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Danny Cannell
Welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the COVID 3 podcast.
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Chip Patterson
And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat, aka the COVID 3 tailgate, where they're nominating Danny Cannell for the Michigan head coaching position.
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Danny Cannell
Let's go.
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Tom Fornelli
Absolutely. Will you play G5 schools?
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Danny Cannell
Heck yeah. Three of them.
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Every single season. Give me those three dubs.
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Chip Patterson
G5 schools. Do you want to minute or out of the playoff? Danny Cannell wants him on the schedule for the, for the Michigan head coach. Yeah, we've got it today as we are coming to you, we are still unfolding according to our own John Talty. I, I think that Sharon Moore remains.
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He's not expected to be charged or arraigned today, but he is still in custody right now. The situation from where we discussed the initial news of his firing to everything that happened in the hours after went from like, oh my goodness to like, oh, no, sad and bad. Like this is, this is a wild story that is, is not a whole lot of fun to talk about, at least in terms of the details that got us there. But we do have a Michigan job that's open. We do have the program that needs to move forward and figure out how to handle this. We also have assistant coaching carousel moves of note. Some headlines, including a really disappointing development for the Indiana Hoosiers, the number one seed in the College Football Playoff. And as we promised, yes, we are going to take you inside the game for this year's edition of America's game. Army against Navy coming up on Saturday from Baltimore, a game that you can watch on CBS and stream on Paramount. Plus, that's not the only college football game Le Bonanza for the day ones out there. Boise State and Washington are playing in the LA bowl on Saturday. What?
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Tom Fornelli
It's the last one.
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Chip Patterson
The last.
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Tom Fornelli
You didn't see the big breaking news this morning.
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Chip Patterson
LA bowl is out.
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Tom Fornelli
It's the last LA Bowl.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, bowl season contraction might be something that might be a little bit of a trend to follow here in the next little bit.
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Tom Fornelli
Might be why it's on Saturday because They have no, maybe it's ending because they're like, well, we don't really need it. We got nowhere to put it.
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Chip Patterson
Maybe. I don't know. I can't. Can't speak to. Can't speak to the decision making there. But the Michigan job is open, so let's jump on the carousel.
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All right, Danny, we did you. You're holding it down. You know, you were tied up. So you've had a little bit of time to digest it. Which, which part of this story do you think is. Is still, like, standing? Is it still the shock? Right.
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Danny Cannell
Yes, I mean, it's all of it, you know, because as the timeline was unfolding, I was at my daughter's soccer game, right. And so I'm watching this unfold and the first thing is like, is this real? And then it was like, okay, it's confirmed. And then the details come out for cause and you're like, oh, okay, what, what's the cause? What they find? And in the back of my mind, I know there've been some stuff, but I was kind of like, do they have some dirt left over from the cheating scandal? Like, is that what this is from, you know, from the signals. And then all of a sudden you see that it's related to this inappropriate affair that he's had and the relationship with the executive assistant. And then just the timeline as it continued in real time. You're watching like a movie scene of him crashing out and imploding and his life is just. He's self destructing right in front of your eyes. I mean, it's, it's sad, obviously, for his wife and his family. But then I was three.
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Chip Patterson
Three kids and a newborn.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah. And so, like, I'm concerned for his family and how devastated they are now that their dad is going through it. And then I was worried about Trom Moore. Is he going to kill himself as he's holding a, you know, knife to his throat. And some of the details, it was just surreal to watch all this unfold. So that was kind of. My initial reaction was like, I can't believe this is happening. And then, you know, when everything starts to calm down and he's in custody and you're like, okay, he's going to be okay. And now he's got to pick up the pieces from the destruction that he's left behind. Obviously, like you guys talked about, it's what the heck does Michigan do now? And how, how devastating is this to the program? But I feel like this could be a good thing for Michigan. Like I view this as an opportunity for them to really start a new era. Right. Because we're still in the Jim Harbaugh aftermath. It was his hand selected guy and that was one of the reasons I didn't like the Jesse mentor, you know, suggestion as him possibly. Who knows, maybe Ward Manual says, we want to keep this thing rolling. I don't know why you would. I think you would want to just start from scratch, bring somebody in with no ties to Jim Harbaugh. I know you want a Michigan man, see if that's possible, but I just thought that this was an opportunity for them to potentially get a better coach, too. Get somebody, start fresh, put all of this era in the rear view, celebrate your national championship and say, all right, we're on to the next. How are we going to do it?
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Tom Fornelli
I mean, yeah, as for the Michigan side of it, like, I, I did talk to somebody last night. It was brought to me after our, after we did the emergency reaction. Like, there's no guarantee that Ward Manual is going to be making the next hire. And like, when it comes to trying to figure out who wants the job and who's available for the job, I think that that is part of the equation because there's still some uncertainty about what the process is going to look like. Because in Ward Manual has been in charge at Michigan for the Connor Stallions thing. Now he's been in charge of Michigan for the Sharon Moore thing. And it's just you on Howard ended poorly. Juwan Howard ended poorly. So it's. There's been a lot that's happened in that athletic department under his watch. And you wonder if there. I do think there is.
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Value to kind of wiping the board clean and starting over and just bringing in new people. Not. And I'm not saying people who have no ties to the school, but maybe people who don't have any ties to the last five, six years of what's been going on in that athletic department. So I don't know if this is going to be a quick process where Michigan's going to have a new coach within a couple of weeks.
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Chip Patterson
Here I was starting to, especially as it was getting messy. And you know, there's a hockey scandal, too, that Michigan fans are quick to point to. And I think that what will be my. My read on the situation. I'm always trying to be careful about my words. Now, my read on the situation is that at a minimum, Ward Manual will have to answer to the board of regents and to the university administrators on. In sort of a big picture level that he's going to get called to task that through the process. Who knew what when. Right. Which to your point, Tom, about whether this is going to be fast or not, the who knew what when about the inappropriate relationship and is going to be something that's going to require a lot of digging and probably some hearings and might not be all that quick moving. But I'm with you. It's been for those people that are close to Michigan, the fact that they've gone so quickly to the ad as well as being another factor of this might change the. The timeline calculus. It even got me wondering, is there a chance. I mean, no way is there a chance that Biff gets a one year.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, if it's desperate, which it does. Have you guys heard all the stuff like, ooh, maybe they could get Matt Campbell still. Maybe they could pet buy out Eli Drinkwitz still, like, you know, Jed Fish. There are some good options. And because they didn't have to pay a huge buyout for Sharon Moore, maybe they take that money and they apply it to a buyout. I. I think there's zero chance Matt Campbell can. And knowing the type of person he is, I don't think he can be up there crying, you know, emotionally talking about what Penn State's job means to him and leave. And I know we've seen other coaches. I mean, manad is the best example, but that was Temple and that, you know, that just. That's not this. I don't think Matt Campbell would do that to Penn State. Who knows? I mean, maybe I'd be wrong. G. Eli Drinkwitz, I think, would be another scenario. You know, I know he's, you know, he's probably said a lot of good things about Missouri, but I don't think even Missouri fans would be that upset. They'd be like, oh, it's Michigan. Like, you kind of get it. So I do. But if all those guys say no, there's too much going on there, then maybe Biff Poach does come into play. It's like you could hold it down for a year again, but then you're kind of just dragging it out.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, you're punting on the season.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
You know, I mean, and I don't think Michigan wants to do that.
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Danny Cannell
The timeline. If they knew what looks worse? The fact that they knew and covered it up and like, we're waiting or the fact that they covered it up because signing day was December 3rd and they were trying to wait for this to come out after.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, Tom. Tom posed the darkest Most cynical question on the instant reaction pod. If Michigan beats Ohio State, do we find out about it?
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Danny Cannell
Oh, I think if they're. I. I don't think you find out. I think if you're 12 0, you know, if it's. If your season's great, you're on the cuz.
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Chip Patterson
But if you're 10 and 2 and you just playoffs for the fifth time and you're in the College Football Playoff, then.
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Danny Cannell
No, I mean, that's. I asked the, you know, I put out a tweet and it was like, this has been an embarrassing run for Michigan. Was it worth it? And I asked that question kind of just to put things into contest context, but I think most fan bases, like, we got a national title. Yeah, we'll take whatever fallout there is. That's just the reality of how bad fans want to win.
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Chip Patterson
I.
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Danny Cannell
And I don't think Florida State is above that. Like, I was like, well, you guys were not exactly choir boys.
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Chip Patterson
You're right.
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Danny Cannell
Like, there's. I'm. I'm just saying, like, that's kind of how crazy we all are, not just Michigan. We all kind of lose perspective of what really matters when we're chasing national championships.
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Chip Patterson
The author, John U. Bacon, reported on Twitter that. And just as. Just sort of just sharing the things, as I see it, that the University of Michigan conducted an internal investigation in interviewing both Moore and the employee this summer, and that this summer both Moore and the employee were like, nope, no way, no how. There's nothing going on here. And that the employee only recently, possibly yesterday, changed and provided the evidence necessary for Michigan to make a move immediately to terminate more. There's a lot of other sort of, like, rumor, hearsay. The burners are going crazy out there in terms of, like, what led to that and all of the extra pieces. But, buddy, that's, That's. That. That's what leads to a lot of like, okay, so how hard did you look? How hard did you want to look? You know, that's. That's. That's tough. That's good. That's gonna be a lot for Michigan to be able to untangle. Okay. For the slightly more fun or, I guess, less dark side of this, Danny, who gets Michigan? Let's go. Let's play the game.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, the. What is it? The LA Bowl, Saturday night kind of comes that much, becomes that much bigger, potentially an opportunity for Jed Fish. I mean, it's. It's so funny how we do this because Kaylin Deborah has made it clear, and yet everybody's like, oh, Kaylin Deborah's got to be the guy. It's just we all kind of group think and we do this, and then it's because Jed Fish was a quarterback coach there 10 years ago for two years. It's like, oh, he makes sense. I, I, I would call them all. Like, I'm calling on, I think at smu, you're, you're, you're Michigan. I'm calling them all. I mean, if I had my pick. I love Rhett Lashley, but I'm, I love the fact that he stayed at smu, you know, and it's one thing, you know, to pass on Auburn or Arkansas or some of those jobs that are a little bit questionable. It's another thing, you know, to turn down Michigan. I do think it's one of the best jobs out there. And, but there's also something about, I mean, he did say his family's happy. It is a cultural difference, you know, being at SMU and being at Michigan.
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Chip Patterson
Oh.
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Danny Cannell
So, I mean, I would call Rhett Lashley, I would call Jeff Braum, I would call Clark Lee and Brent Key. I'd call all the usual suspects and kind of see what they were, kind of kick the tires and find out what the cost is and go from there.
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Tom Fornelli
Do you guys have some Ryan Day just to see how he's doing?
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Chip Patterson
Check in on him?
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Tom Fornelli
Check in on him?
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No, I mean, like I was mentioning earlier, like, I'm, I'm trying to figure that out myself. Just talking to people to see what names they think are going to come up. And that's the one thing that came back to me was a lot of the possible candidates aren't exactly racing to the job because they don't know what the situation is.
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So I don't know. I do think that the candidates are the ones we've discussed. They're all the usual candidates. It's just, I don't know how quickly this is going to happen, especially because of the calendar situation, but also because of the uncertainty surrounding that entire athletic department right now.
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Chip Patterson
The.
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The intrigue is on once again. We have for the second straight, for the second straight Alabama football game, a fan base sitting around hoping that Alabama loses for the potential availability.
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I will say.
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Caleb DeBoer does look like a Michigan coach.
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He's an academy. He's a smart, you know, he's like, he's a thoughtful guy. He's a, he looks like somebody who would fit in well with, you know, Michigan men and women. Is that, am I off on that one?
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Tom Fornelli
Sure. He looks like, he drives a Ford. I don't. I don't. I don't know. What. What does a Michigan guy look like?
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Chip Patterson
You know, like someone white bread.
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Danny Cannell
Like, just typical.
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Tom Fornelli
Boring.
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Chip Patterson
No, no, no, no. But, like, you know, Michigan's a little hoity toity. And not that he, you know, he's from, you know, he's got like the South Dakota. You know, he's. He's sort of. It's not hoity toity, but he's, you know, he's a thoughtful. He's a teacher, he's an academic. How about that? Kaylin DeBoer gives big academic vibes.
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Tom Fornelli
Does he? Yeah. Like, are we. Should we start calling him the rocket scientist? Caitlin DeBore.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, maybe I do think.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, he would be pro. He'd be the first guy I would call. So it does make sense.
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And then you gotta wait, see what happens in the playoffs. But I think it's the same line of thinking. You got beat bad in the SEC title if you got an early exit to Oklahoma, who's not very good on offense, and you lose that game. And who knows, maybe it is ugly. Maybe they lose by two touchdowns. Maybe you reevaluate things.
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Yep. Dave Doran would be. I would call him, but that is not going to win any press conference. I'm sorry. I don't know if Michigan fans would love that hire. I think it'd be a good hire, but somebody in the chat put that in there.
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Chip Patterson
Jason, if Dave Doran gets the Michigan job, that would be amazing.
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Danny Cannell
Do you think I saw this name. I don't think it's very realistic. But if you needed somebody quick in a pinch, Brian Kelly, and he feel kind of like a Michigan guy. I mean, talk about academic politician sitting up there.
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Tom Fornelli
I. I don't know. I. Chip brought that name up on last night's show and I dismissed it pretty quickly. I just. It doesn't strike me as something that's going to happen. Right. Just it's. I feel like, given the way things have gone down, you probably want to bring a friendlier face to be the face of your program right now than that one.
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Chip Patterson
Now, Brian Kelly did have Bryce Underwood's commitment.
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Tom Fornelli
Oh, he did?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
And that, to me, I mean, like, that's. We haven't even 17 minutes in this podcast. If we're going to talk about the football of it all, it's got to come down to what Bryce Underwood does. Like, that's the most important part of this, you hope true.
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Danny Cannell
Is it true that he scrubbed Michigan from his Instagram. Like any.
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Tom Fornelli
I don't know. I don't go looking into that. Hold on. Let's find out. Bryce Underwood, Instagram. This is live investigative journalism here on the COVID 3 podcast.
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Come on, load. No, it's still him in his Michigan uniform as his profile photo. And the top three photos that I'm saying that are all pinned are all him in Michigan. Everything is him in Michigan on his Instagram.
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Chip Patterson
Okay.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, like, he still has Michigan pictures. I just wondered if. I mean, it says 1 9. It says student athlete. And say Michigan.
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Tom Fornelli
Michigan. Before that, though.
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Danny Cannell
I don't know.
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Chip Patterson
All right. Hey, listen, this is capital J journalism from the COVID 3 podcast.
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Tom Fornelli
I'm gonna need a second source to confirm it before I can report it.
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So.
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Danny Cannell
I got a dm, though. I got a dm, though. Hey, handsome. Haven't seen you in a while.
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Tom Fornelli
Don't be reading my dms on air, danny.
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Danny Cannell
She looks too good to be true. Yeah, you know what?
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Chip Patterson
There might be something to that, Danny.
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Tom Fornelli
Why. Why is. Why is. Why is the AI in her name capitalized?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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What about. You know who I think if he wasn't such a disaster with Detroit, Matt Patricia.
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You know, here's somebody put in the chat. Matt Patricia. I think he'd be somebody who would make sense. But I do wonder, because it was so bad with the Lions, I think.
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Tom Fornelli
I'd rather just have Matt Patricia as my defensive coordinator. I don't know that he has any ability to run a college program because there are learned.
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Danny Cannell
He could have learned, could have come out.
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Tom Fornelli
But I don't know if Michigan wants somebody learning on the job. Like, we're in a very kind of critical time in this sport where a lot of things are going to be changing and already are changing, and you don't really want to risk getting into a hole. Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
What about Dave Clawson? He could step in right now.
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Tom Fornelli
He could.
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Certainly has the smaller private school kind of background that could help them at a big public school like Michigan that thinks it's a private school.
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Danny Cannell
Yep.
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Tom Fornelli
Boy, I bet they wish they were private school right now.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah.
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Danny Cannell
It's going to be interesting, though, all this, the timeline. What happens? Who do they go? And if they do pull away one of these coaches at one of these top jobs, then we just go right back in.
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Spinning.
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Chip Patterson
This is. This is. This is, unfortunately, the part. Is Lane gonna go to Alabama? If Kaylin Deborah goes to Michigan, will Lane leave LSU for Alabama?
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Tom Fornelli
Don't. Don't be an idiot, Chip.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, really? You want to see? Why do you Want to see Kaylin.
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Tom Fornelli
DeBoer leaves for the Michigan job. Sarkeesian leaves Texas for Alabama.
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Danny Cannell
Oh, of course.
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Tom Fornelli
And then it's Lane versus Sark at LSU in Alabama.
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Danny Cannell
How do we know Sark doesn't go to Michigan?
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Tom Fornelli
Sark wants Bama. Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
See, Lane and Sark both want Bama.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah. No, I think Lane's happy at lsu. I think that was his dream job.
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No, Lane doesn't strike me as the kind who would cast a leering eye elsewhere. Okay.
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Chip Patterson
Okay.
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Anything else on the. The potential dominoes there I was. I'm throwing out Danny. I know that it's going to be a sort of popular topic. I'm throwing out Lincoln Riley. I don't think he's going to leave usc, where USC is at right now to take Michigan. I'm throwing out Marcus Freeman. I don't think Marcus Freeman's leaving Notre Dame for Michigan.
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Danny Cannell
He might be leaving for the Giants. Yeah, Titans. But I don't think he's leaving Notre Dame for a college job.
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Chip Patterson
And J. Jonathan Jones did say yesterday his understanding is the Titans are looking for NFL head coaching experience.
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Said it's too early in the Giants process to have a good read on where they want to go, but that the Titans are not going to be looking to give a college coach the first crack at it. So strike that one off the list.
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Danny Cannell
But the Titans can't get anything right. I mean, they're just. Who cares? Get the best coach. That's just my opinion.
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Chip Patterson
Titans can't get anything right. Tough scene.
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Another little wrinkle here from the assistant coaching carousel is that Jay Bateman is going to be hired as the new defensive coordinator at Kentucky.
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Tom Fornelli
Elkos got to replace both coordinators.
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Chip Patterson
That's what I'm saying. So now Oregon and Texas A and M, half the field, dude, half the.
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Danny Cannell
Field is impacted and maybe more than half the legitimate field.
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Chip Patterson
So Brian Hartline, let's start. So Indiana is a no.
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Danny Cannell
Can I tell you guys a story real quick?
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Tom Fornelli
Of course.
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Danny Cannell
So we had. We had Brian Hartline on the radio show yesterday. And so we had. Had Alex Golish on a lot during the season. And they have a great Sid. He's been great to us. And so he, He. They use zoom. So when Brian Hartline popped on the zoom, we honestly didn't know where he was going to be or what was going to be going on. So he's sitting there and he's in the South Florida office. And you remember the question I had for Alex Golesch about the FE sign behind him? It was F and elite. Well, it's there at the same desk now. Everything was cleaned out. Goalish stuff was gone. But it was so weird to have just talked to a coach two weeks before, sitting in the same chair in the same office, same desk, and it's heartline. And so we were asking him. It was a great interview. He spent, like, 20 minutes with us, but he was. You know, he was talking about doing double duty and how the buy actually really helped because it gave him an extra week to get started on usf, on evaluating his players. He. Because I almost had to do a double take because he go. He's like, we're trying to get a 10th win. You know, we got to go get that 10th win. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's talking about South Florida. We now. Yeah. I'm like, okay. And then I was like, well, what about that second title? He's like, yeah. He's like, well, I'm gonna get to that next. And it was just kind of wild to see it all unfold and the optics of him at South Florida in their office calling players. And he said he's been able to stay in a lot of Ohio State meetings remotely, you know, via Zoom while he's gone. It's just. And he was awesome. I think he's going to do really well, but it was just very, very interesting to see it unfold. And he addressed the calendar. I was like, yes, we need to. He's like. He's like, I understand this is weird. You know, like, what we were doing, and he had the same thoughts as almost everybody has, is, we need to fix it. But it was so unique to just experience that in real time and watch him. Like, he was waiting on the Zoom while we were going, and he was on a phone. I'm like, I wonder if he's texting Ryan Day about a game plan or if he's texting players about staying at usf. And I don't know the answer.
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Chip Patterson
It's probably the future. You know, I, like, didn't Dan. Didn't Dan Lanning talk to you about how this was just, like, a good hard reset for the whole program?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
Like, it's just like, okay. I mean, he said, attack the classroom, but, like, you know, this is a time where everyone can kind of be going and taking care of your business, and then we'll bring everyone back together and sort of go full speed ahead. I think that this is a time when Heartline can probably get his hands and let go of the Ohio State wheel A little bit without impacting the Buckeyes bottom line I guess as they say too much any other I think.
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Danny Cannell
He'S a unique one similar to the similar to the Tosh Lupoi like you feel pretty good about Ryan Day running the offense without Brian Hartline. Same thing with the defense at Oregon. Not necessarily the case with some of the like Dan Lanning hands the offense to Will Stein. What does that look like I think that's different impact same thing with Colin Klein at Texas A M now I can't like there's some you just gets.
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Chip Patterson
Even more complicated Bateman Elko you do have a little bit of the like you don't. Don't you give the same sort of.
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Danny Cannell
Smart yeah 100 where it's like yeah didn't Elko did he take over defensive play calling this year I thought before the season he did.
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Tom Fornelli
He might have. I do not remember.
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Chip Patterson
I don't remember.
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Tom Fornelli
That's the thing too like when it comes to Elko I'm not really concerned about the defense.
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Chip Patterson
I think Colin Klein's the bigger tailgate saying yes. Elko called the the defense.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
Obviously did a very good job. You know.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah. So Red Venables as well. I mean it's just same you know some of these coaches have done a pretty good job of it. Did you see the other coaching carousel? I don't know if you were going to get to this or not. A couple now there's see what's that.
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Tom Fornelli
The gtoc the reported the interview.
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Danny Cannell
Yep. Yeah that was interesting. Chip Kelly interviewing with the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets.
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Chip Patterson
Let's go. Oh man.
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Danny Cannell
Do you know how much he made for the Raiders?
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Tom Fornelli
A lot.
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Chip Patterson
Five million.
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Danny Cannell
Six.
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Chip Patterson
Six.
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Danny Cannell
Three years. Six million a year. And I think he was supposed to be like the successor to Pete Carroll. Eleven games later he's done.
- [26:44]
The other one too that I saw was Jim Knowles to Tennessee is been rumored out there that that could happen that and again it's crazy the the arc of college football because last year that was such big news and that was going to help Penn State take it home. That was going to be the difference taking him away from Ohio State and now it looks like Josh Hypo is going to bring him home Tennessee now.
- [27:09]
Tom Fornelli
Well Jim's defense I don't think it was the defense that let Pence.
- [27:14]
Chip Patterson
I agree. I agree.
- [27:16]
Danny Cannell
Yep.
- [27:18]
Tom Fornelli
All right.
- [27:18]
Chip Patterson
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- [30:08]
Danny Cannell
What's good y'?
- [30:08]
Tom Fornelli
All?
- [30:08]
Danny Cannell
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- [30:40]
Chip Patterson
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. It is time for America's game. So I ask you gentlemen, are y' all ready?
- [30:50]
Danny Cannell
Lock it up yo.
- [30:53]
Tom Fornelli
Since 2005, the under in games between service categories is 49 and 1.
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Danny Cannell
Give me an over on this one as well. A little two for one special.
- [31:05]
Chip Patterson
Don't get these locks. I was a sicko last week.
- [31:07]
Danny Cannell
Y' all were watching the good games.
- [31:08]
Tom Fornelli
I was live betting the hell out of Ulm Kentucky.
- [31:11]
Danny Cannell
My blue plate special.
- [31:12]
Chip Patterson
Five star locks are coming. Five star master lock. Lock it. I love these locks. I'm.
- [31:19]
Danny Cannell
I'm living and dying Every every point, every couple.
- [31:24]
Chip Patterson
From the locking chair to your eyes and ears. A reminder that locks are sponsored all season long by Cash App. Making money moves should be easy. And that's why there's Cash App. It's fast, safe and honestly way more personalized than the other apps out there. Our thanks to Cash App for their sponsorship of our season long competition and the Cash App trophy which will be awarded deeper in the postseason. Last year last week Bud finished three and three in championship week he is 80 and 72 overall. I was also three and three. That has me at 84 and 72 overall. Four in one week for Danny Canel. That has him up to 69, 72 and then a four and six week for Tom. The 67 and 69. So.
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Do you want to update the since 2005 for us Tom or do you just want to go ahead and and fire on this one?
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Tom Fornelli
Since 2005 when service academies play, the under is 48, 13 and 1. So in the lock spot intro it was 49 1. So it is 840 since then. So it's still hitting at a pretty good rate although 67% of the time is not where it is overall. So it is trending in the wrong direction. It is one in one this year. The total in this season's game between army and Navy is 4:38 and a half. And this is going to shock you both, huh? But I am taking the under.
- [33:04]
Chip Patterson
Danny, you want to fight it?
- [33:06]
Danny Cannell
No, I'm on board. Let's go.
- [33:08]
Chip Patterson
Yes, let's go.
- [33:13]
Danny Cannell
I mean if you. And also by the way, I mean, what do I have a book around here?
- [33:19]
Tom Fornelli
This is.
- [33:20]
Chip Patterson
Oh, we gotta throw it.
- [33:21]
Danny Cannell
Throw out the record books in this game as well because it is a rivalry and I have seen this game in person too many times. When one of them's having a great year, one of them's having an awful year. And all of a sudden you look up and it's the fourth quarter and it's nine to seven and you're like, oh my gosh, what's gonna happen? And one of them's driving for a game winning field goal. They just brings out the best in each other. They're familiar with their schemes. They know how to stop it better than most. And it's usually that defensive dominated affair. So I'm on the under.
- [33:55]
Chip Patterson
Are you, are you thinking about army plus the six and a half?
- [34:00]
Danny Cannell
Yeah, thinking about it.
- [34:04]
Chip Patterson
No, no, no, I'm not going to throw it here. I'm going to say that like obviously has been moving in Navy's direction. If it hits 7, which I don't know if it will game this low. Yeah, Tom, I'm kind of like with you on that one.
- [34:19]
I'm actually going to be locking up the first half under nineteen and a half.
- [34:23]
Danny Cannell
Oh, that's good.
- [34:25]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Hey, do you know what that's called? Overtime insurance.
- [34:31]
Danny Cannell
Yeah, totally.
- [34:32]
Chip Patterson
We have definitely seen this thing come down to some ots before. You know, maybe you do pick up the pace a little bit if you're the team that's trailing and you're getting a little frantic late in the game. So. Yeah, my, my official pick on this one's going to be the first half under nineteen and a half Is, is.
- [34:50]
Tom Fornelli
Bud dodging the show today? Just hoping that Chip puts up a bunch of locks and loses them. And then Bud catches him. Bud trying to catch you from the sideline right now.
- [35:00]
Chip Patterson
I, I think it's, I think he thinks that this is a, this game is a safety issue.
- [35:06]
Tom Fornelli
They're gonna be. It's a lot of bodies colliding against guys who aren't, you know, four and five star players. I don't know if they can withstand the punishment for 60 minutes. This is, these are literally armies and navies going at each other.
- [35:18]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I mean this is.
- [35:20]
Tom Fornelli
War can get Run over by a battleship. I don't know if, I mean an Alabama player could survive that. I don't know if an army player can.
- [35:27]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I guess he's just, I guess he's just sitting, sitting this one out from the sideline. In terms of why Navy is the favorite here, obviously they were a contender in the American Athletic Conference. They had some like along the way they were building up their wins kind of by getting the favorable draw. But then they just like they came out and they beat USF and Memphis in back to back games. So really, really strong finish for the mids. Do you, do you agree with them as the, the favorite going into this game? Obviously Blake, Blake Horvath, a huge part of everything that they do. What are some of the been some of the keys to Navy's success here?
- [36:07]
Tom Fornelli
I mean for me you look at this team, I mean these are service academies. But do you know who the number one offense in the country is when it comes to explosive play rate as far as passes?
- [36:20]
Chip Patterson
No way.
- [36:21]
Tom Fornelli
Actually, sorry. They're third. Navy is third. Okay. Pass rate. You're also third in EPA per drop back. Like these teams don't do it very often but Navy when they do has been so efficient with its passing game and hitting big plays on you. Like go back to the first game against Air Force. I think Eli Heidenreich had what 200 something yards receiving in that game. So I, I think that when you look at army in this matchup, army has big plays in the passing game and they've hit some. They just don't hit him at the same rate the Navy does. And I think that has really been kind of the difference maker for Navy this year against other teams where you know, you have to load up to stop the run because that is still what they're going to do 70% of the time. But when they aren't, they are setting you up very well and they are timing it very well and they are hitting huge chunk plays a lot of the time for touchdowns and that makes them difficult to defend. And I think Army, I don't think that they can keep up with them in that manner. So if you're army in this game, you really need to dominate the clock. Like you're, you're trying to put together 15 play drives because you do not want to be dealing with the Navy offense.
- [37:31]
Danny Cannell
I do think Navy's done a better job of evolving as an offense, working in more and maybe it's because of personnel because Blake Korvath is a pretty good thrower of the football. And you're not going to confuse Navy with some, you know, spread them out wide and just air it out. It's not the air rate, clearly, but I do think they've wrinkled in some concepts and army has been a little bit more traditional. And I think it's been more evident than ever what Bryson Daly meant to that program for the last couple years. You know, without him, it's been a little bit of a, you know, they've seen some. A step back offensively. All right, so either you guys taking.
- [38:06]
Tom Fornelli
Aside, if I'm going to bet army, like in a game like this, in a low possession spot like this, where the spread is six and a half, I would rather just have the money line because typically isn't the kind of game that's going to come down to a field goal. Like it's usually like. You look at the final scores of these games, they're not usually 24, 21, they're usually 28, 21, 21, 14, 2013, you know, like teams trading touchdowns. So I would just rather have army outright than the spread.
- [38:36]
Chip Patterson
I had 14, 13 or something along that as a potential. I could see it. I could see there being an army covers but does not win outright. But I like your first from a value perspective, I like your play right there. What about you, Danny?
- [38:54]
Danny Cannell
I kind of agree with Tom. I was thinking about taking Army. Just the way this game usually unfolds, if it is lower scoring, it's going to be tight. But I do think from a value standpoint, it makes a great point about if you like Army. You know what, though? Give me Army. Give me army plus six and a half. I gotta take you guys back.
- [39:12]
And I got conservative. Oh, that is nice.
- [39:15]
Chip Patterson
Sweet.
- [39:17]
Danny Cannell
If, if I'm gonna catch you guys, I should have sprayed the board last week when I got hot.
- [39:24]
Catch you guys this week.
- [39:25]
Chip Patterson
For the, for the purposes of the history book, this, this chips win. But now the Cash App trophy. It's like the NBA cup now the cash App trophy is on the list, right? So we're, you know, we'll. We'll see. We'll see who ends up claiming the Cash App trophy. As the competition continues for army.
- [39:42]
They had not played great, you know, beat Temple by a point, lost to Tulsa by a point. But they finished the season by doing the unthinkable winning in the Alamo Dome. You know, the things that you have to overcome, it's just remarkable. Proud of the United States Military Academy football program for their ability to get in and out of the Alamo Dome with a victory that was probably their best performance since a close loss to Tulane midseason. So it was good for them to get back on the right foot. Kind of looked like they were skidding a little bit. And certainly that's plenty of time off from that finale on November 28th to, to get ready for this weekend's showdown against Navy.
- [40:25]
Danny Cannell
I mean, they beat Kansas State, which was one of the shocks of the season. They only lost by one possession in overtime to North Texas. And we're seeing how good North Texas has been. Then there was a couple, you know, the East Carolina loss is kind of all right, you know, but they've been competitive in almost every game.
- [40:45]
Chip Patterson
I think it's going to be a fun game. Very excited again. It's a game that you can check out on cbs. You can stream it on Paramount. Plus, coming up this Saturday, it is Army Navy. It is a tradition unlike any other. We've got Danny and Tom riding in Lockstein. Step on the under 38 and a half. Danny tacking along a little army plus six and a half. And I've got the Army Navy first half under. And that was the locks. Sponsored by Cash App. As you heard me say at the top of the show, new Cash app users can use our code and get free money. Use our code, cover three, send $5 to a friend within 14 days and you'll get $10 right in your account. So thank you to Cash App. Coming up on the other side, Bol Nanza takes a look at what we're watching for in Boise State. Washington. More college football headlines and more nukes.
- [41:47]
What?
- [41:48]
Tom Fornelli
Oh, just a question Danny asked in the chat. I don't know if you've read the chat in the last couple minutes.
- [41:55]
The private chat.
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Chip Patterson
And now. And now it's time for Moneyline Sprinkles brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game.
- [42:10]
Throw me down for Army. Okay, anybody else? Anybody else got sprinkles for this week?
- [42:18]
Tom Fornelli
I am also on army plus 168. All right. And I am not taking Boise State.
- [42:28]
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [42:29]
Danny Cannell
I was gonna say, can we pick that game still?
- [42:31]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [42:33]
Chip Patterson
We said, we said that bowl games that are non playoff are not locks.
- [42:37]
Danny Cannell
No.
- [42:37]
Tom Fornelli
But we could be do sprinkles with them.
- [42:39]
Chip Patterson
Okay. We could do sprinkles.
- [42:41]
Danny Cannell
Oh, yeah. Then I want Boise too. Because you know what's gonna happen? The group of five crowd. I mean, this is just inevitable that Boise is going to beat Washington and be like, somehow they made it through unscathed. And not only did it not get hurt, they won the game. See, they belong. This is. You can just see it coming from a mile away. I do. If I was, I would love Boise State with the nine and a half. But since for sprinkle purposes, I'll take them. But you know that's coming.
- [43:10]
Chip Patterson
So is Tulane going to beat Ole Miss? Is that going to be that. That would be the, that would be. Would be the true twist of the knife. If John Summerall does it to Bud.
- [43:18]
Danny Cannell
Oh my gosh, that would be his boy.
- [43:22]
Tom Fornelli
He's turned on Troy boy.
- [43:26]
Danny Cannell
I have more of a feeling in those games they'll be close early and the group of five crowd be like, see? And then they'll pull away late. It's more mileage.
- [43:34]
Chip Patterson
I could definitely see that. So Tom, Danny and Chip all jumping on a little army. For those who are wondering about sprinkles, last week, Chip got Indiana home. Bud.
- [43:47]
Did not hit on Miami, Ohio or Yale, Indiana and Duke. For Danny Canal. And then for Tom, we.
- [43:57]
So I mean, Danny, you, you keep.
- [44:00]
Danny Cannell
Showing up chasing Bud. If I get this win, you keep showing up.
- [44:03]
Chip Patterson
Bud keeps skipping shows. You just get here and chase it. Track him down.
- [44:08]
Danny Cannell
I can't believe Bud misses shows. What a jerk. Who would miss shows.
- [44:13]
Chip Patterson
So again, army and Boise for Danny, army for me and Tom as well. And those were the moneyline sprinkles brought to you by FanDuel. Play your game.
- [44:29]
I do like the idea that Boise State just got Maddox Madsen back. He was playing with a little bit of fire in that Mountain west title game. They jumped out to a really big lead early. And so for Washington, I mean, they had some guys that were a little bit banged up. I am not anticipating non injury related opt outs. Now, again, Jonah Coleman played hurt for the last couple weeks of the season. That's just my eye. Plus also the injury report. I don't know if he's going to end up going. I think Demond Williams is going to play. That's sort of what things are pointing to as well. Denzel Boston banged up at times as well. That's. That's your big three. For Washington's offense, that's huge. But also, I mean, Taco Davis playing in this game, what's the secondary look like? All of those availability questions I think are huge in terms of Boise State's ability to go and win this game. Because if Washington shows up and decides that they want to make this their big playoff game, then yeah, they should be able to win this. But I think there's enough. Enough player availability questions or, you know, curiosities to definitely entertain the idea that a Boise State team coming off a Mountain west title with their starting quarterback back could come in to be playing with their hair on fire and. And. And maybe pitch. Maybe throw a little upset wrinkle into the start of the bowl season.
- [45:55]
Danny Cannell
I mean, if we just did the. Who wants it more? And that does include the group of five conversation, which has been very loud. I'm sure Spencer Danielson has mentioned that to his players. Not to mention last year's exit from their playoff loss and then probably getting dunked on after that. I would. I would expect this will be treated like a big game for Boise State. And I don't know if you'll get the same from Washington.
- [46:20]
Tom Fornelli
Yep. Is this like a real house divided situation for Chris Peterson? Like, is he being torn apart at the seams for this game, just unsure of what to do?
- [46:30]
Chip Patterson
I mean, thank goodness he's got Bruce there to, like, keep him. Keep him contained. Yeah, that I did enjoy. I mean, I know that we're normally not offering commentary on, you know, other broadcasts and things like that, but we're college football fans. I enjoyed the Bruce felt. And this has been going, I think, for a couple seasons now. But the Bruce Feldman, Chris Peterson in studio pairing, fun.
- [46:54]
Danny Cannell
You know that's the FS1 studio crew, right?
- [46:57]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's a Fox studio crew. And the two of them, because they've known each other for a really long time. Right. So there's like, a lot of, like, trust and good chemistry there. Obviously a ton of knowledge from both of them. I always enjoyed, you know, when they. When they would run through the highlights or offer talking points. So it's a good squad. Our former colleague, and again, as Tom mentioned, the former Boise State and Washington head coach, Chris Peterson. Chris Peterson, Michigan coach.
- [47:27]
You want somebody who's available.
- [47:28]
Tom Fornelli
Look, check them out. Check in on him.
- [47:31]
Chip Patterson
Gotta check in on him.
- [47:33]
Danny Cannell
Christian rumblings. Wasn't he ucla? I mean, I don't know if it's just thrown out there.
- [47:37]
Tom Fornelli
There's always rumblings.
- [47:38]
Danny Cannell
Yeah, I thought he's made it pretty clear, like, he's good.
- [47:44]
I mean, I think he wants to jump back.
- [47:46]
Tom Fornelli
A lot less stressful to just talk about it and watch it than it is. Right.
- [47:49]
Danny Cannell
A lot less money, too, but I don't think he needs money. I think he's happy and, you know.
- [47:53]
Chip Patterson
But again, he's an academic type.
- [47:56]
Danny Cannell
Oh, yeah, he would be. I love how Chip sells them hard. It'd be a Great hire. I'd love it. It'd be. It'd be a great fit.
- [48:04]
Chip Patterson
Okay, let's see.
- [48:05]
Tom Fornelli
The man has read a book. He's perfect for this job.
- [48:09]
Chip Patterson
Somebody once described that Chris Peterson really rather would have office hours, you know, that, like, he would rather teach the game of football and, like, be that kind. And he saw where football was going and he was like, okay, never mind, never mind. Like, I just, I'm not, Not interested in this. Because his retirement was surprising at the time. Of course, things went horribly wrong with Jimmy Lake. His successor, Kaylin DeBoer, takes over, gets to the national title game, and we're off and running with yet another coach, Jed Fish, who might be dealing with the distractions of the distractions at the weekend.
- [48:45]
Tom Fornelli
Do you think that, like, knowing that this is the final LA bowl makes it mean a little bit more to both of these teams to know that we have a chance to be the final LA bowl champion ever?
- [48:57]
Danny Cannell
And it's illustrious history.
- [48:58]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, the stakes have been raised.
- [49:01]
Danny Cannell
Was this Gron's Bowl?
- [49:03]
Tom Fornelli
It was, but it was simply too powerful for Gronk to hold on to for long.
- [49:09]
Chip Patterson
Rats. Rats. Oh, this is Boise State's second appearance, by the way.
- [49:17]
Danny Cannell
Who's bucked up?
- [49:18]
Tom Fornelli
They know the way to sofi. They know those streets.
- [49:21]
Danny Cannell
Who's bucked up?
- [49:26]
Chip Patterson
I. I was hoping that this was the one. Which, which bowl game was the. The sad field goal for Florida against Oregon State?
- [49:35]
Danny Cannell
That wasn't the, oh, Fiesta bowl, wasn't it?
- [49:39]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, that was like an actual. That was. It might have been the Alamo Bowl. Hold on, let's find out.
- [49:44]
Danny Cannell
I thought it was in Arizona for some reason, but the Fiesta bowl is a pretty big bowl.
- [49:49]
Chip Patterson
Vegas Bowl.
- [49:50]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it was Vegas.
- [49:51]
Danny Cannell
Vegas Bowl. That makes more sense.
- [49:56]
Tom Fornelli
That was.
- [49:58]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that, that was incredible.
- [50:01]
Tom Fornelli
Fun fact about the Vegas Bowl. In the last five meetings, the loser has been held to single digits three times. Arizona State got 13. And then last year, Texas A&M scored 31. So maybe Texas A and M put an end to that trend. Texas A and M scored more points in a loss last year than the four teams prior had combined.
- [50:17]
Chip Patterson
Well, that was usc, Texas A and M. Right?
- [50:20]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it was a fun game.
- [50:21]
Chip Patterson
I was gonna say both those teams wanted to play. I came out. I mean, nothing, nothing gets me going more than like, it's midway through the second quarter and you can just kind of tell, looking at both sidelines, looking at the velocity of the hits, how fast you're going. Danny's call from the field down at The Boca Raton Bowl. I mean, Danny's like, yo, the arm tackles out here are crazy.
- [50:46]
Danny Cannell
I gotta go watch Louisville this year. Louisville's in the Boca Rotombo.
- [50:50]
Chip Patterson
And listen, midway through the second quarter, you'll be able to look at those tackles and you'll be able to tell how dialed in you are. Yeah, I. I do enjoy about midway through the second quarter, you just look at the form of the tackles. You can tell how badly everybody wants to be there. Texas A M, usc. That game was fun. They both wanted to go out there and win. That was cool.
- [51:11]
Danny Cannell
Did you guys know what bucked up is? I thought it was looking at the logo. I thought maybe it was hunting gear. It is like, pre workout stuff. I got to get me some woke AF high stimulant. Pre workout.
- [51:25]
Tom Fornelli
Like you need any more woke.
- [51:26]
Chip Patterson
Oh, God.
- [51:32]
So is the deer. Because it's made of, like, deer urine.
- [51:36]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it's probably like deer antler stuff.
- [51:38]
Danny Cannell
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [51:43]
Just.
- [51:44]
Chip Patterson
I.
- [51:45]
Danny Cannell
Hey, I mean, this is why they name them, right? To get people to look them up. What the heck is bucked up now? I know.
- [51:50]
Tom Fornelli
Let's get bucked up.
- [51:52]
Chip Patterson
I. I have a feeling that if I took bucked up, it would buck up my heart. I think that that'd be about it for my ticket.
- [51:59]
Danny Cannell
You should. You seem more like a mother bucker guy.
- [52:04]
That is their pre workout as well.
- [52:15]
The creatine candy does look pretty good, though.
- [52:19]
Chip Patterson
Actually. New cover three segment. We're just taking all these bowl sponsors and we'll try them.
- [52:24]
Tom Fornelli
And to be clear, Chip, it's not for women. The women's line is called babe.
- [52:29]
Chip Patterson
Oh, okay. Oh, all right.
- [52:32]
Tom Fornelli
There you go.
- [52:35]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, you can check that out again. We've got the afternoon. We'll have America's game and then, then we will get that game in prime time. One little news item. I put it in the. Meant to hit it earlier, but, you know, we went long on the carousel. Significant injury news for the Indiana Hoosiers and wildly disappointing when you hear how it goes. So one of the best pass rushers that Indiana's had this season. And we've talked a lot about that defense, how they were able to apply all that pressure on Julian. Saying a big part of that was Stephen Daly, the defensive end. And Kurt Signetti said yesterday, on Wednesday that he suffered a, quote, serious injury and is, quote, probably done for the season. Transferred in from Kent State, has been absolutely phenomenal. Suffered a leg injury. Just running around the field.
- [53:25]
Tom Fornelli
High five. And fans.
- [53:27]
Danny Cannell
So we were there in Indy. We Were doing post game interviews. So we run on the field. Jenny was there with Will Middlebrook. So I was hanging out with Will and Will's like, yo. He's like, number eight is hurt. And I'm like, what? He's like, no, he's like, he got hurt. And I'm like, are you sure? And I didn't really think much of it. I was like, okay, whatever. He's probably fine. It's. That's how he got hurt. It's a celebration after the game. 100%. That's how it happened. There is that video when he's touching the fans. I couldn't tell if he was already limping, but you see that buckle when he comes down on like the first one. And it's just so.
- [54:05]
Chip Patterson
It's like the fans are leaning over and he's kind of high.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, he was jumping like on one leg and he just did that thing where sometimes you see a player go up for a layup and you just land awkwardly. Awfully. There's a lot, I mean, there's a lot that goes into winning a national championship. A lot of it is luck, injury luck, call luck. You know, what kind of officiating do you get? And unfortunately they're faced with some bad luck. I mean, he was leading soccer, you know, five and a half sacks on the year. Big transfer portal piece. Yeah, that stinks.
- [54:38]
Tom Fornelli
Big part of their pass rush.
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Chip Patterson
So not great.
- [54:44]
Listen, depth is going to be tested. They've been a team that again all season. We have given them credit for their performance on the field. Doesn't necessarily look like what you might expect when they get off the bus. Even against the very best teams in the country. They're going to need to. They're going to have. Need to have somebody step up because who they face in the next round is either going to be Alabama or Oklahoma. Another team that is big and strong at those lines of scrimmage and. And trying to be able to get a good pass rush going is obviously a huge part what defensive coordinator Brian Haynes has been able to orchestrate with this Hoosiers team.
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Danny Cannell
Did you see. Did you see the freeze out?
- [55:23]
Tom Fornelli
Yep.
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Danny Cannell
I thought it was something Hugh freeze related, but now Yahoo Is in on the on three trend to put up the big caps. Freeze out. So apparently Notre Dame's their little sweetheart deal with the MoU on the. Where you're ranked is not sitting well with a lot of athletic drivers as it wouldn't for me either. Saying, why the heck are they getting preferential treatment? And it's going to be interesting. The fallout from this, you know, people aquas, you know, tantrum. Yeah. Is. And now all of a sudden, like, maybe let that cat of the bag. Maybe you didn't want to.
- [56:01]
Chip Patterson
Do you think there is more than posturing here? Do you think we will see universities buy their way out of games?
- [56:10]
Tom Fornelli
I don't know if they will buy their way out of scheduled games, but they might change their philosophy about scheduling Notre Dame in the future. Now, the question there is, will that matter? Because by the time that impacts actual schedules, we're probably going to be at 16 teams minimum, and it might not really matter that much. But I mean, I do think that, like, if you're a Michigan, you're. You're a big school, all right. And you find out that Notre Dame has that kind of sweetheart deal.
- [56:37]
People are telling Notre Dame to join a conference. Maybe it's the other schools that you think about going independent. If you can get that kind. As long as we finish in the top 12, we're in.
- [56:49]
Chip Patterson
The College Football Playoff. Brought to you by Bush's Beans now on Feast Week Invitational.
- [56:55]
Tom Fornelli
Yes. No, it is, Chip. It is a tournament that is the best way to determine the best team in the country. And we go about it in a great way.
- [57:04]
Chip Patterson
I'm going to call it the players era.
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Tom Fornelli
To have it.
- [57:09]
Chip Patterson
Chip, do you.
- [57:15]
What can. I was going to say that I don't think threats about, well, we're not going to schedule you in the future. I don't think that that does anything that feels like posturing.
- [57:26]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, everything is posturing in this.
- [57:30]
But if I do think that there's some serious, like, yeah, teams will think twice about scheduling Notre Dame if they understand, like, they're direct, if they feel like they're a direct competitor. Like, I don't think Georgia Southern is going to sit there like, well, I'm not scheduled in Notre Dame. That's unfair. But if you're Texas, if you're Michigan, you're one of those schools who is fighting every year for one of those spots. And, you know, all Notre Dame has to do is finish in the top 12. Why are you trying to help make sure they finish in the top 12 by scheduling you.
- [57:58]
Chip Patterson
Oh, okay.
- [58:00]
Tom Fornelli
Because all of a sudden now you're a resume loss or a huge resume win.
- [58:05]
Danny Cannell
And then I think if you're Notre Dame, I don't know if you're that perturbed. I mean, I think you're like, fine, we won't play 10 power four teams and get left out with our two hard losses, we'll just run the table and go 120 and you'll most likely be in the top 12 still. And like, then what are you going to do?
- [58:23]
Chip Patterson
So this probably.
- [58:26]
This, this probably falls a little bit in line with just the overall advantages that Notre Dame has had where everybody else has a conference commissioner at the table and then it's just Notre Dame's athletic director. Like you just think about the power structure of all these athletic directors then have to funnel through to their commissioner to be able to get anything done for the College Football Playoff. Notre Dame's just been there and that if they agreed to, you know, memorandum of understanding that the Big Ten in the SEC are going to get the biggest payouts and that they're going to decide the future. I wonder if Notre Dame then got this sweetheart deal just because they were ceding some power to the Big Ten in the SEC just like everybody else was probably.
- [59:06]
Tom Fornelli
But they also got the sweetheart deal because they want him in the field.
- [59:09]
Danny Cannell
Right?
- [59:11]
Tom Fornelli
It's a television show.
- [59:17]
Chip Patterson
Fun stuff. Hey, listen, I would have been cool.
- [59:21]
Tom Fornelli
With the plus one, but the biggest problem is letting Tulane and James Madison be in it.
- [59:29]
Chip Patterson
I got.
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He tried to safety issue me on CBS Sports hq.
- [59:35]
Danny Cannell
Shut up. Yeah, come on.
- [59:38]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I'm not talking about the safety issue. I'm just talking about the general pushback on those teams being in it as if they're the problem behind the College Football Playoff right now.
- [59:47]
Chip Patterson
Noah asked me to fix the College Football Playoff. I had no idea if anybody else was going to be on the segment. I put together my pitch, I made my presentation, Bud was up there, said it was a safety issue.
- [60:01]
So sorry. I thought every conference champion should be able to get a crack at it. You know, I said, and I said in my explanation, I am not a television executive. And in, in my 16 team model, every team that made this year's field would have also made it because you've got six at largest. And honestly, if you're not a conference champion and you're not one of the six highest ranked non champions, you don't have a chance to win the championship.
- [60:26]
Danny Cannell
Do you, Tom? So your official stance, you're okay with a group of five guaranteed a spot every year in the 12th team?
- [60:35]
Tom Fornelli
I'm, I'm okay with anybody who follows the rules to get in and like I'm with.
- [60:39]
Danny Cannell
I know, but should we change the rules? No, I know.
- [60:42]
Tom Fornelli
I'm not offended by it. Like, oh my God, I might have to watch a blowout. Who cares? I've watched blowouts every single weekend. It happens every single week. So I mean I, I approach this from the standpoint of a. I would rather have every conference champ get an automatic bid and then have fewer at largest because that's actually playing your way into a playoff.
- [61:02]
Danny Cannell
I agree with that.
- [61:04]
Tom Fornelli
And also like we, we approached this 12 team thing and I, I've been saying the entire time when we were always discussing expansion of the playoff. Like I look at this field right now, there are only three teams in it, I think have a chance to win it. So why am I going to say JMU and Tulane can't play because they don't have a chance when I don't think Alabama has a chance? I don't think Ole Miss has a chance. I don't think most of these teams have a chance. Who are your three after the injury to daily it's Oregon, Ohio State and Georgia.
- [61:35]
Because I will also point like again, Indiana fans, you can take this however you want to take it. Indiana is a good enough team to beat Oregon. It's a good enough team to beat Ohio State. It played those games months apart. I don't know if Indiana is good enough to play three of those teams back to back and win all three.
- [61:50]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [61:50]
Tom Fornelli
I do think that is where like the blue chip ratio and the safety issues come into. Matt. No, but like, like, I do think that that is where that does matter because when you get to playing these elite teams filled with elite bodies, that grind will wear you down as it goes along and it's really difficult to do.
- [62:05]
Chip Patterson
I think Indiana could beat Texas Tech.
- [62:08]
Danny Cannell
Yeah, of course. I think Indiana.
- [62:09]
Tom Fornelli
I think Indiana can win one game. I picked them to go to the title game.
- [62:13]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [62:13]
Tom Fornelli
I just don't think they can win three straight.
- [62:15]
Chip Patterson
I think Indiana, even after the injury, is in a position where bracket luck could break for them based on matchups. But I've only got four teams. I'll keep Indiana in it, but I've got the same three. I think it's Indiana, Ohio State, Georgia or Oregon. I think that's your national champion. It's one of those four teams.
- [62:36]
Yep. All right. We will be back on Monday and we're going to do things a little bit different. Okay. We are going to get our big game breakdown and we're going to move it to Monday because we want to give you a full week to be able to dive in on the keys to the game and the matchups. Y yes. We are going to do a big game breakdown for Oregon. James Madison, a whole eight minutes on that game. Yes. Big game breakdowns for the College Football Playoff first round coming Monday, 11am Eastern Time. So make sure you come and hang out YouTube.com cover3 and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fornell. You can follow him at Danny Canel. Follow me at Chip Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
- [63:17]
Tom Fornelli
Thank you.
- [63:18]
Danny Cannell
See you. CBS Wednesdays I run to the chaos and Survivor is chaos.
- [63:24]
Chip Patterson
As a mother of a four year old, this is vacation this season. They're going back home.
- [63:30]
Danny Cannell
It's trial by the elements.
- [63:33]
Chip Patterson
Surprise. I'm on Survivor.
- [63:35]
Danny Cannell
That's how you do it.
- [63:37]
Chip Patterson
Survivor feels like a culmination of my entire life. Everything has led to this moment.
- [63:42]
Danny Cannell
Who will have what it takes? Survivor new CBS Wednesdays at 8, 7.
- [63:47]
Tom Fornelli
Central and streaming on Paramount.