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Summary

Cover 3 College Football Podcast – Week 4 INSTANT REACTION

Episode Date: September 21, 2025
Hosts: Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Bud Elliott
Topic: Fast, in-depth reactions to Week 4: Oklahoma over Auburn, Texas Tech’s big win, Illinois-Indiana analysis, Clemson’s struggles, Miami-Florida, Michigan-Nebraska, and more.

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Overview

This episode delivers instant, deeply informed reactions to a loaded Week 4 in college football. Chip, Tom, and Bud break down marquee results, explore ongoing narratives (Clemson’s collapse, Indiana’s ascent), and pull no punches when assessing players, coaches, and “mid-tier” programs. The tone is loose but cuttingly honest, blending fan perspective with analyst expertise.

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Table of Contents

• Indiana Demolishes Illinois: What Went Wrong?
• Miami Dismantles Florida & Questions About Lagway
• The Clemson Collapse: What’s Next for Dabo?
• Texas Tech Rolls at Utah
• Oklahoma Outlasts Auburn
• Michigan’s Ground Game Mauls Nebraska
• Quick Hits: Syracuse, TCU, Missouri, and More
• Tomorrow’s Top 25: Poll Projections and Debates

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Indiana Demolishes Illinois: Illini’s Depth Exposed

Main points:

• Indiana routed Illinois, taking advantage of Illini injuries in the secondary and dominating the line of scrimmage.
• Illinois’ secondary was eviscerated by Indiana QB Fernando Mendoza (21/23, 267 yards, 5 TDs).
• Indiana’s Kobe Martin ran for 107 yards (mostly in the 2nd half).

Key Quotes:

• Bud Elliott (06:00): “That was an ass beating. Indiana was the far better team... If Illinois is fully healthy in the secondary, they win by 21 to 24. By the end of the game, Illinois was down five defensive backs. That’s why they lost by 50 points.”
• Tom Fornelli (09:31): “I bet Mendoza has had quite a few 7-on-7s where he hasn’t gone 21 for 23. That’s a ridiculous stat line, especially when you’re not throwing everything short.”

Key Segment:
Indiana’s performance earns them recognition as the potential No. 4 team in the Big Ten, setting the stage for a competitive stretch ahead.

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Miami Dismantles Florida & Questions About DJ Lagway

Main points:

• Miami looked physically dominant at the line of scrimmage, while Florida’s offense was listless, mustering only 141 yards.
• Lagway’s struggles spark questions about his health and readiness.
• Mario Cristobal criticized for conservatism, but Hurricanes never truly threatened.

Key Quotes:

• Tom Fornelli (12:01): “Florida’s offense still looks like hot garbage... If I was Lagway, I would redshirt. He looks totally out of sorts.”
• Bud Elliott (13:40): “Maybe DJ Lagway is part of the problem. At some point, if you’re a quarterback and you are going to be the guy, you have to lift up the team around you. And he’s not doing that.”
• Chip Patterson (16:22): “There’s a difference between playing hard and playing sloppy. I don’t think Florida has not been playing hard. I do think they have been playing sloppy.”

Timestamps:

• Florida-Miami segment begins [12:01]
• Florida team attitude discussion [16:22]

Notable Insight: Miami, even with imperfections, is playing like the best “line of scrimmage team in the country.”

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The Clemson Collapse: Dabo’s Historic Low Point

Main points:

• Clemson is 1–3 for the first time under Dabo Swinney (since 2004).
• The offense is directionless under new OC Garrett Riley; defense with NFL prospects repeatedly getting embarrassed.
• Team appears to be “checked out” and unresponsive to Dabo’s message.
• Discussion about Clemson's future: transfer portal reluctance, roster construction, and whether Dabo will adapt.

Key Quotes:

• Tom Fornelli (25:58): “It looks like they just don’t really care about Dabo’s message. This team visually looks like they don’t give a damn... They look to me like they’re out.”
• Chip Patterson (27:10): “You just pressed all the buttons…we’re gonna go get Garrett Riley... the defense got worked from the first drive in this game.”
• Bud Elliott (28:44): “The mystique’s gone. They are 8–7 now against Power Four teams since the start of last season. They are an average ass football team.”

Timestamps:

• Clemson segment begins [25:02]
• Dabo’s “6–6” comment analyzed [30:02]

Memorable Moment:

• Dabo’s remark: “Maybe we’ll lay an egg. Maybe we go 6–6.” (30:02) — signals a head coach seeing the writing on the wall.

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Texas Tech Rolls at Utah: Defensive Masterclass & ‘Willie the Whip’

Main points:

• Texas Tech imposed its physicality on the road, limiting Utah’s schematic trickery and holding down their rushing attack.
• True freshman QB Will Hammond (“Willie the Whip”) impressed, possibly surpassing expectations set by injured starter Baron Morton.
• Tech’s defense throttled Utah’s run game; Utah’s QB Dampier struggled.

Key Quotes:

• Tom Fornelli (39:03): “I thought their D-line was…very physical. They hustled to the ball…they played, like, good, inspired football.”
• Bud Elliott (41:16): “Texas Tech had seven false starts in this game. Why are you going to Utah on the road and not having a silent cadence?”

Notable Moment:

• Gus Johnson dubbing Will Hammond “Willie the Whip” (47:46) – comedic highlight.

Timestamps:

• Texas Tech-Utah analysis begins [37:11]
• Will Hammond/‘Willie the Whip’ discussion [47:46]

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Oklahoma Outlasts Auburn: Defense the Story

Main points:

• Oklahoma’s defense was relentless, racking up 10 sacks and stifling Auburn’s offense, especially at key moments.
• Jackson Arnold and the OU offense did enough, aided by timely penalties and 4th-down heroics.
• Auburn’s defense answered the call but Oklahoma eventually pulled away, closing with a defensive score for the cover.

Key Quotes:

• Chip Patterson (55:29): “It ends up being Matier with his legs stretching across the goal line for the go-ahead touchdown…But the winner—against the spread winner—came from Mason Thomas and the defense to deliver the sack for an all-time cover burger.”
• Tom Fornelli (55:59): “The defense is the awesome pitching…Matier can’t play from the pocket, he is just off-script magic. Arbuckle is an absolute wizard of a play caller…But the defense is going to keep them in games.”

Timestamps:

• OU-Auburn segment begins [55:29]
• Defensive discussion [58:39]

Memorable Stat: Oklahoma set a program record for sacks in a game.

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Michigan’s Ground Game Mauls Nebraska

Main points:

• Michigan emphasizes running the ball (“just mash these guys”), exploiting Nebraska’s lack of trench toughness.
• Nebraska’s skill players show promise, but the offensive and defensive lines remain a major liability.
• Dylan Raiola’s QB play criticized as “too casual,” reminiscent of Mahomes/Stafford stylings but lacking discipline.

Key Quotes:

• Tom Fornelli (63:25): “They’re soft as hell, dude…Michigan knew that and coached that way.”
• Bud Elliott (67:09): “Patrick Mahomes has ruined quarterbacking because now all these kids want to do all this stuff like Patrick Mahomes. And Dylan takes it to a very different level…Instead, you’re trying to learn how to play Patrick Mahomes, and he [Mahomes] does that when he has to. He doesn’t do it every damn play.”
• Chip Patterson (74:15): “Say what you want about Michigan’s offense…Bryce Underwood knows more about reading what a defense is doing before the snap than Dylan Raiola does.”

Timestamps:

• Michigan-Nebraska discussion begins [61:42]
• Raiola’s play and QB development [66:13]

Memorable Moment:

• The team’s running backs (Saints, Underwood, Marshall) become first Michigan trio with 50+ rushing yards and a TD in Big Ten play since 2010.
• Nebraska’s streak: 28 straight losses to ranked opponents (71:38)

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Quick Hits and Other Noteworthy Segments

• Clemson’s AP Top 25 future [32:35]: Will the Tigers bench anybody? Not likely, but the off week is desperately needed.
• Syracuse upsets Clemson (33:05): Fran Brown’s team marches right down for the win, but QB Steve Angeli’s injury puts a damper on celebration.
• TCU and Big 12 landscape (43:35): “Just don’t mention Utah has now lost five straight home games in Big 12,” Bud.
• Missouri, South Carolina, and Running Backs Talk (83:08): Mizzou gets praise for a strong run game and D; Hardy is lauded as a top-tier freshman back.
• “Tomorrow’s Top 25 Today” Rankings Projection [92:10]:
  • Consensus: Oklahoma will leap into the 7-9 range; Indiana and Texas Tech surge, Illinois plummets.
  • Debates around LSU, Miami, and others.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bud Elliott (28:44): “The mystique’s gone. They are 8-7 now against power four teams since the start of last season. They are an average ass football team.”
• Tom Fornelli (25:58): “It looks like they just don’t really care about Dabo’s message, man. Like, this team visually looks like they don’t give a damn.”
• Bud Elliott (74:01): “We’ll be able to do [midseason trades] by 2040, don’t you worry.”
• Chip Patterson (47:46): “Joey McGuire said Morton will be ‘good to go’—good to grab the clipboard!”
• Bud Elliott (71:38): “28…number of consecutive games against ranked opponents that Nebraska has lost.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [04:25] – Indiana routs Illinois: depth and injuries
• [12:01] – Miami-Florida, Lagway debate
• [25:02] – Clemson: “Is this who you are?” Dabo and staff changes, off week
• [37:11] – Texas Tech wins at Utah, “Willie the Whip” emerges
• [47:46] – Will Hammond’s impact and nickname
• [55:29] – Oklahoma-Auburn: defensive dominance
• [61:42] – Michigan-Nebraska: lines, RBs, and QB critiques
• [92:10] – Tomorrow’s Top 25 Poll projections

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Closing Thoughts

The hosts combine humor and insight, never shying away from hot takes or hard truths (“Illinois lost by a billion,” Bud wraps up). They balance praise for up-and-comers (Indiana, Texas Tech) with realistic appraisals of struggling blue bloods (Clemson, Florida). Weekly podcast segments (“Tomorrow’s Top 25 Today,” “Notebook”) give structure, while inside jokes and recurring references (the “Calgorithm,” “Willie the Whip”) make for a uniquely engaging listen—even for fans who missed Saturday’s games.

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You want passionate, informed, and genuinely fun college football discussion with in-the-moment analysis and candid opinions straight from the heart of the sport.

Transcript

[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Tom Fenelli]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

What does that even mean?

[Chip Patterson]

It's condolences for Felli. I like what he's doing. It's 11:27pm Eastern Time. We got fired up a little bit early for y'. All. The evening slate kind of tidied things up. Right now we got USC up 3. Nothing on Michigan State, as I see in some other action as well. But we're not here to give you live play by play. No, we've got a lot to get to. As we recap what we saw from week four, we will get into what happened in Bloomington. The escape room looked like it was going to be an actual freaking escape room. I mean, like, we got real close to wondering if they were going to be able to find clue number four, because. Oh, yeah, anyway, yeah, Syracuse, Fran Brown, our friend Robbie Cowan said he's shutting off dabo's water so dabo can't shower, you know, so making sure that. Making sure that winners get washed there. Texas Tech makes a statement in Salt Lake City. Michigan mashes Nebraska in Lincoln. Oklahoma's defense sign shines and sacks Auburn. So, so, so much more to get into. But, Tom, I, I almost want to rip the band aid off early.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, unc's loss. Yeah, let's talk about it.

[Chip Patterson]

I. Listen, I never wish injury upon a quarterback, but giving Max Johnson an opportunity to play, I think is a good. No, no, no. Aside, as I said. Yeah, man, like I did Here, here, let me, let me. I'll. I'll go ahead and just throw, throw my head in this. It is difficult and disappointing when there is so obviously a. A spot in a game that could be competitive. That makes it not competitive. And it starts with, as you mentioned, losing Xavier Scott. And then you lose another db and then you lose another db, and then all of a sudden you're like, okay, so who's out there on the field? And they're going up against a quarterback in Fernando Mendoza who, you know, like, will be. We, trust me, we are going to be judging Fernando Mendoza against the best quarterbacks in college football here, at least for the next couple of weeks until he faces, like, the next really tough Opponent after throwing up five touchdowns in this game. Like we, we are going to be talking about him in that conversation with the best quarterbacks in the country, the John Matiers and, and whatnot. So to see that quarterback and that setback for Illinois, I mean as a fan, did you just sort of see what was happening as it unfolded?

[Bud Elliott]

First, I will start by saying that that was an ass beating. Indiana was the far better team in that game. Their defensive line ate Illinois's offensive line alive. Illinois never had a chance to win this game because of that. If Illinois is fully healthy in the secondary, they win by 21 to 24. No, Illinois was. By the end of the game, Illinois was down five defensive backs. That's why they lost by 50 points. But Indiana probably only wins that game by 24 if Illinois is fully healthy because the offense wasn't able to do anything. And in the first half, like the run defense for Illinois was fine. In the second half, things completely fell off because the defense was on the field the entire time because the offense couldn't do a damn thing. So like Indiana steamrolled it in the second half. I think like Kobe Martin finished with 107 yards rushing. I don't remember if he had a carry in the first half.

[Chip Patterson]

I think he got all of those.

[Bud Elliott]

In the second half. Fernando Mendoza was 21, 23 for 267 yards and five touchdowns. Like Illinois was bad from the start. There was the blocked punt on that led to Indiana's first touchdown. And then they had like Indiana had the ball at like they're 45, I think it was. And it was a fourth and one. Signetti was going to punt, but Illinois screwed up sending its punt team out there. They had the wrong personnel so they had to burn a timeout. And then while Signetti's sitting there during the timeout thinking about, he's like, well screw it, I'm just gonna go for it. And then they get the first down and two plays later it's a touchdown. And it's. I think that they will put them up 14 and things just absolutely steamrolled. I talked about it on the show earlier this week, said Illinois got off to slow starts against Duke in Western Michigan. If they get off to a slow start against Indiana, Indiana will them. They will bury them. They do not take their foot off the gas. They are too good of a team. That's what happened. Illinois got off to the slow start and this was too good of a team to try to dig your way out of. And Indiana, like I Remember when Elijah Surratt sat with us in Las Vegas for the COVID 3 shows at the media days and I asked him, I said everybody wants to know who this year's Indiana is. Why the hell isn't Indiana this year's Indiana? Indiana is this year's Indiana. They're them and USC are the fourth best fighting for the fourth best team in the Big Ten. It's going to be one of those two.

[Chip Patterson]

And USC just gave up a touchdown to Michigan State.

[Bud Elliott]

So we might on Indiana. Indiana is the fourth best team in the Big Ten.

[Chip Patterson]

Bud. What'd you make of the ongoing of what we saw but which by the way first ranked on ranked top 20 matchup in Bloomington since 1987. Like this is the. What I didn't know that they called it the Rock. You know why? Because guess what? We haven't had a game of this significance there.

[Tom Fenelli]

They call it the Rock.

[Bud Elliott]

That's there's a rock I think in an end zone. I don't know. Nobody's ever paid attention to a game in Bloomington.

[Chip Patterson]

Again. I, this is something that I'm, I'm admitting my ignorance and I'm coming in, you know, open minded about the situation. We are big Kurt Signetti fans. You know, he's, you know, maybe not.

[Tom Fenelli]

Tom.

[Bud Elliott]

Not upset with Kurt Signetti and any for anything. Yeah, I mean he took Audi starters in the fourth quarter, man, I know they went.

[Chip Patterson]

He didn't even try to smoke it.

[Bud Elliott]

Through the filter and he still outscored him what, 14 to nothing in the fourth.

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean you, you go 21 of 23 through the air. Guys. I bet you Mendoza has had Quite a few seven on sevens where he hasn't gone 21 through 23. Like that's a, a ridiculous stat line especially when you're not throwing everything short.

[Chip Patterson]

It.

[Tom Fenelli]

I don't know but like I, I kind of think that maybe Illinois knew that they were outgunned and got out of sorts a little bit. Some guys trying to do too much to make up for the, the lack of your starters. And I say that because Illinois had been so far this year a pretty decent tackling team. And tonight I thought some like the yards after the catch stuff was, was pretty egregious by them and I, I wonder if they just kind of felt, you know, a bit overwhelmed tonight. Indiana looks really damn good. It. We're going to kind of have the same questions of like what happened. What happens when they face a team with like a whole bunch of NFL talent and lines of scrimmage which Honestly, I think when healthy Illinois has that, maybe not tonight, but they look like they look better than they did last year because I think Mendoza is, like, definitely better than Rourke. It just may have taken a little bit for them to get to this point. I feel like last year they came out the gates and they were just, you know, murder ball from week one. Now it's maybe like murder ball from week two.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, I mean, if they weren't great, week one, they won, but it wasn't clean. And they've gotten better and better each week. So this was the big test. Indiana is really, really good. And the problem is you're gonna, you know, we will get, we'll get the Penn State game and Ohio State this year. Right? So we'll, we'll get, we'll get to see. But I, I, I think that this is a, I think this is a coaching staff and a program that probably learned some lessons that will give them a better chance in those games. So very much looking forward to that again. 63 to 10 got sideways real fast. We don't, we do not need to linger if you want to.

[Bud Elliott]

They got lucky.

[Chip Patterson]

If you want to think about, you know, where Indiana will fall in the new AP Top 25, stick around. We'll be doing tomorrow's Top 25 before we get out of here tonight. Elsewhere, we'll go ahead and hang here. Had some laughs about it. So for Miami against Florida, Bud, how do you start to feel this onion?

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean, Florida's offense still looks like hot garbage. They had 141 yards on the night. I, I said on Twitter, like, if I was lagway, I would. Red shirt. He looks totally out of sorts. He doesn't look healthy. He looks like he's moving really slow, like he's trying to protect his body. I would, I would take the year and reset. And I know Florida fans will be pissed me for that. But, guys, your season's cooked now anyway. So I, I don't think that's not being a team player. Like, if you're, if you're, he doesn't look right. And that's a guy who has a real potential. And for those folks out there who would say, you know, hey, he still has two more years after this, you know what? Sometimes you need all those years Tyler Schuck did. You know, eventually you get it right if your guy stays injured and he does kind of, you know, get dinged up an awful lot.

[Chip Patterson]

Man.

[Tom Fenelli]

I watched this in the first half, and my lingering thought was Florida's offense still Looks like crap. Florida's defense is still playing very hard for that defensive staff. And man, oh man, if Miami blows this, this is a hundred percent on Mario for these first half decisions too. I mean, we are punting. Have you seen, like, they punted from Florida's 46, 47 and Florida's 39. Didn't they have an analytics guy last year? Or was he just a clock guy? Like, maybe he's just to do with a watch, right? Like, let's, let's get like a watch and a book now. Miami's offensive line and defensive line are like, dominant. Yeah, I said on last show like that Miami is the best line of scrimmage team in the country right now.

[Chip Patterson]

Right.

[Tom Fenelli]

And maybe, and maybe by a lot.

[Chip Patterson]

That to me informs the decisions.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I, I strongly disagree with the Lagway take. He can. Red shirt. Sure. Okay. Like, he wasn't 12 of 23 for 61 yards. Like, and he was bad last week too. Like, maybe DJ Lagway is part of the problem. Maybe it's not just everything around him, I guess. I'm not saying they should bench him, but I'm saying he could probably play a lot better than he's played. And at some point, if you're a quarterback and you are going to be the guy, you have to lift up the team around you. And he's not doing that. So I think he's talented. I think he's got tools. I don't see it on the field yet. I don't see him putting it together. I think Miami was the far better team. I think the score was very misleading. I think the Canes dominated this game from start to finish. And like you said, the only reason the game was even close was because Mario was just being ultra conservative in the first half. And you talked about it to start the show. There was a time when it was still 10. It was 13:7 at the start of the fourth quarter. And Napier looked like he was going to kick the field goal. And I was gonna, I was gonna tweet the graphic and I was gonna say, billy Napier's kicking a field goal to make a one score game, a one score game. And Mario's punting from, you know, plus field position multiple times. I was gonna tweet the escape room graphic, but then he changed his mind and went for it and got stopped. So, you know, whatever. But just. I don't know, man. I. I look at Florida's offense as an entire operation and I don't see anybody playing well. I don't See the offensive line playing well. I don't think the receivers are playing well. I think ball is playing fine when he gets a chance. But I don't see DJs playing well either. So if he sits out, it's not going to do him any favors.

[Chip Patterson]

Here's what I feel a little bit complicated about. And I know that it's 13 minutes is a little bit early for us to, you know, dip into things that we're not always supposed to do. But I don't love, I don't love making commentary on commentary, but it was. I don't know if you all had ears on this one. I know we all have a lot of screens. You got to figure out where your volume is going to be. But part of the commentary about this Florida team was like, I'm just looking for them to compete. I'm just looking for them to show some fire. And that to me just drives the narrative that like I. Do you think that this team is starting to check out on the season because that commentary connects those dots. Am I wrong about that? That, like when you were offering that on that big stage game and you're just like, I'm just looking for someone to show some fire, show some compete out there like that. I, I couldn't. It felt unfair. But maybe, maybe I'm being too, maybe I'm being too forgiving with that.

[Tom Fenelli]

So I, I think there's a difference between like playing hard and playing sloppy. Right. I, I don't think that Florida has not been playing hard. I do think they have been playing sloppy. When I watch Clemson, I'm like, clemson doesn't give a. Clemson's just going through the motions like, like that. I think visually it does look different. Like Florida still tries to play physical. They look like a team that didn't get any off season work in the past game. Yeah, you got a bunch of young receivers who haven't got to work with this guy. They don't run the routes to the right depth. They clearly like, like they're not on the same page as the quarterback in the passing game, which probably isn't very well designed anyway. You know, like the, the run game stuff is kind of fine, but yeah, I mean, I think they will check out for sure. Maybe they have a dead cat bounce at some point, but they're one in three. You know, like they already did their save the coach, save the season thing last year.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think this is a quit thing at all. I mean, they looked bad against South Florida and lsu, too. It's just. I don't think it's effort. I think it's just ability.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

And that defense, again, like the dam broke at the end, but just like last week against lsu, that defense is still doing exciting damn thing that it can to keep them in these games and just praying that its offense can come through and do something to, you know, help them win.

[Chip Patterson]

I still think Miami's really good.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tom Fenelli]

I'm a little bit concerned about the lack of zip from Carson Beckham.

[Chip Patterson]

I saw some velocity chatter. I saw. Yeah. Chatter. Yeah. I can't play that game. I'm not enough. Enough. I'm not enough of a throw power expert to feel like I can weigh in on that conversation, but I did.

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean, like, that ball to Cormac that Cormani picks. Sure. We can say Cormani did a nice job baiting him, and he did. I think a good throw. Still might get that, or at least isn't. Isn't, you know, like, easily picked it. That thing hung forever. And then you watch a couple of the other ones, and then they. They go to a very, like. Instead of conservative, like, decision making, like, with respect to downs, they went conservative decision making with respect to throws. It was like, we're gonna throw a bunch of screens. I was like, maybe they know something that.

[Bud Elliott]

That.

[Tom Fenelli]

That they're not saying.

[Bud Elliott]

Maybe the rain played a pack part in it.

[Tom Fenelli]

That's possible.

[Chip Patterson]

Sunrises, sunsets. It's rainy and humid at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami in September.

[Bud Elliott]

Maybe it's like the dog days of summer. You'll see a picture. Sometimes he's throwing 97 and then wouldn't start. He's only hitting 94. Just arms a little tired, head surgery on it.

[Chip Patterson]

Maybe some meatballs. I miss. I've missed getting all my dinger. I didn't. I didn't bet enough dingers during meatball season. Right. You know, that late August, early September, guys just out there playing out the string and batters who are trying to hit their benchmarks for contract bonuses.

[Bud Elliott]

You. You can still do that. Now you go to the games featuring the teams that are out of it, who are just kind of throwing guys out there to get through to the end of the season. There's. There's some home run value in those games.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's your baseball minute here on the instant reaction. I'm glad I saw. We've still got, what, a week, right? A week left of the regular season, maybe one or two series.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we get.

[Chip Patterson]

There's, there's your tip. All right, let's, let's go ahead and hit an early break so that we can, we can reset for the, the, the Capital C conversation about Capital C. Clemson. Okay. Coming up on the other side, Fran Brown getting washed. The orange coming up with the win. And Clemson falls to 1 and 3 for the first time in more than 20 years. Years. What that mean? We'll let you know and more Next FanDuel's getting you ready for the NFL season with an offer you don't want to miss. New customers can bet just $5 and get $300 in bonus bets if you win. That's right, pick a bet, bet five bucks, and if it wins, you'll unlock 300 bucks in bonus bets to use all across the app. You can build parlays, bet player props, ride the livelines. Whatever your style, fanduel has you covered. The NFL season is almost here. The only question is, are you ready to play? Visit FanDuel.com cover to download the FanDuel app today and get started.

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[Tom Fenelli]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

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[Bud Elliott]

So bad. Hey, whatever you got to do to up that TV package.

[Chip Patterson]

How about. How about Clemson's gonna get more money because they lost the Georgia Tech in a game that everybody watched? ACC Playhouse are so silly. Okay, what. What do we do with this? Because while we are sitting here, like, firing off jokes, like, Dabo's actually crying. I mean, Ikea's, he is beat up. 23 years with this program. He has literally raised his family, brought them all through, put them on the team. Now they're the holders and the coach. And, like, this is as bad as it has been since he took over. But how do you diagnose this? How do you. How do you wrestle with this? And. And what. What do we do moving forward?

[Tom Fenelli]

It looks like they just don't really care about Dabo's message, man. Like, this team visually looks like they don't give a damn. You know, I. I don't think they play real hard for Kate Klubnick. I don't think they play real hard for Dabo. They used to, but Clemson used to be a team that would play hard. Like, they. They played hair on fire. Part of that's bigger, stronger, faster than everybody. But I just think now, like, they're. They look to me like they're out. It doesn't mean you got to be out forever, but I'd be surprised if they're not out for this season. And I. I tweeted this earlier today. I was like, look, I guess now we learned that a team constructed or via the portal or via high school, obviously, like my Knowles last year, kind of any team can quit at any time, I guess. But I think the difference there is, like, this was supposed to be the team for Clemson. Like, you're losing. Like, the justification for the belief in Clemson this year was the talent level. All the NFL draft guys, and certainly we had seen this too, like, they had some great individual players on this team and a large collection of NFL talented individuals. And, you know, we think they would coalesce and just play better than they are.

[Chip Patterson]

You get Tom Allen. I mean, that's the thing is, like, we pressed all.

[Tom Fenelli]

You're losing these guys, Chip.

[Chip Patterson]

You're just like, okay, we're gonna fix the offense. We're gonna. We're gonna go get Garrett Riley. That's gonna fix everything. Like, no, the offense still has slow developing stuff where the run game doesn't really work and the quarterback looks like he's always a step behind the defense. All right, we're gonna fix this defense that has supposedly all these NFL draft picks. We're gonna go get Tom Allen. Look at this big poach that we just did from a program that was in the College Football Playoff semifinals. And, and look, defense got worked from the first drive in this game.

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean you're losing a lot of, a lot of guys off this team, assuming they decide to go. Probably some are seniors and we'll, we'll have to go pro. Maybe some are playing so poorly you actually get it back next year. I, yeah, like those guys cost themselves.

[Chip Patterson]

A lot of money. I, I liked having Lewis Riddick on this call because obviously he was a general manager, right.

[Bud Elliott]

Gm but he was in a front office.

[Chip Patterson]

He was a front office guy. He could not have been, could not have been more beside himself with what he was seeing from the performance of this Clemson defense. Calling these guys out left and right. You know, like as, as the game's starting to get away from him before the lightning delay hit when I'm sure he came back really perturbed, you know, but like he was just like DJ Parker, you gotta go make a play. Peter woods, you got to go make a play. You know, like these players who have been evaluated who have been deemed to meet standards and they're just, it was, it was remarkable.

[Tom Fenelli]

They play like they expect the opponent just roll over.

[Bud Elliott]

The mystique's gone.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean they're. I sweet. They're eight and seven now against power four teams since the start of last season. They are an average ass football team and just, I mean the defense tied like they didn't really look like they were trying all that hard. Like they looked disinterested in playing. You had Kate Clubnik dropping back to pass 60 times. I don't think you ever want cade Clubnick throwing 60 times in a month, let alone a damn game. So just, I don't know man, they're, they're not good. They're a mid tier ACC team this year. That doesn't mean they're dead. It doesn't mean they can't be good again next year. But this team, it's not good.

[Chip Patterson]

Did you in the 54 minutes which by the way shout out to Danny Canal who sprinkled Syracuse I the biggest.

[Bud Elliott]

Clemson fan on the show that against him.

[Chip Patterson]

So I, I did say that now he has to go to Dabo's press conference now like the Bo Nicks beard bet. I assume he is going to not do it.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah but I mean he should probably just go to Dabo's press conference to give Dabo's shoulder to cry on for.

[Chip Patterson]

The long so in Dabo's 54 minute press conference, at one point he said like, he, oh, man, I wish. I'm sorry, Mikey, I should have sent this to you. This would be better. But whatever, I'll paraphrase it. He said, and maybe we'll lay an egg. Maybe we go 6 and 6. And there was something that was a little too specific about him saying 6 and 6. Like he is looking at this team and he's looking at this schedule and he's like, yeah, we're still a bowl team.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, they'll beat North Carolina if.

[Tom Fenelli]

They play like this. BC is losable. I think BC is just as good, if not better than Syracuse. Syracuse needed overtime to beat Yukon and got absolutely Tennessee.

[Chip Patterson]

I am not, at this point in the season, I am not ready to just play the, like judge you by your opponents. I understand that is fair and that is like how a, how a model should work. But I, I think, I think that Boston College does not have the high end gear that Syracuse has when Syracuse shows up to Death Valley.

[Bud Elliott]

Well, if Steve Angeli's out for any period of time, I would say Boston College is better than Syracuse for the now.

[Chip Patterson]

But like, even Ricky Collins carved him up, you know.

[Tom Fenelli]

All right, do we think Boston College is a losable game if Clemson is playing like you're playing right now?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Okay. SMU's losable. Duke's losable. FSU. Is Louisville losable? Clearly, like at Louisville, you'll be a dog at this point unless you're really turning around at South Carolina. If Sellers is healthy, you're a dog.

[Bud Elliott]

I'm gonna take him against Furman, though.

[Tom Fenelli]

Are they going bowling?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, they'll squeeze three wins or how many? They need five wins.

[Tom Fenelli]

Let's see any five more so they.

[Bud Elliott]

Can beat North Carolina.

[Chip Patterson]

I think they, I think they come back with, I think getting. Oh, by the way, Chris Buttons report on the broadcast that the defensive line was hearing it from the fans in the front row.

[Bud Elliott]

What were they hearing?

[Chip Patterson]

Like the fans were like laying into the defense to play better. I'm telling you, this is coming like so much of the Clemson lore is about the haters on the outside. And we circle our, you know, circle the wagons. We keep everything on the inside in the family. Like this is. It's coming out the house.

[Bud Elliott]

You know what I would do if I were Dabo? Now the next two games are on the road, but next home game, I'm making them boys walk around the stadium. No more buses for you.

[Chip Patterson]

Buses. I think, I think the off Week is going to do them a world of wonder. The worst thing they could do right now is go play Boston College right now.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah. So they. Do we see benchings?

[Chip Patterson]

I don't. I don't think Vizina. I think we would have seen him before now. Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

I don't think Vizin is the guy. Just based on. On watching them in spring and limited action.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. So what about the Syracuse part of this hell of a win.

[Bud Elliott]

The Angelique.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

A damper on it.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. That stinks. The. Do we have an update on that? I mean, we're just assuming that it's like, I mean Achilles or it didn't.

[Tom Fenelli]

Look like something you're just going to bounce back from.

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Tom Fenelli]

Non contact, go down in the heap.

[Chip Patterson]

But the offense has been cooking. Do you think that Ricky Collins can keep. Stay productive? I mean, because we've got the redemption project of John Tay Cook out there. I mean the, the pieces that they have put together to replace losing damn near every single pass catcher off last year's offense and quarterback. And still you come out here and you. You're pretty productive. Not to mention Fran Brown. We're going to march down the field, then we're going to do the onside kick, then we're going to get it, then we're going to go down and score. I mean that was. It was just all awesome. It was like we are not effing around type behavior from that Syracuse team.

[Tom Fenelli]

Also really concerned about the defensive line stuff for Syracuse. Like that. That's one thing that had me so down on Clemson today. Syracuse D linemen were dropping left and right and Cliffs still couldn't do anything about it.

[Bud Elliott]

They did run the ball as well as they've probably run it all year.

[Tom Fenelli]

That's true. Just perhaps in a bit of like a shall we say, permissive game state from Syracuse.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, yeah, they got game scripted out of it, but it was just. Yeah, I'm just looking for silver linings here, Bud.

[Tom Fenelli]

Can Syracuse pick a bowl?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes. This is a. This was. Yes. What game is not going to expectation and this one flips it. They were what, at five and a half?

[Tom Fenelli]

I think they were like four and a half juice over, weren't they?

[Bud Elliott]

They could beat Duke at home next week. So that would get him to four. So then they would need to win two out of ad. SMU Pit at Georgia Tech, UNC at Miami at Notre Dame. BC better get them soon.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, we don't really know what BC will be at the end of the year.

[Chip Patterson]

I'LL tell you what. BC will be at the end of the year. 6 and 6.

[Tom Fenelli]

They're not going to fire Davo, right?

[Chip Patterson]

No.

[Bud Elliott]

No.

[Chip Patterson]

Have you looked at the buyout, by the way? Google, like, 60, right? Dab. No more dabo Sweeney buyout. Robbie Callan, CBS Sports. Remember, any coach, you want to know their buyout, you just put in the coach's name, then you say buyout. Robbie Callan, CBS Sports. That'll get you all the information that you need to know from our buyout expert, Robbie Callan. We thank Robert for all of his. All of his good work on this front. Yeah, he had the term sheet pulled up midway through the first quarter.

[Tom Fenelli]

Jeez, dude.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. It is so much money and no chance.

[Tom Fenelli]

I am really interested to see how they go about this rebuild next year, though. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Because like you said, it could be. And you know what? Flushing it might be what they need.

[Tom Fenelli]

They don't exactly use the portal like other teams do that, like. Right. Maybe that's because they thought their roster was so good that, like, not a lot of players out there could help them, which perhaps they were correct.

[Bud Elliott]

We don't know.

[Tom Fenelli]

But, like, is. Can. Can Dabo just pull the ripcord on this thing and. And bring in 40 new guys?

[Bud Elliott]

I don't think he can. I don't think he will.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't think.

[Tom Fenelli]

Right. I agree. I think he's gonna try to run it back. Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

I just. I. I just think they've taken up. I think they've taken a step back, so we're just. Tom was right. Hey. Hey, Tom. On a tough night. Let's. Let's just say, Tom, you were right.

[Bud Elliott]

It's right about the line I game, too. I told you. Illinois Moneyline or Indiana spread?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, moneyline 100. All right, well, while we're. While we're out here, actually, I don't want to get vindictive. Let's. Let's do some praise first, because the town got a sprouts, and now they've got a football team that can go out and win a big game. Texas Tech goes on the road. Impressive. Very impressive. I mean, but what stood out the mo. Like, what. What's sort of your headline that you've got taken away from. From the 3410 win in Salt Lake City against the Utes.

[Tom Fenelli]

I. I thought they hit really well. I think probably the most important thing they did in this game, though, was they. They did not get tricked by any of the Utah stuff. Right. Like, I mean, that's kind of How Utah hits our explosive plays through the air is to scheme coverage busts, basically with all the. The motion and the shifts and all the. The different stuff with the run fakes that they do. And honestly, like, Utah only had the wide open guys maybe twice.

[Chip Patterson]

One of them was called the first quarter. That touchdown was called back. For what, holding?

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, no, the illegal man downfield for some reason.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh. And it was fun. Freaking offensive lineman. And he was. Oh, I'll tell you what, that was so nitpicky that I. I didn't go back, but I'd be very curious and any. Anybody on the Texas Tech media feel free to reach out to us on that. That seems like one of those. That Joey got in the ref's ear. It's like, hey, hey, you know, like, watch, watch, watch this right here. You know, you've.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

A ref has to be tipped off to call, like, to me, the way that I saw it, to call that on because, yes, it was technically a legal man downfield, but, man, there's a lot of linemen that are at that position that don't get flagged for that. You gotta. You gotta have it on your radar.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I. I would agree with that. I also thought they did a great job of making Dampier play quarterback from. At least from the pocket or from behind the chains. Right. And he's just not like, damn, Pierre is going to go pro in something other than sports. Right. Or maybe at a different position. He's not an NFL thrower.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, no. He might be an Argonaut. Yeah. Okay. I could see him as a Winnipeg Blue bomber.

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean, 38 for 162 is.

[Chip Patterson]

Is Tom. I'm not. I'm very serious about that. Okay. Darian Durant's one of my favorite North Carolina quarterbacks of all time, and that guy is a CFL legend. That guy's got gray cups on. Gray cups on gray cups.

[Bud Elliott]

I just enjoy you saying CFL team names.

[Tom Fenelli]

I thought their D line was, like, like, very physical. They hustled with the ball. I thought, like, the back seven hit a lot and did not allow, like, crazy tackles for loss. They played, like, good, inspired football. And then Will Hammond comes in and he shows you why. He shows you why they didn't go get Jake Red Slap. And honestly, like, I'm not going to say Hammond looks better than when Morton is healthy because, like, I will.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

But early this year, Morton's looked unreal, like, really, really good. You know, I. But today he was better.

[Bud Elliott]

Their offense was much better in this game with Hammond. Yeah, than it was with Morton because like I, I. The final score is 34 to 10, but Tech scored 21 points or 24 points in like the last half of the fourth quarter. Like this game was much closer throughout most of the game than the final score suggests. I thought Tech's defense was incredible. The defensive line played very well. Holding up against that offensive line. They didn't get a ton of tackles for loss, but they didn't get pushed around either. They were just kind of hanging around, forcing the Duke, you know, out of their. Forcing Utah out of its rhythm. Utah offensively couldn't do a damn thing. I will say the one thing. I'm looking at this because Texas Tech had seven false starts in this game. Why are you going to Utah on the road and not having a silent cadence?

[Tom Fenelli]

This got Florida Napier two years ago or three years ago. Remember, like that opening game out there.

[Bud Elliott]

It was like, oh God, yeah. Like that's that, that no matter what Chip says, like the muss is very loud and they're going to be fired up. So like you're out here clapping and you're getting like false start after false start. Just. You should probably be prepared for silent count when you're going to play in the muss. No matter what Chip Patterson says.

[Chip Patterson]

Those losers are only going to get a response from me on this platform because they didn't even listen to the whole damn quote. They just saw a little screenshot with the words underneath it. And if that's what you needed to motivate yourself to watch a 24 point loss at 10am, sure, fine. I'm not gonna dignify that on Twitter. That's fine. Hey, you know what? I'm gonna answer and respond to you in the place where I said it because I know that you're not watching because the full quote was, the musk ain't gonna be rocking like it was in those Pac 12 after darks. That is an objectively fine analysis for what a student section in college is going to be like at 10am versus what it's going to be like at 8pmA student section will be louder 100% of the time at 8pm than what it is at 10am but those losers just stuck with the screenshot and decided that they were going to turn it into a whole motivating factor. So I look, they did a great job. They were showing it. Trust me. Everyone, everyone was sending me like, well, look at this.

[Bud Elliott]

Look at here, Chip, looky here.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that's awesome. I'm glad I'm glad they filled it up because those losers didn't get the whole quote.

[Bud Elliott]

You're not even gonna. As long as you don't remind them that They've now lost five straight home games in Big 12.

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, God.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. Just don't tell them that, whatever you do.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

So are you. Are you, like, TCU people? Are you Iowa State people for the Big 12 team that's going to play Texas Tech, Kansas.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, did. Did Hoover get hurt in that TCU game today?

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, my God.

[Chip Patterson]

Dude, he came back.

[Tom Fenelli]

What are we.

[Chip Patterson]

That was the dumbest. What? Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, he came back. I say this is somebody who watched his team get the crap beat out of it tonight, get injured the entire time, and still had a bunch of starters in the game come the fourth quarter.

[Tom Fenelli]

But, yeah, I'm. I'm like, I wish I had a hidden. If you've not watched this, I wish I had, like, a candid camera on you for when you do. Because, Chip, it was, what, 4th and 15.

[Chip Patterson]

4Th and 15. And we're just trying to, like, burn it out, and he hangs in the pocket.

[Tom Fenelli]

Like, last play of the game, basically.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. No, but then. Because then he came. He came back in after the interception and kneeled it out, because that was the thing is, he hobbled off the field, and I was like, oh, my gosh, they just lost Hoover, but he came back in for the Neils at the end of the game. So clearly he wasn't injured. Injured, but the. The guy. Your really, really good quarterback took a shot because they could have. Could have kicked a field goal. Right. But they wanted to burn more time off the clock. Was that it?

[Bud Elliott]

I think so.

[Tom Fenelli]

It would have been a long field goal. Like, the game is over by this point. You could have just done. You could have taken a knee. You're not losing the ball game at that point. I. That was wild. You saw McAllister went for 254.

[Bud Elliott]

Decent day.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, he's a good player.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that was skillet. Was fun.

[Bud Elliott]

It might just be a juggernaut, man. Maybe, you know?

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, TCU looks pretty good. Secondary could use a little work. But I. I will say, like, in a losing effort, Ken. Kevin Jennings, I thought, played really well on. On a bad wheel. He was out there fighting tough like they were. They were licking him pretty good. And, I mean, he just. He's kept throwing strikes.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that defense.

[Tom Fenelli]

That was fun. That was a fun game.

[Chip Patterson]

SMU's defense not good?

[Tom Fenelli]

No, not. Not great.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, that was. TCU could have scored more in this game like it was. And, and well, I don't know. I take that back immediately after it because now I'm remembering, now I'm remembering the dumb like 50 yard heaves that.

[Tom Fenelli]

Were just non review.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh yeah, by the way, hall got ejected for Michigan State on this drive. That USC discord on which good news.

[Bud Elliott]

For the team total.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, yeah, very.

[Chip Patterson]

So, yes, I, I think Joey McGuire, apparent Joey McGuire I believe said that Morton will be good to go. I joked in Slack that he's good to go. Grab the clipboard and the headset and start doing the Macarena out there and sending him the signals. Because I would have Will Hammond as the quarterback. There is an aspect that I will entertain that Utah was not prepped or, or you know, you get Hammond, you get a little bit of a different skill set so they throw some stuff at you you weren't really game planning for. I, I will definitely hear that. But we had heard throughout the, throughout the conversation about all right, how good is Texas Tech going to be? They spend all this money on their roster. Okay, how good is Baron Morton? He's really good, but he's got injury issues. Don't worry Chip, because the backup is good. Don't worry Chip, because they like Will Hammond. Well, I like Will Hammond a lot. I, I think that what he can give this team with his ability to run is noticeable. And I like, I, I would, I would be rolling with Hammond.

[Bud Elliott]

Please refer to him by his Christian name, Willie the Whip.

[Tom Fenelli]

Is that real or did you know.

[Bud Elliott]

That'S what, that's what Gus was calling him on the game?

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, see, I, I had on TV wall so I didn't have sound.

[Chip Patterson]

What, what did Willie the Whip. What did. How'd it go in studio?

[Tom Fenelli]

Good. What me and Shahan and Boney and those guys just, just, just chop it up. It was a good time.

[Chip Patterson]

The. Which. Which game was getting sound? Because that's always a decision when you're looking at the TV walls, trying to figure out which ones we're going to get audio on.

[Tom Fenelli]

So Clemson and then a little bit of Texas Tech and in the afternoon games, mostly Michigan, Nebraska, a little bit Oklahoma, Auburn. But we went back to Clemson for a little bit because of the lightning delay. What else in the early window got sound?

[Bud Elliott]

Did Wisconsin get any sound?

[Tom Fenelli]

It's more like a whimper. Dog dude.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, hey, look, let's have a quick, quick business discussion. Famous last words, obviously, because you know what we said last week didn't happen at all. You think we're getting Wisconsin or Florida tomorrow.

[Tom Fenelli]

I hope we get both or neither.

[Chip Patterson]

I agree.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

Band Aid this or like, let's, let's.

[Tom Fenelli]

Sit down, do an hour and a half or one hour total. And just an hour total. Not like two setups over two different weekends.

[Bud Elliott]

I, I, I don't, I don't know. I. Wisconsin to me still feels unlikely just because I don't feel like they've got somebody with the money to do it right now. But I also didn't think they would lose by that much at home to Maryland, so.

[Chip Patterson]

And it's like if the fans weren't gone, they were chanting fire fickle.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. I mean, that place was empty by the time that game was over. It's a mausoleum. So. I don't know. We'll see. I wouldn't be shocked by anything anymore. As far as Napier. I don't know.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, Florida is going into a bye week. There's.

[Bud Elliott]

That's, yeah. The timing on it is.

[Tom Fenelli]

You, you would have Ron Roberts be it right for the interim. Not that, not that our listeners care, but like the defense is still playing hard for him. He's kind of, he's experienced. Like, sometimes we hear that we're not gonna, we're not gonna fire the guy this early because who would, who would lead the team? They, they seem to be playing hard for the defense coordinators.

[Chip Patterson]

You could. What about Sam Pittman?

[Tom Fenelli]

That I think they're going to let him gracefully exit and take a position within University. It's a hunch, but I would bet on it.

[Chip Patterson]

Gundy?

[Tom Fenelli]

No idea.

[Bud Elliott]

We, we would get a defensive coordinator at Oak State that they just hired Everybody's third. And is it canon? No, no, no. Who's Oklahoma State's defensive coordinator that they hire? Todd Grantham.

[Tom Fenelli]

So.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So if they fire Gundy, we get Grantham as like interim just blitz.

[Tom Fenelli]

I, I'm totally here for Todd Grant, the interim coach.

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, that would be, that would make Oklahoma State enjoyable to watch. Not in a good way, but in a very perverse way. Like now. It's just sad watching Oklahoma State. It could be funny if Todd Grant.

[Chip Patterson]

Do you know, you know who else would be interested in, in Todd. Todd Grantham, interim coach. You know, I was, I hadn't, hadn't actually thought about this since you mentioned it, but the. I, I can think of a couple people who'd be interested in that. Dave Aranda, Brent Brennan, Willie Fritz, Scott Satterfield, Joey McGuire, Han Slipel, Chris Scott Frost and Matt Campbell. I think that those nine great setup. Extremely interested in interim coach Doc Grantham.

[Tom Fenelli]

Does he like immediately join Big Noon.

[Chip Patterson]

Mike yeah, just put him on the.

[Tom Fenelli]

Desk like it would be hilarious.

[Chip Patterson]

There's other networks that he's like probably more.

[Tom Fenelli]

Not with pre game shows.

[Bud Elliott]

Yet. Not with a pregame show yet.

[Chip Patterson]

All right, let's see. All right, coming up on the other side, just fiscal play at the line of scrimmage. It's what Michigan does and it is how they got in and out of Lincoln with the win. Plus 1, 23456, 7, 8, 910 sacks for the Oklahoma Sooners to power a big win against Auburn and more nukes ready to level up. Chumba Casino is your playbook to fun. It's free to play with no purchase necessary. Enjoy hundreds of online social games like blackjack, slots and solitaire anytime anywhere with fresh releases every week. Whether you are at home or on the go. Let Chumba Casino bring the excitement to you. Plus get free daily login bonuses and a free welcome bonus. Join now for your chance to redeem some serious prizes. Play Chumba Casino today. No purchase necessary. VGW Group VOIP board prohibited by law 21/TNCs apply what makes a great pair of glasses at Warby Parker? It's all the invisible extras without the extra cost. Their designer quality frames start at $95 including prescription lenses plus scratch resistant, smudge resistant and anti reflective coatings and UV protection and free adjustments for life. To find your next pair of glasses, sunglasses or contact lenses or to find the Warby Parker store nearest you, head over to warbyparker.com that's warbyparker.com back here on the COVID 3 podcast. You know to so reference back the the game that ended more recently that we discussed near the top of the show Florida and Miami. I had with Oklahoma and Auburn the the feeling that Oklahoma was mostly in control for most of the game and yet you're watching in the second half and here we go. Auburn gets back in this thing and Jackson Arnold has a a big 4th down conversion and you get a pass interference penalty in the end zone and then you're running it in and sure enough Auburn's got a 1716 lead. Then money line Matier at one point in the second half I think I had him as 11 straight completions, you know ends up finishing about 67 completion percentage. It was not an overwhelmingly awesome offensive day for Oklahoma. I think they could have done a better job of finishing drives. Probably made this game a little bit less sweaty near the end, but it ends up being mater with his legs Stretching across the goal line for the go ahead touchdown. That ended up being the. Not. Not the winner. Not the. Not the. Against the spread winner. No, that came from. From Mason Thomas and the defense to deliver the sack for an all time cover burger. But I mean, listen, let's. We'll say. Do you want to start there with.

[Tom Fenelli]

The COVID Yeah, I. No, I was, I was fine with the COVID Tom, you're a baseball guy too, to some extent. What's like the most baseball ish team that was just awesome pitching, a lot of strikeouts, timely home runs. It wins in the playoffs.

[Bud Elliott]

I guess you could go with like the Royals a few years ago with their bullpen, if you want to count that instead of starting pitching. That's kind of it.

[Tom Fenelli]

The Giants.

[Bud Elliott]

The Giants work. Yeah, for sure.

[Tom Fenelli]

On your hat. I was hoping. Okay. I know you're a recent Giants fan. That's who they are. Right. Like the defense is the awesome pitching. Mattier can't play from the pocket worth a damn, man. He is just off script magic. It's just chaos on offense. Arbuckle is a absolute wizard of a play caller, like scheming up enough stuff that he can hit. He doesn't really see the field very well from like the traditional, like let's re. Let's read it out, man. But the defense is just going to keep him in game so much and he's probably going to hit enough home runs more often than not. I had him as my SEC champion last week for the playoff picks and I just think that defense is really, really good. But today I'm backing off that a little bit because that, the. The total lack of a run game. I mean, I need you to be able to play like in structure at least a little bit. And that was concerning. I know they had some offensive line injuries and they had a lot of pressure on him, but at one point.

[Chip Patterson]

In this game they. I thought Auburn's defense answered the call in a way that you. I think, bud, you were on this in terms of like, it's not just Falk. Like they've got a lot of players. That's a pretty good defense right there.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I think they got. They have a nice defensive line. You know, like they fly around a little bit. At one point, Oklahoma was on pace. I. I was in studio with Shahan. There was two minutes left in the ball game or. Sorry. In the first half. With two minutes left in the first half, Oklahoma's on pace for 24 tackles for loss, which I think would be a record.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean they set Their own program record. You think about how many times Oklahoma's had nasty.

[Tom Fenelli]

And that's Pluto line for Robert. Like, okay, yeah, right.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, how great is that, too? I had this note last time that 10 plus sacks. There's an AP ranked team. Mikey's got it on the screen. The fact that it also happened against Auburn, man, that's something. And that Auburn team was good. Didn't that 2017 Auburn team, like, make the SEC championship game?

[Bud Elliott]

Who was their quarterback that year?

[Chip Patterson]

It was the Carry On Johnson year. I don't remember who the quarterback was.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, it's Nate Marshall.

[Chip Patterson]

No, Marshall's third.

[Tom Fenelli]

No, it's the white guy who played for the Patriots. He. He played at Baylor. Texas Tech for a little bit. Stidham. Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, it was Stidham. Okay.

[Chip Patterson]

He was at Baylor and then he was at Auburn.

[Tom Fenelli]

Commit.

[Chip Patterson]

Maybe. Yeah. But, yeah, this is it. To me, the story here is Oklahoma's defense, which you could argue might be what's. What do we. Where do we put Oklahoma's defense?

[Bud Elliott]

One of the best in the country.

[Chip Patterson]

One of the best in the country?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Like top three, top four.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were two NFL quarterbacks on the Melbourne team, by the way. Willis.

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, God.

[Bud Elliott]

But no, Oklahoma's defense. I mean, yeah, Auburn's defensive line was phenomenal. I thought Oklahoma's defensive line was phenomenal. I thought that Oklahoma secondary was getting cooked a little bit by Cam Coleman.

[Chip Patterson]

But they couldn't guard him.

[Tom Fenelli]

He is so good.

[Bud Elliott]

That's gonna happen. Like I said when we were doing the big game breakdown, I said, cortland Guillory, I like you, but you're gonna see a lot of Cam Coleman in this game and he saw more than he wanted to see on some of those throws. But yeah, I, I mean, I think Oklahoma is legitimately good. And like, this is. These are one of those games where you don't really play great, but you win. Like, you need to have these kind of games to get to the playoff, to get to the SEC championship. So the fact that Oklahoma is able to pull that one out to get off to start, I think is huge for them. And if I'm Auburn, like, it sucks and I know that they're going to be pissed about like the one officiating call where the guy that was like, pretended to be subbing out and stayed on and the refs didn't call it. And the SEC released a statement about it, like, before we started the show.

[Tom Fenelli]

But what'd they say?

[Bud Elliott]

They basically said that it will be handled and the ref screwed it up and that's all they're gonna say. But, like, if I'm Auburn, I don't feel terrible coming out of this. I'm actually probably somewhat optimistic. In that week we were able to hang with a good team on the road. It's like, I don't, I don't, you know, they're not gonna win the sec, I don't think, but I think still a team based on what we saw today is gonna be able to compete with pretty much everybody left on its schedule.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, I like that. For sure.

[Tom Fenelli]

They could win the sec.

[Bud Elliott]

They could.

[Chip Patterson]

I would pick five teams to win the SEC before I'd get to Auburn, at least.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, yeah, probably six or seven.

[Bud Elliott]

We're looking at that schedule. It's like nobody on there is like, I'm sitting there thinking, Auburn's got no shot in hell of beating any of these teams. I don't expect them to beat them, but I think that they're going to be close games.

[Chip Patterson]

But I think that, to your point, Tom, the win against Baylor and the way that this went against Oklahoma, you're going into this next little gauntlet not worried about losing the season because remember, during we were talking about win totals for Auburn, we were like, oh, no, all those winnable games are in the back half. But what if they've checked out? You know, like. No, there's a, There is belief. I, I think that within that Auburn program, I think that they, they think that they've got a good team, they like their group and, and that's a. That this is still a team that very much can be competitive, as you mentioned, in every game that's left on the schedule. For sure.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. The big time game on CBS featured. It was, it was a game that I thought that, you know, like, didn't carry massive, like, did. Doesn't change the national landscape in a big way. I thought it delivered. I thought it was pretty fun. I thought that you've got a couple things happening at the same time. You've got the, the Bryce Underwood sort of arc and Bryce Underwood against Dylan Raiola. You've got Nebraska trying to just like finally break through and end all of these wild statistical droughts. Michigan never really had the ball in this game. They just kept ripping off 60 yards, 75 yard runs for touchdowns. Kind of a, Kind of a wild one here. Yeah, we got. Thank you from. From Mikey on the screen. First Michigan trio with 50 plus rush yards and a rushing TD in a Big Ten game since 2010. That would be just the Saints going for 149 and a score. Bryce Underwood 61 and a score on the ground, and Jordan Marshall 80 and a score on the ground. It just. The feedback that I was starting to see, at least within the Nebraska circles, was you, you were encouraged by the competition, but that Michigan also showed some deficiencies that are with this team right now.

[Tom Fenelli]

I was encouraged by things on both sides. I, I think the Nebraska skill guys.

[Chip Patterson]

Are for real, but the lines of scrimmage is the, like, that's, I just.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I, I, they're soft as hell, dude.

[Chip Patterson]

Like, I, I think Michigan knew that and I think they coached that way. I think they played that way. They're like, all right, well, if we get into, if we get into a shootout and we're trying to go skill for skill, we're going to lose, especially on the road. But I agree, Mash these guys and that's exactly what they did.

[Tom Fenelli]

Now, defensively, I was not surprised, but a little bit disappointed by how much Michigan blitzed. Like, I don't think you need to. I would like to see some more guys in coverage. And I know it's Wink Martindale, so he's just, that's just what he does. He's gonna blitz. And, and I, I get it. Like, you had guys winning one on one pretty consistently from pass rush standpoint. I don't know that you have to, like, you have to blitz rail to see in the field pretty well. He's finding the one on one stuff. I'd like to kind of flood the passing lanes more and just trust my front line to get home there. And we go back to what we said pregame. Cincinnati, a bottom half, but not like bottom, not basement like a bottom half. Big 12 team with a completely rebuilt offensive line and not much in IL money. They pushed you around all night. Their quarterback just threw dumbass interceptions, man. Like, they had a 70 rushing success rate. Michigan's O line is way down from what it was. They were without their best blocker, by the way, and they still got whatever they wanted in the run game like that. How many defensive lines would you take in the Big Ten behind Nebraska? Let me rephrase this. Like, would you rather have Nebraska's D line or Northwesterns? Nebraska, Nebraska or Purdue?

[Bud Elliott]

Nebraska.

[Tom Fenelli]

Nebraska or Michigan State?

[Chip Patterson]

Healthy Michigan State or.

[Tom Fenelli]

Sure. I don't know, tie Nebraska or uclex? I think it's bottom five.

[Bud Elliott]

Nebraska.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I think it's bottom five in the Big Ten. Like, they, those guys don't look like they belong at Nebraska.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. It's not good.

[Tom Fenelli]

I'll tell you. Like on our Knowles group chat, that was the combo mostly. It was like Tony White got out of there at the right time, man. He realized like what the loss of those big, those big bodies inside, you know, we're going to be for this team.

[Chip Patterson]

Rutgers or Nebraska?

[Tom Fenelli]

Rutgers is bad defensively this year, Ty.

[Chip Patterson]

That's the group we're talking about though.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, right. Like they're in that like not playable contention.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, that was box score wise. That's one of the most misleading quarterback box scores pairings that I've ever seen.

[Chip Patterson]

In my life between Underwood and Raiola.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah. Because if you were to just look at the box where you think Underwood played horribly and Rayola was great. Underwood was fine. Wasn't great. He was fine.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

He also had a touchdown pass that was an absolute dime that hit his receiver in the hands and he dropped it. There were a few drops that Michigan had. So Underwood's stat line should look better. And all of Raiola's came like on the Hail Mary. And then the very final driver, they got the touchdown right before halftime. And boys, I'm done. I'm out on Dylan Raiola. I'm not going to pretend anymore. I'm not going to sit there and think it's going to get, you know, he's just annoying. The stuff he does where he's just like running left and flipping away with his right when he doesn't have to. And it just drives me insane because it's like you remember how everybody started like when Steph Curry first became a thing and they were saying Steph Curry's ruining basketball because now all kids want to do is chuck like 40 foot threes.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yes.

[Bud Elliott]

Patrick Mahomes has ruined quarterbacking because now all these kids want to do all this stuff like Patrick Mahomes. And obviously Dylan takes it to a very different level than everybody else. But he's trying all these stupid sidearm, wrist flicky throws. He never steps into a damn throw even when he's got a clean pocket. He does he like, he just stitches.

[Chip Patterson]

His base is completely still and he.

[Bud Elliott]

Just tries to fling it with his arm. It's horrible.

[Chip Patterson]

And the fact that they let him.

[Bud Elliott]

Get away with it repeatedly and nobody tries to fix it or like punish him for it. Like it drives me insane. If I'm a Nebraska fan, I would be out of my mind. You're not going to win with your quarterback trying to make all these cool throws instead of just making the damn play.

[Chip Patterson]

That's There.

[Tom Fenelli]

I forgot who it might have been Chase Daniel who tweeted this, but I'm not sure who it was exactly. I was like, man, I think it was Chase Daniel who tweeted this. But he was like, dude, if I need somebody to take like the most nonchalant of drops and just do a bunch of casual throwaways, I know I'm calling. And yet, like, he does some stuff. Amazingly. It's just like. It's almost like he's just trying to be too cool with it.

[Bud Elliott]

He's. Yeah, the one touchdown he threw, it was a blown coverage, but it was a very nice throw. But, yeah, he's always trying to do like a off platform, back foot, kind of twirly, whatever throw. And it's like, bro, just step into it and fire. Like, you've got really strong arm. You could be in the NFL if you ever tried to learn how to play quarterback. Instead, you're trying to learn how to play Patrick Mahomes. And Patrick Mahomes, like, does that when he has to. He doesn't do it every damn play.

[Chip Patterson]

Is Stafford is Godfather? Is that it?

[Bud Elliott]

Matt, have a talk with him.

[Chip Patterson]

I was gonna say, like, we. I think we've got somebody who can. Who can step in here, because I don't. I. I haven't been breaking down Stafford film recently. I know he's been going through some. He started the season, he had a crazy.

[Tom Fenelli]

This is actually a bad influencer now. He had an ins. Insane sidearm throw the other night.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, no.

[Tom Fenelli]

So Dylan, he had a fade away like. Like, sidearm nonsense. That was just beautiful.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, it's. To me, it's. This all goes back to just the way that nobody's bothering to develop quarterbacks anymore. Because, like, if I'm. If I am Dana Holgerson and I'm watching my guy do that every single week on tape. Why am I not pulling him aside and saying, whoa, hey, come on, this is. Let's do. This is how you're supposed to do it. It's like they're. I don't know, but I guess when you're only having them throw bubble screens all the freaking time.

[Chip Patterson]

I was gonna say, because Dana's like, I don't know. We're just. We're just trying to hit these short little passes and then hope that it sets up the defense for the one, like, deep shot later.

[Tom Fenelli]

I don't think they had a whole lot of ability to protect it, to go deep. And I definitely get annoyed with the visuals of how Raiola plays It's annoying because it. Because it looks like he's not trying exactly how just casual he is with the drop backs. Right. And I'm not going to say the guy's not trying, but I do think like, maybe, maybe style ranks too highly on his list of important factors. I also thought, like, he got the ball on time at times today. Like, a lot of. I don't think most of these sacks were on him. I mean, Nebraska whiffed in some of these portal evaluations this year on both sides of line of scrimmage. But like Pritchett really can't play, you know, and he wasn't good at Bama either. And like they. They took him thinking they would fix him and they're. They so far have been unable to do so. Like, there was pressure in his lap pretty quickly a lot of times tonight. I, I thought. And you know, he played better against. Against Michigan's defense than Mattier did. I thought. I mean, when you factor in the drop picks that material threw, right, like material through the cookies, they just dropped. But that. That's really not. Not on, you know, Michigan. That's on. It's on. Mater.

[Bud Elliott]

There were some balls that rail it through today that should have been picked too. There was.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, that's.

[Bud Elliott]

But like the one where he just. He's getting sacked and he threw in his own offensive lineman. Caught it like, bro.

[Chip Patterson]

What.

[Bud Elliott]

But I will say too, you mentioned their offensive line. Like, they're not coaching their quarterback, nor are they considering that, hey, our tackles are getting the hell beat out of them on Nyland all day. Maybe we should give them some help.

[Chip Patterson]

Why?

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, there was a whole lot that Nebraska was doing today that was just kind of whatever. But here's the number for you guys. 28. You know what it is the number.

[Chip Patterson]

Of consecutive games against ranked opponents that the Nebraska Cornhuskers football program have lost.

[Bud Elliott]

Correct. Here's another number for you. 18. Do you know what it is?

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, I don't know. Eighteen. Tell me. No.

[Bud Elliott]

The number of losses without a victory that Matt Rule has against ranked teams since leaving Temple where he was 2 and 5, and he is now 0 and 18 at Baylor in Nebraska.

[Tom Fenelli]

I don't think he's a bad coach.

[Chip Patterson]

I just.

[Bud Elliott]

No, neither do I. But. But we're gonna give James Franklin crap for it.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean, we give Franklin for the top 10. This is AP ranked opponents. I mean, there is nothing that guarantees that Michigan will still be a ranked opponent at the end of the year. And we'll get to tomorrow's top 25 today here shortly. But that's a, that's a teens ass team, you know. No, no one's looking at Michigan. The wit with. We are four weeks into this college football season. Everyone respects Bryce Underwood's talent. The way Michigan is built at the line of scrimmage, the absolute monsters that they have when they want to tee off on you in the pass rush. But they can be got. They've got some, they've got some weaknesses. So no one's, no one's ready to put them in that conversation. As a top 10 team in the.

[Tom Fenelli]

Country, are you more worried about Michigan secondary or are we just going to give more credit to Nebraska's receivers?

[Chip Patterson]

I think, I think Nebraska's wide receivers are pretty good.

[Tom Fenelli]

I think so too.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Like, I don't, I don't think Michigan's defense is what it was last year.

[Chip Patterson]

I don't think it's so funny. I think Michigan on the perimeter offensively and defensively is the weakness. And I think Michigan at the lines of scrimmage, offensively and defensively is the strength.

[Tom Fenelli]

If you combine these two teams.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Oh, that's, that's it.

[Tom Fenelli]

If you, if you combine Michigan and Nebraska, that's like a top four team right there.

[Bud Elliott]

But can we count Bryce Underwood instead of Raiola?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I'm taking Bryce over.

[Bud Elliott]

Yes. Because I, I feel like I've seen more from Bryce in four games to give me hope about who he's going to be than I've seen from rail in 17 though he, Petiti should like.

[Tom Fenelli]

Issue like, like an in season trade. I'm sending two receivers from you up to Ann Arbor. We're going to send a couple like 300 pounders down, down to Lincoln and let's roll with it. We're both better off.

[Bud Elliott]

We'll be able to do that by 2040, don't you worry.

[Chip Patterson]

But Tom, to your point, Gary had it on the broadcast where it was like drops back, sees the split safeties, know the middle of the field is going to only have a referee in it. And look at my speed. Here we go. I mean he just. There are so many quarterbacks in college football today who just simply were not seeing it. And Bryce Underwood is in his second career road start, fourth career start. Seems like he was seeing it.

[Bud Elliott]

Say what you want about Michigan's offense, all right, going back to Harbaugh and now with Cheryl Moore and how conservative they are and blah, blah, blah. I think Bryce Underwood at this point knows more about reading what a defense is doing before the snap than Dylan Raola does. Because I think Michigan's offense actually forces you to deuce. Whereas in Nebraska's offense you're only reading what your one player does. So that's why when you're Dylan Raola, you don't even notice that that corner is there and you drop back and without even ever looking you turn to your right to throw the pass and you throw it directly to the Michigan defensive back because you never saw him there.

[Tom Fenelli]

I'm glad you brought that up because the couple times that Michigan got got did get sacked tonight or got hit, they were trying to get more of that downhill run game. Look out of pistol and like Bryce gets smoked on the one. It, it, it's. I think it's a corner blitz. I'm curious to see like how they incorporate because obviously like you get the more downhill run look because you're actually turning your back to the defense. It's like a true run fake as opposed to just in gun but you're not seeing it.

[Chip Patterson]

I'm sure that, I'm sure that's going to be one of the adjustments. One of the things they work on as they continue to move forward again. Michigan now 3 and 1 only loss coming on the road to Oklahoma. Good football team. We'll, we'll be curious to see as they continue to develop moving forward. I, we were talking, I would take like Indiana and Michigan are not playing this year.

[Bud Elliott]

They have to go to usc. Then they get Ohio State just I don't know if they win on the road at usc. I think they'll be very much in that conversation going into the Ohio State game and they'll probably only have have no more than two losses at that point.

[Tom Fenelli]

Who has a better case to make the playoff at 10 and 2, Indiana or Michigan?

[Bud Elliott]

Indiana just beat a top 10 team by 53.

[Tom Fenelli]

This is true. So it might have beat him by too much.

[Chip Patterson]

What are you thinking? Kurt?

[Bud Elliott]

Call off the damn dogs.

[Chip Patterson]

How much apple? How much apple cup did we get in?

[Tom Fenelli]

A little bit. I'm extremely concerned about both these defenses.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay.

[Tom Fenelli]

State's office sucks and they still move the ball in Washington.

[Chip Patterson]

My, my notepad. From what I was able to gather was Denzel Boss. In a season of first team all Americans and like you know, superstar players who didn't quite live up to it. Denzel Boston seems to be doing that. He's really good. I'm very happy when the players that we thought are, are really good continue to live up to it. Also that game was really close. I had to Put my head down to do some writing. I looked up and it wasn't. I think from what I could tell, trying to catch up. It goes back to your Washington State defense commentary and that, you know, Washington is skill.

[Bud Elliott]

I. I don't want to interrupt, but I will. I don't think we're going to be hearing much from the Calgorithm this week, folks. No, San Diego State just had a defensive touchdown. They are now up 20 to nothing on Cal.

[Chip Patterson]

Listen, I'll say it first. Sean Lewis has had a tough go of it. Man. You go get that win playing at home and Snapdragon Stadium. Isn't that what it is?

[Tom Fenelli]

Yep.

[Bud Elliott]

It's a cool name for stadium.

[Chip Patterson]

A whole football stadium sponsored by a tablet or a computer.

[Bud Elliott]

Like Snapdragon Stadium. Sounds like a place where they got like dirt bike racing. You know what I mean?

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

It just sounds we're going to Snapdragon Stadium.

[Tom Fenelli]

Maybe they all got recruited to go work in like tech shops, jobs. That's Snapdragon.

[Chip Patterson]

That was the distraction. You know, they had a job fair before the game started.

[Bud Elliott]

They were showing off their apps and not studying their playbooks.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, tough, tough. Listen, I. Jerry and Kiave Saga Polytelli is still good enough to dice up an ACC defense throughout the schedule. Cal is not put together enough to avoid laying an egg in this kind of week four non conference road spot. So I, I agree with you. We're probably not going to be hearing from the Calgorithm. But I'm not gonna totally. I'm not going to totally bail on that one.

[Bud Elliott]

As I said, Utah student section.

[Chip Patterson]

The ACC is a. They are a crab in a bucket conference. They will figure out. How about Trinidad Chambliss?

[Bud Elliott]

I mean I did not see any of this game.

[Chip Patterson]

This is another one that I kind of starred in the Will Hammond department. If you want to go with Chambers the rest of the way or at least four now. Not going to argue with you. I don't.

[Tom Fenelli]

I mean he played well. Tulane looked a little out of gas.

[Chip Patterson]

Well overmatched. Oh, you blew your. You blew your wad on Northwestern and Duke.

[Tom Fenelli]

Right.

[Chip Patterson]

What are you saving?

[Tom Fenelli]

Doesn't Ole Miss have one of those crazy easy schedules?

[Chip Patterson]

Ole Miss? You mean crazy easy. It's the same as last year. It is set up for them.

[Tom Fenelli]

So crazy easy.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Like really like just a cakewalk easy schedule.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

Are those guys so 99 and was seven for Michigan State Just slammed into each other on defense. And remember Hall's already ejected so like we might have three Starters down going into the half.

[Bud Elliott]

If you target your own teammates with.

[Tom Fenelli]

The ancillary rules, they probably call that nonsense.

[Bud Elliott]

I'm now looking at the box score. I did not watch this game. Wow, Jake. Red slap 5 of 17 for 56 yards. Don't worry, we'll bring in the backup. Sullivan 5 of 12 for 48. Just a. Not a fun time for Tulane.

[Chip Patterson]

No, just didn't have it. I, I, I, I, But I'll rock with that too. And you know what? Maybe they it was bigger fish to fry Saturday because if you weren't going to win, Memphis, Memphis has entered the chat. I mean this, this American race is awesome.

[Tom Fenelli]

North Texas, it's a fun league.

[Chip Patterson]

North Texas looks really good. The Americans a lot of fun.

[Tom Fenelli]

Jake, Jake melting down, by the way, you're, you're saying, how was Lauderdale? Like, Jake melting down about North Texas, like almost blowing that game to Army. We win army camp. Pass was, that was pretty classic. I, I made a basketball reference. You guys actually would be pretty proud of me here. I was like, Arkansas is like that team that can score a ton of points, plays no defense at any point in the game, and then kind of tightens up towards the end and also can't shoot free throws.

[Chip Patterson]

Hey, nice.

[Tom Fenelli]

Look at that.

[Chip Patterson]

Look at that.

[Bud Elliott]

Let's make your free throws, kids.

[Chip Patterson]

Free Throw awareness month becoming. Hey, you want to talk about Extra Point awareness Month? If Missouri makes one extra point, we hit our team total over.

[Tom Fenelli]

They were drop kicking tonight.

[Bud Elliott]

Eli's just a nerd.

[Chip Patterson]

No, I'm, I'm still in on, I'm still in on Missouri. I'm not gonna overreact.

[Bud Elliott]

They're on probation for a week. I mean, honestly, with that schedule.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

I got beat so bad, I might just be a Mizzou fan for the rest of the season. Who knows?

[Chip Patterson]

Did y' all get much eyes on Missouri? South Carolina?

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, I was watching it. I mean, I had, I needed to divert my attention from the game that was on the big tv.

[Chip Patterson]

Well.

[Bud Elliott]

I mean, I, I thought like, that was a very Lenora Sellers performance in that at times he would do something really cool and then he would also take a sack for like a 20 yard loss on first and goal from the three. You're just, it's like, bro, we gotta, we gotta. I remember like, what was the one game last year I think was against Arkansas. While we're on the subject of that, but like, where he was being sacked and then he kind of threw the ball, like just kind of sky hooked it Right into a defender's arms, if I remember correctly. We've got to wipe that out, Lenoris, because that's not going to help your team win. But just overall, I thought, like, I don't think the game was as close as the score. I feel like Mizzou left a lot on the field, like you said.

[Chip Patterson]

Hell, yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

They did miss the extra points.

[Chip Patterson]

A lot of field goals where they weren't able to punch him in for touchdown.

[Bud Elliott]

Able to finish drives. Yeah, like, just. That could have been a much better game. But their rush defense was fun, nominal. And South Carolina's rushing offense is just stone.

[Chip Patterson]

One of these teams was really good at running the football and stopping the run. And then the other one was the exact opposite at those two things right there.

[Bud Elliott]

Like, there was. There was a lot. And there's a lot of talk about that Phazon kid that they got from Utah State and how they were hoping to get the waiver. They probably should. Maybe now you're wishing that thing didn't get passed because that guy has not been very good.

[Chip Patterson]

But they were relying on him. Yeah, they're positive that they were going to have an answer elsewhere, but did you get. Oh, go ahead.

[Bud Elliott]

They had nobody on their team, finished with more than 10 yards rushing. Their leading rusher was Attaway, 3 for 7.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, all right, bud, let's check our setting. Oh, there we go. Wait.

[Bud Elliott]

Oh, Spaghettio.

[Tom Fenelli]

All right. All right.

[Chip Patterson]

I.

[Tom Fenelli]

But this Michigan State injury is bad. Like, you got guys crying on the field. Oh, crap. They're bringing out the stretcher.

[Chip Patterson]

The.

[Tom Fenelli]

The Matthews, I think his name is for. For Michigan State. Yeah, they got the card out, obviously.

[Chip Patterson]

We hope.

[Tom Fenelli]

We hope he's okay. South Carolina was not going to be able to run the ball in Missouri. Missouri, basically, I think, declared that by formation and personnel and.

[Chip Patterson]

All right.

[Tom Fenelli]

If you can beat us with your arm, do it. And for a little while, he did, and then he couldn't. Mod Hardy is a hell of a back. Like, yeah. Best backs you've seen this year. Justice, Haynes, the kids with Notre Dame.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. Love and Price combined. Especially factor in prices like special teams, ability to. That running back room gives you much more than a lot. More than a lot of others.

[Tom Fenelli]

Hardy, I think, is sort of up there.

[Chip Patterson]

Who else would you put on that list?

[Tom Fenelli]

This is where we get yelled at for. Not for. For forgetting to include people. All right. Nobody at Bama, nobody at Auburn.

[Bud Elliott]

Jonah Coleman.

[Tom Fenelli]

Coleman's good.

[Bud Elliott]

Hollywood Smothers.

[Chip Patterson]

How about LJ Martin? Byu? BYU hadn't played a lot. He Plays well, they gotta step. They gotta step up in competition coming. But they. I thought they handled business at ECU well.

[Tom Fenelli]

I think Waymond Jordan for USC is that guy. M's interesting.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. The Joel in the tailgate mentioned the kid from Louisville, Isaac Brown. Isaac Brown's super talented. He's one of the best freshmen in the country last year. If we're going Browns, I would rather go relik Brown. You know, just based on only looking at performance this year, not based on overall talent, you know. So let's see any. What else. Anything else from Saturday before we hit one more break and get into tomorrow's top 25 and wrap it up.

[Tom Fenelli]

Saturday. UNLV Miami Ohio was wild.

[Chip Patterson]

Wild game.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, that was. Go watch the highlights of that.

[Bud Elliott]

Notre Dame and Purdue. Notre dame won by 26. Hope you got the right number there.

[Tom Fenelli]

If you followed on Purdue, Liberty's quarterback got knocked out. They were actually pretty competitive until that happened. He. He was in a sling. So I don't know what his status is.

[Chip Patterson]

Miracle cover for the Temple Owls.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, much, much appreciated.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, dog walked West Virginia.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I think, I think Buffalo's second string quarterback lost to Troy's third string quarterback. If I pulled that up at the right time.

[Chip Patterson]

I forgot to do a count of all the challenges, bud. I figured out late the day on Thursday that we had a bunch of like CUSA Sunbelt games. Oh yeah, like Mac CUSA games. That's. I. I'm going. I'll pledge that. Now one of my pun for the review items is to give you the scoreboard from Week 4 Conference Challenge Week to figure out who ended up coming out on top.

[Tom Fenelli]

Didn't Middle Tennessee win.

[Chip Patterson]

Against Marshall? Yeah, I know.

[Tom Fenelli]

No, Marshall came back. Excuse me. Okay, what, what the hell is up with Coastal all of a sudden playing? Okay, like Coastal look like a bottom five team in the sport for about two weeks and now they're just teenagers, man.

[Chip Patterson]

I, I know that we always talk about how like, like Major Applewhite might need to have a conversation with his defensive coordinator if Ted Hudson is carving your defense up.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, for sure. Delaware. Delaware beat FIU by 22 on the road.

[Chip Patterson]

Is Delaware good?

[Bud Elliott]

They're kinda.

[Chip Patterson]

I mean they just.

[Tom Fenelli]

I, I watched it against a little bit against Yukon.

[Chip Patterson]

They're.

[Tom Fenelli]

They're definitely not like expansion team looking at like they look like a team that belongs in the FPS.

[Chip Patterson]

I would, I would agree. I like that. They do not look expansion team Duke. NC State was very, very dumb. Extremely dumb. I don't know how much, how many eyes y' all got on this one.

[Bud Elliott]

But we got a thumbs up from Matthews while he was put on the back checkboard.

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, good. All right.

[Bud Elliott]

Waved the team away from the cart before it drove off, slowly moving across the field to the tunnel.

[Chip Patterson]

All right. Still scary. We wish, we wish full recovery for, for Matthews on that. That's little chill, little chills on that one. All right. We will re wreck this, take a quick break, come back with tomorrow's top 25 today and close it out. So coming up on the other side, how high will Oklahoma climb? Where will Illinois fall? All that and more. If you love the NFL and NFL draft, you'll love with the first pick a part of CBS Sports Podcast network, CBS Sports draft analyst Ryan Wilson and former Titans GM Ran Carthon come to you twice a week to give the front office perspective on the biggest NFL storylines of the day. We also follow the NFL Draft closer than anyone. The weekly updates on our favorite college players, names to know based on your your favorite NFL team's needs and all the mock drafts and big boards you could want. If you love football, you're exactly where you're supposed to be. Download with the first pick and follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere podcasts are found.

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[Tom Fenelli]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Tom Fenelli]

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[Bud Elliott]

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[Chip Patterson]

Back here on the COVID 3 podcast where we always like to try to get you set for the new AP Top 25 poll being released on Sunday with a look at the changes in the rankings, we call it tomorrow's top 25 today. Now you can find a story by the exact same title on cbsports.com and so I like to ask my friends here just sort of play some guessing games here. Do you think that Oklahoma can jump into the Georgia Oregon range of the top 10? I think that being number 11 last week beating Auburn at home and so many teams straight up not playing or not playing anybody. Let me give a little bit of context for those listening at home. Six of the top 14 teams in the country were off just straight up didn't play this week. The only top 10 teams who even played a power conference opponent were Miami and Illinois. So in terms of big movements, we've only got a couple of results that are going to spark big movements, but I think one of them could be Oklahoma over Auburn. And that would not be big in terms of the number of spots, only notable because it is changing the conversations in terms of where the Sooners are landing and who we compare them to. So I'll ask, do you think the Sooners can get as high as 6?

[Bud Elliott]

I don't know if they'd get as high as 6, but I do think that they'll probably get into that, like, 7 to 9 range. Like, I don't think they'll be 10. And I mean, if you just look at it from, like, a resume perspective, not from an AP ranking perspective, but from, like a power ranking perspective, is there a team out there that has two better wins than Auburn? In Michigan?

[Chip Patterson]

Right now, there's not a team that has two. But I wonder if Florida State's win over Alabama counts. I've got them at 8, one spot behind Florida State, but I could see them being ahead of Florida State and being at 7. And that is like, it often is, as y', all, you know, probably gotten sick of hearing me saying, has to do with the voting points and the way the ballots came out. Last year, there was a definitive tier. It's like 1400 voting points gets you into the Oregon range. And then there was less than 60 votes. And we're talking like. Like 11, 60 something to 10 hundred. You know, 80 something. Like, it was a very small gap from 7 to 11. So I've got Oklahoma basically jumping from the bottom of that tier to the top of that tier, but I don't know if they're going to jump all the way up into that Georgia, Oregon conversation.

[Tom Fenelli]

Who would they have to jump to get to eight, Chip?

[Chip Patterson]

They would jump Texas and Illinois. Huh?

[Tom Fenelli]

It's gonna be a good day of arguing online.

[Chip Patterson]

Oh, listen, Oklahoma over Texas is totally fine. I don't know.

[Bud Elliott]

Arch stared down that same Houston dude. He's like, do you know who I am? Do you know my name? Do you know my family?

[Chip Patterson]

I have an unpopular opinion on that.

[Bud Elliott]

Let's hear it.

[Chip Patterson]

Let's can the book. Can he. Can he just, like, release a little bit? Just have a little fun? Yeah, he's fine. Yeah.

[Bud Elliott]

Can I release a little bit? My team lost by 53. Can I have some fun? You can.

[Chip Patterson]

But I was.

[Bud Elliott]

Shut up and let me make fun of Arch big time.

[Tom Fenelli]

That's like a Taj Boyd level ass whooping.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah. I've got Oklahoma jumping up to number eight. I've got Indiana jumping from 19 to 10. I've got Texas Tech jumping from 17 to 11. I think Illinois hangs in. Tom. Okay, nine to autumn ranked.

[Bud Elliott]

Get them out.

[Chip Patterson]

Nine to unranked is a big drop.

[Bud Elliott]

Get them out. You lost by 53.

[Chip Patterson]

We're going to be talking about like BYU getting in, TCU getting in. I mean, we're, we're dipping into new territory here, Mississippi State. You know, I think that, I think Illinois carried enough weight with the voters that they're not going to fall all the way from nine out, but they are definitely going to be in that point where next loss gets them out.

[Bud Elliott]

Get them out. Tank. Big noon kickoffs ratings.

[Tom Fenelli]

Can we, can we drop lsu? Not, not out of the polls, but just drop them down some?

[Bud Elliott]

I would, yeah.

[Tom Fenelli]

So, but the wins that were like, they're booing them are Florida might not score two touchdowns against mine if they played 10 quarters. And Clemson, which is a lot worse than we thought.

[Chip Patterson]

If Georgia, you, your request is heard and I, I'm sure that there will be people that will do that. But if Georgia didn't jump LSU after beating Tennessee in Knoxville last week, they ain't gonna do it this week.

[Tom Fenelli]

But I think the difference is we now have two very confirming data points, right? Like, Miami handled Florida better than LSU handled Florida. Like, Florida gave LSU five turnovers and LSU still like, didn't pull away until kind of late.

[Chip Patterson]

But our final margins were not different enough. So at the beginning of the day, when I made my notes of like, big moves that could happen, just, just sort of be thinking about, I was like, if Miami pastes, I said, I, I wrote, I was like, if Miami pace Florida, we could talk about maybe being as high as number two, but definitely jumping LSU for number three. And I just think that 13 to 7 and heading into the fourth quarter for voters who are like flipping on all the night games and trying to figure out who's who and what's what, that doesn't look that different than 20 to 10 the week before in the exact same spot on the exact same.

[Tom Fenelli]

Network mark, that's fair.

[Chip Patterson]

Will look different. But I, I, I don't think that Miami was impressive enough to spark that jump. But yeah, It's a, it is 100 a fair statement to go for.

[Tom Fenelli]

Do you have TCU jumping in?

[Chip Patterson]

Yes.

[Tom Fenelli]

Okay. And Auburn dropping out Obviously Utah and Auburn dropping out.

[Chip Patterson]

Utah was a late addition. I don't know if you remember that. They started unranked and they really only got in, you know, after blowing the doors off. Ucla, which has now fired their coach. I think I said 11, right? 10 10th. Yeah. Indiana 19 to 10. Texas Tech 17 to 11. Which basically is so easy for voters because Texas A and M and Iowa State didn't play. Like, when you're looking at the tiers and the way they're split up, they just, just slot them in right there. Let's see, for Michigan, slight bump up, but no real change in terms of the overall pecking order. Notre Dame, they finally got a win, Tom. They. Listen, they gotta win. You know, they shouldn't only be ranked, they should move up, write a column about it.

[Bud Elliott]

Purdue is feisty. All right, good.

[Tom Fenelli]

Man. I, I gotta tell you, like, looking at the others receiving votes from last week, this goes kind of, this is probably one of the easier ones Chip has had. Right. Because like a lot of these teams either lost or they didn't play anybody. Right. Like, who had a good win? Tc? Arizona State.

[Bud Elliott]

Arizona State beat Baylor. I think that's decent.

[Chip Patterson]

And BYU just had such an advantage. BYU was close to USC last week. BYU was very, very close to breaking in. So double digit win on the road across the country. Sure. They'll get, they'll, they'll get a few more to punch their ticket on in. And who knows, maybe Arizona State after that, after that big win against Baylor ends up breaking through. If USC ends up, we will see. We got.

[Bud Elliott]

That was a fun Big 12 game, by the way.

[Chip Patterson]

It was a fun game.

[Tom Fenelli]

Oh, the fourth quarter especially, that was.

[Bud Elliott]

Yeah, that's what the Big 12 is. That was like the, that's like a quintessential Big 12 game.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, of course. Head over to CBSSports.com to see the full 1 through 25, our projections of how the new Top 25 will look on Sunday. All right, anything else from the Notebook? Did y' all watch any of North Carolina?

[Bud Elliott]

No.

[Chip Patterson]

Yeah, they, they're just, they stink.

[Tom Fenelli]

Yeah, I kind of think I know what UCF is. I looked at that box, I was like, oh, my God, is this the worst North Carolina team in your lifetime?

[Chip Patterson]

No, the team that quit on Larry Fedora. Okay. Yeah, like, Larry Fedora won five games across two seasons. Three win season followed by a two win season.

[Bud Elliott]

And he got an extension.

[Chip Patterson]

No, they got fired and they hired Mack Brown. So 2017 and 2018. Carl Torbush, if you want to talk about Remember some dudes, Carl Torbush took over after Mack Brown. He was max defensive coordinator. And it, it was, it was one of those situations where like, I think week one or week two he lost to Furman. And it was like, oh, God, second year. I mean, just very quickly we realized we promoted the internal guy, but the internal guy can't run this program. They didn't stick with it for long, but he still had a team that was decent. And this team's just. Until they, until the North Carolina football team gets healthier along the offensive line, their offense is just not going to be great.

[Tom Fenelli]

Are you guys watching UTSA Hawaii?

[Chip Patterson]

Not right now.

[Tom Fenelli]

So it's. Oh, they discord.

[Chip Patterson]

Okay. All right. Anything else?

[Tom Fenelli]

San Diego State SDSU scored again. It's 27 to nothing.

[Bud Elliott]

JKS just threw another interception, too.

[Tom Fenelli]

Holy cow.

[Chip Patterson]

All right, we will recap how the Calgary Holy.

[Tom Fenelli]

Holy cow.

[Chip Patterson]

More like we will recap how the Calgorithm responds to to said things when.

[Bud Elliott]

We need to recalibrate.

[Chip Patterson]

Hey, there we go. All right. And. And we'll see how USC ends up handling things up 2410 at halftime. So come back and join us Monday at 11:00am Eastern Time. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fenelli. You can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chip Underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

[Bud Elliott]

Illinois lost by a billion.

[Chip Patterson]

Yo, this is important, man. My favorite Lululemon shorts, the ones he got me back in the day, I think they're called pace breakers. The ones with all the pockets.

[Tom Fenelli]

I just got back from vacation and I left them in my hotel room.

[Chip Patterson]

And dude, I need to replace these shorts. I wear them like three times a week. Week. Could you send me the link to where you got them? Oh, also, my birthday is coming up soon, so. Anyways, thanks, bro. Talk soon. Looking for your newest Go to's Lululemon what's new gear drops on Tuesdays. Every Tuesday, head to lululemon.com to shop.

[Bud Elliott]

What's new gear.