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Oh, could this vintage store be any cuter?
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Right.
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And the best part, they accept Discover. Except Discover in a little place like this?
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I don't think so, Jennifer.
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Oh, yeah, huh? Discover's accepted where I like to shop. Come on, baby. Get with the times.
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Right.
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So we shouldn't get the parachute pants. These are making a comeback, I think. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide, based on the February 2025 Nielsen report.
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Hey, Sal.
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Hank.
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What's going on?
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We haven't worked a case in years.
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I just bought my car at Carvana
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and it was so easy.
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Too easy.
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Think something's up? You tell me.
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They got thousands of options, found a
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great car at a great price, and
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it got delivered the next day. It sounds like Carvana just makes it
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easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right. Case closed.
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Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply.
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Welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli,
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Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college
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football coverage from national signing day to
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the national championship and everything in between.
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CBS Sports presents the COVID 3 podcast.
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And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Bud Elliott, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that, subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where Dash knows the deal. Dash jumping in. He said mailbag question for the tailgate. Have you hit the like button yet? Thank you, Dash. That's right, get those likes up. It is an interactive Thursday. That means we are going to have some questions. So Joey, Dirty Dogs, Dominic, so much more will be hitting your questions throughout the show. Also diving into the big old bag of mail where among the mailbag questions we'll be hitting yes, what if the NFL could draft a player's futures rights similar to what you have in the NHL, impact that that would have on the draft process and maybe even a look at the 2026 NFL Draft. Also, Mississippi State fan wants to find if they can get some consistency. Again, a few headlines and more but since it is interactive, let's just get warmed up with a little football question. Our friend Dirty Dogs jumped in and said mailbag question 1004am Eastern Time. We appreciate you getting here early. What defensive lineman would you want for your defense? An elite interior defensive line with an average edge Rush or an elite edge rush with an average interior defensive line. This is.
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I.
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This is kind of a little bit of a turkey or ham. You know, this is a little bit of a. You know, what kind? What's your favorite flavor of ice cream? I think it tells a lot about your personality here and how you want
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to play your defense.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think you're seeing this a lot in the NFL, where some of your interior guys are catching up a little bit in terms of value to your exterior D lineman because of how much, like, the whole sport has just gone to. Hey, like, explosive plays get you beat, staying too high. Everybody will say this is going to turn around because teams are going to get better at running the ball and blah, blah, blah and all that stuff. And. And, you know, maybe to some extent, but ultimately, like, running the ball, even if you do it well, is still less efficient than passing the ball. So teams are not going to come out of these two high looks for the most part, except situationally. And if you have a really good interior D lineman, that helps quite a bit to stay in those two high looks. However, I'm still going to take the edge rushers. Like, I. I think it's closer than you. Like, it's a much better question than if you asked me, like five or six years ago.
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Sure.
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But I'm going to take the edge rushers.
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Give me the elite interior defensive line, because if I can crush the pocket from the inside, I don't need great pass rushers on the edge to get home.
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I was thinking the interior as well.
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Yeah.
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I mean, when you think about collapsing the pocket, clogging up the middle, messing with the center, like in a quarterback's lap.
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Oh.
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So I was trying to think of players like Dundata, Kumsu or Donald. Yeah, like who.
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Who.
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Who wreaks more havoc potentially. And now you could have the sack numbers coming from the outside, but I just think of the. The damage you could do on the interior. So I think I might lean with Tom.
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I'm going to go interior as well. And I think that edge rushers, like, there are freaky edge rushers in every single NFL draft class, and they do not all become Pro bowlers or all pros. But those, like, really dominant interior defensive linemen usually end up converting that into a successful career, being able to really help their teams as a game changer. I think that you can make ordinary edge rushers extraordinary with elite interior defensive linemen. So it's like your set, or at least your sack numbers will Be better because so much attention will have to be paid to what's happening on the interior of the line.
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Now I will say the way that the question is phrased, like when they say elite interior defensive line, I assume that means a guy who can give me something in the pass rush. If they just mean an elite run stuffer at DT that's not going to collapse anything. Then I would rather have the edge rushers.
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And we just mentioned like all time greats. What would be a good. I'm not trying to put somebody on blast here but what would be a step down from that like where you'd say that they're elite for their time. Maybe not an all time great interior
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defensive lineman Ted Washington just because he was like 65 at a thousand pounds and he just could not be moved or in SAP.
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You know, like as far as guys that could rush the pasture from the interior. I guess the other thing on the edge guys though is like they do create the catastrophic plays for the defense at a much higher rate than your interior guys. Interior guys don't force fumbles. Right. Like they.
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It like the stuff that blindside strip sack.
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Yeah, exactly. Like tho those guys are getting a couple of those per year. You know we're like like a certain percentage of sacks are just going to end up as quarterback fumbles.
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Yep. Where does. What's. What's the read right now? I GUESS we're what 13 years after the championship. Where does Timmy Jernigan rank pretty good? Like above average. I mean he was with the Ravens for a little bit. How did the book end on him? Because he's. That is one of my times as a. That covering the sport that I remember really getting in tune with how disruptive and like a game changer you can be from the inside. Was Ocho Loco just like absolutely wrecking shop against opposing offensive lines in the acc.
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I mean he was really good in college obviously and I think at a you know, solid pro career. The guy next to him. Eddie Goldman. Yeah, like really good. Is he still in the league or did he retire?
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I don't know.
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I think he retired. He was good for the Bears though.
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I mean like I was. He was a two contract guy like a pretty good pro. They didn't have great edge rushers on that team. You know like line Mario Edwards Jr. Was actually really good when he was in shape and I think he might still be in the league. I mean I was a guy who could backflip it like 280, which is kind of nuts.
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But I Like the question though, you know, just sort of like, yeah, philosophically, how would you do it? That's, that's the good stuff that we like. We appreciate you, our good friend, Dirty dog season here a lot. And, and of course, getting that conversation started on the football side of things before we dive into the rest of the big old bag of mail and a few questions from the tailgate, a few headlines. But you threw this one in here. It's a headline that I, it didn't move me. I'm very curious to see like what you read on it. And the reason it didn't move me is because I'm not very smart. I don't understand the Clearinghouse. I don't understand the College Sports Commission. I just think all NIL is, is fair and ready to go. There's no rules. Sign whatever you want. But I know that our friend Brandon Marcelo wrote a story for CBS Sports about how the Clearinghouse is just being crushed. Just the amount of paperwork that is being provided, it's making it very difficult. And some Nebraska players have taken legal action against the CSC suing because they're nil deals were rejected. So I. What, what can come of the lawsuit and what's. What's sort of the precedent that is being set here because what. I did not get a good feel. So I'm excited to hear you sort of like steer the ship on this one.
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Yeah. So basically their deals got rejected and they're like, hey, this, the CSC is funded by the schools, which seems an awful. Like it's, it's an independent entity that is funded by the employers. This sounds an awful lot like them colluding to keep your salaries low. So they're going to go to arbitration first because that, that's, that's what the agreement calls for. And if they don't win that, I assume that they will try to take it elsewhere or maybe get the attorney general involved. Right. Which obviously he would have a lot of incentive to support Nebraska's players. That's Nebraska football is the biggest pro sport in Nebraska by far. But yeah, I do think that the schools paying for the CSC is the really interesting piece here. Right. Because I'm like, oh, okay. Like what if, what if ESPN and CBS and Fox all funded at independent entity that had to review our contracts to say whether we were being paid above market or not.
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Where.
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Or any. You see what I'm saying?
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Well, no, to me it just seems like we switched out CSC for ncaa. We've just switched two things. A school decides they're going to sue the ncaa or, or maybe the school doesn't, but the attorney general in the state of West Virginia or Tennessee decides that they're gonna sue over the rules. And that is like, well, you're kind of suing yourself. But those weren't. I mean, like, is the school suing them and is the NCAA funded? Is that collusion? Like, that's, that's where I can't necessarily make all these connections. Not like I disagree. I just. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if, like, is the CSE truly funded by the schools or have they created enough sort of, like, loopholes around the way to. To make that argument in court?
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I'm sure it'll be argued both ways that they certainly receive funding from the schools, so maybe the extent to which it's funded by the schools will be important here. Yeah, I mean, you also saw the, the plaintiffs in house, the, the, the counsel for them speak out and say, hey, like, this rejection of deals is, like, not cool. This was not what we contemplated in the settlement.
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So,
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yeah, I just, I don't think you can restrain private businesses in America given, like, you know, our, our economy from doing what they want to do.
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Like, there's one of the problems, and this is an example from an article that somebody was written by David Kavuchi. And this is something he. He tweeted, UCLA's Jordan Childs got 250 grand from a sparkling water company for social media, quot media. And this is like, cases that have been, you know, given to the CSC and they've got to, you know, like, clear them. She has 1.6 million Instagram followers, so she got 250 grand. A football player got 450 grand from an nil collective for social media. He had 37, 000 followers. So it's like that this is part of the problem that they're dealing with and that there are some guys and some people who are clearly getting a lot more based on whatever the hell the going rate is supposed to be. And it's obvious. It's like, why is the person with nearly 2 million people following them getting a quarter of what the guy with 37,000 is following, right?
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And I think if you are the player who got a lot more and has a smaller social media following, you would point to the wall of TVs over here and you would say, how about the total media following that me playing well drives, Right? Like, if the claim is better players.
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The claim was filed as social media. It Wasn't overall television value.
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Right, right. Social media.
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Well, that's what the farce is.
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Yeah, right. Which is largely what the schools wanted it to be. That's why they wanted to label it this. Right. So they could try to suppress salaries.
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What do you think, Danny?
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I think it's all a complete mess.
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Right?
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I mean, it's just like. Because it is. It's a sham.
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It is.
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They're right. But is it legal, you know, or is it illegal, I should say. And can they, you know, can they fight this and win? You know, I don't think so.
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And the other issue here is, like, they're saying Nebraska and their corporate partner was. They call it warehousing. Right. Where like, you buy the. Some of the players in IL rights up front, but you don't have, like, deals lined up for them yet. That again, that happens all the time in other entities. If you were building a startup show, Right. You don't have ratings and revenue on that yet.
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Right.
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But you would need to secure talent. This is just kind of the. You're like, oh, you need to have all the deals in place, you know, when you promise them. Why?
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Why would a business sign up for a deal if I don't know who the deal is going to be with?
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No, I'm saying, like, like if you are a marketing agency, you may pay in advance to a player and then you have the right to sell off his rights, you know, elsewhere. So later on in the year, you
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might start a media company and then put yourself tremendously in debt overpaying for people to start your media company. And then once it grabs a foothold, you'll sell it to somebody bigger to get all your money back.
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Correct? Yeah.
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Hey, this is great advice. We just went business on you. You didn't. Media business conversation right here. I don't think. Have we.
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I think Ryan in the chat's right there. Like, schools should just buy bot farms
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and just jack up the numbers just to be like, oh, you just need more Twitter followers. That's fine, we can generate those for you. And then. Then what happens when. When they all flip and they get. So when the player graduate goes to the NFL and then they all get sold off.
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Right.
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Then an audit of that player's social media account gets very, very interesting. I haven't seen the CSC rule anybody ineligible, have we?
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No, because you would have to. I think you're only ineligible if you get ruled against, go through arbitration and lose, and then refuse to return the money.
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Right.
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I mean, could you imagine that? Though, I mean, because, I don't know, you got. I mean, when I got my first signing bonus, I went out and made some purchases, you know, and let alone. What if they took the tax. I don't know how the taxes work. If they took them out, you know, these. It's going to be a total mess if they do.
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I tell you what, there's. If there. There is a player. I mean, many players, but there's a player who's listening to this right now and who's just punching the wall because they had to pay $320 of restitution for, like, sleeping on a couch for improper housing or some minor violation from way back.
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Did you see that just happened at Mississippi State with the golfers that took the trip to Mississippi State? There were a couple golf recruits.
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Recruits, yeah.
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That went. And they played golf and they had to pay back, like, 90 bucks to a charity. I mean, it was a joke. Meanwhile, you've got players getting paid appearance fees essentially, to take a visit. I. I cannot figure out for the life of me what the NCAA was thinking with that one.
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When was the last time a player was ineligible for anything other than they just ran out of eligibility?
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Right.
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Academically ineligible. We haven't seen it.
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Online classes basically made that.
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I'm saying, like, there used to be guys, you'd be like. They'd have to sit out a game and you'd be like, oh, they were ruled academically ineligible. I haven't heard that term in, like, seven years at this point.
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Do you know when I remember always being on alert for. It was for the bowl game.
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Yeah.
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It would always be the end of the semester. Somebody just wouldn't have theirs.
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This impacted, like, major games.
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Yeah.
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Of course, they didn't have Snoop Minis. Remember,
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Timmy failed his geometry test, so my Plus 5 ticket is boned.
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Dion just didn't take his finals. Yeah.
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I think he just said, forget it. And then, you know, he ended up playing because he was like, what are you going to do? And so they had this special rule put in saying you had to finish your exams.
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I had a future New York Giants wide receiver in a women's studies class of mine. You would not believe how fast he finished his final exam. I mean, it was like, truly, he must have been an academic all star, because those blue books were passed out. And Buddy, he was up at the front turning it in really, really fast. I mean, that guy knew his stuff was ready for that women's studies class.
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I mean, really, the. The academically eligible stuff is really Since COVID because of online classes and online courses have become so prevalent that they figured out a way.
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The other thing is the portal, because if a player starts, like, flunking out, they'll just transfer, right?
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Yeah.
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You know, or. Or there's like they're already deciding to leave the program. They've already checked out. So some of those end up changing along the way.
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It's not hard to dox the receiver. Chip just mentioned. I know how many North Carolina receivers.
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He was an academic all star, you know. Absolutely.
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Maybe he worked for the Giants. Who knows?
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Probably in his. Probably in his later 30s at this point. I don't know.
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I can't figure out how to unsubscribe.
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big shots upsets, ACEs TGL playoffs are here.
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First Atlanta drives starts their repeat run against Los Angeles Golf Club.
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Then Rory's Boston Common Golf and Tigers Jupiter Links face off in their playoff debuts.
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Who will advance?
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Keep up its playoffs tune in Tuesday,
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March 17th at 6:30pm and 9:00pm only
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on ESPN and the ESPN app.
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Oh, one other thing that could help Nebraska players like establish that the CSE is just a cartel of schools. Their eight member governance board includes each power conference commissioner and a corresponding university president. So not only do they pay for it, their governance board is made up.
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It's four commissions and four university presidents.
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Yeah, that's per Dellinger in his article there.
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So esc the College Sports Cartel.
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Oh, print the shirts.
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Let's go. Was it was cartel used as part of the C in the old NCAA where like when Tark was going after him? I forgot.
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I think so.
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Do you remember?
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Amazing.
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Yeah. Incredible stuff. All right. We do enjoy spending time on Thursdays at this time of year, getting into some of your thoughts, some of your questions, some of your queries. So let's head on down to the mailroom.
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All right.
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Opening up the big Old Bag of mail. A reminder. If you want to add a question to the big old bag of mail, you can go Leave us a five star review and in that review put your question this question comes from Apple username gmills Gents, Long time listener, first time question asker. Since I know y' all watch hockey, I wanted to ask the following could the NFL move to a futures style draft akin to the NHL? Players become eligible to be drafted at 18 and essentially get their rights drafted while being eligible to play in college. In the world of nil, I think this makes sense. NFL teams could trade futures picks depending on their performance. Adding some interesting storylines to the game. Would probably need to pick an age you can get called up parentheses they suggest maybe 20, but overall could be cool. Would really enjoy to hear your thoughts. Have a good one. G. Mills
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they could. I don't understand why they would like
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why would the NF like? What is the motivation for the NFL to do this?
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The NFL is very much A sport that is year by year. Like you know, you see NBA teams tank, you see NHL teams tank, you see baseball teams tank. Because like rebuilds are multi year processes. The NFL does not work that way. Like you do see teams rebuild, but it's usually a one or two year thing. So like the idea of having futures contracts and taking guys who might not help you for another four to five years doesn't really make a ton of sense to me as far as what the NFL does. And then the NFL has a built in minor league system in college football already. So they can wait for these players to develop and get a better idea of drafting them. Whereas in the NHL, yes they have the ahl, they have those junior leagues and they have, you know, like some of the players stay in Europe and play even after they're drafted. It's just you're drafting them a lot sooner and they still need time to develop. And it's usually you're older by the time you get to the NHL, while some of the young phenoms start early. But I just, I don't. The NFL could, I just don't see why it makes any sense for the NFL to do so.
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I mean I think some NFL teams would, would certainly want to. Right. If you are a team that that is, is older, maybe you have a higher payroll. You realize like you're going to have some of those, those guys expiring,
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you know.
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So would this work as like let's say that I am Miami Dolphins, right. Could I use a third rounder this year on Malachi Tony, right? Who like and then I get him when he like I think a lot of teams would, would spend a third rounder on like an Elijah Griffin or you know, Devin Sanchez or, or Malachi Tony. You know, guys, they think of a, a real high probability of, of being like at least picked at the spot that they took him now but, but a real opportunity to move up later, you know, based on what they showed as a freshman. Like would you not spend like a late second or like a late first round pick on Jeremiah Smith in this year's draft?
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Well, so that's why, that's why I think it's interesting because you are creating the debate that all draft analysts have. Or it's like, and if he was eligible he would have been selected here. But the other part of the calculus that this adds is but you don't get him right away, right. You know, like you are drafting him, sure. But he doesn't get to come to your team until he hits a Certain age or draft eligibility.
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The other question would be, does he get paid on the scale of the current draft or when he actually enters the league?
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I would think, I mean, if I'm creating this for the most interest, I would do it on the current scale because then it motivates, it further motivates the teams to draft the rights rather than wait for you to get in so you could lock in at the price. Right now,
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do the kid, do the hockey players get paid by the team?
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No.
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So they have to wait until they're a professional. They go play college, they have to win.
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Just owns the rights.
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Correct.
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So what happens? Let's say there was a case where.
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But they can make money. Like, they can make money from somebody that Tom used the example about in Europe, a lot of like, players in the khl, Russian players will get their right, their NHL, their American rights drafted, but they can still be playing full seasons in the KHL making money from their Russian team.
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And there are college players in America making nil money.
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Nil money.
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Yep.
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Right from the draft.
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Like, if you got a signing bonus right now. Yeah, yeah. I think what gets really interesting is the quarterback market, because every year, like last year's quarterback plus going in the season like it was DJ Lagway and Lenora Sellers, if they were drafted, where would they have gone? And where does that start to settle out? Like if you, if you wasted a first round pick on a, you know, Lagway or a Sellers, and then all of a sudden he's got to play and they're not playing as good, then you're like. So I would, I would love to see where these teams would start risking some of these picks to take them. And it's part of the normal draft. I'm asking a lot of questions because I'm not too familiar with it. Is it a separate draft or is it part of the NHL draft?
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C
It's the NHL draft.
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D
Oh, you could choose like, and it'd be interesting where the players would fall, whether the teams would see value in taking the risk on player X. You know, if he looks like a sure thing, do you take him with a first round pick? But you've got to wait.
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C
Yeah. Like, if you look at like for example, last year's NHL draft, Matthew Schaefer was the first pick by the Islanders. He is currently on the Islanders and he's playing very well. Second pick was Michael Misa. He's played a little bit for the Sharks, but he's also gone up and down between the minor leagues, Blackhawks pick third, they picked a kid named Anton Frondell. He's been in Sweden the entire time. He's never come over to the America to play yet. So there's, it's, it varies depending on what you want to do with the player. I think the other side of this though, like negative wise is like let's say you're Mario Cristobal and you've got a five star quarterback who you're developing. But he's been drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs, they own his rights. And the Kansas City Chiefs are calling you every damn day, checking in, making sure that you're doing what they want you to do with their quarterback. Like that would annoy the crap out of me as a college football coach to have to deal with that. So that's a headache I don't think they want to deal with. And then another aspect to it brought up in the chat just now. Can we scroll back up here to find it from fisherman F8s? If they want to kill the draft as a product, then yeah, do the futures draft. Because think about it like the NFL draft is a huge television commodity. Both the draft itself, the NFL Network broadcasts, the combine, there's all that stuff that goes into it because people want people pay attention to it, people watch it. How many people are watching the MLB draft? How many people are watching the NHL draft? Yeah, these are kids that you're probably like, you'll know their names but you're not going to see them on your team for five or six years. There's not as much interest.
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B
So I would push back on that a little bit. I think it has the potential to be a negative for the draft, but there are some key differences. Like these guys are not five, six years away, right. They're really, I think for the most part, one additional year away. Right. Like you're probably, for the most part using like probably second to fifth round picks, taking shots on guys that you think have a chance to be like a round and a half better than that if, if they were, you know, if they keep developing. Right. Most, I think most of your guys are still going to be dudes who can help your team this year. You know, like they're, there's, if you listen to me's draft pods. I mean there's somewhere between like 16 and 20. Like everybody has a first round grade on this guy every single year. And then some drafts are more like 28s and some more drafts are more like, you know, 18, 20ish of that range. But there's Top half of the first round I still think would be pretty much unchanged. Unless there's like a generational guy, you know, Like, I could see a team saying, all right, you know what? Like, if we think we're getting Julio, we'll. We'll take Jeremiah 16 and we'll wait a year, you know, but other than that, I don't think there's a lot of that out there in this. And I mean, it would give some fans some more hope if that kid keeps, like, keeps crushing. And they're like, oh, yeah, sweet, we got him. You know, like this kid's coming up
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A
for him to get up.
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B
Yeah, yeah, right. It would increase viewership in college.
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C
Disagree. A lot of raise minor league baseball games.
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B
No.
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C
Okay, so it's not going to increase viewership.
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B
I don't know, man. Like, I think if you get like a major market guy, you know, like, people are like, oh, shoot, like the jets have Dante coming and he's crushing, you know, I think you would get More coverage on SportsCenter.
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A
Bryce Underwood is not eligible until the 2027 NFL Draft. Are there any quarterbacks who he would go ahead of in this scenario where the team would be drafting the future rights to Bryce Underwood? So it's like, yeah, where would you go in this draft? But also with the knowledge of you don't get him for at least. Where does he fall in the pecking order? Because I've heard there's no quarterback.
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B
Fifth.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. So you're taking a top three round pick at this point, you think he would. No, I don't think he'd go in the first three rounds. Although, I mean, you know what, the team's overdraft quarterbacks all the time, so maybe he would, but I don't. It's hard to say for sure because
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A
saw your Robertson over the future rights to Bryce Underwood.
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C
No, no, I'm just saying I'm not drafting him with my first three rounds. I'm definitely drafting Sawyer Robertson in the fifth round. If I need a quarterback, though, it's the same thing. I just, I don't think.
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D
That's where I think value. That's where I think it gets really interesting is where, you know, how much risk would these teams take on some of these quarterbacks that you think could be good?
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A
Right. I love Norris Sellers because we went. I mean, this time last year. Yeah, top five pick.
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B
Like, you don't think Jaron would go higher than fifth round?
- [32:47]
A
Oh, Jaron Kiave Saga Polytelli.
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B
Yeah. Given the throws we saw him make and the ability for him to move around with some pretty spotty protection.
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A
I'd take him over Drew Aller.
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B
Yeah, right.
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C
But I don't think Jaron is still three years away from being L or two more seasons away from being eligible for the NFL. I don't think they're going to want to use a first three round pick on a kid who might crap out by then.
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D
But that's what we don't know. That's where I think it gets interesting.
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B
Yeah, I mean, the crap out rate on quarterbacks who have played three, three seasons in college is still fairly high. Now, I grant you that it's probably higher for guys who have not played three seasons.
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C
Danny would have drafted Kate Clubnik in the first round after his freshman year. How would that have worked out for him?
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B
Danny would have gone to see him in person and then he would be like, all right, hold on.
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C
But I, I think the other angle here too is like, Chip, you mentioned, would they be getting paid the current rate for where they're drafted? Like if I'm Bryce Underwood, why the hell would I want this rule? So a team can draft me in the sixth round. I could go on to win the Heisman in a national title and I'm going to get stuck being paid sixth round quarterback money. What the hell?
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B
Rookies don't have representation in the nflpa. Like when the nflpa, when they're voting, when their voting block said, yeah, we'll go ahead and just cut the hell out of these deals. We don't have any more Sam Bradford deals that didn't impact anybody who's currently voting. Right. Like, yeah, more money for the vets, more money for the league minimum type thing. Like, I don't think they have a ton of leverage here.
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C
But my point is why? I mean, players wouldn't want this. Like, it's, you'd still get first round money. Like there are contract agreements for teams in the first round. You're going to pay them this much and they get a fifth year option.
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B
Oh, players wouldn't want it for sure, but they don't have representation in the bargaining unit is what I'm saying. Like they didn't have contracts like Sam
- [34:31]
C
Bradford to these NHL players that you're drafting early are able to negotiate with the teams.
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A
I think that your point about the coaches and the meddling from the NFL teams is another like one that I hadn't considered yet because I know that happens. And there's just, I mean I, I definitely, I push back on your scenario only because you talked about Miami developing a quarterback. We know that's not really what they're into.
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B
Quarterback last year is crystal ball calling Manny be like, hey man, I need
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C
you to do this, this, this.
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B
We can get this kid ready to play for.
- [35:08]
A
So you. So Mario Cristobal has a multi year development at quarterback. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That guy's just shopping on the top shelf every year.
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C
Imagine Nick Saban for the last 20 years with 35 draft picks on his team every single year, having all of those guys already being drafted and having to deal with all their NFL coaches ahead of time.
- [35:28]
B
So let me ask you this, what happens now if a player doesn't come to an agreement with a team in the regular draft?
- [35:35]
C
They go back into the pool for any year.
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B
So wouldn't the same thing happen to, to the, to the guy drafted early?
- [35:43]
C
I would imagine. But that's again. So why are teams going to waste those picks on players if the players aren't going to agree to go?
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B
Well, that's why they get pushed up a little bit higher actually, because you need to draft them at least somewhat or maybe, maybe they're so they're slotted. Right. Like, can I can if I'm the Jets, can I pay some guy in the fifth round, like he's a first rounder?
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A
Can't you do signing bonus?
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C
No, you. There's like the NFL has strict rules of how much guys can be paid based on where they were drafted.
- [36:11]
A
Well, they learned from college. No rules, just pay them whatever you want.
- [36:15]
B
Yeah, if they did it, if they did it, they would have to basically say, like, you'd have to have a little more leeway to, to sign them, you know, something higher. Otherwise you would clearly just lose them back. Like, you'd have to work that out.
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C
The way baseball does it is you get a certain pool signing bonus based on where you finished and where you're picking in the draft. So there are teams that will go cheap in the first round drafting a guy they know they can get cheap. And then maybe in the third or fourth round, they'll draft a kid who is made it clear he intends to go to college. But if we offer him a ton of money, maybe we can coax him into skipping college and coming straight to us. So maybe they would adopt that model. But again, this is just, this is the NFL throwing something on its plate that complicates its life far more than it needs to. Like, the NFL dominates the world as far as sports is concerned. They don't need to make any changes. Things are going just fine for them.
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B
Right.
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C
So this is something a struggling league would consider.
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B
So you, you hear the teams complaining that like, hey, you know, 60 of the best hundred draft prospects decided to return to school, Right? But they're more just like complaining. Not really like, hey, we need a real solution to fix this type thing. I can get on board with that. Yeah, I don't think they need this necessarily. Like, couldn't the Saints use this though?
- [37:31]
D
Aren't they still in like cap hell right now?
- [37:34]
C
I think they're okay.
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B
Okay.
- [37:36]
C
Is there a team? The salary cap went up like 40 million over the last two years. I think everybody's fine now.
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B
See?
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A
All right, let's do one more from the big old bag of mail, then we'll hit a break and hit some tailgate. Questions? Hey guys, long time listener, first time mailbagger here. In light of the US Men's hockey team winning gold, I gave Miracle yet another rewatch. And it got me thinking. Given the current climate of the nil transfer portal arrow that panders to keeping players comfortable and happy, is it actually no surprise that Kurt Signetti got a group of, quote, lower tier players to be coached hard and thus play harder than than more talented but better compensated opponents? In other words, do you think that the proverbial pendulum will swing back towards coaches, quote, not looking for the best players, looking for the right players? If so, then do you all think that in the same way Herb Brooks revolutionized play, but also player evaluation to create a better team than the Super NHL or Soviet teams, will we see other coaches shift their emphasis on towards high character traits rather than just the physical traits that will allow them to coach their players hard enough to overcome more talented opponents? Bud, I know how much you love market inefficiencies, so would this be one that recalibrates your thoughts on the blue chip ratio? Love the pod. Keep up the great work and would love to hear your thoughts. Much thanks. From a Spartan living behind enemy lines in Pennsylvania.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I think coaches always value fit to some, to some level. How good do you think you are at scouting fit if you have not previously coached a lot of these players?
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A
Oh, like how good is, how good
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B
is Indiana at scouting fit if Indiana staff was not previously at JMU with
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A
12 to 20 JMU players, right?
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B
Like we don't know if Indiana is like seven standard deviations ahead of everybody else at scouting fit and personality when they have to scout a pool that they have not previously coached, Everybody's going to be Pretty good at scouting personality. If you previously coached all these players, like, if you had to just like, you know, basically off your own roster, you should be able to do that. I'm sure they actually do put great value on scouting and all that kind of stuff. But ultimately are they that much better at that? Do we know that? I don't know. Tom's got a book here. He may have the answer.
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C
This is for our question, what was their name? J Hop Jay. This is a book called Fooled by Randomness. All right. What it is, is it. It describes how human beings over our history have had a tendency to be fooled by the outlier event and think that it's a sign of things to come. Indiana winning the national title is not going to change anything. Talent is going to be supreme. As you've seen what Indiana has done since winning the national title and losing all those great character fits that they had on their team, they went and added a bunch of more talented players from the transfer portal to make sure that they could keep winning. Also, all those character fits were there two years ago when they had Curtis Rourke, a great character fit at quarterback and they got their skulls caved in by all the elite teams. So what they did was they went into the transfer portal, got a very talented quarterback, a guy who ended up winning the Heisman and will be the number one pick in the NFL draft and not because of his character traits and won a national title. So no, I don't think that teams are going to stop going in talent. And also I really like the movie Miracle. To her, Brooks did not revolutionize anything about hockey scouting. If you go watch an NHL draft, they're not drafting guys based on their character or fit. They are drafting them based on their talent. Thank you for your question.
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A
I wanted to clarify that the question asked about the difference in talent and compensation because Indiana was well compensated. Yes, that roster, that roster, they are not some like hard Scrabble, you know, rubbing two nickels together type team. They are a professional operation. The same way as any other team that's competing for titles in college football in the Big Ten. They have resources. They put those resources to much better use than some of their well funded peers, I will grant you that. But yeah, I think that what we have seen also with some of those Indiana players in the NFL draft combine process would suggest they are also talented and weren't necessarily punching that much out of their weight class with some of those big wins. As large as they were for the uniform they wore and the logo on the helmet. And the history of Indiana football, you strip away all historical context. They were a talented, well funded team that won tough games against other good teams and that's why they're the national champions.
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B
I do think with the talent being more spread out in the sport, you are very unlikely to build a team that is great at everything. So really understanding where you can kind of scrimp a little bit and not waste your, your dollars acquiring players who don't like, fit what you do really well. And if you can really have your staff kind of distill to your personnel staff and your data people and your modeling people, hey, like, we have to have this. This is something we can, you know, kind of like go cheap on in this system. We don't play this kind of coverage, we don't ask this guy to do this, then you're probably using your money more efficiently. And then if you're able to go cheap in some areas, you could spend up in other areas. Right? So that's something I think Indiana is probably very good at actually like using their data and their tracking stuff to figure out, okay, in order to play our system, we need to do this, this and this. Let's stay focused on that because I don't think you need, like we talked about, you don't need to play as like a power rating of a 30 or 31 anymore to win a national title. Like a 24 can get it done. A 24 is a, is a really good team that has floss. So if you can understand what flaws you can get away with, then I think you can build a contender.
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A
I'd agree with that also. I would think that every head coach is analyzing personality and fit and having to make those trade offs along the way. I mean, I guess, I guess back in the day when Saban really was casting the largest net and just pulling out five stars, he would do that evaluation more on the fly. And that's how players would end up at Texas A and M and players would end up elsewhere. You know, like, if you couldn't cut it, then you transfer out. I mean, how many, how many college football teams during the Saban era got so fired up in spring practice because they got a transfer from Alabama? You know, like just. I tell you what, our wide receiver room is fixed. JoJo Earl is coming. Boys, we're going to be all good. Yeah, that's, you know, see if the fit's there.
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C
Just to throw a little more dirt on this idea. The, the examples used us winning the 80 gold medal. Indiana, the US did not win another gold medal in hockey. For 46 years, Indiana was the first team to bust through the blue chip ratio in like, what, 28 years, 30, whatever. However long further back we could go outlier events. That's not to say Indiana can't win it again, but I bet you Indiana, as far as the blue chip ratio, is a much better team the next time it does win at all.
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A
I'd bet that as well. All right, coming up on the other side, more of your questions and our answers. Plus, starting with tailgate question from earlier in the week with a look at the Missouri quarterback battle. All that and more next back here on the COVID 3 podcast. Gonna hit some tailgate questions now, and this was one that actually we were not able to get to in a previous episode, but the question was about Missouri's quarterback battle. Now we've got a new offensive coordinator, of course, as Kirby Moore has taken over the head coaching job at Washington State. That's Chip Lindsay walking through that door. We got Austin Simmons coming over from Ole Miss and of course, Matt Zollers, who we saw near the end of last season. What's our thought here? What. How does, how does this end up going? Because Missouri has. Has established themselves where. It doesn't sound like anyone is ready to write off Missouri, but I have not heard a lot of beating the drum for this is the year for Missouri.
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B
Yeah, I'm not willing to write them off. I assume Austin will win the job.
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C
I don't.
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B
I don't think he came cheap. So.
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A
Okay, so when Eli Drinkwood said the Matt Zoller's era begins now and tweeted it, that's. That wasn't like in stone that he's taken over and he's going to drive this thing.
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B
I, I think if Simmons didn't think he was going to win that job, he would not be at Missouri.
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C
There's. There's two truths to life. Follow the money. And another one. I don't know if you guys have ever heard it. Actions speak louder than words. So Eli can say what he want, but he watched Matt Zollers play in, what, eight games last year because Bo Pribula was dealing with an injury. And then for some reason after the season ended, he went into the transfer portal and got Austin Simmons and offered him money to come to Columbia to play quarterback. I'm thinking it'll be Simmons.
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D
You think the market for Simmons was pretty robust because I know he was
- [47:22]
B
making a ton of Ole Miss. I think there are teams that took a lot lesser quarterback to Where I bet you Missouri had to pay up to get him. I don't know what he's making at Missouri, but guarantee it's over a million and most schools are not paying that for a backup.
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A
So that is what the battle, the way it's projected. Do you think that's the way it ends? Because like you mentioned, I mean, okay, you're going to say, you're going to say that Austin Simmons getting Wally pipped was mostly Trinidad Chambliss and not at all Austin Simmons not really like settling in and given enough, you know, meat there to be able to win that job and sort of avoid getting it taken.
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B
I think Simmons. Go ahead, Tom.
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C
He got pipped because he was struggling like a young, inexperienced quarterback would and Ole Miss had. I mean, the reason they went and got Trinidad was they wanted a veteran, experienced guy behind him in case it didn't work out. So they threw in the veteran guy and the veteran guy wasn't making the same rookie mistakes. Austin Simmons is going to missou and he's still relatively inexperienced, but it's not like Matt Zollers is a 24 year old veteran just waiting to take the reins from him. He's also young and inexperienced.
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B
In their both limited sample sets, Simmons has been better and I know Simmons has better physical tools. So to me he's higher floor and higher ceiling. I expect him to start at Missouri.
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A
There you go. But it's Chip Lindsay, you know, how
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B
did Chip Lindsay get this job?
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C
Well, he, he had a LinkedIn profile. He got. He went to Indeed.com. he filled out a resume. Eli scrolled through, sounded and said, why don't you come in for an interview, young man? And he was impressed.
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A
I don't have this pulled up right now. Does. Is Chip Lindsay part of that old crew that stems from Gus, Maybe.
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B
He was at Arizona state in 16,
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D
so that would be the 13, 2013. He was Auburn offensive assistant.
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A
Yep, there he goes. Okay.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So he was on that tree.
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A
Yeah, that's. I've. Eli being from Arkansas and his time that he spent. I can't remember if he was an analyst or an assistant, but he was with Gus at Auburn for a little bit. You go back and you find photos of like Gus, Rhett Lashley, Eli Drinkwitz. I mean, just a pretty good collection of offensive coaching talent. I can't remember. I didn't remember if Chip Lindsay was around for that. But I think. But that's the answer to your question. Previous relationship, similar coaching tree.
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B
I'm not saying this is like a Fall off the cliff, Missouri screwed type thing. But I don't think I would have him rated as highly as I did Kirby Moore.
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A
I don't think that's controversial. If you want to buy Kirby Moore stock, you can. You can. You can watch me run the price up on that, because I'm holding all the Kirby Moore stock. I got Washington winning the PAC 12. I mean, listen, this. This is going to be hot. Cougs are going to be back in business.
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B
Now, Chip was at Carolina, and they had good offenses, but they also had Drake May.
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A
Right?
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B
Which does help
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C
Chip, just not to support other. Is there no solidarity? You're just like the one supreme Chip.
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A
Do you know what I used to do if there was another Chip? I would just have to decide that we were mortal enemies. Chip is such a rare name that, like any kind of, like, sports camp, sports team, or, you know, anything else, if you find another Chip there, you are my enemy. Because there is only enough room in this gym for one Chip. Okay? So I. I'm sorry, Chip. Lindsay, professionally, I understand you've had a successful career being able to establish yourself out here in these streets, but. Yeah, I think that's probably where my. My beef comes from. I mean, look, he had a Marion Hampton. Oh, you know, like he had. Did you know Drake May was the leading rusher his second year as a starter? Because they. Why'd you make him do that? I don't know.
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C
But what if Chip is their birth name and not a nickname? Then do they have, like, kind of a superiority over you? Do they get to tell you to kick rocks?
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A
But I really feel like it's unlikely that Chip is going to be a birth name. It could if they. If they can come out there. That might be powerful. I don't think I've run into it, because it really is just a suffix off. You know, who can gain more power from their suffix in this alpha?
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C
Like, am I a third and you're a fourth? Stop talking to me. Don't make eye contact. Wow.
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A
I'm closer to the beginning of this line.
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B
30 to 50 people per year are born with Chip as a birth name. That is incredibly low. Wow.
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A
Okay. All right, let's dive back.
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C
So we're saying our Chips. A wannabe. He's not a real deal.
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A
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, I. I take power.
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B
He's literally a Chip.
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A
I'm empowered by my suffix. Okay, yeah, that's that. I will take that all day. Could. Could have been a Chip. Could have been a trip. Could have Been a tray but suffix empowerment month. All right, let's go back to the tailgate. What? Call me crazy, but I think we should abolish the draft in all professional sports. Let it be a free market like any other employment opportunity. This came up in the NBA this season. Is that right?
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D
Yeah, they did kick that around. Somebody threw it up. I don't know if it was Adam Silver. It might have been somebody who covers the NBA that said they should do that. I mean, it'd be great for the athletes.
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C
Yeah.
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B
It'd be terrible for the teams.
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A
Which is why it won't happen.
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D
Exactly.
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C
All right.
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B
It also would wouldn't help current NBA players. Right. It would probably take money from them because there are certain guys who would get paid a hell of a lot more than the draft slot allows them. Right?
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A
Yeah.
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C
But there's still the salary cap you have to deal with, so.
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B
Right. So if the sour cap remains in place, but the rookie wage scale is gone because you're competing for them on a free market, like, that's not good for veterans. So I don't think that the current players would vote for this. Again, prospective players do not vote in the NBA, PA or NBA. Yeah, NBA. Pa.
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C
Right.
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A
Yep. And the players association will always do whatever's in the best interest of its.
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B
Of the actual.
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C
Oh, no. A lot of players associations don't do. It's in the best interest for themselves. They usually just give in for some stupid thing.
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A
Oh. Players association leadership sometimes will act selfishly, especially with an expense card. You know, I've heard from time to time.
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C
Or with an assistant.
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A
Yeah. One last one here, John. With the tournament near which school has the best football hoops head coach combo, this is actually going to be a written feature on CBSSports.com on Monday. So let's we get first word.
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D
This.
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A
Oh, man.
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C
I saw this. Is this just. Just to know how my mind works. I saw a top 10 football coach combo list on Twitter from like one of those engagement accounts. Like before the football season began and Indiana was on there with Kurt Signetti and Darian Devries. And now I'm not gonna knock. I mean, obviously Kurt Signetti is one of the best coaches in college football, but Darien Devries. Buddy, you guys. Guys can't even get to the tournament. You didn't have Illinois on your list, but you had Darien to freeze anyways. Sorry, that's just.
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D
I mean, for four months. It's early. But everybody does love the John Sumrall higher at Florida.
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A
Todd Golden. John Summerall.
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B
Yeah.
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D
It's pretty strong combo, but we don't know yet. Like, but I mean, I think everybody loves the Florida hire.
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B
Is Bama basketball still good?
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Caleb's pretty coach.
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A
I agree. I think Kaylin DeBoer. Ooh, reckless. Let's see if I can wander into this one and mess it up. I think Kalyn DeBoer and Nate Oates might occupy the same space in their respective coach rankings. They are well respected, but everyone's waiting for that last step. Nate Oates has made a final 4. Caleb DeBoers made a college football playoff. You know, you're just. You're waiting for that, that next step. There's been a consistent level of winning, but the hunger for, you know, can. Can you win the big one? Can you take that next step? Alabama might be a good one.
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D
What about Tom's Fighting Illini?
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C
They'd be in the top 10.
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D
Yeah, easy.
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C
My number one right now would be Michigan. Dusty, man. Kyle Whittingham, Dusty May.
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D
He was similar to the Florida
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B
fau. That's right.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Who's the FGCU guy went to usc.
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C
Andy Enfield. I learned that yesterday. I saw Andy Enfield on the sideline at SMU as they were losing and probably getting kicked out of the tournament because of it. And I thought Dunk City really carried that man this long as a college coach.
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B
And Michigan's gonna be. And Michigan's good, good in basketball this year.
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C
Okay.
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A
So, yeah, starting to follow it. Infield did have, like, two good years at USC in, like 12. Yeah, but that's sort of. He was. He was staying. Staying ahead of the line. You know, SMU just keep restarting that clock. Infield's good at that. I mean, you seem. He's got good vision. Who else?
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C
Tennessee in there. Josh Hyple and Rick Barnes still around.
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A
John Shire and Manny Diaz. Shire's doing a lot of work for that pair on their ratings, but Manny Diaz did win the acc.
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D
So Houston, Willie Fritz, Kelvin Sampson, pretty good combo.
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A
That's a really good combo.
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B
Laranega and. And it's Jay Lucas, but it still
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D
could be a good one.
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C
Hey, Lucas has been a very good first year.
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B
Okay?
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A
So it takes.
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C
What about Chip. What about Hubert Davis and Bill Belichick? Where do you have them ranked?
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A
I don't think in the top 10. I don't think just outside. Yeah.
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C
That's like seven Super Bowls between them. How many other schools can say that?
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A
Do you give Bill Belichick credit for the two Super Bowls he won as an assistant?
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D
No, I hate when they do that. We've been doing that with some college coaches. That drives me nuts.
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A
It drives me.
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D
You got to be the head guy.
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B
You gotta mean like the guy you co host a radio show with gives Venables.
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D
No, he doesn't necessarily. Don't do that. He doesn't do that. If he did, I would call him out for it. But we heard that with Jimbo. Jimbo was getting credit for the LSU title with Nick. And I'm like, wait a second, you know, like that's not his, that's Nick's.
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A
Yeah. If we're gonna extend it to the women's game, the best combination is Kim Mulkey and Lane Kiffin. Yeah, I. I'm not saying best in terms of like most wins or coaching talent. I just think that's an incredible combination to be rolling out there. And I think LSU might be looking for a new men's basketball coach. We'll see.
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B
Oh, what's his name? Left and it's now somewhere else. The guy got spent. Spended. He had to go to like a lower level school for a little bit. I get some credit for knowing this.
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A
No, no, no. His replacement is about to be fired.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I don't know the replacement's name. I knew they had Will Wade.
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A
Will Wade is now at NC State.
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C
Chris Beard to lsu. If we. If history dictates. Oh,
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B
is A and M's coach good?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Bucky Chucky, up some threes and see if they go in.
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A
Yeah. I would say that of the mid major coaches who jumped up to the major round, I'd give him a better grade than Darien Devries at Indiana. But I don't know if I would rush him to the front of the line.
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B
I have a Texas A basketball take.
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C
Holy.
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B
That. The style they play is really more about taking advantage of bad teams, but it doesn't translate to the tournament when they play, when they run against teams that have good guards.
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A
Didn't I say that to you?
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B
No, my buddy said we were.
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A
That was like you. You watched like one Texas A M Florida game like after a softball.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Like, wow. You see the way these guys play?
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D
Yeah.
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A
Nuts.
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B
Yeah, they had like three points through like 18 minutes against Gators.
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A
I was like, okay, so Louisville has Jeff Brahm and Pat Kelsey. It's decent, you know, and then Kansas.
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D
Kansas a couple years ago would have been. Lance Leipold's kind of gotten a little bit, you know, cooled off a bit.
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C
But still, for Kansas's history, you gotta say he's doing a Pretty good job there.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Penn State still play basketball?
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C
Not really, no. I mean, they, they got, they send five guys out there to dribble the
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B
ball and just go in on like we talk about, like, you know, is there a team out there could drop a major sport? Like, they could just go all in on hockey.
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C
I don't think the Big Ten would allow them to do that.
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B
Yeah, but they've never been good at basketball in my lifetime. That's why they made like the sweet
- [60:45]
C
16 a couple years ago, didn't they? Really not Michael Shrewsbury got him. He had like the little run with that white kid who couldn't miss.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Who's writing this piece on cbs? I want to see this.
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A
Okay. It's coming on Monday. I don't know who it ended up getting assigned to, but I need three
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D
hours of radio to fill.
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B
So you want to advance?
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C
Yes.
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A
Yeah. Oh, man. All right, well, we will be back on Monday. Hey, maybe we'll, we'll talk about it. You know that. We'll point you to it, let you know what it ended up being in terms of those rankings. Monday, 11am Eastern Time. Because, oh, yeah, the brackets will be out. We'll have a Cover 3 bracket challenge to be able to point you, to get you to come sign up to compete against us. And just like we do every year, we're going to play out the bracket. But if their football teams were involved, who wins cover three, March Madness, college football style. Come and hang out Monday, 11am Eastern Time to find out. Maybe it'll be Michigan. And you can follow him on Twitter at time. For now, you can follow him@Blood Elliott3. You can follow him at Danny Canal. You can follow me at Chip Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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C
Thank you.
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B
See ya.
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A
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