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Week 5 INSTANT REACTION | Oregon-Penn State | Alabama-Georgia | LSU-Ole Miss | FSU Loses | Cover 3
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To the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott.
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It's your call for the best college.
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Football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and everything in between. CBS Sports presents the COVID three po.
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We lose Chip right at the start of the show. Whoa.
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He's in shock.
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And welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That frozen guy over there is Chip Patterson. He's Bud Elliott.
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I'm Tom Fornelli.
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And yeah, Bud, that was a, a pretty interesting day of football.
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I think.
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I, I, I want to go to. Oh, well, now Chip's moving. But no. So, yeah, what'd you think of today? Let's just wrap it all up in five minutes before Chip gets back.
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Honestly, I, I was like froz this day, Tom. It was incredible. I just, I never wanted it to end. Man. Honestly, I just feel like this sport is. Is awesome and very, in a way even. I mean, you go from, you know, Friday night, my Knowles lose to Virginia to tonight, that same team that lost to Florida State by 14 and probably could have been more goes on the road to Athens and wins. You see an all time awesome defensive game in Happy Valley that ends up, you know, being a higher scoring because you went to double overtime. Like hitting was off the charts in that. I, I was, man, I was impressed. Like, this was a really awesome day and a great showcase for our sport.
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Yeah, it was. I mean, like, it's weird. Like there's always the hype when you go into a week like this where like there's the two top matchups, especially, you know, at the end of the week, and there's also big games throughout, you know, like four matchups between ranked teams and usually you get a dud or two. It's like, we didn't get any duds. We had a ton of exciting games. We had plenty of comebacks. Like you mentioned, like, TCU was up 17 to nothing on Friday night. They blew it. It just, it's. You saw the same stuff. Like Oregon looked like they were going to blow it in the fourth quarter. Like I texted you guys, I said in the COVID 3i. Because Danny had sent the poll out early in the day that said, you know, which game are you guys going to have the volume on? Georgia, Alabama or Penn State? Oregon. And I had it on Penn State, Oregon.
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I set the Texas said, all right.
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I'm switching to Alabama and Georgia because this Penn State Oregon game's over. And then immediately Drew Allard drops a dime to cut it to one score. They get the stop, they get the ball back and they march down the field tight. Hey, Chip, are you not with us?
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I kid you not. The power popped.
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The power popped.
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Yeah.
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All right, let's play our favorite game. Weston Renaissance or Marriott?
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Weston, baby.
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Okay.
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All right, you know how it goes. We got cruise ship Chip in the house. Yeah, we're at the Weston. The. The mere air conditioning cutting on is. Is it gonna pop the power.
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Telling you, man, up until Halloween, the Weston at the beach is the same price on the corporate card or on the corporate rate as the west next to the office.
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Well, listen, nobody wants to hear it, but the call time was 8:00am so, you know, like we were going to be as close to the office as possible. But hey, hey, hey. Good to be with you on a good day. All right. So Tom, you were just talking about what game you had the sound on. Did you switch the sound back?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Because. Because you needed to hear. You needed to hear all of the sounds that were coming from Happy Valley, including the shocking, stunning silence after the interception that ended the game. So how. How did you enjoy the roller coaster ride of Drew Aller on this year Saturday night?
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I, you know, I got a lot of heat for just kind of being emotional and going off the dome and having a reaction last week about Drew or about Dylan Raiola. So I'm gonna try to approach that question with calmness and an even tone and say that Drew Aller made a spectacular throw for the first touchdown. It might have legitimately been the best throw he's ever made in his career. But Drew Aller is Drew Aller at this point, and I. I think we really kind of need to stop pretending he's anything else, because you look at it, he finished the game 14, 25, 137 yards, two touchdowns, the interception. Now, the interception, I don't think was a bad throw. I mean, I haven't seen the all 22 angle of it, but from the television broadcast, I don't think it was a bad decision to make the throw. I think it was just a great play by Dillon Thienman to leap up and make that interception. You know, like maybe he. Maybe most guys can break that up, but very few guys, I think, are picking that off. So I think that was just a great play on the defense's part. But you see on the stats there, like, Devonte Ross had that large, that long touchdown pass, but outside of that, it was another game in which Penn State is playing a good team and they cannot get the receivers involved in the passing game at all. It was all Dinkins and Singleton, the running backs and the tight ends, and it wasn't until it was probably a little too late, although they forced overtime for really to get, you know, to get the receivers involved. And it's just the same thing we've seen a thousand times now with Drew Aller and Penn State in these games. He's not. He's not up to the level that they need him to be if they're going to win these games and to compete for a national title. He might get him back to the Big Ten championship, he might get him back to the College Football Playoff, and they might win a game or two again, but they're not going to get past the semis and it's, It's. I don't think he's bad. I just think that he is who he is. He's, he's better than most, but he's not good enough for Penn State for what they want to do.
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Yeah, I, I don't feel like he played terribly tonight, but he didn't really elevate them for the most part. I, I, the touchdown throw was a great throw. He made a couple other throws I thought were really nice, honestly, like the, the one where he's like, slipping down, trying to avoid, avoid the pass rush and like zips it out there was pretty good. He took some shots and hung in there. I just, it didn't seem like he was like, really quick with, with seeing it, you know, and that, that's, that's kind of been obviously like he clearly didn't see, you know, Thienaman or, or I assume he didn't see him. Right. That's a hell of a play by Dylan. But, like, ultimately, yeah, I just felt like he didn't elevate them throughout the game. Now in the fourth quarter, dude was pretty nails, honestly, and seemed to have a real command of the offense. It felt like they, when they had to have it, they, they kept stepping up until obviously overtime and they had to have it there and they, they did not step up. Those look like two really good football teams. Honestly, if the refs didn't allow, like, a lot of holding on both sides, we might have like a 00 game.
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Shout out to the refs for getting us some points.
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NBC is like, very thankful, very thankful given, you know, what some of the numbers have been so far that like, the refs were like, yeah, we're, we're gonna allow some holding here, guys, because that, that could have been three, three for eternity. Just with how good the pass rush was and how, you know, at times some of the past protection was from both sides without holding. That was, that was a good defensive game. That ended 3024 because it went to double overtime.
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Right to. Because we are a podcast of accountability. We doubted or at least considered whether or not Penn State would be able to flip the switch. Do you think that you saw from Penn State a performance that was, you know, worthy of saying that they could flip a switch, that they came out of the bye week with a level that you wanted to see from a team that is trying to win a national championship?
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Not offensively, not until the fourth quarter like this stat was. And they include the overtime in this? I believe so it might be changed at this point, but, oh, no, no, they didn't. Through three quarters, Penn State had 109 yards of offense. They had 69 at halftime.
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Nice quarter.
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They had 142. Thank you, Chip. I just, it's. It was, they got to overtime and kudos to them for the comeback because I, I like I said I'd written them off and they came all the way back and so that was awesome. It was great to see and I thought they were, you know, if, if they pulled out that win with that comeback in the fourth quarter, I think the entire narrative about Penn State is flipped on its head forever. But they didn't. And the offense did nothing for three quarters and it put them in that hole. And that defense was phenomenal. They did a great job on defense, but the offense just didn't do its part and it cost them and we've seen it too many times. Penn State's defense plays great. Like what last year they held Ohio state to what, 14 points?
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I think it was, it was 20. But you, yeah, you're right, yeah, but.
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It was like a low scoring single digit game the entire time. I think they even had the pick six on Will Howard for their points on to get for Penn State and the offense just never did anything to help. So no, I, I don't think they flipped a switch. I think Penn State's offense is just Penn State's offense. It's not very good.
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Agree. As far as flipping the switch, a couple things that they sort of like hid devonte Ross, you know, it didn't use him a lot so far this season. Tonight though, like they broke him out. Obviously he had the two scores looked pretty good. There were some things I like from this Penn State offense. Obviously not enough. Like you know, you have those backs, you have a very veteran offensive line. In some ways I would almost take, you know, more issue with that man than alert. I don't think Alert played great. I don't think he played terribly to be honest. Like were there, I don't think there were a whole lot of throws that he just flat out missed when I was watching it. But like they were not getting a lot of push in the run game and you know, all off season we heard hey, this is the best Penn State line, you know, we've had in quite a long time. You have Singleton, right? You, you have, you know, K Tron Allen and just didn't like they didn't go nuts those guys. Singleton, Allen combined for 75 yards on 23 carries.
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Yeah.
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Coming into the game going 1425 for buck 37.
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I think coming into the game, Nick Singleton was at 4.4 yards per carry tonight, he was 11 for 21. He helped out in the passing game, but I don't know what's going on there. He's just not been good. But I feel like we should probably turn our attention to Oregon team that actually won the football game. Yeah.
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Oh, oh, you mean the team that might be the best team in the country.
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Might be.
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Yeah.
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We'll get to tomorrow's top. We'll get to tomorrow's top 25 today. A little bit later on in the show in terms of where Oregon will fall after a dramatic win on the road at Penn State. I just, I, I, I shared with me, I could tell, I mean, obviously, you know, Dan's a big fan of the COVID 3 podcast. So Dan, congratulations. You know, I know you're obviously watching right now in the locker room.
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Throat slash was a little premature though, bro.
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But no, it's the thing about the cuts, right? Yeah. Like he, he said it to the, the team's radio broadcast going into halftime, right? He said, and it's very obvious that that's the message that he had for his team and that he then brought to the post game when he was talking on NBC and that he's probably talking about right now at the postgame press conference. But like, he was so right that when you're playing Penn State in Happy Valley, it's like you are going to have to just take a little bit and a little bit and a little bit and then you might pop one and then you might get the plays that you need. Now, granted, they definitely started to get it a little bit earlier and then finally ended up getting it again in double overtime. But what, what stood out to you the most about what the Ducks were able to do here?
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I mean, Decoran Moore had more receiving yards and more catches than the two Penn State transfers they took. Who we heard a lot about, right? Hudson and Pena. Pena had two catches for 16. Hudson at 0 for 0. So I like, to me, he was a huge. How many first down catches did he have? 10 targets, 7 catches, 89 yards long of 29. I mean, like repeatedly getting himself open, moving the chains like he was a dude.
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But you know what I loved?
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What?
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The empty. Not empty, but when Oregon gets the ball back, they've got what, like 26 seconds left. It's, you know, less than 30 seconds. You just like, okay, we, we'll take one sort of see what happens. And what was the. See what happens. We're going to put three wide receivers out on the perimeter, give it a decorian Moore and just see if the like the most athletic skill position player that we have can make something amazing happen. Because we trust him, A, as a true freshman not to screw this up and like turn this into something horrific. And B, he's also the player with the highest athletic ceiling to do something incredible. Nothing happened. He ends up getting wrapped up. The games goes to overtime. But I think that speaks to the same thing that Dan told us back in July. That like this is somebody who has exhibited a workman like mentality and like earned the trust of the coaching staff and the team. Just not surprised at all that he was one of the biggest stars here today for Oregon's offense.
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Yeah, I think like looking at this, Decorian played really well. You know, Dante Moore the moment, like he played pretty well. Like, like I don't know if he was like a superstar in this game, but he certainly didn't wilt under the pressure. And I thought Oregon was the more physical team like on both sides line of scrimmage.
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What I was, I was impressed with from Oregon's offense is that, you know, really difficult environment. They had two false starts in the game and you see a lot of times with like inexperienced quarterbacks. And again they've also got what, four new players on their offensive line going into this environment and they've been at home. I mean I get what did they play? Oregon State on the road? I don't know if I count that.
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But anyway that one was a, I think that one was in Eugene.
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But either way, like in that environment you typically would you expect to see a lot of pre snap mistakes, false darts, all that kind of stuff and they avoided it. I think the quarterback deserves a lot of credit for that. I think the offensive line deserves a lot of credit for that. And I just think that more, you know, he is inexperienced as far as maybe overall game time, but he's been around for a few years. He did have one season of starter at ucla. Like he's not a veteran but he's, he showed veteran poise. You know, he's so I thought he played well. I do think that, you know, there are times when he gets pressured. He kind of just does a fade away jumper with his throw that could probably get him into trouble. But he, he got away with it. And I think, I think Moore was the better court. I think Moore showed me more tonight in one big huge game than Drew Aller has shown me in like 10 huge games to this point in his career. And I think that you look at it too like Bud, you mentioned the receivers. I also think Oregon just has more dudes on offense than Penn State does. Yeah, like Deer Hill. I know Dan Lanning is saying that. Yeah, he's like saying we're gonna go running back by committee and ride the hot hand. I don't know if you need to. I feel like what I saw from Dariel tonight suggests that he's probably your featured guy and then you could spell him with Whittington and more and those other guys. I thought Gary Bryant Jr. Had a big game. Kenyan Sadiq's Kenyan Sadiq. There's just dudes on this offense. They've got multiple options and it feels like when they're in tight spots, you don't really know what direction they're going to go because they could go a number of different ways and it works for them. And defensively they did a good job. They shut down the run game, they took away those receivers. They did everything they could to fluster Drew Aller. Like Penn State, their defensive lineman got held all damn night, but they still got two sacks and they still got five tackles for loss. Penn State only had one. So, yeah, they were just the better football team and they went on the road into a really difficult environment and they won a game, although they almost blew it. But they didn't. They won.
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Shout out to Will Stein too. I mean, Jim Knowles is a hell of a D.C. and I thought Stein called a great game to get that many young guys on offense and that many new pieces ready to go into an environment like that. And like they ran a lot of scheme that's not easy to do with all, with all those young guys like, like that. That's, you know, I, I don't know if Penn State anticipated them running all that. They ran. Like, there was a lot of creative stuff in there. I was really impressed by. You're just like how much you're able to get into that playbook. Well, in the playbook, but also like get into the brains of your. Of your young players. Like, that was huge.
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Do you think that. Do you think that there was a moment here? You mentioned the, the defense and the lines of scrimmage. I did think Penn State's offensive line, I wanted to give them credit. As the game went on and Penn State needed to get those first downs and needed to keep the ball moving at first. Felt like they were getting a good push and maybe there's just, you know, you can only expect. But so much. I thought I saw a big number one out there. I know Bear wasn't making like a million plays, but he was on, he was on the field for super significant snaps and being a part of helping a winning effort. You know, we, we mentioned him again going into it. I, I just, I think that there's, I think that there is a way that Oregon can win football games. I think that at the lines of scrimmage, they are, they are good. They are good enough because of everything else that they have because of their, like their running backs and their wide receivers, their tight ends, because of their linebackers, their edge rushers. I think they are good enough to be able to even. Because, look, Penn State might be one of the most physical lines of scrimmage team they play all year. Right?
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Yeah, for sure.
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So in that environment, too, I mean, it's just, it's a, It's a good football team and, and congrats, Daniel. You're obviously jacked up. I saw somebody, somebody mentioned, you know, like, if, if your head coach isn't a little bit of a psychopath, are you ever going to win anything? Oh, no.
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Running down the list of recent champions.
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No, no. Some serious broken brains.
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If you're an ad, that should be the first thing you look for when interviewing the guys.
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It's like one guy had a bunch of psychopaths playing for him.
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Okay.
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Like, this guy would kill me. Okay.
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Yeah. So again, we'll, we'll do the rankings reaction coming up in just a little bit. Anything else from Happy Valley here in the immediate? Again, like, the game just ended. We're going to go back. We'll be getting our reviews. A lot more to come on Monday, I'm sure. But, but what else. Anything else stand out from this game that we want to make sure we get on the record on a busy, busy Saturday night?
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I, I thought Hill just ran smart, too, like, with.
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Yeah.
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At a time in which, like, you could be impatient because, like, the moment is so big. I thought he had, like, he wasn't slow to it, but, but he, he had like, the right amount of tempo on his runs to figure out where those creases were going to be. It was, it was pretty impressive. That's a good.
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Yeah, it's a very good football team. All right, well, I see a lot of. A lot of. A lot of Kirby smart commentary in the tailgate earlier. Yeah, I know. That's interesting. So let's address that. And coming up on the other side, Alabama goes into Athens and gets a huge win for the Crimson Tide. What it means for both teams, what we learned and more next.
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I think Bama won it by totally just pantsing the Georgia defensive coaching staff in the first half.
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Again.
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That'S two years in a row where, I mean, Deborah just whips Georgia in the first half on the chalkboard, like, they look totally confused by what deboer had for him. And to Georgia's credit, they make great adjustments. They did have a chance to come back in the second half and. And at least tie or win this thing. But, like, those 24. 24 points you scored in the first half, that was all you needed. Like, in hindsight, they threw the knockout blow before. Before the half ended. That's two years in a row.
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Tough loss for the Over. Tough loss for the Unity.
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Yeah.
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Trader.
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I know the Trader won because Ryan Williams can't catch. And who dropped the touchdown for Georgia. There's two drop touchdowns in this damn game. We lost the over by seven and a half points.
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As.
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As Aaron Tippen once saying, you got to stand for something or fall for anything. And over and over again, Georgia just keeps falling for Kaylin Deborah's tricks in the first half, guys.
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All right, so if we're ranking quarterbacks, what's the lowest you're ranking? Ty Hempson 1.
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Oh. In the SEC.
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Just overall.
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Like, just based off this.
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Game, like, he can't be worse than top five at this point.
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No, no, absolutely not.
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I mean, because he's. He's been. He did not play great in the Florida State game, but he's been absolutely incredible since he.
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Well, we talked about this about fsu. Like, he knew where to go with the ball. It just seemed like he was a second late to get to it, you know, and tonight the moment was not too big. I thought at times in Tallahassee, it was. That's not saying, like, you know, just first, like, first real road start for the guy. Does his crow hop into these throws. Like, dude, you have a lot of time. To me, like, that kind of was a big, big middle finger to Georgia. Honestly, like, I'm gonna have time to, like, crow hop into Some of these throws and just like throw it through your chest and it's, it's just what we saw against Tennessee. Georgia doesn't have difference makers on the edge this year. Pass rushing. They don't like.
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Well, also like let's give some credit to Alabama's offensive line that, you know, we were kind of looking at and calling into question. I mean, I think Kaden Proctor heard that look like Tarzan play like Jane conversation and was like, give me the ball. I'm gonna take this thing. Right. You know, like I will show you exactly what Tarzan looks like.
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370. Like we want to see you do something. He did it. That was great.
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Would Kaden Proctor be the best wide receiver in Iowa right now?
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Yes.
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Would Kaden Proctor be the best receiver? Just kidding. But no.
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I mean I just, I think that there's, there's just something that, I mean the, the real maturity. Unfortunately, because of the scars of last season, for Alabama fans, the real test of maturity is going to be how you handle it. But man, what a showing for them to come in and be able to carry that attitude because when they did it to Georgia last year, we, we didn't really have any reason to doubt them. But it was kind of a, oh, wow, like look at what you were able to do in this like epic back and forth. Maybe Kaylin DeBoer's really got it. But you know, then after having to deal with the if I win the lottery, I'm gonna buy out Kaylin DeBoer and you know, like all of these, all this negativity that was surrounding the program after losing as a double digit favorite time after time after time, man, I, I really enjoyed getting the, get, getting that Ty Simpson firing up the team before they run onto the field. You know, Ty Simpson is the leader of this team. Somebody who definitely could have hit the transfer portal multiple times after losing the starting quarterback battle to Jalen Milroe. And so Tom, to bring it back to what you were saying, like he has waited for this moment and all he has done is answer it. And now, yeah, he's one of the five best quarterbacks in the entire country and maybe gonna be in the running for a lot of individual accolades at the very highest level we mentioned in the big game breakdown. I'm pretty sure that this could be the Ty Simpson breakout game. I mean, would you say that this is the Ty Simpson breakout game?
- [28:47]
C
I would hope so. I mean, 276 yards, two touchdowns, not eye popping numbers, but he was just making plays and we saw like this. And if Ryan Williams catches that one pass, he's probably, what, 300, 303 touchdowns?
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A
Yeah.
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C
So, I mean, yeah, he played very well. He looked really good. And this was, you know, you go to Alabama's run game, it did not really play very well in this one. I mean, the throw to Kaden Proctor counted as a run because it was backwards pass. But if we take that out. No, it's just overall, they still only average 3 yards per carry and they had to really put the game on Simpson's shoulders to move the ball. And in the second half, things got bogged down quite a bit because, like, but was mentioning Georgia did the thing they do where they adjust in the second half. They should probably consider trying to figure things out before games start going forward. But whatever, they've won national titles. I haven't. I'll leave that to them. But I just think that overall, like, he played very well. I think the receivers, we've talked about them, they have very good ones. And I think they have more than one option. They've got two, three, four different options. And I think that is going to help them going forward in the sec. But at the same time, we've also saw last year Alabama beat Georgia and then it lost to Oklahoma and Vanderbilt. So they can't do the thing they did last year where they like, all right, we won the big game, we can relax. You have to keep up that intensity every week. And I will see if they can. I think they could because I think part of the reason is with Jalen Milroe at quarterback, I think you're more prone to the offense stalling out because the passing game just might not be there. And if they know you're going to run, it's much easier to stop the run. With Ty Simpson, I don't think that'll be the case. I think Georgia's offense has a higher floor than it did last year, if maybe not the same ceiling as it may be. You know, a Jaylen Milro offense has. So I do think this team will be more immune to that. But we'll see.
- [30:40]
B
There's. They still give up 227 rushing. FSU ran all over them. Like, there's no actual evidence that Alabama can be a good run defense so far under Kalin or under Womack, rather like the coordinator. And there's really no evidence they can handle a mobile quarterback. Like, so far we just. I'm not saying they cannot, but, like, to this point, Bama has what, 17 games under Deborah now? They haven't shown 00 proof they can handle any that kind of stuff. So like next week against Vandy is a real test.
- [31:12]
A
All right.
- [31:13]
B
They'll be underdogs. Not saying Vandy will win, but like we do kind of have to see that like to believe it at this point because they've been flat out bad against that kind of stuff. Under Womack.
- [31:22]
C
Yeah. Georgia popped for runs of 24, 29, 43, 43 and 21 in this game.
- [31:27]
A
And why'd they give the ball to Cash Jones?
- [31:31]
C
I don't know, man. Bobo, you're not gonna give it the.
- [31:33]
B
Fraser because he fumbles all the time. Like if, you know.
- [31:35]
A
But Bowens was good, right? You've got somebody who's like bigger and I mean he's LT Overton. He's going to go play in the NFL. That's like, you know the fact that he was able to shed a blocker, get into the backfield and disrupt him enough to trip him up. I get it. Like that's that, that you in the sense you tip your cap. But if, if you wanted to be, if a Georgia fan is listening right now and was thinking the same thing, like why, why is he getting the call on that big play right there? I would understand and maybe ask the same question.
- [32:08]
B
You know, like I, I just from watching Georgia fans in the chat tonight in our tailgate, like I think they wanted them to go for it or to kick the field goal rather. And I'm like, no, I think going's the right call, man. Just maybe, maybe run a different play also. Like how about the three now they have right after, right after the, the.
- [32:27]
A
Stop they get oh like failed, failed fourth down, but you get a stop and then the next possession was horrendous. That's where the game was lost.
- [32:36]
B
Wide open, touchdown pass dropped.
- [32:38]
C
Okay.
- [32:39]
B
And then you like miscommunicate on a third and nine and that's the ball game. Like I, you know, Jordan Bama's got a for sure draft pick a quarterback. Georgia's got a maybe draft pick a quarterback. Right? That's kind of how I look at this. Like they don't have a dude a qb. I'm not saying Stockton sucks. I think that's hyperbole. I just, I don't think he's like a huge difference maker for you so far in his career. But I think you can win with him. I definitely went with Simpson if he's gonna throw the ball on time because like the ball is accurate. He's got real velocity on it seems he Seems to know where he's going with it. If it's on time like it was tonight, he's pretty good.
- [33:18]
A
Who's the best team in the SEC right now?
- [33:21]
C
I don't know. It's Alabama, probably, but that could change next week. I mean, it might be Ole Miss.
- [33:29]
A
Might be Vanderbilt, might be.
- [33:33]
B
I don't think it's Ole Miss, but.
- [33:35]
C
You know, they're 3. 0 in the SEC. We keep not thinking and they keep winning.
- [33:40]
B
That's true.
- [33:43]
A
Before we get there, before we get to both. Well, they're over by October. That's what's really important here. As we called as it was deemed Vanderbilt over by October. Any there is, it cuts both ways. Right. Because on one hand, I understand the. The comment and I agree that the stakes have been lessened by the expanded playoff for a game like Alabama, Georgia. You know, like, I was on college football pre game today with an Alabama grad and a Georgia grad, and even they were talking to each other like, it feels like this is. This game isn't even happening tonight. You know, just. Just like a. Another game. And, and compared to the pageantry and the hype that both of them experienced during their respective college experiences, they were sort of lamenting that. But at the same time as we have to sit here and, you know, break this thing down, do you know what else I'm feeling? I'm like, man, I'm. I'm really excited to see the rest of the season because both of these teams are still in it. I'm not ready to sell Alabama or Georgia in terms of trying to accomplish all of their goals, because I think both of these teams are capable of winning an SEC championship. I think both these teams are capable of making the College Football Playoff. So there is a. There is a little bit less of the stakes going into a game, but coming out of it, I. I think it's perfectly fine to be able to not have to overreact and say, Georgia's done. Yeah. You know, unless you want to. That would make a great week. That's. That's engagement farming right there.
- [35:19]
C
George is done.
- [35:20]
A
There we go. Tom, I can always count on you.
- [35:23]
B
They still have a pretty winnable schedule, right? Like George 100.
- [35:26]
C
Okay.
- [35:27]
B
Yeah. Like you get.
- [35:33]
A
But real quick, when they ran onto the field last night, not when they ran onto the field tonight, they were introduced in the stadium as the defending SEC champions. And you almost, almost have to remember, it's like, oh, yeah, they won this league last year. Right.
- [35:48]
B
They have a couple fairly easy weeks here. Coming up. So you get what, Kentucky, you get Auburn and then you host Ole Miss. Yeah. So you're about to face two really bad quarterbacks in a row and then you get Ole Miss. I mean, I think you'll be okay.
- [36:07]
A
Yeah, I, and I do. I still think like real quick on like sort of my, my mental checklist. Bud's boy Colby Young not only just like, continues to be really, really good, but also just kind of seems to be a, like a good sideline guy, you know, I mean, George was losing offensive lineman left and right and he's like going in and like checking on them and helping them up and like hyping up the freshman who's having to come into the game and take on this big opportunity in a big stage. I know he, I know he had some incidents that kept him from being able to be on the field, but he does seem to be someone who is, you know, get. Bringing something to the team on the sideline in addition to his contributions on the field. Mentioned the Cash Jones thing. I thought Bowens was awesome. Alabama side didn't see much from Jam Miller. I know he was back, but I didn't really feel like his impact was there.
- [37:00]
B
I mean, he, he didn't pop one. I, I think, like, based on how much they fed him the ball that they thought he would, you know, they, he did have what, two first downs? Catching it, by the way, on, on the play that Bami uses to seal it. They have two guys wide open. Like, Georgia didn't cover it short or deep, but other than that, they had, they had it pretty well taken care of.
- [37:23]
A
Isaiah Horton had a good game.
- [37:25]
B
Yeah.
- [37:25]
C
Heard a who.
- [37:26]
B
That's a nice, that's a nice transfer pickup.
- [37:29]
A
Yep. Absolutely.
- [37:30]
B
Sure.
- [37:31]
A
Okay.
- [37:33]
B
Also, like, we could say this, this diminishes the, like the, the meaning of the game. It did not diminish my enjoyment of the game. Like, that was an awesome game to watch.
- [37:45]
A
Yeah. I mean, I guess meaning is correct. Like I can't push back on meaning, but it diminishes the stakes.
- [37:52]
B
Sure.
- [37:53]
A
Because it still means a lot to a lot of people there. There are still a lot of Alabama fans and a lot of Georgia fans who feel a lot of meaning tonight and felt a lot of emotions even if their season wasn't on the line the same way it was in the BCS or the four team era. It still meant something.
- [38:10]
B
It's real to me.
- [38:11]
A
Damn it. Ole Miss gets the win against lsu. Hey, so is it lsu? This kind of feels like an LSU story. Am I Wrong.
- [38:31]
B
No, I. I think it's both. I thought Ole Miss handled a lot of the pressure package from LSU very well tonight. Ultimately, like, they started out poorly on the first two tribes, and then, oh, three and out.
- [38:41]
A
Three and out. You're like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be problematic.
- [38:44]
B
They adjusted to it. Well, they probably also realized, okay, LSU's offense is, is a disaster right now. I guess LSU's right tackle got hurt in warm ups. Do you guys see that?
- [38:56]
C
No, he didn't.
- [38:57]
B
Yeah, he didn't play like he. He got hurt. So we. We knew they were already a little bit thin going in. The run game continued to be, like, completely mia. I. I know there's people out there that think they just need to run the ball more. I think they're terrible at it. In no way do I want to see LSU run the ball more, just letting us. Meyer try to chuck it around like that. I've seen enough of that. They're not good at running the ball.
- [39:19]
A
So.
- [39:21]
B
LSU appears to have really hit on the transfers that it took on defense. I cannot say the same for the transfers it took on the offensive line. And that was the. One of the two major questions we had about this team coming into the season. Like, you lost four guys to the NFL. How would you replace that? We can conclusively say they have failed to do so. Like, they do not have an offensive line. It's functional right now.
- [39:48]
C
I think if. If LSU chooses to be in second and 10, they should definitely run on first down a lot more than they have been. But, I mean, like, the offense stinks. It's dunk all year. Like, yeah, Nussmeyer has not played well. Do we want to put that on him? Do we want to put it on the line? I don't care at this point. He's not playing well either way. I think that. I mean, there were times and I didn't know about the. I had this game muted like, it was on the TV without sound. So I didn't know about the right tackle, but there were times I'm watching this game and Ole Miss is rushing three against five or six guys, and they are getting home. Like, they're getting pressure on Nussmeier and they're forcing him into throws or they were getting a sack. And that's just. You're supposed to be an SEC offensive line. You can't block three with five. Like, what are you even doing? So, no, the offense stinks. The defense did its part again, but it broke. It cracked at the end because they're kind of just being worn down and Ole Miss just, I mean, again, it's, it's, it's a weird team trying to figure out this Ole Miss because they haven't looked. At no point has Ole Miss looked to me to be great. But they tend to look good more often than they look bad. And so far that's working. Like Trinidad Chambliss today was, you know, I mean, maybe, maybe Danny bought a little high. Maybe, you know, we'll see, we'll see how he feels on Monday or Wednesday. But he was 23 or 39 for 314. So it's like you watch him play and then you see the stat line at the end. You're like, wow, we finished with 300 yards. When the hell did that happen? But then you see, you know, how many incompletions he had. The run game was not that exciting. It wasn't that effective. Nobody really stood out and balled out on the receiving game, but they still finished with almost 500 yards and one.
- [41:37]
B
I want to give Ole Miss some flowers though, for this. When they had to have the run game Lacey to seal it, they did. They ran. It was pretty like that. That was, that part was really impressive to me. I mean, that you could tell me ole Ms. Or LSU's kind of selling out for it and probably not having great gap discipline, but that, that's really kind of any end of game situation. Right? Like they're going to sell out and you, you have to find a way to take advantage of that aggressiveness. I thought Ole Miss did a really nice job of that. They, they look good, you know, like they do. I, I do think if you played LSU season in reverse order, okay. Like if you had opened the year losing like this to Ole Miss and then your offense in. In wins, but looked like they did against Florida, it looked like against Clemson and Louisiana Tech where you scored 23 points, people would be like driving a U haul to the OC's house like this. This is at LSU. You can't score 19, 20, 23 and 17 against teams that like, Florida's probably not going to a bowl. Clemson might.
- [42:48]
A
But I, I know that 39 minutes in is too early to get recklessly disrespectful here. But offensively, and let me just say offensively, LSU and Clemson have the same offensive issues.
- [43:03]
C
Yeah.
- [43:04]
A
What we saw in the season opener was not two awesome teams having a defensive battle. It was two, two very problematic offenses that were struggling to move the ball against. And like, look, Clemson's defense Has its own issues too. I don't want to do like, I don't want to compare those sides. But the inability to run the football, the offensive line struggles. A quarterback with talent who just for, you know, Cade's reasons, probably more performance like Garrett may be a little bit more supporting cast slash health. But they both have talented wide receivers and yet the offense is just stuck in the mud. Death Valley. Death Valley. Tigers. Tigers. Stinky O. Stinky O. LSU is Clemson.
- [43:47]
B
Ole Miss going to the playoffs.
- [43:49]
A
Because the schedule. I mean, although. But here's the problem, Bud. You. You could have said that last year and then they screwed the pooch against Kentucky and Florida and now they're playing the exact same schedule.
- [44:00]
B
That's fair. Certainly.
- [44:02]
A
So you're. You're like, okay, like do. Are they trustworthy right now? Because I'm not ready to walk out of 2419 against LSU, a game that I do. And like, I agree with you, Bud. They held the ball for the final five minutes of the game. That was awesome. Like, that was winning football. They could have probably won that game by more. But at the same time, I don't know if I trust them to be able to get a win in back to backs against Georgia and Oklahoma or maybe not to have a screw the.
- [44:31]
B
Well, like does 10 and 2 get them in? I think probably shouldn't given who's on this schedule, but it might.
- [44:37]
A
I'm not giving them an Egg bowl win.
- [44:39]
C
That's what I'm saying. You want my official prediction? They lose to Georgia and Oklahoma. They're 9 and 2 going into the Egg bowl and they lose and get knocked out of the playoffs by Mississippi State. Ren, it's Mississippi State doesn't stink with.
- [45:00]
B
With how close everybody is in this sport. Sure. Look, we. We just spent five minutes talking about how LSU's offense is a disaster and you won by five. Yeah, everybody sports really close.
- [45:10]
C
And my thought process is too, like, they. The only game they've played on the road, they struggled. It was against Kentucky. And like they're playing Georgia on the road. They're playing Oklahoma on the road. They're playing State on the road. Like when they're on the road, they're not nearly as good based on what we've seen. So.
- [45:28]
A
I think. I think there's a very. There's an indicator at least right now that probably has more to do with the fact that Lane Kiffin doesn't have a super experienced quarterback like he did last year. But on the broadcast they mentioned and I guess, I mean, you could look it up as well. Ole Miss doesn't go for it on fourth down like they used to.
- [45:52]
C
No, because he's got, he's got a Vibes quarterback is more than. He's got a guy with command of the offense. Yeah, I just, that's not an insult.
- [46:00]
A
No, by. Hey, listen, Trinidad's Vibes. Trinidad's Vibes get you a lot of first downs. So, like, Trinidad's vibes get you first downs on third down so you don't have to do the fourth down call. But it has not been the, it has not been like, oh, look at Lane go riverboat Lane. Look at him. He's. He's Mr. Analytics now. It's like. No, he's. This is, this has been a little bit of a, A little bit of a reversal in terms of the way he handles business, but it's a very, it's very good football team. It's a very good SEC football team. I'm, I don't, I don't know if I'm going to take ls. I'm not. I don't know if I'm gonna take Ole Miss in a power ranking against either the two SEC teams we saw in the primetime slate, but I am, I was very, very impressed with the way they finished the game today against lsu.
- [46:49]
C
Stop with the dumb penalties and the game wouldn't have been close.
- [46:52]
A
The whole. Dude, there was a lot of dumb penalties today. Mississippi State, Tennessee was a flag fest. Ole Miss, LSU was a flag fest. I mean, it was, it must be just that time of year. You're starting to get a little tired. Competition's getting better. You're just kind of losing focus a little.
- [47:10]
C
Something's getting bored.
- [47:12]
A
Some teams need a bye week on.
- [47:14]
B
The pile, like, way, like just leaping onto the pile way late. Which I get why they call it. I don't know that I want, I want that called, but, you know.
- [47:25]
C
Just, it's.
- [47:26]
B
I was happy to see the no targeting call in, In Oregon.
- [47:29]
C
Yeah, I, I, I, I relate to it because it just looks like it's fun to do.
- [47:36]
A
Jumping on the pile.
- [47:37]
C
Jumping on the pile. It just looks like it's a ton of. It's like jumping into a pile of leaves.
- [47:44]
A
Go ahead, bud.
- [47:45]
B
No, I said I would need a trampoline to jump like, that high over a bunch of like six for five guys.
- [47:51]
C
It looks like it'd be fun to fall on to the pile.
- [47:55]
B
Yes.
- [47:58]
A
All right. While we're sort of in this pocket right now, Vanderbilt is going to go to Tuscaloosa with a 5, 0 record. It's the first time since 2008 that the Vanderbilt Commodores are 5 0. And while Broncos big beefy boys did come through and get themselves a cover, it was a game where they, Utah State threw some punches early. And not only did Vanderbilt respond, Vanderbilt brought their ass kicking shoes and put them on at some point in this game. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Touchdowns for Diego Pavia. I mean, Tom probably could have pulled Diego Pavia earlier, but you got to give him one more touchdown, right?
- [48:50]
C
I was trying. I was trying. I needed Broncos boys to get that cover. But no, this was, I mean, Danny's not like, messing around, man.
- [49:00]
A
That's the thing is, like, they're good. Good.
- [49:04]
C
They want Diego Pavia in New York.
- [49:06]
A
This is, this is, this is a problem. I don't think enough people realize this isn't cute. Nothing about this is cute. They are, hey, this is a white collar school with a blue collar attitude. They're kicking ass right now.
- [49:20]
B
They got a little more to them this year.
- [49:22]
A
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
- [49:24]
C
Yeah.
- [49:24]
A
It's not trickeration, right? Like, it's not like, oh, look at us, we're so crafty. Like, you never know where the ball is going. Like, it's, There's a lot, like, whether it's the downfield pass, whether it's tempo, like, I mean, we've been like, noticing things along the way. They're like, okay, this is, this is sort of a new level that's been unlocked this year with this team.
- [49:43]
C
I think these nerds are doing the smart thing though, because if you look at how Indiana did it last year, like, they know, they're Vanderbilt. They know that there is a perception that they absolutely have to overcome. Like, even as good as they've played so far this year, they're still only 18th. If they were an SEC team with the same resume, but they were, you know, like Ole Miss, they'd be top 10. But they kind of know that we sit and think, like, okay, Utah State, they've got Alabama next week. They could just afford to, like, you know, just get in there, get the lead and sit, sit and rest in the second half. It's like, no, we gotta put up 50 plus because all of our wins. They need to look really, really impressive even against the lesser competition, because it's the only way we're gonna get any respect from the committee. So I, I understand why they're doing it, and I think it's probably the right thing. It's just now they're 5, 0. And this is when the real season starts for them because it's Alabama next, but then it's also lsu, it's Mizzou, it's at Texas. And like these next four games are going to decide, and I'm saying this with absolute, just sincerity, these next four games decide if Vanderbilt's playoff team or not. And we have to consider them in that conversation with the way they've played in the start that they're off to and the conference that they're in. Because if they do, if they split these games and they go into Auburn, Kentucky and then at Tennessee at what, 7 and 2, they, they went out, they're probably in.
- [51:14]
B
Yeah. I mean at 10 and 2, they have a better resume than Ole Miss, right?
- [51:18]
A
Yeah.
- [51:19]
C
If they split these four games with Alabama, lsu, Mizzou and Texas, that means they're beating two of them. Yeah, those are two resume wins and they've already beaten South Carolina, which I know still, but. And then they would add a win over Tennessee at the end. How would you leave that 10 and 2 team out?
- [51:37]
B
You probably wouldn't and shouldn't. So I mean it. And the resume got a little bit better today. Like South Carolina won that they, they got that win over them on the road. You know, Va Tech won. Right. So that helps slightly.
- [51:55]
A
I, I, I am well, well, I do. I, I think that helps marginally. I'm starting to think that the fancy new strength of schedule metrics that they keep trying to do is just going to be more of engineering the top 25 to justify the top 25. That makes like a Virginia Tech win doesn't do anything. Like Virginia Tech might be one game closer to a bowl game, but the way that we talk about a resume and say, how many bowl teams did you beat? I don't think the committee is going to look at that that way. I think if, I think if you've got a bunch of wins over six and six, seven and five teams, that's not going to mean anything. I think they are going to give playoff spots to the teams that have wins against other teams inside their top 25.
- [52:42]
B
That that makes sense.
- [52:44]
A
I mean, and don't worry, Alabama's never lost to Vanderbilt in a come down spot after a big win.
- [52:50]
C
No, Never.
- [52:52]
A
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A
As we continue to roll through our recap of week five in college football. And the fireworks did get started on Friday night as a top 10 team went down. It was the Florida State Seminoles taking their first loss of the season. Coming up in a little bit, we'll talk about where we expect them to fall in the new top 25 rankings. A complicated resume for the Knowles as the team that they beat as their best win just won and yet they lost to an unranked team. Those things are going to make things a little bit complex and complicated for voters. But more on that later, bud. An early couple turnovers, early 14, zero hole, but then you end up losing in overtime. Like, is it as simple as they didn't start good, or was there anything a little bit deeper or more concerning for the Seminoles? And conversely, is Virginia and ACC championship contender because they are a, they, they are a Chandler Morris throws it to the wrong team in the end zone away from being undefeated and being one of those teams that you're kind of like poking up out of your head, out of the sand, like, wait, what, what, how good is Virginia and asking those kinds of questions.
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Yeah, so I don't think they're an academic contender, to be honest.
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No, I think, you know, you can be an ACC championship contender. I think I've decided, especially after Georgia Tech, Wake Forest earlier today and after spending too much time watching Louisville, Pitt and after what we've seen from SMU this year, I think anybody can make it to Charlotte and lose to Miami.
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But Tech is not a reliable, like, they're not a reliable favorite. Like, they're not a team that, that goes out as a 14 point favorite and covers it. Like, they just, they're, they're, they're a team that like, is really good at keeping stuff close, you know, or, or like, you know, slaying the dragon and playing that underdog role because they hold on to the ball, you know, for so long. I, I. All right, so on the FSU stuff, yeah, Like, I think the poor start certainly hurt them. Right. Like, I, I do think that like sequencing in terms of when things happen to you in a game can matter in terms of like giving the opponent belief and, you know, like their first two drives for State comes out and gets immediate stops, right. And they, they move it. If they fumble immediately on the one and then on the other one, the kid makes a great play to bat that ball up in the air and catch it on the interception. And so you're kind of like all right. It's going to be one of those kind of nights that's, that's really disappointing. You know, I thought that Morris did a really good job getting the ball out quick and being super accurate and decisive with this stuff, but that was largely what we thought they were probably going to do and you'd have to tackle well. And I thought like UVA's receivers, they fought through tackles hard, man. Like they repeatedly got from like second nine, you know, ball caught for four, drag on a defender for an extra three to get to a very manageable third. Right. Like, you know, third and six, you know, ball cop for two, drag for four, get to a fourth down you can actually make. I think they, I think they were like 11 of 15 on third and fourth down combined. And, and it largely felt that way. Right. Like the defense couldn't get off the field. They had trouble fitting some, some of the run stuff. I thought uva played really well overall. Like, that's probably about as good as uva can play. I think maybe I'm wrong on that. But like that, that's pretty much the, the game style they have to play. And they played it and played it extremely well. And I don't think Florida State played their best game and, and they're not good enough to roll out there if the other team plays really well, you know, to just, you know, walk over somebody if you don't also play well. So that to your point as far as like, you know, some of the breaks and stuff. Yeah. Like if the, if, if Wilson catches the pick six as opposed to having to hit off his hands and bounce up in the air for a 60 yard gain, then it's probably a good night. Right, because. And you're going up by what, 17?
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Yeah.
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So, you know, but that's what happens. I, I think there's certain things that are like, very discouraging defensively in that game.
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A
I was going to say my headline coming out of this is like, Florida State defense is not special and they.
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B
Probably should have scored 50. To be honest. I'm more disappointed in offense, to be frank, because I don't have super high expectations for the defense. I don't think they have very many like special high quality players in that front seven. I do think they have a lot of really good pieces on the offense and you know, coming out of there and not scoring 50 with that many opportunities, I feel like is, is disappointing actually.
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C
It was a stupid game. I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was a stupid game.
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B
Like it was entertaining.
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C
Yeah, yeah, there's not to, not to take the focus off off of the Seminoles, but in, in the heat on Bud and Danny here. But there was one tweet I got last night which really made me giggle. Came from Jim Wynn. When are we going to start talking about the son of Chad Morris leading Virginia to four in one under a former Clemson coordinator? While Dabo looks cooked.
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B
Sir.
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C
So Chad Morris was a former, for those who don't know, was a Clemson offensive coordinator. His Chandler Morris and Virginia's coach Tony Elliott is a former Clemson offensive coordinator. So I thought that was fun to amuse me.
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Yeah, no, there was a Chad Morris as a kid standing next to Taj Boyd like circa 2012 photo that was circulating as that was going down. So yeah, a lot of, lot of being able to connect some dots right there. I think that Chandler Morris is, you know, as we mentioned, one of the last Covid quarterbacks that we've got and when Chandler gets out there to scoot him running is not like your blue chip 19 year old running, you know, like his, his decision of what I see, what I can do like that those are smart decisions that are being made and that is really, really tough for a defense to account for. I thought he did an awesome job. I also think that it's important because while I, you know, we. Tom, you mentioned Virginia and the conference schedule that they got when we were talking ACC win totals breaking them down like this. It's a favorable draw. I don't think, I don't think Virginia is going to win the acc, but they are on pace with this win and this schedule to have the best season yet under Tony Elliott. As long as they're able to, you know, keep, keep track right here, which I think is going to be a really. So not. This is a nice win and what I think could be a really good season for Tony Elliott who in this past off season and we detailed this like Virginia didn't use the portal at all. They had 13 combined portal additions the previous two cycles. I mean bud, isn't it 30? I mean it is a bunch. Yeah, it's a huge number. That was a coach that was on the hot seat, backed into a corner, had to win, got the resources together, did some evaluation and then came the hard part. And the hard part is getting everybody on the same page so you can go win football games. And he and this staff have seemed to do a good job with that. Now they got to maintain that, you know, you can't, can't just feel like the Season's over. Just because every. You got your first field storm in Scott Stadium in a long time. I mean, RIP Squirrel White. Talk about a squirrel getting run over.
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C
I was legit worried about Squirrel White when I saw that. Yeah, terrified.
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I'm so grateful that Chris Budden came out and, like, said something. She. The. The. What Chris offered, I believe it was this morning. She said, number one, she said it wasn't as scary on the field as it looked on the camera. Like, the crane camera overhead, which, I mean, sure, I guess I can believe you. It definitely seems like it happens slower when you rush the field, like, when you're actually on the field than when it's looking at from overhead. But she also said that she contacted both schools, and there were no injuries for players or staff involved, so that was a good thing. But for Tony Elliott, man, like, this off season, your tenure was at a fork in the road. You made some big swings. They seem to have paid off. So that's a. You know, we. I like. I like to get flowers when we can get flowers. Seems like things are going in the right direction for the Wahoos, so those. Hope those nerds enjoyed it. Now you can go back to doing nerd stuff. I mean, dude, when I told. When. When I told multiple Florida State graduates about the grounds and first year, second year, third year, y' all know this, right? Virginia doesn't call it their campus. They call it the grounds. Yeah. And they're not freshmen, sophomores, juniors, or seniors. They're first years in second years. I mean, just nerdy behavior. Yeah. Huge. Huge nerdy behavior.
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C
Huge nerds.
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A
Yeah. Did. Go ahead.
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B
Did Kirby go, like, full dabo tonight? Kirby on his one. Kirby on his one in seven record against Alabama. What's everyone else's record? You got it. Me neither.
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C
Man's got a point. Shoot.
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What? I mean, I still maintain that the fact that his one is a national championship game is kind of a. Kind of a big haymaker right there, you know, and, like, that was the vengeance for the 2017 national championship game, too. So I. I don't know. It's. I think Kirby's probably extremely disappointed right now. Not surprised that he would. He would let one fly. I mean, it's better. But there he. He seems to have a little bit more going in his favor in terms of the product on the field, at least in my opinion. All right, where you want to go next? There's a lot. Oh, yeah.
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B
The best team in the country. Yeah. Like, for a lot of bad stuff to happen to you early in that game, you know, fumbling, fumbling on the punt return. Just a lot of crazy.
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A
Stopped getting stopped on fourth down on your very first drive, like inside choked them out.
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B
Yeah, I mean that, that was a dominant effort by Ohio State on the road against a like decent to good Washington team.
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A
Banged up though. Yeah, you know decent.
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B
Let's not call them good. Like this version of them is not good. It's just decent. Like nine tackles for loss, 53 plays. Yeah, I mean you're basically killing a drive with the tfl. What, two every three drives? Yeah, like that was, I think they're.
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A
Gonna do that to everybody. I think that they're gonna put up a lot of 31 to 30s. Today was 24 to 6. I mean I, I, I think that they can do that to basically everybody on their schedule.
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B
Like I, I see here in the chat people saying Washington sucks. Well, Washington does not suck. No, like they're not amazing. We, we know like some of their high level guys are missing and that does matter. Just like we talked about lsu. Like you can't lose like those guys in the course of the game and even in the course of pre and warm ups and not have it affect you. But like I mean you're eight. You told me the opposing quarterback was 18 of 22. I'm like, oh shoot. It was like, yeah, it was 473. Cool run game. Like nothing.
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Yeah.
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B
51 yards in TFLs.
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A
Demond Williams, Jonah Coleman. Yeah, Demon Williams, Joe Coleman, Denzel Boston is one of the best three man sort of combos that you're gonna have in all of college football. And they were, they weren't the ones that were banged up. Yeah, offensive lineman that was banged up. But you know, it's just they, they kept Washington's weapons in check. It was extremely impressive.
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C
They're saying.
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B
Just doesn't throw very many non competitive balls. Like no, like he just, they're on target and with those guys that's going to kill so many teams.
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C
And we talked that that's a really tough environment to play in. He handled it like as I talked earlier with like Oregon and like the procedure mistakes. You didn't see him with Ohio State either. He just, he's got a ton of talent around him, but he's just impressive. He just, he looks good and that defense is terrific. I mean I, I don't even know how to, what else to say about it. Like there's no weak spot on the defense. You might not know who the names are yet, but you will By November.
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B
Bo Jackson runs really hard, huh?
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C
I can't believe he had eligibility left.
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A
On the. Was it the fourth down conversion? That was the crosser to Jeremiah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. That's how I know Ryan Day. I mean, you can tell me Brian Hartline's calling plays. That's how I know Ryan Day is back in charge. Charge. Ohio State stuck in a jam and we're just gonna send our best wide receiver on a crosser. Let him go. Figure it out.
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B
So they're set. So Washington on that play is seven across, right? They send all seven.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So if. If you're saying you got to be like, this is a trap, like, who is actually, like, somebody needs to be dropping here to at least. At least like, make me double clutch this thing and I'll get sacked. That's kind of the goal of that. And nobody dropped. It was like, okay, we're gonna go. We're gonna go four on five.
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But I mean, bud, am I wrong? Isn't that like when Ohio State, when Ryan Day is calling the shots and they need a play, it's always. It's action coming both ways with the crossing route to your best wide receiver and then the other wide receivers turn into downfield blockers and you let them go make a play.
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B
He's the head coach at. An excellent offensive coach, and you had to promote a guy who is an excellent recruiter of receivers to offensive coordinator to keep him. But it would be insane to think that Ryan Day would not be involved in the offensive design at Gay Plan and maybe even some of the calling like he should be. You pay the guy like $10 million a year, it's like, because he's good at coaching offense, good at managing a team. Like, if I'm an Ohio State fan and he wasn't heavily involved, I would be pretty pissed, honestly.
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A
Who.
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B
They look good. Like, that's the best team I've seen this year.
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C
They got to be your favorites to do it again.
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B
Yeah. Like, if they lined up and played Bama tomorrow, I'm taking Ohio State.
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A
Yes.
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C
Yeah.
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B
No questions.
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A
I. I truly think it's a Ducks and Bucks debate and that's probably what we'll do on the Big Ten show this week.
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B
Yeah, I agree. I. Yeah, I think the SEC is deeper. I think the top of the Big Ten is better again.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I didn't think I was going to be the case this year, but so far it looks like it is.
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A
Very, very impressed. With. With Ohio State number one team in the country, I had to go on the road they had to play a power conference opponent for the first time since week one, and they absolutely answered the call if we want to stay in the Big Ten. Indiana. Things got awfully hairy for the Hoosiers.
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B
How much did you get to watch?
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A
I did not get to watch much at all.
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B
I got zero eyes on this.
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C
I watched a decent bit of it.
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A
All right.
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C
I mean, come on, Iowa. You think I'm not gonna watch this game? I mean, but I was. Defense kind of stepped up. First time, I felt like Iowa's defense looked like the Hawkeyes this year. Still, in the end, they weren't good enough to get the stops that they needed because the offense just didn't do enough to help them out. I mean, stop me if you've heard this story, but before, ladies and gentlemen, but Fernando Mendoza made some really big throws, particularly late in the game. There was one where he had a guy, like, just was getting blitzed, and the defender was pretty much helmet in his chin, and Mendoza just stood there and let him come so that way he could hit the guy up the seam. And he took a huge shot, and he completed the pass with an absolute laser. And it was like, all right, that's a QB1 throw. When you start seeing people talk about it, those are the kind of things that NFL teams are looking for. And it was a huge play. Elijah Surratt made some big plays. Mark Gronowski got hurt in the second half, and I think that I was, like, stuck around and hung in. But once Gronowski went out, you just kind of felt like, okay, no, Hank Brown comes in, they've got no shot to win this. They need, like, Indiana to screw up and, you know, throw a pick six or something to lose this game. So. But it's just. It goes to show, like, Indiana's been at home all season long. They clearly put a ton into last week's game because of the. You know, Illinois is this year's Indiana talk. They took that very personally. And then there was a natural letdown in this one, but they went on the road, and they won the game. And I. I think, you know, they'll be happy with it.
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A
I look forward to being able to check that out. I. I certainly hope that the. I certainly hope that the feathered app has. Has. Has good replay options.
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C
Our old friend Phil Sims calling the game.
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A
Okay, there we go. I mean, it's.
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B
Oh, it's on Peacock.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, that's. That. That's why it was hard. I. It was. It was hard for me because of my setup. To be able to, like, rotate in the. The option, you know, There hasn't been.
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B
A single game where I'm like, man, I really gotta have Peacock to go watch this thing live.
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A
Well, this was one.
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C
Tell me you didn't watch Illinois vs Western Michigan or. No. Was it Illinois Western. What game was it?
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A
Western Illinois?
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C
No, it was. I can't remember. Is that the game that. Yeah, it was. It was the season opener against Western Illinois. Sims calling it. I was just like, wow, Phil, we're calling Western Illinois and Illinois, huh? All right, cool.
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A
Hey, you know, honestly, Tom, they could have just brought back the crew from Beth Page, just pack it up.
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C
Just like, oh, it was so sad watching, like, the Peacock and NBC games today where they're doing the Ryder cup promos for tomorrow, and they're like, yeah.
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A
The Ryder final day of the Ryder Cup.
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B
You gotta watch it.
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C
They're getting the hell beat out of him.
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A
But who knows?
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C
Maybe.
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A
Did you hear. Did you see what I said in Slack? I said they kept promoting six hours of Ryder cup coverage like it was a punishment for not cleaning your room tomorrow. If you don't clean your room, you've got to watch six hours of Ryder Cup. Oh, Colorado. Okay, Come on. All right. Come on. Byu.
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C
Life depends. I'm Colin Morikawa, making this butt.
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A
I. I look forward to be getting back and digging into the Indiana side of it all because it was an alarming score to be, like, trying to track and get it on my phone and. And dig in on, but didn't really get a whole lot, especially with everything else going on at the time. Let's see. Illinois. Ill. Tom, thank you. That was. You know what? That was a great theme from some of today being a fun day. It was not a perfect football game for. For either team, but it was a fun one. You know, like the. The big swings back and forth, some big plays being made. I obviously, like. Floor is yours. How do. How do you walk out of this? First from the Illinois side and then also usc a little bit concerning in terms of some of the injury developments. Players who did not, but also players who got banged up within the course of the game.
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C
Illinois got pretty much all the best injury news it could get heading into the game in that Xavier Scott was the only guy who had missed time last week who didn't play. Although Matthew Bailey, who started, who was banged up last week, did get banged up in the second half and left this game. But it was USC who was dealing with more injuries than Illinois, which I think was a huge shock. And it certainly went against the reasons I picked against Illinois in this game, but, but I was just thrilled to see it, man, because it's like you come off a 53 point loss, man. It's, you don't know how the team's going to respond and then this is homecoming. It's usc, it's an undefeated usc. And the fear is that, oh my God, we're going to lay another egg. And all your fears about what this team has always done, whenever there are expectations are going to come, you know they're going to come and they're going to crash down and it's going to suck again. And oh my God, when does basketball start? It's not the case. It's a veteran team. They picked themselves up off the mat, played well, they nearly blew a two score lead or they did blow a two score lead late, but they picked themselves up off the mat again and they went and they got the drive when they needed at the end. Luke Altmire does it again. Last couple minutes of the game, just efficiently moving the offense down the field, getting into field goal range, having a good kicker and then making the field goal to win the game. And there's also like I see a lot of Illinois fans who are very pissed off at the defense. I will just say I'm not going to tell you to be happy with the defense, but some context if I may. This game was USC's lowest EPA per snap this season, their lowest explosive play rate of the season. That's overall in the air and on the ground. It was the first time all year USC didn't have a single play of 40 yards or more. It was their lowest yards per play all season. It was their highest rate of pressure allowed all season and it was their highest turnover rate in any single game this season. Sometimes offenses are just really, really, really good and you can get any kind of stops. And that was Illinois's defensive game plan. Here they were sitting back with a lot of three sits, three safeties sitting back, keep everything in front. It wasn't until Matthew Bailey got hurt and left the game that USC was really kind of able to start getting some chunk plays going. So yeah, just good all around.
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B
I think if we ever go to a premium option on this show, I really hope Tom had like a hidden camera at his desk that recorded his reactions to Illinois fumbling at the zero, having it get negated by penalty and then the next freaking play, Illinois fumbling at the floor and then on the final second to last try with the.
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A
Cave.
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B
Then they Again, fumble at the zero. Like, dude, I, I. If you want one of these, like, aura rings or, like, do you wear an apple watch? Okay, all right, I. We're gonna need that. That. We're gonna need to see that. That spike at about, like, I would say, 12:45 Eastern and then also about, like, 3:35 Eastern, roughly. Because, dude, I know I would be, like, crashing out so hard. Like, I mean, bud, we've got him.
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A
On camera for the end of the first half because he had to sit and watch while we were waiting to do the halftime show.
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B
Like, the back to back. I know the one was the goodbye penny. Like, literally line bubbles. It's got to be just.
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A
One of.
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C
The most confusing things to me about replay is like, the Kaden Fagan fumble at the goal line. That was ruled a fumble and upheld by replay. All right. To me, it looked pretty obvious that his shoulder was down before the ball comes out.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Then you fast forward, but they don't overturn it. Then you fast forward to tonight, and they're like, oh, a blade of grass clearly touched his knee. That's not a fumble. And they overturn it. I'm like, how is there. It's the same conference. How is there that much of a difference in the amount of evidence that you needed to overturn these calls? I don't get it. And I'm just happy that they won because, oh, my God, if they had lost, I would be very angry about that.
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B
Yeah. At least you had some. Some sketchy officiating in the game. Y' all won. We let Tony Elliott reset the play clock because he didn't realize the overtime rules last night.
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A
He set out the extra point.
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B
Yeah. And they're like, oh, oh, well, you didn't know. Like, like, we're gonna just reset this 25.
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A
Everybody gets a redo.
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B
Just one redo per game.
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A
Yeah, Tom, with. I know that we've. We. I don't know if we brought this saying to the COVID 3 podcast before, but Chris Felica the Bear has great nuggets. And so, like, when he's got a good nugget that you want to repeat, we always say, yeah, I'm gonna, like, take a little dip of the Bears honey. Okay, so here's a little dip of the Bears honey. Lincoln Riley is now 0:12 against the spread outside of the state of California. As USC's head coach, I got yelled at for talking about time zones. Buddy, that ain't even time zones. Those are state lines, man.
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B
To your point, though, like, they did have a Lot of really important guys either not play or go down in this game.
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A
Center, like Elijah Page is your best.
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C
Your center gets hurt. And by the way, their center goes out and on the very next play they score a 75 yard touchdown that is negated by the backup center who just came into the game being two yards further downfield than he's supposed to be.
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B
Kamari Ramsey, like probably their second best defensive player, maybe like, but like one of their like really good defensive players doesn't play at all. Decarlos Nicholson, he goes down. You have to put like a backup corner in. Who? I was like, having seen this kid in, in high school, I was like, how the hell did he end up at usc? So like, that was concerning. And you know, Illinois also shared that opinion. So it went right at the dude.
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C
It's like, oh, he's in.
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B
Yeah, okay, he's in. We're in to throw at him like repeatedly.
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A
Jacoby Lane did not play.
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C
Yeah, he did.
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B
No, he did.
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C
For 39 yards.
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A
All right. Okay.
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C
He just didn't. He did not start. And then he came in in the second half, he started getting some, some snaps.
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B
It was weird. Did they ever say what the injury to him was?
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A
No, I don't have anything.
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B
I think it was Chris Trevino of our USC site. He noted that Lane was catching the ball in warm ups, but he was like, Lemon would catch it and throw it back. Lane would catch it and then hand it to a trainer to throw it back.
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C
So it's like a shoulder injury.
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B
That's my guess, yeah.
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A
Makai Lemon was awesome and continues to be awesome. I thought Jaden Maeva played great in this game.
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C
Jaden Mayeva made a bunch of great plays off drift on script. He is going to get his receivers killed because he throw a lot of his throws over the middle, have his dudes just reaching. And they took some big hits from Illinois in this one and it's like I feel like they're going to have to have a talk with their qb. But no, Mai Lemon, you kind of like what happened? You just talked about with usc. Like once Bailey went out and Tanner Heckle had to come in like usc. Every single snap was like they were formation effing Illinois to forcing them to put Tanner Heckle on Makai Lemon. And then he finished with 11 catches for 151 yards and two touchdowns.
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A
Looks like BYU third quarter ends up taking an L as the Cougars gave up a late third quarter touchdown. Those halftime adjustments were looking good, Tom. You know, they came out and they scored A touchdown on their first drive out of halftime.
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C
You do you, you keep taking those pre flop third quarter bets if they make you happy.
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A
I mean, I'm glad I wasn't. I'm glad I was on Indiana first quarter and not fourth quarter as they take a safety, a cover busting safety at the end of the game.
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C
And Fernando Mendoza apologized for it too. Well, he didn't really apologize. He said, hey, I, that I probably killed a bunch of people's bets with that, but you know, I just got to do what I can to win the game.
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It's fine. You, you do you. Fernando, we just knew Indiana wanted to be ahead for the first quarter break. Okay, so again, that's, there's, there's a lot to sort of parse through. We're already like 75 minutes into this one.
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Did Jeremiah Love kill Sam Pittman?
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I just don't think you're gonna fire Sam Pittman. I think you're gonna let this guy retire and take a position within the ad.
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C
They should probably do it tomorrow then.
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B
Like announce like, hey guys, this is the last season coach will coach the rest of the year type thing.
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C
Like, did you see how empty that stadium was at halftime?
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B
It's, it's opening day of archery season, man.
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C
You had Notre Dame coming to town. All right, so this is like a huge game. It's a big deal. It's a, it's a great non conference opponent. It's a blue blood program. They played for the title game and that stadium was empty at halftime.
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Yeah, but that's the problem. The, the, the season ticket holders who are fond of being able to stretch that bow, they might not have been there so that they could get out there and hunt, but I think the money people were in the house for that game. I think, I think the money people saw, I think the fire Pittman chants were loud. I think the booing was really loud. We had Brandon Marcelo joint like, it was like a panic call. Brandon Marcelo joined CBS Sports HQ from the press box and was like, yeah, guys, this is bad. I'm talking to sources who say they're ready to like, they're ready to move.
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I think it's been known that this is last year since before the season.
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But it's the same thing as the firing.
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I think, like guys on that staff.
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Have known that, but I, I think that the decision to move on has now hit the same place that some of the early season firings that we talked about, specifically the ones that come to mind of Virginia Tech and Oklahoma State that the product is so bad on the field that can. Allowing it to continue without accountability means that you're going to end up disrespecting the fan base. And the fan base already feels disrespected because of the athletic director's comments about the ceiling and, like, what they can accomplish. And you know, what your job is as an athletic director, it might not be to tell the truth to your fans. It's definitely not to tell the truth to your boosters. And so I. I kind of feel like this performance on this stage, I mean, but it was Lou Holt's day. It trotted Lou out there. It was the notary, it was the Lou Holtz bowl. And you did that for Lou. Oh, my gosh. What. I mean, in Ohio State played so well. What a bad day for Lou.
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I mean, if the money people were in the building for Arkansas, like, they should have been in the building when they were trying to build, like, a defense through the portal this off season. Like, that. They have, like, zero talent on defense.
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Notre Dame hit its team total over before halftime.
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Well, before halftime.
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Yeah. And then they added one on for a good measure.
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That. That was not competitive in. In any way. Oh, touchdown byu. Look, the AD is probably not real smart to say what he said, but also, like, Arkansas is trying to win at three sports. They're also, like, pretty good in track. Right? Like. Like, there's.
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That's an absurd comment to say they.
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Are like, I mean, you know, this.
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This is. This is football. In the sec, you're not going to say we can't win in football because we want to win in track.
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No, but you can say, hey, guys, like, we've never, ever, ever competed in the SEC in football, and we have a chance to do something in basketball, which is why we went and hired Calipari. And we actually have something really good running the baseball here. So, you know, we'll keep cashing these football checks and spending it not on football, but on baseball and basketball.
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There's a difference between saying, we're not going to win the SEC and, hey, we're just going to lose by 40 every week.
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That's fair. It's.
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It's not on the path, but it's not like the schedule gets easier.
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There's a.
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There's more. Notre Dame's coming up.
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Yeah, that's. Somebody has to take the losses.
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You.
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You guys let Oklahoma Conference, and Sam.
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Pittman has taken far too many of them at this point.
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No, you're gonna not. I'm not.
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You're Gonna completely alienate your fan base. Like there's gonna be no reason for them to care.
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B
So who is the interim head coach? The guy you probably really don't want to make the head coach? Or is it the guy in Travis who like, like whose defense just gave up a 60 burger or whatever? Whatever they give up. Right.
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I make Petrino my interim head coach because I'm still going to get my skull caved in for the rest of the year. So at least that way if we lose seven games with Bobby Petrino, none of my fans are going to be dumb enough to say we need to keep Petrino.
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Yeah, that's actually, that's really smart.
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Hire me to be your A.D. arkansas. I'll fire Sam tomorrow.
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By the way. Also, I think buckle up. I think Notre Dame is going to do this to a lot of teams left on their schedule.
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C
They have.
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The problem is Tom Zalanai just killed Notre Dame's resume today.
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Sorry.
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I, I, I, I just like.
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USC is not going to finish ranked at this point.
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I'm.
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Nobody else on the schedule will either. Like Notre Dame died today. As far as playoffs.
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On the record, Illinois killed Notre Dame 10 and two.
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With no good wins. I just like us. He's going to be unranked.
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You, you, you, you're trying to project out the end of the season. I'm just telling you how individually these.
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Results lost to Vatech.
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Bud, I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you what's going to happen on the football field.
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B
You're talking about 31 homes at Duke.
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A
Bud, you're talking about what's going to happen in a conference room in Grapevine, Texas. I'm going to tell you what's going to happen on the football field in the sport of college football.
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I'm saying they really desperately needed USC to have a number by their name when they played them. And that's not going to happen.
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I'm pretty sure now Notre Dame is going to catch some bodies. We are doing toe tags. We are zipping up body bags. They are putting 40 or 50 on every team that is left on this schedule right now. Like this is going to be an absolutely brutal showing because they have to and they know that they have to. It's what they did last year. They beat, they finished the season even after the playoff with a margin of victory of 20 points per game. They were throwing up like 49, 14, 52, 13. I mean they were, they're gonna do it again and we're gonna potentially they might lose and Then it's they're done. But their method, they are no games off the rest of the way for Notre Dame. I think we're going to see more scores like this and they're good because.
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B
Yeah. And I to the people in the chat saying that this is basically Indiana's resume if they go 10 and 2 last year. Strongly disagree. Like the bottom of the ACC is, is to me a lot worse than the bottom of the Big Ten.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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I don't think those are close.
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I, I just need a clean clip, Mikey of Bud saying that Illinois killed Notre Dame. So I can send that to a certain group text of I have friends who might be Notre Dame fans.
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Chance and say, you're welcome.
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Like, hey, did you guys hear the news? Bam. But Illinois killed Notre Dame.
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All right, real, real quick. If there's like one or two more games before we do tomorrow's top 25 today. And then obviously a beefy upon further review. But we are, we're an hour and 25 minutes into this already shouts to.
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Cincinnati for finally winning. Winning a one score ball game. Like they're a team that I feel like has been a lot better than their record over the last two years. And they finally like came out on the right side of one.
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Virginia Tech head coach Scott Satterfield.
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Oh, I could see it. Their fans would riot just based on what I just said about the last two years and close games after what Pride did in close games. But.
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C
I'm not a Virginia Tech fan. But I feel like my reaction to that probably. Well, I don't, I don't think I'd be down with that as a hokey.
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Tom would. Where would you like to turn? That was. But that was a fun game. I didn't, I didn't really. I was, you know, you, you've been there before. Like, even though you've got the option to watch eight games at once, you can't watch eight games at once sense. You know, you've got to like kind of pick and choose what you're going to really dial in on. And so all I saw were like explosive plays and dumb plays and stuff swinging back and forth between Cincinnati and Kansas. Looked like a super fun one, just not one that I was 100 locked into.
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Yeah, I, I thought it was like really well played by both quarterbacks like that. It was a total shootout. It was a shootout, a slow paced shootout, but it was a, from an efficiency standpoint, a complete shootout. That was a good one. Jackson Arnold probably should have thrown four or five interceptions like in the first half alone and somehow did not. And this game was not close at all in terms of like how it was actually played.
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C
But the scoreboard was very painful not to get the COVID there.
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B
Holy cow. Yeah.
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I will say Auburn, your defense is very good.
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Is Auburn gonna open? Yes, I think so too. Now I, I think Freeze gonna get fired.
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A
That is not informed speculation or reporting. But I'm just.
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It's like Chip can count.
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He's made bad quarterback decisions with Peyton Thorne and then now Jackson Arnold just not working out.
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Just. It's.
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It's hard to win in the SEC with just an average qb. I did not very good everywhere else.
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I did not think Texas A M played great.
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I thought their defense played well. I think the offense again, I think Auburn's defense is just really good. I don't think it's a coincidence that every time Auburn plays a team their offense struggles.
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I thought that's fair. Okay. Because I was going to say it felt like Texas A and M just could not pull away but seemed to be, you know, seem to have the advantage. Seem to have like the leverage in the competition for most of the game, but just could not put them away. And I guess I should give more credit to Auburn's defense for their part in that. No. Obviously shout out to Le'Veon Moss, career high in rushing. He was just kind of the workhorse for them. They got enough plays that they needed too late. But yeah, man, it's. Auburn's roster is too talented for their inability to. To. To win some of these games.
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At one point in this game. And don't clip this because it's not exact, but I, I pulled it up on my phone. I was like, whoa. Oh, Marcel reads like 2 of 7 for like 105. Like yep, that makes sense. That that's. That's on brand here. Excellent. He finished 15 of 22 for 207. It's fine.
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Mississippi State and Tennessee.
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That was a fun football game.
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Game very sloppy but also fun.
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As we mentioned earlier, another flag fest. I don't have the stat hold up but approximately like 30 penalties in that game.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean seriously, at one point it was 25. I really think it might have gotten to 30 by the end of it.
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Joey Aguilar was throwing more moon balls out there. There was one play. There's. It was. It resulted in the scooping score for Tennessee where Blake shape and got. Got absolutely destroyed.
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Just.
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I thought he died.
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I was gonna say which one? Because there was a punch.
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The one where he fumbled In Tennessee picked it up and scored.
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Okay.
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Yeah I think it was Tyrese Smith.
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There's.
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What's the kid's name? I can't remember. Anyways, he came from the blind side shape it had no idea he was there and just absolutely obliterated him. It was incredible. But yeah like that stings if you're State because I, I feel like they had that game if they just, just didn't tend to screw up at the end.
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Well so I didn't see. I was, I was moving locations. When Tennessee got the game tying touchdown was that good Tennessee or was that Mississippi State giving it up?
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No, that was good Tennessee also like the right tackle got, got rolled up on, had to come out of the game. David Sanders, the true freshman to come into the game Sanders thought was okay. He did commit like a pretty inopportune false start you know like down in in state territory. But like I, I thought it was more good Tennessee like I thought Mississippi State played hard. They're upgraded team and like they played well.
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Yeah it's what stunk was that like State was scoring in the second half but they, they didn't have to go very far to do so. And then like Tennessee gets back in the game, they tie it just after the two minute warning like there's a minute 55 left in state just comes out and goes three and out gains two yards and it's just, it's like you felt once they had to do that you kind of felt like they, they weren't going to win the game and they didn't. Although Fluff Bothwell, my boy South Alabama Jaguar that North Carolina should have gotten instead of Geo Lopez. 23 attempts, 134 yards, two touchdowns. Wasn't Fluff's fault. Don't blame.
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I mean that is the true flattening of the Southeastern Conference is even the bottom is getting better.
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Yeah, it'd be hard for Mississippi State to be worse than they were last year though.
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I would agree with that.
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Did Kaden Salter take like a 20 yard sack on third down?
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A
That's what the tailgate is saying. That's what my boy will do.
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B
Just bro. Throw it away.
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C
Nah.
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B
22.
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C
They showed me, they showed me that Shador tape. I don't throw nothing away. I just keep running backwards.
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A
I'm trying to think. I don't, I don't want to have any more tabs open because I'm trying to give. How's, how's the Internet been by the way since I froze out the junk.
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C
Beautiful Incredible.
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Okay, good.
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C
You look amazing.
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A
I'm trying to reach out. What else stood out?
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Iowa State really put to rest any idea that Arizona is good.
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Yeah, it was tough watch.
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C
That was. That was pretty. I mean.
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A
Oh, so you mean it was an Iowa State football game.
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C
No, it wasn't an Iowa State football game because it wasn't close like. No, but the doors off awful.
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I. I think tough watch is kind of an Iowa State football game.
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I bet tough to watch Arizona play tonight. It was rough.
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A
Yeah. I did not watch a second of Northwestern, ucla.
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C
Neither did I. I'm not who won. I enjoy life Western.
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Okay.
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A
Devin Dampier heard us talking.
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C
It was West Virginia though.
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So, I mean, you saw Nico didn't play for. For the Mountaineers, right?
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Yes.
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C
NC State lost to Virginia Tech.
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The.
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C
The ACC sucks.
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B
Let's be real. There's like three or four decent.
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C
There's one real good team, there's a.
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B
Couple decent teams and then the rest of it's pretty ass.
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I was worried it was gonna get toxic. I told you that, right? Yeah, that's a. That's a. That's a. That's a conversation for a. We'll do. We'll do a little locals hour maybe on Monday.
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Lose for a while there too.
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Yeah, I actually came. I don't think Louisville's great, but they. I came out of that with a little bit more. It would have been easy for them to fold because everything was going pits way early. So, you know, it's a good win for that football team that they respond. But you know what happened. Oh, man, I just thought of this. Remember how we said that the AAC caught a little CUSA acc They invited in smu. That's the action. That's what it is. Some. Some wild football going on in that conference right now. Okay. Coming up on the other side, running through our expectations for the new AP Top 25 and more nukes, your fantasy season doesn't end after your draft.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Do you have. Do you. 55 first place votes out of about 62 or 63 last week. What do you think the split looks like this week?
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Well, let's see. Miami got seven, Penn State got five. So I would say that.
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And Oregon got one.
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C
Yeah. So Oregon might get all five of those Penn State votes. Considering those people thought Penn State was the best team in the country.
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A
I think the Buckeyes lose some. I think they could lose. I don't. I mean, I, I think it is.
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C
Very good to lose any votes.
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Oregon's gonna go to two over Miami. I'm pretty sure.
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Yes, I would agree with that.
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I think that Oregon goes to two. And I think that at least a non zero amount of voters will just simply say, I think beating Penn State in Happy Valley is better than beating Texas at home. They're both undefeated and now Oregon has a better win. You'd been playing a bunch of teams that I don't have on my ballot, and you just beat a team that I've got up inside had, you know, the top 10 on my ballot. Okay, maybe top five.
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C
They've got comparable number one wins now. Let's compare their second best wins. Ohio State just went on the road and beat Washington. Oregon's second best win is what? Northwestern, Oklahoma State, Oregon State.
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A
That's fair. I mean, I'm making a prediction.
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You're wrong, Chip. Now you might be right. I'm just practicing who I'm going to be mad at on Monday.
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Okay. Ole Miss is going to be a big mover because of some of the shakeup up. Alabama's got a loss. Georgia's got a loss. You're looking around, you're like, okay, so who, who's going to benefit from this? I think Ole Miss. Yeah, I think Ole Miss gets up.
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Into the top five over Oklahoma.
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That's the, that's, that's where you're looking at right now. Over A and M. I think they are over A and M. I Don't know. I mean, if LSU was still at 4, I mean, we could say we sold all of our LSU stock, but this is still the voters that had LSU at 4.
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C
True.
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B
Do we think LSU stays ranked?
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Yeah.
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C
Yes, of course. You're not going to fall from 4 to unranked for losing to Ole Miss.
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Yeah. 4. 4 to unranked is a pretty crazy drop.
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C
Illinois lost by 53 instead, right? Yeah.
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And also the teams that you're grabbing to put in the ballot, it's you. You'd have to really be sitting there and like. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I. I think Memphis is going to get ranked this. This week, you know, is Louisville. Oh, I don't think so.
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Colorado.
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That's a good. If BYU loses, that'd be a good one to grab because I don't. South Carolina is kind of in line too, so there. Yeah, I know. I think Utah breaks back in. You know, Utah was just on the outside looking in and, you know, they only got bounced for the Texas Tech loss. But you know that Texas Tech's going to be a team that's moving up in a pretty significant way. I do think USC falls out and I think TCU falls out. Florida State drops down to. Florida State's a tough one because you beat Alabama, but Alabama just beat Georgia. So I think Florida State 14. I think Florida State ends up behind Alabama. I don't necessarily agree with it. I think they'll be within two to three spots of each other, but that it's going to be really messy between like 11 and 18. You know, there's going to be. It's the beginning of trying to get some, like, some conflicts evened out with some, like, what do you do with like, Georgia's got to be ahead of Tennessee. Right.
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I think Alabama has to be ahead of Florida State because Alabama lost to Florida State, Florida State lost to Virginia. All right.
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Yeah. My prediction is that Alabama is ahead of Florida State. Welcome to top 10 Texas Tech. You didn't play, but because of all the shakeup.
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B
Yeah.
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Now Texas Tech's up in the top 10. Tennessee's win was very big because it keeps them. Georgia Tech also. It wasn't pretty, but you were able to hold on and win. Yeah. Ole Miss, Oregon are kind of your big movers of note. Alabama jumping back in it. Then some of the rest is a little bit more of rearranging the deck chairs. Are there any teams or questions on yalls end in terms of trying to figure out how this thing's going to shake out?
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C
Really need to Cut this poll to 16 teams.
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A
16 might be a good number.
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C
Just saying, like, look at the teams we're talking about right now, like sneaking in like Louisville. Are they going to be ranked? It's like they might be, but they shouldn't.
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B
I mean.
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At least Notre Dame's got more of a reason to be ranked now.
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True. They. They beat an SEC team, so probably got to put them back in the top 10.
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No, I think I've got them hanging tight at 22. No movement. I don't know, a lot of movement around them, but no movement.
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C
You put up 56 points on the SEC in an SEC Stadium.
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B
That's fair.
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C
SEC.
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I don't have Arizona.
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SEC.
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They are, they are, but apparently just.
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C
Because you're like some SWC, like loyalist.
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No, I mean, I just, I'm surprised that they're even allowed to be in because apparently they don't care about football. I. Did I tell you one I legitimately wrestled with near the edge is your. They can't keep getting away with it anymore. Yeah, like, I, I couldn't put Arizona State in when they've got the loss to Mississippi State and then Mississippi State lost to Tennessee. It's just kind of a little bit of a log jam there. I just couldn't, couldn't see that happening. But that's what we're talking about in terms of teams that are knocking on the door that you'd be making arguments for in terms of breaking into the top 25 again. If you want to check out the full AP top 25 projection, it's available on CBS sports.com and when this BYU game goes final, we'll see whether the Cougars end up hanging on or whether the Louisville Cardinals potentially that end up breaking in. Well, our thanks to everybody who hung out. Make sure you smash that like and smash that. Subscribe. We do really appreciate it. These are very fun hangouts and we are glad that all of you hang out to join us. To recap the college football Saturday. We had a lot of great, you know, promotional graphics. You know, this was talk about like one of the best sports days ever that they threw up on screen and it was like, like, we got the Ryder Cup. We've got this football game. This football game. And at 11:30 we've got the COVID three instant reaction show. And so yeah, that was, that was cool. We appreciate it. Everybody who. Yeah, everybody who hung out. We'll be back on Monday, 11am Eastern Time for upon further review. Yes.
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B
Do we need to make a ruling? Like, is Arkansas emergency worthy because you're traveling, right?
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A
Correct.
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B
Okay.
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C
I can wait till Monday.
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B
Yeah, I think. I think that, like I. I say that's a Monday.
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C
I mean, we're all going to be watching the Ryder cup, you know, as punishment. Yeah, as punishment.
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B
Mikey's not around tomorrow. I'm not around tomorrow. Chips traveling tomorrow. Arkansas, if you fire Sam.
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C
I don't want to talk to Danny.
- [110:37]
B
We'll pick on Monday. Yeah.
- [110:41]
A
We'Ll see. Hey, listen, well, we don't. We don't. We don't want to get. We don't want to get scooped, you know?
- [110:47]
B
True.
- [110:48]
A
If we can. If we can. If we can sit down and do it.
- [110:51]
C
You want to just record it right now, live?
- [110:55]
A
Wow.
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C
I can't believe they did it.
- [110:57]
B
Wow.
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C
Who do you think they're gonna hire to replace it?
- [111:00]
B
You know, Thomas, you really need to wait to see if Auburn opens up or if Florida opens up or both, obviously. If for some reason Auburn and Florida both don't fire their coach, and if, also if LSU for some reason doesn't fire theirs, then maybe they can look into John Summerall. Wow, that would be a total coup. Do you think Bobby Petrino. Bobby Petrino. Bobby Trino would be an interesting candidate? Here they say you can never go home, but.
- [111:23]
A
But you're doing it all wrong. John Gruden wants an SEC job. John Gruden, Arkansas. John Gruden. What's ever gone wrong? Hiring a former NFL coach with very limited college experience? It's never gone wrong, ever.
- [111:40]
C
Hey, John Gruden, do you jump at the Arkansas job now, or do you wait to see if Auburn and Florida come open and if they're interested?
- [111:46]
B
That's USC center in a full leg cast.
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C
Yeah, not good.
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A
Not good. All right. Will Arkansas. I mean, just, Just, just hang on to him, you know, let's. Let's let Sam.
- [111:59]
C
Just let Sam enjoy the Ryder cup and then fire him later.
- [112:06]
B
Let the man enjoy bow season without firing him.
- [112:08]
A
Yeah, come on, let's at least. Let's at least get long gun seasons coming up a little later. That's in, like, late October, November. Right.
- [112:16]
B
And then modern gun season is like, Is your musket style. Yeah, we actually should get like, like somebody to sponsor us, like, on a musket trip, like, do the show from a blind. There's got to be somebody like, like who's got some kind of seated field out there who would let us do a show.
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A
Yes, I'm, I'm. I mean, like, I'm down.
- [112:49]
B
Yeah, I'm down next year because he probably won't be doing anything.
- [112:52]
A
So, like, just, hey, well, then Sam can buy the whole farm.
- [112:57]
B
That's right.
- [112:59]
A
If I got $9 million coming my way, you know how much the farmland they can buy in Arkansas? You kidding me? Buy it and staff it.
- [113:10]
B
Mikey's gonna grab one of those baskets on us if we don't end the show.
- [113:17]
A
And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Fenelli. You can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chip Underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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C
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