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Chip Patterson
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Tom Fernelli
Welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast.
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Bud Elliott
With your hosts, Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college.
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Tom Fernelli
From national signing day to the national championship and everything in between.
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Bud Elliott
CBS Sports presents the COVID 3 podcast.
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Chip Patterson
And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Bud Elliott. That's Tom Fenelli. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe, smash that like and come and join us in the chat, aka the COVID 3 tailgate, where it seems, according to the tailgate, that Josh Hoover just led an amazing front door cover for TCU. Minus 13 and a half. That game was locked up for a long time. TCU in Colorado, not necessarily my main television through the night didn't have ears on it, as we like to say from time to time. But, but man, what, what a day as we are starting just a little bit early. Big weekend. Thanks. First of all, first and foremost, thanks to everybody who not. Not wide. Wide middle. I tell you what, it's wide middle. We gonna have a wide middle right here. That's what. That's what Jimbo said. And we do have a field goal as. As Florida State has cut the lead to 28 to 22 with 20 seconds left. First, thanks to everybody who came out to Madison Social. We had an unbelievable crew. A lot of y' all watched live on YouTube. The chat had amazing commentary, including the threats of finding out the name of the band that was doing their sound check in the middle of our show so the tailgate could activate all kinds of online hostility. I do not endorse cyberbullying. Let it be read into the record. I am also just not going to research who that band was because what we do is it's not about the opponent. We overcome adversity. And I still thought that it was a. I still thought it was a great show. So, yeah, we, we. We've got a lot to get to. But just real quick, bud. Tom, any thoughts, Any takeaways, shout outs? What. What stood out about our show on Friday from. From Madison Social?
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Tom Fernelli
I think the live shows just keep getting better. I mean, I think the audience participation was. Was off the charts. And, you know, some of the folks on YouTube said they could hear the band. I was like, yeah, you know, who else could hear the band? All of us. We had to crank the ifbs up to like a million, you know, just so I could hear, you know, hear Chip three seats over. It was great to see just like an awesome Knowles crowd. Even had a couple Miami fans, you know, show their face. I'm sure more would show their face, you know, after tonight's ball game. It was so much fun, man. It's great to see and that's really kind of what College ball's about, you know, like, it's awesome to be able to sit there and watch all the games and bring you guys the live show every Saturday night. Right. But, like, it is also good to get on the road and actually stay in touch with the people who love the sport like we do.
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Bud Elliott
It was also great for our listeners and for the tailgate that they didn't have to hear the sound check after the show, which featured the band's singer who was trying to hit some notes that frankly she could not hit. It was not great. But as far as the rest of the show, I thought it was great. I had a great time. I'm really grateful for everybody who showed up. I had a lot of fun. I just wish I could have stayed longer.
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Chip Patterson
Fantastic. You know, like, road game for us. We handled it well. You know who didn't handle the road game well? How about the Penn State Nittany Lions, because there's a UCLA side that we can get to. But I, I kind of think we got to start with this is. How about this one? Hyperbole right off the jump minute number three. And it looks like we are shaking hands. 28, 22. We'll. We'll do the full, full autopsy of Miami and Florida State in a little bit. Is this one of the worst loss and worst losses in Penn State program history?
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Bud Elliott
I, I'm not going to go program history because there's a lot of history, but I would say it's probably the worst loss of the James Franklin era. Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean, I am struggling to think what are the worst ones for Penn State. Like, I don't have like, like a Rolodex of hey, here, like my top 10 worst Penn State losses of all time. But if you lose as a four touchdown favorite, that would be. That's got to be pretty far up there because there's a lot of programs that have never lost as a four touchdown favorite, period.
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Chip Patterson
Well, it was like when you came on here after Northern Illinois, Notre Dame and you said, you know, like, hey, we don't see upsets like this. If we're to even just go based on the point spread, we don't see these a lot during a college football season. And we just saw one and oh my gosh, it was Northern Illinois and it's, look, UCLA is not northern Illinois. But they were winless. They were 04. And there were real conversations wondering whether or not UCLA was going to win a dagum game. And then to have Tino Sensori is out and Jerry Newheisel is promoted and we're like, oh gosh, what a, what a tough situation for the, the young man to get thrust into. And he's got Nico cooking. I mean, Tom, is that, is that one a, is that one UCLA did things differently or do we have to come back on Penn State because that Jim Knowles denied Dennis Sutton and I know that James Franklin's already talking about some of the injuries that they had and players who, who might have been in there as a spy, you know, on, on Nico and his ability to run, but come on, dog, this is the Penn State defense.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, I was talking to Bud and Mikey about this before the show. I, I'm not going to make an excuse for Penn State because there frankly is no excuse for losing this game. You were a 4 touchdown favorite. You're playing a bad team and you lost. But I do think the reality of the situation is there was a new offensive coordinator, a guy who wasn't a play caller anywhere before. Penn State had absolutely no idea what UCLA was going to look like in this game. In the first half, UCLA really caught them off guard. Now, offensively, no excuse for how piss poor the Penn State offense performed, but defensively, I was willing to give them some grace because it's like, okay, we haven't seen this. They're doing stuff. They are beating us with it. It was seven. It was 277 at halftime. Penn State outscored him 30 to 15 in the second half. So clearly the defense was able to adjust for the most part, although they still didn't get the crucial stops they needed as their offense finally woke up and mounted the comeback. To me, I just have no idea what you were doing on offense to only manage seven points a game against this UCLA team that really hadn't shown an ability to stop anybody all year. And we talked about it last week after the loss to Oregon, it was too little, too late with the comeback. It's like you waited too damn long to really get things going. And it was the same thing in this game. You took too long to get going. And it's just at this point to sound like I'm, you know, beating a dead horse. They, they don't have the quarterback, they don't have the receivers, they're running backs. I mean, Katrina Allen only had eight carries in this game, but he had finished with 50 yards and two touchdowns. Maybe he should be getting more carries, I don't know. But I just, I don't know, man. There's, there's really no excuse for it. And frankly, I mean, I can understand why a Penn State fan is probably really pissed off about this because it was just, it was pathetic, honestly. The offense, the first half of this game was absolutely pathetic.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean, 52 rushes for 280 is crazy. We can talk about how they didn't, they weren't really prepared for the new scheme UCLA was going to run. Like Tom said. I think that part is, is pretty obvious given like how fast UCLA jumped out and hit him with some stuff they weren't expecting. But, but also all due credit to ucla. I think this is a bit of a Penn State game, right? Like he loses a 28 point favorite to a team that's just completely lost for the entire. They were winless on the season. Like it feels like a bit of a Penn State hangover, you know, and like, I don't want to take away from ucla, but I don't know if like fully bought in, fully focused or Penn State loses this ball game and they, they lost to ucla. Like this is, it's a pretty damning loss.
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Chip Patterson
Well, I mean, good, good, good move snuffing it out. It was. That's the first place James Franklin went. Post game, press conference, he said we did not handle last week's loss well.
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Bud Elliott
Do you think that's like, do you think this is the result of like him saying that? Because there was so much put on this team coming into the season, like this is the year if James Franklin's ever had a team that's going to break through and do it and then what happens against Oregon happens. Do you think that like it kind of just broke them?
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah, I mean, I think this is the year they had the crazy expectations. So, you know, like, maybe they just. Maybe. Maybe there's real hangover there for sure.
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Chip Patterson
So I think that. Here's what I think, Tom. I think that it is truly a. Another chapter in the book of you cannot flip a switch. And it can be very dangerous if you think that you can because you were not operating at a top level in your first couple wins of the season and then you tried to get to that level. You played really, really like you played a game that was in double overtime. You know, you were right there. And not only do you have to turn around the next week and go play, but you've got to go play in Los Angeles, you know, the. And everything that comes with it. So it can be discombobulating, I think, to try to go from 33 to a hundred and then know that you can probably turn in 33 again and win does that make sense?
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah. But I do think there are some teams that could flip the switch because I would argue Ohio State flipped it three times last year and they lost one of them by a point on the road to Oregon. But like, we saw Ohio State in cruise control for most of its time last season, except for that Oregon game, the Michigan game, and then when the playoffs started, they just took it to an entirely new level. Maybe Penn State's just not good enough to flip that switch.
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Chip Patterson
That's fair. I mean, we, there's a level of explosiveness that we have not seen from Penn state the last three seasons, last 20 seasons. Yeah, that's not true.
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Bud Elliott
I mean, when they had guys like.
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Tom Fernelli
The one Clifford guy was like the one Clifford year, they had some.
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Chip Patterson
No, they had a run of wide receivers. I'm not, I'm not gonna just like memory hole when they had an NFL wide receiver almost every year for about a four or five year run. So, you know, I don't, we don't. Penn State fans, I don't know if they're, if they're even seeking this out though we do have a lot of, a lot of fire. James Franklin commentary. I don't think James Franklin's going to get fired, but man, it's going to get toxic the rest of the season.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah, look, if, if you're somebody who gives to Penn State, it should get toxic. Not toxic in like a, you know, unhealthy way, but like, yeah, of course you should be pissed. Right? Like that would be crazy. Not, not to be. You lost to ucla. Like, this is a team that fired their coach in September. A team that was over going like, this is crazy.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, you know, good company, man. It was great to see all that on cbs. Yeah, like, you know, if I'm going to lose my team total under, I'd rather lose it in spectacular fashion. They put up 42. I was asking them to go under 12 and a half.
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Bud Elliott
I mean, trust tree. Like, I was not expecting this to be a very good game, but you know, it was on, it was on cbs. So I didn't want to just come out and say that. So I'm happy that we got the giant enormous upset in our game of the week.
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Chip Patterson
And Aaron Taylor, Aaron Taylor on the post game desk just like flipping on its head and bringing some, some human emotion to the conversation. And he was just like, coach, as a father, tell me what that was like. And Rick just like let it out. It was cool. It was really cool. You know, we got some highlights of him being able to see what had happened. Of course the Jerry Newheisel gets carried off the field just like when he was a quarterback getting carried off the field 11 years ago. I mean just the eerie similarity of it all. I mean it was just, it was cool. It was. Those things are existing in my mind on an island away from significance from the college football season as a whole. But that's one of the things. It's like you just don't get that in many other places in sports and college football will give those moments to you for ucla. UCLA might not win another game. We'll see. But they had today and so, so that was cool for the players, the coaches and everybody involved. A lot of people who love that program who've been very sad with the bleak outlook. And so you at least had today on a very big stage with a very big win. So a lot, a lot for Penn State to unpack moving forward. I think UCLA enjoys their Saturday. That. That kind of is the big Bruins takeaway for me. Anything else on the Penn State side?
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Tom Fernelli
I mean they like they're. They came into the year thick and natty. Right. Like they basically have to win out now I think to go oh yeah.
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Bud Elliott
I mean if, if they don't win.
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Tom Fernelli
Out like nine and three with nobody in the non conference is not gonna get you in. I don't think if the sport goes oh seven then like all bets are off.
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Chip Patterson
But it'd be Bud, after what happened today, I think I'm gonna do two weeks off on playoff talk. You can do it. I mean like I'm sure, I'm sure that like people are engaged.
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Tom Fernelli
I was out on playoff talk for the four teamer. I think like 12 team playoff talk. A lot of people like, because there's like, you got like 30 teams you can talk about. That's like the top half of the.
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Chip Patterson
That's great. I'm very glad that you're. I'm very glad that you're engaging with a lot of people that are the 30 teams that are excited about the playoff talk. But I just, I do not think that I can sit here and, and say given what we have seen and I, you know people at the very. Was it like maybe two weeks into the season. They're like oh seven. This is just like a 07 chaos. Look, look what we've seen so far.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean there's some 07ish stuff.
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Chip Patterson
There is a lot that is pointing to the idea that we cannot take a lot. Like for example, the cotton. We will get to Miami and we will get to the ACC a little bit later on. But I started seeing the. Did you know Miami, Georgia Tech and Virginia could all finish eight? No. And I'm like, get the hell out of town. We're going to. We're going to all sit here and just say, oh, yeah, we can predict every single ACC game and just write them all.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, Mikey, make a note. So that way when that does happen, we can clip that part and make Chip look bad.
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Chip Patterson
And so that's. That's fine. Are you kidding me? I just took a UCLA team total and they put 42 on Penn State. Okay, you can't break me anymore. All right, so here's a. Another piece of this which is very obviously similar in that it's another top 10 team that lost to an unranked team. Clearly not as, quote, unquote, bad of a loss. They both went on the road, they both lost unranked teams. Texas was a 6 1/2 point favorite, not a 4 score favorite. Texas also, you know, lost to a Florida team that I think undeniably is more talented. You know, and the talent gap is much closer. But now it's starting to bring about, like. And look, it was 29 to 21. As bad as Texas played in this game, they still had chances down at the end. This is. Is. Is Texas, like, sneaky, fraudulent?
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Bud Elliott
Yes. It's not so sneaky anymore.
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Chip Patterson
Right.
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Tom Fernelli
I.
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Bud Elliott
You guys want to play some trivia?
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Tom Fernelli
Yes.
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Bud Elliott
A lot of it yesterday, always. There were. There were two teams in the top 25 this week who had yet to beat a powerful opponent. Do you know who they were?
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, the two that lost.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think there's definitely some. Fraudulism. Is that a word we can use? Fraudulism, Fragilism.
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Chip Patterson
But see, this is. This is. The thing is I need to back. I don't think this is arch. I think the team.
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Bud Elliott
Oh, I think a lot of it was arch.
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Chip Patterson
Okay.
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Bud Elliott
That's where we disagree. Yeah. I mean, their wins are San Jose State, UTAP and Sam Houston. And now they've played two power four opponents and they've lost both of them. Now they were both on the road and they were both good opponents. So when I say that Texas is a fraud or suffering from fraudulism, I don't mean that they're like a 4 and 8 team in disguise. I just mean that they are not a legit playoff contender to me. Like, they might get there. Even though after today's loss, I. I'm very skeptical that of that situation. But you never know with how everything else is going. It's just this team's not winning the SEC and if it does somehow find its way into the College Football Playoff, it's not going to win a game if it gets there.
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Tom Fernelli
I, I think Tom's point is. Yeah, exactly. Like we have not really seen what this team looks like when it plays like a P4 defense with just decent D linemen. Maybe like average to above average D lineman. Like Ohio State has real dudes, you know, and Florida defensively does have a lot of guys. Offensively they've been a train wreck so far. We can pretty conclusively say that they are struggling when they have to block a decent to good front. Right. Like that's causing a lot of problems.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, you mean like being outside the top 103rd down red zone and being outside the top 100 and penalty yards per game and having back breaking holding calls and false starts.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean, how about 11 carries for 15 yards from the backs? Mm. What's their rush success rate from the backs? That's got to be pretty close to zero, right? Well, no, they probably had an explosive. No, their, their long carry from a back was 6 yards. So they're like success rate is going to be either 9% or zero, I think on your, on your running back carries from the backs. There's just a little math in here. They can't run the ball and they don't have the offensive line that they had last year. Florida ate them alive up front. I mean they, you know, they lost by eight, not by 100, but still 341 yards. A lot of that, you know, came kind of late, to be honest. It wasn't that. They just kind of got bullied, you know, and that's, that's concerning. Like they didn't really look much better against the Gators offensively than LSU did against Florida. You know.
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Chip Patterson
Number one team in the.
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Tom Fernelli
Country to start the year.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, Penn State was number two.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, I just, I just think that, you know, I was going back to it and I was like, okay, so where are we at now? And I know that Florida doesn't count for this, but just to take stock of it, Texas is 3 and 7 against the combination of Oklahoma, Alabama and Ohio State under Steve Sarkeesian. Three and seven in some of the biggest games that they're going to play during a year. They are now 9 and 15 in one score games.
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Bud Elliott
What are they if you throw Georgia in there three and nine.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, that might be Georgia Included in there too. I might need to fix that note in there. Thank you.
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Bud Elliott
Look at me helping.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, I know. Yeah, helping. Friends caught something in editor dinner.
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Bud Elliott
They.
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Tom Fernelli
Do you remember when Shoot. Who's the right tackle they lost in spring or. No, not the spring. It was in fall camp, wasn't it?
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Chip Patterson
No, no. Goosebie was banged up but he had two bad penalties today.
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Tom Fernelli
No, not, not Goosby. Who was the backup tackle like who they liked a lot. Was it, was it Kojo?
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Chip Patterson
Oh yeah. Kojo got banged up in fall camp.
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Tom Fernelli
I mean I think Texas is thin on the offensive line. Nick Brooks today 71 PFF grade 40 pass blocking grade 0.0 to pull the animal house. I mean literally a zero. I just pulled up PFF grades here.
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Bud Elliott
I, I am not going to defend the Texas offensive line because it, it didn't play well and I have not watched the All 22. But when I was watching this game there were six sacks of arch and there were guys that were coming unblocked for me. I don't put that on the offensive line. I think if you look at what Florida was doing defensively, they were confusing the ever living crap out of Arch Manning. He had no idea what he was looking at. He had no idea what he was looking at. He had no idea where it was coming from. And for him for the pre snap, trying to get your offensive lines protect, get the protection set, let everybody know where they're supposed to be blocking. I don't think he was getting them in the right positions or telling them the right information because there were too many unblocked guys for my taste to think that they were getting wrong. And Chip, you mentioned the false starts.
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Tom Fernelli
So you think it's protection.
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Bud Elliott
Okay, yeah. And you mentioned those false starts, Chip. I think a quarterback has to wear that a lot more often than the offensive line does. I think the cadence was messed up and you were in a. Again, I am not defending the offensive line because once the ball was snapped their performance was dog doo doo too. But the pre snap procedures, I think if you, if you talk to Sark and get him off the record and get him. To be honest, I think he would tell you that was the worst part of the game was what Arch was doing pre snap. Just not getting the protection right in any of that stuff.
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Tom Fernelli
I could see that. So you think more of the free, like the free runners at the QB were on him not getting the protections right as opposed to him. Not like, like. Because obviously a lot of times we have a free runner at the quarterback to Protect. Depending on where he's coming from, it's on the QB to like just, you know, see him side adjust it and get it out.
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Bud Elliott
Okay.
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Chip Patterson
It.
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Tom Fernelli
I just feel like they're so unbalanced. Like they're just. They don't run the ball at all. LSU runs it better than they do and we dog LSU for like completely being unable to run the ball like constantly. Yeah, I mean, this, this looks like like an 8 and 4 type football team. You know, they're not what that, that's not what they paid for in Austin for sure.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, they already. Here was the way when I was writing about it after the game. They can still be a dangerous. One of the most dangerous football teams in the country because dangerous implies that when you get off the bus, you're super talented and if everything clicks. But we've got a half season, five games, but nearly a half season sample set. You're not consistent. You're not good at the details. Your execution is bad. It's just offensively mostly because clear. Clearly the defense has been a lot of fun and we have, you know, highlighted that when we can. But this is. This is a huge dis. I think Texas is the most disappointing team in America given what the expectations that were placed on them coming into the season and given the level of competence, consistency and performance that we've seen through five games are worse. But I'm just saying the gap from expectation, first time ever being number one. And maybe this is why they've never been number one in the preseason.
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Bud Elliott
But I would still say Penn State's more disappointing than Texas because at least Texas is lost on the road to Ohio State and Florida. Penn State once again failed to beat a good team and then followed it up by losing as a four touchdown favorite.
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Chip Patterson
Fair. Yeah, fair.
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Tom Fernelli
We've probably seen number one teams, you know, be worse than this. I would think. Like, I have to go back through to the polar, obviously, but like, oh.
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Chip Patterson
I can tell you it's you. It's the USC Matt Barkley.
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Tom Fernelli
Oh, right. Yeah.
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Chip Patterson
Okay.
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Tom Fernelli
That. That's.
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Chip Patterson
That's sort of my standard bearer from my own sort of like headspace of. Because that was number one finish unranked. Like what, at seven and five or something like that?
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, but see, like, I'm thinking ahead to next week. My brain's in a pretzel here because based on what I saw from Arch in this Texas offense against Oklahoma, I'm trying to figure out how the hell they can fix things in a week to be prepared to take on that defensive front. But at the same time, I don't know if John Mateer is going to be playing in the game for Oklahoma. So that's. I have no idea what to expect from that game next week at this point.
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Tom Fernelli
I guess fair. I. I think I expect. Speaking of under this game went under the FanDuel opener and way over the line, close to.
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Chip Patterson
All right, so what about the Florida side?
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Bud Elliott
They looked like a competent football team. They really did. I think Lagway looked better today than he has at any point this year. They didn't run the ball insanely well, but they stuck to it and they ran it well enough to be effective. Dallas Wilson made his debut. Welcome to the Florida offense, Dallas. Six catches, 111 yards, two touchdowns.
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Tom Fernelli
Just.
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Bud Elliott
They looked like a very much a different team. And it's weird because I, I was saying what on Thursday, I was like, if you're a Florida fan, don't you kind of sneaky want to lose this game because you don't want to start rallying behind Billy? But like, they came out and they played their ass off and they just took down Texas and it's like, clearly they're not going to get to the playoff. They're not going to win the SEC. They're 2 and 3. Like, if they might go on the road and maybe really upset the Aggies next week. Now, based on what I saw today.
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Tom Fernelli
Certainly possible. I mean, those guys do play hard for Billy. Like, I didn't really ever think they quit against Miami. Like, they, they, you know, it was kind of a ball game late. Not, not like, not, not super late. Obviously, Miami closed them out, but it, you really haven't seemed like they've quit. They just don't always look organized in any way on offense.
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Chip Patterson
There were still some moments in this game where escape room. Billy. Yeah.
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Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
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Bud Elliott
You know, hey, what are you.
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Chip Patterson
He, listen, why would you give them, you know, when you could give them 30 seconds? Let's give them 59, right?
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Bud Elliott
You know what? Maybe he was just that confident in his team. He said, yeah, give him the extra time, it ain't gonna matter. Go ahead. Here's a timeout for you boys. Try to beat us. That's what he was doing. I'm taking Billy's side.
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Chip Patterson
This, this win against Texas at home. Florida came out, they took. They got it going early. Crowd was into it. You know, this was the perfect table setter for a mutual parting of ways. A friendly, happy love. You mean it? But we're, we're just gonna, we're gonna Keep moving it on. Like there's a. Every now and then we do have those when a coaching tenure is coming to an end. And it's just, you know, like, I've got some, some specific examples that come to mind that are like a little bit too local. But like John Bunning, for example, when I was in college, they announced he was fired, but they let him coach out the season. And so of course then he goes and beats NC State, right? And he's like, love you mean it. But we're going to hire Butch Davis. Like, already have hired Butch Davis. You just don't know it yet. You know, like, there's like Kevin Keats. NC State basketball took NC State to an ACC championship in a Final Four. Then the very next season, they were like, yeah, but there was a reason why we were about to fire you at the ACC tournament in D.C. so, yeah, you're still out. So Billy gave them like that great moment and. And now it'll be a little bit of a love. You mean it? That's my projection. Unless you think. Unless you feel like this, we've got a big turnaround on our hands.
- [30:47]
Bud Elliott
No, I do not.
- [30:48]
Chip Patterson
Okay. Somebody else's lead the Gators in 26.
- [30:51]
Tom Fernelli
I mean, look, if they get like, if this is actually a building block for DJ to build upon, because I do think Texas sold a pretty good defense, right?
- [31:01]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [31:02]
Tom Fernelli
If he starts to play really well and like, if this is kind of the start of something, then sure. Right.
- [31:11]
Chip Patterson
I'm not.
- [31:11]
Tom Fernelli
He's kind of roller coaster then. No, probably not.
- [31:14]
Bud Elliott
But I don't have coach you could bring in. If DJ Lagway starts playing well, you can be like, do you want to come coach this guy?
- [31:20]
Chip Patterson
That's true.
- [31:21]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. But he loves Billy.
- [31:23]
Bud Elliott
He does. But like, thank you for getting me here, coach, but you know, sometimes things just happen. This way. We could still be friends because it's not like Billy's going to be going to another school as head coach.
- [31:37]
Chip Patterson
I don't have the PFF score pulled up. I don't even have his box score pulled up. I will say, watching that game, the biggest, most successful passing plays felt a lot more like, oh, hey, there's a NFL player who happens to be a true freshman more than like, oh, wow, I've seen great strides. I don't know if Yalls eyes saw it differently, but, you know, the passing game was enhanced by having healthy wide receivers and having one of them be a dude. They haven't had that. They've been banged up like, there's A.
- [32:08]
Tom Fernelli
Lot of yak for sure.
- [32:10]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [32:11]
Tom Fernelli
A lot of yards after the catch. I mean, Wilson at 51 yak, you know, Mizel 23. Vernell had 24. The back obviously backstory have a lot of Yak. They're not going downfield very far. He had 31, you know, sturd event 20 it that. No doubt the receivers made a lot of plays, but I mean lagway wasn't going 21 of 28 for 298 before. Right. Like that's a positive step. But Texas has a good defense. Those guys don't just all of a sudden suck, I don't think. And you hung almost 500 yards on them.
- [32:45]
Bud Elliott
Speaking of yak, I have a stat for later in the show that is wild, I think. Yeah.
- [32:52]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. You've already called this. Did y' all both. I did. Have y' all talked about this yet?
- [32:56]
Bud Elliott
I haven't talked about it.
- [32:57]
Tom Fernelli
No. Is it the game I was at?
- [33:01]
Bud Elliott
No.
- [33:02]
Tom Fernelli
Oh, because there was. There was some yak there for sure.
- [33:05]
Chip Patterson
Let's set that next. Coming up on the other side, going back to Doak Campbell Stadium, a disjointed game. So let's take it apart in chapters. We'll dig into Miami's big win over Florida State. What it means and more Nukes Is your debit or credit card boring. If you could customize it, personalize it, what would you put on your debit or credit card? Well, what about a Cash App card? Because not only do you get those great personalization features, but there is so much more that the Cash App card can offer. If you weren't up to speed already, Cash App is way more than just a safe way to send and receive money. With the Cash App card, you unlock tons of perks without all the fees, enjoy benefits like exclusive early access to nationwide concert pre sales like Kendrick Lamar and Sabrina Carpenter, just to name a couple examples. Plus, there's discounts on everyday purchases and popular brands you're probably already spending money on. Cash App also adds security to your money by declining suspicious card transactions and sending you a notification to make sure the payment is really you. If your card is ever lost or stolen, you can lock it with just one tap right in the app. Spend with confidence with the Cash App card Today for a limited time only, new Cash App customers can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. For real, Just download Cash App. Use our exclusive referral code cover 3 in your profile. Send $5 to a friend within 14 days and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account, terms apply. That's money. That's Cash App. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partners. Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton bank member FDIC Direct deposit roundups, overdraft coverage and discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. Brand. Visit Cash App Legal podcast for full disclosures.
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Chip Patterson
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. And yes, we got it going right before, right as the game was coming to a conclusion. Final score Miami 28, Florida State 22. Like I just said there, there were chapters in this. It, it looked like it was going to be a bloodbath. At one point, those Miami boys doing the war chant into the camera was.
- [36:11]
Tom Fernelli
This rivalry's great, man.
- [36:12]
Chip Patterson
It's gonna be hard for me to forget that one rivalry is pretty awesome. Yeah, bud. Obviously, like you were there.
- [36:21]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [36:23]
Chip Patterson
Where did things start to miss for in your eyes? Like where. Where did things go from? Man, I can't wait to trade paint with these guys. It's gonna be a great game. We broke down the X's and O's. We did like all the different ways we could dissect it at one point. Did what you were watching lead to a new set of expectations?
- [36:43]
Tom Fernelli
You know, honestly, like I thought Florida State really executed their plan on defense in terms of what they wanted to take away and they made Miami answer by throwing the football. They, they shut the rundown exceptionally well. I think it came at the cost of being, you know, really suspect in coverage because you were loading the box so much. And I thought Miami did a really good job. Take advantage of some of the aggressiveness with the screen game with some little arrow routes over the middle and like credit to the Canes. I thought they had a great answer, you know, for what Florida State was trying to do. If you're Florida State, I don't think you can play that in any other way as far as intent and schematics. Like, you know, if you light box them, they're going to bully you like, like you don't have the kind of beef that A Florida or maybe that another dame has. You know, you're going to have to put a lot of guys in the box, take chances. You want to play a high position game. They did that. And you know, Miami's like, this is like, to use a baseball analogy, hey, we're going to make them hit that outside pitch. We're going to make them go the other way with it. And Miami's like, yeah, we can do that. All right, we're going to execute that. We're going to, we're going to throw some of these screens or get Malachi Tony open. We know you guys are going to play downhill and you know, really like, you know, see run, play, run. And I think, as you probably need to when you're playing this Miami team and they hit two play action shots over the top. Beck laid the ball out there exceptionally well, by the way. Like, I, I see some people in the chat here, like, I don't think he was throwing lasers, but like, he wasn't, you know, throwing ducks out there. So like, that was, I think if you're a Miami fan, that's really encouraging. He's never had like a cannon for an arm. It was the first game he's had all year. We didn't have, you know, some kind of rain ball. Didn't look bad. So he was efficient with it. I thought he allowed. This is where I thought Tom was going with the run after the catch stuff. I thought, like, he did a really good job of putting it where Miami's guys could run after the catch. The screen game that they ran was, was really, really well done. I think that is like the answer you had to have. When a team does what FSU does, which is like load the box so much to take away the run. And all due credit to Miami, like, like Malachi Tony made a bunch of good plays. Beck put the ball in the money and they deserve to win the ball game. You know, on the other side, like Florida State drives it down there. You know, first drive looks pretty good. I thought Deuce kind of got mugged there on that play in the end zone. And Norvell's going nuts on the ref. I probably would too. It was like your best chance to score there in the first half. But I thought Miami defensively, they didn't fall for a lot of the fakery. They did a really good job of staying home, staying disciplined. You know, Castellano's, like I said, he's either going to score for you or he's going to score for the other Team, right. There's not a lot of like, all right, cool, let's throw it away and punt the ball type stuff there. Miami did a good job of staying home on a lot of that stuff. And like the interception he throws in the end zone, it's not open, right. And I think it's a first down play. It's like, right, it's time for a shot play. We're going to go it. You know, it's basically the whole like, you know, screw it, I'm chucking a deep meme, right? And he did. And like, that's double coverage that's picked on first down. Way to go there. After, like you had a decent little drive going, you know, you out gain Miami. But I felt like a lot of it was like between the twenties and not really like consequence, like consequential yardage, you know, and Miami State discipline on defense. That's what you have to do against Florida State offense. They're just a better team. Like they played well, I thought. And also, Mario didn't really screw it up with some of like the fourth down decisions. He, like, there were no, I know they went into a shell, obviously give 19 points in the fourth quarter, but like, I didn't think he was making really, really brain dead type decisions that put you in like a real chance to lose, you know.
- [40:11]
Chip Patterson
Also, did you see, I can't remember if it was Fletcher that was leaking out on the fourth down play where Carson tossed it, but he got bumped by an off his teammate, like he was trying to leak out, got bumped by the offensive lineman and so he wasn't in the right spot at the right time. Like that. That could have iced the game right there.
- [40:30]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. Oh, for sure.
- [40:33]
Chip Patterson
I'm not criticizing the decision, but it was just, you know, it felt like everything was going wrong and. And Miami started having dumbass penalty.
- [40:40]
Tom Fernelli
It's the right decision to go though, right?
- [40:42]
Chip Patterson
Right, Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
- [40:44]
Tom Fernelli
Like, yeah, sometimes Mario makes like just inexplicably incorrect decisions. Like, just not like, like not bringing the blackjack card to the tape, you know, and it, when you double down or you ask for hit the cars don't always go your way, but at least it's the right. It's the correct strategic play. And I thought he, I thought he did fine with it, you know.
- [41:03]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. I mean.
- [41:06]
Bud Elliott
I talked about Miami's what I thought their defensive plan was going to be for this game, which was going to be to just keep Castellanos in the pocket and either Force him to beat you with his arm or try to get him to scramble. But, you know, you're in kind of like a zone, and you can just hope to chase him down before he busts up in big ones. And that's what they did, and they did a good job of it. And Castellano threw the ball 45 times. There's nobody on that Florida State coaching staff who was going into this week hoping that Tommy Castellanos was going to throw the ball 45 times.
- [41:32]
Chip Patterson
How many times he throw against Alabama? 18 or something like that?
- [41:35]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, something like that.
- [41:36]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [41:36]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Like you wanted to just be able to run the ball and mess this defense up. But, like Bud said, like, kudos to Miami because, like, I think that, to me, is the one genuine difference this year. And it's. This is why what I saw tonight has me convinced that this is a legitimately, really good football team. Yeah, like, the defense last year was what killed them time and time again. It's what kept them in games that they shouldn't have been in, and it's why they lost games they shouldn't have lost later in the year. It's probably why they should have lost some games earlier in the year. The fact that they were able to stay as disciplined as they were despite all the bells and whistles and all the kind of stuff that Florida State's doing to get you to, you know, to get your eyes going where they're not supposed to be or just to get you out of position. They didn't make the mistakes like maybe one guy did here or there. But as far as the unit was considered, they were extremely disciplined in their gaps in everything, their assignments, which kind of limited what Florida State was going to be or be able to do. And then, yeah, Florida State started moving the ball in the fourth quarter, but the game was over. It was 28 to 3. Miami was just kind of dropping back and letting them do that. So what I saw from that defense tonight is what has me convinced that Miami is legit. They are gen. They're clearly, I think, the best team in the acc. I'll be shocked at this point if they're not in the College Football Playoff. And I think that once they get there, they'll probably make some noise. They might get to the semis, they might get to the title game. Hell, they might win it. I don't know. It depends on how good the offense really, truly ends up being. But I do think that the offense is special in that Carson Beck is good enough. He made the Throws was able to push the ball vertically. Malachi, Tony is legit now because like we have seen Tony against Notre Dame. Tear up the Irish. We saw him tonight against Florida State. Tear up the Seminoles. Seven catches, 107 yards, two touchdowns. C.J. daniels has stepped up. Chip, as you mentioned, he's doing the war chant right into the camera after both of his touchdown catches.
- [43:34]
Tom Fernelli
Just, it's that guy just.
- [43:36]
Chip Patterson
He's on his what third? He was, he was Liberty to lsu.
- [43:39]
Bud Elliott
Liberty to LSU out of Miami. Yeah.
- [43:41]
Chip Patterson
And whatever. I am here. I am here and I am in the lore forever for this now.
- [43:47]
Bud Elliott
I mean that's, that's, that's a legitimate football team right there. There's, you kind of have to just know that's who they are now going forward. Like if they get upset, it's a huge upset.
- [43:59]
Chip Patterson
So CBS Sports 136 ballots are due at 5pm Sunday already. Sources indicate there are some voters who are considering putting the U up at number one. I know one vot had them at number one. Is that a valid in your eyes? You don't have to reveal your own ballot or your own stance. But I am. We'll get to the AP Top 25 projections in tomorrow's Top 25 today a little bit later on in the show. I do think they will have more first place votes. You know that seems very obvious but do you think that how much do you give to Miami showed you on Saturday night that they are worthy of being considered a number one team?
- [44:46]
Tom Fernelli
For me it's still Ohio State until an eight but I think they're in the conversation.
- [44:52]
Chip Patterson
I think, I think you were, you were at the table but I'm just not going to bump Ohio State in Oregon yet.
- [45:01]
Bud Elliott
Like if you put them at number one.
- [45:02]
Tom Fernelli
Good. If you wanted to. I don't, I don't really disagree with it. I think Ohio State's the best but like it's not like they'd be a touchdown over Miami on a neutral field.
- [45:12]
Bud Elliott
If you put them in number one. I'm not going to argue with you. I mean I'll respect your opinion on it. But yeah, I'm not moving Ohio State.
- [45:17]
Tom Fernelli
Out of number one.
- [45:18]
Bud Elliott
I know if you just go based off of resume you can argue Miami has the better overall wins because they do.
- [45:23]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [45:24]
Bud Elliott
But Ohio State has been just clinical. Like there's Ohio State has shown no reason to knock them at this point because they're just going out and they are beating the hell out of everybody. So since that Texas game, I haven't.
- [45:38]
Tom Fernelli
Looked at the updated title odds yet, but I'm assuming it's like Ohio State, Miami, Oregon, Big gab, everybody else, just because path.
- [45:50]
Bud Elliott
Let's see. Ohio State's 430 at FanDuel, Oregon's 550, Alabama's at 700, Miami's 850, Georgia's 950, and then there's the gap to Texas at 1700.
- [46:02]
Tom Fernelli
I would rather have Alabama or I'd rather have Miami at 800 than Alabama at 7.
- [46:07]
Bud Elliott
Just.
- [46:10]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, like, who's beating Alabama?
- [46:15]
Tom Fernelli
I mean, look, Georgia almost beat Alabama, right? Georgia has no. Georgia has no pass rush. Miami has some real pass rush. Alabama looks real good. But also this is the first, like, legitimate passing offense that Vandy's played so far. I don't know if we want to transition here yet or hit a break.
- [46:34]
Chip Patterson
But why. I mean, if. Let's also say what else? Anything else here that we should pick apart. I mean, look, Florida State just lost two games in a row. Are you concerned at all about Florida State keeping this thing on the tracks?
- [46:49]
Tom Fernelli
Of course. Yeah. Norvell's done a terrible job of riding a ship after they go on a little bit of, like, a losing streak. Yeah, like, there's no evidence that he gets that turnaround. I mean, I. Yeah, I got Pit.
- [47:00]
Bud Elliott
Next week and Pit whooped the crap out of Boston College today.
- [47:03]
Tom Fernelli
Pit finally benched a quarterback. You know, I wasn't wrong. What wasn't wrong? Just early.
- [47:10]
Bud Elliott
Same on Nico with me. I wasn't wrong. I was just early, early.
- [47:15]
Chip Patterson
So I did not. That game was in the 12 o' clock slate, right? Yeah, dude. Hey, bud, I was telling Tom. Do you know what real teamwork is? Real teamwork is when your whole row on the three rows side by side on the plane, you all agree to put on a different game. Okay, so you've got, like, Michigan. You got, like, Michigan on this one. I got Iowa State, Cincinnati on this one. You know, we got Clemson, North Carolina on this one. And, you know, we can take in as much as possible. You know, that was. But I did not have. I did not have eyes on Pit. Boston College, when I reached out to people who were paying closer attention to the game, here was. Here was the quick take. And I don't know if you. You had eyes on this one. It was. Boston College could not cover pits receivers. And it was just like, very obvious from the jump. I don't know if that's necessarily a quarterback upgrade as much as it is a Boston College deficiency where Boston College is a Little bit of a. Oh, you know how if this is a problem here, there's a lot more teams at Boston College is going to play this year and right now they've only got one win on the season.
- [48:21]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, like they were. I thought they were a better team than Michigan State in that ball game, but obviously they also lost to what? Stanford. Just get it done. Did they beat Cal? Trying to remember now.
- [48:36]
Chip Patterson
No, no, Cal's only lost last week.
- [48:40]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, the, the difference is like the offense cratering is 216 yards at a BC that had looked pretty good, you know on offense so far this year. That's. Narduzzi does this sometimes defensively like pit exploding for 500 yards with a true freshman quarterback is. That's notable for sure.
- [49:02]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. That was, it was just like I think that they found a matchup advantage and just crushed it all throughout the afternoon.
- [49:08]
Tom Fernelli
We know BC's defense is not very good, but at the same time like 500 yards and this many points is. Is pretty wild.
- [49:16]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Blue Devils woke up. They've been. They trailed by 14 points at two different times this game. Knocking on the door right now before the end of the first half. It's tied 21. 21.
- [49:25]
Bud Elliott
What a rally by the ACC, huh?
- [49:27]
Chip Patterson
What a rally.
- [49:28]
Bud Elliott
What a rally. Yeah.
- [49:30]
Chip Patterson
How about them? All right, let's hit a break. Coming up on the other side, Alabama exacted revenge. Diego Pavia was practicing taking meals during the warm ups in Brian Denny Stadium. I mean don't quit. Yeah, don't quit being you, but yeah, you didn't get to kneel it out. No, no, no, that was, that was Alabama. We'll get into all that and more nukes.
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- [51:03]
Chip Patterson
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. Looked like a little bit of a dog fight. We had explosive plays. We had the old shovel pass. You know, we had a tie game at halftime. Then Alabama came up with the scores and the stops that they needed. Forced a couple of turnovers, had a couple turnover on downs coming down the stretch, and ultimately showed a little bit of a, a medal, a caliber like a, a winning, a winning level that I think is encouraging. If you do want to buy into this Alabama stock coming out of the, the, the last couple of games. I'm not. Tom. Are you, Are you changing your mind on Alabama in a drastic way from, from what you saw from the impressive win against Georgia, or does how does the Vanderbilt result the way it happened sort of build our analysis of this team?
- [52:04]
Bud Elliott
I think this was a big game for two people in particular. Ty Simpson, I think, just continues to establish himself as maybe the best quarterback in the country right now because it's not just like, you look at the numbers and they're good. It's 23, 31, 340 yards, two touchdowns. He had interception. But it was a lot of the throws he was making where like just there was, you know, running full speed to the sideline and just able to just buy an extra fraction of a second before stepping out of bounds and flipping a ball to his receiver after the defender leaves him to help get a first down. There was another time where he was going to his left and he stopped and he was able to throw back over towards the middle of the field the receiver to help get a first down. He was just making those kind of, you know, off platform, off schedule throws that, you know, everybody loves to see. But he's also making all the throws from inside the pocket too. So like he's looking like a complete quarterback and he's looking like a completely different human being than the guy I remember from that South Florida game a couple years ago when he first saw, when we saw him for the first time, when Alabama was still trying to figure out who its quarterback was. Then the other person I think that had a huge game was Kane Womack, because in the first half of this game when it was 14 to 14 at halftime, Vandy, like they weren't, they didn't, they weren't as unstoppable as they were last year, but they were doing a lot of the things that they had done last year that were able to help Them move the football and help keep them in the game. And Diego Pave was making plays and they weren't hitting a bunch of huge shots but they were just hitting enough shots to get keep things going and putting points on the board. And then in the second half they didn't do it anymore. So whatever they did, they went into the locker room, they realized what was working for Vanderbilt and they took it away. And that is just something we have not seen them do against any kind of quarterback like this one that they have faced. And since Kane Womack has taken over this defense. So I think this was a huge step forward for the defense. I think Ty Simpson is establishing himself as one of the best quarterbacks the country. I think Jam Miller had a phenomenal game. I think Jeremy Bernard and Ryan Williams are very good. I think Alabama is kind of really climbing up. Like if we're going to put Ohio State, Oregon and Miami is the top three, I think there's a very good claim that Alabama's four.
- [54:17]
Tom Fernelli
I, I don't know that I'm really changing my opinion on this much. Like this is given how this game played out as far as moving the football, this is probably the fewest number of points you could possibly have on the scoreboard for both teams. Right? Bama has to.
- [54:32]
Chip Patterson
Oh like red zone stops, red zone failures.
- [54:36]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, like this game went under the total by double digits and if you could you would turn around and bet the over for more. I think next time like based on how they move the football. Although Bama did make nice adjustments there in the second half but Vandy turns it over twice in the red zone like back breaking. I thought that like the drive to answer that before the half was a really nice drive, you know, by Ty Simpson. I don't know that Bama's defense is, is super good. I think the offense is really nice. I do want to see them finish drives in. In the reds. Like that's a lot of field goals you're settling for. But they, they play keep away on of any team that usually like tries to play keep away way for sure. I just their receivers are really good. Offensive line is pretty damn good, man. And I agree like Simpson's playing really good football. I the defense like man like Vandy still moved it pretty well. They just didn't have the ball in the second half. Like Bama just never let him have that. They had like 10 minutes of possession there in the second half. Bama had 37 minutes of possession. Overall it was just like they're still allowing 6.1 yards to play to Vandy, which is not great. Yeah, like so KTK in the chat. Yes. Bama's defense is allowed seven points in the last two second halves for sure. They seem to be making good adjustments there. No doubt. I think their defense is also being aided by an offense that can hold on to football, you know, for a long time there in the second half. I just.
- [56:15]
Chip Patterson
And there's some leverage to it too.
- [56:16]
Tom Fernelli
Like we think they should score 50. Yeah.
- [56:20]
Chip Patterson
We think about the way that this Alabama defense is, is built, like the way that Kane Womack's going to call it is going to be a little bit different if we know exactly what they're going to do. And when Vanderbilt jumps out to an early lead and when it's a little bit of a back and forth, that's going to be very different than when all of a sudden you've been able to score a couple touchdowns coming out of halftime, establish a little bit of a cushion and make Diego Pavia a little bit less unpredictable, a little bit more predictable.
- [56:50]
Tom Fernelli
So let me ask you this. We talked about like who we had 1, 2, 3 is Bama for. Bama has not played a quarterback who we think is going to be a draft pick yet. Right.
- [57:02]
Chip Patterson
So I don't, I'm. I. Now that we're into conference play, Castellanos.
- [57:05]
Tom Fernelli
Is not getting drafted. Well, Javier, I don't have a good feel but like certainly like not like a top half of the draft projected like as a guy who a team might think would be an NFL starter for them mostly. Right. Stockton is also, I don't know.
- [57:18]
Chip Patterson
It's fine. But the only thing that matters is Beau Pribula.
- [57:22]
Tom Fernelli
Sure.
- [57:22]
Chip Patterson
Like forget, like forget NFL draft. I mean that's why now that we're in conference play, I throw you into a silo. And that's when I say who in the sec? So I don't know if I'm gonna put Alabama at 4. But. But who in the SEC do I feel better about than Alabama?
- [57:35]
Tom Fernelli
I just think a lot of teams can block them. Right.
- [57:38]
Chip Patterson
But who in the SEC they had.
- [57:39]
Tom Fernelli
Two TFLs, two tackles for loss against Vandy.
- [57:42]
Chip Patterson
But who in the SEC feel better about than Alabama?
- [57:47]
Tom Fernelli
I, I had Bama win, win in the SEC last week. So in my playoff projection. So I, I would say nobody right now. But, but there are other teams in the sport who have better quarterback play than what you see in the sec.
- [58:01]
Chip Patterson
Right? We'll see who's healthy in December.
- [58:04]
Tom Fernelli
Do they play? They play Ole Miss. No.
- [58:07]
Chip Patterson
Alabama does not play Ole Miss.
- [58:09]
Tom Fernelli
Like, I think they would score a lot of points at Ole Miss, but, like, I mean, that game might be like 50 to, like 45 if it happens.
- [58:18]
Bud Elliott
We've got, I think, you know, instead of what quarterbacks Alabama's facing. How many teams is Alabama facing with a better quarterback than the one they have?
- [58:27]
Chip Patterson
None.
- [58:28]
Tom Fernelli
Well, they don't play Oregon.
- [58:30]
Bud Elliott
That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, I think that's the best game of the country.
- [58:35]
Chip Patterson
Again, like, I'm just.
- [58:36]
Tom Fernelli
That's fair.
- [58:37]
Chip Patterson
I'm throwing everybody into their own silos. Everybody's got flaws. Nobody's awesome. Like, and everybody who I was told was gonna be an NFL draft pick stinks. Oh.
- [58:49]
Bud Elliott
I mean, and maybe that's why the NFL stinks, folks, is because all the draft picks. Picks suck.
- [58:53]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. I mean, like, are they.
- [58:55]
Tom Fernelli
Are they bye week next week or. They're at Missouri.
- [58:57]
Bud Elliott
They're at Missouri. And it's like it's a noon game, too, so that's like an early day.
- [59:01]
Chip Patterson
And Missouri was off this week.
- [59:03]
Tom Fernelli
FanDuel hasn't posted that number yet. Right.
- [59:07]
Chip Patterson
It's a very good. It's. It's a very interesting.
- [59:09]
Tom Fernelli
So they're. Oh, sorry. But another site with a crown has five and a half at Missouri. I just. I don't know. I want to see him finish in the red zone more. I think they're the best team in the sec. It would not at all shock me if they lose Missouri next week.
- [59:26]
Chip Patterson
It would not shock me either. I agree. They. They still have. If I'm remembering last year correctly, they still have South Carolina, right? Yeah, they saw Missouri, South Carolina, lsu, Oklahoma.
- [59:42]
Tom Fernelli
They get A M. Nope, there's no A M. They get lsu.
- [59:50]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's. If you think Missouri wins that game, probably sit. Because if it's five and a half or six, I bet. I bet that thing gets. Bet up to seven. Oh, in Tennessee, of course.
- [60:00]
Tom Fernelli
Tennessee. Yeah. Like, I think Tennessee can block them. I think Tennessee will score. Yeah.
- [60:11]
Chip Patterson
We'Ll see. I mean, maybe the. Maybe at halftime, Kane Walmat gives them the Michael's. Michael's secret stuff.
- [60:18]
Tom Fernelli
Just. Does Alabama have the weird schedule this year where everybody has an FCS team or a buy before they play them? Because, like, the chat seems to think so. This is more research and more clicking around on the mic than I want to do on the air.
- [60:30]
Bud Elliott
But like I was gonna say, I'm not really. I've got too many windows open as it is. I don't know if I can read it.
- [60:39]
Chip Patterson
All right, let's. Let's keep, keep spinning around. Let's keep spinning around the wheel. I was, I. I did not get eyes on Washington's comeback. I checked out. Okay, please, like tell, tell me when the world happened.
- [60:58]
Bud Elliott
I mean, mostly for those who didn't.
- [61:01]
Chip Patterson
See, Maryland was out to what.
- [61:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, and they lost 24 to 20, giving up 21 points in the fourth quarter. I mean it was just mostly that the defense could not get stops and it wasn't entirely their fault because the defense was very much gassed because they were on the field for the entire fourth damn quarter for the most part because the Maryland offense just really stopped getting the first downs it needed and it stopped getting the plays it had been getting the first, you know, half of the game, first three quarters. And there was also a couple of times where like Malik delivered absolute dimes and the guys dropped him.
- [61:44]
Chip Patterson
Oh, and it's so ours crazy.
- [61:45]
Bud Elliott
We talked about how. We've talked about Maryland like leading the universe and drops by the reason and it continued today. And it's like if they just maybe pull. I think there were two that I saw. I was just like, oh my God. If I think if they just pull one of those in, I think Maryland holds on to win the game. But they didn't. So I mean Washington was got Washington I will say too also Washington just did not look good in the first half of this game.
- [62:10]
Tom Fernelli
Tom Errola had seven drops.
- [62:13]
Bud Elliott
They had seven according to pff.
- [62:15]
Tom Fernelli
It's like I know they go back and re grade stuff. Seven drops.
- [62:20]
Bud Elliott
I mean I knew there was more than three. I didn't think there was seven.
- [62:25]
Tom Fernelli
So three by.
- [62:27]
Bud Elliott
I will say some of those seven accident.
- [62:29]
Tom Fernelli
Well, maybe I should kick that of anger for just on Malik's behalf. One by Dorian Fleming, one by Dewan Williams.
- [62:37]
Bud Elliott
There's one by Farouk that really just. Yeah.
- [62:40]
Chip Patterson
Of.
- [62:41]
Tom Fernelli
I don't, you know, maybe.
- [62:43]
Bud Elliott
Maybe PFF's being cruel.
- [62:44]
Tom Fernelli
No, no, it's wrong that that's combined in the game. I apologize.
- [62:48]
Bud Elliott
Okay.
- [62:49]
Tom Fernelli
Five. Five for Maryland, two for Washington, but still five more than God. He's already leaving the nation in like being the victim of drop passes. This is.
- [62:58]
Bud Elliott
I mean there were some of them I'm not always going to put on the quarterback because some of them are just guys got to reach and they get their hands on them and they can't pull them in. And maybe PFFs counting them as drops, but there were at least two that I saw just beautiful over the shoulders hit dudes right in the Hands and whoopsie.
- [63:13]
Tom Fernelli
Right on. He deserves better than Maryland.
- [63:16]
Bud Elliott
He deserves better than. That's for sure.
- [63:20]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. I mean, come on, dude.
- [63:23]
Chip Patterson
I guess so, Tom, is our takeaway, like, good for Washington? I mean, Washington now, I'm not trying.
- [63:28]
Bud Elliott
I'm not trying to take anything away from Washington. They got off to a terrible start. They got things figured out in the second half and they played much better. And if Maryland had numerous chances to put this game away and just didn't.
- [63:38]
Chip Patterson
If you're looking at the Jed Fish Big Ten era, then you're getting back on that plane. Like, hey, last year we crapped our pants in this situation. This year we. We pulled things together. We found a way to get out with a win. We're 4 and 1 on the season. Like, you're okay. You're still rocking and rolling. But yeah, early on, Damond Williams, Jonah Coleman, like Denzel Boston are like our whole trio of awesome offensive skill position players. They could not do anything even when they got scoring opportunities. Totally ineffective.
- [64:13]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [64:18]
Chip Patterson
I thought that Dave Aranda was fired earlier today when the whole building cleared out and then Baylor came back and beat Kansas State.
- [64:27]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [64:29]
Tom Fernelli
This was a fun game.
- [64:31]
Chip Patterson
I didn't like.
- [64:35]
Tom Fernelli
An entertainment value. This was like maybe the game today, really. It's wild, dude. Like just. This was old school. Big 12. Almost a thousand combined yards. With our new clock rules, it's hard to do. Yeah. Like, this was. If you like offense. I mean, avery threw for 340.
- [64:53]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [64:53]
Tom Fernelli
Okay.
- [64:55]
Bud Elliott
For 72.
- [64:56]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. So Sawyer threw for 345. Just. Yeah, like consistent. A dude open. We're taking it. Let's keep moving the ball. It was. Not a lick of defense was played, but big time comeback in the fourth quarter, obviously.
- [65:14]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, obviously.
- [65:15]
Bud Elliott
Also Baylor left points on the field. They had one. I mean, what was their red zone? They were. Yeah, they had five red zone possessions. Only scored on three of them. They had two turnovers in the red zone.
- [65:27]
Tom Fernelli
They never stopped moving the ball. Really. Like they. Their first drive, field goal. Right. Second drive. Threw a pick on the Kansas State 23. Third drive fumbled at the Kansas State 21. So technically those aren't red zone, but they're as close as you can get to the Reds. I mean, that was. They drives a 76, 36, 70, 75, 23, 60, 82, 28 ball game.
- [65:52]
Bud Elliott
Big 12 football, baby.
- [65:54]
Chip Patterson
Let's go.
- [65:56]
Bud Elliott
I did watch you say it, but it's what it happens every single week. And then they get mad at you when you say that's what Big 12 football is.
- [66:02]
Tom Fernelli
There's another Big 12 game that the fan base always gets mad at us.
- [66:06]
Chip Patterson
Iowa State.
- [66:07]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [66:11]
Bud Elliott
They made it closer than I thought. They were going too early in the game, I'll give them that.
- [66:14]
Chip Patterson
That's on Cincinnati.
- [66:16]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Because I will say. And it's.
- [66:19]
Chip Patterson
Cincinnati had about five chances to put this thing away, and they're like, I don't want to win. You know, I just like, here you come. Come, come. Take another. Another chance at this. Real conservative. I mean, hey, bud, this is gonna shock you. They kind of turtled up and got really conservative. What, Thought the game was over.
- [66:44]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, no, look, I get it because you ran for 260 and your lawn care was only 30. So I. I get kind of like, hey, we're just gonna pound the rock here.
- [66:54]
Bud Elliott
And.
- [66:55]
Tom Fernelli
But Iowa State knew that was coming in the second half. It wasn't like they. Oh, I wonder if they're going to try to run the clock out here.
- [67:01]
Chip Patterson
So, yeah, there also was very clearly about one of my. It. It is not always on my radar, but for whatever reason I've dialed into it is trying to figure out what the point is that a coach gets into a ref's head. And in this second half comeback, it was ineligible receiver downfield. The ultimate judgment call of judgment calls. Cincinnati had about four ineligible receiver downfield penalties as Iowa State's climbing back into this game. And. And listen, we've all talked to coaches. There's the. There's always an eligible receiver downfield in college football these days, and defensive coordinators will complain about it all the time. Matt Kimball's an offensive guy, but he clearly got into an official and he was like, hey, Sourceby is running this, you know, like, call this right here. Because I think it was three different players in about four different penalties, including one guy twice. It was right after Matt Campbell lost his mind on the official over, like, I think a PI call or something like that. He's just chewing into them all into the commercial break. Then all of a sudden, the next possession, we got a whole bunch of ineligible receiver flags. I'm like, I wonder what that talking point was.
- [68:17]
Bud Elliott
You know what the craziest part of this game was? You just touched on it was when Matt Campbell was laying into that ref. Do you know what the announcer said? He said, you don't usually see Matt Campbell getting on refs like this.
- [68:30]
Chip Patterson
I check. That's a Saturday bingo card.
- [68:32]
Bud Elliott
And I was like, what if you've never watched an Iowa State game before? Because Matt Campbell probably gets on refs like that more than any other coach in the country.
- [68:43]
Tom Fernelli
My God. Yeah. Yeah.
- [68:48]
Chip Patterson
I mean, good on Cincinnati. Got a top 15 win, you know, like. But you jumped out to a massive lead and almost choked it away. You did what Maryland didn't, which is, I guess, you know, another great way to thematically connect these. But yeah, tough, tough scene there for, for. It was an exciting. I guess not exciting because it wasn't good football, but it was tense. How about that? It was a tense final couple possessions in the fourth quarter of this game. Cincinnati holds on for the win. Good on the Bearcats. Iowa State takes their first loss and we begin on our path to see which 7 and 2 team will win the tiebreakers to play. Texas Tech.
- [69:37]
Tom Fernelli
Probably Arizona State, but maybe Utah.
- [69:40]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, we'll see. Could be Iowa State.
- [69:43]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [69:43]
Chip Patterson
Because maybe Cincinnati takes a couple of losses and they're not part of the tiebreaker scenario. We'll see.
- [69:51]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [69:52]
Chip Patterson
You know. Any comments on the service Academy over?
- [69:56]
Tom Fernelli
No comment. We'll review next week. Okay.
- [70:00]
Bud Elliott
I'll tell you.
- [70:00]
Tom Fernelli
Did you watch it, Tom?
- [70:01]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I watched it. What we didn't think about was the fact that it's no longer the Department of Defense, it's the Department of War. So there's no defense.
- [70:11]
Chip Patterson
No, Will. No, no, no, no Will. Will Backus had the comment of the day on that one. Pointing out that the government expecting our service academies to defend and the government shut down.
- [70:26]
Tom Fernelli
That's good.
- [70:28]
Chip Patterson
It was a bit of a stretch. A detail that we overlooked. Mayor Culpa Emi.
- [70:34]
Bud Elliott
We should have known.
- [70:35]
Chip Patterson
Government shutdown means we throw the trends out the window.
- [70:38]
Bud Elliott
I was disgusted with what I saw out there today. Just absolute atrocities committed by the defenders.
- [70:45]
Chip Patterson
Space Force could have scored touchdowns on this guy.
- [70:51]
Tom Fernelli
By the way, Cal Duke is 3121 and half.
- [70:55]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, like I said, it was 21 to 7.
- [70:57]
Bud Elliott
Cal.
- [70:58]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [70:58]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [70:59]
Chip Patterson
Cal led 14 nothing and 21 seven. And I got bad news. I don't. I don't know if the Blue. Blue Devils found how they're going to score the rest of the game. Cows defenses might, might, might be have a tough hands there.
- [71:13]
Bud Elliott
It was a great game, though. I mean, it was really, really fun football game. Just the under never had a chance. Eli Heidenreich probably should get some Balitnikov votes as a running back just with some of the catches he made today.
- [71:26]
Chip Patterson
But defense was not good.
- [71:30]
Bud Elliott
No. Did you know that Eli Heidenreich translates to Argentina?
- [71:40]
Tom Fernelli
Other stuff here.
- [71:50]
Chip Patterson
It is quite possible Brian Ives he. Brian Ives works for ESPN and the ACC Network. He and I were at North Carolina at the same time. It's always fun. I love, love catching up with Brian. He always has very good tidbits. And he was the first person to offer up the thought, which is now begun to be proven by data. This might be one of the worst North Carolina football teams of all time. That in the long history of perfectly mediocre football, Bill Belichick, Mr. Six Super bowl rings as a head coach, two more as a defensive coordinator, has accomplished his greatest feat yet. Take a historically 6 and 6 program and drag it down into the depths that usually is only seen when like Carl Torbush or Larry Fedora is about to get fired. And to do it in year one while making $10 million a year and blowing through an nil war chest that exceeds what any previous coach has done, been able to get their hands on. I mean, that's, that's what the Gold Jacket's for. You know, that is a Hall of Fame level accomplishment. The team is bad, historically bad.
- [73:26]
Bud Elliott
I, I lit into Bill on HQ earlier today and I'm not afraid to do it again. I will point out that after today's loss, in games in which Bill Belichick has coached where his starting quarterback has not been Tom Brady, he is now 85 and 107. He has coached 10 full seasons in the NFL without Tom Brady and he went to the playoffs twice. He's now coached one college season without Tom Brady and he's not going to the playoffs this year either. This was a joke higher from the start and it is just becoming a bad joke every single week because Bubba Cunningham did not want to make this hire. Let's not let history forget that this was not Bubba Cunningham's choice. He wanted to go after a Matt Campbell, a John Sumrall, all these other guys that would have made far more sense, but he had this Bill Belichick foisted upon him with people who have far more money than sense. Because somebody just wanted to say, I bought Bill Belichick for North Carolina's football program and you're getting what you paid for. Which was something that was never going to work work because they have no idea how to do this. They went to the transfer portal and they just brought in a bunch of guys and thinking that we're really great coaches, we could scheme our way to wins. Not realizing that at the college game it's great to have an excellent scheme. But you, you don't have the same amount of talent as the team you're facing like you do in the NFL. You need to be better than the other team you're facing, and then maybe your team will help you win some games against other good teams. This is a bad football team, and it is a completely outwitted coaching staff, and it's only going to get worse. And frankly, I think both sides just ripped the band aid off. Because you could talk about Deion not doing well in his first season at Colorado, but Deion came to Colorado with a guy who won the Heisman Trophy and a guy who was going to be drafted by the NFL as a quarterback.
- [75:16]
Chip Patterson
He also didn't have an empty stadium in the third quarter. I mean, that's the thing is, like, it just looks pathetic. And he's getting all these big time slot champions spots. And the university is. Should be embarrassed by the product that is being reflected on national television.
- [75:33]
Bud Elliott
Did you see the clip that ESPN showed the student, the female student at North Carolina.
- [75:39]
Chip Patterson
Oh, Mikey, do we have that?
- [75:40]
Tom Fernelli
No. Well, I didn't see it.
- [75:42]
Bud Elliott
It was hilarious. Mikey, if you. I'll discuss. And maybe Mikey has. It'll put it up. But it was just coming back from a commercial completely cold. There was no intro to it. It's just coming back and they're interviewing a student on the quad. Okay, let's play it.
- [75:55]
Chip Patterson
TCU is. I went to that game and that was. That was one of the saddest feelings I've had in university so far. And I've failed midterms before, so that's saying something. It's an awesome clip. No context.
- [76:12]
Bud Elliott
No context. They just came back from break and played it just like, bam. Look at this. This student says, this is the worst thing ever and I'm failing midterms.
- [76:19]
Tom Fernelli
Okay. Hey, can I ask you a question as a UNC guy? Like, did you watch this whole game of sound on?
- [76:25]
Chip Patterson
No. Okay.
- [76:26]
Tom Fernelli
Because I almost want to put myself through this. It was a Mark Jones game, right?
- [76:31]
Chip Patterson
I. I mean, I did. I didn't hear the.
- [76:33]
Tom Fernelli
He had to be in his bag with all the thesaurus stuff. Like, I'm convinced, like, he has some kind of bet going with Roddy that he can just say, like, the most outlandish, like, thesaurus use possible. Each game, like, one up himself each week. It's, like, totally not appropriate for the situation. He's like, no, like, momentous. But in this game, I bet you'd be actually hilarious. Go back and watch with sound on. It's like, you know, this is like a scrimmage.
- [76:56]
Chip Patterson
I mean, that was the thing is it looked like like we had Gotten inside access. It looked like a Covid game in the Big Ten. You know, do you think we would.
- [77:05]
Tom Fernelli
Run the UNC better than Michael and Marty? Because like, think about it. I understand they wanted to hire a podcaster because it works so well for Vanderbilt. I think there's a non zero chance, man. Like we could like if we were like like the three headed gm we could do a better job than the party's doing.
- [77:22]
Chip Patterson
I, I too thought that was one of the I to me, the moment that was the saddest against TCU was when they had the fourth quarter hype video between the third and fourth quarter and they were down by a billion and they shot off about half a million dollars of fireworks. Which brings me to my next point. David Aubin was sitting right next to me at that TCU game. He also drug himself to actually going to this Clemson game and it was to provide color for a story which he is now up at the Athletic where he has an anonymous group of five coach who shed some incredible light. He said we kept losing guys to UNC who was outbidding us for a group of five players. Which means they have taken this nil war chest and just decided to overspend on group of five players. Players whose market value is far below what they're being paid and they're just paying them more because yeah, let's go, let's go. We can go win every like this. They are going to all of the easy colors on the Monopoly board and being like, I'll give you four times the value. Still charge the same rent.
- [78:34]
Bud Elliott
I just really love Mediterranean man.
- [78:36]
Chip Patterson
That's my jam.
- [78:37]
Bud Elliott
I'm a Baltic guy.
- [78:40]
Chip Patterson
Golly. And yes, I mean the just end.
- [78:45]
Bud Elliott
It, just end it. Move on.
- [78:47]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, they gotta end it, right?
- [78:48]
Bud Elliott
Everybody admit your mistakes.
- [78:50]
Chip Patterson
I don't know. I, I truly. And this was another great point booking. Ludicrous. For a concert that was going to be two hours before kickoff and not considering the possibility that you were going to be a noon kickoff is just another example of the hubris that's been behind all of this. And it's Bill Belichick and Dabo Sweeney. Of course we're going to be in prime time. Look at that.
- [79:16]
Tom Fernelli
I think it's totally fair if you're a triangle school to assume the AC will do whatever the hell you want. You're like, hey, we need tonight gamer. I got you. But like they're like, all right, in this case we can't got you because you guys are like, you know this.
- [79:30]
Bud Elliott
I just my Favorite stat from this game was that Clemson had not scored 28 points in a game this year, and they scored 28 points in the first quarter against North Carolina.
- [79:43]
Chip Patterson
They had. Caleb Wilson is North Carolina basketball's five star freshman, and he came out to, like, address the crowd during the ludicrous concert, and the place was going crazy, and he was like, hey, listen, after the game, like, y' all come down to the blue, white scrimmage. Like, you know, come on down. I mean, listen, this could be a good year. We're gonna win anyway. Go to the football game. He's. He's 18, 19 years old. Like, he didn't mean to do all.
- [80:08]
Bud Elliott
That things we ain't asked, like these guys. So just watch the game and come watch us afterwards.
- [80:16]
Chip Patterson
So. Yeah, I don't. What's the buyout? $1 million.
- [80:20]
Tom Fernelli
Oh, okay. Yeah.
- [80:23]
Bud Elliott
Is that his buyout or is that North Carolina's buyout? Like, I think North Carolina is probably on the hook for more than that.
- [80:31]
Chip Patterson
Okay.
- [80:32]
Bud Elliott
Oh, I don't know. I'm just. I. That would be shocked.
- [80:36]
Chip Patterson
There was the whole, like, at June, because here's the other thing they have given up. They've been beat by 24, 25 plus points in all three power conference games that they've played. And none of those power conference losses have been to teams that are in the top 25.
- [80:55]
Bud Elliott
No, I mean, this was. Clemson treated them like an FCS get right game.
- [81:00]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. It looked like a scrimmage.
- [81:03]
Bud Elliott
And I mean, Clemson called off the dogs.
- [81:07]
Tom Fernelli
If they wanted. Clinton sold out. Seven tackles for loss. Like, it's a little bit concerning Tigers. There was probably some backups in the.
- [81:15]
Chip Patterson
Interview that was up, but like, oh, hell yeah, bud. Coming out of this, like, let's. Let's focus on what Clemson messed up here.
- [81:21]
Bud Elliott
There. There were four Clemson Tigers who threw a pass today. All right.
- [81:25]
Tom Fernelli
Okay. All right.
- [81:26]
Bud Elliott
Although one of them was Anton William Antonio Williams.
- [81:29]
Tom Fernelli
Did you go to concert?
- [81:32]
Chip Patterson
No.
- [81:32]
Tom Fernelli
Like, you did not go to the concert?
- [81:34]
Chip Patterson
Okay, me?
- [81:35]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [81:36]
Chip Patterson
I wasn't back in town yet.
- [81:37]
Tom Fernelli
All right, fair enough.
- [81:38]
Bud Elliott
But he would have.
- [81:40]
Chip Patterson
Listen, absolutely.
- [81:43]
Bud Elliott
Like, move.
- [81:44]
Tom Fernelli
Get out the way.
- [81:47]
Chip Patterson
He said. He said. This is the. This is history, y'. All. The earliest concert I've ever done.
- [81:54]
Tom Fernelli
I went to Florida State basketball practice today. Yeah, he's killing. Killing it. Recruiting, man. Like, actually killing it. So.
- [82:07]
Chip Patterson
All right, let's. What. What else from the day stood out? I did not get a chance to watch Leonard Moore's two interceptions or the four picks by the Notre Dame defense of Maddox Madsen, Jeremiah Love got a little bit banged up, but I think came back into the game.
- [82:23]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, this. I didn't get much on this game. This was happening when a lot of really interesting games were going on, so it kind of got pushed to the side unless State ever made it interesting, and they never did.
- [82:33]
Tom Fernelli
So what is Kirby mad about? I saw like a press conference clip and I really don't understand the context, so Chat wants to fill me in on that.
- [82:40]
Bud Elliott
That'd be great.
- [82:43]
Chip Patterson
Virginia just being mad. Virginia went into Louisville and came out with the win.
- [82:48]
Tom Fernelli
That. That fumble six on the opening drive ended up being pretty important.
- [82:52]
Chip Patterson
They had a pick six, too. It was a 94 yard scooping score and a pick six.
- [82:57]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. Oh, I thought Nebraska looked good. People think I hate Nebraska. I don't. That's a nice win. Double digits over Michigan State team. That's like. And, okay, like, Michigan State is not awful. Right? And you beat them by double digits. That's. That's a nice win.
- [83:18]
Bud Elliott
All right, well, we're finally at the game. I will bring up the stat. Are you fellas ready for this one?
- [83:23]
Tom Fernelli
I am.
- [83:25]
Bud Elliott
All right. Nebraska running back Emmett Johnson. Now, don't look at the box score. Don't put it up.
- [83:32]
Tom Fernelli
Okay.
- [83:32]
Bud Elliott
Caught six passes for 37 yards. Would you like to guess how many of his 37 receiving yards came after the catch?
- [83:40]
Chip Patterson
Oh, God. Tell me it's all of them. Tell me it's like 41 or something.
- [83:44]
Bud Elliott
63.
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Tom Fernelli
Oh, yeah. Okay.
- [83:50]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, he had 63 yards after the catch and finished with 37 total. And this is just. That's. I'm not going the same rant, but, man, do we love throwing screens behind the line of scrimmage in this Nebraska offense. Just. We live for. For it. It's all we do. And eventually we break a couple of them and we make the game look a lot bigger than it was. But. Yeah, I just. Nebraska finished with 261 yards of offense. Yeah, there were nine sacks in this game between the two teams. There were 19 tackles for loss. Neither one of these offensive lines coded themselves in glory, but I just. Yeah, congrats on the win. There were.
- [84:34]
Tom Fernelli
There were three touchdown drives in this game that were less than 40 yards, including two that were less than 20. It was a win game.
- [84:44]
Chip Patterson
You know, it was windy.
- [84:47]
Tom Fernelli
Oh, for sure. Very windy. Yeah. Illinois cannon game.
- [84:56]
Bud Elliott
Two years in a row. It's first time since 2002 we've won it two years in a row, so eat it, Purdue, you dorks. Go Purdue.
- [85:06]
Chip Patterson
Purdue. Plucky. Purdue can't get stops.
- [85:09]
Bud Elliott
Go draw a rocket arc or whatever the hell it is you people do over there. Yeah, I'm happy with the win. Luke altmire was incredible. 1922, 390 yards. Hank Beatty, five catches, 186 yards. Still very concerned about the defense?
- [85:24]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [85:27]
Bud Elliott
Lot. Lots of, lots of bad tackling in that game from the Illini.
- [85:31]
Chip Patterson
But you were playing against Purdue's defense, so just like once, once you build that cushion, then all of a sudden you extend the lead. Now all of a sudden you've limited the versatility of, of Purdue. So I'm wondering, I'm wondering if, if Purdue's gonna be a sneaky over team just sort of the rest of the way.
- [85:54]
Bud Elliott
I mean, if their defensive backs keep running into each other at the alarming rate they were running into each other in this game, then yes, because they're going to give up a lot of.
- [86:03]
Chip Patterson
Points and I feel like they're always going to be good for about 17 to 20.
- [86:08]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, I think that's fair.
- [86:10]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [86:12]
Tom Fernelli
Did you get eyes on A M? Did you get eyes on Ohio State?
- [86:17]
Chip Patterson
I did. I had Texas A M, Mississippi State. I had less Ohio State. Once they took control of the game and like finally got into rhythm, I was like, okay, here we go now. Now Minnesota is just gonna in the, be in the chokehold the rest of the way. The Texas A&M third down defense over the last two weeks has been good. I mean, it's just, it's been like they are not a team where I feel like I'm running up and down the depth chart and I'm watching them and I'm like, oh, that guy and that guy and that guy. They don't, they don't overwhelm me. But they are, they are showing up on the gotta have it downs. They're getting some stops. Mississippi State is a better offensive team to me than Auburn is. And I thought they did a really good job of getting control of that game and then being able to pull away Tech. Texas A M looked like they were because they were so slow starting offensively against Mississippi State tonight. You were. I kind of had it on a. Oh, oh, let's see what happens here. But I thought Texas A M's defense kind of carried the way and that was. Oh, I was ready to dog that defense. Right. Just sort of the way they started the season. So that was. Mike Elko was right. Maybe we need to pay. Pay that group with a little bit more respect.
- [87:42]
Bud Elliott
The key to them being so good in third downs today was Just State was in third and long every single time. Yeah, so I mean they were 1 for 10 and there was. The average distance they needed was 11.4 yards. It's hard to succeed that way.
- [87:56]
Tom Fernelli
I, I think I'm starting to buy in on A M. Me too. Reuben Owens, like former five star back, has battled injuries a lot. Like when healthy, he was very, very talented. They were 51 for 303 on the ground today. He was 21 for 148. Like. And look, I get it. Mississippi State's run defense is not good. That's how Arizona State came back in that ball game, by running the football. Tennessee could run it pretty well. And then like I know that's, that's not a good run defense and maybe Mississippi State is just out of gas, but like Moss, they're going down and Owens looking good is pretty encouraging for them. Also, 9 TFLs in 51 plays is incredible like that. That's, that's not really a winning formula if you're the Bulldogs. A and m had almost 40 minutes of possession too. Like they just. In a game it's like, all right, A M's not gonna be real tempo, obviously. Mississippi State wants to be heavy tempo. They just controlled it.
- [88:52]
Chip Patterson
Good win.
- [88:53]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, yeah, it's a good multi score win over, you know, a team in state that's clearly improved or where they were last year.
- [89:02]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [89:05]
Tom Fernelli
I watched some of the Ohio State highlights. That defense is insane, dude.
- [89:10]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that like. And the thing was Minnesota took the opening drive down and they, you know, stopped them, held him to a field goal. But then once we got like second possession, third possession, fourth possession, fifth possession, I was like, okay, well you're not. They literally did not score again. So only a matter of time until. Till. Till that offense found ways to get rolling. Did you see Ryan?
- [89:34]
Tom Fernelli
They play as much man coverage as some of these highlights suggest they did because Tayton Smith went 16 for 250 combined. No, Minnesota like the Minnesota trying to man up Ohio State. I didn't watch the whole game, I just watched the highlights. It looks like they're just like, yeah, we can check you and better check that again because like they did not check that.
- [89:54]
Bud Elliott
I had it on. It was like three nothing late in the first quarter. And then next thing I knew it was 14 to three Ohio State. And then it just kind of. I got pushed to the side there.
- [90:03]
Chip Patterson
Michigan did not cover itself in glory nor the line. Oh, shout out to Chris, had his Florida State blazer on, came up to.
- [90:13]
Tom Fernelli
The mic, told us I Will say.
- [90:18]
Bud Elliott
They were much better in the second half.
- [90:21]
Tom Fernelli
How many field goals did they miss?
- [90:24]
Chip Patterson
I just saw Zavatomics missed the chip shot early.
- [90:27]
Tom Fernelli
Okay.
- [90:28]
Chip Patterson
Definitely should. Should not.
- [90:29]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, he finished one of. So he only missed the one. But they were better in the second half.
- [90:33]
Chip Patterson
Like some of that too is going to be the, the way that they're just leaning on you with the ground game and then eventually you break and then they break off the long runs.
- [90:43]
Bud Elliott
And they had 300 yards in the second half.
- [90:47]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [90:49]
Tom Fernelli
All right.
- [90:50]
Chip Patterson
Any, any other games before we hit a break and then get to some tomorrow's top 25 today.
- [90:58]
Tom Fernelli
I mean we've done like an hour on. On what was not an amazing Saturday by ours.
- [91:02]
Chip Patterson
It was an amazing Saturday. It was an amazing afternoon slate. Sorry, let me catch.
- [91:06]
Tom Fernelli
We had a good time.
- [91:07]
Bud Elliott
Took care of Houston.
- [91:09]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, Houston lost Connor Wegman, but then Zeon, then Zeon came in and like had an explosive pass play. His very first play. And then they, they, they squeezed the life out of him.
- [91:22]
Bud Elliott
After that, Georgia didn't play with its food and covered a spread.
- [91:28]
Chip Patterson
30. Barely 35.
- [91:29]
Bud Elliott
Barely. But they covered it. They covered it, those sons of bees. Northwestern showed the pride that I demanded.
- [91:36]
Tom Fernelli
Oh, yeah, you got me on that one.
- [91:38]
Bud Elliott
Yep, that's right. How's your Ulm money line doing, bud? You can't measure heart.
- [91:43]
Tom Fernelli
No, bro, but it was like 42 to 7.
- [91:45]
Bud Elliott
Yes.
- [91:46]
Chip Patterson
That was snow on the ground in Laramie, right?
- [91:49]
Bud Elliott
Hail.
- [91:50]
Chip Patterson
Hail.
- [91:52]
Bud Elliott
That's how much hail fell.
- [91:54]
Tom Fernelli
You could mark Nevada as loss against, against Fresno. I'm pretty sure.
- [92:01]
Bud Elliott
Haven'T looked at that. Let's see where it's at. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
- [92:04]
Chip Patterson
How about Memphis is the only six zero team in the country.
- [92:10]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [92:12]
Chip Patterson
And we'll see. Are they gonna have a little number beside their name? Coming up on the other side, we turn our attention to the new AP Top 25 poll. Who's in, who's out, where the team's going to move and more nukes.
- [92:27]
Tom Fernelli
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- [93:25]
Bud Elliott
Today.
- [93:30]
Chip Patterson
Back here on the COVID 3 podcast. Each and every Saturday night, we make some predictions. We try to let you know how we think the new AP Top 25 poll is going to look on Sunday. We call it tomorrow's top 25 today. So, Bud Elliott, do you think there is an argument that is fair to not rank Penn State and Texas?
- [93:59]
Tom Fernelli
An argument?
- [93:59]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [94:00]
Tom Fernelli
Like, do I still think they're top 25 teams? Kind of. The resume is not really great right now, but at the same time, if you're like, you know, hey, Penn State did play Oregon to overtime, double overtime.
- [94:13]
Bud Elliott
Right.
- [94:14]
Tom Fernelli
Then that does show a certain, like, that's if you're just like grading the game and not just like, hey, you know, binary win, loss. Right. If you're like a non binary grader of games, Chip, then I think there's a real good argument for Penn State to continue to be ranked. But you also lost 42 CLA, so maybe just like a little time and time out would be good.
- [94:35]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [94:36]
Tom Fernelli
And then maybe, you know, if they go on a run and win some ball games, Fluid.
- [94:41]
Chip Patterson
Is what you're saying correct?
- [94:42]
Tom Fernelli
That that is correct. Yeah. I didn't plan that. By the way, we're in like the 70th minute, 90 90th minute.
- [94:50]
Chip Patterson
It's been a, it's been a, it's been a long week.
- [94:52]
Tom Fernelli
I forgot we started games.
- [94:54]
Bud Elliott
I don't care, man. Just, just live your life, right?
- [94:56]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Hell yeah. It's your ballot. All right. You know, love is love.
- [95:03]
Bud Elliott
Rankings are rankings.
- [95:05]
Chip Patterson
Rankings are rankings. I, I, I, I predict they will both still be ranked. I predict some voters will have both of them off. I mean, because I said Memphis has more power conference wins than Penn State and Texas combined.
- [95:24]
Bud Elliott
It's true. They do.
- [95:25]
Chip Patterson
They do.
- [95:26]
Bud Elliott
I mean, I would, I would argue, I, I think both will still be ranked. I would argue that at this point in the season and it's the same argument I was making with Notre Dame earlier in the year. If you think they're good enough that they deserve to be ranked, that means they'll probably be ranked again. So you could take them out for a week and you can put in some of these 5.05and1 teams that maybe wouldn't ordinarily get your attention. Attention, but they're playing better than those two teams right now.
- [95:53]
Chip Patterson
They should be behind Illinois. Illinois was at 22 before.
- [96:00]
Bud Elliott
Illinois certainly has better wins than they do.
- [96:02]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, but there is the other half of that coin.
- [96:07]
Bud Elliott
Right, which is like the 53 point loss.
- [96:11]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, but Illinois only has one.
- [96:15]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I know, but 53 point loss I think you can argue should be worth two.
- [96:19]
Tom Fernelli
It might count as two.
- [96:20]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [96:20]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [96:21]
Chip Patterson
What about Vanderbilt, which just took its first loss.
- [96:27]
Tom Fernelli
So their wins are South Carolina and Virginia Tech, who lost at home to Wake Forest.
- [96:34]
Chip Patterson
I don't know if you've seen that Wake Forest team.
- [96:37]
Tom Fernelli
I, I mean, I did. I, I sprinkled them. I, I have seen them. I'm a believer. Dicker's a good coach. You know, just like they should have beaten your house.
- [96:47]
Bud Elliott
I think he's not going to put his feet on the table.
- [96:50]
Tom Fernelli
They got Robbie Ashford playing well, like.
- [96:52]
Chip Patterson
That guy can coach the South. South Florida has better wins than Penn State and Texas.
- [97:00]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah.
- [97:01]
Bud Elliott
Boise State win got a little weaker today.
- [97:03]
Chip Patterson
It's true.
- [97:04]
Bud Elliott
I mean, they lost a two loss Notre Dame.
- [97:06]
Tom Fernelli
So they, they did be Boise. Worse than Notre Dame.
- [97:11]
Bud Elliott
Be Boise.
- [97:11]
Tom Fernelli
Right.
- [97:12]
Bud Elliott
Mm.
- [97:14]
Chip Patterson
So I. The prediction is Penn State and Texas ultimately do stay in. In the twenties. And I like what you called it, bud. We might keep using that. You're in timeout. They're gonna go there. And they lose again, you're gone.
- [97:29]
Tom Fernelli
You know, then you're grounded. Yeah.
- [97:32]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Then. And you're gone.
- [97:36]
Bud Elliott
You're going to your room, young man, and you're not getting any dessert.
- [97:42]
Chip Patterson
Florida State out.
- [97:45]
Bud Elliott
I think probably, yeah.
- [97:47]
Tom Fernelli
I mean, you've lost a double overtime game to what, a 5 and 1 UVA team, right? You beat Alabama by 14 and you lost by six to Miami. It's a better resume than Texas or Penn State combined.
- [98:07]
Bud Elliott
I don't disagree. But they started lower and we all know that you cannot reconsider your order. The order has to be maintained.
- [98:16]
Chip Patterson
That's a prediction.
- [98:17]
Tom Fernelli
I mean, if Notre Dame is ranked, then Florida State should be ranked.
- [98:21]
Bud Elliott
I agree, but I don't think any of them should be ranked.
- [98:27]
Chip Patterson
Iowa State out.
- [98:31]
Tom Fernelli
The rest of their resume got a little better. Though I will say Not Kansas State, but like Arkansas State beat Texas State.
- [98:38]
Chip Patterson
There is not an AP voter that is going to that level.
- [98:41]
Bud Elliott
That was their first loss.
- [98:43]
Tom Fernelli
But we go to that level for our listeners, right?
- [98:45]
Bud Elliott
That was their first loss. Like if they lost, if that's their second loss, yeah, get them the hell out. But if you're 5 and 1, so what are you doing these two loss teams?
- [98:55]
Chip Patterson
What do you do about Cincinnati which has a head to head win against Iowa State but a loss in Nebraska?
- [99:00]
Bud Elliott
Well, you're only 4 and 1. You're a win short.
- [99:06]
Tom Fernelli
I definitely don't think I will state the top 25 caliber team, but I don't know what the, what the pollsters will do.
- [99:16]
Chip Patterson
My prediction is fallout, but that's because I think that they're gonna, they're gonna have trouble wrestling at this point in the season. How to do all the head to head there where they don't feel like Nebraska should be in. But Cincinnati's got a loss to Nebraska, but Cincinnati's got a win over Iowa State and they're all three one loss teams now.
- [99:40]
Bud Elliott
But Iowa State was 14th last week. Do you really think they're going to fall out over one loss this late in the season?
- [99:45]
Chip Patterson
Your you get propped up by your 0 in the loss column in the same way that teams are going to shoot up on ballots this week just by having a zero. Even if you did not play a game, just being undefeated in October gets you a boost.
- [100:00]
Bud Elliott
But does that one not prop you up considering how many teams now have two losses this late in the season?
- [100:08]
Chip Patterson
Not a ton of two loss teams on ballots.
- [100:14]
Bud Elliott
But okay, I think Iowa State's still ranked. I have faith in the P. That's not really faith. I just think they'll still be ranked based on where they were last week.
- [100:23]
Chip Patterson
If you've got a choice between throwing a bone to six and oh, Memphis or trying to wrestle around the Iowa State, you know, head to head transitive property.
- [100:36]
Bud Elliott
They're not putting that much thought into them. We go over these ballots every week. Stop giving these people that much credit.
- [100:43]
Tom Fernelli
Can I give you one who has a zero in the lost column who shouldn't be in like the top 35, much less top 25. BYU. They have beaten Portland State, Stanford, East Carolina, Colorado and West Virginia. I think byu, it's really cool to still be in the preseason in October. Like they have not beaten a top 50 type caliber team yet.
- [101:14]
Chip Patterson
Their best win is a close road victory at Colorado. So there's a ceiling to how high the team can climb On a ballot. But that zero in the lost column means more. The deeper we get into October, the.
- [101:25]
Tom Fernelli
Chat can tell us, like, okay, now talk about Texas wins, Talk about Penn State's wins. We're smart enough. Like, we're not. We're not the AP poll. Like, we can talk about what should be, not just what will be. Right. Like, obviously, like chips column does a great job predicting what will be, but like, CHIP does such a good job that if we didn't want to debate it, we would just stamp it and go to bed 30 minutes earlier. Right. Instead, the segment crushes because you guys want to hear us talk about what should be. Like playing Oregon to double overtime is way more impressive than going undefeated against that slope playing Ohio State to a touchdown. Right? It was, yeah. Touchdown loss. Right? Yeah. Like, that's still way more impressive than beating those teams. Like, none of those teams are top 50 caliber teams, much less top 25, and they won't play one next week in there. Like, Arizona is not terrible, but they're, they're certainly not good. They do play Utah, play Texas Tech.
- [102:21]
Chip Patterson
They've got a whole strip. I mean, yeah, they've got, they've got a run of like all the Big 12 powers all in a row. I mean, their comeuppance, if you believe they are fraudulent, is ahead in the next five weeks. But I think that there's something to be said for the way that BYU has handled its business.
- [102:37]
Tom Fernelli
Like beating West Virginia by three points, handling. Or like.
- [102:42]
Chip Patterson
No, it was about three points.
- [102:43]
Bud Elliott
It was 14.
- [102:44]
Tom Fernelli
Oh, sorry, sorry. Colorado by three. Excuse me. Yes. Yeah, also getting that today, Colorado. Yeah, they didn't have a cover.
- [102:54]
Bud Elliott
They. They had him there for a while. Come on. Just because Josh Hoover kicked down the front door. Listen, I. This goes back to the same thing for me. If, if the poll is meant to be like a, like a document that, you know, just for the history of the season, for the history of the sport. If BYU is not one of the top 25 teams by the end of the year, that'll be reflected in the poll because they will have lost three or four games. They will be knocked out. Right now, they are undefeated. They are tied for first in the Big 12 at this moment, they should be ranked. I'm not saying they should be ranked in the top 10, but if you want to put them at 20, 22, 23, wherever. I have no problem with it.
- [103:31]
Tom Fernelli
This is largely like an argument to schedule crap games to get yourself ranked.
- [103:36]
Chip Patterson
Yes.
- [103:37]
Bud Elliott
Because what does it matter?
- [103:39]
Tom Fernelli
Just keep gaming the system.
- [103:40]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [103:41]
Bud Elliott
You gotta win anyway.
- [103:43]
Chip Patterson
I'm sorry. The 2023 national champions did. The 2024 national champions did.
- [103:50]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah. So you're not wrong.
- [103:53]
Chip Patterson
Just the team that started preseason number two thought they were going to until they lost to. Oh, and for ucla.
- [104:04]
Bud Elliott
Hey look, we're.
- [104:05]
Chip Patterson
Bringing back all the experience just like the last two national champions. Hey look, we got a nice little load management preseason just like the national champions. No, but the problem is you got to be able to hit the gas, be able to, to go when it's time. Yeah, I think that byu, BYU does get a little bit of credit. You can call it brand bias. Or you could say, hey, they were tied for first place in the Big 12 last year. You know, a little bit carryover for sure. Yeah. Texas, Penn State and Clemson, all top four teams in the AP poll. Combined 8 and 7 record. Weird year at the top of the rankings again. I think Miami will get some first place votes. I do not think they will jump Ohio State for the number one spot. A lot of stale movement as you've got. Ole Miss was off, Indiana was off. Texas Tech took care of business without too many issues. LSU was off. Georgia handled business against Kentucky. Tennessee was off, Georgia Tech was off. Missouri was off. So you've got like right there in the, you know, just in around number 10, all the way down to number 16 or so. And then the losses of those teams just sort of led to. Everybody just gets hoovered up just a little bit. Also cushions the landing for Vanderbilt after the loss to Alabama. If it wasn't for all of the other teams that lost, they would find themselves much further down. I think they probably land somewhere close to 20, 21 or so after taking their first first loss of the season. So be sure to check out over@cbssports.com the official predictions. New AP poll comes out on Sunday. We'll of course hit it as part of our Monday episode. Upon further review.
- [105:57]
Bud Elliott
I asked you this before. Do you think that you're tomorrow's top 25 influences the poll?
- [106:04]
Chip Patterson
I know it used to. Some of the voters have changed over though.
- [106:10]
Tom Fernelli
Okay.
- [106:10]
Bud Elliott
Because I feel like, you know, because that gets, it's up on the site now. A lot of these voters having to put in their ballots now that their nights of work are maybe coming to an end. They want to do it before they go to bed. Don't want to wake up early to do it. Maybe they're just clicking on CBS to see what Chip thinks it'll be. We'll be like, yeah, let's just Vote that way.
- [106:29]
Chip Patterson
I think.
- [106:30]
Bud Elliott
Are you an influencer?
- [106:32]
Chip Patterson
No.
- [106:33]
Bud Elliott
Are you the A people? Are you the person we should be yelling at instead of Ralph Russo?
- [106:42]
Tom Fernelli
Influencer spelled backwards is unemployed goofball. That's what it is.
- [106:53]
Bud Elliott
Is that Marin?
- [106:55]
Chip Patterson
No, it's. It is truly a chef from.
- [106:59]
Bud Elliott
Oh, that's right. He sounds like Mark Marin.
- [107:01]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's truly the, the chef from Pats, I think in Philly.
- [107:06]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, yeah, there we go. There we go.
- [107:08]
Tom Fernelli
Backwards is unemployed goofball. That's what it is.
- [107:16]
Chip Patterson
See, we don't chop our meat here because our, our customers have teeth.
- [107:22]
Bud Elliott
This is real beef.
- [107:26]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. No, I've, I talked to. I forgot. I think it was like maybe the 2018 national championship. I remember having some conversations with a couple who told me that it wasn't as much of an influence but as much of a double check, make sure I didn't forget about something that had happened. If they get their ballot together, go check out the story as like a last minute scan. So I don't know, I don't know how much it is influenced now. I mostly am influenced by historical voting behavior. What happens to teams that take what loss at what point in the season as well as the voting points in general. So I don't know how much, I don't know how much I'm able to really stir the drink, but we'll see. All right. Do we think is Luke fickle making it to Monday? He had three timeouts and he didn't use one of them.
- [108:23]
Tom Fernelli
Smart guy.
- [108:26]
Bud Elliott
Maybe. I, I think so. I mean, what really changed this week?
- [108:32]
Chip Patterson
I agree with you, but I'm just like, that was a.
- [108:37]
Bud Elliott
If it didn't happen after Maryland going into a buy. I just don't feel like it's going to happen after losing to Michigan on the road, you know?
- [108:45]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, Michigan was sitting there driving and he was like, yeah, sure, score. That's fine.
- [108:56]
Bud Elliott
Ask me if I care. I don't.
- [108:58]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Yes. Daring is this. Is this one of the most public dare school to fire me's that we've had in a while?
- [109:13]
Bud Elliott
No, I feel like Bill Belichick's doing it very effectively.
- [109:18]
Tom Fernelli
Yeah, I feel like Gundy kind of did for like last season.
- [109:22]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [109:23]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [109:24]
Bud Elliott
Dude, I've driven drunk a million times.
- [109:30]
Chip Patterson
And what he did, I mean, I, I mean I've done. Did he say a million or did he say a thousand?
- [109:38]
Bud Elliott
A thousand I think you said.
- [109:40]
Chip Patterson
I mean I've probably done it a thousand times.
- [109:43]
Bud Elliott
But you know, he looks around like, I mean who amongst us has it right, come on, folks.
- [109:47]
Tom Fernelli
Let's be honest.
- [109:49]
Bud Elliott
What? Oh, seriously?
- [109:50]
Chip Patterson
Just.
- [109:51]
Bud Elliott
Just me? Really? A.
- [109:55]
Chip Patterson
All right. We will be back Monday, 11am Eastern Time. For upon further review, poll assassin and so much more. And you can follow him on twitter at. But Elliot3, you can follow him at. Tom Frell. You can follow me at Chip at Chip. Underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
- [110:15]
Tom Fernelli
You're very welcome.
- [110:16]
Bud Elliott
It's Gore Patterson.
- [110:19]
Tom Fernelli
Now streaming.
- [110:20]
Bud Elliott
Everyone who comes into this clinic is a mystery. We don't know what we're looking for. Their bodies are the scene of the crime.
- [110:27]
Tom Fernelli
No.
- [110:27]
Bud Elliott
Symptoms and history are clues.
- [110:29]
Chip Patterson
You saved her life.
- [110:31]
Tom Fernelli
We're doctors and we're detectives.
- [110:34]
Bud Elliott
I kind of love it, if I'm being honest. Solve the puzzle. Save the patient. Watson.
- [110:40]
Tom Fernelli
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