Upon Further Review: College Football Rankings Reaction, Playoff Projections, Bowl or NO Bowl & More

Summary

Cover 3 College Football Podcast — Episode Summary Episode: Upon Further Review: College Football Rankings Reaction, Playoff Projections, Bowl or NO Bowl & More
Date: November 10, 2025
Hosts: Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Bud Elliott

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Main Theme & Purpose

This lively episode dives deep into Week 11 of the college football season, focusing on pivotal reactions to the latest AP Top 25, College Football Playoff (CFP) projections, analysis of voters' reasoning (and biases), and spirited debates around which teams are truly bowl-worthy. Bud Elliott’s playoff projections get a critical breakdown, and the hosts explore both the strange logic driving some voters and the complex playoff pathways facing bubble teams. There's also time for “hot seat” coaching talk, stadium moves, and the ever-popular “bowl or no bowl” debates. The episode maintains its usual playful, irreverent “tailgate” energy throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AP Top 25 Poll Reactions

• Controversial Ballots and SEC Bias?
  • Some AP voters moved Ole Miss up after a 49–0 win against FCS Citadel and dropped Oregon despite Oregon winning on the road at top-20 Iowa.
    • Bud Elliott (04:09): “Gentlemen, I need to know why the win was so unimpressive that you all decided to move Oregon down while simultaneously moving Ole Miss up for beating an FCS team. I would really like an explanation for that because I can't find one.”
  • Geographic patterns observed among voters making controversial choices, suggesting regional influences.
• Logic Gaps in Polling:
  • The hosts scrutinize whether voters are copying CFP committee logic or are biased against certain teams like Iowa.
    • Bud Elliott (06:20): “I think it's partially playoff rankings... but also Iowa bias. This is the same poll that did not actually rank Iowa last week... people look at Iowa and think, Iowa sucks. So if you barely beat Iowa, you can't be that good.”
  • Tiebreakers & Resume Building:
    • Chip observes that sometimes teams get “jumped” rather than “dropped,” with voters making murky decisions within a one-loss cluster.
    • Chip Patterson (08:11): “If you had Oregon ahead of Ole Miss, then watch that weekend play out and then reverse that order, then I think that is misguided. Extremely.”
  • Strange ballots:
    • Bud notes a ballot with James Madison #15, Miami #17, and Louisville unranked—even though Louisville beat both.
    • Chip Patterson (10:20): “So Louisville beat James Madison and Miami. Yeah, but he's got Louisville unranked.”

2. Bud Elliott’s College Football Playoff Projections

• Forecasted Final Four:
  • Bud’s model projects Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A&M, and Alabama as likely byes, assuming current leaders win out.
    • Tom Fornelli (12:32): “I do still project that those four are going to be your four teams that receive a bye assuming they keep winning through the regular season here.”
• Texas Tech Surge and Resume Power:
  • Tech’s dominant run and strong resume could propel them past one-loss teams, especially if Georgia doesn't gain more high-value wins.
    • Bud Elliott (16:15): “We know the committee is going to value strength of schedule, but are they going to value it as a tiebreaker if you have similar records…?”
• Struggles for Two-Loss Teams:
  • The discuss the difficulty for teams like BYU (if they lose badly to Tech) and Ole Miss (potentially lacking a ranked win), highlighting how head-to-head and “style points” will be significant tiebreakers.
    • Bud Elliott (19:24): “There is a chance [Ole Miss] could finish the season without a win against a ranked team.”
• Committee Manipulation of the Rankings Back-End:
  • Tom claims the committee manipulates the 25–20 range to justify giving quality wins to highly-ranked teams.
    • Tom Fornelli (19:40): “They rigged the back end to justify the top end… that’s not even a conspiracy at this point.”

3. Playoff Pathways for Bubble Teams (22:00)

• Oklahoma and Texas
  • Direct, win-and-in scenarios, but a single late loss (especially to a low-value opponent like late-season LSU) could be fatal.
• Miami & ACC Mayhem
  • Miami still has a “chaos path”; style points could matter if they hope to jump Notre Dame, who they’ve beaten head-to-head.
  • Tom Fornelli (24:39): “They also Miami probably needs style points. You need to start stomping people out, like the Irish are doing right now.”
• BYU’s Dilemma
  • Two-loss BYU likely out, especially with back-to-back losses to Tech—even close games may not help.
• Tennessee & Utah
  • Tennessee getting in is “not entirely insane” if chaos occurs, but Utah would deserve it more with a stronger schedule.
    • Bud Elliott (28:37): “If you’re 9-3 and your best win is Vandy, you don’t deserve to be in the playoff.”
• Massive List of Contenders
  • 30+ teams realistically in the hunt—unparalleled chaos potential for the expanded playoff format.
    • Chip Patterson (29:29): “Say the line, Bud.”
    • Bud Elliott (29:36): “That’s what makes this awesome.”

4. Coaching Carousel & Hot Seat Updates (32:58)

• Notable Rumblings:
  • Mark Stoops (Kentucky) and Mike Locksley (Maryland) not likely going anywhere soon, as buyouts are prohibitive and stability is valued.
  • Florida State watch is “wait and see,” with more focus on athletic department strategy, NIL, and roster-building over immediate change.
• Virginia Tech Search
  • The job isn’t filled yet, possibly as a leading candidate is still fielding other offers. Discussion turns to how program direction could change with leadership experience.
    • Chip Patterson (38:44): “I think the advantages of James Franklin are that he can help you as a university... to understand how to invest all this new money.”

5. Stadium Moves and Conference Planning (50:42)

• UCLA Considering Move from Rose Bowl to SoFi Stadium
  • Hosts debate fan experience, financial logic, and local tradition.
    • Tom Fornelli (51:43): “The Rose Bowl is beautiful… but the stadium itself's a dump. So… it's a much better fan experience at SoFi.”
  • Broader observation: Big Ten schools are locking in long-term revenue but may be saddling themselves with untenable debt just to stay afloat.
    • Bud Elliott (55:13): “Instead of taking this money, how about we all just get together and kind of, you know, collude against the $13 million coaching salary with the $50 million buyout.”

6. “Bowl or No Bowl?” Debates (57:07)

• Mississippi State, Kansas, Florida State, Clemson
  • Vigorous breakdown of each bubble team’s remaining path; most are pessimistic about Kansas making it, skeptical on Mississippi State, and split on Florida State and Clemson.
    • Bud Elliott (58:53, Kansas): “I’m going to go no bowl.”
    • Tom Fornelli (61:08, FSU): [hesitant coin-flip, "Noble."]
    • Chip Patterson (64:49, Clemson): “If Clemson finishes the regular season with four straight wins… you better get ready for how Dabo talks about this team and how he loved this team more than any other…”

7. Upon Further Review: Game & Coach Analysis

• Georgia’s Offense / Mike Bobo’s Year
  • The hosts praise coordinator Mike Bobo’s flexible schemes and managing offensive line injuries, wonky backfields, and steady progress since last year.
    • Tom Fornelli (47:22): “Yeah, I think he is having a nice year… they’re playing some young guys on the line... I think they scheme it up pretty nice. They understand like Stockton's strengths and weaknesses.”
• Nebraska’s Emmett Johnson Breakout
  • True freshman RB and under-the-radar star Emmett Johnson’s big game at UCLA highlighted.
    • Bud Elliott (50:05): “Emmett Johnson is one of the better running backs in the country, and he has not really gotten any attention for it all season long, so. Oh, well. Came for him.”
• Wake Forest’s Bowl Eligibility
  • Wake’s old-school, no-offensive-TD win over Virginia highlighted as the “brilliantly boring win of the week.”
    • Chip Patterson (42:41): “Wake is bowling now… they are about keeping it simple. They’re about playing rock-solid defense, they’re about not making mistakes…”

8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Poll Voters:
  • Bud Elliott (04:09): “Gentlemen, I need to know why the win was so unimpressive that you all decided to move Oregon down while simultaneously moving Ole Miss up for beating an FCS team. I would really like an explanation for that because I can’t find one.”
• On Committee Logic:
  • Tom Fornelli (19:50): “Definitely they rigged the back end to justify the top end. Like, there’s actually no reason to rank 25 teams in a 12 team college ball playoff ranking.”
• On Expanded Playoff Chaos:
  • Chip Patterson (29:29): “Say the line, Bud.”
  • Bud Elliott (29:36): “That’s what makes this awesome.”
• On Fan Experience:
  • Tom Fornelli (51:43): “The Rose Bowl is a beautiful view… but the stadium itself’s a dump. Like, it really is.”
• On Louisville’s Playoff Standing Collapse:
  • Bud Elliott (68:45): “I'm not saying this is going to happen, but Louisville has Clemson this week, then they're on the road at SMU. And then they finish with Kentucky… It's not insane to entertain the idea that Louisville finishes 7 and 5.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• AP Poll & Voter Critiques: 03:07–11:15
• Playoff Model Reactions & Scenarios: 12:32–20:24
• Playoff Pathways for Bubble Teams: 22:00–31:00
• Coaching Carousel / Hot Seat: 32:58–41:05
• Brilliantly Boring Win (Wake Forest): 41:05–44:02
• Game Analysis: Georgia Offense, Nebraska RB: 47:19–50:47
• Stadium Moves & Big Ten Planning: 50:42–56:22
• Bowl or No Bowl Lightning Round: 57:07–65:21
• Further Review: Game & Coach Deep Dives: 66:13–70:46

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, expert yet irreverent and playful.
• Frequent affectionate razzing of each other, playful digs at SEC and Big Ten loyalists, and inside jokes aimed at their core audience.
• The hosts don’t shy from criticizing the system—even as they love the sport’s chaos.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must for any college football fan trying to make sense of the playoff race, who wants a sharp critique of poll logic, and who enjoys the “inside baseball” of coaching hires and playoff bracketology. The hosts’ combination of statistical gravitas, skepticism of established narratives, and obvious passion for the game makes even the most obscure bowl projection feel consequential.

Transcript

[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

Welcome.

[Tom Fornelli]

Back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli, Danny.

[Bud Elliott]

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[Tom Fornelli]

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[Chip Patterson]

And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fornelli, that's Bud Elliott, I'm Chip Patterson coming to you [e-mail] cover3 and everywhere. You get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe smash that like and come and join us in the chat. AKA the COVID 3 tailgate where they're already getting. They're already getting nitty gritty, y'. All. They're saying Gunner needs his flowers. Texas defensive line isn't ready for the Dogs offensive line. Hey listen, we got time to break down that week 12 heavyweight battle between the Georgia Bulldogs and the Texas Longhorns. Maybe something from Georgia's weekend that was will be a part of upon further review because yes, that is the order of business here on a Monday. One last chance to look back at the week that was in addition to discussing changes in our College Football Playoff projection from Bud Elliott. And let's go ahead and get started with it. A chance to react to the new AP top 25. We've got notes. It is Pole Assassin. All right, so in the new AP top 25, there's as we mentioned Saturday night, in tomorrow's top 25, there were bound to be some changes because you had a lot of ranked teams take losses. Some of them were a little bit more predictable, like Missouri, for example, falling as an underdog to Texas A and M. However, Washington's loss to Wisconsin you out of here. But not not so mean were the AP voters to Louisville and Virginia. I projected they could fall all the way out. Louisville falls just five spots to 19. The Virginia falls eight spots down to number 20. BYU, of course, with a slight step back after taking your first defeat of the season down four spots to number 12. Little bit of shuffling inside the top 10 and that's where Tom Fornelli, you would like to turn our attention first.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, typically we would save this for upon further review because we didn't talk much about Ole Miss's 49 to nothing win over the Citadel on the reaction show Saturday night. Yeah, I don't like Obviously a lot of AP voters watched it and they were very impressed by what Ole Miss did to the Citadel, who is now 4 and 6. Here's a list of the people who on their AP ballots this weekend moved Ole Miss up for beating the Citadel while also moving Oregon down for winning on the road against Iowa, the top 20 team in the College Football Playoff rankings.

[Chip Patterson]

Before you start reading their names, I want to make sure that I reiterate to the audience here that the following voters have met the qual both qualifications. Yes, Ole Miss up yes after a win against fcs, the Citadel Prince of Tides, Pat Conroy just means more and also moved Oregon down and moved Oregon.

[Tom Fornelli]

Down after a win for winning for.

[Chip Patterson]

Winning on the road Iowa team that was ranked by the College Football Playoff selection committee by Mark Dantonio at number 20.

[Bud Elliott]

Now to be clear, there are other voters who moved one up and or Oregon down but not didn't do both. And there could easily be explanations for that like they just liked another team that they moved up and knocked Oregon down instead. But these are the ones who, like you said Ole Miss up Oregon down. If I don't mention where they moved them, they only dropped Oregon one spot. But there are some that dropped them multiple spots for winning on the road against a top 20 team. Craig Stevenson, who moved Ole Miss up and then moved Oregon down from five to eight for winning David Paschel, Javon Edmonds, Josh Furlong, Kirk Bowles, who moved Oregon from 6 to 8 Mike Hill, who moved Oregon from 6 to 8 Pete Yanity, Spencer Ripchick, who moved Oregon from 6 to eight Tom Murphy, who moved Oregon from 6 to Eight and Steven Means. Gentlemen, I need to know why the win was so unimpressive that you all decided to move Oregon down while simultaneously moving Ole Miss up for beating an FCS team. I would really like an explanation for that because I can't find one. Unless you just really had the Citadel high and your power ratings going into the weekend, it does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense to me. And I would also ask because if you look at where some of these voters are from, there's a certain geographic footprint for half of them. Now, Missouri was ranked 19th going into the week in the AP poll. Had Texas A and M gone on the road and beat Missouri by three, would you have moved Texas A and M down out of your top three? I'm just wondering, because that's what you did to Oregon. You move them down two spots for winning. I. I'm just confused.

[Tom Fornelli]

So, all right, do we think this is basically SEC bias or.

[Chip Patterson]

Or. And.

[Tom Fornelli]

Or do we think this is them trying to match their votes to what the playoff rankings had? Because the playoff rankings had Oregon 9 and Ole Miss 6.

[Bud Elliott]

I think it's partially playoff rankings, and I honestly, I don't think it's as much SEC bias. I think it's Iowa bias. Nobody wants to think, because, remember, this is the same poll that did not actually rank Iowa last week. Week. So I think they. I think there's a feeling among a lot of voters that if you struggle to beat Iowa, which, by the way, Indiana struggled to beat Iowa, too, you're still going to get number two on your ballot. Yeah, I know. Like, but people look at Iowa and think, Iowa sucks. So if you barely beat Iowa, you can't be that good. Like, meanwhile, if you beat, like, Mississippi State and double overtime, we're not going to move you down.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, they're pulling guys off the final flag football team to go out there and play receiver. Like, no, no, no Stewart, No. Decorian. No. Gary Bryant, No Sadiq, no Right tackle Harky, who, you know, kind of kicked Penn State's ass. Like, I mean, that's, That's a good win. Like, we'll see later. They actually dropped in my playoff rating, so I had to adjust their, you know, power rating. Basically, if they don't have those guys, like, I think their chance to lose a game, but we shouldn't pre punish them for losing. Those guys, like, they went out and got the win. They ran for 250. Like, yeah, they were really physical and creative in the run game.

[Bud Elliott]

It.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, Dante stepped up and threw absolute darts. Like, that's. That's crazy.

[Bud Elliott]

In a weather game.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

It's absolute idiocy. There is no excuse for doing it. Like, if you moved Oregon down, fine, but you're moving Ole Miss up for beating the citadel.

[Chip Patterson]

So the CBS Sports 136 should be live on cbsports.com pretty soon. Texas Tech jumped ahead of Oregon in the CBS Sports 136. So Oregon moved down with a win in the Same way. But it's like. But I, to me, as I was writing up a response to the changes that the voters had put in, I was like, okay, we had Oregon at 5. Georgia passed them. You know, Texas Tech jumped them. Those, those are teams that each had wins as well, just like the Ducks. I don't agree with it necessarily, but sometimes there is an aspect of did you drop on a ballot or were you jumped on a ballot? Ole Miss is indefensible, but there are other teams that are one loss teams up inside the top 10 that if voters wanted to grab a hold of and sort of give a boost to, like, if they are sitting there with all those teams together trying to figure out how to order them, then I could understand how Oregon might lose some of those tiebreakers. I don't think it's fair. But if you had Oregon ahead of Ole Miss, then watch that weekend play out and then reverse that order, then I think that is. I think that is misguided. Extremely.

[Tom Fornelli]

I agree.

[Chip Patterson]

What do you count?

[Bud Elliott]

Okay, this is just something else I'd like to point. Out of the five voters who did both and are from the Southeast covering SEC teams, four of them also have Indiana at three, so.

[Chip Patterson]

And Texas A&M at two, I'm guessing.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Which I'm okay with, honestly, but I would argue Indiana's 10 point road win against Oregon is far better than any win and M has at this point.

[Chip Patterson]

Haters, every single one of them. Hey. What. Anything else from across? Aside from the. The egregious Citadel being more of a quality win than Iowa in the cold wind, in the cold rain, anything else from the rankings stand out to you?

[Bud Elliott]

Just one little thing. I only looked at this ballot because this person had James Madison 15th, Alex Taylor, which I've been doing a lot of work for.

[Tom Fornelli]

James. Is it the Wyoming guy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I have a lot of the beat writers memorized.

[Bud Elliott]

He's got. He's got James Madison 15th, which, you know what? Live your life. But he's got Louisville unranked while still having Miami 17th.

[Chip Patterson]

So Louisville beat James Madison and Miami. Yeah, but he's got Louisville.

[Bud Elliott]

He's got Louisville unranked, but he has James Madison 15 in Miami 17.

[Chip Patterson]

Louisville, by the way, checking in at number 19 in the AP top 25. The Miami team that lost to Louisville up at number 16. Virginia there at number 20. Though I, I will echo Bud's Saturday night comment, which as I was putting together my own rankings, I, I do think was a good thing to keep in mind that when you get to this point in the season and you have this many data points specific head to head. You know, there, there's going to be some ways where that gets broken. If it's like two teams that look exactly the same. Sure. But there's going to be some times and for me, but it was the South Florida of it all.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

I wasn't ready to punish South Florida because of the loss to Memphis. As Memphis's stock is falling a little bit. That was one thing that I was looking at. Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Tom, can I, can I read you who Alex has ranked 23rd and 24th?

[Chip Patterson]

South Florida and Memphis.

[Bud Elliott]

He's got North Texas 23rd.

[Chip Patterson]

That got blasted by South Florida.

[Bud Elliott]

South Florida 24th. So he has North Texas one spot ahead of South Florida, who. I think South Florida won that game. But what, 27.

[Chip Patterson]

It was 63 to 36. Of course, we all remember from taking the live under 99 and a half.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, boy, what a sweat.

[Bud Elliott]

Some. There's some wild ballots out there.

[Chip Patterson]

Of course. On Tuesday night, we will get our new set of college football playoff rankings. We'll be live here on YouTube. YouTube.com cover three. About 7:15ish. Show starts at seven. We'll go live around 7:15 with all of our reaction to the new rankings. But before we do that, let's find out what the picture is looking like with Bud's college football football playoff projection. What? When the Bud bot ran the model this week, this is what we got. What stands out to you and how did these teams end up getting seated?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, so some of the outcomes here. Last week it had Oklahoma winning in Tuscaloosa this weekend. So that like this time it actually had Bama beating Oklahoma. So Oklahoma is out. Ohio State remains number one. Have Indiana dropping to three with a loss there in the conference championship game to the Buckeyes. Have A and M beating Alabama there in the conference title game. So I do still project that those four are going to be your four teams that receive a buy assuming they keep winning through the regular season here. I think that's pretty automatic. If you recall, Penn State last year lost the conference title game and still got that seed. So. All right, this is where it gets kind of interesting. So Texas Tech, I do have, you know, running the table still. They have won every game that Morton has started, despite the fact that I think us on this show are, are sounding some alarms about Morton's ability to like, you know, make a run in the playoffs, given his limitations and how the offense stalls. But they have won every Game he started by 20 plus points. So I do have them crushing BYU again in the championship game. So BYU is out. I do think there's a good chance Tech jumps some of the teams that they're in front of right now if they continue to just absolutely murder everybody. Yeah, right. Like you look at this resume, they're going to have a better resume than Ole Miss. Florida is not going to be a bowl team. Right. LSU is very quickly like not going to finish. Well if you look at like think about some of these teams here. So currently they're behind Ole Miss and Georgia in the playoff ratings. Georgia has Texas and Georgia Tech left. That's the one where I'm not sure. Right. Like if Texas Tech runs it and crushes everybody and Georgia finishes 111 non conference champion Georgia will have added resume wins of Georgia Tech and Texas to their resume, which they kind of need. Right. Like right now they have at Tennessee and not a lot else.

[Chip Patterson]

Ole Miss.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's true. They debate Ole Miss home. You're right. Okay, so I think this is where I think it gets tricky. Like Georgia might get the five, but I'm confident Texas Tech will jump Ole Miss because almost doesn't have anything left on the resume left to add. Like they finish with the Gators and, and the Egg Bowl.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean assuming that the team they play in the Big 12 title game is a of the quality variety, then you're talking Utah, BYU and the Big 12 runner up. Those are three like top 15 caliber wins.

[Tom Fornelli]

Exactly. I will say I think there is some chance Texas Tech actually does jump them because they, they have the big time road win at Utah, which the committee still respects a whole lot. You know, if BYU runs the table then they will have two wins over BYU team that lost to nobody else. Right. And so BYU will remain, you know, ranked pretty highly. Again I did lower Oregon's power rating with the absence of all those pass catchers and the right tackle. And so I actually in this time USC beats Oregon and Iowa to get into the field here. So USC at 9, Oregon at 10, Ole Miss at 7. That'd be a hell of a game. By the way, Ole Miss hosting Oregon in the Grove as the seven seed. I don't do the rematch like, like I don't adjust for rematches here. Right. I just what it spits out, I run it. I personally think the committee probably does endeavor to not have rematches. Right. Like especially like this Georgia Tech at 11, Georgia at 6 type thing. Are they really going to run that back in Athens after we Just saw that literally not two weeks ago in a calendar sense, but two weeks ago in the football calendar set. So I would be a little skeptical of that. So maybe they play some games and, you know, maybe for that reason, Georgia's 5 and Texas Tech 6. Right. And you send. You send Tech to. To Lubbock to play Tech and. And Georgia gets to host USF or something like that. And then, of course, the other rematch they need to avoid here, if they want to do it, is USC heading to South Bend again to play Notre Dame, which I do think it's a home playoff game at this point.

[Bud Elliott]

The one thing we don't know yet as far as, like, Texas Tech being 5 is we know the committee is going to value strength of schedule, but are they going to value it as a tiebreaker if you have similar records, or are they going to say, well, Texas Tech's 12 and 1 and you're 11 and 2, so we're putting Texas Tech ahead of you? So, yeah, that. That's why I think, yeah, Texas Tech can be five. And if Georgia loses once in the regular season and then loses to Alabama in the SEC Championship or Ole Miss loses in the SEC Championship, I could see them falling behind a two or one loss.

[Tom Fornelli]

Texas Tech, I. I would agree.

[Bud Elliott]

Or, sorry, they lose a M, not Alabama.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right. And then, of course, you know, USF gets the G5 seed here, but I think North Texas and JMU are the others who are, like, seriously in the mix there. Oh, there's probably four or five more who are not completely eliminated.

[Chip Patterson]

San Diego State might have hurt its chances with the loss at Hawaii over the weekend.

[Bud Elliott]

How dare you.

[Tom Fornelli]

Unfortunately, I agree.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah, probably.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. But I mean, they're still sitting at the top of the Mountain west standings. So come on, let's. Let's go Aztecs. Go get a trophy. Make it a trophy season. So the thing that's super interesting, you called out the usc, you know, beats Oregon. One of the pieces that we had when we were looking at the College Football Playoff picture for the Big Ten was that so many of those teams in Iowa, USC, or Washington, if they were to crash the College Football Playoff, it would involve beating Oregon. So we've scratched Iowa off the list, but now Oregon is still sitting here so that even if they take a loss to USC or Washington, Washington wouldn't help because of the Washington loss to Wisconsin.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right.

[Chip Patterson]

But the door is open for Oregon to take one more loss and still make the College Football Playoff. It probably needs to be usc, you.

[Tom Fornelli]

Know, but timing, injury, excuse not excuse, but like injury justification. And you bounce back and meet Washington if you get the guys back healthy. Right. If I'm Oregon, I'm also putting out. Like, hey, these guys are not out for the season. Right? Like, they're very likely to be back in the playoff. And I'm starting to message that now. Whether that's true or not, just lie about it.

[Chip Patterson]

I heard Evan Stewart will be back for the playoff.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's what the chat says. Interesting thing here from Shoot. If you guys had. If y' all have emoji or what do they call? Avatars. If you put avatars on your YouTube page, it makes it much, much easier for me to find it. You know, like, hey, this guy. This guy had a purple circle with a letter. Is. Is hard to find, but not thyself, not truth says, if Oklahoma loses to Bama, what is Ole Miss's best win and how are they not being punished for 4 non power 4 games this season? That's beyond pathetic scheduling. That's kind of a fair point. Like, if OU loses to Bama, they do play lsu, right? So, like one of those teams is going to pick up a win, but somebody's finished 8 and 4 and somebody's finished 75.

[Chip Patterson]

I think you can look at Ole Miss and be like, that's a good team.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

But there is a chance that, yeah, they could finish the season without a win against a ranked team. Although I think Oklahoma would be ranked no matter what at this point.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Gets ranked.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Because they only have to rank one G5 team.

[Tom Fornelli]

So. Yeah. Okay. Again, they. They rigged the back end to justify the top end. I think we have. Like, that's not even conspiracy at this point. Right. Like, we think that's real.

[Chip Patterson]

What?

[Tom Fornelli]

Definitely they rigged the back end to justify the top end. Like, there's actually no reason to rank 25 teams in a 12 team college ball playoff ranking.

[Chip Patterson]

That's disrespectful. I can't. You know. Would you say that to Chris Alt's face if I. If I had Chris Alt right here. Legend, Legend of the coaching industry, you would do that. You. You would say to his face, I don't believe the work that you are.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay, so here, here in this Veterans Day week, you would look retired United states Air Force Lt. Gen. Rich Clark in the eye, the executive director of the College Football Playoff on Veterans Day week. You would look somebody who served this country, Rich Clark, the executive director, the College Football Playoff, and you would say on Veterans Day week, you would say that you believe that this is a fraudulent process.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, who better to organize distraction, misinformation campaign than a distinguished member of our military? Think about how. How do we pull off D Day? Right?

[Bud Elliott]

That's a great answer.

[Chip Patterson]

I just, you know, they got stuff going on right now, man. You know how hard it is to manage being the sitting athletics director at a place like Baylor or Arkansas, at Virginia and Nebraska when you're trying to, you know, get everything that Matt Rule needs. Come on. Like, they are going in there. They are, Mike. Mark Dantonio, Mike Riley, Chris Alt, Jeff Long. They are putting time out of their day to rank these teams. Respect the process.

[Tom Fornelli]

All right, so do we want to do, like, the teams that are actually legitimately still alive for this and what. Like, what the path is?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

All right, so Oklahoma, Texas very much live right.

[Bud Elliott]

If.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, you beats. If OU beats Bama, they're probably also good enough to beat lsu.

[Bud Elliott]

They're going to get in.

[Tom Fornelli]

If OU beats Bama and loses close to lsu. I think there's maybe some real small argument there. Probably not Texas.

[Chip Patterson]

Whoa. If OU beats Bama but loses close to. I think losing to LSU at that point, you know, talk about timing. The dead LSU team late in the season would make it very, very tough.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oklahoma, it's essentially the Oregon losing to Washington argument. Yeah. So that makes sense. There are some models out there that think if Texas splits at. At Georgia and hosting A M that they're in. I don't agree that, like, with the certainty of that assertion, but I think there is some chance that if they get a split, especially if, like, one's a close loss and they find a way to blow out somebody else. North Texas, as we mentioned, is still very much in. I don't know that I see the Miami Pat. Like, I don't know I see the Miami path happening, but there's certainly a path like Vegas is wherever they're only plus 350 to make, which is like, they're ahead of teams like Vandy, Michigan, Tulane, smu, Cincinnati, Duke, you know, pit, Louisville, Virginia. It could happen. Like, if the ACC keeps ACC itself, then the committee is like, thank God we can just put Miami and they're 10 and 2. Like, they're actually like a legitimate team, even with their flaws.

[Chip Patterson]

What if the pit panthers are 10 and 2 in.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, pit is absolutely. Like, they. There's a chance.

[Chip Patterson]

Because by the way, PIT getting to 10 and 2 means that they've defeated Miami, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech, I think.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right? Yeah, yeah. Like that.

[Bud Elliott]

That.

[Tom Fornelli]

And then you could definitely do one.

[Chip Patterson]

Run for the ages if that we.

[Tom Fornelli]

Were starting the wrong quarterback type thing, you know.

[Chip Patterson]

So my, here's my thought on my on path is that Miami has, thanks to the win against Notre Dame and the potential to be 10 and 2 at the end of this, Miami has a can emerge from the wreckage path. Like they need everything else to fall apart ahead of them.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes.

[Chip Patterson]

And then like, oh, okay, it's gotten to us now and they can walk through that door. I just say number one, it's just really tough to even think that they're going to land the plane or excuse me, it's tough to have surging amounts of confidence and then putting themselves into that position. But yes, I do agree the path is still open right now.

[Tom Fornelli]

They also Miami probably needs style points. Yeah, like you need to start stomping people out like, like the Irish are doing right now. It's very clear if you believe this is how the committee works where they do the groups and then they use other factors to like basically tie break. It's very clear they do not have Miami in the same group as Notre Dame, which is outrageous, honestly. Like, given the fact that like they literally beat them on the field and the games I think should hold a lot of weight. Not, not to the exclusion of all.

[Chip Patterson]

All else.

[Tom Fornelli]

But like we were talking about Saturday night, like that should be a heavier weighted data point than just a singular game because you literally played them on.

[Bud Elliott]

The field and Miami looked like it realized that against Syracuse because I mean they were throwing touchdowns to offensive linemen.

[Tom Fornelli]

And I think that's also like, I, I think Mario and Fran Brown have like real recruiting beef which we're going to talk about today at 1 o' clock when we record the COVID through recruiting hour.

[Chip Patterson]

Mario also is not playing a style of football that lends itself to having enough possessions to really run the score up.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Chip Patterson]

So that'll be something else to watch. All right. Who else, who else do you have in. In your web of or your window of potential playoff contenders? Ones that were not on the graphic that you, you know, do have a realistic path here.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean byu, if they can pull an upset, like they got physically whipped, but also it's just one game like teams that, that they're certainly not out. It's an interesting discussion. Like, do you think BYU is out if they get whipped again by Tech? Because I do.

[Chip Patterson]

Like if they're a test, like they're.

[Bud Elliott]

Not going to get an at large.

[Tom Fornelli]

If they're 11 and 2.

[Chip Patterson]

But they don't look competitive against I guess Tech again.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, they're not it if they play Tech really close because like that line's going to be the same, right? That's a neutral site game. So like they're not gonna, I don't think you're gonna point adjust this thing more than three to take away what to attack had for home field. So like if they lose by double digits again, is BYU getting in? I.

[Bud Elliott]

No, I don't, I don't think a 2 loss BYU even if they play close to Texas Tech. All right, hey, so let's shot at getting in.

[Chip Patterson]

Let's, let's link it because it's, you know, there's always the like okay, so if this, this and happens, does this team get in well the like realistic honest response is well tell me what, what other teams are in the mix? Yeah, these things don't happen in a vacuum. It's not a green red Brazilian steakhouse tablet that tells me bring me more steak or no, I'm good. Like this is like we need to know for example. So let's link it to Miami. If BYU is 11 and 2 but they've gotten throttled by Texas Tech. Miami is 10 and 2, but guess what, that includes wins against a Notre Dame but also South Florida which might be in the playoff field. Miami in that position.

[Tom Fornelli]

So BYU, their odds to win the conference are like 20. And their odds to make the playoff are like 35, 38. If you were to kind of tease some of the juice out of what Vegas has. So there is some implied chance there that they get in as a non champ. But yeah, you're exactly right. Let me see what else here. Acc, we already talked about all this.

[Chip Patterson]

Who emerges? Yeah, who y' all figure that out. Send us your representative.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think there's some chance Tennessee gets in.

[Chip Patterson]

Ah.

[Tom Fornelli]

I know but it's not entirely insane like if you, if you crush Vandy. Right. Which is unlikely, but it's possible. And Georgia loses to what? Texas and Georgia Tech.

[Bud Elliott]

But you lost to Georgia.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right.

[Chip Patterson]

I'd rather have Utah.

[Bud Elliott]

Listen, we are, we are much better.

[Tom Fornelli]

Odds to get in than. Yeah, like Utah can definitely get in.

[Bud Elliott]

Okay, we are a Vandy podcast. Barton, if you're riding the lawnmower right now, take your headset off for a couple seconds here. If you're 9 and 3 and your best win is Vandy, you don't deserve to be in the playoff.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, that like the schedule that Tennessee had I think was very well suited to a bit of like a re reloading but not re. Like, not like, hey, like, reload to win something type year. And, you know, they. They got it correct. Yeah. Utah definitely could still get in.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay. I'm just like, I'm grabbing other teams that I'm saying if the committee was trying to decide between these two teams at the very end of this, like, if Tennessee is a sixth SEC team in this playoff field.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, God.

[Tom Fornelli]

There's like 30 teams that are legitimately, like, not crazy pants to discuss them as getting in.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, sure. And say the line, bud. And that's what makes this awesome.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's what makes. That's right.

[Chip Patterson]

There you go.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, they're. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. Anything else?

[Tom Fornelli]

I think that's pretty much Memphis's path is tough now, by the way. Like, for sure.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. So the ua, because they. They are on the outside of the conference title.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right Picture.

[Chip Patterson]

So it's going to be really tough to get in there. UAB lost. Heard him bad right now.

[Tom Fornelli]

I do think, like, just one thing to take away from. From this segment, the. The amount of, like, mental gymnastics they're going to need to do to avoid rematches, if that's actually the goal in the first round, might be pretty high.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

Like you can't fire Mark Stoops now, right? Quarterback is looking better. You don't spend any money on football.

[Bud Elliott]

Biggest win over Florida in like a thousand years.

[Tom Fornelli]

The buyouts like 30 something million due basically immediately.

[Chip Patterson]

Maryland lost.

[Bud Elliott]

They don't have the money.

[Chip Patterson]

Michigan State don't know.

[Tom Fornelli]

Maryland should keep Mike Loxley and use any money that they're going to spend on those young D linemen and keeping Malik and supplementing around him. Like you might get a better coach than Mike Locksley. You are not going to get a better quarterback and defensive line young combo than you have right now Sorry, Michigan State. They play what, Penn State this weekend on cbs. That's right. If you get buzz sawed by, by the zombie Penn State team, that's probably.

[Chip Patterson]

Bad, but I don't know about Florida State. Still not gonna be till the end of the year.

[Tom Fornelli]

It might, I mean it could be earlier, but we'll see. This is the last home game of the year. Yeah. And then they had on the road for a couple.

[Chip Patterson]

I wasn't totally comfortable with. I wasn't totally comfortable with the. The amount of coverage there was that was like. Click here for the latest on Mike Norvell. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't realize House projects we are caulking today. Okay, but that. So that was just maybe an emotional response to a double digit loss to Clemson.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean I think it's like, do you have your ducks in a row? Who's gonna make fire? Like, is Mike Alford tied to Mike Marvell? Like, look what Keith Carter did at Ole Miss, right? He's like, hey, we're gonna put a pause on all this stadium construction and facility stuff and we're going to invest in our roster more. And you know, some other schools have been very, very forward thinking on nil. Right. Like, look at Tennessee with the Adidas deal. Look at Auburn, you know, moving a game to be able to pay more players out of the increased rev share number there. I think Alford has been very like regressive in terms of, you know, nil. So like, is that the right guy to lead the program forward? I don't, I would have my doubts, but got to figure it out.

[Chip Patterson]

We haven't had a real conversation.

[Tom Fornelli]

I did say like, I'm not doing no cast. If they run it back with Mike, like we'll just, we'll take the fall off and come back with him. New coach. Like, this is. I just, it's not fun anymore at all.

[Chip Patterson]

Did you know there's a Carolina Panthers podcast that did that? Now they've become main characters in the world.

[Tom Fornelli]

People thought I was joking. Like, I'm not. Like, I got better things to do with my time.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Meow Mix said that they were going to take care of their families instead of follow this horrendous Panthers team. Then the Panthers ran off like three wins in a row.

[Tom Fornelli]

Josh Carter thinks that Tennessee would beat the ever loving blank out of Utah. I've been wondering if Josh Carter is a Tennessee fan. Like, or is he just like a fan of some random SEC team? Because he seems to like complain every time we talk about a Non SC team and then, yeah, I don't think about it. Tennessee would not dog walk Utah, guys. Not a chance.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay, so what about jobs being filled? Do you think Virginia Tech is filled before Thanksgiving?

[Bud Elliott]

I don't know. I know that they're was a lot of kind of positive vibes coming out about that job, but I also wonder why it hasn't been filled yet then. Like, I feel the person that is the leading candidate for that gig is still kinda seeing what else is out there.

[Tom Fornelli]

That would make some sense.

[Chip Patterson]

I. If, if they don't get that leaning, if they don't have a press conference with that leading candidate walking out there soon, you might have wonder, you might have lost him to the market.

[Tom Fornelli]

Maybe they can't do it like a press conference because they have the NDA.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, we'll. We'll see. Hey, listen, if, if, if the James Franklin smoke and the, you know, all the back and forth does not end up landing, you know, James Franklin could still do tv. You know, James Franklin has a lot of really, really good options and he might have had great conversations, like great conversations that Virginia Tech people then got really excited about, you know, but I wouldn't throw on that tux yet until, you know, until you know that they're coming to the altar. So we'll see. We'll see if they're able to land it. There are other good options, including in the state of Virginia, but those are probably competing for conference championship and, and that would then be a different timetable.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, Jamie. Okay. I was thinking Ricky, Ronnie.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, maybe I would.

[Tom Fornelli]

But like, I don't think they're gonna hire another guy off the Penn State staff.

[Chip Patterson]

I understand.

[Tom Fornelli]

Again, I think that's probably bad process. Just because you work somewhere doesn't mean that's exactly the format you run.

[Chip Patterson]

I think Chesney clearly has a program and he has taken it from level one to level two. And so, yeah, you give them the chance to be able to go from level two to level three and, you know, hopefully. I think the advantages of James Franklin are that he can help you as a university and institution understand how to invest all this new money. You know, tens of millions of dollars flowing in. I, I don't know if you guys knew this, but there's another school in the ACC that got a big investment and it's crazy. I don't know if the money was spent well. Yeah, I don't know. It's. It is possible that Virginia Tech could benefit from having someone with the experience of running a big boy program to be able to help them put those program. Yeah. Anyway, Virginia Tech obviously, you know, sort of sitting in the wings there. We'll see what happens over the next couple of weeks. That's the only job being filled that I think I've got on my radar.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Unless somebody goes way outside the box. Urban Meyer, like if Arkansas realizes they're not going to get some of these guys, like do they get Silverfield? Gruden, please.

[Bud Elliott]

Gruden, please, please.

[Tom Fornelli]

Dude, that would be nice.

[Bud Elliott]

Tell you what, man, I love this SEC football.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

I can't do a good impression. I'm sorry.

[Chip Patterson]

I. I can feel his enthusiasm, you.

[Tom Fornelli]

Know, But I don't want to come out in. In Fayetteville.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, they have to.

[Chip Patterson]

Have to. Yeah. Come on.

[Bud Elliott]

I would bet so probably have two.

[Chip Patterson]

Did you see Butch Jones ran out of the tunnel and was furious about the home crowd in Jonesboro to which the response was about the hunting calendar.

[Bud Elliott]

It's modern gun season.

[Tom Fornelli]

The Hooters in Fayetteville, Arkansas is permanently closed. The property where it used to be located, the Shiloh Drive near the northwest Arkansas mall, was sold in 2022 to a developer who plans a mixed use product.

[Chip Patterson]

I can tell you what the mixed uses are. Cold beers on that side.

[Bud Elliott]

This country has gone to, I tell you.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. So we'll, we'll. Of course we'll keep. Keep our eyes closely peeled on the coaching carousel. Those were the brilliantly boring wins of the week brought to you by PNC Bank. Brilliantly boring since 1865 Brilliantly boring since 1865 is a service mark of the PNC Financial Services Group Inc. PNC Bank national association member fdic. And for this week's brilliantly boring win of the week, I wanted to highlight a team that did not need a single offensive touchdown in order to log one of the most significant results of week 11. That would be the Wake Forest Demon Deacons. Three field goals, two of them of the very long variety and one 88 yard punt return touchdown to be 16 to nine winners in Charlottesville against the Virginia Cavaliers. And that has Jake Dickert squad bowl eligible. Dickert said after the game, a lot of y' all didn't think we would be bowl eligible. And here we are at six and three. Wake is bowling now. He's brought in a lot of this built in the darkness. You know, he's got a lot of messaging. But bud, to me, this Wake Forest team, they are about keeping it simple. They're about playing rock solid defense. They're about not making mistakes. And when they do play that mistake free game, which they haven't done all season, but they certainly did against Virginia. They let the game come to them. What has impressed you this season but also just in general about the Demon.

[Tom Fornelli]

Deacons, I think like the great teamwork they show on defense, the way they swarmed the ball. They seem to have great buy in on the defensive concept that they are using there under Jake Dickert. You know, offensively it's very up and down week to week but as you said, they won a game without scoring decent touchdown. Also, like I think everybody else in the ACC who has played UVA is quite jealous because UVA finally like Wake finally caught all the fumbles that uva does. And uva, I don't think they'd lost a fumble to this point in the year. So they were like, like one of the luckiest teams in the country. But nice job by Wake finally putting us out of this Virginia misery.

[Chip Patterson]

Well, and look, Chandler Morris gets knocked out of this game in the second quarter. Significant. Danny Kalin comes in and the offense is very different when you go from a 12th year senior to a freshman. So that played a role. But again for Wake Forest they put themselves in that position and now they've got Homecoming weekend this coming Saturday and everybody who's coming back to Winston Salem gets to do so. Knowing that it looks like they have yet another solid ball coach in Winston Salem for Wake Forest. I don't Jim Grob to Dave Claussen to Jake Dickert. They haven't missed. I mean early on Jake Dickert, but certainly a good hire here in year one.

[Tom Fornelli]

What's good y'? All? It's Vaughn Miller, Super Bowl MVP Sagmaster, and now your host of Free Range. This is where NFL meets Real Talk. Every week I'm bringing you inside the game from locker room room stories to leaguewide headlines. You want football iq, locker room insight and real conversations with the people shaping the league. Welcome to Free Range with Von Miller, where nothing is off limits and every down counts. New episodes every Wednesday. Listen and follow Free Range with me, Von Miller, wherever you get your podcast.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

Are found.

[Chip Patterson]

Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. And every single Monday we like to go under the hood. It is one last time to clean out the notebook from the week that was we call it. Upon further review, there were terrible calls. Do you want to go ahead and jump in after further review? After further review. The further review. All right, I'll go ahead and grab the wheel. Get this thing started. How would you grade Mike Bobo's 2025 so far? Because as I was going back to review some of Georgia's, some of Georgia's performance against Mississippi State and really take a step back to consider where this Bulldogs offense had been. I wondered and made a little note. Mike Bobo obviously is a character for the COVID 3 tailgate as they continue to bring him up and promote him for every head coaching job that's open. But I kind of think Mike, I kind of think Mike Bobo might deserve either some flowers or at least he might be having an underrated, solid season leading this Bulldogs offense.

[Bud Elliott]

Royals award.

[Tom Fornelli]

Please. Just for the bit. Yeah, I think, I think he is having a nice year, man. Like they, they had some offensive line shuffling, you know, throughout the year, guys getting a little healthier, maybe some of like the freshmen coming into form, you know, like they, they're playing some young guys on the line who are pretty nice and the weapons are much better on the outside this year. But I think they scheme it up pretty nice. They understand like Stockton strengths and weaknesses. I, I, yeah, I think he's doing a fine job.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I, I think Georgia fans probably owing him apology.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's also hard to follow Todd Monken.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, Todd.

[Tom Fornelli]

Or Jeff.

[Chip Patterson]

Wait, no, Jeff.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes, it is hard to follow Todd Monkin.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, all those Monkins look alike.

[Chip Patterson]

The offensive line shuffling is what has really stood out to me. And the fact that they've gotten that ground game cooking because that was the, that was the thing that when we were looking at last year's team, which again won the sec, and yet it feels kind of like a failure season because of the way the product look and because they were one and done in the College Football Playoff. But last year's team could not run the ball like this year's team can. And I think that's something that has been a welcome change. And, and that is coaching, that is health, that is availability, that is performance. Chauncey Bowens obviously a big part of that as he has continued to really step up and be one of the, one of the top ball carriers in that backfield. But I, I think that coming out of that week and as we are preparing for Georgia, Texas, Georgia, Georgia Tech. You know, this really colossal finish to the season for the Bulldogs, I thought that, I thought that this Mike Bobo and this Georgia offensive have definitely done a good job of taking steps forward from where they were last season.

[Tom Fornelli]

I would agree.

[Bud Elliott]

Upon further review. For me, I already went over Ole Miss's game. We didn't touch that on Saturday. That was fantastic. But a game that was going on while we were doing the show. Nebraska beats UCLA 28, 21. I did mention on the show because they were interviewing TJ Lateef on TV and I saw a stat line. 13 of 15 for 205 yards and three touchdowns. That's a hell of a theory. That's a hell of a debut for a true freshman on the road. But what I didn't realize at the time, and I had to see the box score afterwards, is the guy who, and you can go check my old tweets. I was saying all year, Nebraska needs to hand the ball off to a lot more often. They should just run the ball because the guy's pretty damn good. Emmett Johnson. All right. 28 carries, 129 yards and a touchdown. Three catches for 103 yards and two touchdowns. Emmett Johnson is one of the better running backs in the country, and he has not really gotten any attention for it. All season long, so. Oh, well. Came for him.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. I know I. I saw some attention. It came from those four or five UCLA cheerleaders in the background of that touchdown shot that are all going. Oh, you know the photo I'm talking about.

[Bud Elliott]

He's turning some heads.

[Chip Patterson]

He was. Yeah. Emmett Johnson crossing the goal line and all the UCLA cheerleaders. Like, one of the cheerleaders is doing the true. Oh, no, because Nebraska is scoring a touchdown. The other cheerleaders are doing. Oh, you know, it's. You know, he's good for. Good for Emmett. You know, Beto is a great, great trip to Los Angeles.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you're gonna be there, might as well enjoy it, right?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Bud Elliott]

What are our thoughts on UCLA moving from the Rose bowl to SOFI Stadium?

[Tom Fornelli]

This is happening.

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Sounds like it's very much happening. Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, when?

[Bud Elliott]

Next year maybe? They're. They're getting out of their lease.

[Tom Fornelli]

Is that closer to campus?

[Bud Elliott]

It is closer to campus.

[Chip Patterson]

Well, all right. Okay. But it is still not traffic.

[Bud Elliott]

Doesn't matter because everywhere in LA is an hour and a half away. But it is closer to campus and it has more suites and all that kind of stuff that everybody wants in their stadium now and blah, blah, blah.

[Tom Fornelli]

They do not have much of, like, a collegiate feel, I guess, to them already just because it's not close to campus. So, I mean, the Rose Ball is a beautiful view. You guys have been there, right?

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Tom Fornelli]

Tom covers a Big Ten has not been to the Rose Ball. We got. All right. We got to change that one year. All right. It is, like, it's picturesque. It's really cool to, like, look down and see, like, you know, like, the. The drive in is cool.

[Chip Patterson]

Like.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like Pasadena is nice. Like, obviously, like the. The San Gabriel's in the background are great. The stadium itself's a dump. Like, it really is. So, yeah, I mean, you lose the views, but, like, it's a much better fan experience, I think it's so far.

[Chip Patterson]

So I was thinking about it like this. Biggest complaints, The Rose Bowl. It's not close to campus. It's hard to get to. We have not really solved those problems specifically by moving to Sofi. But you have just moved into a nicer place, right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chip Patterson]

I think I've been in SoFi. It's a. It's a. It's a. It is not unique, you know, it's another one. Oh, look. It's another one of these new stadiums. Right. But I do. I understand if you want to try to. At least from a. You Know, sales perspective when terms of, like, being able to really generate or activate some of those, you know, luxury suite, extra sponsorship opportunities, or if you just want to make it a little bit of a different, A different sell, literally to, to, to fans to be able to come watch college football. I get it.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think they should play their big games at the Rose bowl still.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, maybe. But I don't know. I, I do find it funny though that, like, this is all happening at the same time. You're seeing UCLA is going to buy out of its lease, which I think is going to cost like 50 million or more. So while Ross Dellinger is also tweeting about how, you know, they're going to take that money, so UCLA is going to take a bunch of money up front and use it to buy out of being in the Rose Bowl. I, I think this sport and I think the Big Ten right now are making incredibly wise decisions that will not haunt them in any way.

[Tom Fornelli]

So who do we define the Big Ten as?

[Bud Elliott]

Me, there. There are 11 teams, 12 that I define as Big Ten schools.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, I think it's a brilliant decision for UCLA, you know, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois. No, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, probably Iowa. You know, if we're being honest here, like, all the teams that would be screwed if the top teams broke off.

[Bud Elliott]

It's.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's a way to like lock the top teams in who carry the ratings for another decade. Like, I think it's brilliant. Purdue. Right. Thank you, Chat. It's brilliant by them.

[Chip Patterson]

It also extends the grain of rights.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's exactly the thing. Like the money's. The money's one thing, but the more it's like you get your hooks in the earners for the conference for longer. This is what the ACC tried to do when they expanded and added Stanford and Cal and SMU.

[Bud Elliott]

But I mean, why are we making 10 year plans right now anyway?

[Tom Fornelli]

Because if you see 10 years down the road, you're not affiliated with those teams. Like, you know, do you want to be the AD and the president that oversaw like a massive drop in revenue? Because the deal is done. Deals done in 2031 if they don't extend it.

[Bud Elliott]

I believe so, yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Or is it 2036 because the accuracy one.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, it's 2036.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Okay. So I don't know, man. This is. It just feels like robbing Peter to pay. Paul, how about you just don't waste money on buyouts? You don't need to give coaches and guarantees. How about you just tell the agent to go screw himself?

[Tom Fornelli]

I think that's coming in some ways.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. And so that's what I'm saying. Instead of taking this money, how about we all just get together and kind of, you know, collude against the 13 million dollar coaching salary with the 50 million dollar buyout.

[Tom Fornelli]

Because you can't hook the top teams and tether your. Like, you can't latch on to the top teams if you don't take the money.

[Bud Elliott]

They're breaking off anyway. Like why, why would you think that's gonna happen?

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I think it kicks the can down the road quite a bit.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. A lot of people making decisions that won't affect them because by the time the effects go into plan, they won't be around anymore.

[Tom Fornelli]

Exactly.

[Bud Elliott]

Nobody's in charge who thinks about the sport. They only think about how good they can make their resume. Look.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm, I'm a little confused as to why Ohio State's doing this. Like, I get why all the bottom half teams that, that don't pull ratings do this 100% like Michigan State immediately. Yes. I, I get to, I get to hook on to Ohio State and Michigan and USC and Oregon for, for 10 more years. Done. I don't care what the terms are. Like, that kicks the can down the road for me. My athletic department's not nuked.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't think they're using that money for buyouts.

[Bud Elliott]

No, they're using the money for debt that they already have from buyouts on stadiums.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, well, they've, they fat. They found themselves in some leasing issues. They found themselves with some much needed improvement projects. It's like, how are we going to be able to generate this? We're already milking our biggest donors as much as possible. It's a hell of an economic model that we found ourselves in. All right, back to the football.

[Bud Elliott]

Upon further review, economics are screwed up.

[Chip Patterson]

Let's play a little bowl or no bowl. Mississippi State. State. Mississippi State. Bulldogs, obviously coming out of the weekend after losing to Georgia, find themselves at 5 and 5. At the end of the season, they've got the Egg Bowl. Up next, they are at Missouri. So again at Missouri, then a week off and then the Egg Bowl. Need one win for bowl eligibility. Mississippi State, bowl or no bowl.

[Bud Elliott]

Bowl. As long as Brandon Walker stays the hell away from Starkville.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm gonna say noble because they got really banged up in that game. Like I had the varsity app on listening to that and I had other games on the tv. I was like, oh God. Like that guy's Going off. That guy's going off. This guy's not playing. Like they, they might be on fumes.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, good, good look right there though. Obviously Ole Miss is a. Wouldn't it be hilarious? You know, we know. I'll go ahead. What's up? Do our friends at FanDuel already have the spread there?

[Tom Fornelli]

We might actually. Yeah, they have some games posted. Not always on Mondays.

[Chip Patterson]

All right, let's. Let's keep playing. Bowler. No bowl. Bowl or no bowl for the Kansas Jayhawks. Kansas also, like Mississippi State, is at 55 and 5. Little bit of hand wringing right now as the Jayhawks have lost three of their last four. The only win in that stretch is against lowly Oklahoma State. Now things are going to be tough. Their final schedule is at Iowa State and then Utah at home. Kansas Jayhawks, bowl or no bowl?

[Bud Elliott]

I'm going to go no bowl.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm going to say both, despite my better judgment. Like, I don't think Iowa State was the better team than TCU in that game. Like that was a kind of a luck box win. And Utah away from home is different now. I think Utah is probably good enough to where they don't lose that, but like they are different away from home.

[Chip Patterson]

My two straight years of missing the postseason after that nine win season would be a rocky encore, I think for Lance Leipold, a coach that we have always sung the praises of. But at some point the results have got to be there. 42 to 17 loss, Texas Tech, 4217 loss to Kansas State, and then 2420 at Arizona over the weekend.

[Tom Fornelli]

Just, it's a real credit to what Leipold has done that we are saying that barely missing a bowl of Kansas is unacceptable. Like he's really raised the standards.

[Chip Patterson]

I, I would agree, but the money's.

[Tom Fornelli]

Come with it, so.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, they just reopened the stadium. I know that you're Kansas, so you're, you're obviously operating in a little bit of a different priority structure, but I, I think, I think that it would be fair to say that no bowl games after the nine win season would be falling short of expectations. I understand what you're saying about Kansas, big picture. But given the teams that have been in place, I think that'd be disappointing for sure.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think that's fair. I mean, the only, the only conference wins you have are Oklahoma State, which is. Oklahoma State is one of the worst Power 5 teams, like ratings wise in the last decade.

[Chip Patterson]

Right.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like really, really bad.

[Chip Patterson]

You're just not used to seeing them. Like when you look at the two teams above Oklahoma State and the two teams below Oklahoma State and power ratings.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's just right.

[Chip Patterson]

Foreign territory.

[Tom Fornelli]

Exactly.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. The Florida State Seminoles. Florida State Seminoles are 4 and 5. Three games left. Gotta win two of them. Those games are against Virginia tech at home, NC State on the road, and the Florida Gators on the road. Bowl or no bowl for Florida State.

[Tom Fornelli]

I don't have a coin. Here, let me flip some. No bowl Noble.

[Bud Elliott]

Florida State on the road this year, lost to Virginia, lost to Stanford, lost to Clemson.

[Tom Fornelli]

They are on the road more. They are 2 and 13 on the road under Mike Norvell as an underdog. Oh, now some of those. Not trying to defend Mike here, but like some of those were like he took over, you know, Covid year. Right.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, the early. That was. The thing is you, you, you. What was it his. He had a stretch where he won like 19 straight games. Then he had a horrible stretch.

[Tom Fornelli]

You know, that's it's been continuing.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Isaac in the chat responding to Bud's non stop hatred of Iowa State bowl. So Bud has to cover it.

[Tom Fornelli]

Where would we even go bowling this year? Like Shreveport's not looking great.

[Bud Elliott]

Come on.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think Shreveport lost taste in right?

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I thought they did.

[Chip Patterson]

But typically you're dealing with as somebody who's extremely well versed of the ACC bowl ties for six and six teams. You know, it's just the life we live around here. Usually you're talking military bowl. You. Annapolis is where typically the Florida State obviously might get picked ahead of that just because it's Florida State time slot champs.

[Tom Fornelli]

What about. What about the Bad Boy Mowers Bowl?

[Chip Patterson]

Is that the one in.

[Tom Fornelli]

In Yankee Stadium or the Wasabi Fenway Bowl?

[Chip Patterson]

That's another one.

[Tom Fornelli]

Not gonna get the Pop Tarts Bowl. Like they're not good enough for that.

[Chip Patterson]

Holy cow. Imagine. Could you imagine the Florida State Seminoles in the Fenway bowl in late December?

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh my God. Also there is the chance that they get stuck in the. If the SEC gets a lot of teams in the playoff. Or maybe I had this reverse. If the SEC does not get enough teams in the playoff, they could end up in the Birmingham bowl against the American Conference.

[Chip Patterson]

Hell yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Also the. The sun bowl on cbs. Yeah, that's an awesome bowl.

[Bud Elliott]

Still, Brad, Jenny will be there.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. I mean, you think Georgia Tech usually gets sent to the Sun Bowl. Miami usually gets sent to the Sun Bowl. It really is like more of a brand than necessarily. We're trying to sell the tickets to your fan base. Type situation.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's exactly. All right, so that's probably. Sunball is probably not going to happen. There's also the Gasparilla bowl. The Union home mortgage gas for a little bowl in Raymond James.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh yeah, Pirates.

[Tom Fornelli]

All right.

[Chip Patterson]

Clemson Tigers, bowl or no bowl, the Clemson Tigers are 4 and 5 after the win. Now remember Dabo Sweeney at the beginning of the season said, well, maybe we do have a bad season. Maybe we go 6 and 6. Can you even get to 6 and 6? That's the question for the Tigers, whose remaining schedule is Louisville on the road, Furman at home, South Carolina on the road. So Clemson needs to win two of those bowl with Columbia.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean they might win all three. The the D lines playing pretty well. Louisville and South Carolina have God awful offensive lines.

[Chip Patterson]

Winning.

[Bud Elliott]

I'm gonna say no bull.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like I think they're gonna show up and care about those like Louisville punk them last year in their own house. South Carolina is a rivalry. Like if you look at this team, they played really hard against fsu. They played really hard against lsu. They kind of mailed it in several times against the lower ACC opponents. But they do kind of have this thing where like they're still getting up for the bigger, bigger names. The question is like, does Louisville count.

[Chip Patterson]

If Clemson finishes the regular season with four straight wins and goes and wins preseason top five?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean you're not going to be. You are. You better get ready for how Dabo talks about this team and how he loved this team more than any other and it reminded him of the foundational elements of the Clemson Tigers. Five wins. Five wins to close the year and finish eight and five.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, this team made me love football again.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Tom Fornelli]

And then the NFL draft comes.

[Chip Patterson]

Well, he was like, he said he was ready to question everything right. In one of his press conferences in the last couple of weeks. He'll be ready to question nothing. Let this team win out. We're staying the course, baby. Okay, I think that's it for bowl or no bowl for right now. What? Anything else for a pun for the review?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, one thing I, I need to figure out a way to query this, but I think Virginia might have the largest gap I've ever seen in terms of AP ranking to where their FPI is among a power 14. Like there's been some weird stuff with G5 teams occasionally, but. So UVA is 50th in the FPI, so sort of a pirating out there. And they were 14th in the AP poll.

[Chip Patterson]

Like they were 14th. They're not.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, they're 14th today. Right? They were 11. Yeah. Like they didn't get. They didn't drop nearly enough.

[Chip Patterson]

They're at 20th.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, they're 20th.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, really? Okay. Like a 30 spot gap is pretty wild. I'm guessing somebody else has done this before, but I'm not sure they've done it this late into the season.

[Chip Patterson]

As a power conference team, I would assume. Ah, Arizona State maybe late last year. Sun Devil's power rating was not great late in the season.

[Bud Elliott]

No. I mean, yeah, Arizona State's 42 right now and last year's team was better than this year's.

[Chip Patterson]

Right. But I was. They were. They were not in that like started.

[Tom Fornelli]

Really low because of the fact that their 2023 was awful. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. I was just using FBI, by the way, to get an idea of where Virginia is ranked on a neutral field. James Madison would be a one point.

[Tom Fornelli]

Two point favorite over uva.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

And with uva.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, with James Madison.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, yeah. Speaking of Virginia and James Madison, common opponent Louisville there. Did you. I guess that game was. Was that after. No, it was night game.

[Tom Fornelli]

It was a night game.

[Chip Patterson]

I was gonna say, why did I not get to see Jeff Brahms comments until after the podcast, but. Yo, Jeff. Jeff Brahm is. I can't tell if he's mad specifically at Miller Moss.

[Tom Fornelli]

He threw some shade. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

If he's mad at the offensive coordinator, the coaching staff or the team as a whole.

[Bud Elliott]

Wait, wait, wait. He can't be mad at the offensive.

[Chip Patterson]

Coordinator because he is the offensive corner.

[Bud Elliott]

He's the play caller.

[Chip Patterson]

All right, well then I don't know if it's like the coaching staff or. I mean it is probably a good dose of Miller Moss, but a little bit at the defense as well. I mean, he just. He was talking about his team, not as in a. This is an isolated incident. I can't believe we screwed the pooch. He talked about it as though the failures against Cal were all the things he's been seeing all coming to the surface.

[Tom Fornelli]

This is the guys I told you about this moment. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Felt like a spot.

[Chip Patterson]

I. But as we were just talking about Louisville and moving the Cards forward, it is hard to think that the team or the head coach is taking that kind of assessment of where his group is at to be like, okay, they're in a great spot and ready to fulfill all of their on paper potential.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but Louisville has Clemson this week, then they're on the road at smu. And then they finish with Kentucky. And Kentucky's playing much better these last few weeks. It's not insane to entertain the idea that Louisville finishes seven and five.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, definitely not. And for my win totals, bet I'm not really happy about this. Like, that was a pretty big loss to take on.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. See, for me, Louisville's been one of those teams that's been playing way over its skis all year.

[Chip Patterson]

I've been saying. I've been saying that I thought that their defense was doing a good job of holding things together because Isaac Brown's obviously been banged up out of the lineup against Cal, but to me, obviously hobbled. And when Moss just spams Chris Bell over and over and over and over and over and over again, they've been able to have some offense that looks really good in the box score. Yeah, but box score kings, I guess.

[Tom Fornelli]

Moss is just not that good.

[Bud Elliott]

No.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, he's a decent college quarterback who has a great play caller around him. But like, I don't think Braum can make up for like O line being really iffy.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Receiver inconsistency run game. As Chip mentioned it, a lot has to kind of like go right around him, I guess, you know, like in the NFL.

[Bud Elliott]

Kevin o', Connor, heat check with Carson Wentz. Jeff Brown called the heat check with Miller Moss.

[Chip Patterson]

You're saying a lot has to go right around Miller Moss.

[Tom Fornelli]

Correct.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Because Jeff Braum has been able to show that at times it doesn't all have to be going right for him to be able to get it across the finish line. Miller Moss, though, might be. I mean, this is. I mean, this is the head coach that had Jack Plummer playing for the ACC championship.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, he's a beat. He's a beat you with yours type of guy.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Flip the rosters.

[Chip Patterson]

So. Yeah, that it'll be interesting to track again. The Cards taking that loss, now falling into the the two loss category. Both those losses in conference play, but state of their game is not very healthy right now. All right, anything else upon further review before we get out of here.

[Bud Elliott]

It shouldn't snow in November. Why?

[Chip Patterson]

Why not?

[Bud Elliott]

It's too soon.

[Tom Fornelli]

Especially we do have a cold weather warning down here.

[Bud Elliott]

Tom, Thoughts and prayers.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. Cold weather warning. What?

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, like cover your bushes. It might be 40 degrees, I think so.

[Bud Elliott]

It was 60 degrees here last week. It's going to be 60 degrees here in like two days. But there's four inches of snow on the ground right now, so we have.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, it's.

[Bud Elliott]

Are the Lizards Okay.

[Tom Fornelli]

Should be okay.

[Chip Patterson]

Let those lizards hit the floor.

[Tom Fornelli]

Okay. So it's from 2am to 9am on Tuesday. Wind chill values of 30 degrees or less can lead to hypothermia with prolonged exposure. So, like, don't sleep outside naked, I guess, is probably something there.

[Bud Elliott]

Well, it is Florida. I'm sure there are plenty of people sleeping outside naked.

[Tom Fornelli]

Precautionary preparedness actions. What precautions should we be taking here?

[Chip Patterson]

All right. It is a very. It is a very exciting week. 12 slate on deck. And we will be breaking down the biggest games in that slate on Wednesday, 11am Eastern Time. Come and join us. We'll go inside the matchup for Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, Iowa, usc, Notre Dame, pit and so much more. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Ford. Elliott, you can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chip Underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

[Bud Elliott]

Thank you.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

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[Chip Patterson]

Get it for me.

[Bud Elliott]

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