the best player on his own team? And everybody's like, oh my gosh, no. He's not even a top five player on his team. So I do think Ohio State's dominance hurt Julian saying, is it fair? No. But I do think if they had a crappy game similar to Indiana and he had to step up and showcase like his abilities and have a two minute drive, like ironically, I think that would have helped him. Just the same way with Indiana, Like, I think I felt better about Indiana because they got tested. Like, we saw them respond. It's sort of similar in that circumstance. And it is like, that was the one thing I was trying to do. And this as a voter, you're trying like, and I did this with Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry was, if you put Christian McCaffrey on Alabama, would he have had the same success? And if you put Derrick Henry on Stanford, what if he had the same success? And I think that conversation started to crop up. Even Cardell, when I was working with Cardell, Cardell was like, diego Pavia should win the Heisman. He's like. And he had that philosophy. He's like, if you put Diego on Ohio State, they're still undefeated. He said, if you put Julian saying on Vanderbilt or Fernando Mendoza on Vanderbilt, are they really 10 and 2? And he said, no. And you could argue that, you know, Tom said, maybe, yes. You know, it might look a little different. So. But that was. That is a line of thinking that I think some Heisman voters look at.
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It is, it's a lot like the coach of the Year awards. It's never the coach who is supposed to be good, who actually has a great season, who wins. It's always the coach of the team that surprised people.
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Let me, I want to say.
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Whatever, journalistic integrity, I'm gonna get this fact wrong, but I want to say that Mike Krzyzewski did not win ACC coach of the year after 2001.
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Huh?
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Yeah. He's definitely not the best coach in the conference. Right. Not even the country. Like in the conference. Okay. Yeah, sure.
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There is something too to like. That's why it's really hard to go back to back with MVPs in the NFL and the NBA. Like, they didn't want to give three. That's too many. Even though that might be the best player. Might be. This is a bad year to make the case. But Patrick Mahomes might be the best player in the NFL every year. But you let other people win it, you know. So I think it's just kind of similar. It's human nature to look for different reasons why not to give somebody an award.
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And I do think that to speak to whether it was a good year or not, it was a wow. I wish I. Our friend Nicole Auerbach is like big on the. Expand it to five places. This was a year where like, three's hard. It was. You weren't reaching to try to get three names. There were like. There was a. There were great options. You didn't have to get cute. You didn't have to reach. There were all great options to be in the argument for again, Heisman Trophy awarded to the most outstanding player in college football, not the mvp.
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Right.
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Player. Best team, most outstanding player in college football.
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One thing that I did consider, and I wonder if anybody else did too, was Trinidad Chambliss. He didn't have the stats because he missed a couple games early. And even at the back end, like with the season that he did play, he didn't blow you away. But I think you make an argument of what he did for Ole Miss was pretty spectacular and that he should have been in the conversation as a top five at the least. But I don't think he made a lot of people's ballot because statistically he wasn't there. Like, I think a lot of voters, 900 voters, are just going to the top of the statistics, too.
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I don't even think it's a statistics thing. I think that Trinidad Chambliss for individual awards. It's just like the celebration of the greatest season in Ole Miss football history is that all of it got overshadowed by Lane Kiffin and the entire saga. Like, you want to talk about sucking up oxygen? I mean, that was. That it was going to be very difficult for our memories to put together an 11 and 1 ole miss season, you know, just because of the way it all ended.
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Yeah. Was he even the best player on his own offense Right, right.
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Oh, Kiwan Lacey would be there. Yeah.
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I mean on Chambliss, like he didn't get to play like a full game at all against Georgia State, Kentucky, and you got to figure he throws for probably what, 600 combined on those and probably picks up like four touchdowns. Right. So then you're looking at a guy that would have like, you know, 3, 600 yards and maybe a 22, 322 to 4 touchdown recession ratio that's a little more palatable. Like if you throw for barely 3,000 and you're 18 to 3, unless you're rushing for a thousand, like that's just not really going to move the needle. They also like the way that Ole Miss's schedule set up. You know, they beat Oklahoma before Halloween and then they played South Carolina, Citadel, Florida, Mississippi State, like, you know, four non bowl teams down the stretch. It just wasn't going to be like optimal for providing highs and moments.
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We Rhino put in there Jacob Rodriguez, such East coast biases.
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Is a linebacker. It's hard to win as a defensive player. I thought it was a great story. Maybe he's a guy that would have been top five. You know, I think he was, he's an incredible player. I just don't think he was ever a very serious candidate.
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Rhino, I live about 200 miles east of Jacob Rodriguez, so I don't know if I would be considered an east coast bias.
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Hey, do you know what else is easy to do is be a stat stuffer. As a linebacker you have a billion tackles. You know, like, like what do you. It's okay, fine. Yeah.
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I mean Dylan Fineman should have won the Heisman with Purdue a few years ago.
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Yeah, I mean you could, you can, you can rack them up that way too. Just like you could in a wide open veer and shoot offense. I saw a comment earlier.
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Award like.
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He'Ll win that John mentioned with the changes, will Joe Burrow be the last quote, great Heisman winner that we remember? And the changes of course being, I think, Bud, what you mentioned at the beginning with the sport, the clock rules and just sort of the way that possessions have been limited, stats are not going to be quite the same. Do you agree with that?
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I, I do agree. Like the problem with saying he's gonna be the last great Heisman winner is, is two things. One, like could somebody rise up and just have some absolutely insane season? I think it's possible. Right. Not likely, but it's possible. You have to account for that. Two, like if we say it's the last they change the rules somehow, then obviously that's a pretty dumb statement. So like, if the rules stay as they are now, then I think it's likely that he's the last guy to do a season like that.
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I thought Jaden Daniels was a great Heisman winner during his Heisman winning season. Yeah, that guy had 40 total touchdowns and four interceptions.
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Yeah, but if you'd have thrown any quarterback on that team, they'd have been fine because he had Malik neighbors, he had Brian Thomas, he had, you know, everybody. Just like Joe Burrow, he had Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Any quarterback would have played well that year.
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Hold on, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I can't get a read on this. And also Daniels beat out Michael Penix and Bo Nix and Marvin Harrison Jr. It was a pretty good. Those are pretty good. I think history will look back on the 2023 Heisman race as being a quote unquote good Heisman race. And I do think we are going to have other ones in the future. Last year, of course, we had the Unicorn, you know, Travis Hunter and Ashton Genti. And speaking of, you know, player of the year awards, guess what? Ashton? Ashton Genti won the Maxwell Award given to the player of the year. Did not win the Heisman Trophy. Sometimes these things don't always necessarily line up. But we will find out the winner of the Heisman Trophy on Saturday night when it's announced. We'll come back with our analysis and our recap on Mondays upon further review. And that wraps up our big game breakdown brought to you by Amazon Prime. Remember, prime isn't just fast, it's your holiday lifesaver. Forgot a gift for a friend or family member? Do you need something for tonight's party? Prime gets it there quickly, turning last minute panic to a smooth win. This season, you can count on prime to deliver right when you need it most. Last minute gifts delivered. It's on Prime. Coming up on the other side. Speaking of the market, let's check in with Day Train Danny. Plus a look ahead to the transfer portal and more nukes.
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Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. One of our favorite pieces of the season is a weekly check in with the market with our advisors. Let's go to day trading. Danny.
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All right, so I was thinking, what's the market going to be today? I thought it would be a good time because we've talked a lot about the coaching carousel, which has been wild. It's been spinning out of control. You know the next carousel that's about to spin? It's the quarterback carousel, which with the portal opening January 2nd. We've already got Sam Levitt announcing his intentions to leave Arizona State. We're going to start seeing some more of these announcements coming. It is interesting that they're all letting it be known. Even though the portal doesn't open until later, we're still going to have know exactly who's going where, which is kind of interesting. And I figured since we do the quarterback carousel, we want to make sure that two things. One, young quarterbacks. Make sure you send a thank you note to your boosters. Send out, oh, Troy Aikman.
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Thank you.
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Thank your boosters. Especially if he's super high profile. He's on national tv. I don't know, maybe a text like, hey, bro, thanks for the cash. That was the weirdest story ever. And we're all pretty certain he's talking about Dante Moore, right?
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B
Yes, Sorry. I want to say we are all pretty certain. I do not have.
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E
Right, no, exactly. We are pretty certain. We are not reporting that. All signs point to.
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B
Yes, yes.
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And if you're not familiar with the story, Tory Aikman was on a podcast with Richard Deitch and he. He said that he was never going to give any money again because he gave money to UCLA to get a certain player. The player only stayed for one year and then never even thanked him for the money.
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D
If only you could solve for that somehow, you know, I don't know, but, like, I bet you can find a solution.
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How much do you think was. How much do you think the check was for? Like, Because I. I do not know what. What hurts Troy Aikman's feelings? Like, I don't think it's.
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I think a lot hurts, Joy.
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I think it's probably a significant amount. Right.
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B
I. I don't know what it was. I think that the threshold to hurt Troy Aikman's feelings about it is a lot lower than you might imagine.
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C
I think that's a man who can hold a grudge. He's got large hands for holding grudges.
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E
Yes, he can.
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B
Like, he, like his neighbor ended up saying that he would pay for offense or something or chip in on it. But, like, has it yet and Troy's still mad. I could see that.
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So with that being the backdrop, we want to make sure. So one of the things I would look for if I was going in the bar in the market for a quarterback, I would want to have a guy that I could hopefully get for multiple years. I'm not a huge fan of the get one. You get one year to work with them. It's just, it's a crapshoot. If it doesn't work out, you're kind of screwed. Then you have to start from scratch. So ideally I would like to start with somebody who is younger in their career, which is why I almost feel bad for these programs because I don't know if they're going to be able to keep these quarterbacks. But I am buying. I have three buys and three sells today. So with my purchases, we've got a trio of freshman quarterbacks. We've got Mason Hechel at Pitt, we've got Drew Mestemaker at North Texas and we have JKS at Cal. Jaren Kiawe Sagapolatelli nailed it. Is he?
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Yep, that's done.
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C
Oh, okay.
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E
Well then there goes that one. So he's bought up.
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Good for Tosh. Flew to Hawaii. Like first act as a cow coach. They got their act together. They got, they got that done.
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E
Brilliant move by Cal. I would say that is.
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B
Coach of the year. Tosh Lupo.
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By Cal in their win total, going over next year, I'll do that early. And there is a strong possibility that Drew mester maker goes with Eric Morris to Oklahoma State. Another situation that I would look at and say I am going to buy Oklahoma State then if they have a quarterback that is that good and I know it's a jump up in competition. But he has been a spectacular find for him and Mason Heitchel. I do wonder. I have a, like, I just go back to the Jordan Addison thing and I feel so bad for Narduzzi because it's just really hard to keep players. I don't know how the funds, how they would work out if they can keep them if they do strong buy for Pitt. But if I was looking in the market, I would, I would target, you know, these style of quarterbacks, freshman years, some of them a little bit different, varying levels, success. Someone played the whole season, some of them didn't. But I would say those would be my three top buys if they were available in the case of JKs. But all of them, those would be the ones I would kick the tires on.
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Love Tyncho, obviously, I mean.
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Responded to just getting embarrassed by Notre Dame by going down to Atlanta and tearing up Georgia Tech. Now granted, who amongst us did not get a chance at Georgia Tech's defense, But at the same time, like it is, it was something that in the process of a freshman season when you weren't even the starter to begin with, you take over the job, you play really well, you get humbled and then you still find a way to finish pretty strong. Got got bottled up by Miami but I also came out of that one with a little bit of a credit for the Canes and the way they took care of business in that week 14 win.
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D
Curious to see like if, if he's going to leave pit if Kate Bell leaves pit. Like are those guys a package deal?
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B
Maybe.
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E
I thought there was a chance Florida was going to happen, you know and then they go get Buster Faulkner.
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D
I know they wanted Faulkner as their first choice.
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E
Right. I did not know anything about who they wanted. I just thought if I was Florida, his dad, Kerwin Bell, like I thought that would have made sense. That was total just speculation on my part. But I think Buster Faulkner is a great hire too.
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D
I would leave pit for sure if I was Heinchul if they don't get me as a better offensive lineman because like the couple games they played against teams that had like real D linemen, they were just not competitive in any way like that. That's to me as a quarterback. Like you guys are hampering my development. I need to see a real plan. You're going to surround me as people who can block at least a little bit. These guys suck. Please bring like I want to see a planner. I'm going to bounce.
- [29:40]
E
Yeah. And I I do think like we were talking about coaches. They want to know what staff they're going to have for staff allotment. It's a great point, bud. I want to scout the team and make sure I'm going to a place that's going to invest in an offensive line to have some weapons. The chat put a pretty good buy in there. Kenny Minchi. The thing with Kenny Minchie why I would not have him on my list is I and you could strike gold and have the next Julian saying, you know and you know saying was at Alabama then he sat out a year and maybe you have a guy waiting in the wings who's super talented. I just prefer to see somebody who's done it right like that. So Kenny Minchee might be somebody with the success that C.J. carr had that might be looking. Who knows, maybe he stays and sees what happens at Notre Dame. But that that's the reason why I did not have them on here. Some of my cells you might be surprised by, I will say and with my buys, well, more importantly with my cells there probably is a chance that one of these ends up at Florida State because I probably would not have bought DJU or Thomas Castellanos. They were not exactly my favorites in there. In fact, I had a pretty scathing tweet about Tommy Castellanos when he left Boston College. Didn't love the way he left there.
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B
And a radio segment too. They got aggregated by Sirius XM Social.
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E
Yeah, yeah. So that was not, that was not great. So that means Florida State probably will side buy one of these that I'm selling. Maybe I could sell them to him and get a commission off this one. So I'm selling. First off, the quarterback that just announced he's in there, Sam Levitt, he might be somebody who commands. He might, you know, when they come out with it, I'll be curious to see what the transfer portal rankings are. Guess is he's probably one of the tops. I mean right now he'll probably be one of the tops. I thought his play is a little bit erratic and then I don't love the exit. That to me does show you some maturity, leadership. Like sometimes you have to do the right thing even though you're going to, to not go to the banquet. You know, just kind of the way it's been handled. I'm a little bit curious about the brother.
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D
Yes. The big piece on this.
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C
Yeah.
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D
The brother is his agent and is not like an established like long time guy. So I am curious like who he's taking advice from on this and if it's the best advice.
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C
I'm pretty sure he watched Ballers so he knows what he's doing.
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D
Yeah, that, that, that's been a thing.
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B
So I don't want to cut off your other cells, but let's stay here in the Sam Levitt because there is a head coach with a big nil war chest who's looking for a quarterback who also did not handle his exit well.
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I just think that there's a man.
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D
Just like, like is Levitt going to be able for spring? I don't think so.
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E
So what about Chambliss? You don't think Chambliss goes with him if he gets the extra year or do you think he's not going to get the extra year?
- [32:30]
D
Oh, I thought you meant Mario with Beck not handling his exit well.
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E
Oh, is that who I thought you were talking about a coach?
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D
Okay.
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B
I was talking about Lane Kiffin.
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E
That's what I thought because we think.
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D
Sellers to Miami, right.
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E
I don't know that.
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A
You know what?
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D
I don't.
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E
I think it's cooled off, man. I, I don't know. I think he. His play. That was one of my cells by the way. That Was the next cell was the north Sellers.
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C
When he's selling Sellers like to me, just bit wise. I feel like Lenora Sellers is not a Mario Cristobal kind of quarterback.
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D
You know what I mean?
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C
I feel like that would drive Mario insane. Some of the stuff Lenores does.
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E
Although Cam Ward did a lot of similar, like, you know, turnover prone, crazy outside the pocket.
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C
But Ward was more of a passer, you know what I mean? Like you're willing to deal with that because he's able to do special things in the air for you that he has to take risks. Right. I just don't think Lenoris's dual threat niche is what Mario likes. But anyway, Sam Levitt should be scared because he has made a very powerful enemy and won. Pete Prisco. Oh, don't, don't, don't you just worry about your NFL draft stock once you enter the draft and Pete Prisco gets after you because he's gonna drag you to the muck.
- [33:45]
B
You thought Troy Hake. Troy Aikman was vindictive.
- [33:48]
C
Oh, man. Do not piss off Pete.
- [33:51]
E
Pete wants an apology letter.
- [33:53]
B
Yeah, that Sun Devil's helmet in the back of Pete's in the back of each shot when he's at home is not just for decoration. He cares about Arizona State football and.
- [34:03]
C
He'Ll hit you with it.
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B
Yes.
- [34:05]
E
All this though, I don't, I don't necessarily fault Sam Levitt for shopping around. I don't like the way it's being handled and the exit because I do think Arizona State probably does have some issues with money where they cannot afford another offer for Sam Levitt. We could argue about is he better suited to stay at Arizona State in the system, have a really good year if his draft stock or does he just try to make as much as he can now because his draft stock plummeted and who knows where he gets drafted. Like there is an argument to be made there as well. So I don't fault Sam Levitt for leaving. I just, I'm not a huge believer in the skill set or the way it was handled.
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D
Also, like, if he goes to a higher quality team, it could in theory also help his brother. If his brother can sign some of those guys.
- [34:49]
E
Yes.
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D
Which, look, sometimes family considerations are a part of this, guys. So we've heard.
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E
Lenore Sellers, another one I just mentioned that I am selling. We'll see. I mean, I again, some of this comes back to market value, but if they're commanding three or four million dollars and that's the price for Lenara Sellers, I'M sorry, I'm passing. You know, if it's.
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D
You wouldn't pay three or four for Lenore.
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E
No, I wouldn't. I think it's too risky. I think I've seen too many bad habits, too careless with the football. And that's kind of. So DJ Lagway is my next one. I just. We talk so much about these guys as potential and we talk about them because they have the measurables and they have a cannon. We haven't seen them be able to execute offenses at a high level or with much consistency, which is why I think there's an extreme risk in both of them.
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D
I just think the price on quarterbacks is going sky high.
- [35:43]
E
I do. I do too. I think the price is going to be sky high. But I do think you should probably spend less on a pretty good quarterback. It depends on what your funds are. Like, how much of the cap is it going to go with. But if it was me, I think you could find a pretty good quarterback for 2 million. Spend an extra 2 million on some offensive linemen like we were talking about before, and you can get a really good college quarterback. Maybe you don't have a top five pick, but I think you could work around somebody. It's similar to the model. Remember we did a discussion about, you know, we even did this on the podcast. Like, what would your salary cap allocation look like? I would not be strapped so much to a quarterback unless it was virtually certain and there is no certainty. So I think it's almost like I would have the model of not going out of drafting and quarterback because the draft of QB with the rookie salary is. Is a successful model that's worked for some teams. But I would try to find a quarterback who I think is really good, who I value, that can be a really good quarterback and then try to put a lot of good pieces around him.
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D
I think the issue you run into here is that 2 million is not enough to get a quarterback away from another Power 5 school. Like I think every Power 5 school, if they want to keep the kid, is going to find a way to pay the quarterback 2 million. So you're either going down to G5. Like, again, keep the kid. You know what I'm saying? Like they can, they can all find a way. I think not all. Probably 90 of your Power 5 schools can find a way to keep the kid for 2 million. Right. Like, I don't know what Illinois paid to keep Altmeyer away from Tennessee, but it's probably close to that. Right?
- [37:16]
E
Right.
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D
And they they found it. Iowa State kept their kid. TCU kept their kid like when Tennessee was desperate when, when their guy left, you know, super late in the process. I now what I'm seeing and like.
- [37:29]
E
It'Ll be interesting to see. Like we saw Mensa get the 4 million a year for two years from Duke. Like I think if the team wants Mason Heintschel from Pitt, that's probably the numbers you're looking at to get him. It's probably similar. Do you think it's higher than that, bud?
- [37:43]
D
I think your top guys are going to get over four.
- [37:45]
E
Yeah. That's what Carson Beck got last year. Right?
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C
Right.
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D
Now here's the thing. It's not always cash, right. Like some of these kids get like land deals that vest after the end of their thing so they don't. They can't go elsewhere. Like, like there's some interesting.
- [37:58]
E
Why Cross Ranch, right.
- [38:00]
D
Like they're interesting stuff going on right now which is I think pretty, pretty good accounting wise and pretty creative, you know. So I mean I think three is enough to get a kid away from a lot of schools.
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E
Yeah.
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D
I don't think two does it for you.
- [38:15]
E
That's where I would try to find a guy at the group of five who's you know, a mess to maker but it mess makers almost been too good because he might command that type of money.
- [38:23]
D
Yeah, Messmaker is going to get top dollar, I think. Yeah, I mean I don't know that but I think that you got a.
- [38:28]
B
Bunch of Cooper Norris's out there coming up with wise land deals of how we're going to take 50 different eight parcel units and frack on them and make billions.
- [38:37]
E
Yeah, there we go. I like the watch.
- [38:40]
B
Landman on Paramount plus a mountain of entertainment.
- [38:43]
D
Let me, let me float something to you because I had this on Twitter a couple weeks ago, but there was a lot Twitter stuff going on. I think I would pay like a premium to get Castellanos to be my backup. Like he could be a great emergency quarterback for you. I think if Missouri had him this year they wouldn't have to play the freshman. Right. Like he can't seem to stay healthy for an entire season but when he's healthy he's pretty explosive. He just gets dinged up and worn down pretty quickly. Like he could come in and give you a spark if your starter went down like for a couple games. Like I do wonder if we don't start to see some of these schools signing like a veteran insurance policy more often. If you like the rest of Your roster and you have maybe like your expensive stud. You have your expensive, you know, freshman quarterback who's not ready to play. Like, do you pony up like 700 for a backup that you think, all right, doesn't. Doesn't cost us the game?
- [39:31]
E
You know who did that? Ole Miss.
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D
Yeah.
- [39:35]
E
Ole Miss went and signed Trinidad Chambliss as a veteran backup who had won that. They did a great job of that, too. And I do wonder how much they were concerned about a freshman who hadn't played very much in Austin Simmons. And I think it was a combination of both. But I think that's. I do think to your point, but I think they will pay. I don't know what they're paying Trinidad Chambliss, and they probably got a steal on them. I don't know if Tommy Castellanos will take backup money. That's the only problem.
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D
I'm not sure who want, like, how many teams want him to be their starter.
- [40:05]
E
Right.
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B
Lincoln probably, you could say, did that, too. Bringing in Jaden Maeva.
- [40:10]
E
Yeah.
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C
No, I did it a couple years ago with John Paddock and Luke's first year as a starter. Luke got hurt. Paddock comes in, throws like 500 yards a game. And then this year, he didn't have to play because Luke was healthy the all season. But they had Ethan Hampton, the former Northern Illinois quarterback, as the backup.
- [40:27]
E
Would you guys. This will go a little. We need some advisors here to the investment firm.
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Would you buy or sell Nico if he hits the. The portal? So.
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I know. That's why I thought Bud. I could get Bud to nibble on that one. I would sell because I've seen too much distraction. But the talent, Bud, is too much. You think it is too attractive.
- [40:51]
D
I mean, if we're buying something, like, you got to consider price. Like, his price has got to be pretty rock bottom right now.
- [40:56]
E
So, like, do you think he'd be 2 million?
- [40:58]
D
Oh, yeah. I just don't think you get 4.
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C
Would he. If he does leave UCLA, will he send Troy Aikman a card?
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B
I just.
- [41:10]
E
Yeah, I think he's a quarterback. If you put him in a good situation, if you put a lot of. Like, that's the one. Like, that would be one. Now, contrary to my other cells, like, this would have massive red flags. And maybe this is one where you're looking around, you're like, all right, if I can get him for 2 million, if I put a really good offensive lineman and a couple of receivers out with them, I think he might be able to do it and I do think you dangle out the carrot of you need to play really well if you want to get to the NFL like they should. You should have a highly motivated quarterback. I don't know why he wouldn't be already but I think that could be an attractive piece because of the talent.
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C
Can't wait till he's starting for the Knowles next year.
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D
The other piece of this is the 2022 recruiting class. Right. Those are the guys who are going to get that fifth year if they get their injunction on the case to be heard in Tennessee on December 15th. Right. It's like that. We have to watch this because there are some quarterbacks here who like a pretty. I think Hoover's one of them at TCU by the way. Oh like some guys who would commit or command some pretty serious money. Just give me a second.
- [42:14]
B
Josh Hoover to South Carolina with Kendall Briles.
- [42:17]
D
Oh that.
- [42:18]
E
That'd be nice.
- [42:20]
D
If you're, if you're Sellers. Do you have to get out now because they hired Browse because that's not really like an NFLE system. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
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C
I don't think Sellers is made for that system either.
- [42:30]
E
Does Matier have two years? He has another year anyway.
- [42:33]
B
Right.
- [42:34]
E
He was two years at.
- [42:35]
C
Yeah, he was a freshman last year. Right.
- [42:38]
D
All right. So I don't know which these guys red shirted but Drew Allers club, Nick Wegman, Simpson Brown Walker Howard, Stockton Evers.
- [42:48]
E
I heard a lot of sell, sell, sell off the far up the start of that one.
- [42:52]
D
Right. Like looking here more down the line.
- [42:59]
Both reala. Right. He probably already registered at Penn State once. So like he would have already had the extra year because again you get five for five. You just get like five years to play five seasons if this thing passes. There's a couple. I scrolled this on Saturday with Ivan's.
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Fafita. That's a big one for Arizona. Like, like that was a nine win Zona team.
- [43:23]
E
Yeah.
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D
Pretty sure's on there.
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C
Pretty sure Almayer would get a 50 or two.
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Wasn't he 2021 maybe.
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Yeah, you know, you're right.
- [43:37]
D
He was 2021 because I was thinking that was the first QB that that Norvell had committed.
- [43:42]
C
Yeah. Because he's. He was there with dart. Yep. Okay. Yep, yep.
- [43:44]
D
Yeah. 2021. Ashton Daniels who I think basically red shirted this year anyway. So like Rocco Becket.
- [43:55]
E
That's the one. I, I thought he's listed as a.
- [43:58]
D
Junior than you know.
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E
I think he's listed as a junior.
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C
I think Rocco's got a year left.
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D
So. Did he redshirt prior?
- [44:05]
E
I don't think so. I think he was. I think he must. Yeah, I think he did. Red shirt. But I think he's listed as a junior on this. On the site.
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D
Caden Vel, Camp Faul. Looking here down Byron Brown.
- [44:21]
E
Yeah.
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B
I know that he's a. He's an injunction guy that then of course becomes part of the Auburn outlook. That's right. That's another war chest that could end up getting in a bidding war somewhere.
- [44:32]
C
There's gonna be like a 1400 page thread on an Auburn message board before December 15th about this.
- [44:38]
B
There's also.
- [44:39]
E
I mean as much and I don't know. This is not an. I love Byron Brown. I think he's awesome. But I do think one of these ones where we think the quarterback is going because the coach had success with him and he really liked him a lot. There's going to be some coach who's going to know and be like, yeah, it's too high a price. I can get somebody better.
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D
Here's one for you. Soursby.
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E
He has the extra year, doesn't he?
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D
The key Red shirted.
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C
Yeah.
- [45:03]
E
Yeah. He was on the lit. I was thinking of selling because of.
- [45:07]
B
The finish so Sourceby could go to the NFL.
- [45:11]
E
He's not going to the NFL. I don't think he's got like I.
- [45:14]
D
Was listening to some draft show. They said like a third or fourth round grade.
- [45:18]
E
I think he'd be great. And the money he's going to be able to command in the open market. I think he should come back to college and see if he can get up to a second round, you know.
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D
Hammer Lenoris.
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If the money was similar.
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C
Sellers.
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Maybe.
- [45:40]
E
It'S a tough one. I'd lean maybe towards Soursby.
- [45:43]
B
Sellers.
- [45:44]
D
I. I think Sellers higher ceiling sellers.
- [45:49]
B
Made me go, wow. A little bit.
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My Mike Breen bang level was a little bit louder.
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D
Jim Phillips said in Vegas, per Marcelo that they going to look at the tiebreaker and. Okay.
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B
Really? Wow.
- [46:08]
D
Yeah.
- [46:08]
B
Why? What happened?
- [46:09]
D
Who could have seen that coming? But my man Tom Fenelli who pointed out Uva 95 to 1 to win the league because they had such an easy schedule and I had Duke 30 to 1.
- [46:18]
B
Yeah.
- [46:19]
D
From July. I was like, yeah.
- [46:20]
E
By the way.
- [46:21]
B
Why? What happened?
- [46:22]
D
The schedule differences here are so wide that like if the favorites are just slightly worse than we think this could be, you could get weird as part of that.
- [46:30]
E
As Jim Phillips I haven't seen. Has he clapped back at all at.
- [46:32]
D
Bavaqua, he said he's going to stand on his statement that he made earlier.
- [46:36]
B
Perfect.
- [46:37]
D
Which is all he needs to do.
- [46:38]
E
Well, I mean he's got Ring, he's got. He's got Brett Normark as his tag team partner. Let me get some.
- [46:45]
D
Also like I I do think Notre Dame would have had a legitimate argument here if the if they had evidence that the ACC was independently campaigning against Notre Dame without the context of comparative stuff for Miami. Right. Everything that I saw was Miami compared to Notre Dame. Like arguing on Miami's behalf with the head to head showing the similar strength of schedule type stuff. They do not have evidence, at least not that I've seen of like the ACCA saying like actively saying hey Notre Dame should not be in without the comparison piece of Miami should be in because they had to head.
- [47:19]
E
I looked through all their social stuff and not super hard but I went through it.
- [47:24]
D
They have something else then.
- [47:25]
C
Cool.
- [47:25]
E
They have not. It was nothing. I mean I do not think there was anything that said Notre Dame is not worthy or they don't look as good or I anything singular to your point. It was always head to head matters. One of these is not like the rest. And it was always head to head. Miami beat Notre Dame. It was never Notre Dame versus anybody else. It was just promoting Notre Dame by the but then putting money. By the way there's been such a big deal made out of oh the ACC network re aired the Miami Notre Dame game. How many eyeballs do you think actually saw that?
- [47:57]
B
Well they were also the hour our.
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D
Show on CBS Sports Network.
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B
I mean.
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I think that it was also like the through the night was a lot of that.
- [48:07]
E
Yes, it was like a marathon. It was just on all the time. But how many people watched it?
- [48:12]
C
4.
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ACC Network is never off my television. You know, I gotta have me my accent.
- [48:20]
B
Hey listen, all you needed was to just have it on in all the restaurants.
- [48:24]
E
You know, I get they're being upset. I do think they got a raw deal. I do think and it would have could have easily been solved if the committee had jumped them the week after the pit game and said you know what? Miami looked better against Pitt. I think even Notre Dame was probably nervous of that scenario because they saw the score was better and Miami had a significant and they had common opponents. And that's the one thing I do think is interesting that Bavaka hasn't called out the committee. You know, like call them. They're the ones that screwed this out.
- [48:52]
B
I thought on Sunday his initial stuff was like, we have to do away with the committee.
- [48:57]
D
Yeah. Which I would agree with the weekly rankings.
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E
Yeah.
- [49:02]
C
I just wish Jim Phillips would ask Pete Bavaca if Notre Dame planned to give them a cut of the playoff money if they made it.
- [49:08]
E
Yep. That's what I would have said, because he referenced.
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C
If you would, maybe we would stump for you a bit more.
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E
Yeah.
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All in their own pocket. 20 million. All in their own pocket.
- [49:19]
D
Yeah.
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B
Because Notre Dame doesn't pay anything back.
- [49:23]
E
Zero. They got to pocket the whole thing. Ohio State had to divvy up 20 million with the Big Ten.
- [49:28]
C
I thought business partnerships went two ways.
- [49:31]
E
Same way. That's what I thought. Same. Same thing.
- [49:35]
B
All right. Any. Anything else from.
- [49:37]
E
Nope. Markets closed.
- [49:38]
D
Here's something to think about.
- [49:41]
If Notre Dame had had their automatic provision this year, like, they have next year, like, stardom lower. No, no, no. Like, they would have jumped Miami this year because they're automatically in if they're top 12. Like, and that would be.
- [49:58]
E
I hate this. I mean, this is.
- [49:59]
D
Why doesn't Genius by Notre Dame. It's great negotiating.
- [50:03]
E
Absolutely. But if you're the committee and you want to get deep. Conspiracy theory. Don't keep them at, like, 13 this year.
- [50:09]
D
I don't think they want to keep them out. There was no argument for them to be in this year, like, at all costs. They want to get Notre Dame in the playoff. Man, they're such a great draw. It's a TV product in a business.
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Miami just had so much better case. And Bama had, like, if you combine their best wins with Bama, Bama had, like, six of the top seven.
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Does anybody else have an MOU sign? Like, I. I tweeted as a joke that, like, Bama, if they're in the top 20, they're automatically in. It feels like it. Yeah. I'm curious to see, like, if any other league has, like, private deals signed with. With the playoff that.
- [50:42]
E
Yeah. How do we not know about this?
- [50:46]
C
I mean, do you have to sign an MOU with yourself?
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I'm pretty sure the SEC and Big.
- [50:52]
D
Ten have an MOU with the cfp.
- [50:54]
C
Seeing how they make all the decisions.
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B
Yeah, that's the. The one that everybody signed, including the ACC and the Big 12. Is that the SEC and the Big 10 have the power over this thing moving forward.
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So I don't know. I mean, it's the. The College Football Playoff brought to you by Bush's beans. Now on feast week, it's just an invitational. You know, pull some good teams together. They should have the College Football playoff in the Lahaina Civic center in Maui.
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D
I did see that the AD pulled back and said some of this damage is repairable. So maybe he's realizing, like they don't quite have the option that they think that they think they have in the very near term.
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C
It went from a wrapper bowl to replace reparable.
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D
Yeah, Like, I don't think you can just. I don't think you can just get out and do a scheduling agreement with the SMU next year or with the SEC next year.
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C
Right.
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D
Like they're going to a nine game schedule. It's a little bit harder than you think it is.
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E
Figuratively and literally.
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B
You just like make an extra point. It could have been all this taken care of. Coming up on the other side, the transfer portal will be opening in less than a month. What are our expectations? What does the Farmers Almanac say? Stormy. Transfer portal busy. Transfer portal weak. Strong. Get into all that and more.
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B
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. Yes, it is about that time of year. Doesn't open till January 2, but we've got some stuff to talk about. Let's jump into the portal.
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All right, again, January 2nd is when the transfer portal will open. We already got into a few of the quarterback dominoes, you know, talking about what the future might be for a, Sam Levitt for Brendan Sorsby, Lenora Sellers market and more. What about Dylan Raiola? If we were just taking bets, expectations, having a conversation, what is the thought about what might happen with our, with.
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D
Our boy, you know, where's he gonna go?
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B
Is he definitely A, is he definitely out?
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D
And B, okay, like any kind of odds offered that he stays?
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B
I listen, we, not everybody is out here in these personnel streets, but sometimes we need to guide our whole audience to, you know, where, where we're ultimately going to land. But yes, the thought is is he will not be there.
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C
Brandon Bell just nailed it.
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E
Yeah, he did. Yes.
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C
Here's Raola gonna go. Who needs. Oh, my God. He's going to Texas Tech and he's gonna wear the number 15 for the red Raiders.
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D
That's the hot rumor out there, man.
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B
Is it really?
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D
Yeah.
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E
All the money they got, the big money.
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C
Oh, my goodness.
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D
Now look they do man is not.
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C
Dodging the allegations like Tech does.
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D
Say they like the backup a whole lot.
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B
Oh, Will Hammond. He played well.
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C
Yeah.
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B
He just got hurt. I mean.
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D
Correct.
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B
He's also going to be coming off a knee surgery, right?
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D
Yeah.
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B
Wasn't it knee surgery? Wasn't this an acl? I'm not wrong about that.
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D
I don't. I don't know the injury, but it.
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B
Was, it was a knee injury that shut him down for the season.
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E
I thought it was acl.
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D
Okay.
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B
Yeah.
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E
Acl.
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B
That's awesome. I. I had Texas Tech as one of my teams to watch for sure. Just because you just back up the truck, right? Go out there and just take a Big 12 championship team, lose some players, back up the truck and go get yourself another fantastic haul. Do you know who else I had as a team to watch? The Florida State Seminoles. In which case I turned the. I turned the question to the Knoll boys to say what is. What are the realistic goals and expectations for the portal hall for Florida State heading into next season?
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D
Not good.
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Like, you have an AD that basically was out there believing like the salary cap, like the Easter bunny, you know, for. For a good year. So that, that put them behind the eight ball significantly because of what, the kind of money they thought they're gonna have to work with. And you clearly didn't have a plan to hire this GM and front office overhaul. If you did, you would have started it after the Stanford loss if you thought there was any real chance you'd bring Norvell back. So they're clearly not going to have this guy in place in time to make a meaningful impact on this year's Portal.
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Meanwhile, Zenith just said that their current gm, Derek Ray, who I think should have gotten out after 23 when he realized the staff couldn't recruit, you know, coming off what, 23, two record prior two years because Norvell didn't really hold him to a high work ethic standard for recruiting, but nonetheless, like, if he leaves, they're not going to have this plan executed in time. Right? These conversations have been had with agents for like six, eight weeks. Now a lot of these guys are spoken for, so.
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I would say like a poor projected one overall, to be honest, I don't see a lot of hope for this.
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B
Can you help me understand the consultants? Let me give you the way that I understood it because Cooper Patagna discussed how there's a either consultants or a consulting firm that is doing an analysis of their current GM and personnel department. And if you've seen office space, I just started thinking about the Bobs. The Bobs are in the Florida state office calling each one of these staffers in. So what exactly is it that you do here? And if that's what's happening right now, to your point about timeline.
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Can you give me any more details about that or is my vision of office space not that far off probably from what's happening?
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D
Yeah, so it's Jake Rosenberger who used to work for the Eagles. You know, they, he kind of is the one who helped author the change in Oklahoma's front office, which I think had kind of mixed results. Right. Like when OU and Nagy and those guys who I respect a lot when they first got there, I think they were making a whole lot of noise about how like they can win with all these three stars and, you know, find these market inefficiencies. And I think what they found is like, hey, just because you find a three star in April doesn't mean that others won't find him in, you know, in May and then his price is going to go up. So Oklahoma ended up having to be like a top bidder on a number of big time guys this year. So they're not doing the Moneyball thing. So this NFL smarter than everybody approach, I think North Carolina stuck with that for a lot longer than Oklahoma did. Oklahoma kind of realized like, hey, we're not playing the NFL, we're playing college. There are some NFL principles that might aid us. Also we have some major weaknesses in our game that we need to bring in some college people to help you help solve. Kind of got to mesh the two concepts. So like in theory that could work also if you're a big time coach. Like we saw Elaine Kiffin, Andy Stables reported he soured on Florida when Florida was was trying to like do an independent GM of him. He was like, absolutely not. And even when they backed off, Staples said he was still soured by it. So, you know, like, maybe that's what killed Florida for Lane Kiffin.
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So yeah, we'll see who they can hire. But like if the ad is also potentially on the hot seat. What kind of job security do you have as this gm?
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You know, like ads want to hire the coach because it's their ass if he fails. You don't think that same logic is going to apply to a gm?
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B
Well, I think the different levels of gm. I mean, there's the GM who is a staffer who is working for the coach. There's the GM who is Andrew Luck, who made the damn hire.
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D
Right.
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B
And everything in between. So it's just the way that these are assigned, who you work for, what the organizational chart looks like. Like, there's just not an industry standard for me to have a good feel for talking about GMs and understanding, you know, who the candidates are or how they're going to fit.
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D
Agreed.
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F
Who.
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B
Who are some other teams to watch in the portal?
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D
I mean, I think a lot of it starts with quarterback. Right. Does Dante or go pro at Oregon? If so, they're one to watch. Now. They did keep. Yeah.
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E
Why.
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D
Why am I blocking their backup's name? Apologize, guys. Like, they kept Nova sad. I think a lot of teams were like, hey, you can come start for us. So I'm assuming they're paying him something real. And I don't know how well he did in practice. I haven't asked. But if they like him, they might just go internal and not go transfer. Especially because JKS stayed at Cal.
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E
Right.
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B
So.
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I 1:1 of the line. I was listening to Cooper talk about this this morning, so it's like top of mind. He comped Tosh Lupoi from a work ethic standpoint to Mario Cristobal.
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D
Yeah, I would agree with that.
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B
He was like, keep your eye on what Cal is going to do, what Tosh is going to do, because their number one goal is to build around Jaron Kiave Saga Politelli. Like, they are going to go offensive line. Their wide receivers this year were among the nation's leaders in drops. Like, you are going to go out there and you are going to ensure your future. You've locked down the quarterback. And Cooper was basically saying, you know, the. All the things we think about when it comes to Mario and the way that he attacks the portal. Apply some of those same reputations to Tosh Lupoi. And when you combine that with Ron Rivera leading the way, like, Cal doesn't have the kind of money to go toe to toe in bidding wars with like the very, very top dogs. But it. It does sound like they've got the. The team in place and enough resources to be a team to watch as they Try to build around jks.
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D
I would agree with that. Let me see anybody who's kind of all in on a title. Like I think Texas in what could be Arch's final year. They should be pretty heavily in Notre Dame. Obviously like, like you know, car obviously like if he keeps playing this well, like he's not going to last four years in college. Like I would expect the Irish to be all in. Miami's kind of interesting one. Like I think I expect their approach to be all in every year given the schedule and the path is, is very something you can capitalize on. But they do lose a lot of like unique pieces off this team. But they have to be all in a quarterback because they know they don't have an internal option. Like they've not recruited quarterback at a high school well at all. So at least QB for them. I think Florida's got to kind of be all in. Like I think that's a win now roster if you, if you get qb. Right.
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B
You were talking about that. Were we ranking hires earlier this week?
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D
Yeah, I think Ford is a playoff team next year if they do a job in the portal.
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B
Right.
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D
Like I like that roster. I think Napier is a bad coach.
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B
Yeah. So they are going to be able to hold on to the. You think a lot of those pieces there?
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D
I think at least some. I mean I know other teams are like, you know, going after their guys right now. But like.
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If, if you're saving money on Summerall compared to Lane and you are and a lot, you should be able to retain that roster.
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E
What about Penn State with their schedule, new coach, no recruiting class, they've got.
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C
A lot to replace and I know reading class. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I don't know.
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E
I mean their schedule is perfect to make a run next year.
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C
I, I don't know. It's a tricky situation. Like I wouldn't be shocked if Rocco Beckt ends up going to Penn State. And that solves one problem. It's just I don't know if they are going to be.
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Like going heavy to like win next year or if it's going to be more of a long term kind of plan.
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I have the same question about Michigan. Like are you going to go all in and put a team around Bryce Underwood or risk losing Bryce Underwood after next year.
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D
Yeah, but don't you think they could keep Bryce Underwood by firing Sharon after next year?
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C
Yeah, but if I'm Sharon.
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D
Yeah.
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C
I need to win next year.
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D
I feel Bryce Underwood than Sharon Moore, with all due respect, like yeah, one's a hell of a lot more important to my program and if I'm sure.
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C
I want to go get some wide receivers, I want to go get. Yeah.
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D
Anybody.
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B
Who else? What, what other sort of dominoes players or teams do you have your eye on?
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D
I mean Bama's probably not in the quarterback market. Assuming Simpson goes right.
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B
Yeah.
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D
No, because they like, they like they think they hit on Keelan.
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B
Yep.
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D
So like that, that's big Auburn. I think Auburn's 100 in the quarterback market. Unless you think you can run the system with Daniels.
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B
What happens to Deuce Knight?
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D
I mean I, I think if they, if he was ready he would have played a little bit in some of these games other than just the FCS game. But he was electric in FCS game so maybe they're gonna work with him. I, I don't know.
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Who else like.
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B
I mean saying is going to be.
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D
In the market for a quarterback? I assume if Deuce did enter the.
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C
Portal.
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How heavy do you think the market would be?
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B
Style specific?
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D
Yeah, I think so too. Also like you know, patient specific. Is he somebody who would you do it like heavily incentive based, like hey here's, here's a million and a half. But like you can make up to four if you play this many games or something like that type thing.
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That's a good question, Tom.
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B
Does Nebraska have an outlook to be able to land a back a new quarterback and build or build a team around? Because this was a year with a lot of excitement that is very much ended in a. We thought this was going to be a level up year and as we're sitting here on December 10, I don't think that I've seen Nebraska football level up this season.
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D
That's a good thing.
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E
You got that extension.
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D
Yeah, I would say.
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So. Nebraska. The messaging from Nebraska from guys we know was like look 27, we are all in on high school. We have so many young guys coming back on this roster. We took a small high school class. Now you might sit here and say that's insane to be like all right, we're finally going to get high school recruiting right here in 2027. Because those guys won't really be an impact until 28 or 29. Fair. And it gets a real criticism. But they are going to be pretty heavily in the portal this cycle. Especially if slash when they lose Raiola. Right. You got to get multiple offensive linemen because like that was. We first guessed that and that was bad.
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Do you also need multiple defensive linemen? I think so. Maybe you go A little cheaper on QB there. If you're Nebraska and you try to get the lines of scrimmage right I.
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B
Would I mean to your.
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D
You know.
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B
Who didn't isn't getting enough highs of trophy loves Johnson, man. Yeah but like to your earlier point about talking about these quarterbacks, I think that stylistically, you know a matter of taste. I'm a little bit more in the give me the cheaper quarterback or an in house option and spend on the lines of scrimmage. That's just how I mean it might cost me a shot at a national championship, but I think I'd feel better about my chances to get to the playoff.
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And after that it's a dice roll. But this year will be interesting to.
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E
See like if Baron Morton, who I have my concerns about like if he if Texas Tech wins it with him. Well, I think it's a good quarterback. I don't think he's a difference maker. Might be a lot of teams following that model.
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B
Was Baron Morton one of the highest paid quarterbacks this year?
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C
I would assume he got a decent amount considering the money that they were splashing on the roster. Overall you probably don't want to have your quarterback being underpaid.
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D
He was like top 10.
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B
Yeah, no, no, no. See I, I do not. I just as like a matter of principle do not believe most of like your lists and your social graphics that are popping out there with payments and things like that. But Baron Morton is the one where you're like huh? Unless it is of course a rising tide lifts all boats with the amount of money that's being spent on the roster.
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D
Dirty Dogs 92 in the chat says Philo to UF to play under Buster would be the perfect QB for that Florida offense. Philo, for those of y' all who don't like follow Georgia Tech religiously, is Haynes King's backup who we know they're very high on.
- [68:02]
B
He played for Haynes last season at the end of the year and was.
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C
Good pretty damn well too.
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B
Yeah. So again, transfer portal opening January 2nd. We'll be giving you updates as we get them. Always interesting talking points throughout the year.
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We will be back Thursday 11am Eastern Time. We'll give you our breakdown for America's game. Army Navy coming up this Saturday as well as our Army Navy locks. Plus much more news and headlines from across college football. So come and hang out YouTube.com cover3 and you can follow him on Twitter at Time Fidelity. You can follow him at Buddha3. You can follow him at Danny Cannell. Follow me at chip underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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C
Thank you.
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D
See y'.
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C
All.
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E
See ya.
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