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Chip Patterson
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Danny Cannell
Welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott.
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Chip Patterson
It's your call for the best college
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Danny Cannell
football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the COVID 3 podcast
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Tom Fernelli
and welcome back Cover 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that, subscribe Smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where Chris and Jay and Jerry and Wayne and more all have questions. Because yes, it is a Thursday. That is the day that we get interactive. We are going to be reaching into the big old bag of mail where if you've gone and left us a five star review and put a mailbag question in that review, well, yep, it gets added to a future mailbag episode and we are also going to hit Those Spotify comments with a little bit of trip down memory lane, gonna go ahead and plant this one so that the two of you can be thinking of it. And it is acknowledged, dk that it's a little bit different to say what was the favorite game you attended as a student? Since you, your time as a student was obviously suiting up for the Florida State Seminoles. Feel free to take that any way you want. You know, just a favorite game you watch the sideline, favorite game you watch with the ball in your hand. Any, anything there that'll all be coming up in the big old bag of mail. But we always like to open up especially here on a Thursday heading into the weekend, making sure that we've gotten our hands on all of the news of the week and we have not yet gotten an opportunity to chime in on something that is filled filling the COVID 3 tailgate right now. And that of course is the news about Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sorsby because according to multiple reports the NCAA is currently looking into allegations of gambling activity for Brendan Soursby. Now, NCAA rules strictly prohibit gambling on your own sport. And allegations for Brendan Sorsby include time at Indiana, where he was before Cincinnati, before Texas Tech, the allegations that he did in fact wager on games, games he did not play in. According to the reporting, it's wagering on your team to win, but that is strictly against the rules. So further reporting is indicated that maybe Cincinnati was even aware of this. It was brought to their attention and. And now we're left with one of the most high profile quarterbacks from the transfer portal on a the overwhelming Big 12 title favorite. This was the first piece of news. He entered himself into a rehab program to try to address gambling addiction. So we have the privilege, the joy and honor of being a gambling forward college football podcast that's going to sit here and break down all the different ways this story hits us in a lot of different ways. Tom, where do you want to start here? Because I got like three important questions. There's like how we got here, what it means, realistic expectations of what Texas Tech looks like in the fall, which has to include do you think Sorsby is going to play? What happens if he doesn't all those things and then, and then you know what, what to make of the reaction that we've got without the college throughout the college football world.
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Chip Patterson
Does he have an interpreter he can throw under the bus?
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Danny Cannell
That's a good one.
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Chip Patterson
Only, I mean it's the, the player is the surprise because he's a Big name player, he got the big deal in the transfer portal. But the fact that there is a college football player doing this is not a surprise at all. I mean, if you, like you mentioned it, like, if you look at our show, we are gambling focused during the season. We have a lockspot. A lot of sports programming these days has, you know, sportsbooks, advertising all over it.
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Tom Fernelli
Sure.
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Chip Patterson
Hell, you watch a game and every commercial break there's Kevin Hart or John Hammer, somebody telling you to use this sports book to bet on what you're watching. So sports betting has become a huge deal. And I mean, it's always existed, but now it's easier.
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Tom Fernelli
It's funding the industry at this point. Like the backbone of the sports media industry are massive contracts with sports gambling companies.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah. So there's easier access to it than ever before. It's literally right there on your phone. You don't have to do a whole lot. You just pick it up, bang, bang, bang, that's in. So it's only logical that at some point an athlete who is not supposed to be gambling on the sports are gonna be caught gambling on the sports or they're gonna become addicted to it. And it's gonna be interesting to see the impact that it has long term. So, I mean, it's not a surprise. As for how this impacts Texas Tech, it'll be interesting to see how the NCAA handles it because if they stick to their guns, like if they want to set an example to try to deter it, which I don't think you ever will, like, I mean, there are, I guarantee you right now there are other players currently in college football who are gambling on college football. Like they're, they're not, maybe not doing like thousands of dollars in a game, but they are betting like 5, 10 bucks on teams and play. Cause you know, they enjoy the sport too. So it'll be interesting to see what the punishment is. Obviously, if he misses time, it's a blow to Texas Tech. I mean, they're the best team in the Big 12 or they're the favorite in the Big 12, largely in part because they've gotten Brendan Sorsby, but they also still have Hammond behind him. So you do wonder, like, we saw him when he filled in for Baron Morton last year, played pretty well before he got hurt himself. So I, I, football wise, like, it's a big blow. It's a big story. I don't know if it tanks Texas Tech season entirely if he's not available to play, but will he be available to.
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Danny Cannell
So this isn't the first time we've seen this, there was Hunter Deckers before there was Brendan Sorzy, the Iowa State quarterback. We've seen the Alabama baseball. Like, we've seen college athletics impacted by gambling. But clearly this is the big one. Like, this was the bombshell where all of a sudden everybody's kind of familiar with the name and it's, oh, my gosh, like, this could happen. My hope, not like my hope. What comes of this is that other players, the ones that are thinking they can get away with it still, they use this as a wake up call. Now, if Sworesby doesn't get any punishment, if he's out there starting week one, it probably won't. But in the NFL, we saw players like Calvin Ridley suspended for a year for gambling. And I. And since then, like, we haven't seen it. It's been kind of quiet in the NFL. Doesn't mean it won't happen again. But I do think that becomes a wake up call for everybody. Like, and if this does go forward, and it appears he probably is not going to be able to play, this will be the perfect example for every coach to get up in front of their team, which I guarantee you they already have. And they say, you cannot do this. This is what happens if you do. And so hopefully we see that. The cynic in me, when this first came out, I thought, oh, Ssby just got busted placing big bets. And this is a PR campaign. I think it's 100% part of it is a PR campaign. But it is very clear he does have a problem. Right. And when you're placing 10,000 bets and you're in multiple states and you're gambling on each pitch, like, clearly has a problem. But I feel very hypocritical saying, how dare you? When we like to gamble, we like to talk about it. But at the same time, like, because I've seen some people dunking on other shows and dunking on TV networks, do they realize, like, those networks also advertise alcohol? Like, are they at fault when there's a DUI or somebody gets in an accident and there's somebody killed? No. Like, at some point there has to be some personal responsibility. And so, like, I think that's unfair to everyone to, like, blame it on us or the advertising. There has to be some personal accountability, just like there are with every freedom that we have in our country. And unfortunately, Brennan Sorsby is going to learn that lesson really, in a really hard way.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah, the Antwins aspect of it all, you know, like, you Know what, what are we advertising around all of our biggest and, you know, most popular sports? The argument for legalization, which is crazy that we are still less than a decade into widespread legalization of sports gambling in America. But a lot of it was it's a vice, just like tobacco or alcohol. So tax it and regulate it just like tobacco or alcohol. And you know, you've got to have that same. I think that's where the personal responsibility part of this would come in. I do have friends who even admitted publicly recently that during the Players Championship, some of the most fun you can have is playing closest to the pin one by one as they run it. Walk up to 17, you know.
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Danny Cannell
Right.
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Tom Fernelli
That probably comes out with a pretty rough looking number at the end of this. So I'm not going to do too much litigating of these dollar and $50 ball strike bets unless he was limited because of the other activity. But you're right, like multiple accounts, multiple stacks states the, the large amounts. I am not a doctor. I will offer no diagnosis. But yeah. Does it matter how this came to light?
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Danny Cannell
Oh, I mean, from an.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, matter to Ssby.
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Tom Fernelli
It doesn't matter to Ssby. But if Cincinnati was alerted to this and if there was perhaps some pending legal action over nil funds, doesn't it seem like that's one way we might have wound up here?
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Chip Patterson
It's speculation. Yes. Speculation, speculation.
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Tom Fernelli
But yeah, it might not matter.
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Danny Cannell
Right.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean, because how we got here doesn't matter how we got here. Where Texas Tech has a star quarterback that might not be able to play at all in college anymore. Potentially.
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Danny Cannell
Does it impact Cincinnati though, if they're the ones that had known about it, when it's their guy, you know, hey, let's keep it under wraps. But as soon as he leaves and they're suing him for a million bucks and there's bad blood and he's going to play against you this season, then all of a sudden you bring it forward. That's where it's a really bad look for Cincinnati and it could find them in some hot water as well. I don't know if they'll suffer any penalties or not, but that's when it looks really rough.
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Chip Patterson
I, I do think that whether it's Cincinnati getting in trouble. Source B I I if you're the ncaa and it sucks for Soresby because he's Ken, he's not the only one doing it. But you do have to drop a hammer. Like you really need to come with a heavy, heavy over the top Kind of punishment, because that's literally the only really weapon you have to try to curb it because you're never going to stop it. And if you want to keep players from betting on games and whether or not Brendan was betting on his games as he was playing in them or not, you can't have that kind of thought hanging over it where maybe this is happening. Like, you can't really have like a player playing poorly and it's like, oh, he's probably throwing this game, he's shaving points. You know, that's, that's not good for the sport. It's not good for anybody. So you have to do something to try to stop it before it really becomes a problem. Not that you can, but I don't know, it's just I, I have a feeling he's done
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Tom Fernelli
so. In October, Will Hammond tore his acl. He did not participate in spring drills. He was, as you mentioned, Tom looked pretty good. He has returned to throwing. But I. It is not, it is not a guarantee that he would be ready for week one. So do you know how I adjusted this? I said Texas Tech with all the rest of the work. Because remember, it wasn't just quarterback. They had JAG quarterback, won the Big 12 and made it to the Orange bowl last year. Is that fair to Baron Morton?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
Okay, so if they have, you know, jag ish quarterback play, if we have to start diving deep and, you know, just going to figure this thing out. I think they, I don't think they're the overwhelming favorite to win the Big 12. I think they're still a top 25 team and I think they're still the team to beat in the Big 12, even if they don't get Sourceby.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, last year I think they're the same team. Almost like if Will Hammond plays or. Because their schedule starts off easy if Hammond comes back week three or four. I think they're very similar to what they were last year, which I think the ceiling is Big 12 title, maybe a playoff win, but that's about it. Like this. That's why they went out and paid all the money, because it felt like they were a quarterback away.
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Tom Fernelli
And source be a full season at least has you starting to think that they could stand on the field with another one of the big dogs, another one of those top four, top five type teams and be competitive and he could give you a chance to win. Is that fair?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah. Are you? So, so we've seen Texas Tech so far be pretty supportive of Brendan Sorsby. Right. Is there a chance they try to fight this from the standpoint of, well, it was in 2022. The. And we don't know the amounts yet. The amounts were minuscule, you know, and maybe he gets off with half a year and they can survive the first half of the season and they get him back. Like, I don't know. And we were talking to Ross Dellinger on the radio show, and he was. He said something like, well, if you. If you take this to court and you get it in court in Lubbock, you know, with a Texas judge, you know, maybe you get a favorable ruling. Kind of left it out there. Like, this could still be played out in the courts potentially.
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Tom Fernelli
Ah. Like, I mean, just like any one of these transfers.
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Danny Cannell
Right, right, right.
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Tom Fernelli
Oh, my gosh.
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Danny Cannell
That's. I mean, I'm just. I think he's probably done, but it would. It's a. They have so much invested in this championship run. And, I mean, Cody Campbell, I'm assuming his attorneys are pretty successful and pretty smart and pretty well connected. If he wants to fight this and feels like, I don't know, like, they've been supportive, but they haven't said, we're ready to go to war, because we don't know all the details yet.
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Tom Fernelli
But Joey McGuire, who, by the way, doing the love, like, Joey McGuire is a loving coach. You know, he's Mr. Feelings. He's Mr. I don't even deal with the money. Like, I. I do all the recruiting, then I send him down the office, so I don't even have to think about money. I'm just about relationships. His quote is very much, I'm supporting the player in his return to a mental health position. If they've got a legal team that's putting together an argument right now that that's. That'd be a wrinkle here, not a judge.
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Chip Patterson
Breaking news. But if I were a judge and I was hearing this case again, you never know. Like, in these days, it really does depend on which you get. As long as you get the right one. You know, he's got the Texas Tech shirt on under his robe. You might get what you want, but if I am a judge, we're talking about, hey, maybe Cincinnati tipped him off. Like, you know, as far this is why he's getting suspended, because Cincinnati knew, well, if I'm the judge and Texas text like, it's unfair that we're getting punished for something he did before he got here, my response would be, well, if his previous school knew this was going on and you're going to invest this much money in him. Maybe you should have done a little bit better of a background check before just handing 6 million to a kid. And I'd say punishment stance, but I don't know. I mean, can. Can a judge really even rule on this? Because this is like. Is this even a legal matter? He did nothing illegal. It's just that this is a violation.
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Danny Cannell
He was underage, though.
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Chip Patterson
Well, he's been 18 the entire time, hasn't he?
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Danny Cannell
No, I think there was one that said when. When he was in. In whatever state he was in, it was 21. You had to gamble and he was using his mom's ID or using somebody else's id. So there was some legal. At this point, she might offer it up. Like, I'll go to jail for 6 million bucks. Yeah, it is 21 to gamble. That's what I thought.
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Chip Patterson
Where?
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Danny Cannell
I think it's almost everywhere. It's 21. In fact, we're going to Vegas.
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Chip Patterson
I was able to gamble when I was 18. I went right to the riverboat in Joliet.
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Tom Fernelli
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sports gambling carries different than like a card house games type stuff.
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Chip Patterson
They don't let kids do anymore, man.
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Tom Fernelli
Come on.
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Danny Cannell
What's wrong with us?
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Tom Fernelli
What's the, what's the next step? What are we looking for? An NCAA punishment? Because you can't have an injunction, like, you can't even sue to get him eligible until we have a punishment to sue. Because that's what it would be, right? Damn, I wish we had billable hours here. So I think it would be NCAA punishment, then a. A lawsuit against that to suspend the punishment, looking for an injunction. Is that correct?
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Danny Cannell
And then a lot of this goes back to the appetite of Texas Tech. Like, do they really want to go down this road? Because they're not going to gain a lot of public sentiment on this case. You know, like, are they. Are they willing to fight that battle? I don't know. And they, they. This is where they have to trust Brendan Sorsby. Like, whatever he's telling them.
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Tom Fernelli
Like, you might say, you gotta be honest with us.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah. Because it could come out that all of a sudden we're finding out he was in Cincinnati and he was, you know, the gambling was worse than it was in Indiana. And then you're like, well, forget it. So we don't know some of that.
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Tom Fernelli
The tailgate has called specific games into questions that had wild swings and interesting performances. So who. Who knows?
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Chip Patterson
I will say, like, if Texas Tech wants to get invested, I'm Sure. Cody's got these guys on retainer, so I don't even know if it'll cost him any extra. He just tosses another thing on their table and says, get to work.
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Tom Fernelli
If it's. And what's the name of the woman who comes in from the law firm in Landman?
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Chip Patterson
Oh, I don't know.
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Tom Fernelli
She comes in with her suit and her high heels.
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Chip Patterson
It's an Italian name. Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah. She's. She's got to learn. Learn the ways. Learn the ways of the patch. All right. Any. Any. Any. Any other. In anything else.
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Danny Cannell
So the other just interesting aspect to this is, with no spring portal, like, would they try to challenge that? Is that another thing that they might try to. Because I keep going back. Like, if you're Dylan Rayola, you got to be kind of kicking yourself, right? Like, man. Or like. Like you're just. You got screwed with timing because you can't leave Oregon. Now. Is there a chance like I was. What's the more likelihood they sue for Brendan Sourceby's eligibility or they sue for a player to be able to transfer?
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Chip Patterson
I don't know if I'm. If I'm Dylan Rayola, I don't feel like I got screwed at all. I'm getting paid a lot of money to go chill for a year in Oregon.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
All the. All of the takeaways and the reporting suggests that Dylan's happy. Yeah, Dylan's in a great spot. I mean, shoot, Dante probably can tell him, you know, hey, you come here, you know, you just. You get in the program, you get used to it, and then you get your chance to go. Well, it should be interesting. I hear. Let's go to the tailgate with something that is slightly related. Who. Who other than Texas Tech could win the Big 12? Like, if this is opening a door, who is this opening a door for?
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Chip Patterson
Byu.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
Maybe Utah. It's weird. I don't know about Utah, because with Whittingham and all those guys leaving, it's like, I don't know what that program is going to actually look like. I think BYU is the first one you point to. Then Utah would be second, but I. I don't know.
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Danny Cannell
Watch out for my course.
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Chip Patterson
I feel like it's really just BYU because they do have most of their stuff back.
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Tom Fernelli
I think there's a bigger group. If all of a sudden we're talking about seven and two to six and three making up the difference because we had four teams tie for first place in the Big 12 a couple years ago. And if that's the case, then, yeah, we could have some surprise teams be able to jump up and, you know, maybe. Maybe make some noise there in a way that. Honestly, I. I probably need to press myself to make sure that I've got. I've got my depth with the Big 12, you know, you can't just all of a sudden be like, ah, it's Texas Tech and whoever's going to lose to Texas Tech, you know, we. We might have. We might have something sneaky coming through. Maybe Colin Klein. Maybe this is Avery Johnson's time.
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Chip Patterson
You never stop believing.
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Tom Fernelli
Never stop believing. Let's go. Do you believe?
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Danny Cannell
What about that? Got new money coming their way potentially.
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Tom Fernelli
Oh, Colorado, let's go. Okay, we're gonna. We're gonna do a little palate cleanser. Two part palate cleanser. This one's from the tailgate. It's gonna make you laugh. Before we got started, Jerry said, now I'm thinking of Bud getting frustrated. He has to do Texas Tech summer school over again. Made a big deal about how it was so nice with no spring portal, they could go ahead and get started on summer schools. Unfortunately, gambling scandals might change that as well. Hope you have enjoyed summer school. Getting off and running already. I'm. I'm unaware if they have gotten a chance to record Texas Tech yet.
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Chip Patterson
Bud Elliot hoisted by his own petard.
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Tom Fernelli
A gambling scandal. Gambling scam.
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Chip Patterson
Bud saw. Bud saw Brendan Sworesby get like 10,000 bets, and he's like, those are rookie numbers, bro. You got to pump those numbers up.
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Tom Fernelli
No. Yeah, it was like the headline, you know, gambling scandal nabs Bud Elliott. But it's not the way you think. All right, this is the other palate cleanser. You guys want to watch some coach swings?
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
Okay.
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Chip Patterson
I have analysis ready for this.
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Tom Fernelli
All right. Yeah, we. YouTube.com cover3 if you want to watch. Along with us, the Champions Tour recently shared a. A super cut of some cuts. Oh, yeah. Nick Saban going first. Kirby Kaylin, DeBoer. And then, oh, Stephen Pearl, Nate Oates, Pete Golding.
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Danny Cannell
Sneaky.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
And I regret to say, Tommy Tuberville. Smooth.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, not much rotation, though.
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Danny Cannell
Not much.
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Chip Patterson
Very short, and it's old, but it's
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Tom Fernelli
all in the same plane, you know, Saw. We saw a lot of. We saw a lot of, like, chopping a lot of.
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Chip Patterson
He.
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Tom Fernelli
He kept that thing just right there. What. What do we think? Swing analysis. Give it to us.
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Chip Patterson
I gotta say, Kaylin's got in. Look at this rotation on Kaylin. Look how far back he's getting there. That's really good. Like, I. I'd like to see him open up the hips more and followed through better. But Kaylin, I think, has a great kind of backswing. And the NATO is just. Brother, I'm telling you, some lessons.
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Danny Cannell
I. I'm surprised that Pete Golding showed a swing this good. Like, this looks good. Like, I mean, you want to kind of keep these under wraps. I think his is by far the best swing. Right?
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah. I mean, yeah. After we were checking Hugh Freeze and Brian Kelly's golf.
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Danny Cannell
Right.
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Tom Fernelli
Pete Golding cannot be out here with the swing that good. You set yourself up for failure.
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Danny Cannell
I mean, watch that T sheet. Watch that teach. And he recently, like, said, I don't have time for golf. I eat. You know, he just. He had to play it down. Maybe he grew up on it.
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Chip Patterson
Kirby swinging out of his shoes like, he's got, like, you literally, he's on his toes as he makes contact. You can see it. So he's got that power. I mean, Nick. Nick shanked the hell out of that shot. That's pretty mean of the champions tour to put that one of Nick on the video where he's hitting it, like, 45 degrees, right? Yeah.
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Danny Cannell
Did you see he said he shot his age multiple times. Saban, 74.
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Chip Patterson
Wouldn't shock me. He plays a lot.
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Tom Fernelli
Plays a lot.
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Danny Cannell
You know why it wouldn't shock me?
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Tom Fernelli
Senior tease that.
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Danny Cannell
And who's gonna make him putt out? Me. I would. I'd be like, I gotta see that. But think about all the times he plays. They're gonna be like, oh, that's good.
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Chip Patterson
That's good.
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Danny Cannell
Coach scared of them.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Danny Cannell
Give them six footers.
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Tom Fernelli
You think. You think it's not even inside the leather for Saban. I mean, it's just way outside.
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Danny Cannell
It's outside the flag stick.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah, that's a great, great call. Nate Oates, by the way, is not getting any allegations for spending too much time. That's. That is a. That's a math teacher who spends more time thinking about the geometry of a court than he does about, like, the angle of the attack angle of his downswing.
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Chip Patterson
Also, Steven Pearl should be grateful that they put Nate Oats immediately after him. So that way, as soon as you're done watching Steven Pearl swing, you completely forget about it, because here comes Nate Oates doing, like, freaking Julio Franco in his backswing there.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah. Little palate cleanser. Little palate cleanser. Roasting some swings after the Brendan source be all right. Big palate cleanser. That's going to be questions from the big old bag of mail. So coming up on the other side, let's take a look back at the BCS era, 1998 to 2013, when you know it was just one verse two every single year. Well, what teams that did not win a title might have won it all if we had a 12 team playoff. And nil and more.
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Danny Cannell
Next,
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Chip Patterson
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Chip Patterson
So much clearer.
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Danny Cannell
There we go. I don't know, I can see clear.
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Tom Fernelli
Sorry, this question from the big old bag of mail. And it's from Gamecock. Who's one of them? Thanks for all you do to help me take a break as I write my dissertation on the January 22nd podcast, Bud discussed the crack in the blue chip ratio that Indiana caused when they won the national championship. That said. That said, given nil spreading out talent, some teams can win the national championship. Now that could not pre nil for the sake of all the listeners bragging rights, I wonder if you could go through some of the teams from the national title list program's golden eras and discuss whether they could win a national championship in the NIL era. As a Gamecocks fan, I'm particular particularly interested in the Connor Shaw led, Garnet and Black, including some years with Jadevion Clowney. But Arkansas and Kansas State from the year they matched up as top eight teams also comes to mind. Maybe throw in some of the best Illinois and North Carolina teams too and any others you'd like. Thanks again for your work. I will not throw a North Carolina team in this conversation from 1998 to 2013. I do not think even in an expanded playoff era there was one squad that would be prepared to win minimum three games against the other best teams in the country.
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, I got a good one. I got a good one. 2016 USC if you remember that season, Sam Darnold. Sam. Well he didn't start the season. I think it was Max Brown, right, who started against Alabama. They get boat raced, then they lose to Stanford, then they make the switch and they still lost in Sam Darnold's first start to Utah by four points,
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Tom Fernelli
which was at Utah, right. And it was a close loss.
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Danny Cannell
Then they go undefeated the rest of the way. I remember actually saying like this is why we need expansion and should they be discussed because they made a quarterback change. But I think if they had gotten the opportunity, I think they could have been a dangerous team with Sam Darnold at the helm.
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Chip Patterson
But would they have even gotten in the field? Because they'd have been nine and three and they'd have had only one win against a ranked opponent. Now it was a road win against the Washington team that was ranked number four at the time. But they were one and three against ranked team. So that would have been the argument for sure. Like well they did change their quarterback so we would have had a lot, plenty of it.
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Tom Fernelli
But and Washington one, I think that's the Jake Browning Washington team that won the Pac 12 that year. So you would have been beating the table to be the last team in with a win over the PAC12 champ. Talking about the quarterback change as your biggest reason for, for there's a bunch
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Danny Cannell
of teams nine and three though that were
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Chip Patterson
12. He was ranked what, 12th at the
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Danny Cannell
time, so ninth in the last week of the regulation. And then they jumped a big jump. Florida State was 9 at 11, Colorado was 10 and 3 at 10. Wisconsin was ranked ahead of them at 10 and 3.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, no, I mean it's possible.
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Tom Fernelli
Who else stands out from the. So like 1998 to 2013?
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Chip Patterson
I mean, I, I think one thing you want to look at, like we talked about, you know, the question which by the way, I would love to know what the dissertation's on, but like Indiana breaks the blue chip ratio. Indiana has the number one pick in the drafted quarterback. I feel like that is something you would want to look for. Like maybe it's not the most talented team, but if they had a very good quarterback that could maybe, you know, uplift the team through a run like that. So trying to think of teams that had those kind of quarterbacks.
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Tom Fernelli
Go Virginia Tech with Michael Vick. They lose to Florida State that one year, but he had two years as a starter where he was awesome. And if you make that an expanded playoff and it's like all of a sudden Vic gets to single handedly try to control a bracket and try to win those games with his playmaking ability. I think Virginia Tech might have been able to be, might have been able to put a trophy in that empty trophy case instead of having it linger for all these years.
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Chip Patterson
So 1999 tech, let's see. I mean, I don't know, Chip, I don't know.
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Tom Fernelli
Are you looking at their simple rating system?
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Chip Patterson
Not even that it's their schedule. That year was not exactly a murderer's row. This is like the old Big east days. Like they did beat number 24 Virginia. They beat 16 Syracuse and they beat 19 Miami in 22 BC. It's just Florida State was the first top 15 team that they. And they got boat raced. So I don't know.
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Tom Fernelli
I don't know. Okay, so that would have been like the early BCS era there.
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Chip Patterson
Actually that's a good point from Terry. It's Mike Vic playing for Virginia Tech at that point.
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Danny Cannell
That is true in the Portal era. Good point.
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Tom Fernelli
I don't know. We have a lot of evidence to suggest that man loves where he came from.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, for sure.
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Tom Fernelli
So that's one where I don't know if you would have gotten a hometown discount, but he certainly would have had a lot of motivation to be able to stay at home. In 2006, we had Michigan and Ohio State play in a game. 1 verse 2 when they had their game at the end of the season, Ohio State wins that game. Ohio State makes the national championship game, they lose to Florida. Could that Ohio State or that Michigan team have won an expanded playoff?
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Chip Patterson
They got housed by Florida in that game maybe. I mean because somebody else might have taken Florida out before you got to the title game.
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Tom Fernelli
Right? True. I mean it's not just that one, but that's the other team because that was. I don't want to automatically just go to all the runners up but I'm trying to think about the type of team you would need you Florida. The 08 Florida team had Sam Bradford and the Sooners just clamped up. Was that 24 to 14. I think it's that final which given how historic the Oklahoma offense had been throughout that regular season emerging from that insane Big 12 title race in the 2008 season, they I, I would have let that team go run in a 12 team playoff. And if they had to run into almost anybody except for Florida's defense, I think they would have been able to score 28 plus points on basically anybody else in the playoff.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, I got one for you. Let's see what year was that? 1998 Tennessee wins in the national title. The first BCS year got there. They played, they played Florida State, Ohio State in 1998. Did not get to play in the title game. If you looked at their record, they finished 11 and 1. Their lone loss was a four point loss at home to Michigan State. But they beat ranked West Virginia by 17. They beat a ranked Missouri by 21. They beat the top 10 Penn State by 19. They beat the top 11 Michigan by 15. And in the bowl game against number 8 Texas A&M they won by 10. I think if you put that team, if they didn't lose that game to Michigan State at home in early November, you put them into a 12 team playoff. That squad I think has a decent chance. I mean that was the team. Let's see, they had a Joe Germain who could forget at quarterback but they, the running back was Michael Wiley. Receivers, they had David Boston. According to some people, his son got drafted last week. That was a very good team that I feel like kind of got screwed because of their. They had one bad loss and they didn't get into the title game. But I think they could have beaten both Florida State or Tennessee that year had they played them.
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Tom Fernelli
Danny, would Bobby, would Bobby Bowden have had more titles you think with an expanded playoff.
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Danny Cannell
Yes, unequivocally would have had more titles. Yeah, but since 98, you know, because I was thinking pre nine but I think even since 98 I think he would have had another one or two being on the cusp because the run of top five finishes we would have so many more Opportunities.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah. And is that, is that run from like 92 to oh, 5? Does that sound right where it's just like that?
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Danny Cannell
Yeah, it might have started a little before that. Might have been 90, you know, for something like that. But yeah, it was right there.
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Tom Fernelli
And tailgate. Great question. Does an expanded play, further expanded playoff give Nick Saban more titles?
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Danny Cannell
I mean, I've got in almost all the time to the four team.
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Tom Fernelli
I don't know if it would have if, if we're going to truly follow the letter of the question which said nil. Spreading the talent around more. Because Nick Saban's ability to get his team mentally prepared and sort of schematically prepared for the biggest games of the year is an X factor that makes him, you know, part of the goat conversation. But he did win 10, 10 games a year. Getting off the bus because of the, because of the work that went into talent accumulation. Right. Scouting, evaluation, development, recruiting. All of those things matter and make you, you know, a sport changing college football head coach. But in terms of just like if all that talent is spread out more similar to the way that his, his padawan Kirby Smart has to deal with now, you just can't, can't stack them like you used to. I don't know if it guarantees Nick more overall rings though. I do think that expanded playoff would just mean that he's the team every single season. Any championship hopeful has to know that. You got to get through Saban.
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Danny Cannell
I have one. Well, that might have been taken away from Alabama had my proposal 2011 Oklahoma state, them getting left out, which was a big, you know, part of the change to the system. But. And sadly they wouldn't happen from now on anyway because we won't see any more Brandon Whedon stories because he would age out of the system and the new eligibility rules. As a 27, 28 year old quarterback, we wouldn't see that. But with Justin Blackman, some of the weapons they had, that team was really, really good. I know they had the loss to Iowa State, but they had wins against top 10 Texas A M. They beat top 25 Texas, top 25 Kansas State and a top 15 Oklahoma and housed that Oklahoma team. The Oklahoma State team was really, really good.
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Chip Patterson
Going back in the wayback machine for this one. It's 1990. Dennis Erickson might have had an extra national title. This is Miami. Started the year number one in the polls. Lost opening game at BYU 2821. And we know how like the first week of the season goes. That's when you typically See, the most upsets, all of BYU was ranked. Their only other loss that year came at Notre Dame. 29 20. A very good Notre Dame team that year, mind you. They beat number two, Florida State. And then they, after that Notre Dame loss, they ran off another five straight wins to finish the regular season. And these were all like blowout wins. Like, they weren't, you know, there weren't many close games. And then they get to the Cotton bowl against number three, Texas, and they beat Texas 46 to three. So Colorado won the national title that year back when you were still voting on it. And I just feel like if you put a 12 team playoff in there, no offense to either Colorado or Georgia Tech, who finished ahead of the Hurricanes in the bowl. I bet Miami would have beaten both those teams on the field.
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Tom Fernelli
It's like if 88, Notre Dame, 89's Miami, then all of a sudden you get like a few kind of off the radar ones. Penn State cracks in in 92, beating a Miami team. Then all of a sudden Florida state pops in 93. It's a little bit of the dragon meme with the one with the silly face when you just look at all Those champions from 88 to 93, and one of them just doesn't quite. It's like, what's, what's Washington, Georgia Tech and Colorado doing up in there, huh? I don't, I don't know about all that. So maybe go through and look for those Miami teams. Look, look for some of those other teams around there. AJ McCarron was a part of college football pregame and some CBS Sports HQ coverage. Have you all ever heard AJ talk about the Oklahoma State, Iowa State game from 2011? It was a Friday night game. They were staying in, they were in the team hotel. But the next opponent, let's see. So it was November 18th for that game and this game was night. Yeah, Friday night game that Oklahoma State loses home game. But they're in the team hotel. They're playing then FCS Georgia Southern. So the whole team is watching Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and as soon as like the game goes final, the whole hallway is just like going nuts. AJ Tells the story. It's like as if we had won a game or like won the championship. Because everyone knew that. It just opened the door. Now all they had to do was beat Georgia Southern, beat Auburn, and, you know, they were just gonna be able to roll their way in. And Saban gets up in there with a, you all haven't won shit. Next time you're talking to A.J. get him to retail. Being in the team hotel as Oklahoma State gets knocked off by Iowa State and the ass slashing that that Nick Saban had for this team that was celebrating as if they had won something. Night before the Georgia Southern game. They did end up winning 45 to 21 against Georgia Southern that year. But you got to think giving up 21 points to the FCS squad was a lack of focus. Spending too much time celebrating, celebrating the. The Iowa State win there.
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Chip Patterson
One more for our boy here. 1992. In that year's Sugar bowl, number two Alabama beat number one Miami 34 to 13, won the national title. Deserved Miami was number one, deserved to be there. But there was that Florida State team who went 11 and 1 and their only loss was to that Miami team. Which is why again, not saying it was unfair, but you put that Florida State team, with a young Daniel Canal backing up Charlie ward into a 12 team playoff. That's a team that I feel like was good enough to make a run because they lost to Miami by three points at Miami. Other than that, you look at what they were doing that year and Danny, you remember you got like, you got off to like, you know, you had the four point win at Clemson, you had the 21 point win at NC State, you had a close win against Georgia Tech. But down the stretch you guys were housing Maryland house, Florida and then you kicked Nebraska's ass in the Orange Bowl. Like that was the team that I feel like was really good all year and just had one, not even bad day, just lost a close game on the road.
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Danny Cannell
Yep. And then watch out. If Charlie would have gotten hurt, then we definitely would have won.
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Chip Patterson
Oh God. That was. Yeah.
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Danny Cannell
Charlie who
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Tom Fernelli
thank you Tom for pointing that one out. I didn't see was the tailgate nabbing me on my. 1992. Penn State's first title is 82. Alabama Gene Stallings is 92 to. So no pins, no Joe Paw National Titles officially after 86, correct?
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, something like that.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah. Any, any other squads that we throw out there?
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Chip Patterson
2001, Illinois, we just, you know, forget that Sugar bowl loss that was. We would have beaten anybody else.
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Tom Fernelli
The. Would a Manzel team have made it through the playoff?
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Chip Patterson
No, they would have pulled an offset or two, but I don't think they get through the whole thing.
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Tom Fernelli
Big Trinidad Chambliss Ole Miss energy from a Texas A M team, you know.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, like that the Sugar Bowl Trinidad had against Georgia really was. I mean we, we throw the comp out a lot, but that really was the most. Johnny Manziel esque kind of game I'd seen from a quarterback since Johnny Manziel just pulling stuff out of his butt.
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Tom Fernelli
Well and even the Miami game, we thought Miami had it wrapped up and they just kept knocking and kept knocking and you get down all the way to the very end just still got a. I could see Texas A and M very much having that kind of performance in the playoffs.
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Danny Cannell
How dare we forget about the co national champions of 2017. You know could could that honeymoon story Cinderella story could have continued. I think they would have got a win but I don't think they would have won at all.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah I'm gonna go back and look see here who did they play that year?
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Danny Cannell
Not Auburn people.
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Tom Fernelli
So no they, they played the Auburn
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Danny Cannell
Auburn in the champions in the ball
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Chip Patterson
game But I mean their best win in the regular Maryland was Memphis.
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Danny Cannell
Maryland that was might have been their biggest win.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah Maryland finished. They finished two and seven so I don't know.
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Danny Cannell
And the Georgia Tech game was canceled. Remember that's what screwed them kind of because they would have had another P4 opponent like it was yesterday.
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Tom Fernelli
Dagum storms, you know how about them? All right, coming up on the other side, more of your questions and our answers and more next. You tell yourself no one wants your
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Danny Cannell
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Tom Fernelli
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Danny Cannell
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Tom Fernelli
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Danny Cannell
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Tom Fernelli
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Chip Patterson
Um. Probably again I just mentioned it probably the Sugar bowl against lsu. Even though we got our asses handed to us just it was a Very good time. Just being down there and have the experience and going. Because like that year, like Illinois was very good that year. But I'm thinking like back to who we played at home. Like our big win was Ohio State, but that was on the road. We beat Penn State. I was at that game. But Penn State sucked that year. So it was like, yeah, I would say the Sugar Bowl.
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Tom Fernelli
Danny, how do you want to spin it?
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Danny Cannell
So I'll give you two. As a player, being on the field but not playing, but kind of watching the 93 game in Florida, when we won the national championship, there was a huge third down. We're trailing. It is the loudest I'd ever heard a stadium before in my life. Charlie Ward hits work done out the side, he goes up the sideline, we take the lead. And you could almost hear a pin drop, like after that went from the loudest to the quietest. That was one of the most insane environments. Also the, the 93 or. Yeah, the 93 game of the century with Notre Dame, that was pretty cool. Even though we lost. Just to be at Notre Dame, to be in South Bend, that was really cool. But as a fan, I mean, you guys got to see the elation on my face and the experience of getting to storm the field when Florida State beat Alabama this past year. That might have been one of my best memories, just as a fan, as a dad, with my two daughters there, even though we lost one. But that was. That was definitely like an all timer game to be at as a fan.
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Tom Fernelli
My. When I was a student, the. My first couple years were the end of the John Bunting era, which, you know, didn't provide a lot. Took Butch Davis a year or two to get his feet under him. I was a senior for the 2008 season, which means I was in the stadium for a 29, 24 win against Notre Dame, where North Carolina did not lead until the fourth quarter. You know, they had just been chasing the game, chasing the game, chasing the game. Just pulled it up. Hakeem Nix with 141 receiving yards on nine catches in the game. Yeah, Sean Drawn, I don't know if you remember him, he had 91 rushing yards as well. And it was just, it was the kind of game that because it was Notre Dame on campus, there was just all red. It was every single. Every fraternity had a huge party planned. And everyone's tailgate was even bigger than the regular tailgate. And then I had been conditioned for so many big game days in Chapel Hill to be awesome, like, get your Excitement, party in early because they're probably going to lose. And then this was the one that spun the narrative, which in the moment was like, oh my goodness, this maybe we can. Right? I mean, the same, the same dream after the first drive against tcu, right? But it was a super fun environment, super fun build up and then exciting game along the way. The second one that I would list from when I was a student came later that year and also involved the same star wide receiver, though a very different ending. Hakeem Nicks went bananas in the pouring rain against West Virginia in the Continental Tire bowl. And he was doing everything he could to try to will that team to win. And the defense just didn't want to tackle. I mean, I had not seen 1, 2, 3 Cancun or 1, 2, 3 Wrightsville Beach. Like that team was just like, nope, it's miserable. I don't want to play and I don't want to tackle. Similar to that Boca Raton Bowl, Danny, where you were at field levels early. I mean, let's see, what was the final score of that Continental Tire ball. West Virginia might have scored 44 points or something like that. I mean, it's just, it was amazing to watch the individual effort of Hakeem Nicks trying to put the team's fortunes on his back. He was playing back in Charlotte. He was from Charlotte, played for Charlotte Independence at a time when Charlotte Independence sent Chris Leak to Florida and Mohamed Massacoi to Georgia. And it was just like a run of big time college football players. He was playing back in his home city. He tried his best, but defense was just throwing out arm tackles left and right. So best one that as a win, as a student, I would say with the Notre Dame game of my senior year, then at the bowl game, I will always remember Hakeem Nick's individual effort trying to get that done. All right, let's keep it rolling. This next question, go to the tailgate, actually, tailgate. Yesterday was my birthday. Happy birthday, Wayne. Wayne, you jumped in the tailgate at 10:18am Eastern Time, almost 40 minutes before we got started. So we appreciate you pulling in and getting the conversation going. Yesterday was my birthday and all I want is a question answered by the COVID three guys. What cities or stadiums would you want to cover a college football style draft? A draft that would be in the spring, like the NFL. So if college football A had a draft and B was traveling around from city to city or stadium to stadium, similar to the NFL, where would you like for it to be?
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Chip Patterson
Happy birthday, Wayne. The Honest answer. Indianapolis. It's a perfect event city. I can drive there. Hotels are great, easy to get around. Indianapolis, for me, would be the answer.
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Tom Fernelli
But isn't the argument for the NFL draft that you're supposed to be tapping into the local NFL cultures?
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Chip Patterson
It is now, but that's not how the NFL draft was. It was always at Radio City Music Hall. Wasn't until it became a television event that. That they started trying to, you know, move it all around. I mean, a bunch of places would be fun, but for us, because we'd be covering it for work. Indianapolis for.
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Tom Fernelli
Because we'd be covering it for work. Baton Rouge, because we're covering it for work. Knoxville, because we'd be covering it for work. And it's in the spring. Where's somewhere that it would be beautiful in the spring?
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Chip Patterson
Everywhere. Everywhere is beautiful in the spring, Chip. The birds are singing. The flowers are blooming. The bees are buzzing. It's currently 45 degrees South Bend. No, I mean, it's kind of cold and crappy here right now. So that's the problem with, like, the Midwest. You're in, like, peak tornado season.
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Tom Fernelli
So how about this in the Coliseum
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Chip Patterson
in Rome? I don't know. Vegas would probably be good. Although, I mean, little too much going on in Vegas.
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Tom Fernelli
I feel like Iowa City.
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Chip Patterson
Listen, there's. You can have a lot of fun in Iowa City.
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Tom Fernelli
I know.
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Chip Patterson
I don't know if Iowa City is a let's host the draft here kind of place where you've got like 400,000 people showing up. I don't know if the. The plumbing can handle that many people in Iowa City.
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Tom Fernelli
Chris Hassel can tell you that plumbing can be tested.
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Chip Patterson
It's a really fun college town, though. Like, if you are between 18 and 24, just. That is a great place to spend a weekend.
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Tom Fernelli
Happy birthday, Wayne. Happy birthday, Wayne. We are gonna be back on Monday or they will. And the topic du jour will be ranking the best off seasons. That includes NFL draft declarations, who stayed, who went transfer, portal addition, subtractions, trying to roll through some of the best off seasons that we just saw in college football. So guys will have you set with that and you can follow him on Twitter at. Tom Frnelli, you, Chip Patterson. Tom, thank you very much.
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Chip Patterson
Thank you.
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Danny Cannell
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Chip Patterson
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Tom Fernelli
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Chip Patterson
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Tom Fernelli
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Tom Fernelli
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Danny Cannell
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