Week 2 Instant Reaction: Oklahoma-Michigan, Florida Falls To USF, Missouri & Iowa State Win & More

Summary

Cover 3 College Football Podcast

Episode: Week 2 Instant Reaction: Oklahoma-Michigan, Florida Falls To USF, Missouri & Iowa State Win & More

Date: September 7, 2025
Hosts: Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Bud Elliott

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Overview

This instant reaction episode dives deep into the wild results and major storylines from Week 2 of the 2025 college football season. The crew breaks down Florida’s shocking home loss to USF (“Spitgate”), Oklahoma’s clutch win over Michigan, big statements from Missouri and Iowa State, late-night chaos, and rapid-fire thoughts on ranked teams’ performances, coaching whispers, playoff outlooks, and much more.

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Main Themes and Key Discussion Points

1. Florida’s Collapse vs. USF (“Spitgate” and the Implications for Billy Napier)

[03:39 – 17:13]

• “Did another tenure end with a spit?” [03:39]
  • The hosts open furious at the Gators’ flop as three-score favorites versus USF—equating the game’s defining moment (“spitgate”) to other infamous program low points.
• End of the Napier Era?
  • Chip: “The Billy Napier tenure might have just ended, right?” [05:46]
  • Bud: “It might be done...a home loss...as a three-score favorite with multiple mind-boggling decisions.” [05:53]
• USF’s Aggression & Florida’s Disarray
  • Notable for USF’s daring early 58-yard field goal attempt—evidence of total disrespect for Florida’s offense [08:48].
  • “You have superior athletes, you have a 46% success rate... and you flub situations that poorly, both from like a game management standpoint... I think this was worse [than Deion]... the way Napier managed this game.” – Tom [09:24]
• Game Management Failures
  • “Boneheaded punt decisions... mismanage your timeouts...” [11:30]
  • “I also think this looked like a team that probably did not get to practice a whole lot together.” [11:38]
• Unforgiving Schedule and Future Outlook
  • Hosts pull up Florida’s brutal schedule: “How many games does Florida win this year?” [12:36]
  • “If you assume full effort, I think they’re probably still a bowl team, but I don’t know that.” – Tom [13:23]
  • Roster and effort concerns, possible bowl in jeopardy.
• Gator Fan Meltdown
  • “They needed to tow Billy’s car and make him walk home... he might cause an actual riot in Gainesville.” – (Listener Quote) [16:21]
  • “Most incompetent coach I have ever seen in my entire life.” [16:24]
• Barge Hoe Analogy
  • Extended metaphor comparing Florida’s offense to a barge hoe: “Watching this barge hoe... has to go under the bridge slow. No wonder they’ll be working here for weeks. We’re going to go watch this every day. It’s fantastic. And that’s a lot like watching this Ford offense right now, guys. They’re just not like they’re not explosive right now in any way.” – Tom [15:11]

Memorable Quote:
"We’ve been telling Florida to be more like Georgia for years now. But we didn't mean like that." – Bud [07:16]

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2. USF’s Rise: Playoff Implications and Program Sustainability

[17:57 – 22:01]

• “Bulls on parade. USF will be ranked.” – Chip [17:57]
• USF’s Playoff Path
  • “Not. You’ve beaten Boise in Florida to start your season. Now you play Miami... assuming you lose that, the schedule gets really kind of simple from that point on... They’ve got a very real path to a playoff spot.” – Bud [20:12]
  • “All you got to do at this point is win the American and you’re in the playoff.” – Bud [21:18]
• Attitude and Coaching
  • “I saw the video of those assistant coaches when they got out of the elevator that they got stuck by their own jumping... they had no plans to not go. All gas, no breaks.” – Chip [21:37]

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3. Oklahoma’s Win Over Michigan: Maturity, Moxie, and CFB Playoff Framing

[26:40 – 34:38]

• Statement Win for OU
  • “Matier made a lot of big time throws. He is twitchy, like really, really quick. Twitch. Michigan has good athletes on defense and he looked quick there...” – Tom [27:20]
  • New OC Ben Arbuckle “worth every penny... creating open looks” [27:39]
• Concerns for Oklahoma
  • Matier “threw an interception tonight. He probably could have thrown three... but he got away with it. So John Matiere is really fun to the objective observer. For an Oklahoma fan, he might be kind of nerve wracking.” – Bud [28:50]
  • “Oklahoma averaged 3 yards per carry. Like the run game is a problem. And if Matier is the only way that you can succeed on the ground... I don’t know if he’s going to be able to withstand that kind of beating every single week in the sec.” [29:10]
• Michigan’s Offensive Issues
  • Cautious game plan for freshman QB Bryce Underwood: “Too conservative — which shock of all shocks is Michigan being too conservative on offense.” – Bud [34:10]
  • “If you thought Bryce Underwood was going to go into Norman in his first road start and have a great game, you were very very optimistic.” [32:43]

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4. Iowa State Outlasts Iowa; Kansas State Concerns

[35:16 – 40:49]

• Iowa State Narrow Win, Offense Stagnates
  • “Zero percent explosive play rate for both sides.” – Tom [37:39]
  • “...If I’m Iowa, I’m worried because I might just be straight ass. Iowa State, I might not be ass I might have just looked like ass today.” – Bud [39:22]
• Kansas State Vibes
  • “I would be a little concerned if I was Kansas State about, like, vibes, culture, body language, chemistry. Like, I’m gonna sound the alarm there. Something looks weird with Kansas State to me.” – Tom [39:28]

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5. Missouri’s Coming Out Party vs. Kansas

[43:12 – 48:01]

• Quarterback Emergence
  • “I think I need to reevaluate my opinion of Bo Pribula.” – Bud [43:33]
  • “He’s hitting the throws that Missouri schemes up for him. Like, that’s important. We didn’t know he could do that. That’s a box to check.” – Tom [43:37]
• Eli Drinkwitz Game Management
  • “I want to give a shout out to Eli who routinely nails it... with timeout usage and game management week in and week out.” – Bud [45:11]
• Missouri Playoff Contenders?
  • Hosts discuss Missouri’s easier schedule with real possible Playoff talk as realistic [47:28–49:01]

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6. Late Night and Around the Country: Notable Wins, Losses, and Oddities

[50:34 – 58:48]

• Baylor-SMU Double OT Thriller
  • “Sawyer was 53, 484, four touchdowns, no picks, one sack. He carved SMU, dude... Ball placement right after the catch, dropping in a bucket...” – Tom [50:44]
• Bizarre Overtime Coaching Decisions
  • “If you score a touchdown in first OT, you run your best two-point play... your chance to win the game is right there.” – Bud [53:36]
• Clemson Survives Troy; Serious Offense Concerns
  • “How concerned are we about Clemson’s run game? Very.” – Tom [56:58]
  • “It’s big 2021 vibes... Ineffective offense, still won nine games, but... you look ineffective offensively, but you still have a really good defense.” – Chip [57:12]

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7. Big Statement from Oregon, Oklahoma State in Shambles

[61:14 – 63:05]

• “Dante Moore looks really good.” – Tom [61:52]
• Oregon’s Offense an “Absolute War Machine”
  • “Big play after big play. This is an extremely explosive team.” – Bud [62:36]
  • “This team looks terrifying... The floor for this team is 10 and 2.” – Bud [68:01]
• Mike Gundy/Sideline Drama
  • “The legend becomes a liability... That’s being a liability.” – Chip [63:55]

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8. Heisman, Playoff, and Conference Landscape

[69:45 – 70:23]

• “Did you guys see who’s number six in the Heisman voting now? John Matiere is your new Heisman favorite.” – Tom [69:53]
• Discussion: Oregon has entered “Big Three” status in the Big Ten (alongside Ohio State and Penn State) [66:23–66:53]

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9. Quick Hit Reactions

• Vanderbilt’s Defensive Masterpiece over Virginia Tech
  • Extended praise for Clark Lea’s game plan, second-half shutout [70:33–72:50]
• Ole Miss edges Kentucky:
  • “Lane Kiffin: Sorry to a lot of gamblers there at the end.” – Lane Kiffin (audio) [73:17]
• Illinois routs Duke; Cats’ Copium
  • “That’s what good teams do. Good teams go on the road, don’t have their best stuff, and just hang in there and wait for opponent to mess up.” – Chip [79:02]
• USC's Young Receivers Explode; Texas/Arch Manning Lukewarm
• Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State all roll; Florida State’s 77 points–trivia riff [90:19–92:43]

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10. AP Top 25 and “Tomorrow’s Top 25 Today” Projections

[101:18 – 110:28]

• Shakes at the Top:
  • Clemson projected to drop out of the top 10 after Troy scare [102:41]
  • USF, with wins vs Boise and at Florida, projected ranked high; “would not be surprised if they end up between 15 and 20.” – Chip [106:59]
• Missouri, Illinois, Auburn, BYU on the move
• **“Diamond hands” keeping Oregon at 6, but hosts say ceiling is top 3–4 [109:29]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Florida’s Offensive Stagnation:
  “It’s got to go under the bridge slow. It’s turning around real slow. And you know what? It can only get one scoop at a time... That’s a lot like watching this Ford offense right now, guys. They’re just not like they’re not explosive right now in any way.”
  – Tom [15:11]

• On Oklahoma’s Quarterback:
  “John Matiere is really fun to the objective observer. For an Oklahoma fan, he might be kind of nerve wracking because he does some crazy stuff.” – Bud [28:50]

• On Coaching Future:
  “They needed to tow Billy’s car and make him walk home... he might cause an actual riot in Gainesville.” – (Listener Submission, read by Chip) [16:21]

• On USF’s Playoff Outlook:
  “All you got to do at this point is win the American and you’re in the playoff.” – Bud [21:18]

• On Oregon’s Potential:
  “This team looks terrifying. And again, I, I agree with you. I think Oklahoma State's ass. But Like, I think Oregon is terrifying.” – Bud [63:05]

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• Florida postgame rage/opening “Spitgate” ⏩ 03:39 – 17:13
• USF playoff path, attitude ⏩ 18:36, 20:12
• Oklahoma-Michigan breakdown ⏩ 27:20 – 32:12
• Missouri’s emergence ⏩ 43:33 – 49:35
• Baylor-SMU wild finish, overtime strategy ⏩ 50:34 – 54:23
• Georgia, Texas, and national contenders quick reactions ⏩ 81:20 – 85:05
• AP Poll/Top 25 discussion ⏩ 101:18 – 110:00

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Tone & Style

The episode is packed with off-the-cuff banter, irreverent analogies (the barge hoe, “ass” as a performance index), and insider humor, all while delivering deep statistical analysis and rapid reactions to breaking CFB storylines.

The mood is energetic and fast, with the hosts bouncing between games, venting frustrations (especially for Florida), lavishing praise (Missouri, Oregon, Illinois), and debating the future outlook for embattled programs.

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For Listeners...

If you missed the episode, this recap covers all the key storylines: shock upsets (USF > Florida), playoff positioning, coaching hot seats, statement wins, and meme-able moments that’ll define the 2025 season’s early weeks. Whether you bleed SEC, Big 12, or just love CFB chaos, this show delivered wall-to-wall instant takes.

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For Tomorrow’s Top 25, playoff wildcards, and rant-filled fun, tune in—and remember, only on Cover 3 will you catch analogies about Florida’s offense and dredging equipment!

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Transcript

[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

Right now, do I look at you or the camera?

[Tom Fornelli]

He'll just look right at me.

[Chip Patterson]

He'll just ignore the camera.

[Tom Fornelli]

There are a lot of people saying.

[Bud Elliott]

You could be the next great quarterback. I can already see it now.

[Tom Fornelli]

Him running down the tunnel with the.

[Bud Elliott]

Crowd, chanting his name. I hear you've been invited to train with legend Isaiah White himself. Care to elaborate? I want to be the goat.

[Chip Patterson]

Cameron King.

[Bud Elliott]

Great meeting you.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm a fan.

[Bud Elliott]

That's crazy. I damn near worshiped you growing up.

[Chip Patterson]

Who are you? I'm him.

[Bud Elliott]

Who are you? I'm him. Let's play a little catch.

[Chip Patterson]

We going to the lake.

[Bud Elliott]

You want to play at your highest level? You want to be a legend?

[Tom Fornelli]

Cause let me tell you something.

[Bud Elliott]

The game. Who are they? Just going to toss the ball around a little.

[Tom Fornelli]

You want to hit this?

[Bud Elliott]

You can't handle it. I understand. Shut up. Oh, too slow. Wait, what are we doing? That man smile about to be on the floor. This how you do, teammate? What is this? Enemies. In this game, violence is rewarded.

[Chip Patterson]

So learn to enjoy it.

[Bud Elliott]

Get your together. Activate my cam.

[Chip Patterson]

Are you okay?

[Bud Elliott]

I think something's off. You want to know what you're getting yourself into.

[Chip Patterson]

Now?

[Bud Elliott]

We playing some football. Don't have to do this.

[Chip Patterson]

Activate my.

[Bud Elliott]

I've never been more certain of anything in my life. And how bad does Cameron Cade want it? I ain't a killer, but don't push me. I'm not just gonna give it to you.

[Tom Fornelli]

You got to take it.

[Bud Elliott]

For me, I'm a killer, but don't push me.

[Tom Fornelli]

What if I say no?

[Bud Elliott]

Think of it as a gift from the gods. So what are you willing to sacri.

[Tom Fornelli]

Welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast. With your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli.

[Bud Elliott]

Danny Cannell, and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college.

[Tom Fornelli]

Football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the COVID 3PO.

[Chip Patterson]

And welcome back to the COVID 3 Podcast. Here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fornelli, that's Bud Elliott. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you [e-mail] cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that, subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat. AKA the COVID 3 tailgate, where they're calling it spitgate. You know, like one tenure ended with the throwing of a shoe. Now did another tenure end with a spit? Oh, buddy. Lots to get to, including and maybe starting with the events in Gainesville in the swamp as USF stuns Florida. We are coming to you in the wake of Oklahoma holding home court, getting it done against Michigan. Moneyline Mater coming through as he promised in the COVID 3 tailgate during the lox pod. Iowa State, Missouri picking up big wins. A wild one between SMU and Baylor. Good win for the Bears in double overtime. We've got UCLA and UNLV currently 30 to 2809 left as the Whoopsie Daisy King is going. Whoopsie.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Chip Patterson]

That's it.

[Bud Elliott]

Let's go.

[Chip Patterson]

Touchdown.

[Bud Elliott]

I'm behind.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh no, you're ahead. Trust me.

[Chip Patterson]

Lots, lots, lots, lots to get to. Fran Brown heading his team running wind sprints after a win. Lane Kiffin was shouting out the betters after a victory. Lots to get. All right, so I had said in the initial rundown before Oklahoma Michigan was done. If it was a thriller, then we'll hit that first. I, I think that we can, we can get to that on a, on a. Oh, he's down on a second tier. We should, we should start in Gainesville easy. Eyes here. I see your boys. I see it. I know, I know we're.

[Tom Fornelli]

This new TV wall is gonna be a problem. I know we're rooting for the over.

[Chip Patterson]

But the Billy Napier tenure might have just ended. Right?

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, I, it's, it might be done. I don't know if it's gonna end.

[Chip Patterson]

No, no, no. I think there will be more games that. He is the head coach of Florida. Yeah, but you know, you, you have those, you have those spots, right? I think we were live on the COVID 3 podcast when I asked, did, did Ed Ultron just get fired? You know, like it doesn't happen the next day always. But a home loss, which now brings Billy Napier to 20 and 20 against USF as a three score favorite with multiple mind boggling decisions has snapped us right back to where we were at the beginning of last season. And I just don't know if there are, I don't know if there's an Ole Miss win, I don't know if there, if there's a late season victory that's going to be able to salvage this one. Tom, what'd you make of the Gators?

[Bud Elliott]

Wow. Typical mainstream media. USFS2.0 with wins over Boise in Florida got the driver's seat for the playoff spot. And you want to talk about the Florida Gators, the SEC team. Typical, Typical. Typical. Oh, they are. Yeah. It's not great. You mentioned the spit at the top of the show kind of really turned the tide in that game. We've been telling Florida to be more like Georgia for years now. But we didn't mean like that.

[Chip Patterson]

And shout out, let's go.

[Bud Elliott]

Just that's. I, I don't know. Like, you know, you. Honest to God. You know what the worst part is? I think that Florida lost to USF and it's a big deal, but I don't really think anybody shocked by it. Even though they were three score favorites. Are, are you like absolutely shocked that Florida could lose to USF based on what you have seen from Billy Napier's Florida Gators?

[Chip Patterson]

I think that my expectation. I think that my expectation because you couldn't take anything away from Long Island. I was basically entering this game with what we talk about a lot is my preseason priors and Tom, your preseason priors were like why is this a top 15 team? Yeah, they, they on paper have all these like NFL draft picks along both lines of scrimmage and they've got a DJ Lagway and they're so talented and most talented team since. But what we say in 2020. Most talented.

[Bud Elliott]

I would think so.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. So sure. Yeah. All of those things on paper are true. So I entered this game with my preseason priors because I couldn't adjust them. But once the game started to your point was not shocked by the way it fit. Like by the way we finished. I wasn't shocked before kickoff. I did not think this was a possibility, especially as ineffective as they were because as we said, Boise State move the ball against usf.

[Bud Elliott]

This is weird. But you know what? Like the first indicator in this game to me was that USF was not scared at all was when Golesh sent the Grammatica kid out there to attempt a 58 yard field goal knowing that if he missed it, Florida was going to get the ball at midfield and.

[Chip Patterson]

He didn't care because they're not going to get. They're going to move the ball. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Like you see a coach doing that at that position. In the game. And you're like, man, he's, he's not really all that worried about what Florida's offense is going to be able to do to him. Like, he really thinks his team's got a shot. He just wants to get these three points right now because he doesn't, you know, he's like, hey, a field goal might be all. We need.

[Tom Fornelli]

It. It's wild that you have superior athletes. You have a 46% success rate, which is pretty good overall in the game, and you flub situations that poorly, both from like a game management standpoint. And like, guys, we ragged on Dion last week, I think this was worse. Like the way Napier managed this game. How many times do they punt on 4th and manageable? Like, they don't. They're not a tempo team anyway. USF is. But like, guys, you have the better athletes. You, you have a quarterback that like, literally probably saved your job. You don't believe in this kid enough to go for it on fourth and four, fourth and three, fourth and four, fourth and five, fourth and six. In this ball game.

[Bud Elliott]

You.

[Tom Fornelli]

You take a timeout to start the final offensive drive. Like that basically killed your chance to actually get the ball back there at the end. I, if you look at the, like, complaints you have about Napier, some game management stuff, right. Last year, I thought it was pretty understood they were going to make him hire an offense coordinator. He was going to come back, but because they finished the year so strong, that basically just kind of, you know, went away. And one of the complaints about Napier has always been he's really good at designing some of the play action stuff. He's good on early downs. My friend JBA Davis here in Orlando has talked about this a lot. Obvious passing situations with Florida, the concepts that, like some of the passing concepts are just probably not up to snuff of like a really, really good team. And I think you saw it tonight. Look at their success rate here. You could pull this up on. Where's that? So if you look at this Overall success rate, 46%. That's awesome. Third down success rate, 29 explosive plays. They were in the third percentile. That's, that's how you have, that's how you have a decent edge in a lot of the situations in the game. But you don't win the explosive battle. You're not converting into touchdowns. You're not keeping the ball on the field. You're giving away too many possessions with these just boneheaded punt decisions and you mismanage your timeouts. That's kind of the recipe to lose at home when you do have better athletes at a lot of the spots on the field. I also think this looked like a team that probably did not get to practice a whole lot together in spring with their quarterback and their new receivers and for much of the summer because he was hurt, they don't look in sync at all yet. And that, that might really cost Billy his job.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean the upcoming schedule is bananas and includes all. You see it right now if you're watching on YouTube.com cover three, that is the number three, five, seven and 19 teams in the country as their next four games. Their game after that is against the Mississippi State team that just beat Arizona State. Then number four, Georgia, Kentucky, which just hung with Ole Miss.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, but that doesn't count. Kentucky just does that.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Then Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida State. How many games does Florida win this year?

[Bud Elliott]

Well, I'm going to give them Mississippi State.

[Tom Fornelli]

Are we assuming, are we assuming that they don't quit? We talked about this a lot this offseason. A lot of these teams that to get ahead of the rev share cap, they front loaded the hell out of all these deals and what would be the consequences of that if things got off to rocky starts for these teams that had big expectations and they, and they, they, they started with a whimper. If you assume full effort. If you assume full effort, I think they're probably still a bowl team, but I don't know that.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tom Fornelli]

They need to get it together and quick.

[Bud Elliott]

Are, are they a bowl team at full effort? I mean they're probably losing on the road to LSU and Miami. I, they could beat Texas. Texas we'll get to later in the show, but Texas hasn't exactly looked like a world beater. Texas A and M on the road, I don't know. Ole Miss on the road, I don't know. I, I don't know that they're a bowl team even if they play great or full effort. I, I mean I, we've talked so much about Lagway and how great he is. He wasn't bad today, but he didn't really look like a huge difference maker to me. He couldn't really do anything on the ground. He wasn't. It's, it's like some of that's on the receiver, some of it's on the scheme as you mentioned it. But at some point, like if you're going to be a superstar, you've got to kind of rise above it. And he just hasn't done that yet. And not saying he can't, but it's another situation where like my, my doubts about this team before the season began. It's like until I see it, I'm just not going to assume it's there anymore.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think that's fair. I this is There were two teams in the SEC that I think people were really counting on to have like a 7 1/2, 8 win projection in Vegas. But the potential acknowledged that if everything clicked, could rise well above Gators and Sooners. One team tonight looked like they had the real potential to click. One team look like they're still just stuck in neutral.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, both look flawed, but I see the improvement. I see where things can get cleaned up for Oklahoma. I don't know where the path forward is for the Gators.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, gonna need that dredging hoe you had in your backyard the other day to clear some room for the Gators.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right now.

[Chip Patterson]

It was dredging hoe, right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Barge hoe.

[Bud Elliott]

Barge ho. Sorry.

[Tom Fornelli]

It was out again today. We we we we we stopped and watched it again.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, dredging ho's a girl I went to high school with.

[Tom Fornelli]

My God. That's a decent analogy for this Ford offense right now. Like, no watching this bar show, okay? It's got to go under the bridge slow. It's turning around real slow. And you know what? It can only get one scoop at a time. Then it has to go over to the bank. It's kind of cool. It's like it's an amphibious vehicle kind of, you know, climbs up on the side and there, there's a little skid steer waiting for it. It dumps one scoop skits here. You know it. No wonder they'll be working here for weeks. We're going to go watch this every day. It's fantastic. And that's a lot like watching this Ford offense right now, guys. They're just not like they're not explosive right now in any way.

[Bud Elliott]

I just liked when he made the noise.

[Chip Patterson]

They need. This is a quote from a a Florida supporter who loves this podcast. He said feel free to share on the reaction pod how you see fit. I won't quote him. They needed.

[Tom Fornelli]

I've narrowed it down to a couple.

[Chip Patterson]

Then they needed to tow Billy's car and make him walk home to think about what he's done. And when he comes back in the morning, change the locks and throw all of the BLEEP out in the office into out of the window onto Stadium Road. He is the Most incompetent coach I have ever seen in my entire beep life. He is in so far over his head he might cause an actual riot in Gainesville. This was a friend of ours who.

[Bud Elliott]

I didn't know you were texting with Spurrier like that.

[Chip Patterson]

I know, I know. Ball coach was living life saying, gator boys stay hot as they're cutting down the nets winning a national championship. I said, oh, does Todd Golden's title win do anything for Florida? Bud said, absolutely, not a chance.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, look, that big deal they signed with ESPN requires them to actually care and try about basketball. But the fans didn't sign the deal with espn. Guys, about one sport in this state, I guarantee you they don't give a piss about football at all or about basketball. It is, it's.

[Bud Elliott]

They might not care about football much longer.

[Tom Fornelli]

For Florida, ranked are football, recruiting in football and spring football.

[Chip Patterson]

Baseball.

[Tom Fornelli]

I run a team specific blog in the state. Back when I ran Tom Hawk, I told my guys said, hey, you know what? Football's first, recruiting second, spring football's third. If we got time for hoops or got time for baseball. All right, we know what people care about though. The bread is buttered in football. Yep.

[Chip Patterson]

And yes, Bulls on parade. Let's go. Well, we will get to tomorrow's top 25 today where we will offer our projections for how they're going to be, you know, ranking the new top 25. After week two, USF will be ranked. We will tell you where a little bit later in the show. But we do need to also offer credit to the team that went into the swamp and took them down after winning 34 to 7. Fact check me later in their opener against Boise State. Yeah, There we go. 34 7. Let's go.

[Bud Elliott]

Nailed it. Done.

[Chip Patterson]

How, let's. What's. What what is sustainable here? Like what is USF being good and not just all of the Florida issues.

[Tom Fornelli]

They're very aggressive on defense. I think they play a pretty complimentary style on defense to try to get the ball back to an offense that wants to go some tempo, that wants to run, you know, some of that classic go less stuff, they mix it up a little more. Like it's not just the pure, you know, old school Baylor spread, if you will or if you want. I think, you know, Brown is a pretty decent quarterback and, and that derailed their season last year when, when he got hurt. They had some off to line injuries last year as well. There's some interesting pieces on this USF team and Singleton had another explosive Play for them. Last week it was on the fake punt. You know, this week, more of a traditional catch and run, like 23. But it's not like they. I mean, 391 yards. Yes. And Florida's defense is better now than it was in the first half of last year. I think you lost. You give up 18 points to a G5 team and lost at home. Like, this is on the offense, not staying on the field. This is on the head coach wasting drives with just incorrect decisions. And I think in the Rev share era, when people have less depth and the rosters are more spread out, this is not me saying, like, Florida's roster is closer to USF's roster than ever. Banks. I don't think it is. But like, in this era of college football with coaches getting smarter, most of them, when you make these dumb game management decisions, guys, it does cost you more, I think. Like, it means more. It just means more.

[Bud Elliott]

I think for South Florida, like, the nice thing is, like, not. You've beaten Boise in Florida to start your season. Okay, so now you play Miami. Yeah. And Boise. Listen, Boise might still run roughshod through the entire Mountain west, so that might be a huge win for you later when it comes to comparing resumes if you both end up winning your league. So, like, Miami's kind of a free roll because after they get past Miami, assuming they lose that, but hell, maybe they shock the world again and take down the Canes and. And prove that the real South Florida is in Central Florida. But then, I mean, they've got South Carolina State, Charlotte, North Texas, FAU, Memphis, UTs. It's like the schedule gets really kind of simple from that point on. So as long as they don't screw up majorly, they've got a very real path to a playoff spot.

[Chip Patterson]

I think that this is very clearly to your point, Tom. What sets the stage where they just need to win the American? Yeah, you win the American, you've got to win against Florida in the Swamp. Even if Florida is 6 and 6, it's a win against Florida in the Swamp. The selection committee will reward that.

[Bud Elliott]

Like, I'm not going to say you do it. I'm not going to say I want to do it. I'm not going to say they do do it. But there is a scenario where if you're South Florida, you kind of can wonder, do we just pack it in next week? No, no. Just saying. All you got to do at this point is win the American and you're in the playoff.

[Chip Patterson]

No, no, no. I. I Saw the video of those assistant coaches when they got out of the elevator that they got stuck by their own jumping. And as they were finally running down the stairwell, they were so jacked up, they had no plans to not go. All gas, no breaks.

[Bud Elliott]

Not saying they will. I'm not saying they should. I'm just saying there is a legitimate argument to be made for it.

[Chip Patterson]

Sure.

[Tom Fornelli]

This is a well called screen by UCLA here. All right.

[Bud Elliott]

Nico's just, he's, he's balling out, he's living up to the hype. He's meeting, eating the moment, am I?

[Tom Fornelli]

Crazy thing, Nico's played well tonight. Like not to interject. UCLA talking in the middle of our Florida things.

[Bud Elliott]

Offensive line sucks. Nico hasn't been terrible since.

[Tom Fornelli]

That is true.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

First half was a. First half was a struggle.

[Bud Elliott]

The offensive line, we'll get there later. Yeah, I mean, obviously probably on Monday.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Tom Fornelli]

Jesus Christ.

[Chip Patterson]

How many months. How many months would it take Billy Napier and Mario Crystal ball to get out of an escape?

[Bud Elliott]

You know what? That's, that's such a mean question, guys. They would be out of there in like four days tops. All right, guys, come on.

[Chip Patterson]

Escape rooms are awful. I'm out on escape rooms and if I'm there with Billy and Mario, I'm done. I'm not eating meals.

[Bud Elliott]

Have you guys ever been in an escape room?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Like, did you enjoy it?

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I, I'm kind of nerdy. I, I like puzzles and games and stuff. Yeah, I, I, I mean, I don't think I like, it's, I'm not going back a bunch, but.

[Chip Patterson]

No, escape rooms are like haunted houses for me. Like, I, I don't know, enjoy that. You're getting the sadistic pleasure out of, like, making other people suffer that, like starting point. I'm out.

[Bud Elliott]

See, I like the puzzle aspect of it. It's just I don't know if I want to be trapped in a room with my friends.

[Chip Patterson]

I've got other fair. Hey, team building exercise cover the podcast doesn't escape room. You pay enough money, maybe we'll do it. All right, let's keep it rolling. We got Oklahoma. Let's go to do Oklahoma Michigan. Big night. You know, the only ranked on ranked matchup. What, what are the, what are the things that are sticky coming out of this? Because I think that both these teams come out with a lot to learn, a lot to clean up. Even Oklahoma and win. But what did we learn about these two teams out of the game?

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I had Oklahoma as the eight seed in in my playoff the weekly playoff projection hosting the Longhorns by The way which would be an epic matchup in Norman since we always play that game there at the fairgrounds in Dallas. Matier, I thought, made a lot of big time throws. He had a couple just kind of. Okay, I don't know if I'm throwing that ball there a little bit of the sidearm stuff, but he made a lot of big time throws. He is twitchy, like really, really quick. Twitch. Michigan has good athletes on defense and. And he looked quick there, but he's also twitchy with the way he throws it. Like the ball is out quick. There's some of that weird sidearm stuff, but it does come off his hand really quick. I think Ben Arbuckle, the offensive coordinator higher for Oklahoma is worth every penny. Like he was creating open looks. He was ahead of Wink Martindale for a lot of that game. I mean, honestly, like they probably could have scored more on on Michigan than they did. I thought the offensive line with all the new pieces throw you the plan was good, helped them really. I think he called it in a way to protect them a little bit. I think both sides tried to. I think Oklahoma was more effective in calling it that way. I thought Matier's legs helped him out quite a bit. Like he is a good runner and if Oklahoma can score just a minimum number of points in each game with that defense, they're going to be pretty dangerous. I thought they were, you know, they were salty. They look good.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

I think it's a huge win for Oklahoma. I think just like for their soul. It was a win that they needed and it's a win that feels really good about setting you up, you know, before you get to conference play. Because this is a team that did win a national title two years ago. So it feels good to be in these big games again and winning them. I think Matier made a lot of plays and I think that's just what he does. You know, moneyline material, moxie material, makes plays at times when you need them and sometimes you don't want him to make them and he still makes them anyway because he's doing something really stupid. But it works out. But then there are also the downsides to where like he threw an interception tonight. He probably could have thrown three and there a lot of them were bad. Like the one with that gyrohill tip to himself twice, couldn't pull in. There was the one late on the third down or whatever. And like on the one of the final possessions where he kind of just threw into triple coverage when he could have just Take or it was first down, he could have just kind of, you know, thrown the ball away or just taken a loss and move, moved on and burnt 40 more seconds and it's like you're taking a risk. But he got away with it. So it's like John Matiere is really fun to the objective observer. For an Oklahoma fan, he might be kind of nerve wracking because he does some crazy stuff. The other thing that worries me about him is I still think he's much better as a runner than he is as a passer. Even though he does make some great plays with his arm. I think that he is just, I think he's a tremendous runner of the football. The problem is he ran the ball 20 times tonight for or 19 times tonight for 74 yards. And if you take away his rushing output, Oklahoma averaged 3 yards per carry. Like the run game is a problem. And if Matier is the only way that you can succeed on the ground with this offense behind this offensive line going into SEC play. Like Jamateer is thick. Like he might not be 6, 5 and 240 pounds, but he's, he's a thick kid. But I don't know if he's going to be able to withstand that kind of beating every single week in the sec. Like if he's playing Michigan every week, it's going to catch up to him and it's going to hurt him at some point. And if he gets hurt, I don't know where Oklahoma turns on offense the other side. I mean, their defense, I thought was exactly what you would think it was going to be. They played great. Michigan, you can argue, you know, like benefited from a muff punt which they still held them to a field goal. It's like Michigan's offense really didn't get a whole lot going throughout the entire game. There was the Justice Haynes 75 yard run and there was a muff punt that set him up for a field goal. Other than that, they didn't really do a whole whole hell of a lot, which is not a shock with a freshman quarterback on the road against that coach and that defense. So yeah, I, I think it's great. Huge win. Some concerns about what they're doing and how they went about it and whether or not it'll be sustainable.

[Tom Fornelli]

Did Jaden Ott look like the, like the Jaden not we typically know?

[Chip Patterson]

No, it wasn't a factor. Which was a real waste of Pete Thamel doing a chapel roan shout out as part of his report.

[Bud Elliott]

Did y' all hear that No T.

[Chip Patterson]

T T O cheat O G O yeah. The hot to go but ought to go.

[Bud Elliott]

Sad I missed that.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, he did it pretty well.

[Chip Patterson]

I, I, he did it well. No, I'm saying it was a.

[Tom Fornelli]

Did it last year.

[Chip Patterson]

I'm just saying it was an unfortunate. Like, I thought Pete did a good job. You just wish if you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna fire that bullet. You just wish Jade not in that performance. Maybe has more than four carries. Maybe has more than nine yards. He was, he wasn't the, the feature back, so. Yeah. No. Nate, you're 100, right? We're team Pete over here.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Pete's. Pete's good in our book.

[Bud Elliott]

I, that's like Pete.

[Chip Patterson]

I thought he went for it.

[Bud Elliott]

Long time listener.

[Chip Patterson]

I was proud of him. He's a huge fan of the COVID 3 podcast.

[Bud Elliott]

Likes our podcast better than his own.

[Chip Patterson]

That's what I've. I don't know. He hasn't told me that. I can't report that. Sources. Sources do not say that.

[Bud Elliott]

My sources say that anything.

[Chip Patterson]

Like, if you're Michigan for the Bryce Underwood side of it, you know, I'm optimistic.

[Bud Elliott]

Like, I'm not, I'm not upset with what I saw from Bryce Underwood. Like, he didn't have a great game. He was 9 of 24 for 142 yards, but his receiver sure as hell didn't do a whole lot of favors in the game either. So I, that's. If, if you thought Bryce Underwood was going to go into Norman in his first road, start against that defense and have a great game, you were, like, very, very optimistic about things.

[Tom Fornelli]

The, the broadcast made a huge deal about Michigan's tight end being out, and certainly, like, he's a good player and a very good blocker. Obviously, he's huge. But if you swapped Iowa's receivers with Michigan's, would you notice a difference?

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

A noticeable one? Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I do think so.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yes. I mean, okay. Like, I, I don't think those guys are scary to any decent team out there.

[Bud Elliott]

I, I still don't get the Samaj Morgan thing.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

I think that is something that we need to move on from. Just let him return kicks or punts if that's what you want to do. I don't, I don't think he's a wide receiver, but, I mean, I don't think they're. They're great there. I like Macaulay. I, I thought he was good at Indiana. I think just big body, long arms, he can make plays I just, I don't know. Little they. That game plan was very much. He's a freshman quarterback on the road in this environment. To me, like I thought they were too conservative. Which shock of all shocks is Michigan being too conservative on offense.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think you have a stud in Bryce Underwood. I think if you're a Michigan fan, you got to be extremely happy that you have him and that you paid up to get him and you have two years to just push your chips all in to get it right around him. But like, is that the right head coach said, the right offensive coordinator? If you think so, then you need to be like heavy in the portal to go get him some weapons.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably a tackle too.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, but that's what you want to do.

[Bud Elliott]

Get Larry on the phone.

[Tom Fornelli]

Well, they signed Babaloa and he was looking really good before he, he was out for the year. I'm assuming he comes back healthy. That's a second year guy for the next year. I assume, I assume will be good. I don't know that they've recruited receiver at a real high level. I don't think the answers are on their roster right now. To be like enough to really capitalize and you know, to, to get the results. Like if you told me, hey, we paid this money for Bryce Underwood, He's a hit. The results you expect, like how do we get there? It's. You gotta, you gotta upgrade the pass catchers and maybe the coaching.

[Chip Patterson]

Yep. You mentioned the Iowa wide receivers. I'll just go ahead and just get this out of the way. Isaac, I saw you in the tailgate earlier. Come on up front. I went hard anti Iowa State. They said for the Big 12 expert picks, give me your most overrated team. I said, Iowa State. Why is Iowa State up inside the top 25 with all that they lost from last year? I mean, how many times does Iowa State do back to back double digigit win seasons? Overrated. Good team, sure, but probably like the sixth, seventh best team in the Big 12. Not a top 25 team. They said, okay, Chip, national expert picks. Pick one team in the whole dagum country who's overrated? I said, Iowa State. You lose all that, you know, two 1,000 yard receivers, you normally don't back up good seasons back after back and you just want 11. Come on. Seven, eight win team, not a top 25 team. Went hard. Kansas State, that's the pick week one looking for. Maybe just kind of playing with your food. Week two, pick an Iowa on the money line in Week three, an Iowa team total over as a lock. I, I got nothing left because this team just continues just to like that last little bit because on one hand and shout out to Bunky Perkins as always, like always, entertain, entertains me. But he mentioned, you know, does every, you know, cyhawk game start 13 to 10. And, and because Funky also has a lot of good, you know, golf tweets too. You know what I thought, Tom? You know, people say like the Masters doesn't start till the back nine on Sunday. El Paso doesn't start till it's 13 to 10 in the second half. You know, and, and it's, and it's. Who makes the winning plays. Iowa State made the winning plays.

[Tom Fornelli]

Have you guys seen the game on paper on this?

[Chip Patterson]

Is it all terrible?

[Tom Fornelli]

Dude, I don't think I've ever actually seen this. At least not for a game that we're discussing in the first 30 minutes of a show. Zero percent explosive play rate for both sides.

[Bud Elliott]

This was, Listen, if you're Iowa State, you are thrilled to win this game, but I don't know what the hell you're happy about.

[Tom Fornelli]

Iowa State dominated EPA per drop back with 0.01 EPA per drop back because Iowa had negative 0.62 EPA like Rocco was.

[Bud Elliott]

Let me look at the stats. Through three quarters, Rocco was 13 of 20 for 91 yards. And then to his credit, in money time in the fourth quarter, he was absolute nails. He was 5 of 7 for 43.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't know, it just like this team.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, they, they, they make the plays when it counts. Like of course if they played that way for four quarters, you might not have to make those plays in the fourth quarter.

[Chip Patterson]

Like.

[Bud Elliott]

Again, nothing to be ashamed of there. And I also wonder too, this is something that it'll come to Kansas State. And we, we've seen this with Nebraska in years past. You start the year in I or in Ireland, you do not take a bye week, you come home, you play the next week even against an FCS opponent. And then in the third week you're playing a rivalry game. Kansas State goes to Ireland, comes back, plays an FCS opponent and then is playing a triple option team in Army. Like there's just like a third week kind of thing where you see these teams make the Ireland trip. They struggle. So if I'm Iowa State, I probably wouldn't be too worried about this. Like Iowa might just be like if I'm Iowa, I'm worried because I might just be straight ass, right? Iowa State, I might not be asked I might have just looked like ass today.

[Tom Fornelli]

So I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

I think they need a bye week, man.

[Tom Fornelli]

I. I definitely think he used a bye week. As a knoll who was, you know, traumatized but by this, this Ireland experience last year. I would be a little concerned if I was Kansas State about, like, vibes, culture, body language, chemistry. Like, I'm gonna sound the alarm there. Something looks weird with Kansas State to me.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh.

[Tom Fornelli]

I don't put my finger on it, but I don't know. They get that turned around. Maybe they do, but I. I don't know if we have their schedule that they. They don't look good at all.

[Bud Elliott]

Hey, but nobody got in a fight. They looked bad.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, they needed a late score to beat North Dakota. Then they just lost to army as a 17 and a half point favorite. But I'm not. That doesn't make me think less of Iowa State.

[Bud Elliott]

No, I'm just. My thought is that this week could be a result of that, like the travel and not having time off.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

They might be tired as hell more because. No, like, think like, you go to Ireland, you play that game, you come back, you play an FCS opponent, but you get no rest. And now you've got a huge rivalry game. Like, emotionally, physically, it could be wearing on you. So that way, when you get in this game, you're just not really all that sharp. And then I guess you ripped some smelling salts at the end of the third quarter and woke the hell up.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. And Iowa might be ass.

[Bud Elliott]

And Iowa might just be ass.

[Tom Fornelli]

The offense is in the defense. You allowed 238 yards and loss on the road.

[Chip Patterson]

No, but this, no, this.

[Bud Elliott]

That's. That's my point about Iowa State. Like, you won, but it's not like you were playing all that well.

[Chip Patterson]

But we, you know, Tom, you and I were on the. You're on CBS Sports HQ earlier and we were talking about this game and I said, you know, one of the things that I'm looking for is. Was week one, just kind of week one. If, if all the. Bud. What I said to him is like, if all the coaches are going to tell us some of the biggest jumps you make or week one to week two, I want to see it. Especially if you were ass in week one. I was. Offense wasn't good in week one. I was. Offense wasn't good in week two. I mean, are we breaking out the drive to 325?

[Bud Elliott]

I think we have to.

[Tom Fornelli]

Might have to bring it back. Yeah, it. This was very close to an awesome day for the Big 12. And then.

[Chip Patterson]

Sure. Wait, hold on.

[Bud Elliott]

It started pretty hot.

[Tom Fornelli]

Iowa State beats Iowa.

[Bud Elliott]

Then at that time, like, Kansas was up three scores on Mizzou.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I was gonna say, because I saw Kansas State lose. I saw Arizona State lose. I saw.

[Bud Elliott]

You know, it was a horrible day for the.

[Chip Patterson]

But I think, like.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, after watching week one, you're okay. Kansas State is not going to win the Big 12.

[Chip Patterson]

West Virginia loses to Ohio.

[Tom Fornelli]

But that's a team nobody expects getting out of this year.

[Bud Elliott]

He lost to him.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, but, like, for the most part, like, like, we don't. We don't denigrate the big. Like the Big Ten. When Purdue loses to an FCS team. We don't, you know, like, not.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

We see when the worst SEC team loses to a G5. Like, I. There's like a million teams in the Big 12. I don't think, like, anybody cares, perception wise, if the worst team in the Big 12 loses to Ohio, which I'm not even sure that they are the worst team in the Big 12. But you were about to go three and one in your four big games today.

[Chip Patterson]

And then Kansas lost.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, that was going to be the one.

[Chip Patterson]

Right.

[Tom Fornelli]

And then. And then Arizona State lost.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, they did. Which one do we want to talk about first?

[Chip Patterson]

I. I had a ball watching Missouri. Kansas.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes. That was a very, very fun football game.

[Chip Patterson]

Super fun football game. I don't know. I don't know if my opinions have changed on either team.

[Bud Elliott]

Mine have.

[Tom Fornelli]

Because of Bo's throwing. Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree.

[Bud Elliott]

I think. I think I need to reevaluate my opinion of Bo Pribula.

[Tom Fornelli]

I agree. I don't know. The Kansas defense was good, but at least it's. It's a. It's a P5 or P4 defense. And like, with how well that team should run the ball with his legs. You have to respect. He's hitting the throws that Missouri schemes up for him. Like, that's important. We didn't know he could do that. That's a box to check.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. No, he looked really dead. I mean, he looked like it's. He's Brady Cookish, but I think he's a better thrower based on what I've seen than Brady Cook is. And he's not as big. So I guess, you know, let me think. Let me. Let me figure out a little comp here.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, no. There's a disgusting conversation in the tail.

[Bud Elliott]

Trace McSorley. He's Trace McSorley. You came from Penn State. He fits that mold. And that's kind of who he's being for Mizzou.

[Chip Patterson]

Would Penn State have scored more points today if Beau Pribula was the quarterback?

[Bud Elliott]

I saw that. It is a thought I will have in big time this week because it is something that was brought up to me on Twitter and I was like, huh? I do not agree with it, but I would still like to understand.

[Chip Patterson]

Sure.

[Bud Elliott]

But I'm gonna need time to unpack it. I can't just do it now on the reaction show.

[Chip Patterson]

Right. We. And also, it's. Let's. I am. I'm gonna subscribe to the Tom Fornelli theory of load management. The Penn State Nittany Lions.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes, I will.

[Chip Patterson]

Yes, I will have a fair assessment of Penn State for Oregon because Oregon looks like a bleeping war machine. So, yeah, we'll. We will at least get to see what Penn State looks like when the Ducks come to town. Tough trip, tough spot. But.

[Bud Elliott]

But you were. You were talking earlier about, like, game management. I want to give a shout out to Eli, who routinely nails it, and he nailed it at the end of the first half in this game. He used his time, even though Mizzou was getting the. Like there was a minute left in the half, and a lot of coaches would just be like, all right, let's get to halftime. We've got the ball coming up in the third quarter. He used his timeouts, he got the ball back, his team drives down the field, scores, and then he gets the ball back in the third quarter. He is consistently one of the smartest coaches as far as timeout usage and game management week in and week out. And that's the one thing about this Mizzou team. It's like I mentioned it even when I was dogging him, where it's like, Eli always gets the best out of his offense. I underestimated Eli a little bit. He's just constantly going to get the best out of his team because he's just good at it.

[Tom Fornelli]

They've hit on Kevin Coleman. They had. You realize they had 200 yard rushers today.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Kansas had to respect Bo's legs. Bo rushed for 16 yards because Harvey.

[Chip Patterson]

Or Hardy went for 112. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. I mean, the. The stats show. Show six yards, but obviously, if you chop off, like, if you just look at, like, the design carries, it was four for 16. Okay.

[Chip Patterson]

Like.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like Kansas largely limited that. And you had Hardy and Roberts go for. What is that, like 2, 270. 260 right there. So that's pretty damn good. Coleman 10 catches 12 targets, spam that and honestly the tight end Norfleet is is a pretty good player for Missouri. I, I like what I saw.

[Bud Elliott]

I think this team is legitimately good.

[Tom Fornelli]

And I thought Daniels played. I know this sounds crazy if you look at these numbers. I thought Daniels actually played fairly well and made some. They made him earn it for the most part. That was, that was a fun game.

[Bud Elliott]

And also like to look at the total yards 595 to 254 like Kansas blitzed them to start and then it was a very much one sided game for the final three quarters. Even though it was very fun one sided. It was Mizzou just kind of running stuff.

[Tom Fornelli]

Pull up, pull up Missouri schedule if.

[Chip Patterson]

We have it well they don't leave forever.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm just. Are we going to be talking Missouri on one of those Tuesday night playoff shows? It might be because guys this schedule looks a little more manageable than it, than it did like last year we talked about how manageable this schedule was and they just weren't good enough to cash in on it. They might be good like they might be better this year than they were last year.

[Bud Elliott]

Were Luther Burden, Theo East, Brady Cook holding this team back?

[Chip Patterson]

I mean as a Chicago Bears fan I'm sure you're hoping.

[Bud Elliott]

No. Oh no.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh no.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh no.

[Chip Patterson]

The problem isn't the quarterback Tom. It's the third wide receiver.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh crap. Better do a three part piece on it on my sub stack.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you look at this Missouri schedule, they're not like massive dogs in that many games. Get South Carolina at home, they'll be favored over South Carolina. Not by much but they will. I think you get Bama at home. They don't know like Bama bounce back today but it's also Ulm at Auburn at Vandy. Okay. Like that's not super easy. Vandy played pretty well tonight. Well I'm sure we'll get there. You host A M. You host Mississippi.

[Chip Patterson]

State.

[Tom Fornelli]

At Arkansas like at Oklahoma looks tough.

[Chip Patterson]

Well all right to your question. So the first, the first reveal show is going to be between the Vanderbilt and the Texas A M game. I expect they will be a one loss or two loss team. So yeah 100 we're talking about him but if come away impressed and as we're sitting here, tomorrow's top 25 coming up before the end of the show. I might be reeval. I might, I, I might make a post show adjustment here. I might need to have Missouri ranked.

[Bud Elliott]

I, I think they'll be ranked.

[Chip Patterson]

Sorry Arizona. Well I listen man, you're making these, like, late adjustments so I can be on time to start the show early. So I kept Arizona.

[Bud Elliott]

I hear excuses. I hear excuses. That's all I hear. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

They'Ll be. They'll be ranked. Sorry, Arizona State, you're out of here.

[Bud Elliott]

Tired of having to be the guy constantly defending Missouri on the show from you.

[Chip Patterson]

You know what? I'm glad that you said it, because you're the only one that stood up for Missouri.

[Tom Fornelli]

You did.

[Bud Elliott]

Constantly on Mizzou side.

[Chip Patterson]

Constantly on Missouri side. All right, so we got Missouri, Kansas, we got Iowa State. Let's see, what else? Oh, speaking of super fun games. Smu, Baylor. I mean, super fun as long as you don't have any investment in either SMU or Baylor.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, I'll be honest. I. I watched it, but I'm going to need to rely on YouTube mostly for this one because there was another game going on at this point that had most of my attention.

[Tom Fornelli]

Sawyer was 53, 484, four touchdowns, no picks, one sack. He carved SMU, dude. Like, he was awesome. Just ball was on time. Ball placement right after the catch, dropping in a bucket. They're like their run game. Like, they ran it some, but it wasn't amazing. Like, Bryson Washington had 40, 179 on 42 carries, which is really not very efficient. And he also had a fumble lost, so Sawyer chipped in 52 rushing yards, by the way.

[Bud Elliott]

Does it all. He's the man.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, it's 650.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't know where you got 80 from.

[Tom Fornelli]

What? Oh, game on paper has 80.

[Bud Elliott]

No, it was 34 or 50.

[Chip Patterson]

No, no, no. You threw me off because. All right, here's what I've got for you, bud. 61 for 98 for 859 yards, seven touchdowns, zero interceptions. That's Sawyer Robertson through two games.

[Bud Elliott]

Is it time to get the Sawyer Robertson Heisman future? He's just gonna be racking up these numbers like this every week because his defense sucks. Like, could we have an RG3 kind of season with Sawyer Robertson?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes, you could. But RG3's Heisman season also required everybody else to kind of choke it away.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, yeah. What we've seen so far this year, that's not possible.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you pull up the drive log on this game, I want to make a point and tie this to the Boston College Michigan State game. Okay, Mikey, up at the top there. If you click over to drives. Drives. Yeah. So this game goes to overtime. They know in the second overtime that you have to Go for two, right? If you score a touchdown, they kick the extra point. Guys, if you are answering a touchdown with a touchdown in these first overtime, you run your best two point play, right? Then you don't give the opponent a chance to run their good one because most teams have one or two good ones that you feel good about. Boston College also made the same mistakes in it. Like they had a chance. They answered Michigan State's touchdown with a touchdown of their own and they decided to keep the extra point. Go overtime, they lose. Now that's not exactly why they lost, but that's just to me, like that's an error. Also, Georgia Tech made the same mistake last year against Georgia. If you all recall. If you're a coach out there, if you go second in the first overtime, you match a touchdown with a touchdown, your chance to win the game is right there. Do it.

[Chip Patterson]

14 point lead, right? That's what was choked away here by SMU.

[Bud Elliott]

Something.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

It was 38, 24 with eight and a half minutes left to play.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, there. There's an SMU choke job storyline here too. Again, not one that I think is going to generate a lot of attention or conversation, but Mustangs let one get away today. I don't know if it's gonna. I don't know what the ultimate punishment they're gonna receive for it other than dropping out of the top 25. Spoiler. But you had it like you'd played well enough to win this game and you blew it. And that stinks.

[Bud Elliott]

But they lost to BYU last year, right?

[Chip Patterson]

Yep.

[Bud Elliott]

So maybe losing to a Big 12 team in noncon is their secret to getting to the playoffs.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, but they did that with Preston Stone. And then their argument for the committee was like, that was Preston Stone. And the committee was like, oh, that's right.

[Bud Elliott]

That makes that argument. This year you could still tell them that. Odds are they won't know.

[Tom Fornelli]

Or look, they wouldn't have watched it.

[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

When Cade threw that crazy pick six, I was like, if that's how things are going, maybe that's how it's going. But I still wasn't really. There was way too much time left in the game for me.

[Tom Fornelli]

How concerned are we about Clemson's run game? Very. Okay.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Is there a run game to even be concerned about?

[Tom Fornelli]

It doesn't appear to be there.

[Chip Patterson]

No, no, it's big 2021 vibes. Remember in 2021 the defense was still good.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

They just had DJU and an ineffective offense. They still won nine games, but it was just they started the year in the top 10 and so there was a set of expectations. You know, we're coming off the 2020 season when they made the College Football Playoff and so yeah, of course they look ineffective offensively, but they still have a really good defense.

[Tom Fornelli]

DJ you mentions are triggering to me, Chip.

[Chip Patterson]

So I'm sorry.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, Ryan Williams, Randall had like a couple, like he had the 30 yard run and he had a couple double digit yard runs. But other than that, like there was a whole lot of like 1 and 2, 1 and 2, 1 and 2 and then 10, which I mean teams do it all the time. It works. It's just, it's hard to think that they're going to be able to rely on that throughout the entire season. And the way that Kate is playing, I don't know why defenses would even worry about defending the pass right now, which is going to just continue making it difficult for them to run the football behind an offensive line that I just still don't think is anything special. So, yeah, I. This, you know, they, they might get. Work their way into the ACC championship game again, win it and end up in the playoff. But man, I just, I don't see it with this team. I'm sorry, I. There's just nothing here that really makes me say, wow, that's special outside of the defensive line. And I don't know if having a great defensive line is enough.

[Tom Fornelli]

Can we pull up the Clemson schedule? Because I will say if LSU is really good, that loss is going to age well. It's not unforgivable to lose at home to LSU if LSU is really, really good. And we have seen Davo teams in the past get a lot better throughout the season.

[Chip Patterson]

So I would say that is a standard for Clemson football.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, I can't like totally write them off yet.

[Bud Elliott]

Okay, well, let me pose you this question. If they get better as the season goes on, is that bad because three of their next four games are on the road? Might they have two losses by the time they get good? Might they have three because they've got Georgia Tech next and then all Syracuse. Then they've got North Carolina on the road and bc, which lost in overtime today to Michigan State. But BC looks kind of respectable.

[Tom Fornelli]

I thought BC was the better team tonight. There was a. Two pretty ridiculous gifts that were given to the Michigan. Well, the one was just bad luck. Like the Michigan State kid fumbles the kickoff and then the BC guys run into each other trying to like, get it and then like, oh, he's got it. They, they hit each other and he has a, a really big return. And then BC gets hit with illegal participation on the D lineman who continue to chase the play for a little bit after his helmet got ripped off by the office. Like, oh, flag cool. They're going to call this back because it's hands to the face and. No, it's the, the personal foul for, you know, playing with your helmet off. And they had a pretty bad like non PI called I thought in the fourth quarter there. But I think BC's got a quarterback and I think like that was one of the better games to watch today. I mean, 40 to 42 in overtime, Michigan State gets the dub. I thought laundry played really well. Like they, I think he's nice fit for what Bill o' Brien does there. And I thought Charles played well, man. Like some of the throwing was, was better than it was against Western Michigan and he ran his butt off and he was tough. Like they hit him a lot and he's a pretty good athlete. So I was. That was a good game.

[Chip Patterson]

How much time you were talking about a good watch? Did you, did you enjoy watching America's most watched network, the network of stars? I want to see a dead body.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, speaking of, like we started the show with Billy Napier about him being fired. Like, speaking of fired coaches, I mean, what, what, what, what's the point of going on like this?

[Tom Fornelli]

Oregon Statute 166.07. Abuse of a corpse in the first degree. We talked about one of the fun things this season would be figuring out all these quarterbacks who haven't started before, like who hit on him, who didn't. And that was one of the real mysteries of the season and kind of like one of the fun things to figure out. I think they got one guys.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, Oregon. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Dante Moore looks really good.

[Chip Patterson]

Really good.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like, I'm a little worried still about their other receivers not named Decorian if they play good athletic defenses, which Oklahoma State's not, but Dante looks good. That team's going to be dangerous.

[Chip Patterson]

And again, Oklahoma State is a dumpster fire. But how many times, even on short little screen passes do you see four blockers out in front just mowing people down in the open field?

[Tom Fornelli]

That's part of his offense.

[Chip Patterson]

But I agree.

[Tom Fornelli]

But to your point, Gabriel Bo Nix, like Will Stein's done this with every quarterback he has.

[Chip Patterson]

But to your point about wide receivers, I don't need Gary Bryant Jr. To get one on one deep, perfect route running. But you give Gary Bryant Jr. The ball and blockers and that's a guy who can go and make explosive plays for.

[Bud Elliott]

Just, just listen. They had a 65 yard touchdown, a 42 yard touchdown, a 59 yard touchdown, a 25 yard touchdown and a 19 yard touchdown. And then they had plays of 51 yards, 53 yards that weren't touchdown. It was just big play after big play. Like this is an extremely explosive team.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you're into that kind of thing.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

And they look Malik Benson also talk about somebody who used to be on a milk carton and is now like, oh hey, let's go. Like he's, he's playing well for Oregon.

[Bud Elliott]

Like this team looks terrifying. And again, I, I agree with you. I think Oklahoma State's ass. But Like, I think Oregon is terrifying. I, I'm very happy that they are not on Illinois schedule this year because I remember what they did to Illinois last year and I feel like this year would be worse.

[Chip Patterson]

Did you hear Dante Moore decided to make this about Phil Knight?

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, I didn't, I didn't hear.

[Chip Patterson]

You.

[Bud Elliott]

Don't come in here talking about coming here.

[Chip Patterson]

Come on. Our 82 year old benefactor. Let's go. Don't say that about Grant. Would die for me and I would die for him.

[Tom Fornelli]

You don't come talking about him like that.

[Chip Patterson]

I'll kill you.

[Tom Fornelli]

Mike Gundy.

[Bud Elliott]

That's word for word what he said.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, the whole team took it personal. Like I didn't even need that. Like I didn't even need that part of the argument. You know, like there's plenty of a Mike Gundy argument, but in that little subhead of the story on CBSSports.com and I said, the legend becomes a liability. That's being a liability. You're going into this game with the team that you've got against the team that they've got and you're making matters worse.

[Bud Elliott]

Did, did you see the handshake between Lanning and Gundy before the game?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, it seems like.

[Bud Elliott]

Did you see the glimmer in Dan's eye?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, he knew.

[Bud Elliott]

I knew Oklahoma State was dead.

[Tom Fornelli]

I was like, oh no, he's going.

[Chip Patterson]

To put up 100 if he can.

[Bud Elliott]

He was like, hey, coach, good to see you.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, and remember when he was. Oh, what was the play? He got furious early about the small things that were clicking. I was like, oh God, he's. We haven't talked. We've. I, I do, I do appreciate our conversations with Dan Lanning. I haven't, I don't think I've ever talked about music with him. But the style of his football teams is death metal, you know, just like. And I just, you know, he was, he wanted everything perfect. Yeah. I'm couldn't very impressed with the Ducks equally horrified at what's become of the Oklahoma State football program right now.

[Tom Fornelli]

There's the running joke that all the spreads in the Big 12 are three points.

[Chip Patterson]

Nope.

[Tom Fornelli]

In either direction. I don't think that's the case this year.

[Chip Patterson]

I. There are definitive good teams and bad teams. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

You're gonna have some teams in the Big 12 that win 9, 10, 11, maybe 12 ball games. I don't know how many upsets UCF, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, maybe a few others are actually going to pull this year.

[Chip Patterson]

I'd agree with that. What about Oregon? We just talked. I mean.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, do you. How big is the gap between the third best Big Ten team and the fourth? Depending on who you think.

[Bud Elliott]

I honestly think there's a significant gap between the second and the third. And third might not be the team everybody thought was third before the season started.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh.

[Bud Elliott]

I think it's Ohio State and Oregon.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, and the third is Penn State. Okay, that's fine. But it's not like there's a new team to introduce. That's still the top three.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes, but I think in my, in my estimation Oregon has jumped over Penn State.

[Tom Fornelli]

I don't know that I'm willing to fully go there yet, but I, I think we can talk about a big three and not a big two.

[Bud Elliott]

And Oregon has to go to Penn State. So Penn State still very much has.

[Chip Patterson]

That in their favor and final record. And who wins head to heads might be different than.

[Tom Fornelli]

Sorry, I just saw Tom's joke in the, in the private.

[Bud Elliott]

I'm not making that on the show. No.

[Tom Fornelli]

Not unless you want a mid season vacation.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Cover three podcast and we'll just give you our dm. You, you give enough money to be a title sponsor for a whole dagum season. Sure, yeah. Why not? I think I, I think that what you just said, bud. I was thinking big two and don't forget about Oregon. They're good enough. But we were also looking at this. The floor could be eight and four was like a quote that was said here on the COVID three. No way. Absolutely not. The floor for this team is 10 and 2.

[Tom Fornelli]

Some of the other teams on Oregon schedule also look like meaningfully worse than we thought as well. Yeah, right. Like, you know, Rutgers has lost some really important line of scrimmage players just two weeks into the season. Left tackle and, and I think their best defensive lineman. You're not going to lose the Rutgers now without those guys, those bodies to.

[Chip Patterson]

Bang right at Iowa. Not scary, right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Iowa's not scary.

[Bud Elliott]

Northwestern next week could be huge. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

You're right, Tom. You're right. It could be a huge score. It could be even worse than 69. 3. That is true. It could be huge.

[Bud Elliott]

Ted told us he's excited to play in the Lakefront.

[Chip Patterson]

He did. He did tell us.

[Bud Elliott]

Glimmer in his eye again.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean that's the thing is he just, he knows, he's like, okay, all right. We invest at a top 10 level. We're trying to go win championships. I, I, how about this thing that's not A thing to me, but I want to see if it's a thing for y'. All. This is actually a probably a good, appropriate Cover 3 podcast conversation because I'm not going crazy about the Makai Hughes thing at this point. I think some people are like, oh, my gosh, I cannot believe he's not getting more touches. He was their big transfer portal addition. What is going on? What does he need to do to impress the coaching staff? They have so many good players and they are still so effective. I'm not. I don't. I don't think that this is. It's. It's not moving me one way or the other.

[Tom Fornelli]

Did you guys see who's number six in the Heisman voting now? Wait, well, not voting, but with the Heisman odds, is it more?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, it's a wide open race. Like, John Matiere is your new Heisman favorite. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

That makes sense.

[Chip Patterson]

But no, Winnington's awesome. Lamar, Not Lamar, but L, I M, A R. You know, like, they've got dudes and they're all. They all sit. Not they. They stand together on the sideline. They're rotating him in and out. I don't know. I think that's a. The look of a good team. So I'm not going to freak out about it.

[Tom Fornelli]

I'm just looking at the tailgate here. I watched this game. I didn't realize this in real time. The Hokies had negative four yards in the second half.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Real Brent Price special.

[Tom Fornelli]

Holy cow.

[Bud Elliott]

No, no, no, Chip. It was. It was not a Brent Price special.

[Chip Patterson]

It's a Clark Lee.

[Bud Elliott]

Barton Simmons, Clark Lee specials. What, that?

[Chip Patterson]

No, no. Barton Simmons got a lot of. Of time as, like, not a true get back man, but at least as a. Hey, I'm gonna like him and Jerry kill. We're spending a lot of time getting within, like, arm's reach of Clark. Barton, I know you're listening. You're doing a great job mowing the lawn right now, but is at home his good mic so you can hear him through your earphones. You and Jerry did a fantastic job. When Clark started getting into the ear of those officials in Blacksburg, they were SEC officials, not ACC officials. So I don't want to hear any, like, you know, I don't. I don't want to hear anything going sideways on conference bias. This was a lot of individual actions that these officials took that Clark was not a fan of whatsoever. And he was chewing out anybody that would listen to him. And Barton and Jerry did a Fantastic job of being around but not escalating the situation. If he needed to get back, they were ready for it. And yeah, Vanderbilt just put the absolute clamps on Virginia Tech after halftime and they put together 10 minute drives. You know, I mean just you, you are not. We are going to get four yards at a time. You know, we are just going to just chew you up. Success. Success. Success. Touchdown. It was over by October. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

So Eli Stowers is probably like the best receiving threat tight end in the sec. Although LSU would have an argument and Norfleet at Missouri is pretty good. I thought Trey Richardson, number six had some pretty nice catches for him today. That was good. And then I, I, they, they found something there in the second half. Some of the motion stuff they do accounting for Pavia. They hit like multiple explosive runs just right up the A gap. That was, that was pretty good watch. Like they, they found something that, and they kept spamming it and that's, that's what good play callers do.

[Chip Patterson]

Yep, good work by Vanderbilt going into Blacksburg. Coming out with the win, Brent Pry, 10 point lead at halftime. Double digit loss Falls to O and two in a must win season. Let's. Yo, do we have Mikey? Can we, can we get Lane? Can we get Lane? Shouting out all the good people in the tailgate here.

[Tom Fornelli]

Really glad how the people play, how the players played, especially in the second half, second quarter and you know, they fought hard. That's a really hard team that plays really close games. So proud of our guys. Sorry to a lot of gamblers there at the end.

[Bud Elliott]

Just, just in case you ever wondered whether we were kidding when we said Lane is very much aware of what the spread is of every game. He's coaching it.

[Tom Fornelli]

Ole Miss, the perfect job for him. Yes.

[Chip Patterson]

That'S the problem is we're trying to hire him at Florida. But Ole Miss is the perfect job.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Lane, you've been at the perfect job before and you couldn't, you could not like ignore the sirens call.

[Bud Elliott]

The only thing that could have been better is if Lane made a drill noise.

[Chip Patterson]

I know. So obviously you're a little bit concerned. Austin Simmons gets knocked out of this game, he should be okay, right?

[Tom Fornelli]

Who do they have next on the schedule?

[Bud Elliott]

I don't remember. I mean, Austin said, I mean he's young, he's gonna make mistakes. But he had two turnovers today. Now he's injured, so I don't know.

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I mean Calzada, not, not a strong day throwing the football and yet they still managed to stay in this game. You know, for.

[Bud Elliott]

Came up.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. Ole Miss D line is not what it was prior. That Arkansas game. Might have a hundred points if Simmons is healthy. Because I, I do think Arkansas will score on them and maybe score a lot. Arkansas get any stops? I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. So Ole Miss is currently in first place in the SEC though, so.

[Chip Patterson]

Well, all right. So do you just give Ole Miss credit? Because it, it does this and Iowa, Iowa State, even though they were in different windows, had the same feel of. Oh, yeah, of course this happens in this game. Even though Ole Miss and Kentucky do not have a long storied history, it was just the way that Mark Stoops was able to confound the Ole Miss offense in a way that we hadn't really seen at all last year. That when it happened again, it's like, yeah, look, Stoops has got Lane stuck in the mud again. You know, like, I found myself accepting of results that were so far from what the expectation was. So if, if Iowa, Iowa State is supposed to be on an island, is Ole Miss, Kentucky on an island? Or is there stuff that we can take away for both teams?

[Tom Fornelli]

I thought Ole Miss was more dedicated to running the football, this game against Kentucky than they have been in the past. Sometimes I feel like Stoops has frustrated Kentucky by. Or frustrated Ole Miss when he's at Kentucky by saying, hey, look, we're just not gonna allow the ball over the top. We're not gonna have these explosive plays. And, you know, today they got him on some of the play action stuff, but, I mean, SIMMONS had what, 24 dropbacks?

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's not, it's not a real lane game. Like they, they really ran the football a lot. Did they run it great? Not really, but they stayed committed to it, which is something like we just sometimes say, and that's not always a good thing to do. But like, their passing game is not quite what it was last year yet. And obviously Simmons getting dinged up hurts a little bit, but he's a young kid, he's learning still.

[Chip Patterson]

I saw, I saw a top 15 team go on the road today. Didn't play great, you know, right away things weren't going well. But Bud, do you know what good teams do? They make the opponent pay for their mistakes. When you've got a good foundation, you just keep punching. And even if things aren't landing, you just wait. And every now and then the opponent's going to drop their gloves and then you can just throw a knockout and you can cry about how close all those Other rounds were. But if you don't have it till the end of the fight, you get knocked out. That's a ko. Sorry, Duke. That's a ko. Oh, you're doing so well for all that time. Well, you know, that's a KO. That's a 45 to 19 win for the fighting of Lion Eye. Tom.

[Bud Elliott]

It always. Yeah, I mean, clearly the game was super close. That's why he lost by 26.

[Chip Patterson]

Have you seen the copium from Duke fans?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, the game was super close. In fact, they were the better team. That's why they lost by 26.

[Chip Patterson]

That's right.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay, so you have seen the copium.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, I mean, I got lucky. Oh, Illinois was so lucky to come out of there with a win like those, those turnovers that Duke had. All, all five of them. All luck. Duke sending out two dudes in the same jersey number on a punt return, giving Illinois a free first down that Illinois then turned into a touchdown. Pure luck. Yeah. Duke substituting too early, continuing to allow Illinois to do its late substitutions to slow down your tempo. Pure luck. Just, man, thank you. Thank you for all that luck. Gods.

[Tom Fornelli]

So if you go to game on paper, Tom, if you take away your 14.7 turnover lock points, you guys lose, right?

[Bud Elliott]

No, no, we actually still win by two scores.

[Tom Fornelli]

Are you still winning? Cover. Okay.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now listen, Illinois was not perfect today. No, I'm not gonna.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's the thing is like that, that was my, my note in my notebook, Tom. I said that's what good teams do. Good teams go on the road, don't have their best stuff, and they just hang in there and they just keep punching and they wait for the opponent to mess up.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, Illinois, the run game was bad. Like, even if you take out the sack yardage, the run game was not what you would be very happy with. They. They made up for it in the second half when they started to wear on Duke, but they struggled to move the ball on the ground early. Duke was getting a ton of pressure. They had four sacks. They finished with 10 tackles for loss. A lot of that came in the first half. Illinois adjusted more in the second half, but Luke was flustered early in the game. The tackles were both struggling and it was just, you know, even while they were struggling, they were still up 14 to 6 until like the end of the first half. Duke drives downfield, gets a touchdown in the last minute because they're so much better when they're in their two minute drill and they're not huddling. Like, if they're just letting. If they're not allowing the other team to sub and they're letting Mensa just go out there and, like, kind of, you know, vibe it, they're better. It's. When they. We talked about this during the week when Illinois, they were either blitzing or they were dropping eight. And they would drop eight and say, read it. And men. So a lot of the times couldn't they blitz? He could sometimes make a play by getting out of the pocket with his legs and extend it and complete a pass, and that was what was working for him. But there were the turnovers there, and then there was the other side where Illinois, just. While they weren't playing great, they weren't making mistakes. And then when they had chances to score, they scored like Duke didn't. And that's really the difference between good teams and teams that aren't so good.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, you're. If you. If you look at kind of like the. The green, purple split like, you know, purple bad, green good. You doubled up their explosive play rate.

[Bud Elliott]

Like that. We were concerned about Illinois's receivers coming in, and Hank Beatty so far has been everything that Pat Bryant was. I mean, he finished with 8 for 128 today. And they're still scheming up big plays in the passing game with ease. So, like, that's one thing I think that we kind of just have to get through everybody's head is like, this team can scheme up some passing plays. Like, they will hit big shots on you through the passing game. It's the run game where they struggle.

[Tom Fornelli]

Chat wants to talk Georgia. I did not watch Georgia.

[Chip Patterson]

I didn't either. They had a weather delay. There was a lot going on. It was just kind of a. A game that got law. It was Austin P. Here's what I've got. I've got. Georgia fans are lighting up Bobo Shocker, offensive line coach. They are declaring regression. They said ever since Kirby had to make the replacement hires, he brought back Mark Richt retreads. And every whole program's gone to hell ever since. I'm not ready to jump in on any of that, but they're angry.

[Bud Elliott]

Isn't this kind of what Georgia does in these games?

[Tom Fornelli]

Sometimes I. I don't want to waste a whole lot of Showtime on a game I didn't watch. Yeah, if you guys didn't watch it, let's. Let's save it for Monday.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I mean, I still would argue that Georgia's approach to Austin P. Is not going to tell us anything about Georgia, right?

[Bud Elliott]

That. That is an Austin P team that did just beat Middle Tennessee. Chip, you could probably show him a little more respect than that.

[Tom Fornelli]

So Colby Young, seven catches. Zach Branch, three. Okay, 6.7 yards per attempt. I. We're just reading a box score here. I. I just. I didn't watch the game.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. Did you watch Arch?

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

What'd you think?

[Tom Fornelli]

I thought he looked a lot better. I mean, it's San Jose, which lost to Central Michigan, so did you guys see the clips on the Fox, like, replay cameras? Where have you guys seen this? I may. I may have this.

[Bud Elliott]

This tweet.

[Tom Fornelli]

Somebody sent this to me. Like, it looked like he was grimacing last week on some of his follow throughs.

[Chip Patterson]

No, you. I'm not gonna over. I. I'm not gonna.

[Bud Elliott]

Can't say I was paying super close attention to this game.

[Tom Fornelli]

Texas defense is still really, really damn good. Arch looked better. I think Texas is fine.

[Chip Patterson]

He made some. All right, so by Arch's own. His own assessment, sloppy. You know, he was like, we were sloppy. You know, you still win because it's 38. Seven guys made plays. Wasn't a super efficient day. It's what you want to hear. You want to win by 31 points and have your star quarterback be like, yeah, we should have been better. We can be a lot better. So defense, like you said, I think. I think that the defense is going to keep a lot of teams to a very, very, very low point total, and they just have too much talent. So that even when things are sloppy, they're going to be able to score a lot of points. So when you score four, five touchdowns and your Arch batting, it's going to be up there. But I enjoyed getting the clarity from the man himself that it's like, yeah, it was. It was fine. Steve Sarkeesian said he made some mistakes. We're going to grow from that. We're going to continue to get better. They just. The way that Texas schedule sets up, they're just going to have a lot of games where a 31 point win and you're like, okay, all right. Pretty good. All right, let's see what else. What else stands out?

[Bud Elliott]

Mississippi State.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Let's go.

[Bud Elliott]

They really tried to blow that one, didn't they?

[Chip Patterson]

170 lead at halftime.

[Bud Elliott]

So Kenny's catching a lot of heat for the field goal at the end. Some people are calling him Cowardly Kenny, not me. But I don't know, like, did you hate it that much? Like, I was I had more of.

[Tom Fornelli]

A problem with the play calls on your offensive line. Was the major concern coming to this game because of how they looked against the FCS team?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, I kind of, I kind of wish they would have just play action. Rollout once on one of those three, you know, the first and goal, second goal, third and goal. Just try it. But like the way that Mississippi State's offense had played throughout the entire second half and the way my defense was playing, I think I'm okay with kicking the field goal there. Just Mississippi State made a play.

[Tom Fornelli]

The last time Arizona State lost on a big end of game play was Texas. They live by the death. They live by the blitz. They died by the blitz.

[Chip Patterson]

Great callback.

[Tom Fornelli]

If you watch that play at night, I think they send six, the outside backer slips down and falls down. There's nobody in the middle of the field. If you send six, you don't get home. The math is not on your side. It's a layup throw for a quarterback. If there's no pressure on him, he hits it. That's how they play defense. They're pretty good at it. I think they're well coached but like, you know, didn't work.

[Bud Elliott]

I also point out like Sam Levitt 1022 for 82 yards.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

They can still run the ball pretty well.

[Chip Patterson]

I thought Mississippi State did a great job of getting after him and. And that might just be a.

[Bud Elliott]

But that's a problem. Yeah, I think that might problem.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. But how many, like we judge Mississippi State against SEC teams. Does Mississippi State have one of the better defensive lines that Arizona State is going to face?

[Tom Fornelli]

Sarah State play Utah or Texas Tech?

[Chip Patterson]

I mean you just mentioned two teams, but now, now at a third, Baylor. I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

I think it's more. I think it's more in line with the par in the Big 12. I don't know if I would say it's one of the better Big 12.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay.

[Tom Fornelli]

They had some issues last week on offense as well. Arizona State did.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Also like what were. They were like 6 and 1 and 1 score games last year. Oh, and win this year.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think that's fair. What else?

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, Isaac. Isaac's still hanging out with us. Yeah. Dom Orange and Iowa State. Sure.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean you've only got. You don't have a, you know like 4, but Dom's like 1.5 or 2 just by himself.

[Bud Elliott]

Look at. Chip is so scared of Isaac. He was like, hell, he's gone to bed I can go back to Hayden, Iowa State, and then as soon as he shows up, he's like, iowa State's a great team. They're just the best at everything they do.

[Chip Patterson]

No, I just, I, I, before week zero, I mentioned to Jack Crosby, I was like, man, I really hate going this hard on a fade of a team that's playing in week zero. I don't even have time. You know, you fade a team, you would hope you at least have an FCS warm up and then a Wheat. Yeah, no, I get to be wrong on August 23rd. You know how? I mean, you get it out of the way. Like going two and eight in week one locks. Just get it out of the way. Flush it.

[Bud Elliott]

Iowa State did have three sacks today. It's about time they showed up. Yeah, they're not doing it the first two games.

[Tom Fornelli]

Shouts to Montana or Missouri State for getting your first FBS win. They go to Marshall and get the dub there. Who else? Long island beat Eastern Michigan.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, Florida prepared him. We need to give Florida more credit. Like, sure, they lost really tough Long island team.

[Chip Patterson]

No, that is just a tough scene. That is what it is, tough. That is Shout out to all the.

[Bud Elliott]

Teams who scored 70 points today.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, there was not those teams.

[Bud Elliott]

Oregon came up one short, but Tennessee, Ohio State, Ohio State, Florida State. It was, it was real. Oh, Alabama.

[Tom Fornelli]

48 defensive players today, according to PFF. That's got to be every single healthy defensive player on their roster, right?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I would imagine so. It's close.

[Tom Fornelli]

If not, you're only carrying 110 now. So if you take specialists out, how many defensive players are you really carrying on a roster? Like 52. All right, I know a couple guys are banged up like they might have literally played their entire defensive roster in this game.

[Chip Patterson]

Some students you might have seen DK stats and information. Talk about this. Tom, did you see it?

[Bud Elliott]

Did I? Danny Canal, stats and information.

[Chip Patterson]

Don't look it up. Don't. No, no. You stay right here.

[Bud Elliott]

I might need whatever it is. I'm sure it is neutral.

[Chip Patterson]

So today's point total from the Florida State Seminoles is tied for second all time for Florida State in a single game. Do you know who's first.

[Bud Elliott]

In Florida State history?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Let me guess. Danny played for him.

[Chip Patterson]

No, first is.

[Tom Fornelli]

No, I, I was there.

[Chip Patterson]

First is the 2013 team.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Which threw up how many, bud?

[Tom Fornelli]

Was it 81?

[Chip Patterson]

80?

[Bud Elliott]

I'm like Bishop Sycamore.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, the, the 2013 team threw up 80.

[Tom Fornelli]

It wasn't Savannah State because they actually shortened that game. And that was the only time I'd ever been in the press box where I was like, I'm a little scared for like the player safety on the Savannah State team. Like, these guys should not be playing a paycheck game. This is ridiculous.

[Chip Patterson]

Was it. Today's 77 is actually tied for second. Do you know what year another team put up 77 points in Florida State history?

[Tom Fornelli]

This has got to be a Danny thing.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, it's 1995.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Okay. Yeah, that's gonna say that's the only way Dandy would know because we sure as hell no he ain't doing the research.

[Tom Fornelli]

Wait, the 80 day. The 80 game was against Petrino's brother, right?

[Chip Patterson]

Paul Petrino, Idaho.

[Tom Fornelli]

Because Jimbo was pissed. Was it the. It was Idaho, right?

[Chip Patterson]

I was just telling you, Paul Patrino is Idaho.

[Tom Fornelli]

The team is quarter. Because I remember thinking like, why is this team smack talking this Florida State team where like every single player is getting drafted? Like, this is not. This does not make a lot of. It was pre game. It was nasty.

[Bud Elliott]

It was like, this is silly.

[Tom Fornelli]

What are you guys doing?

[Chip Patterson]

All right, 86 minutes.

[Bud Elliott]

Put a pin 80 to 14 against us.

[Tom Fornelli]

I remember thinking like, okay, this is really not. This is not real smart.

[Bud Elliott]

Put.

[Chip Patterson]

Put a pin in it so that we can bring it up on Monday. Ask him for it.

[Bud Elliott]

Want another fun fact?

[Chip Patterson]

You know, do you know who they played? Because. Because like, okay, so today was against Bethune. 2013 was against Idaho. Do you know who Danny's 77 Burger was against? Duke, Duke, NC State.

[Bud Elliott]

Damn.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, wow.

[Tom Fornelli]

It's a couple years before Tory Holt.

[Bud Elliott]

Yep.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, 77. 17 on Jefferson Pilot sports fun fact.

[Bud Elliott]

Of the 2013 Knowles. The fewest points they scored in the game that year was 34. And that was in the title game against Auburn.

[Chip Patterson]

Which they won.

[Bud Elliott]

Which they won.

[Tom Fornelli]

They did. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Because 34 is all you needed to win the national championship. Shout out C.J. bailey. Yep. NC State. Virginia super fun game. No, not a.

[Bud Elliott]

Not a game where I leave feeling optimistic about other team in it.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, all things considered, the idea that Virginia could come out and score with anybody, huh?

[Bud Elliott]

And anybody can score against Virginia.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah, agreed. I will say the one thing I would take away from this is I thought Bailey, in that opening week against East Carolina threw three drop picks or picks like. Like balls that definitely should have been picked and were not. And for them to throw up 35 today has got to be encouraging. I know UVA's had a lot of injuries in the secondary, but that's if you're an NC State fan, you're happy about that.

[Chip Patterson]

Yep. I mean, it was a interception in the. I mean, they've had a defensive stop in the red zone on a fourth down, and they've had an interception in the end zone. It's. It's playing with fire right now with. With the Wolf Pack.

[Tom Fornelli]

I mean, you did give up 514 yards.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Is a fun game. It was a super fun game to not be invested in, you know, back and forth.

[Tom Fornelli]

I like that.

[Chip Patterson]

What else. What else stood out from today before we do tomorrow's top 25?

[Tom Fornelli]

Those USC receivers are good, dude.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, I haven't gotten a chance to watch.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh, you're gonna enjoy these highlights.

[Chip Patterson]

I saw some Jacoby Lane highlights, you know, like. Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

USC Jade Maiva, casual. 16 of 24. For how much you think?

[Chip Patterson]

424.

[Tom Fornelli]

412.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay. There we go.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's a pretty good little 17.2 per attempt. Okay. Watching Waymond Jordan, that running back, who they're super excited about, 16 for 167, that was a gamble for them because they did not. They decided not to match the number that Texas Tech offered. That kid. The. The running back who is a good player for Texas Tech, signed like, that's a good gift for Texas Tech. And it was a bit of a gamble for usc.

[Bud Elliott]

And they're like, no, we.

[Tom Fornelli]

We like this Jordan kid, and so far, he looks nasty.

[Chip Patterson]

I didn't watch Wisconsin. I had some panic early, but they righted it with the final score.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, it was scary for a while, but then they hit two big plays to their receivers, Kekahuna and Vinnie Antony, and then it was over.

[Chip Patterson]

We talked about Kansas State. Bad vibes.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. UNC got the win. I didn't really see it.

[Chip Patterson]

Their. So the. Their best drives. This is like the one takeaway that I have, right? I did not have it as a main screen. I did not watch every single snap. But the fact that Geo Lopez scrambling ended up being such an important part of the most productive drives probably answers any of those quarterback questions, because remember, coming out of the TCU game, it's like, oh, maybe you got a quarterback question. Geo or Max? Well, it's like, well, they are not running, but they get in, like, third and short situations, and they're not running right at them. They're trying to go, like, roll out, short little pass. They do not trust their ability to run behind their offensive line. And if that's going to be the case, you got to have Geo Lopez's Mobility there.

[Tom Fornelli]

Can that get fixed as they get some of these guys back who are hurt on the offensive line, you think or.

[Chip Patterson]

I think that yes, they can get better as they get healthier, but they are very. They seem obviously very, very concerned. Both. Both lines of scrimmage are not great. And that was. That was the narrative that they sold or two weeks in and that's not what you have. Chris Culliver also went down with a shoulder injury. I'm going to be monitoring that. He was ruled out for the rest of the game, but it's a pretty good wide receiver. Davion Goss got a touchdown. That was nice, but like him, Caleb Hood, Gio Lopez behind. A better offensive line would be a lot more intimidating, but right now, they're just not getting any push.

[Tom Fornelli]

How often do you guys click on PAC12 when you're looking for a box score? Teams are in new league still. Well, it's just force of habit.

[Bud Elliott]

I don't. I just. I'm like ball knower, so I know conferences.

[Tom Fornelli]

Julian Lewis played.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

The best part of that game. Did you see the Dion interview?

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Tom Fornelli]

No.

[Bud Elliott]

What's the quarterback's name? The one who played well. Not juju and not salty. Yeah. Stob comes in and he was asked because the interviews with Stob and Dion after the game, and Stob was asked about, you know, like the moment, blah, blah, and he started it by saying, I had a dream. Then he goes on his spiel. Then Dion's talking at the end, and then he just said at the very end, and he goes and Martin Luther Staub over here. He had a dream.

[Chip Patterson]

Do you believe?

[Tom Fornelli]

Well, there's got to be some more here.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, there is. Oh, no. Come on.

[Bud Elliott]

That. I heard that. That, like, drew a legit, like, guffaw. He called him Martin Luther.

[Tom Fornelli]

Stop.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, man. All right, I. Okay. Are we anything else?

[Tom Fornelli]

There's something we have to do every week.

[Chip Patterson]

Whoa. We get the opportunity to do correct. And now, coming up on the other side, we take a look at the new AP Top 25 rankings. Where are new teams going to be sorted? And more next.

[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

This September, experience the football sports horror event of the season. From producer Jordan Peele comes Him, directed by Justin Tipping and starring Marlon Wayans as the Goat and Tyreek Withers as his protege. Things aren't as they seem when Isaiah White calls upon Cameron Cade to train with him at his compound to be the next goat. Him is out September 19 and promises that maybe you should never meet your idols. Back here on the COVID 3 podcast where we always enjoy spending some time looking at what the new AP Top 25 is going to look like on Sunday. It was a day that you might not have projected there to be much shake up. There was, after all, just one game between ranked opponents. That was Oklahoma's win against Michigan. But we still saw ranked teams lose. We saw Florida lose to unranked usf. We saw that Arizona State team go into Starkville and get Clanga Clanga Clanga Klanga knocked off by the Cowbells and Mississippi State. So many movements that are going to come that we maybe didn't see coming. Also, how about this one? I'm going to project a team that was in the top 10, won and dropped will drop out of the top 10. Any predictions on who that's going to be?

[Tom Fornelli]

South Carolina?

[Bud Elliott]

Clemson?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

We think that they get behind where like Illinois is now in the top 10. They dropped down like what, 11 right.

[Chip Patterson]

Ahead of Florida State. I was looking at the voting points. I was assuming that the goodwill would Be gone. And what I mean by that is that the coaches poll had Clemson at 6, the AP poll had Clemson at 4. A lot of your power ratings, more traditional, you know, database stuff, had Clemson around 8, 9, 10. AP poll had him at 4. You go down 16, nothing to Troy in the middle of a busy day. I don't care if you're the AP voter in Vegas, if you're the AP voter in Happy Valley, if you're the AP voter in El Paso, that's gonna set off some alarm bells. Now Clemson came back and righted the ship, but I'm expecting that, I'm expecting a little bit of a step back for the Clemson Tigers in that move. Iowa State I do have moving up a couple spots. Some of that is the reshuffling. I've got Oklahoma making a move up, probably landing behind Florida State. Now where should USF fall after taking down Florida? Where an argument could be made that with a win against Boise State and a win against Florida, they have two of the better wins of any resume from a rankings perspective.

[Tom Fornelli]

Are they going to get in? Who will drop out?

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, I, that's easy. I've got Florida and SMU dropping out and Arizona State once I knock them out after we get done recording.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, so you think Arizona. Yeah, I could see that. I just. That's. Wow. Going from 12 to completely unranked in one week will be. I'm sure Big 12 fans will take that. Well.

[Tom Fornelli]

That would be encouraging in that voters are not so beholden to their priors.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I think South Florida probably will probably end up at 24, 25. I'm not saying that's where they should be. I bet you that's where they end up.

[Tom Fornelli]

Did you guys watch Indiana today?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, they smoked it through the filter.

[Tom Fornelli]

Yeah. They're not going anywhere.

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Bud Elliott]

Until Illinois beats them next week will.

[Tom Fornelli]

Be a pretty big shake up week for this.

[Chip Patterson]

Michigan will hold on.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, you're not going to get knocked out of the rankings if you're Michigan for losing on the road to Oklahoma.

[Chip Patterson]

I think Auburn's knocking on the door.

[Bud Elliott]

I think BYU could sneak in if they finish off what they're doing to Stanford. Oh no, wait, everybody went to bed.

[Chip Patterson]

No, no, but listen. Auburn beat Baylor, Baylor beats smu. SMU falls out.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, that, that could work, but it's going to depend on the voters. I don't. Yeah, shocker.

[Tom Fornelli]

I think what hurts Auburn is that Ole Miss and Tennessee were already in front of them and like Tennessee's win over Syracuse looks worse now. Because Syracuse, what they need overtime against, against Yukon. So you know, like that's, that's not impressive.

[Bud Elliott]

And also like just the way that the mind works when you're putting these ballots together. Let's see, there's what, there's already like nine or ten teams from the SEC and the ballot. I mean, maybe you knock Florida out, but like, so if you've only got nine teams at that point you're like, all right, What's a Big 12 team I could put on here or an ACC team? That's just the way a lot of people would think.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's fair. But I'm just saying there were enough people that Auburn was finished finishing 27th in the voting points last week, so they're already on the ballot for a lot of voters.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm not saying it can't happen, but I. BYU is on a lot too, and they're gonna win.

[Chip Patterson]

I think. I would not be surprised if USF makes it into the high teens.

[Bud Elliott]

No, like you're, you mean low team. Okay.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, yeah, sorry.

[Tom Fornelli]

Right. Like 18, 19.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, 18, 18, 19.

[Bud Elliott]

You know. Okay.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, some like jump jumps ahead of. And that's the one where you'd be like, whoa. And I even wrote in tomorrow's top 25 today there's going to be teams that would not be favored on a neutral field. You know, like, like that argument will be there. But being reminded of the instructions that AP top 25 voters have to start over and at some point you got to throw out what you thought about the preseason and USF has overshot, while some of those other teams near the edge of the rankings have kind of been fine, kind of meeting expectations. So I would not be surprised if they. Not at, not a 24, 25. I'm projecting that they, they end up checking in somewhere, you know, between like 15 and 20.

[Bud Elliott]

Where'd you put Illinois 10, 10. Who do you have ahead of them?

[Chip Patterson]

I could swap South Carolina out because they swapped last week and that right now as it's on the site. South Carolina 9, Illinois 10, South Carolina. The Gamecocks are still in action against South Carolina State due to a weather delay in Columbia.

[Bud Elliott]

Does the South Carolina have a four score road win against an P4 opponent?

[Chip Patterson]

No, but they've got a double digit win on a neutral against a P4 opponent.

[Bud Elliott]

That's Owen 2 now, which lost at.

[Tom Fornelli]

Home by 24 points to Vanderbilt.

[Bud Elliott]

And I assume you've got Notre Dame ahead of Illinois.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, yeah, I do have that.

[Bud Elliott]

Do they have a win at all?

[Chip Patterson]

I, I think you need to take this up with Ralph. As we have discussed often, this is a Ralph issue, not a Chip issue.

[Bud Elliott]

Ralph probably won't even have Illinois on his ballot.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, he probably won't.

[Bud Elliott]

He said he's pissed at me because of the Giants. They're catching the Met.

[Tom Fornelli]

We, we will have. We have a lot of ranked V rank games next next week or games where it's like ranked V team that is in that 26 to 33 ish range next week.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Like. And in which case they'll probably swap each other out. So not a lot of action. For those who are wondering at the top. Ohio State, you're old. Congratulations. Penn state after a 10.

[Bud Elliott]

0.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, what's going on? They got things right against FIU. Sleepy start for LSU. Got things right. Georgia we talked about earlier. Miami, you played Bethune. Oregon, absolute war machine. I mean there's just nothing to do up in there in the top five or six.

[Bud Elliott]

You don't think Oregon has a chance to kind of slide up there seeing as how they just won by 66 against a Big 12 team while Penn State was struggling with FIU?

[Chip Patterson]

I do, I think that there's just going to be too many diamond hands. But my explanation in the story, like I wrote more about Oregon than I did those other teams and it was saying that their ceiling is number three or number four. They got one first place vote in last week's balloting. Get like one or two more of those first place votes. We could really be, you know, making a stew at that point. But I'm, I'm gonna leave them at six thinking that they might be lazy. So who would allege laziness? Yeah, whomst amongst us, as they say.

[Tom Fornelli]

I do think TV executives are like, not that we have, you know, we, we're not TV executives but like speak for yourself, Ford. LSU lost a bit of juice.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes.

[Tom Fornelli]

From a like that. That. That's the big ESPN night game for next year.

[Chip Patterson]

Hold on. Let's, let's put a button on this and, and listen this that those are the mini changes you can see. Go ahead and check it out over@cbs sports.com for tomorrow's top 25 today. Now Bud's TV exec corner wrap up.

[Bud Elliott]

Here comes time rating champion Bud Elliott.

[Chip Patterson]

To tell you about the RA chs. Hey, do you know what that was? That was the most cope. Like listen, I, I know the North Carolina just got it put in their ear tonight, but did you see the TV Ratings. We are going to be high on the ACC payouts.

[Bud Elliott]

Those matter more than wins right now.

[Chip Patterson]

If you're an ACC school.

[Tom Fornelli]

That's right. What do you think the record is for a Big Noon Big Ten matchup as far as spread?

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, oh, like the biggest.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

And are we going to break it next week because it's Big Noon is Oregon at Northwestern.

[Bud Elliott]

Wow.

[Tom Fornelli]

Did Purdue play in one last year?

[Bud Elliott]

I don't remember. I know that they like the Notre Dame game was on cbs.

[Tom Fornelli]

Like the, the chat is saying Ohio Marshall, but I'm talking about like a Big 10Vers. Big Ten game.

[Bud Elliott]

Ohio State Marshall. I don't know, like big. They typically get like the first. Like when they typically the way things have gone is when they don't have a marquee Big Ten game to pick, they've gone with like a Big 12 game.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, I saw that.

[Bud Elliott]

I think there's a very good chance next week sets that record, although we don't know what the record is.

[Chip Patterson]

That Delaware game being on big broadcast television, when I realized it earlier this week, it kind of caught me off guard. Wait, what channel is that on the Colorado Delaware game?

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, what channel?

[Tom Fornelli]

That was on fox.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh.

[Chip Patterson]

At 3:30 I said I'm just quad.

[Tom Fornelli]

Boxing so much that I kind of lose track of who has which game.

[Bud Elliott]

I had that on the quad box. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tom Fornelli]

For a little bit. And I was like, I'm done with this.

[Bud Elliott]

It was kind of rough. Like the quad box I had was like Ole Miss, Kentucky on 1, Mizzou, Kansas on the other. Then it was the Oregon game and the Colorado game on the other two. And I was like, well, this is not really a quad box anymore, is it?

[Tom Fornelli]

I, I do want to say, you know, for the families out there, it's not Apple picking weekend yet, I don't think in most of these states. But this is definitely dad scores brownie points, taking the kids to get Halloween costumes. Noon slate if you can knock this out. Oregon, Northwestern, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Central Michigan, Michigan, Oklahoma at Temple, Wisconsin, Bama, Villanova, Penn State. Those are your noon ranked games as of the current rankings.

[Chip Patterson]

I'm sorry, like to channel my inner Will Forte. Hold my calls. No Clemson, Georgia Tech is annual. Button chip up and get him ready to go. I love that game every year.

[Tom Fornelli]

Oh yeah, the Tech's gonna play here on fire. Haynes King's gonna have like 35 rushes.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that's why he didn't play. They're saving his body.

[Tom Fornelli]

He didn't play today.

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Bud Elliott]

Next week's Friday lineup is kind of sweet.

[Tom Fornelli]

It is. It's actually really good. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, Syracuse, Colgate, Indiana, Indiana State, who cares? But you get Houston, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas State, ucla, New Mexico, Mexico.

[Tom Fornelli]

Game will be interesting.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes, like the Jason Eck versus the. The Bruins. Because that team gave Michigan problems. Imagine what they could do to the Bruins.

[Chip Patterson]

We save it. We. Yeah, we told ourselves it was like, hey, that was just week one. No way we go this late again. Unbelievable.

[Tom Fornelli]

We just. We're getting eyes on so many games. Like, we even follow this don't talk about games we didn't watch rule.

[Bud Elliott]

It's true. We did.

[Chip Patterson]

We're just.

[Bud Elliott]

There's so much knowledge in our three brains that it's impossible for us to get it out in less than 100 minutes.

[Chip Patterson]

That's true.

[Bud Elliott]

And frankly, it wouldn't be fair for us to do it because the world needs it. Can you imagine if, like, the people didn't get Bud's time slot?

[Chip Patterson]

Champs, like, guys, I know. That is the problem. The problem is I could probably edit this thing down. I could probably edit 100 to a really good 75.

[Tom Fornelli]

But, like, what. What other podcast is comparing Florida's offense to the Barge Hoe?

[Bud Elliott]

None that I know of. Yeah. No. That's why we're Pete Thamel's favorite podcast.

[Chip Patterson]

100. Shout out to Pete and you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fernell. You can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chip Underscore Patterson. Shout out to Pete. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

[Tom Fornelli]

Thank you.

[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

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