Upon Further Review: More LSU-Brian Kelly Fallout, Rankings Reaction, Updated CFP Bracket Projection

Summary

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Cover 3 College Football: Upon Further Review – More LSU-Brian Kelly Fallout, Rankings Reaction, and Updated CFP Bracket Projection

Episode Date: October 27, 2025
Hosts: Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Danny Kanell, Bud Elliott

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Cover 3 crew dives deep into the stunning firing of LSU’s Brian Kelly, the fallout for his staff, and what it means for the coaching carousel in 2025. They debate current CFB rankings, SEC bias accusations, and share Bud Elliott’s latest College Football Playoff bracket projections. The crew also breaks down unpredictable scenarios for playoff bubble teams, notable performances around the country, and overtime strategy trends. The tone is classic Cover 3: energetic, highly opinionated, and peppered with inside jokes and friendly debate.

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Key Topics & Highlights

1. Brian Kelly’s Firing at LSU: Fallout and Implications

(02:35–18:31)

• LSU Fires Brian Kelly & Joe Sloan:
  The firing sends shockwaves, especially considering the program’s championship-caliber expectations just weeks earlier. Offensive coordinator Joe Sloan is also dismissed.

• Ego & Emotions at LSU
  Chip highlights the emotional tone in LSU’s official communications, attributing the move to more than just on-field results:
  "Stern words from athletic director Scott Woodward, who put his name on the firing with long paragraphs about. As an alum, this is not the standard that we strive to meet." (07:20 – Chip Patterson)

• Pressures of Modern Expectations:
  Danny Kanell argues that playoff expansion and the transactional nature of college football are leading to quicker trigger fingers on firings:
  "My argument the last few years was one of the side effects of playoff expansion was going to be we were going to see more coaches fired because of the playoff." (10:42 – Danny Kanell)

• LSU’s Status as a Top Job:
  The group unanimously considers LSU one of the nation’s top destinations, but worry the evolving landscape narrows the coaching pool and inflates buyouts.

• Mega-Contracts & Hiring Cycles:
  Tom Fornelli:
  "Hiring coaches is flipping coins, man. The weighted coin—if you have a really good program—but it’s still a coin flip." (09:13)

• Fan Standards vs. Reality:
  Bud Elliott notes that increased parity means even bluebloods struggle to consistently win 10+ games:
  "There will be years where you get eight wins and it’s a pretty good season, but it’s not going to appear good because of your historical standard." (15:00)

Notable Quote:

• "Stop trying to win press conferences, start trying to win games." (10:42 – Danny Kanell)

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2. Are There Enough Qualified Coaches?

(17:10–18:31)

• Debunking the “Shortage” Narrative:
  Chip pushes back against the idea there aren’t enough qualified candidates for the looming wave of top job openings:
  "I am out on the idea that there are not qualified candidates for these jobs, because there are plenty of coaches qualified to win football games when given the resources." (17:11)

• Mega-Contracts and Market Inflation:
  The consensus: programs are locked in an arms race, with LSU likely giving their next coach a mega-contract simply to 'keep up'.

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3. Rankings Reaction: AP Top 25 and SEC Bias Debate

(21:11–29:03)

• Poll Movement Recap:
  Notable changes: Texas A&M receives a 1st place vote after beating LSU, minor shuffling in spots 6–20, and debates on teams ranked on the cusp (Washington, Iowa, USC re-entering).

• SEC Bias Claims:
  Danny Kanell questions why Tennessee is so much higher than other two-loss teams given their resume:
  "Why is Tennessee 6–2 so much better than everybody else’s 6–2 and 5–2...?" (23:43 – Danny Kanell)

• Resume-Driven Ranking vs. Poll Tradition:
  The hosts debate if power ratings or on-field results should matter more, especially comparing SEC teams like Ole Miss and non-SEC contenders like Miami.

• Voter Accountability:
  The group lampoons some voters who continue to rank LSU despite recent debacles:
  "We need to do an audit over who has votes and who doesn’t and who should lose them." (28:31 – Bud Elliott)

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4. Bud Elliott’s Updated College Football Playoff (CFP) Bracket Projection

(29:03–41:13)

• New Playoff Model Results:
  Bud’s projection shakes up the bracket:

  • Texas A&M over Alabama in the SEC
  • Ohio State over Indiana in the Big Ten
  • Miami winning ACC
  • Cincinnati surprising in the Big 12
  • Multiple teams for limited at-large spots, creating a “bubble”

• “Sharpie Teams” Discussion:
  Who is a playoff lock barring disaster? The contenders: Bama, Texas A&M, Indiana, possible Ole Miss and Miami—disagreement ensues.

  "I don’t think Miami should be sharp yet. I don’t think, I don’t agree that Ole Miss should be sharp... look at the results we’ve seen this year." (33:33 – Tom Fornelli)

• Playoff Parity:
  Tom highlights the fun of so many teams still in contention:
  "How many teams we’re talking about in this segment, right? ... It’s more fun." (42:04)

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5. Playoff Bubble Chaos & Conference Scenarios

(34:10–42:18)

• Parody and Possible Carnage:
  The crew dissects what would happen if “bubble” teams in the SEC, Big Ten, and ACC win out, calling out wild card teams and spoiler-watch programs (like Pitt).

• G5 Playoff Hopefuls:
  Slight nod to AAC teams boasting better resumes over Mountain West hopefuls.

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6. Under the Hood: Week 9 Rapid Fire & Upon Further Review

(45:41–62:41)

• Kansas State the Big 12 Spoiler:
  Kansas State’s improved play could upend remaining contenders.

• Arch Manning’s Breakout:
  The hosts praise Arch Manning following a strong performance and debate its potential as a career turning point:
  "That game for Arch Manning could be a pivot point for his entire career... I think it does go a long way to a lot of the critics, naysayers... within his own locker room." (49:47–50:32 – Bud Elliott)

• Overtime Strategy Trends:
  Tom, celebrating Tulsa and UNC for going for two on their overtime second possessions:
  "If a team is taking you to overtime, you're an even team to them. If you have a two-point play, you like—go for it." (52:36–53:47)

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7. Quick Hits: Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Buying Out Coaches – The Money Arms Race:
  Referencing LSU’s $50M buyout despite the state’s prior funding threats:
  "Here we are less than a decade later and they’re just cutting checks for $50 million for somebody not to coach." (13:01 – Bud Elliott)

• Lane Kiffin Rumor Mill & SEC Human Drama:
  The gang shares Lane Kiffin’s personal factors (family, happiness in Oxford) influencing his job choices: "His daughter wanted him to stay at Ole Miss. Landry, right now, is dating aforementioned Whit Weeks, who plays in Baton Rouge..." (59:38 – Bud Elliott)

• Colorado & Deion – Second-Year Struggles:
  The panel agrees:
  "If you’re Colorado, you sign up for the Deion experience again... but I don’t know that you want that experience going forward." (58:55 – Tom Fornelli)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Brian Kelly Fallout & Carousel Start: 02:35–18:31
• Qualified Coaches Debate: 17:10–18:31
• AP Top 25 Reaction, SEC Bias: 21:11–29:03
• CFP Bracket Projections: 29:03–41:13
• Playoff Bubble/Scenarios: 34:10–42:18
• Houston’s Big Win & Coaching Job: 43:52–44:16
• Week 9 Recap & Overtime Strategy: 45:41–53:47
• Arch Manning Discussion: 48:47–51:03
• Michigan Concerns, Coaching Openings: 55:46–57:14
• Lane Kiffin Rumors, Human Factor: 59:38–62:49

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Notable Quotes

• "Ego is driving a lot of this on both sides." (07:20 – Chip Patterson)
• "Hiring coaches is flipping coins, man." (09:13 – Tom Fornelli)
• "Stop trying to win press conferences, start trying to win games." (10:42 – Danny Kanell)
• "There are plenty of coaches…maybe not qualified to win the Q score battle, but there are coaches who are qualified to win football games." (17:14 – Chip Patterson)
• "If you have a two-point play you like, your chance to score there is greater than 50%. Don’t give them the chance to run theirs. Go for it." (52:36–53:47 – Tom Fornelli)
• "That game for Arch Manning could be a pivot point for his entire career." (49:47–50:32 – Bud Elliott)
• "Our segment’s not titled how many teams can win the national title." (42:11 – Danny Kanell)

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Final Thoughts

This episode perfectly encapsulates the chaos, drama, and constant churn of college football. Whether you’re tracking firings, rooting for playoff bubble teams, or just enjoying the banter, the Cover 3 team brings clarity, humor, and plenty of strong takes. For college football diehards, it’s essential listening.

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Transcript

[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

Welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli.

[Danny Cannell]

Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott.

[Tom Fornelli]

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[Chip Patterson]

And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Bud Elliott, that's Tom Brinelli, that's Danny Cannell. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you [e-mail] cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where they're still trying to hire Mike Bobo to LSU. It's amazing. I've never seen such strong representation like agency in their passion for supporting Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo and his candidacy for other jobs. Yes, jobs are on the docket today. Lots to get to as we continue to sort through the firing of Brian Kelly by lsu, including the official dismissal for offensive coordinator Joe Sloan coming on Monday as well. Other Monday tasks we will be getting into Pole Assassin reacting to the new AP Top 25 poll. We will have BUDS updated College Football Playoff bracket projection Lots to get to there and upon further review, one more look at the week that was before we spin it ahead, but let's start with that Mel Tucker come down. Let's jump on that carousel programming note. Tomorrow we will be on CBS Sports Network at noon Eastern. That is pretty normal. However, it's gonna be a little bit of a different show topic because while we're going to touch on the coaching carousel here, we want to flesh it out. We want to have a little bit more fun digging into these topics. So tomorrow, noon Eastern time at CBS Sports Network, we will be dedicating a healthy portion, if not all, of that show to resetting the coaching carousel. The jobs that are open, of course, include lsu, Florida and Penn State. We'll also talk about the jobs that we think may open the best fits for some of those jobs and so much more. So a little bit on the coaching carousel before we get going with the rest of Monday's business, but a very special Tuesday on CBS Sports Network, noon Eastern time. You can get it later wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube.com cover3DK we got to circle up. We missed you last night circling up for the sirens with Brian Kelly being out. So I guess if you just want to go ahead and advance this to like step two, step three, what is still lingering and burning on your mind here on Monday morning when it comes to the LSU going from hey, maybe this is the best team in the country. A conversation that was had about a month ago to now all of a sudden Brian Kelly is is hitting the streets and LSU season effectively is done.

[Bud Elliott]

This would probably be my co, my approach if I was a head coach every single year. I would sandbag every single year. I'd be like, I don't know our roster. We have a lot of question marks. I. I don't.

[Tom Fornelli]

We got.

[Chip Patterson]

We.

[Bud Elliott]

We're just gonna have to overcome a lot of adversity because this is the second coach. Do you remember we were in Las Vegas and it was very similar in Atlanta at SEC media days where you had two of the most confident coaches in the country, felt great about their rosters, great about their quarterbacks, great about everything. We've got a championship ready roster and boy, when you fall short of those expectations, it happens in a hurry. So that would be just a little side note from my approach if I was a head coach. Just downplay it all like you. Hey, yeah, this is no surprise. I didn't think we were going to be any good.

[Chip Patterson]

So, yeah, you're talking about James Franklin. James Franklin, Brian Kelly, both of them.

[Bud Elliott]

Brian Kelly said it was the most talented roster he had. He said he felt great. I mean, there was a confidence that was oozing from him at SEC media day. Same way with James Franklin. We felt like there was a confidence oozing from him. Both teams top 10, both teams preseason top 10 now looking for work out there or not looking for work and just collecting paychecks. I thought it was interesting the way it sounded like all this went down ultimately. Would it have mattered much differently, like if, if Brian, if Brian Kelly would have said, sure, I'll fire Sloan, I'll fire whoever you want me to hire. I just want to survive. Probably we get to the same point in another four or five weeks at the end of the season anyway. Probably best just to rip the band aid off. I, like you guys talked about, I think it is. Goes right to the top of the list as far as best opening jobs available. So there you have it.

[Chip Patterson]

We're off. We're in the big game now, baby. LSU's open and it. And there's a long, long list. But Tom, any. Anything else here? Whether it is the, the details. The details of what it went down as it, as it has been reported was there was a contentious, you know, hey, I would like for you to fire the offensive coordinator. Well, if I'm going to fire him, then I'm also going to fire this coach. And then that did. I mean this. We talked about the emotions and how my sense was Penn State was emotional. Sounds like this got a little bit emotional. Is it reckless for me to say ego is driving a lot of this on both sides? Because stern words from athletic director Scott Woodward, who put his name on the firing with long paragraphs about. As an alum, this is not the standard that we strive to meet. I am taking action. We are starting a national search now. You know, this is, this. This certainly is one where it definitely feels like the feelings are playing a big role in this as well.

[Danny Cannell]

I mean, I think, I think hiring somebody for a job and then firing Them and saying that they were terrible at their job and not taking any responsibility for you hiring them is something that happens a lot these days.

[Tom Fornelli]

Also, like, do we think Scott Woodward is going to make this higher?

[Chip Patterson]

Possibly not.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, when they get a president, what are the odds that they don't just fire Scott Woodward?

[Danny Cannell]

I'd say it's, it's a relative possibility for sure.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, if you follow, if you follow the reporting, I think the Athletic was the one that had kind of the breakdown from Feldman of like how this kind of went down. If you're bk, you probably don't want the AD meddling in who your assistants are. I, I get it from his standpoint. And then if you're him. No, I'm not taking a reduced buyout. Like, I, I left, I, I left a pretty good gig at Notre Dame to come here. In part because you money whipped me. Also in part because you can recruit better at LSU if you're doing a good job, which I think now he is. Like the last two years, certainly, yes. The first two years. No. I mean, if you look at 247 ratings of the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 9, they have six of the nine players in the state rated 91 or better committed LSU, like they, they beat Texas A M for Lamar Brown. Like, who's, you know, very likely the best player in the country. Non quarterback division. Like, they've been doing a good job of locking down the state in the last 18 months or so. The first two years they did not. Right. And I think a part of that is because they weren't really, they did not have their act together in the nil game. I think this is still a really good job. Obviously, like top three, top five. We can debate that more on tomorrow's, you know, CBS Sports Network show. 12 o' clock Eastern on CBS Sports Network. Yeah, I, I don't know where you go from here. I, I think probably big swings that also kind of hamstrings you in some ways. Like if they don't want a Midwestern guy, that kind of narrows your pool. Right. If you don't want any kind of guy from the G5, that narrows your pool. If you have to go established head coach, that also narrows your pool at some point. Like you're, you're limiting yourself quite a bit and maybe you can get it right. But like, hiring coaches is flipping coins, man. The weighted coin. If you have a really good program, but it's still a coin flip.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah. Stop trying to win press conferences, Start trying to win games. Yeah. Find the coach that you think will actually win games for you? I Do you guys think at all that with Franklin, with Kelly and Danny, you mentioned like the expectations, like I. My argument the last few years when I wasn't crying about expansion happening to begin with was one of the side effects of expansion in the playoff was going to be we were going to see more coaches fired because of the playoff. If this is a four team era, are LSU and Penn State both paying James Franklin and Brian Kelly 50 million to go away right now or is missing the playoff a little bit more acceptable in that era compared to now where it feels like if you're not in it, you have failed?

[Tom Fornelli]

So Penn State would have made it last year. I'm trying to think back back to last year in the team.

[Danny Cannell]

No.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I, I think, I think Franklin's still fired. I, I don't think Penn State would be cool with missing the playoff that many years in a row with what they were paying for the roster, for the coordinators, etc, but they'd missed the.

[Danny Cannell]

Playoff for the first 10 years and they hadn't fired him. So it was like what the 13th year would have been the final straw. I mean they had a terrible 2020 and I can't remember was it 2021? They weren't very good either coming out of the COVID season and they stuck through it.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you had last year though, they would not have had the chance to play a Boise. Right. And then play. Who else did they beat? It was Boise and SMU. Right. So those were sort of two wins you hung your hat on. Neither were top 15 SP plus rated teams. Right. They were good college ball teams. They were not elite college ball teams that. I think that makes his 2024 look worse in relief of that.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't know if it's the expansion of the College Football Playoff, but I do think the transactional nature of rosters and the sport itself has made it more akin to NBA firing cycles, European soccer firing cycles. Like it's just gotta shake it up. We gotta change things. Okay. Let's just go ahead and let's, let's pull the ripcord much quicker trigger across the board.

[Tom Fornelli]

The problem is the contracts you sign are incongruent with that, with that process.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, right. I just don't, I don't think it's sustainable to keep paying 50 million dollar buyouts to coaches and then hiring new staffs and then buying them out five years from now too.

[Bud Elliott]

Do you guys remember? I remember this vividly because it was kind of funny. 2016, I'll give you a headline from the Baton Rouge local paper. What is it there? The Advocate Advocate. Louisiana governor says future of LSU football in jeopardy if state doesn't raise taxes. Like, this was a state that was in such a bad place. The governor actually said we might lose college football. Now. We all laughed at it. We said, oh man. It was like a statement he was trying to make to show you how bad it was. And here we are less than a decade later and they're just cutting checks for $50 million for somebody not to coach.

[Danny Cannell]

It almost makes you wonder if the governor was just trying to figure out a way to frame a tax hike that the people of the state would have support. You kind of wonder if that was what was going on there.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. All right, so LSU was out of the College Football Playoff race in the. Okay, just going back to 22 here. They were actually somewhat kind of in it. Obviously in 2022, that was BK's first year. In 2023 they were pretty definitively out by the first week of November. Right. In 2024 they were out by I think really the first week of November for sure because Bama stomped them out. And then 2025, obviously they are out by the first week of November in a four team format for sure. Yeah, I think they would have, they would have done it.

[Bud Elliott]

Do you think so? I still think fans are having, especially SEC fans and at these power programs who are used to good coaches being 10 wins or that's it, like 10 wins, that's a rough season. But you know, we could have a season where we go 11 and 1 or 12 and 0. The parody that is here, don't forget LSU's win total was only 9 and a half. So like if they. Now granted, they're probably going to use.

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I bet him under eight and a half on the locks.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, so then even better. So that shows you like the. The reality is that 9 and 3 or 8 and 4 was a pretty realistic expectation. And yet LSU fans, now granted, you do not want to lose that way at home. That was embarrassing. I get why they made this decision, but Penn State's another one. Like, I do think the talent level is starting to spread out where you can't just roll out anybody and have nine or ten wins every single year. There will be years where you, you get eight wins and it's a pretty good season, but it's not going to appear good because of your historical standard.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think there's something to that. But everybody's playing to the same standard. And so if you're an LSU team, you do expect to be in the playoff race throughout the season. Like if you're way out of it with the month to go, I think you're pissed. And you should be.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, and vibes wise, every single time anything goes wrong. Those cameras, I mean, we caught him at the special teams coach, we caught him cussing out the offensive coordinator. We, I mean, Danny, if they kept him on every single game, was going to be like that. I mean, in our, in our work room, it was like, oh my God, give me more Brian Kelly side by side, please. Can we please just have a Brian Kelly cam like this. It was hitting the embarrassing portions where it was a sideshow and banging on the table, calling the reporters spoiled.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, it was my family fake accent from the get go.

[Chip Patterson]

If you wanted to spin together all the vibe side of this again, we are going to be going deeper on the coaching carousel for Tuesday show. Much more to get to here today on a Monday. But I need to soft launch this one because I, yeah, you, you all are trusted. And you know, before we take this to, you know, premium, premium cable television, there is a common refrain, I've seen it written, I've seen it said, that there are going to be a lot of jobs open and more or less the quote is not enough qualified candidates to fill those jobs. I find myself pushing back on that.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay.

[Danny Cannell]

There are plenty of qualified candidates.

[Chip Patterson]

Hey, I.

[Danny Cannell]

Names for your coaching list.

[Chip Patterson]

Star hires.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Home run hires.

[Danny Cannell]

Plenty of candid itself.

[Chip Patterson]

And we go through all of the coaching carousels from the last 15 years and dictate what we thought was a qualified candidate and how poorly it went and what we thought was just like settling for somebody and it ended up working out amazing. I am out on the idea that there are not qualified candidates for these jobs because there are plenty of coaches that are qualified, maybe not qualified to win the Q score battle, but there are, there are coaches who, who are Q qualified to win football games when given the resources and the opportunities that are at some of these jobs.

[Tom Fornelli]

There are not enough candidates out there to justify the mega contracts that will probably come.

[Chip Patterson]

And that might be good. So don't sign them to mega.

[Danny Cannell]

Don't sign them to a mega contract, which all four of us agree with.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, but if you're an LSU fan, you are freaking out that, that if Woodward gets the keys, he's going to do this again, right?

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, but I mean, that's the thing. If whether it's Woodward or somebody else. The next coach is going to get a huge contract, no matter who it is, simply because, well, everybody else in the SEC has got a huge contract, and I can't get my coach less than everybody else. We're freaking lsu, man, and that's what the agent's going to tell them. And then they're gonna be like, you know what? He's right. I have to give this guy 10 million a year. It looks bad on our part.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I love this. Tom Brinelli in the chat.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the guy who picked LSU to win the national title. Not me.

[Chip Patterson]

Not you. All right. Coming up on the other side, we look briefly at the new AP Top 25 poll. Just a few changes to note, then a deep dive into Bud's updated college Football playoff projection. Upon further review and more nukes. Have you heard of Gold Belly? I just love the site. They make it so easy to get the most iconic foods from all over the United States. And yes, they ship them right to your door. A few weeks ago, I decided to surprise my family with a little Lou Malnati's pizza from Chicago, Illinois. And you know what? I might have been a little skeptical. You're ordering pizza from Chicago, but it arrived perfectly packaged, it tasted delicious, the instructions were easy, and it was one of the best meals we've had together in months. My boys went wild over it, and it made our evening feel like a little food adventure to Chicago. It was something we'd never forget. Gold Belly really takes the worry out of shipping food long distances. And the quality was top notch. The experience, so fun. And it's not just pizza because they'll send you Joe's Kansas City Barbecue, Junior's Cheesecake from New York or Joe's Famous Stone Crabs from Miami. You can even order meals from world renowned chefs like Ina Garden, Daniel Boulud or Jose Andres. Basically, if it's iconic, Gold Belly can deliver it. So if you are looking for that perfect gift or want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal the next time you host, go to goldbelly.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code cover. That's goldbelly.com code cover for 20% off your first order.

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[Chip Patterson]

COVID 3 podcast among the tasks for Mondays here on the COVID 3 podcast upon further review episode is a look at the changes in the college football rankings. We call it Old Assassin. Not a lot of changes in the top 10, specifically no changes inside the top six. We did see as projected. Texas A and M picked up one single first place vote after a dominant win against LSU in Tiger Stadium. Indiana holding tight with 11. So that was an Ohio State vote that ended up flipping over the Aggies way. Some minor shuffling inside of the top 10. Then we see soft, I think landing spots. Oklahoma falls just to number 18 after taking its second loss of the season. Missouri after losing to Vanderbilt, down four spots to number 19, shuffling at the edge of the rankings as projected. We've got Houston breaking in. USC makes a return. Utah makes a return after a walloping of the Colorado Buffs. Good gracious. And Memphis of course replaces South Florida after beating South Florida. That means South Florida is out though not too far. They are down there at 36378 30th in voting points. Iowa and Washington. Tom no respect. No respect for for Iowa and Washington as they they finish at 27 and 28 respectively. Any any big issues with what's going we talked a lot during tomorrow's top 25 today on Saturday night about the edge of the rankings. Disappointed there with what you see or do you understand the voter's behavior?

[Danny Cannell]

I I'm disappointed with plenty of things. I have more questions than disappointment though. Like Washington I think should be ranked. I do find it funny that usc, a team that has lost two of its last three games and did not play last week, suddenly climbs back into the pole off of the their performance.

[Chip Patterson]

In practice, but still behind the Michigan team that they beat.

[Danny Cannell]

The Michigan team that they beat. But like I I feel like Washington should be ranked. I think Iowa should be ranked, but at least I understand why Iowa's not ranked. Because if you look at the resume like they their best win was Minnesota. And so if you're basing it off resume, fine. But you know, as somebody who's more how you play than who you play, I feel like I was one of the 25 best teams in the country Right now. But I, I have questions for you guys that I would, I would wonder if you guys could give me answers for.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay, I can try.

[Danny Cannell]

All right, so Tennessee is 14 and then there's not another two loss team until Oklahoma at 18. So why is Tennessee 6 and 2 so much better than everybody else's 6 and 2 and 5 and 2 when the teams that Tennessee have beaten are Syracuse, Eastern Tennessee, uab, Mississippi State, Arkansas and Kentucky?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I, I don't get this one. I would love Missourian with their Tom.

[Bud Elliott]

Absolutely.

[Tom Fornelli]

Missouri's beaten a Kansas team that is nothing special and a South Carolina team that's not going to make a bowl. That, that's some pretty clear SEC bias showing up in the polls. Now look, if you're a voter, you may push back and say, okay, I, I think that they are much better teams than this Virginia team, which is like a complete luck box. And it's probably like, do any power ratings have UVA even in the top 30?

[Danny Cannell]

Some do.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay, like, I mean Virginia lost the success rate battle to North Carolina.

[Danny Cannell]

They did.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, right. Exactly.

[Chip Patterson]

Freaking banner. Eight super bowl rings and one success rate win for Bill Belichick.

[Tom Fornelli]

But is Tennessee's resume better than Missouri's?

[Chip Patterson]

I.

[Danny Cannell]

Not the same. But it's resume loss season. Like, hey, you lost good laws. So we're gonna rank you in the top 15 because another one that goes the same way, like, and this is one where you can look at power ratings and the team that's ranked below in the opinion poll is ranked ahead in most power ratings. Why is Ole Miss so much better than Miami? Is beating Oklahoma that much more impressive than beating Notre Dame? Both of their losses have come to six and one teams. So why is there such a wide gap between the Rebels and the Hurricanes?

[Chip Patterson]

I think Ole Miss beating Oklahoma on the road is more impressive than beating Notre Dame at home.

[Danny Cannell]

So. All right.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

So When Oklahoma finishes 7 and 5, will you still feel that way?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes, I. Yeah, I think. Oh, you schedule is two losses harder than Notre Dame's.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

All right, fine.

[Chip Patterson]

We're split. That's splitting hairs. I don't think that's an SEC bias. I think that's, I think that is an overreaction to Ole Miss going into that game.

[Danny Cannell]

So an Ole Miss team that has not won an SEC game by more than one score is, is more impressive to you than Miami because that eight point win over Oklahoma is their biggest win of the season from a score differential as far as against other SEC teams. And they've played Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU and Oklahoma. But Ole Miss, they beat Washington State by three.

[Chip Patterson]

Ole Miss hasn't no showed.

[Danny Cannell]

They no showed against Washington State.

[Bud Elliott]

When did Miami no show.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, Miami no show against Louisville.

[Bud Elliott]

But that, but that was a good team. Like that's not a no show. That's a really good football team. And their quarterback through four picks.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

And they still almost, still almost won the game.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, look, the no show against Washington State, you could probably say is a choice.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, they risk.

[Danny Cannell]

They beat Florida by 11 more points than any other SEC team that Ole Miss has beaten.

[Bud Elliott]

And Bama has some really good wins, but that loss is by far the worst loss of any of the one loss teams. And it's just so in the rear view. It's like, ah, doesn't even matter. Doesn't even matter. It's beyond. At that baffles me how. Because I, you know, put out mine and I had Miami ahead of Alabama and they were all upset like, oh, look at all these wins that Alabama has. I said, well, they do have a common opponent. And on the same field that we saw one win convincingly and one get beat by two touchdowns.

[Tom Fornelli]

I don't know.

[Danny Cannell]

It's look to be clear, like, I, I'm not arguing that Ole Miss shouldn't be ranked seventh. I'm fine with Ole Miss at seven. I just don't understand why there's seven in Miami, like 10th. They have very similar resumes to me and I would argue Miami's is slightly better. So it's, it's more. Why is Miami so underrated by voters? Is it because they all watched him lose to Louisville, but they didn't really watch Ole Miss against Kentucky and Arkansas.

[Bud Elliott]

Did they go to bed at halftime?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

Maybe because it was 7. 7 at halftime. And you're thinking, oh boy, Miami's gonna lay an egg. But you know what good teams do? They score 35 unanswered in the second half.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

We get one final question, huh? I'll shut up. Why are Kurt Kenny and Haley Sawyer still putting LSU on their ballots? Kurt Kenny has him 20th, Haley Sawyer has him 21st.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, that's a five and three team.

[Danny Cannell]

Wow.

[Bud Elliott]

We need to do a, an audit over who has votes and who doesn't and who should lose them.

[Chip Patterson]

Whoa, whoa.

[Danny Cannell]

Like, I mean, did that game fly under the radar this weekend or something?

[Bud Elliott]

You didn't see it?

[Danny Cannell]

You didn't hear about it?

[Tom Fornelli]

I feel like there was a lot.

[Danny Cannell]

Of stuff that came out of that.

[Tom Fornelli]

Haven'T got to it yet on the rewatch? Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Good. Great raving.

[Bud Elliott]

I think Haley covers usc, so maybe they had a bye week, so she just took the weekend off.

[Danny Cannell]

The weekend off. Yeah. Okay.

[Bud Elliott]

Missed it.

[Chip Patterson]

Tough scene. All right, anything else on the rankings? All right, let's. Let's pull up Bud's updated College Football playoff projection. If you've been following us or CBS Sports on the socials, you get a chance to see this every single week. Always generates a lot of good conversation. Bud, why don't you take us through what the Bud bot spit out on this week's model?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

So this week we have A and M actually beating Alabama in the SEC championship game. So A&M gets the two spot Ohio State over Indiana in the Big Ten championship game, which might be for the Heisman, by the way, if you take a look at that, like a little say in Mendoza face off there probably, probably will be for the Heisman in my opinion. Uh, I did bama dropping to 4. I think their resume is going to be better if they are indeed 11 and 2 than Miami at that point because I think Miami runs out of quality opponents to play. I do have Miami still winning the ACC over Georgia Tech and Georgia Tech losing to Georgia. So Georgia is the seven seed, Oregon as the six seed, Cincinnati winning the Big 12. That was interesting surprise there that that came out like that. Ole Miss hosting Notre Dame in a playoff game and Tulane. Uh, actually I think the fact that you can run the model and gives like very different results. I mean like Vandy beat Missouri. Vandy was in last week and this week the model has him losing twice more. Okay, like that. That still show. We have like 25 teams for like seven spots.

[Chip Patterson]

Right.

[Tom Fornelli]

You know.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Also do I think they would actually rematch Georgia, Georgia Tech, the committee? No, but I don't really account for that in this. Right. Like that, that to me would be. They'd probably find a way to play with that a little bit.

[Danny Cannell]

Tech would probably be 11, Cincinnati would be 10.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I, I think so too. I mean. So here's a question. Who do you guys think are the sharpie teams? Like the teams that are absolutely in. Barring just insane results, like teams that are probably north of 95 at this point.

[Bud Elliott]

Bama, Texas A.

[Danny Cannell]

Your four buys in Ole Miss. Indiana.

[Bud Elliott]

Indiana and Ole Miss too. Right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, Yeah, I, I don't think I have Ole Miss there. And Bama still. I don't think they're a hundred percent. There's still some chance. Like I, I think the other three are very like in Some spots they're off the board, you know, like some spots you can't bet Ohio State, Indian or make the playoff, they're just off.

[Chip Patterson]

Ohio State, Indiana or who A M. Texas A M. And then I'm. We're willing to say who is. Do we say Ole Miss? Possibly?

[Danny Cannell]

I think so. I don't think they're gonna miss. They might lose once more, but if they lose once more, it could actually be to their benefit because then they don't have to worry about this.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, it's South Carolina, Florida, Samford or the Citadel. One of the nfcs game at home and then the Egg bowl at the end of the season. That's all they got left.

[Danny Cannell]

Watch out for Sanford.

[Chip Patterson]

Watch out for Sanford. So we, Are we saying four Sharpie teams?

[Tom Fornelli]

I think it's three. But I mean, I could.

[Chip Patterson]

Because you're not going to go Ole Miss yet and you're not going to go Alabama yet.

[Tom Fornelli]

Not entirely yet. I mean, they've played a lot of close games here. It's not insane to think they could lose two more in the regular season.

[Chip Patterson]

Danny.

[Bud Elliott]

I think Bud makes a good point. I would put Miami and Ole Miss almost in the same category.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay.

[Bud Elliott]

Which is, which is Sharpie, like, which is really close to Sharpie, barring a disaster. Because I almost feel like Ole Miss could lose in the Egg Bowl. It's a rivalry game and it was almost better for them to beat Oklahoma and get a signature win than it would be against Mississippi State. And Miami, I think, is in.

[Chip Patterson]

I.

[Danny Cannell]

Don'T see Miami's 100 in Miami.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, that's why I put him at Ole Miss. Like, I think it's. I don't think they're going to lose again.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think those teams are in like the, like, far more likely than not category. But I don't think they're like Sharpie. If you gave me like seven to one that they're, that they're gonna miss. I'm taking that.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, we are down to basically four spots up for grabs.

[Danny Cannell]

Then.

[Chip Patterson]

You were talking about 25 teams for seven spots. If we're going to throw some Sharpies out there, that's, that means we're down to like 21 teams for four spots.

[Tom Fornelli]

Wait, I, I, yeah, I don't, I, like, I don't think Miami should be sharp yet. I don't think, I don't agree that Ole Miss should be sharp. Like, like look at the results we've seen this year.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, but I, I think, though, the other way to think about it. Is five of these spots are guaranteed to conference champs. So if we look at those four buys, two of them are guaranteed. So there's only seven at large spots. So we're already taking up two of those. @ large is with Alabama and Indiana here. Then if you consider Ole Miss, that's another at large. Now you're down to four actual spots up for grabs that aren't conference titles. It's more difficult to make this thing.

[Tom Fornelli]

Than you think it it definitely. Now I think the just missed category is really interesting here. So Louisville, Michigan, Washington, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Vandy, Tennessee, Texas Tech, Utah, BYU, Houston and then from the G5 like USF, North Texas, Memphis. I I don't give JMU or any of the Mountain west teams a real shot at this. I I I'm confident it's going to be from the American just because of the the non conference scalps that the American has.

[Chip Patterson]

So am I. Memphis, Arkansas, South Florida has Florida. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Shoot. North Texas pounded somebody right in the noncon.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, but it wasn't a G, wasn't a power four.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's true. Washington State, was it Wazoo or utsa for sure.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, but that's not, that's yeah, that's.

[Danny Cannell]

Same North Texas beat Army Wazoo and yeah, I mean they got killed by South Florida. So that's the one thing where it's like I do wonder if they win, if maybe a Mountain west team could pass them.

[Tom Fornelli]

If it's the right Mountain. I think there's a good shot that UCLA loses out actually if you look at that schedule. So UNLV's win over UCLA is going to be like not very impressive by the end of the year like that. That's probably a three or four win UCLA team.

[Chip Patterson]

San Diego State's got to win against an ACC opponent.

[Danny Cannell]

San Diego State could do it.

[Tom Fornelli]

They do.

[Danny Cannell]

They're just trying under the radar.

[Tom Fornelli]

I when I look at the schedule strengths of the Mountain West, I just at least the model's not seeing that right now. Yeah, but it is possible, I guess. And a couple spoiler teams to watch here. Post quarterback change. And I know the teams they have beaten are somewhere between underwhelming and just complete disarray. But Pitt looks pretty damn good and they housed NC State this weekend without their backers. And there's a chance they get those guys back and down the stretch they get Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and Miami Doozies. Pull some kind of chaos win out of this. I, I do.

[Bud Elliott]

He's gonna get one.

[Chip Patterson]

Yes. Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

No, he's he is activated. That team is going to ruin somebody's season, without a doubt. And isn't the Miami?

[Bud Elliott]

Watch him lose to Stanford first and then they do it. That would be the more ACC thing.

[Chip Patterson]

That'd be a much more acc. So you've got, when you mentioned usc, Washington are those teams that can make it on an at large potential.

[Tom Fornelli]

When you say, yeah, yeah, if USC or Washington went out.

[Danny Cannell]

Yes, they're in.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chip Patterson]

That would probably bounce. Oregon.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, if they bounce.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

Because they would both beat Oregon.

[Chip Patterson]

Either team winning out means that Oregon's out of the paint.

[Tom Fornelli]

Is 10 and 2 Oregon out? I don't think so.

[Chip Patterson]

What's your best win?

[Tom Fornelli]

All right, put that against Notre Dame.

[Danny Cannell]

But they play both USC and Washington.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Danny Cannell]

And USC and Washington don't play each other. So if they both win out, that's two more losses on Oregon's resume.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, right, they both went out.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

And here's the thing. Oregon starts to beat Iowa their next game. Like that's a good win. It won't be like people won't be pounding the table saying that's a great win, but it is a good win if they win there.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. Ten or two. Oregon's getting in. Yes. Pretty sure of that. By the way, Iowa, who's looking a lot better now that the QB looks a little bit healthier. They do get, as we mentioned, Oregon and USC down the stretch.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah. Their next two games.

[Tom Fornelli]

Well, Iowa wins out. Are they in?

[Danny Cannell]

Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. So too, if you're, if you're 10 and two with wins over Oregon and USC and your only losses are by five to Indiana and then by three to Iowa State, which won't look good at the end of the year. But still you're in.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

Especially because they'll probably be in Indianapolis if they went out. No, no, they won't. In India. Yeah. Never mind. That's the thing. They won't have to go to Indianapolis.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right.

[Bud Elliott]

I love Danny Grace in the chat. He said, are we sure 7 and 5. Bama's really out?

[Tom Fornelli]

That's.

[Bud Elliott]

That's a good question.

[Tom Fornelli]

Now here's, here's one for you. I thought about this a little bit this morning and again, I don't think this is going to happen because I don't think UVA is a good football team. I think they're an improved football team that is like arguably top half of the P4. But they continue to just luck box their way through this season. Much like BYU except BYU is better, I think than UVA. Notre Dame 10 and 2, Miami 11 and 1, Louisville 11 and 1. UVA beats Georgia Tech in the championship game. So UVA 121 they're in. Georgia Tech 11 and 2 with the loss to Georgia. Notre Dame's out in this clearly. Right.

[Chip Patterson]

Because you get boxed out and you.

[Bud Elliott]

Have lost in Miami.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, right. Louisville's in at that point, 11 and 1. Having beaten Miami. Right. Is Tekken.

[Bud Elliott]

Depends on the score to the Georgia game. Maybe they get host.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean this is like 4. This is something the committee does not want to see happen.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, I wrote about that last week. Like that's why the Miami loss helps the ACC in a way as far as that's concerned.

[Chip Patterson]

What's your this? I was going to, you know, mention this in a pun for the review, but I'll go ahead and bring it up now. What's your. Is the model still. Is the model down on Texas Tech because of Texas Tech kind of falling apart? Has that been sort of factored in yet with Cincinnati winning? You said Cincinnati winning surprised you. What's. What would your outlook for the Red Raiders be when it comes to the playoffs?

[Tom Fornelli]

So Cincinnati is undefeated in conference play.

[Chip Patterson]

Right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Right. If they win at Utah this weekend, they're probably going to go play for the Big 12 title. I think we're going to get one Big 12 team in just because of the lack of non conference wins. You know. Now Iowa State beating Iowa does help if Iowa ends up running the table if Iowa loses twice more and it's an 8 and 4 team a little bit less. So it does surprise me. I think Texas Tech is still the best team in this league. It's just maybe not quite as big of a margin as maybe we thought.

[Danny Cannell]

Because Brett, your mark didn't listen to my advice.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Because now we've lost all the quarterbacks.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah. Both quarterbacks are hurt. You've lost your starting defensive tackle. I told you, just declare them champs and bubble wrap them for the final month of the season. Brett, you didn't want to listen.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you look on like any of our, you know, casino partners, Ole Miss to make the playoff is pretty similar. Are we at here like they're not that far off from Texas Tech and Miami? Like they're priced not identical, but similarly.

[Chip Patterson]

The other two are far more tied to winning their conference, Correct?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

But then again, like if Texas Tech loses again, is 11 and 2 Texas Tech, are they in?

[Danny Cannell]

If they win the conference, they win the conference.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, I've said, well, 11 and two non conference champ.

[Chip Patterson]

So they win out, they make it to the Big 12 title game and they lose.

[Danny Cannell]

Right. Oh, so let's see if that. In that scenario, loss.

[Bud Elliott]

Without their qb, they would have beaten.

[Danny Cannell]

BYU in the regular season. So if they play BYU in the Big 12 championship and they lose to BYU, I think they're in. If they lose to Cincinnati, I don't think they'd be in because then you'd have like that. We've seen that before where you. It's like, well, we beat him in the regular season.

[Tom Fornelli]

Do you know what I love?

[Chip Patterson]

What do you love?

[Tom Fornelli]

How many teams we're talking about in this segment, right?

[Bud Elliott]

A lot.

[Danny Cannell]

What's. Because the segment's not titled how many teams can win the national title.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right? Exactly.

[Bud Elliott]

It's more fun.

[Chip Patterson]

All right.

[Danny Cannell]

Any.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

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[Danny Cannell]

Kansas.

[Tom Fornelli]

Kansas State.

[Chip Patterson]

Kansas State ain't gonna win the Big 12, but, buddy, they could ruin the Big 12 as they play many of the Big 12 title contenders. We mentioned it just in terms of the stunning result, just really thumping Kansas in Lawrence. But I. Am I a sucker here? Is that. Is this just the Big 12 being the Big 12, or is Kansas starting to play a little bit better football here in the last couple weeks?

[Tom Fornelli]

I think they're playing well, certainly better. It's a couple of games in a row. They've played really well. Daniels was also kind of horrible in that game. Not that, I mean, obviously Kansas State did a nice job on him, but, like, the pressure that Kansas has been allowing the last two weeks has been. Has been an issue. So both, I guess.

[Bud Elliott]

Both.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, a little bit. Big 12. Big 12. Little bit of, you know, we were. So that team didn't win an FBS game until September 27, you know, from the trip. We just. We did. We just didn't. And Iowa State's not having a great season either.

[Danny Cannell]

You know, they caught Ireland tough. Some people it takes longer to see the symptoms.

[Chip Patterson]

I see a little Arch Manning. Arch Manning. Arch Manning. Arch Manning in the rundown. Who's. Who's got some flowers for Arch Manning?

[Tom Fornelli]

I thought he was pretty damn good to the last three weeks. Like, not against Kentucky, but, like, that's maybe a positive trend. I think he's been playing a lot better. They still have no run game. I. I mean, if he's back, they're. They're favored over Vandy and that, that line's getting bet this morning. Like that that's moving in Texas direction.

[Chip Patterson]

Do we think he will play?

[Tom Fornelli]

So if it's a concussion, you can get him back the next week as long as you don't have any. What is it, like setbacks or additional symptoms? If there's additional symptoms, like the general protocol is that you have to miss.

[Danny Cannell]

How many fingers am I holding up?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes, that'll be the Protocol 3.

[Danny Cannell]

It.

[Chip Patterson]

Listen, I'm not suggesting this because it would seem insensitive, but there is a huge Warby Parker, how many fingers am I holding up? Opportunity here for you, Arch.

[Bud Elliott]

I think that game for Arch Manning could be a pivot point for his entire career. Like where you look at him differently. It was similar. So the last game of my junior year was the choke at Doke when we were down 28, 3, 31 3. We came back, scored 28 points. I know the way I felt about myself, but I also know the way my coaches look at that. It was fireworks everywhere.

[Chip Patterson]

That's what it was like. I mean, who knew?

[Bud Elliott]

But I do think there are some games that you look at and it's like the first time you did something special. Now, granted, I thought maybe that was going to be the Oklahoma game, then he had the Kentucky setback. And does it mean he's going to be flawless from here on out?

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Bud Elliott]

But I think it does go a long way to a lot of the critics, a lot of the naysayers, a lot of people that said he was overrated. I think even more so within his own locker room, his coaching staff, everybody. And if I'm Sark, maybe the same thing that we saw with Charlie Ward of Florida State when he struggled, I would do more, no huddle. I would let him go out and just play because I thought that's when things kind of opened up for him. They're playing a little bit more panic mode, going more pace. You just start playing football. I think that could be a huge pivot point for Arch Manning, his career.

[Chip Patterson]

What do you make of Steve Sarkeesian trying to frame this as. That as a culture win?

[Tom Fornelli]

Sure.

[Danny Cannell]

You didn't quit.

[Tom Fornelli]

It feels a little bit like a pushback against the Steve Sharkeys and NFL stuff.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I, if you. You could tell me that. That this team just has never, never quite had it right. And sometimes it's individuals in the locker room, sometimes it's the, the coach's message, but the underperformance given the talent. You could, you could, you could tell me that they needed to. To have a win like that and to have it go that way. We'll see. To your point, Danny, if it is a turning point, this is a, this is a huge opportunity. Vanderbilt in town. One of the biggest games of the weekend. One of the first games of the day on Saturday. So it'll, it'll set the tone for the conversation the rest of the way. Vanderbilt and as Bud mentioned, Texas is a narrow favorite. As we sit here on Monday morning with, with Vanderbilt in town, Bandy is a dog.

[Danny Cannell]

Just where they love to be.

[Chip Patterson]

There we go. Blue collar mentality at a white collar school. All right. Where, where else do we want to go?

[Tom Fornelli]

Did you notice that Tulsa and North Carolina did the thing we've been calling for?

[Chip Patterson]

The go for two on the second.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes. Go for two. If you have the second possession of overtime, if you have a two point play you like. Unless there's a scenario in which like maybe the opposing quarterback got hurt or maybe they scored on some kind of fluky thing. But for the most part, if a team is taking you to overtime, you're an even team to them. If you have a two point play, you like your chance to score there is greater than 50%. Don't give them the chance to run theirs. Go for it. Like that's your optimal chance to win it.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean especially if you're somewhat evenly rated teams. Like if you're a massive underdog or sorry, if you're a massive, massive favorite, maybe don't do it. Right. But then again, like you're a massive favorite but they just scored on you again in overtime.

[Danny Cannell]

So there's definitely do it. If I'm a massive favorite and I only need 2 yards, I should have faith in my team to get it correct.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's completely fair as well. You know, I kind of think like the massive favorite, the blackjack analogy, the longer you sit at the table, the more likely the house is going to win. But in this case, both Tulsa and UNC were dogs and they made the correct call to go for it. I mean, didn't they, didn't, they didn't make the play. But I think like that's something that smart coaches are going to start doing more.

[Chip Patterson]

I've seen it more. I mean the, the changes in the overtime rules, especially where in the second overtime you have to go for two.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right.

[Chip Patterson]

And then after that we're just doing a two point shootout. Like you were, you were going to have to dip into that two point bag at some point. If you can win the game with your best two point play. I'm like, I, I Feel like we've seen it anecdotally. I was trying to go pull it up, but I don't want to get distracted from the show. But doesn't it feel like we've seen that happen more in those situations? Been a lot of overtime games in general, but I think I've seen a on a good amount of times in the scenario where team won first overtime, first possession, scores a touchdown, team two thinks about it, tries to go for two. Wake Forest when they lost to Georgia Tech 30 to 29 earlier this year, I think that was another situation. Jake Dickert says, all right, we're just going to go for two. And I remember coming out of that one saying like, hey, it's a good message to send. We feel like we can go and win this game. They didn't, but obviously Wake Forest end up getting it back with the win against SMU this past weekend.

[Bud Elliott]

Upon further review, Bill Belichick might not have been lying through his teeth when he said we're making improvements. They've looked better. Yep. Since their bi week they've looked better. They do look like a more competitive football team.

[Chip Patterson]

Yep, I would agree with that. Still, a poorly constructed roster. Would love to see some accountability for that. Poorly constructed roster.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes, agreed. Let Pablo Torre do all that for you.

[Chip Patterson]

I. I don't know, man.

[Bud Elliott]

More dirt on North Carolina?

[Chip Patterson]

Well, I'd love to see some accountability for a poorly constructed roster and an offense that. Buddy, it looks hard all the time. Looks really, really hard. But yeah, I agree with you. They are. I mentioned they won Parker Fleming success rate battle. You know they did on a down to down basis. They were taking it to Virginia and they had a shot to win that game. So I'll agree with you on that one.

[Danny Cannell]

Upon further review. Now you scored 31 points. You got butt is over. But if you're Michigan, are you concerned about the fact that you had a worse offensive performance against the Michigan state defense than UCLA did and that your quarterback was 8 of 17 for 86 yards?

[Tom Fornelli]

I got away with that one. That, that was.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah. I mean they did a great job of finishing when they got to the red zone, but they had a whole lot of empty possessions in that game too. Not exactly what you're hoping to see from Michigan in that spot.

[Tom Fornelli]

I don't know that Michigan fans are in love with Chip Lindsay.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Is Michigan State cooked? Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

I mean, by cooked do you mean like they're going to fire their coach? Or by cooked do you mean that they might not win a Big Ten game this Year.

[Chip Patterson]

Like, it just. It feel the vibes and the trends like that. That. That might have been the one time where I'm looking for them to stand up and try to throw a haymaker and.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, but that was all like, at Indiana and Michigan and back to back weeks. That's tough. I know it's a rivalry game, but you had a big game last week. I just think that. I don't think they're a very good football team. I think the defense is a problem. And I think that, you know, like, you look at the rest of their schedule, they're at Minnesota, Penn State at home, at Iowa, Maryland at home. They could win one or two, but they could also lose all four of them. And you're 0 and 9 and 3 and 9 on the season.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Well, again, coaching carousel reset. Coming Tuesday on CBS Sports Network, where we will mention not only the jobs that are open, but power conference jobs that we think might be open. Hint, hint, Week, week, Michigan State. We'll see. All right, let's see. What else do we have from the weekend? Oh, Utah. Was that more Utah or is that more Colorado?

[Danny Cannell]

I think equal parts. Both.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Deion Sanders coming and very much, you know, pointing out how much of a, you know, like what he said. We've got to fix it. We've got to fix it fast. He did a little bit of. In this era, the players, you know, the what, the way that you want to look, the way that you want to play. He's. He is obviously very frustrated with his team's performance because down to down the ass whooping was relentless.

[Danny Cannell]

Oh, God.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. I mean, it was just negative 26 yards at the end of the first half or something.

[Danny Cannell]

Kaden Salter was 9 of 22 for 37 yards.

[Tom Fornelli]

Is this Colorado team worse than his first Colorado team?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes, team was better.

[Tom Fornelli]

I thought the first Colorado team was incredibly lucky. Like, the record was better than how they played.

[Danny Cannell]

But they also had Shador and Travis, and they lost Travis for a chunk of that season. I think that's true. Better than what they have on this roster right now.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, if you're Colorado, you sign up for the Dion experience again.

[Chip Patterson]

Correct.

[Tom Fornelli]

But I don't know that you want that experience going forward.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't know.

[Danny Cannell]

Unless you can get Bird fickling out the portal.

[Chip Patterson]

And that's the other thing. Utah was doing it with Bird fickling.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Danny Cannell]

Esquire.

[Tom Fornelli]

Good.

[Chip Patterson]

Great. Danny, anything else from. From the weekend? You want to make sure we hit.

[Danny Cannell]

Bird Ficklin playing in a seersucker uniform.

[Chip Patterson]

Lord fickling. I said, kathy, hold my calls.

[Bud Elliott]

Do you guys realize, I don't know if this should be on tomorrow's coaching show, but probably not because it's on CBS Sports Network.

[Chip Patterson]

But, oh, good, we're getting.

[Bud Elliott]

Do you guys realize why Ole Miss? Why Lane Kiffin has been so happy there?

[Chip Patterson]

Because Whit Weeks has been out?

[Bud Elliott]

No, because his daughter wanted him to stay at Ole Miss. Landry, right. Right now his daughter is dating aforementioned Whit Weeks, who plays in Baton Rouge. Does he have another year left?

[Chip Patterson]

Dog.

[Danny Cannell]

You know what I hear? You are a father of three daughters. What I hear is a reason to stay at Ole Miss. I'm not moving with my daughter to lsu.

[Bud Elliott]

What if Landry's driving this ship and.

[Tom Fornelli]

She'S like, dad, we can go live there.

[Danny Cannell]

No, I'm putting foot down.

[Chip Patterson]

He does.

[Tom Fornelli]

He does have a year because he was a freshman. But, like, you don't think he's a pro? Like, I.

[Danny Cannell]

Also, if he wants to play another year, guess what? Coach just got fired. Come on over to Ole Miss, Whit.

[Chip Patterson]

Don'T you dare do that. I mean, like. Like, there's answering the door with the shotgun for the date, and then there's benching your ass.

[Danny Cannell]

And. Is it.

[Chip Patterson]

Andrew's very upset with you wit.

[Danny Cannell]

You're not playing this week until you apologize.

[Bud Elliott]

I don't.

[Chip Patterson]

It's. If. If we are going to get here in the. The reckless stages. Danny, what do you think Lane is gonna do?

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, did he not go up to the fans? Did I read his lips correctly when he said, I'm not bleeping leaving a la Leo DiCaprio and Wolf. Wolf of Wall Street. Did he not go up and say that? I don't know how. You cannot. I don't think he's going anywhere. Neither do I. I think he's staying. I think he's got a great gig where he can win national championships. And if he doesn't, he'll be fine. They'll be like, all right, we'll get him next year.

[Tom Fornelli]

So when he. When he danced with Auburn all the way down to the finish line, do we think that was because he really loved Ole Miss and Ole Miss committed to giving him things that he wanted? How much of that was doubt about the Auburn job?

[Danny Cannell]

I couldn't tell you, but I would say that, like, we've saw that with that documentary or whatever, like, the SEC network did. I do feel like Lane is genuine when he talks about that. He's gotten to a place in his life where he's found contentment. And I don't know if he's really feeling that right now. As a human being with his whole entire life, is he going to want to risk starting over somewhere else when being at Ole Miss has kind of brought him peace? It's just a thing that he's going to have to. I mean, we just look at it as football, like jobs, jobs, jobs. He's going to look at it as his life, and I don't know how he's going to feel about that.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's just much easier to say no to Auburn. That it is to Florida or lsu.

[Bud Elliott]

True.

[Danny Cannell]

But the grass ain't always greener, man. Like, he's going to be at a program that's probably in the playoff this year. Neither LSU in Florida will be.

[Chip Patterson]

I've. I have no clue. Because similar to what y' all are saying, I think this comes down to Lane Kiffin, the human being.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Because the sensible choice is to leave. But I, that does not mean it's the right choice for him. So we'll see. Meanwhile, a couple other coaches that are hot names happen to have quarterbacks that are falling apart. So Missouri's chances of making the College Football Playoff are dropping. Arizona State's chances of making the College Football Playoff are dropping.

[Danny Cannell]

Arizona State's chances are dead. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

So we'll see. The, the dominoes. The timing of all this is, is a little bit crazy. And again, I'll drive it home here so I don't have to repeat it again on the CBS Sports Network show Tuesday, noon Eastern time. There are enough qualified candidates for the jobs. Okay, maybe, maybe your Q score ain't right. There are plenty of very good college football coaches ready for the opportunity to take your shiny, fancy job and try to go win some football games. But it does not mean it will not be chaotic. It will indeed be chaotic. And that's how we're going to break it all down for you. So we'll be back Tuesday noon Eastern time, CBS Sports Network. Then if we're going to do that, that means Wednesday, mega big game breakdown. Oh, Buddy busting at the seams. Wednesday, big game breakdown. Then Thursday, our Week 10 locks. Make sure you're subscribed YouTube.com cover3 for all the latest. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fenell. You can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow him at Danny Cannell. Follow me at Chip Underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

[Danny Cannell]

Thank you.

[Bud Elliott]

See ya.

[Tom Fornelli]

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[Chip Patterson]

We don't know what we're looking for.

[Tom Fornelli]

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[Danny Cannell]

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[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

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[Danny Cannell]

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[Tom Fornelli]

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[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

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