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Week 7 INSTANT REACTION: Indiana over Oregon, Texas owns Oklahoma, PSU sputtering, Bama beats Mizzou
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Chip Patterson
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Bud Elliott
Welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Danny Cannell and Bud Elliott. It's your call for the best college.
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Tom Fornelli
Football coverage from national signing day to the national championship and everything in between.
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Bud Elliott
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Chip Patterson
And welcome back back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fenelli, that's Bud Elliott. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere. Get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe smash that like and come and join us in the chat. AKA the COVID 3 tailgate where they are celebrating a just a great day, good day of football, you know, wall to wall. I mean, what do we have? How about true history? Maybe I got some more history coming for you as well. Indiana, first win on the road against the top five team in 46 tries. Oh, and 46 in that scenario. That's a lot of losses to Ohio State and Michigan, but not today against the Oregon Ducks. They handle their business. One of the big results of the day also out in Dallas, Texas gets up off the mat and throws a haymaker at an Oklahoma team that did have its star quarterback, Penn State. The bad becomes worse. Good gravy. I mean, the crossover pain that we've experienced at that. But look, hey, you know what? Maybe it's not a bad loss because UCLA is going to win the Big Ten. You know, they're going to run the table at this point. Go Bruins. UCLA 2 and oh. Under interim coach Tim skipper, Florida State takes a tough loss. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of our teams, even as I mentioned, bye week, really got the best of the Tar Heels. So for all three of us, just tough loss Saturday, but we march on. Let's begin in Eugene. I Tom, you wrote about the Indiana side of this. You want to do the Indiana side before we do the Oregon side or do you want to get to the reaction?
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Bud Elliott
I'll do whatever you want. I'm a monkey. Tell me what you want me to do.
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Chip Patterson
All right, I'll tell you. Tell me. Was it just the changes of going to get like Pat Coogan from Notre Dame? Was it just, was it a coaching thing? How did Indiana, to my eye on both sides of the ball, look the part in an Area. That was the stated weakness when they played the best competition. And can I do this? How about last year 02 against ranked teams. This year two and oh, against ranked teams. I mean, is that it? Can I just checked boxes all through that game from the very start, on the fourth down stop on that opening possession. And kind of all through the game, I was like, all right, if they're really, if they've got it, you know, if they, if they really have the goods here, then they need to go and get a score. And then Fernando Mendoza would go and lead a drive. He's like, I think that my throwing and Elijah Surratt's catching is better than your coverage. And geez, they did it over and over and over again. So I just. Is there is. What else do they have to do? Have the goalposts moved again?
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Bud Elliott
I mean, if I tell you before the game that Indiana has a pick six that they throw, they commit six false starts, they average only 4.8 yards per play, how do you think this game goes?
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Chip Patterson
Oregon win.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, I think they got their ass kicked. But Indiana did all that. Indiana did not play like all that clean. Did not have a perfect game. In fact, they looked kind of, you know, bad at times and they went on the road and they beat Oregon anyway. And I think that part of that is what you were kind of alluding to at the start. Like the primary difference between Indiana and the really good teams last year when they faced him were a. Curtis Rourke was a perfectly good jag plus quarterback, but he wasn't capable of making incredible plays. Mando Mendoza has his ups and downs, but he makes some throws that Curtis Rourke just couldn't. But also, more importantly, they were able to handle it along the lines of scrimmage. Like if you look at the game right now, Oregon finished with four tackles for loss in one sack. Indiana had six sacks and eight tackles for loss.
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Chip Patterson
Like they're one all. Oregon had allowed one sack all damn year. And Indiana goes like, no, we are getting in the backfield like that.
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Bud Elliott
That like a few weeks ago, that defensive front just absolutely tore Illinois to shreds. And it was like, all right, Illinois's offensive lines got problems. I did not think that they would be able to do that to Oregon, but they did not to the same kind of level. But they don't have like five stars on their defensive line, but they have a bunch of like 23 year old men. You know what I mean? They have guys who've been around a while. They got guys who played together for A while. And they looked the part today like they were very, they played very well. Aiden Fisher is just a human heat seeking missile. He finds the ball, he lays the wood when he gets there. And then their offensive line, like, they weren't perfect. Like they didn't have the best game, but they held up enough. They bought Fernando Mendoza enough time to hit his throws when he was making them for the most part. And it just allowed them to stay in the game and it kept, you know, and just being able to put that kind of pressure on Dante Moore. I talked about it a few weeks ago in Oregon, you know, played Penn State. I got a lot of pushback from Oregon fans about it by saying that Dante Moore would look a little skittish in that game. When he had pressure on him, he had pressure on him. Today he looks a little skittish. Like that's how quarterbacks work. That's what happens when the pockets collapsing around you. So I, I just felt like that was two really good teams playing an imperfect game because they were kind of making things difficult on each other. And one of the really good teams won by 10 points.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Tom Fornelli
And we, we talked about this at halftime. It's like, all right, one of two things gonna happen here. Oregon's gonna go in. Oregon's gonna say, hey, we had 200 yards in the first half, turnover on downs, we missed a field goal. We can move it on. Indiana's gonna go in and they're gonna say they should have killed us when.
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Bud Elliott
They had a chance.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Tom Fornelli
Because we're gonna, we're the one, like kind of like in, in the movies, right? Like, when the good guy comes back, it's like, you know, what should have got me when you had the chance, man? Because it's, it's our turn to have the chalk. It's our turn to make the adjustments. I mean, they did look at Oregon's drives in the second half. Like, Indiana made tremendous adjustments. Oregon goes just reading off here. 15, 22, 8, negative 40 and 23, which is, you know, basically nothing. Burger. There's at the end of the game like they, they put the absolute clamps on Dante Moore in the second half. I thought they were the more physical team, I think did a really good job of figuring out some, some of Oregon's protection games and like, getting guys in clean to Dante Moore. Like, like there was some immediate pressure on him sometimes. That was the, like, the relentlessness which Indiana's D line played, which I thought was great by the way. Like, those guys played their ass off, like, they. All the credit to Indiana. And I thought, like, their defensive coaching, like, they're playing against a really good coordinator in Will Stein. Man, I definitely think, like, Oregon's. I think Oregon's offensive coaching is way better than Oregon's defensive coaching. You know, like, they pretty much. Well, not way better, but, like, because.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, we have seen you.
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Tom Fornelli
And I've seen Oregon lay some eggs defensively in some of these games. Like, Deborah pants them twice, obviously. Ohio State last year in the playoff. Like, there have been some games where it's like, oh, man.
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Bud Elliott
Okay.
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Chip Patterson
That's still Dan Lanning's defense. He's not gonna. Like, there's gonna be certain things that's fair. Expect him to. To at least come in because I give him some. But they didn't give it to him.
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Tom Fornelli
Like, Like, a lot more college football games are lost than they are one. And Indiana's really good at not beating themselves. Today was the day Indiana had to go out and actually win the damn game, not just have the opponent give it to them. And, like, they went out and earned that shit. Like, that was great. Like, that. That's. That's probably the best game I've ever seen Indiana played. Like, given the relative level of competition, that was. Was awesome to watch. Mendoza was great.
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Chip Patterson
That is unquestionably one of the best wins in program history.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, for sure.
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Bud Elliott
Say, too, like, we. We. But we talked about it during the week. Like, we picked Oregon because our bigger concern was, like, we didn't think that their secondary could cover those guys. They covered them.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, absolutely.
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Bud Elliott
Like, the. Corey Moore didn't do anything. Gary Bryant didn't do anything. Kenyan Sadiq only had two catches for 21 yards. Like, Elijah Surat and Omar Cooper both had better games than anybody on Oregon's passing or receiving. Core did so totally, like, from front to back. Like, it wasn't a fluke. Indiana outplayed Oregon in pretty much every single phase of the game.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, they went there and they won it. Like, it wasn't like Oregon lost. Indiana went and won the thing like, that was, I think, the most impressive thing about that. Like, that Mendoza is really good. Like, Surat's really good. When you doubled Surat, I mean, they still. They spam the hell out of SRAM. And 13 targets is.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, 13 targets, eight catches, 121 or something. I don't have box score pulled up.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, that's like a fifth their plays. We're targeting Sirat, as you probably should, because, I mean, 13 targets for 121 is a pretty nice little ratio there, especially at volume, you know. But when they. When they did take away. When they did take him away, you know, Cooper made plays. They stayed with the run game. Like, they didn't hit a lot of explosive runs and their long was 14 on the day. But they did a decent enough job of staying ahead of the change at times. They didn't face a whole lot of like 3rd and 15s in this game, you know, like, they found ways to keep it manageable to where a guy like Mendoza can make something happen. I thought the arm strength was really good, too. He was making some throws the wide side of the field that were pretty impressive. And Oregon challenged him to make some difficult throws and he did it like that's. That's a damn good football team.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, I mean, they were. The way that they were able to run the ball in the second half when they needed to was super impressive. And then just to like go with a pretty basic stat that backs up how it felt. I think In Oregon was 2 of 8 on third down, you know, and they got forced and they converted a fourth down or two. But on those money downs, I just thought Indiana won them just all more times than not. Then they did it in somebody else's house. I see a lot of commentary in the tailgate about Indiana and their landing spot in the AP Top 25 poll. Reminder before we get out of here tonight, somehow, some way, we're going to get through it. We're going to get to ape tomorrow's top 25 today. Just a little historical note here based on Chip. Chip Patterson Institute and research. Never been higher than number four. Reached number four in 1945. In 19, 1945 and 1967. Anything higher than four, we're talking program history for the Indiana Hoosiers coming out of that win in Austin Stadium.
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Tom Fornelli
So I had an Indiana fan ask me, is Signetti's job that he did here so far? I'll make sure I got this right.
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Chip Patterson
Hold on. While you're looking it up, is that the only thing any Indiana fan has said to you at all in the last.
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Tom Fornelli
Pretty much. I. I would say roughly, but we do. Welcome all to the chat. Make sure you guys hit like and subscribe. By the way. We'll certainly own it when you guys play good game.
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Chip Patterson
I'm sure this, this Kirk future thing is 100. Pretty much reached out to you about.
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Tom Fornelli
We're gonna land like an advertising deal in Indiana because they're gonna see our metrics are like going like popping off there in Bloomington relative to the, like the quality of the job and like the program history is sig at Indiana through the best coaching job ever through 1.5 years.
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Chip Patterson
I. My, my overreaction, which I would be like very excited. I mean, I'm not gonna say that squash it, but, you know, in a time where we do, like, more robust, like, let's build this thing out, like, I don't know, a Tuesday on the Big Ten show, you know, where does this rank among the best program turnarounds of all time? I went as far as to say in the 21st century because I like power conference program turnaround. What he took over and what he has achieved through a season and a half, it's got to be on your short list. Since 2000, I've got.
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Tom Fornelli
It's what you got.
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Bud Elliott
2002, Utah fires Ron McBride after five and six season. Hire some guy named Ern Meyer. And in year two, he goes 12, 0 and then reaches the Fiesta bowl. And maybe, you know, could have been.
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Tom Fornelli
The other one is probably Chris Peterson, Washington. Like, if we really. I mean, I don't want to derail this. We got a lot of games to get to.
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Chip Patterson
That's what I was saying. We can't. We can't do that.
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Tom Fornelli
Right.
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Bud Elliott
I'm going through every single coaching hire in my brain right now. I'm trying to find it.
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Chip Patterson
But yeah, to your point, one of. I would agree. Yeah, without a doubt. He. He showed up. He had a plan. He is a great example, as we're about to enter a very silly coaching search season, that having someone who knows how to get a program organized and knows how to get people in line, either by force of personality or by just like your attention to detail of just outworking people at your own organization. I think Kurt Signetti has shown they're not all going to have his track record. Right. But that's, that's something you should look for in terms of an archetype because that's how you flip something fast. So, yeah, with that. Absolutely doubt one of the most impressive coaching jobs. All right. Anything. Oh, the Oregon side. What's the.
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Tom Fornelli
Are you reconsidering what Oregon is? Because Oregon organs wins and like, I wanted, I wanted to talk Indiana first. I'm glad we did because I don't want to take away from Indiana. Indiana's a good, like, really good football team and they went out there and earned that. And Oregon's still a really talented team, I think. Still a really good team. Does the fact that like Penn State has totally cratered and Oklahoma State is cratered. And Oregon's wins over FPS teams, those teams records against other FPS teams are 2 and 14. Is that giving you guys any pause about maybe what Oregon is right now?
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Bud Elliott
No, I still think they're one of the five best teams in the country.
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Tom Fornelli
So we all, I think we all had. Had Ohio State like the day we debated Danny. We all at Ohio State tops in the Big Ten and Oregon second.
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Bud Elliott
Right.
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Tom Fornelli
First of all, we do hope Danny's feeling better.
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Bud Elliott
Like it.
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Tom Fornelli
It. That was. He's not ducking. I mean, he's never on the night show. But like Danny, we hope we're getting some good rest. Man, he looked rough today in studio.
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Bud Elliott
That was just because he was watching Florida State.
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Tom Fornelli
Oh, no, he. He was out before that.
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Bud Elliott
That was. That was tough.
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Chip Patterson
Is he rocking with like a sore throat, just feeling bad type situation?
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Tom Fornelli
I didn't want to get too close to him to figure out exactly what was wrong.
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Chip Patterson
I don't have any, I don't have any health violations here, but yeah, I'm wondering if I'm.
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Tom Fornelli
Hippo violations.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, I don't have any HIPAA violations. But, you know, as I'm, you know.
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Tom Fornelli
I'm not sure he's gonna be running tomorrow morning listening to this. Right.
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Chip Patterson
Okay. Got it. Got it.
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Tom Fornelli
He might still be in bed. Yeah, folks will better do.
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Bud Elliott
He's gonna take a couple pounds off the weighted vest.
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Chip Patterson
Are you reconsidering Oregon?
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Tom Fornelli
Really? Because, like, who else out there looks much better than them?
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Chip Patterson
So we, we just watched USC in Michigan and we'll do a further game breakdown later. I watched a lot of that game. I'm not gonna say, say that either one of those teams are definitively better than Oregon. No. Okay.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Definitely not. No.
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Chip Patterson
We. We are in a nice part of the season where, as I've said before, we can silo everybody into their conferences, stack you up against your peers. And I'm. I'm knocking Oregon down a little bit. But there is a floor. And so I think that that floor, at least in terms of the Big Ten, is you're not Ohio State. You're obviously not Indiana. That just happened in your house. But yeah, I would take you over USC or Michigan.
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Bud Elliott
What about Illinois? Would you take them over Illinois?
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Chip Patterson
Would I take Oregon over Illinois? I would take Oregon over Illinois.
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Bud Elliott
I would just point out the only two teams that Illinois lost to, our Ohio State and Indiana.
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Tom Fornelli
Oregon has gone all the way from second in the national title odds to fourth.
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Chip Patterson
A only loss to the Best teams in the country. That's an Indiana ass resume, if you ask me, Tom.
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Bud Elliott
What I'm saying is if Illinois is in the sec, we probably got him as a three seed right now. That's all I'm saying. Those resume losses.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, I'm. I'm not throwing the panic signs up, though. Here's what concerns me. All right, so Kurt Signetti, you know, he. He said it to Jenny Dell on the field after the game. Then he went to join the College Football Today crew on the desk for another one. And in both games, he. In both interviews, he was very, very intentional to mention, I had a feeling coming into this game. Now, is that a trolling? Just because it's, I don't know, awesome. Just something to say, like, you know, yeah, I knew we were going to win by 10 in Austin Stadium on the road. Or was there something on tape? Because we both mentioned plan. How Indiana seemed to have a really good plan for how to neutralize what Oregon did well and still handle their business enough. Is that the concern for Oregon that someone looked at you and everything that you put on tape and said, oh, we can handle this? I.
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Bud Elliott
No disrespect to Kurt Signetti, but I feel like Kurt just says things.
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Chip Patterson
That's what I'm asking. I'm asking as part of the, like.
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Bud Elliott
This is the man who says, I win. Google me. This is the man who showed up at the pep rally and said, we're gonna kick all these teams ass. I mean, he's backed it up for the most part, but I think Kurt's kind of doing wrestling promos when he's doing sideline interviews and he's on the desk.
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Chip Patterson
I mean, it's worth alleging that for sure, but it's why I needed to bring this up, because it's possible.
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Tom Fornelli
Also the sequence, right? Like, you would think that if they knew they had something there, they would have.
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Bud Elliott
Like, you'd.
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Tom Fornelli
You're probably exploiting that from the word go.
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Chip Patterson
Oh, well.
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Tom Fornelli
Oregon had 200 yards in the first half. They had 67 yards in the second half.
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Chip Patterson
That's fair. Okay, maybe.
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Tom Fornelli
Maybe Cigadi meant, like, we knew we had something at half we could make adjustments to.
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Chip Patterson
I was thinking that they were in. In their minds. They said, if we get after Dante Moore, we can rattle him. I think that they said those. We believe d' Angelo Pons is going to be back. He was scratched at the last minute, last time out. So we are. We are opening up the full defense of allowing. You don't. You don't know where the pressure is coming from, you know, but we are, we're just going to get after Dante Moore and see how he handles it. And I wonder if that was, you know, a piece of this. Not. Guess what, not many defenses are going to be able to do that as well as Indiana did. And so what. I don't know if that'll be costly, but it's something that, you know, Oregon's obviously going to probably spend some time focusing on as they continue to move this forward. All right. I didn't think John Matier was going to be playing.
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Bud Elliott
He did.
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Chip Patterson
You did?
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I thought. I thought he was gonna play.
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Bud Elliott
No, I said he did play.
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Tom Fornelli
I don't know.
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Bud Elliott
Oh, yes, he played.
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Chip Patterson
He did.
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Bud Elliott
He did not.
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Chip Patterson
Well, because, you know, if, if I was just, if I was just doing, you know, full, full box score mode here, I, I'd just see the. Just see the score and be like, oh, well, I guess it was Michael Hawkins Jr. Because the score was the kind of score that you might have expected if they had started Michael Hawkins Jr. No, instead John Matier goes out there and he plays. And honestly, I mean, bud, you're, you're Mr. Velo. But like, those first couple passes, they even put a couple of them in slow motion. I thought his ball looks fine. I thought his decision making across the entire game was horrendous.
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Tom Fornelli
Texas caught some of the interception balls today that Michigan and Auburn did not. So this is what we had talked about, like when people thought we were nuts for saying here is probably going to be back at Oklahoma next year. Right.
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Chip Patterson
I don't want Dr. Shins license to get revoked because I want everyone to know it has been said on the record, the hand looked good and it was the what was happening between the ears on some of those decisions that I think was the, the costly part of this performance.
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Tom Fornelli
Is Oklahoma that much different than lsu? No run game with the backs, really good defense. Quarterback has to totally carry him. When the quarterback's not 100%, they're in trouble.
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Bud Elliott
A lot of similarities, that's for sure.
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Chip Patterson
Okay.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah, Real tough schedule from here on out too. Like this, this felt like a real missed opportunity for Oklahoma. I felt like they had to win this game.
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Tom Fornelli
It felt like one of those games which Texas offensively looked awful for, for a while. In fact, at the half, Texas had run the ball with their backs nine times. Six of those nine running back runs were stopped for a loss in the first half. It's like, like Arch is gonna have to carry him. But ultimately If Shark could scheme up a drive or two and Texas defense could continue to play well, then it was their game to have. And like they did. Texas had three good drives.
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Bud Elliott
Yeah.
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Tom Fornelli
And cashed in two of them. You know, one was a field goal. That was enough.
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Chip Patterson
Apologies to, you know, not apologies. You. You take what you get. It's a college football result. But, you know, our, our condolences out to Amanda Guerra. I know she's out there in the audience. It was a. It's a tough scene. Tough scene for Boomer out there. What's what? I mean, if Oklahoma is just going to be lsu and I mean, are they. That means every game's going to be like this.
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Tom Fornelli
Kind of depends on who you play, right? Like, yeah, possibly the defense is going to keep them in a lot of games. Matier is going to play hero ball and be the hero games. They need him to be the hero in all the games because they don't really have a run game.
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Bud Elliott
And that's like you, you compare them to lsu, that's like they're no different than Auburn that way either. I mean, there's a lot of teams in the SEC that kind of have that profile right now of unable.
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Tom Fornelli
I think you breeds would do some unspeakable things to have material over Jackson Arnold.
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Bud Elliott
Agreed, agreed. But I'm saying they're still also dependent on their quarterback. And the problem is their quarterback isn't doing anything. You know what I mean? So, like they can't win. Like, although one could argue and we'll get to it later. I'm sure their quarterback did something today that maybe should have counted, that didn't and kind of really turned that game on its head. But no, it's just like Oklahoma. It's. Bud already said it. Like, John Matier is going to put the ball in danger and he's been doing it all year and he's been missing guys and he's been taking shots that he doesn't have to take. Like the one end, the touchdown he threw in the end zone right before halftime or whatever it was. It like there was absolutely no point to making that throw. There was no need to make the throw. You can either throw it away or you could have taken the check down and just settled for the field goal, but he decides to just whip a ball because he's moxie mater into the end zone that has absolutely no prayer being caught and it's picked off.
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Tom Fornelli
Yeah, if that wasn't some kind of miscommunication, then that was a pretty egregious decision.
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Chip Patterson
Yeah, yeah, did so there was like the two sided piece of this. Did Oklahoma blow the end of half management in a game that was.
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Tom Fornelli
Is there kicker really bad? Because that's the only one. That's what I would think. Like because that ball was from the 30, it's like maybe if I'll use. I'm trying to use kicker sucks or something. But I don't think he does right.
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Bud Elliott
He was 2 for 2 today with a 42 yarder and a 41 yarder.
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Chip Patterson
Man, that's, that's trustworthy.
- [26:02]
Tom Fornelli
So this would have been 47. I look maybe ou fans in the chat will tell us like this kid cannot hit a long field goal and in that case I don't hate the heave quite as much. But assuming like like a 47 yard is makeable and if you're a team like Oklahoma with a payroll of probably 20 plus million, you probably have a kid who make a 47 yarder. So yeah, that was pretty bad.
- [26:21]
Chip Patterson
We got the stats on the screen. If you're watching on YouTube.com cover three, Trey Wisner, you know, somebody who is a main character of the season last year ends up leading the way. Nice little 94 yard performance on 22 carries. Thought he also did some, some hard work in the passing game as well because shocker, when your offensive line is getting absolutely beat, you got to check down to your running back or throw it in the flat to him sometimes. But you know, Wiser's a great athlete. Can go and make some plays, test them a little bit on the perimeter. Do you take much away? Because I've. I think that I take more away vibes wise than I do. You know, in terms of the hard data X's and O's for Texas's win. I just think it's like okay, it's. This is.
- [27:05]
Tom Fornelli
Oh, our friend Josh, who knows OU like like nobody's business, says that Tate Sandel is a really good kicker for ou. The game management end of the first half is a continuation of horrible decisions Venables has made time and again. So. So this year they have a stud kicker. Yeah.
- [27:24]
Chip Patterson
Okay.
- [27:25]
Tom Fornelli
Blind spot for me. I don't, I don't really know. Like I. There's like a couple kickers I know. Other than that I'm like, all right.
- [27:29]
Bud Elliott
Whatever, just get rid of them.
- [27:31]
Chip Patterson
Honestly, like we do football.
- [27:33]
Bud Elliott
Would football be worse if we didn't have kickers? Let's be real. Might be better. Teams would have to go for it more often.
- [27:41]
Chip Patterson
Keep kickers.
- [27:44]
Bud Elliott
Okay, fine. But don't put them on scholarship. They don't.
- [27:47]
Chip Patterson
What? All right, so what about the Texas side of this? What is there to take away?
- [27:50]
Tom Fornelli
Because I Arch pocket presence two weeks in a row. Not saying he's playing well, throwing it. Not saying he's playing well, how he sees it, but man, he is avoiding pressure in the pocket really pretty well.
- [28:04]
Bud Elliott
He's getting a lot of practice at it. Yes.
- [28:07]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, like Florida was all over him. He got out of a lot of sacks in that game. Ou had one sack and he had 12 TFLS guys. It's not like, oh, you had no pass pressure. Right. Like, Arch did some pretty nice little magician work back there. It didn't always result in explosive plays, but you know, he avoided negatives fairly well. He also did get baited in any picks by Venables defense, which is like classically known for creating those turnovers.
- [28:32]
Chip Patterson
We've got. We've got Debo helping us out tonight. He just posted something interesting in the tailgate. Texas to make the College Football playoff is at +152 right now. What would you, what would you put that at?
- [28:48]
Bud Elliott
No, I, I declared him dead last.
- [28:51]
Tom Fornelli
They have left.
- [28:52]
Bud Elliott
They've got to play Vandy at Georgia and Texas A M. They've also got road games against Kentucky, Mississippi State.
- [29:00]
Tom Fornelli
9 and 3 might get them in because that loss to. To Ohio State looks very excusable now.
- [29:06]
Chip Patterson
But if they're 10 and 2, that means that they're 7 and 1 in SEC play. And depending on who the 7 is and who the 1 is for the.
- [29:15]
Bud Elliott
SEC title, I, I just don't think they're doing that fair.
- [29:19]
Chip Patterson
I like that. I like that response.
- [29:23]
Tom Fornelli
But they've just played the best defense they're gonna see for the rest of the schedule at least, right?
- [29:31]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [29:31]
Bud Elliott
But if, if Oklahoma doesn't turn the ball over three times, I mean, again, Texas has a great defense, so they're going to have a chance in every single game for the most part. It's just nothing that offense did today convinces me they're going to be good. Like they, they still can't run the ball. Arches are great. He's able to avoid sacks, but he's still missing throws.
- [29:53]
Chip Patterson
Oh, it's still.
- [29:54]
Tom Fornelli
I don't mean winning the playoff. I just mean like, I think nine and three, they're going to lose a shot to get Texas in.
- [29:59]
Bud Elliott
So they're going to lose the third game probably to Georgia or Texas A and M. They might lose a fourth. They might lose both. They might lose all three of Those games. I, I don't have a high level of confidence in this football team.
- [30:12]
Chip Patterson
That's fair.
- [30:13]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, I do think ours looks better, at least like avoiding some of the pressure stuff.
- [30:17]
Chip Patterson
I, I, I think that we have all come to realize that it is a, is a talented but flawed team, you know, and they are their flaws, unfortunately, at a very pivotal spot on the football field that prevents running the football and protecting the faster. Also, like, it's remarkable because, you know, what comes to mind? Everything is difficult, everything is so hard. And he scampers off for, you know, extends the chains on a third and long on a nice little run and you're like, hey, yeah, Arch Manning. But why did he have to do that in the first place?
- [30:55]
Tom Fornelli
Also, 21 or 27 for 166 is like, that's hard to do.
- [31:01]
Chip Patterson
I told you. There's a lot of, like, there's a lot of short throws.
- [31:04]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Getting the ball out on this one.
- [31:08]
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah. Average depth to target, all that stuff.
- [31:11]
Bud Elliott
Dylan's record last week.
- [31:13]
Tom Fornelli
Hey, hey, Dylan. Dylan threw it down field tonight at the end.
- [31:17]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, he did.
- [31:19]
Tom Fornelli
Well, I was thinking about you so much, man, watching that volley.
- [31:23]
Bud Elliott
What?
- [31:23]
Tom Fornelli
He threw his left where he like jumps and falls down with nobody around him. And it ended up being complete. I was like, all right.
- [31:30]
Bud Elliott
It was classic mechanics, man. Just exactly how they teach it, draw it up.
- [31:34]
Tom Fornelli
Also, like, how talented is that guy? He could throw a ball falling down like that and complete it. That was, we'll save it for that game. That game's probably on the list, right?
- [31:44]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I mean, I, it was so funny. Also, Blackledge is on the NBC call, right?
- [31:50]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [31:50]
Chip Patterson
Okay, so Blacklidge offered up. At one point, they were shown a slow motion clip of Underwood and they were like, you know, he's almost better on the off platform stuff. And I was like, oh, no, the disease spread.
- [32:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, we'll get to that later. He did not play well tonight. That was, that was Black Ledge's way of saying that I can kind of.
- [32:13]
Chip Patterson
Pick up on that. All right, coming up on the other side. Yikes. We got to talk about it. Penn State just took another loss. This one coming to Northwestern. Not a good, not a good moment for, for the Nittany Lions. And some positives, though. Alabama with a hard fought road win. I thought Texas A and M looked good. Good. We'll get into usc, Florida State and more.
- [32:35]
Bud Elliott
Next.
- [32:37]
Chip Patterson
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- [36:52]
Bud Elliott
I mean, Drew Aller's out for the year, and you've lost now three straight, including two in a row as favorites of 20 points or more.
- [37:02]
Tom Fornelli
Hey, even we didn't do that last year.
- [37:04]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I know. Even Florida State's looking at me like, bro, what the hell is wrong with you? Like, come on. But just. I. I don't know if quits the right word, but they just look depressed, they look beaten, they look defeated. They look like they don't have any answers. They've got to go to Iowa next week. And then, don't worry, things get easier because after Iowa, they have to go to Ohio State. Then after Ohio State, they have to come home to play Indiana. Like, this is a team that could very easily be. Oh, and six in three weeks or four weeks, whenever that is. Because, I mean, what's the. Grunken Myers, the backup who came in for Aller?
- [37:45]
Chip Patterson
Yep.
- [37:47]
Bud Elliott
Okay.
- [37:49]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I don't think so.
- [37:49]
Bud Elliott
I don't.
- [37:50]
Tom Fornelli
I don't think he's. I. I don't know that he sucks. I don't get the impression that he's, like, a dude from day one.
- [38:01]
Bud Elliott
Mm.
- [38:03]
Chip Patterson
The one who was fighting for his job at Oregon State, Right?
- [38:10]
Tom Fornelli
No, no, that. That was. Was that Gold Branson?
- [38:14]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [38:14]
Chip Patterson
Oh, okay. Who went to who. Who ended up going to Stanford? Right?
- [38:20]
Tom Fornelli
Right. Yeah.
- [38:21]
Chip Patterson
Okay, so Grunkenmeyer's been There like he's.
- [38:26]
Bud Elliott
A four star recruit. He's not like a. But it's just, it's. Yeah. I don't know if he's right.
- [38:32]
Tom Fornelli
I asked bmac and, and Damien on the set today. I was like, do you think like this since this team has so high expectations? And then like they lay on the field against Oregon, lose. They're just like, like we're not natty good. And so like what are we. And they're just. That's a. I mean like their best game of the year is the Oregon.
- [38:52]
Bud Elliott
Game.
- [38:54]
Tom Fornelli
And this is like two weeks in a row. They're just like oof. Against. I know UCLA looks better right after the play caller change. Although I have some questions about Michigan State, certainly. Especially defensively. But yeah, Thomas, see your face on that dude. Yeah. Like you guys had two tackles for loss against Northwestern. Two.
- [39:17]
Chip Patterson
That.
- [39:17]
Tom Fornelli
That ain't it. That, that felt like a team that was just out.
- [39:21]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Then that's six. Six. I don't, I, I don't know because it's like they, they just, like I said, they look defeated. They look like they're done. They look completely checked out. You look in their eyes and there's just like kind of a dazed stare coming back at you right now. There's just. I have no idea what this team's going to do. You look at their schedule, they've got at Iowa, Ohio State, Indiana. I mentioned it. But then you've got at Michigan, Nebraska and at Rutgers. Like I, I think that they will get a win. I do.
- [39:51]
Chip Patterson
Well, you said a.
- [39:53]
Bud Elliott
But that's kind of my point. Yeah, I think they will. I can't sit here and tell you with any. They've lost the UCLA and Northwestern in back to back weeks. How can you sit here with any level of confidence and say, oh yeah, they're definitely going to win a game or two. They've just lost the two easiest games on their schedule in conference play. Not outside their nonconform.
- [40:14]
Tom Fornelli
Like they're not getting blown out on the final scoreboard yet.
- [40:20]
Bud Elliott
But after, if they lose, but if.
- [40:21]
Tom Fornelli
They play like this again, they lose.
- [40:24]
Chip Patterson
At Iowa, that they're done. Oh my God.
- [40:29]
Bud Elliott
And Penn State doesn't even have basketball to turn to. It's just going to be a miserable wait. No, they got. What's, what's the, like the hockey phenomenon that they got. They got that hockey season is here at Penn State. Don't worry, it's going to be all better.
- [40:43]
Tom Fornelli
They got a hockey.
- [40:45]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I think they got Gavin.
- [40:46]
Tom Fornelli
Hey, listen, McKenna, Debo.
- [40:50]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, of course, Debo knows. Debo's probably got his jersey. Yeah.
- [40:55]
Chip Patterson
If you're gonna join the Big Ten, you better get no hockey.
- [40:59]
Bud Elliott
Florida State's gonna have to start a team.
- [41:03]
Tom Fornelli
They have a hockey team. I think it's club.
- [41:07]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. ACC does not sponsor hockey, but a lot of ACC schools do have like, pretty like supported club hockey teams.
- [41:17]
Bud Elliott
Club team too. Don't worry.
- [41:19]
Chip Patterson
So what's. All right, the. The question that will be asked, you know, elsewhere.
- [41:24]
Bud Elliott
Let's.
- [41:25]
Chip Patterson
Let's work shop it. Now, how does this end.
- [41:29]
Bud Elliott
You know.
- [41:30]
Tom Fornelli
Doing the Franklin fire?
- [41:32]
Chip Patterson
Nowhere. It's just like I. It was, it was a. It was a topic on a halftime show.
- [41:41]
Bud Elliott
I thought last week when there was like the non stop, like everybody was writing the column of is it's time. Is it time for Franklin, Penn State to part way? So I was kind of like, all right, all right, all right, everybody. Like, they lost Oregon and they let it. They let the hangover and they lost again to ucla. Let's not end this thing after today. Maybe it is. Maybe it's time. It's not a firing, but maybe it's, you know, James needs to look elsewhere.
- [42:09]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Robbie Callan, James Franklin buyout CBS Sports. Robbie Kellen, James Franklin buyout, CBS.
- [42:14]
Tom Fornelli
It's like what, 60, 50, something like that?
- [42:17]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. So it's like I. I don't think they're gonna fire him because I don't think they want to pay that buyout. But maybe you kind of start, you know, negotiating things down. Maybe you look for an exit ramp somehow. Maybe you just kind of figure. James Franklin has done a lot of great things for that program, especially considering, you know, like, where it was when he took it over. Like, Bill o' Brien deserves plenty of credit himself for what, what he was able to do there. But James was able to kind of really fix it and get it back to a level where they felt they were going to be.
- [42:48]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [42:48]
Bud Elliott
But they just haven't been able to break through. And maybe he's just not going to there. Maybe they have to find somebody else and maybe he needs to find somewhere else. Maybe he needs to come home to Chapel Hill.
- [42:59]
Chip Patterson
Chip, listen, it's called Franklin Street. You know how easily that can get marketed? I mean, I just seen it here with the NC State men's basketball program. My friend Joe Gilio likes to say, nothing in the triangle happens in a vacuum. So after NC State gets Will Wade, Wade Avenue, now all of a sudden, North Carolina gets James Franklin for Franklin Street.
- [43:25]
Bud Elliott
It's all right There.
- [43:27]
Chip Patterson
And. Oh, the, the cave sound behind me doesn't have the. The. I was gonna say I was gonna throw out their address on there, but go ahead.
- [43:36]
Tom Fornelli
I, I don't know. They're gonna be fine long term. I think they will be. Right. Like, this sucks. If you're Penn State, me, you, you, your Final Four last year, you bring everybody back. Like you're thinking, hey, we're going to copy the Michigan, Ohio State plan. Things don't always go as planned. I don't think James Franklin just forgot how to coach. It's a weird dynamic right now. I think with that team. I, I do think there's something to that. Like, hey, we're coming back to win a Natty and things don't go well. It's like, what do you have left to play for? Right. Like, you're out of the conference race type thing.
- [44:07]
Bud Elliott
It.
- [44:08]
Tom Fornelli
I, I think when you have like super high expectations and you realize that you're out of them, then things can kind of freefall. It doesn't mean they can't reset next year. I don't think I'd fire James Franklin. I, I don't. You know, now I spent a lot of money on this team. Are they like ready to reload the money cannon and run it back next year? I don't go.
- [44:27]
Bud Elliott
And that's, that's, that's a big question to me because a, I, I do think this season is only going to get worse. Like, I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel in 2025. And then you think of everything that this team loses.
- [44:40]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [44:43]
Bud Elliott
It's like it could be the chance just for the clean slate for everybody involved. Like, I agree with you. I don't think James Franklin has forgotten how to coach. And I think that Penn State could very easily find itself in the Nebraska situation where you feel like the coach you had and Bo Pellini isn't doing good enough. You get rid of him and it turns out he was doing better than anybody you've tried to replace him with. Like, Penn State could find itself in that same exact situation. But I also just feel like maybe it won't. Maybe this is just the time. Maybe everything runs its course. That's how this works.
- [45:14]
Tom Fornelli
For every Kirby Smart upgrades for Mark Rick situation, we can give you five or six where that actually ends up looking really dumb.
- [45:23]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [45:24]
Bud Elliott
You know.
- [45:26]
Tom Fornelli
Like the classic one. If you're of a certain age. Like we are like Glenn Mason at Minnesota.
- [45:30]
Chip Patterson
Right.
- [45:30]
Tom Fornelli
They were tired of bumping their heads up in the ceiling. They wandered in the desert for quite a while. You know, Flex. Done a decent job there. Did Purdue hold on to win?
- [45:38]
Bud Elliott
No, they did not.
- [45:39]
Chip Patterson
No, they did not.
- [45:40]
Tom Fornelli
Minnesota got it.
- [45:41]
Bud Elliott
Our boy Coy had to pick six.
- [45:44]
Tom Fornelli
Oh, wow.
- [45:48]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, it's rough.
- [45:49]
Chip Patterson
I mean, that was a good. I'm not happy that Purdue lost, but, man, that would have been a bad sign because Purdue had control of that game early.
- [46:00]
Tom Fornelli
Mm.
- [46:01]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [46:02]
Chip Patterson
Not great. As we mentioned, three and three so far through six games for Penn State preseason number two to questioning whether they will be in a bowl game. Quite the free fall for. For the Nittany Lions. Oh, and three in conference play. Okay. Yeah.
- [46:24]
Tom Fornelli
Real quickly on the team that actually won the game, can Northwestern make a bowl?
- [46:31]
Bud Elliott
Yes. The bottom of the Big Ten sucks.
- [46:35]
Tom Fornelli
They got four wins, right?
- [46:36]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. And they've still got games left. They got Purdue next week and then Nebraska, usc, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois. So they have to beat Purdue next week, and then they could get one of those last five. Most likely Minnesota at home. I feel like it's the most likely outcome.
- [46:53]
Tom Fornelli
I think David Braun's a decent coach.
- [46:55]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [46:56]
Chip Patterson
Can UCLA make a bowl?
- [46:59]
Bud Elliott
Can anybody beat ucla? That's the better question because they're probably going to win out.
- [47:06]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Garrett, who's got a better shot of making a bowl, UCLA or Penn State?
- [47:12]
Tom Fornelli
I still think Penn State.
- [47:14]
Bud Elliott
Penn State. Because Crockmeyer might rule, you know, like, they might shock you. But I mean, ucla, you look at the schedule, they still need four more wins, and they've still got to play Indiana, Nebraska, Ohio State, Washington and usc. Like, maybe they beat me.
- [47:28]
Tom Fornelli
If UCLA makes a bowl, you're gonna have some furious fan bases in this conference because, like, it's like, all right, cool. Yeah, they beat Penn State. Penn State was in free fall. They scored a bunch on Michigan State. Michigan State's defense is, man, not great.
- [47:43]
Chip Patterson
So the path forward for Penn State, I think is 2021. No, not 2021. Clemson. Maybe 2023 through the Clemson year where they were four and four through eight games, but went on a five game winning streak, beat Kentucky in the Gator bowl at the end of the year, and everybody was like, oh, Clemson's fixed. And like, they had a win against Notre Dame along the way.
- [48:05]
Tom Fornelli
Maybe that's 2025. Clemson.
- [48:07]
Chip Patterson
Listen, might be. Might be where they're headed. There's. There's nothing that year.
- [48:14]
Tom Fornelli
Maybe it's like that year at Notre Dame where Brian Kelly had to, like, do the reset. He's like, oh, now I actually eat lunch with the players. And I do some yoga. Namaste and all this stuff. Like it's, you know, whatever the, the thing that they were rebranding him with actually like I don't know if the rebranding worked but like they, they turned it around there.
- [48:30]
Chip Patterson
Like they have to play. How about this? As impressive and as much as many minutes as we gave in praise to Indiana like for only college football reasons, the idea that Penn State would rise up and be Indiana isn't crazy.
- [48:45]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it is.
- [48:48]
Chip Patterson
The week after lives.
- [48:49]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [48:50]
Tom Fornelli
No, they're not on talent and body types. Could they hang with him?
- [48:53]
Bud Elliott
Yes.
- [48:54]
Tom Fornelli
Have they shown anything so far this year that makes you think they will?
- [48:57]
Chip Patterson
Not even against the lesser teams. You're right about that.
- [49:01]
Bud Elliott
Chip's definitely taking the Penn State moneyline that week. He's just his hand.
- [49:05]
Tom Fornelli
Is that game in. Is that game in Bloomington?
- [49:08]
Bud Elliott
It's in. No, it's. It's in Happy version. It's been sad ass. All right.
- [49:13]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. I'm just telling you if look, this.
- [49:17]
Tom Fornelli
Sport is tighter than it's ever been maybe with except the guys are in Columbus so. And maybe Coral Gables will see but like.
- [49:27]
Chip Patterson
So what about the boys in Tallahassee?
- [49:31]
Tom Fornelli
Defense just sucks. I had it 33, 31 knowles and didn't like Norvell was what 718 off a loss doesn't are getting these guys to bounce back. I mean we talk about this a lot. I don't think that like those guys take these conference games seriously when it's not Miami and Clemson. Like I think track record like they're awful at these. They generally play up against some of the better teams. I just think that they do not seem to. It's not trying to like take away anything from pit. Like the freshman for Pitt, the quarterback played really well. Like that's two weeks in a row where they've dropped, you know, 40 plus but like or close to it. I don't think like they do a good job of getting the team ready to play in this game. I think they overlook a lot of these guys for no reason. Like they haven't earned the right to overlook these teams. You know and it's. I don't think they're very talented on defense. I mean they're not like totally untalented but just. They don't have it.
- [50:32]
Bud Elliott
Wow.
- [50:32]
Tom Fornelli
They also don't have 50 million to fire the guy so.
- [50:35]
Chip Patterson
Well, I mean why is this so different than what happened on August 31st? Like was that all Alabama or has you know, Florida State?
- [50:45]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I mean I. I think with each. With each passing data point, you got to reevaluate everything, right? Like now Oregon, shoot. You look at them and say, okay, they were like. The teams they beat are 2 and 14 in FBS play. All right. Makes you think a little bit differently about the Ducks. Kind of the same thing here. Bama's looked better probably each game somewhat, you know, Florida State, I think they played really well that game, and I think Bama also was off that game. So, you know, Ty Simpson, we talked about it that night. You can go back and watch the instant. And they had guys open. He wasn't going to the wrong guy. He was just late with it quite a bit. Like, they had five or six PBUs in that game that are probably more about tie being late on it than anything else, you know, and Bama's online really kind of played like crap that day. I mean, it's. It's college. Floyd. Most anybody can rise up within a certain, like, you know, ranges, right?
- [51:31]
Bud Elliott
Of.
- [51:31]
Tom Fornelli
Of talent, whatnot and are able to do it. But I mean, it's a couple weeks in a row now. They've really exploited the linebackers in coverage. I thought, like, what they did this off season and we took a lot of crap for this. We're saying, like, they. They're not building anything. They're just trying not to get fired, you know, because they don't want to have to. Like, they don't have to do another fire situation. They're probably going to go like six and six, you know, like get back to a bowl game. It's not making anybody happy. You probably also don't fire a guy for getting back to a ball game after two and.
- [52:05]
Bud Elliott
Shout out to the dues. Yeah, I mean, like, Pitt was in a place. They lost a really tough rivalry game to West Virginia. Then they followed it up with, like the home loss to Louisville. So they're sitting there at 2 and 2, and you're kind of like getting the sense that, like, the season could really slip out from underneath it. But then they absolutely blew the doors off booty cheeks last week. And then this week they come on the road and they beat Florida State. So now they're back to four and two. They've got winnable games coming up. I mean, because you look at the end of their season, they've got Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Miami back to back. It's important for this team to win games now. Not to say they can't pull off an upset in one of those three games, but it's just if they Want to get to a bowl. If they want to stay in the race in the acc, they got to win these games. So I think for Pitt, this is a huge one to go on the road to beat Florida State.
- [52:49]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Mason Heinshell on the road against made some bad mistakes early, you know, and then just kept swinging. Finishes with 321. Desmond Reed, who's been a little bit banged up, ends up being a difference maker. You know, right from the jump, I thought that Pitt made it very clear early their intention. You know, they were like, yeah, we're down to play your game. You know, we, we have all these expectations that sometimes we pin to coaches, but then coaches are somewhere for a long period of time. And we've got a situation right now with Pitt and Cade Bell and freshman quarterback Mason Heitzel where they are. We are down to go. We are down to play a high possession ball game. And they were, they were ready to do that in Tallahassee against Florida State. It showed me a certain level of disrespect for Florida State's defense because this Florida State defense has had UVA and Pitt move the ball on them. And when we're looking up and uva and Pitt are in the mix for the, you know, a spot maybe against Miami in the ACC championship game, it's like, hey, whatever, they were like some of the better teams in the acc, but there is also a, we're Florida State. Why are uva and Pitt moving the ball on us like that? Like that's, that's an alarming weakness right now. And I, I, it is not the same thing as we just put the clamps on Ty Simpson and Alabama in the first game of the season and definitely changes the calculus for the Seminoles moving forward.
- [54:25]
Bud Elliott
I would also just like to officially retract my retraction. When I said that Florida State just didn't have the body types of the best teams in the, in the league, they looked more like the middle level. And then I retracted that after the Alabama win. I am retracting that retraction.
- [54:42]
Tom Fornelli
So you're reasserting the assertion?
- [54:44]
Bud Elliott
I'm reasserting the assertion.
- [54:46]
Tom Fornelli
Okay.
- [54:49]
Bud Elliott
The retraction.
- [54:50]
Chip Patterson
I would also like to submit for the record the piece of evidence, your honor, that since suing the ACC, the Florida State is now 110 in ACC football games.
- [55:05]
Tom Fornelli
Maybe that gets some of the money for a buyout.
- [55:10]
Chip Patterson
After putting in a lawsuit that says, you guys suck. You're dragging us down. They have gone one in ten against conference competition. They have lost eight straight conference games for the first time in program history. Since winning the 2023 ACC championship game, Florida State has won just five of its next 19 games. That is a 5 and 14 record since beating Louisville in a rock fight of an ACC title game at the end of 2023. It's. It is a roller coaster. Yeah, I, I do not envy it.
- [55:55]
Tom Fornelli
But not many ups. It's mostly just like a roller coaster that's built on a mountain.
- [55:59]
Bud Elliott
Right.
- [55:59]
Chip Patterson
But they tease.
- [56:00]
Tom Fornelli
There's a couple bumps where you're kind.
- [56:02]
Bud Elliott
Of stuck hanging upside down on the loop because there'. Malfunction.
- [56:06]
Chip Patterson
I do wonder if Friday night in.
- [56:09]
Tom Fornelli
College and then, like, they get the power back on and you realize the guy operating is on meth. It's like, oh, damn it.
- [56:15]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I think, I think Friday in college town at Madison Social was the last happy moment.
- [56:20]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [56:21]
Chip Patterson
You know, or maybe. Or maybe when Osceola comes out, you know, all the pregame festivities, places rocking, tough, tough, tough sequence of events for the Florida State Seminoles, 0 and 3 in the ACC play for just the third time ever.
- [56:40]
Tom Fornelli
It could get worse. They go play Stanford this week. They're gonna be up for that one. I don't.
- [56:45]
Chip Patterson
Bro, have some respect. I mean, have some respect for yourself.
- [56:53]
Bud Elliott
Please.
- [56:56]
Tom Fornelli
Please.
- [56:58]
Chip Patterson
All right, let's hit one more break and then we'll start to get into some of these games, including some of the action that was here in the night slate. So coming up on the other side, we saw Texas A and M defend home turf against Florida. LSU eked one out against South Carolina. The Georgia Auburn game had a wild turn of events.
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Bud Elliott
Of course.
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Chip Patterson
The COVID 3 podcast. Seems like a while ago, but a real fun game in the early slate. Alabama gets it done, gets out with a 27 to 24 win against Missouri. Tom, what are the big takeaways for you for the Crimson Tide or Missouri? I mean if, if you want to have the other side of that.
- [60:20]
Bud Elliott
I mean Ty Simpson made some elite level throws in this game, just kind of reaffirming my love for him even more. But like I do feel like Alabama is very good, but I also feel like Alabama is also beatable and I thought that Missouri had a chance to beat them. I mean it was a three point game so obviously they have a chance to beat him. And I think that just Mizzou's inability to really do anything consistently in the air is what felled them because they ran the ball pretty well now. Like Ahmad Hardy didn't rush for 100 yards. But they did finish averaging 6 yards per carry. Bo Pribula, like we discussed during the week, I think Alabama's plan is going to be take away Hardy and make Prula beat him and Prula couldn't. But I also feel like we saw Mizzou get cooked in the secondary by Kansas and we saw him get cooked by South Carolina and I don't really feel like Alabama cooked him it so.
- [61:27]
Tom Fornelli
Because. Right. Totally agree. Like let's. There were some things Bam did really well. One, they allowed a couple explosive rushes, but on, on a down to down basis, they sold out to stop the run and did a good job of it. Lt Overton played really well. Like Bo is not a good, like he's not a good passer when he has to just be a passer. They don't have play action. All the window dressing. Like he's just not that guy. There's a reason why Penn State was using him in sort of a modified Wildcat fashion. You know, for a lot of the season last year and in fact the last two years, half of Missouri's third downs were third and eight plus.
- [62:04]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I mean and you get that.
- [62:06]
Tom Fornelli
Because Bama wins first down. Yeah, that was big in this one. Bama's a good team, but like it's within the context of where we are as a sport now. Like, like on like a 30 to negative 30 power rating scale. We don't have 30s anymore guys right now. Like Bama's probably like a 21, you know, like, like national title teams of five, 10 years ago were 30s. So like the sport is so much more compressed now. Like they're probably.
- [62:34]
Bud Elliott
What.
- [62:36]
Tom Fornelli
They'Re probably the only top half SEC team with like a very obvious like top two round pick a quarterback right now. Maybe material if you, if you buy into them. I think they're the best team in sec. I don't think it's by a whole lot because I think it's very jumbled up in that league also. Where's Ryan Williams? They're a lot scarier if Bernard's a two and Williams the true one or if Bernard has emerged as a true one. I think maybe he has like if Williams is like an awesome two, but they're a little bit less scary if, if these balls are going to Isaiah Horton and Horton's a nice pickup from them in the transfer portal. I think it was a pretty savvy move by them.
- [63:18]
Chip Patterson
But I mean I, I, I think that this Alabama program is dangerous right now because I keep hearing a lot of true freshmen. True freshmen. Like, sure, there are some young dudes who are starting to get a little bit of play. And, you know, the fact that. That is. Those are guys who committed to. To Kaylin DeBoer and that Kaylin DeBoer brought in, and the fact that they are starting to get some burn and come up with some winning plays, I just. That's.
- [63:50]
Tom Fornelli
Do we think Ryan Williams is banged up? The chat says maybe, but are you.
- [63:55]
Bud Elliott
Looking at those odds right now? Do we really think Alabama is that much better than.
- [64:00]
Tom Fornelli
Yes. Well, no, no.
- [64:02]
Bud Elliott
But.
- [64:02]
Tom Fornelli
But it's. They've already had. They already have two. It's the path.
- [64:05]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [64:06]
Bud Elliott
Okay. Okay.
- [64:08]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. They've already played the two most difficult road games. They'll play.
- [64:12]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Alabama had the inside path last year and duffed it at Oklahoma. So here's what. Here's what's on my notebook. Number one, Missouri's a good football team. Like, I thought that Alabama disrespected the vertical passing game and that set up sort of the way that they defended them the entire way. That offensive line was, you know, happy to get Kaden Green back. Thought they got, obviously great push early, came up with some plays late. They fought hard, but, man, they were just. They had a flaw that Alabama was able to take advantage of. I had a funny series where I wrote down one note about, man, it is nice to have Ty Simpson in the red zone. You know, like, so many times you don't have a player that you can trust to make a good decision. And I felt like he does a really good job of taking care of the football, making good throws. He's obviously very talented, making right decisions. And as soon as I wrote that down, I think maybe 30 minutes later, real time. It was the start of the third quarter, and he fumbled, like, the very beginning of the third quarter. I was like, okay, so not all great decisions, but still, when I think about Alabama in big games, I am very glad that I've got 15 as the one who's deciding where to go with the ball and what exactly I'm going to do. I thought that. Go ahead.
- [65:28]
Bud Elliott
Who would you rather have a quarterback in the red zone, Ty Simpson or Kaden Proctor?
- [65:34]
Chip Patterson
The Wildcat didn't work. Absolutely. Ty Simpson gets all the way into the end zone. We got a different situation right there.
- [65:42]
Bud Elliott
All right.
- [65:44]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I'm just left. Look, Bama is handling business. It's not easy to win road games like they won at Georgia. They won at one of the better Missouri teams. We're going to see In a little bit. I think Simpson did a great job handling pressure. I thought that was, like, probably his best thing. Now, I know he had the one sack where he fumbled on, but he did. Did get away from a lot of stuff today, much like Arch did. Missouri has a good front and they got pressure on him, but they didn't sack him, what, like a million times. They. Four sacks. Could have been more. Honestly, like, I'm. I'm still a little bit worried about Bama's pass rush, and I am left wanting a little bit like, jam. Miller's a fine back. I don't think he scares a lot of people.
- [66:25]
Chip Patterson
We got cleaned up in this game.
- [66:27]
Tom Fornelli
Right. But, like, I mean, before that, he wasn't playing amazing. He was just consistent. Good. Bama blocks it up pretty well. That's a good old line. If they had a Justice Haynes or if they had Ryan Williams healthy and right then that's a really scary offense because you got like, another guy who you think is like a true touchdown scorer from anywhere on the field and like that. They're playing well, man. It. I don't.
- [66:52]
Bud Elliott
I don't like.
- [66:52]
Tom Fornelli
I don't want to speak. They're. They're playing well. I think Missouri is a good team.
- [66:56]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [66:57]
Chip Patterson
I think that Missouri is a very good team. And when they finally started hitting the downfield passes later in the game, you know, it was. It was a little bit later. And I think that at that point, Alabama had kind of established an advantage, but I'm not. I thought the Missouri stood the test. So, you know, tip of the cap to them.
- [67:18]
Bud Elliott
You wanted to win, but I don't think you feel bad about yourself for losing that game. I think he's still thinking pretty good.
- [67:24]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [67:26]
Chip Patterson
All right, let's. Let's open it up. Where do you want to go?
- [67:31]
Tom Fornelli
Los Angeles.
- [67:32]
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah. Are you a believer? That's a one line.
- [67:38]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. They look really good like that. That. They look like they got real. I mean, we knew they had some firepower offense. I don't think Michigan's defense is anywhere near what it was last year. I don't think Michigan's coaching staff is anywhere near what it was when Harbaugh had it cooking at peak level. But still like USC came out and handled business, man, like that. Almost 500 yards total. Michigan had three, like 316.
- [68:04]
Bud Elliott
It.
- [68:05]
Tom Fornelli
Miama played quite well. They ran the ball extremely well. It's a good team, man.
- [68:11]
Chip Patterson
They were losing everybody. They were down to our pets. Heads are falling off.
- [68:16]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [68:16]
Tom Fornelli
They're also, like, with Their left tackle and their center out right.
- [68:21]
Chip Patterson
They were pulling. I correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think they were pulling players into the game to play running back who were previously deemed out, like, for the season. Like, we're down to, like, our seventh running back.
- [68:38]
Bud Elliott
Brian Jackson was listed as out before the game. Yeah. Gary, he had five carries. Yeah. For 35 yards and a touchdown. They're gonna be in trouble. You can't listen guys out and then play it.
- [68:52]
Tom Fornelli
Did Underwood get hurt? They just. They just. When the game was out of hand, they put in Davis.
- [68:56]
Bud Elliott
I think that was just. The game was out of hand.
- [68:59]
Tom Fornelli
I flipped it off when. When us. When it was obvious that Michigan wasn't.
- [69:02]
Bud Elliott
Going to come back. I. I thought USC did a very good job scheming around their offensive line by getting the ball out very quickly. Like, Jaden Maeve was basically just catching the snap, taking a step back and throwing. There wasn't a whole lot of dropping back going on, and it helped alleviate any potential Michigan pass rush by doing so. I think King Miller, who's the only running back that they had at the end of the game, who was part of the top six in their depth chart, you know, start the season, rushed for 158 yards. That boy is not on scholarship. He needs to be on scholarship. Yeah.
- [69:39]
Tom Fornelli
So, you know, pay up.
- [69:42]
Bud Elliott
I. I just thought USC's offense did very well. I thought their defense looked so much better. Getting Ramsey back. Gentry was phenomenal. I think that was the one difference, like, compared to what when we last saw them on the road against Illinois, because Illinois was cooking their defense. Michigan was not able to do that. But I also think part of that was Bryce Underwood did not play well. He was. He. He made some really awesome throws, but he was just very inconsistent. He was missing a lot of throws. I do think that they have a guy in. Andrew Marsh at receiver finally is 138 yards. I think Donovan McCully continues to have big catches for him, but I don't think he's somebody on third down. But my concern for USC is I've seen this before where they play well at home and then they go on the road and they look like a completely different team. And next week they're on the road against Notre Dame. So huge win. I think it's probably their biggest win since joining the Big Ten Conference play. But now follow it up, go on the road next week and beat Notre Dame.
- [70:49]
Chip Patterson
I was going to say in this. And they've got a buy on the other side of that too. I mean, this is. I'm not going to. No college football coach would say that you pour everything into one game because that normally ends poorly. But USC pour everything into this game because this is your season. Like, if you go beat Notre Dame now, you've got that one last piece of wiggle room because the rest of the schedule is not loaded with quality opportunities.
- [71:16]
Bud Elliott
You know, you're talking about, you got, you got five and one Nebraska, you got four and two Northwestern, you got four and two Iowa, you got five and one Oregon. And you've got the juggernaut ucla like they've got nothing but a gauntlet for the rest of the season.
- [71:34]
Chip Patterson
You, if you win back to back games against Michigan and Notre Dame, you get one game forgiveness, you know, and with Oregon left on that schedule, it'd be nice to have one game forgiveness in your back pocket.
- [71:46]
Tom Fornelli
So Notre Dame next week or they.
- [71:48]
Chip Patterson
Get the buy next week?
- [71:49]
Bud Elliott
No, it's next week.
- [71:51]
Tom Fornelli
Okay.
- [71:53]
Bud Elliott
But it's at night, so Lincoln can't complain.
- [71:55]
Tom Fornelli
Too much quarterback matchup.
- [71:57]
Chip Patterson
Man.
- [71:58]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Car is playing so well. My was good.
- [72:02]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's fun. And Chris Ash, no longer Chris Trash. Two straight weeks of the defense having four plus sacks or three plus and three plus interceptions. How about that? Stepping up. Jaden Maeve, as you mentioned, I thought, had a terrific performance in this game and got some, got some shots of Lincoln on the sideline during a couple of those pivotal plays because it was dicey. I mean, you know, this game was kind of a little bit tighter. But then once they blew this thing open late third quarter into the fourth quarter, I felt like some of those celebrations from Lincoln on the sideline deep meant something. He was, he was, he was tired of these tough Big Ten losses. It was, it was good to get a big quality one, especially with it being the first time that they played since that loss at Illinois just two weeks ago. Speaking of Tom, you got to see the number one team in the country.
- [73:02]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. And they lost to Ohio State. And it was sad. I, yeah, I, we talked about it. We touched on it a little bit. Talked about. Everybody's kind of compressed. I talked before the season began. Like the exciting part of the preseason was there was like eight teams you felt like had a legitimate shot to win a national title. But I also said that by mid October we'll probably be down to two or three where we feel that way. I, I think Ohio State's going to win another national title. I, I just think they're exceptionally good. Yeah. Because they did not play all that well today and they controlled the game anyway. And I think defensively they are just at a different level than anybody else in the country, both from personnel wise and I think coaching wise. And then offensively we know they have Jeremiah Smith. I think Julian Saying is not the best quarterback in the country. I don't even know if I'd say he's one of the five best or 10 best quarterbacks in the country right now. He could be. But I think what's really impressive about him is his accuracy and his poise. For somebody who is as young and inexperienced as he is now. I guess it's easy to be confident and poised when you know you can just throw it up to Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate and those guys. But that's the fact of the matter. And I think that that was, that's the best team I've seen by far all year long. And it's not even exciting. Like they're just kind of going out there and slowly boa constrictoring teams and beating them. And I felt like this game like you could you look at the stats and you're like, hey man. Illinois held Ohio State to 4.3 yards per play. Like, you know, they didn't have a play over 20 yards. And that's all true. Illinois also never had a chance to win this game. Like they just absolutely smother you right from the jump.
- [75:00]
Tom Fornelli
It is hard to get a lot of yards per play if you're constantly in the red zone. Right. Which, I mean, how many drives did, did Ohio State start in in Illinois Territory?
- [75:15]
Bud Elliott
Four touchdown drives. Yeah. And they were 35 yards, 26 yards, 63 yards, 24 yards.
- [75:21]
Tom Fornelli
I just think like the number of pieces they have on defense that lets them play so many different types of matchup ball is pretty wild. Like it's, it's, it's like that Pistons team that beat the Lakers, you know, back 20 years ago, like they just, they could match up in a lot of different ways and then they had a couple shooters could knock down shots and, and I don't know how the hell I'm pulling out 20 year old NBA references here, but like they, they.
- [75:46]
Bud Elliott
Really didn't grind in preseason.
- [75:50]
Chip Patterson
Magic.
- [75:52]
Tom Fornelli
Do you remember that team? Like they ever thought the Lakers would roll them.
- [75:54]
Chip Patterson
And yeah, Rasheed Wallace is and has been a formative favorite basketball player at any level.
- [76:00]
Tom Fornelli
Rip Hamilton I think was right. Like just.
- [76:02]
Chip Patterson
Yes.
- [76:03]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Like really, really good defensive guys. They got stops.
- [76:06]
Chip Patterson
You know, Wallace is the rest of your starting five for a They're like rich team. Yeah.
- [76:11]
Tom Fornelli
Crazy talented on defense and super gritty. I will say this. Look, think about who they've played so far. We know Illinois has had a lot of issues with offensive line health. I guess theoretically, if they get fully healthy, maybe they're still potentially a good offensive line.
- [76:29]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [76:30]
Tom Fornelli
Didn't. Didn't the center get hurt again?
- [76:31]
Bud Elliott
He got hurt, but he was able to get back in the game.
- [76:33]
Tom Fornelli
But yeah, like, Texas has some O line problems. If you want to nitpick Ohio State. And I, I mean, I had him win. I had him winning the Big Ten. You know, it's. It's easy to play coverage. People can't block you. And I don't know that I'm totally sold.
- [76:49]
Bud Elliott
This.
- [76:49]
Tom Fornelli
Ohio State's defensive front is as good as maybe some of the, like, they're not like that Georgia front that, that one two for Kirby. They're not like the, like the one that Nick. I don't think maybe I'm wrong on it.
- [77:01]
Chip Patterson
I, I.
- [77:02]
Tom Fornelli
Here's the back end is so damn good.
- [77:04]
Chip Patterson
Okay, here's where I think you are wrong.
- [77:05]
Tom Fornelli
If they face a team that can block them, maybe like, we'll see a different challenge out there. Are like Notre Dame, a Miami, maybe Bama could block them.
- [77:19]
Chip Patterson
If, if we use a time machine. I do agree with you. This is not those Georgia teams. If they were, you know, matched against each other, but matched against the 2025 opponents that they are playing right now.
- [77:33]
Bud Elliott
Right.
- [77:34]
Chip Patterson
I think that they are the monster. I think we talk a lot about who is the monster in college.
- [77:39]
Tom Fornelli
Well, they can test so many throws.
- [77:41]
Bud Elliott
Chip mean. Yeah, because they grab the shit out of you, but, like, that's great. To Bud's point, though, like, they had four sacks today, but they did not get any pressure without bringing extra rushers. Like, whenever they dropped four, Illinois handled them pretty well. So that could be a problem against other teams. But like, Bud's saying their secondary is just so freaking good that you, like, unless you have NFL receivers. And spoiler alert, Ohio State has all the NFL receivers. It's really hard to get guys open against them. Yeah.
- [78:14]
Tom Fornelli
You know, they're gonna pop an explosive for two. That may be all they need.
- [78:20]
Chip Patterson
It's if, if we're gonna be reaching in the wayback machine. It's a little bit like your Pre Hertz and TUA Alabama teams especially. Like, you think about the Amari Cooper sort of vintage where you did have the one player who was like, oh, my God, this is. Nobody can guard this guy. If this guy springs it, you're cooked. So you've got that at least as a threat at all times. But then the defense is just loaded up and just tilt it, just slowly tilting the game. Because today, like you mentioned, Tom, it wasn't perfect for Ohio State, but they just like took the joy out of that stadium so early. They were, I mean, student section wearing all orange, sitting on their hands, you know, just the. Even in the down double digits looking out there like, oh gosh, yeah, this is. And we're texting, right. Man, I think Illinois's offensive line is holding up, but just they were a few bad breaks and boom. Short field touchdown. Short field touchdown. Short field touchdown. Just.
- [79:24]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I mean Illinois did everything that you can't do if you're trying to beat that team.
- [79:28]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [79:30]
Bud Elliott
And that's. I'm not taking anything away from them. I'm just saying like we were joking before the show. I said, honestly, the fact that I can argue Illinois beat themselves more than Ohio State beat them makes me feel great about this game, especially compared to what happened against Indiana.
- [79:49]
Chip Patterson
One last, one last note on the positive side in the Big Ten. So, so what are we going to do with UCLA moving?
- [80:03]
Tom Fornelli
Enjoy watching them enjoy it.
- [80:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [80:06]
Tom Fornelli
Like, look at like the last 11 quarters of football for this Michigan State defense. You see that? It's clearly better, right? Like they're letting Nico run the ball more. They're creating nice looks. He made a bunch of really nice throw stage.
- [80:22]
Chip Patterson
I mean you say, hey listen, you said at halftime of this game I would take the liveline UCLA -13 and a half.
- [80:28]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, yeah.
- [80:29]
Chip Patterson
You offered that out on CBS Sports HQ and you were right.
- [80:32]
Tom Fornelli
I was talking to Tommy in, in the green room. Well, not. What do we call the room, like the, the watching room down, down at hq.
- [80:38]
Chip Patterson
Like where it might as well be a green room. It's, you know, where you sit to watch the games. Yeah.
- [80:42]
Tom Fornelli
I was like, dude, UCLA second half team total is 12 and a half.
- [80:48]
Chip Patterson
Ow.
- [80:49]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Like we think Michigan State's gonna get any stops here and now. Granted they didn't score in the fourth quarter, so like they barely covered that. But is Michigan State gonna open?
- [81:02]
Bud Elliott
I.
- [81:03]
Chip Patterson
All right, so what? Yeah. Luke Fickle, Jonathan Smith.
- [81:08]
Bud Elliott
I think it could. Yeah. And I think.
- [81:12]
Chip Patterson
Do you think it opens because he leaves? I.
- [81:16]
Bud Elliott
Well, maybe. Are you asking me if he's going to take the job of the team he just lost to?
- [81:21]
Chip Patterson
Yes, I am.
- [81:22]
Bud Elliott
That depends if another Big Ten coach doesn't beat him there. But I just, I feel like it's not working like you would. You haven't actually seen any progress. It feels like it's going backwards. You know, he comes in, he brings Aiden Chiles, and you look at his history of being able to develop quarterbacks at Oregon State, he's not developing them at Michigan State. Then he hires Joe Ross. He's the defense coordinator, a hire I thought was brilliant because I really, really respected Rossi's defenses at Minnesota. And as Bud's just been talking about, this defense is. It's. It's cheeks like it is bad. And I just. I don't know if Michigan State really has the stomach to go through another kind of coaching change after Mel Tucker, how that ended and then coming to Smith and then moving on that quickly. But I. I don't feel like it's going to work. Like, I do feel like if he comes back next year, it's just going to be like biting time.
- [82:25]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I agree.
- [82:28]
Chip Patterson
Okay. Did. Is. Did Hugh freeze get done in by Jackson Arnold's fumble on the goal line? Because it was 10, 0, Auburn and Auburn and was driving and Jackson Arnold was leaning across the goal line to make it 17 to nothing. But the ball got punched out and Georgia recovered. They did not run it all the way back, but they did at least march the ball down the field. And they did proceed from the end of the first half on into the second half and the rest of the game to put together a 20 to nothing run against Jackson Arnold and the Auburn Tigers.
- [83:11]
Bud Elliott
First, raise your hands if you thought he fumbled before crossing the goal line.
- [83:16]
Chip Patterson
I thought he was across.
- [83:18]
Tom Fornelli
I thought. I think he scored.
- [83:19]
Bud Elliott
So do I. So three, nothing sweep here. Yeah.
- [83:24]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Did you see their drives for Auburn after that happened? Negative 1, 17. Negative 2, 6, 4, 25. End of game. Yep.
- [83:41]
Bud Elliott
To be fair, it's hard to find consistency on offense when they are reviewing every single play in this game. This was just a horrible watch. Yeah, I mean, it was great in like a car wreck kind of way, but it was just a horrible football game because there was absolutely no rhythm to it, no flow. There were terrible calls being made the entire time for both sides, although more heavily tilted in Georgia's favor than I would Auburn. No, I was clapping, Bud. I'm clapping.
- [84:12]
Tom Fornelli
That's not a time I'm clapping. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah.
- [84:14]
Bud Elliott
Like, oh, my God. And I'm actually shocked that they didn't give Georgia the touchdown after that fumble, even though the guy who recovered it, I'm pretty sure went to the sideline before Kirby started saying, no, no, Run to the end zone. Like, I think he was out of bounds, but I'm shocked that the rest didn't say. Actually, yeah, he did score and he never stepped out of bounds. Kirby was clapping. He was clapping. Yay.
- [84:35]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [84:35]
Bud Elliott
That was a terrible football game. I don't think anybody should feel good about it.
- [84:39]
Chip Patterson
It was the Anxiety bowl as declared by Bud Elliot. Start. There's no happy, no joy called by Bud.
- [84:45]
Tom Fornelli
They just think they've done a really good job building this Auburn roster. They've just whiffed twice in a row at portal quarterback like Thorne. We first guessed like Thorne is not a good take by them. And the answer was like, well, we're not ready to win right now. I was like, got it. Cool. Keep spending the money in high school. That's a good roster. Like if you're Cam Coleman and you're Singleton, you're like, good God, like, please. I'm getting myself open against a pretty good Georgia dbs.
- [85:17]
Bud Elliott
And Arnold.
- [85:18]
Tom Fornelli
We at least theoretically saw some upside, but just doesn't have it. You know, I, I thought it was kind of amazing that they, they engineered three 75 yard drives in the first four against Jordan. That was their chance to like to throw the knockout punch. If it's 17, nothing there, I think maybe Auburn does win the game.
- [85:35]
Chip Patterson
All right, a little bit of accountability. You did discuss how John Mattier might change this team if he was on Auburn in the wake of what John Mater just did against Texas.
- [85:45]
Tom Fornelli
I think they win with John Mateer today.
- [85:50]
Chip Patterson
I mean it was. They Georgia just pinned it to your spat. I was like, hey, here we're just going to start firing linebackers out of a cannon at you and you're just going to freak out like, Cam, Cam Coleman's got no chance because he can't get open in the 1.5 seconds it takes for us to get you off your mark and off schedule.
- [86:09]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, I know freezes buyout is cheap, especially by Auburn standards, but like.
- [86:15]
Bud Elliott
Man.
- [86:17]
Tom Fornelli
Don'T you go throw like 5 million at a quarterback this off season. You're not going to keep getting it wrong forever. Maybe you will in theory. I guess you technically could, but byu, BYU misses the field goal in overtime. Oh, so no, sorry. That's a replay. It's a replay.
- [86:37]
Bud Elliott
My bad.
- [86:38]
Tom Fornelli
Excuse me.
- [86:40]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. BYU, Arizona ongoing right now. Utah currently with a 28 to 10 lead against the Fighting Jeff Sims.
- [86:47]
Bud Elliott
What do you guys think is the absolute best this Georgia team can do with Gunner Stock in the qb?
- [86:58]
Tom Fornelli
Make the SEC championship game, maybe win it in A given day. Because all these teams are very even. Do you not think like Ohio State, we eat this kid alive, though.
- [87:08]
Bud Elliott
Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's the one thing when I watch this Georgia team, like, clearly they're not the same team that they were when they were winning those titles. Yeah. But it's just as I watched, I'm like, man, they are so held back. Their quarterback situation, it's just, it's. Yeah, I think you should have gone and gotten somebody in the portal once Carson left. I think Kirby was a little too loyal.
- [87:37]
Chip Patterson
Quickly before we hit tomorrow's top 25 today and sort of bring this thing home. Texas A and M handled business against Florida. Good win.
- [87:49]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I, I, Yeah, I think so. That offensive line for a.
- [87:55]
Bud Elliott
It was damn good, man.
- [87:57]
Tom Fornelli
Yep. Zero tackles for loss allowed against a.
- [88:02]
Chip Patterson
Very good defensive front that was feasting last week against their in state rival Texas.
- [88:09]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, like if we're talking best offensive lines in the sport, it's A M or Miami.
- [88:15]
Bud Elliott
Or maybe I'm in Miami, but I'm going Miami. But I think.
- [88:19]
Chip Patterson
Who else would you put in the mix? Would Missouri get a word? If they're fully healthy?
- [88:26]
Tom Fornelli
I think that level, but maybe close. Yeah.
- [88:29]
Bud Elliott
Missouri's offensive line, when it's really healthy is I think an excellent run blocking offensive line. I don't know if I'd consider it a great pass blocking offensive line. I think Indiana's is good. I think Ohio State's is good. I think, I think Texas. Texas. All right. I think their defensive line is the star of the show. I think their offensive line doesn't get much love and I think they're better than they get credit for.
- [88:57]
Tom Fornelli
Up until today, I really didn't think that that organs was bad at all. You know, they might have.
- [89:03]
Chip Patterson
I don't know what this is going to take a real recalibration. They might have had a bad day or Penn State's defensive front might not be what we thought. And therefore now we're sort of like sliding all the different scales around. I'm not sure.
- [89:19]
Tom Fornelli
Bama's pretty good.
- [89:21]
Chip Patterson
Baby's not.
- [89:22]
Tom Fornelli
I don't think, I don't think they're that level, but they're, they're pretty good.
- [89:25]
Chip Patterson
I would not put them up there with the two that we mentioned. I would put Miami and Texas A and M in my top tier.
- [89:31]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [89:31]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I would agree. So, yeah, I mean, those are good. Like they're really good.
- [89:37]
Chip Patterson
Texas A M is really good.
- [89:39]
Tom Fornelli
So I think what makes it, what makes A and M good too. Chip, I think is like the fact that they have had a lot of young guys step up on defense. Like, we knew the O line was probably going to be really good.
- [89:49]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I agree. Good performance from that group today.
- [89:55]
Tom Fornelli
Lsu, let me ask about A M. Sorry.
- [89:57]
Chip Patterson
Okay.
- [89:57]
Tom Fornelli
One more thing on this. If not Bama is A M the best team in sec. Georgia, who are you taking?
- [90:07]
Bud Elliott
I mean, I'm not convinced Texas A M is not better than Bama.
- [90:11]
Tom Fornelli
Okay, fair enough. Right?
- [90:12]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [90:12]
Tom Fornelli
Like, they.
- [90:15]
Chip Patterson
I mean, I'm taking Texas A M. Why? Whoa. You taking Texas A M over Ole Miss?
- [90:22]
Bud Elliott
Yes. Yeah.
- [90:24]
Chip Patterson
As Ole Miss played with its food week before having to go to Athens. Played a game like they were already thinking about Athens. All right. Not. Not great. There's a. It's a real flush, flush and burn it type situation. This Texas A and M schedule. If you're watching@YouTube.com cover three, they are at Arkansas, at LSU, back to back weeks, then they're off, then they're at Missouri, then finish with the home trio of South Carolina. Sanford at Texas. What's. I mean, that looks like. That looks like 10 and 2, 11 and 1.
- [91:04]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. I mean, I think Texas A and M's going to the playoff.
- [91:08]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I like that. Texas A and M looks good. Has a good record deep into the season. I'm going to do the thing that's never failed before and trust Texas A and M to land the plane the second half of the year.
- [91:21]
Bud Elliott
When has a November ever gone wrong for the actor? Name one time.
- [91:28]
Chip Patterson
When you start 6 0, but you realize the universe has deemed you. Four more losses. What incredible existential dread. Yeah. Wisconsin was listless against Iowa. I mean, is. Are we. Have we checked in with our sources? Do we think that that's a podcast tomorrow?
- [91:49]
Tom Fornelli
No, I'll be around tomorrow. So if you're going to do it, please do it tomorrow.
- [91:54]
Chip Patterson
Are you staying in Fort Lauderdale?
- [91:56]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I'm doing top 25 and some other stuff. Yeah.
- [91:59]
Chip Patterson
Okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, well, in that case, sure, let's do it.
- [92:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [92:05]
Chip Patterson
No, no, that's great. Let's do it while Bud's in the studio.
- [92:08]
Tom Fornelli
That's what I'm saying.
- [92:09]
Chip Patterson
You could absolutely time that while he's there. That'd be ideal. Lsu. I'm. LSU did finish the job, right?
- [92:19]
Bud Elliott
Yes, they did. Okay. Yes.
- [92:21]
Chip Patterson
Was it 1710 final?
- [92:24]
Bud Elliott
They might have tacked on a field goal only. Check. 20 to 10.
- [92:31]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, 2010. I had. Man, I had it in a corner screen. I just knew it never looked great.
- [92:39]
Bud Elliott
You know, I had a good a.
- [92:40]
Tom Fornelli
Bit of it on.
- [92:41]
Chip Patterson
I'm gonna hold. I'm gonna hold my tongue until I get a better look at it because.
- [92:45]
Bud Elliott
Got lit up so many times.
- [92:48]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it went kind of like when we talked about it on. On the show how we thought like LSU could easily cover the. The guys that USC runs out there at receiver. Like society receivers are not a threat. LSU is like we got these guys easy, no problem. South Carolina hit like one I a 70 or 80 yard run up until like probably 40 minutes into the game. That run was more offense than South Carolina had like combined all the rest of their plays. So they really. And Sellers was not. Was not great. Granted his receivers were not super open, but this was a. I thought he had been playing quite well in recent weeks and this was a bit of like a regression maybe for him.
- [93:36]
Chip Patterson
Lenoris.
- [93:37]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [93:40]
Chip Patterson
So I'm running for his life a little bit. Saw him having, you know, thankful for his legs but, you know, wish NUS.
- [93:48]
Tom Fornelli
Got dinged up and then came back in. Van Buren was. Was warming up.
- [93:54]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I'll again I'll. I'll have more on that once I get any. What else is on the. On the DVR report. What else. What else did you spot? Note and maybe want to, you know, take. Take a look at once we get a chance to do a little deeper dive.
- [94:08]
Bud Elliott
Texas, I mean, the Big 12 should consider just naming Texas Tech its champion now. Save itself from any possible kind of shenanigans because that's the best team in the Big 12.
- [94:22]
Chip Patterson
They lost Baron Morton.
- [94:24]
Bud Elliott
That's what I'm saying. So protect them.
- [94:26]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [94:27]
Bud Elliott
Champs. Now you are a visionary, Brett. Your mark. Be a visionary. Just declare Texas Tech your champion and reserve their spot in the playoff. They're good shot of winning a game when they.
- [94:37]
Chip Patterson
They've got a gear where they can just like leave you in the dust. They obviously started fast against Kansas. Kansas fought back right near the end of the first half. Then all of a sudden the second half they're like, we're done messing. We need to end this game right now. And they did. And it's because they can clamp down to your point, Tom.
- [94:54]
Bud Elliott
On defense, they had nine sacks and 14 tackles for loss. Like their defensive line is so much better than every offensive line they're going to face in that league. It's not fair. Somebody's going to get hurt. Just declare them champs and let them start resting up for the playoff. Cam Dickey, 263 yards rushing. I mean, come on, dude.
- [95:16]
Tom Fornelli
The Big 12 needs this.
- [95:17]
Chip Patterson
Yes.
- [95:18]
Bud Elliott
This is for like, man, just protect those boys.
- [95:22]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, Iowa State lost to Colorado.
- [95:27]
Chip Patterson
Texas A.
- [95:27]
Tom Fornelli
Does Texas Tech have SECU loses to Kansas State?
- [95:30]
Chip Patterson
Does Texas Tech have an SEC defense?
- [95:34]
Bud Elliott
They had. They would have one of the better defenses in the SEC right now up front. I don't know if, I don't know if I'd say in the secondary they're quite there with some.
- [95:41]
Tom Fornelli
It's better than was last year.
- [95:42]
Chip Patterson
I think it's a line and linebackers, you know.
- [95:45]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [95:47]
Chip Patterson
In there.
- [95:47]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [95:49]
Bud Elliott
Oh, they. That's. That is money well spent. Like they did a very good job.
- [95:54]
Chip Patterson
That's good. Good. Absolutely like that a lot. Nebraska, Maryland was a. Was an adventure for everybody involved.
- [96:02]
Tom Fornelli
That was a fun game, man.
- [96:03]
Chip Patterson
It was an adventure.
- [96:04]
Tom Fornelli
Probably not real fun if you're a Nebraska or Maryland fan, but like, oh.
- [96:07]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's fun to watch.
- [96:10]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [96:12]
Chip Patterson
Colorado got a top 25 win.
- [96:15]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, they did.
- [96:17]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Your mark was probably kind of pissed today, right? A little bit.
- [96:23]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Today was not a good day for the Big 12. I mean TCU losing Kansas State, Iowa State losing to Colorado. Like, okay, Cincinnati still 5 and 1. Utah is going to be 5 and 1. But Arizona State's like, they don't have, you know, they lose Levitt. So that kind of completely throws them down. Just. Yeah, this is not a great day for the Big 12. Or it's hopes to get two teams in. Another reason to give Texas Tech the rest of the season off so that way they don't beat any more of your teams.
- [96:55]
Chip Patterson
I did not get any eyes on Clemson's win against Booty Cheeks. But you know, just what happens when you play BC Notre Dame against NC State. I don't have any thoughts yet.
- [97:10]
Tom Fornelli
107 at the half and they totally clamped him. Second half.
- [97:13]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I barely watched it. I couldn't tell you didn't watch a minute of it.
- [97:16]
Tom Fornelli
Is this peacock?
- [97:17]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [97:18]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [97:18]
Tom Fornelli
I still don't have a peacock.
- [97:19]
Bud Elliott
See, that's when they put it on peacock. It's hard for me to.
- [97:22]
Tom Fornelli
You know, you can't watch it on multi screen. Right? Like.
- [97:25]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [97:25]
Bud Elliott
And you can't flip back and forth. So it makes it a pain in the ass. It's like, come on, you can't get.
- [97:29]
Tom Fornelli
You can't ask for a bar to turn it on. If you're. If you're like at a place trying to watch a bunch of games. Yeah, it's.
- [97:33]
Bud Elliott
Now if it was.
- [97:34]
Tom Fornelli
I don't get any eyes on games.
- [97:35]
Bud Elliott
I would watch the hell out.
- [97:37]
Tom Fornelli
I have Paramount plus Paramount.
- [97:38]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [97:39]
Tom Fornelli
Like.
- [97:39]
Bud Elliott
And it's a beautiful app with wonderful content.
- [97:42]
Tom Fornelli
This is why we know Tom does not watch Love Island.
- [97:45]
Chip Patterson
So I was.
- [97:46]
Tom Fornelli
Because he was a Love island fan, he'd have peacock.
- [97:48]
Chip Patterson
I was. I was. I was live blogging the the Indian Oregon game for CBS Sports.com which meant that I had to limit my normal screen intake just to make sure that I was producing the best content as possible, which meant that, unfortunately, I was not able to be locked into the mothership for number one on my DVR report. UNLV 51, Air Force 48.
- [98:11]
Tom Fornelli
Oh, I did see this.
- [98:12]
Chip Patterson
Okay, so please this one. Six zero. Dan Mullen is six zero with the UNLV rebels right now. And all of these games are just bananas.
- [98:31]
Tom Fornelli
Our assessment that, like, maybe you. You know, these defenses is awful from week one is pro. We need to reassert the assertion. Like. Like Tom did also when we said, hey, maybe Air Force, like, their secondary is really, really bad, and maybe the front's not that bad, so it could be. Okay, well, guess what? In this one, it. Not having a secondary actually was detrimental to them. UNLV lets them score late so they can go back down and score themselves. Good job of game management there, like, legitimately. 5,000, 148 or something like that.
- [99:02]
Bud Elliott
It was.
- [99:03]
Tom Fornelli
It was a wild game.
- [99:05]
Bud Elliott
42 points in the fourth quarter.
- [99:07]
Tom Fornelli
Air Force actually had him confused for, like, the first eight minutes or so. And then there was a cool graphic CBS put up on the screen. It was like, the last two plays for UNLV are like 118 yards and two touchdowns. Like, oh, that's. Yeah, that sounds about right.
- [99:18]
Chip Patterson
Yeah. To your point. Air Force ran 82 plays for 598 yards. UNLV ran 57 scrimmage plays for 595. So we had 595. That's 7.29 yards per play to 10.44 yards per play.
- [99:37]
Bud Elliott
This game was only seven to seven after the first quarter.
- [99:42]
Chip Patterson
And there was only one turnover.
- [99:44]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, that's shameful to have commit any turnovers in this game.
- [99:52]
Chip Patterson
I mean, it was a fumble loss. It was literally just a, you know, a totally Oopsie Daisy Emi on that one. Yeah, that was. That's number one on my. Can't wait to dig in on it. It looked bananas. The ending looked insane. I. I can't wait to. To take it all in that one from earlier in the day. All right, any others before we hit one last break and then tomorrow's top 25 USF.
- [100:18]
Bud Elliott
Oh, rest in Peace. North Texas, bro.
- [100:27]
Chip Patterson
That's. So they. They treated them like Charlotte. Oh, they got out of hand quickly.
- [100:38]
Bud Elliott
Feel like those are. That's one of those situations where I feel bad because, like, that was the most excited, I think North Texas has ever been about a football game. Like, they were, like, actively talking about how the students were showing up to a game, and they never show up to the games, and everybody was super hyped. And I just feel like that suc is you finally get people to pay attention to your team, and they show up, and then you get 63 dropped on you.
- [101:01]
Chip Patterson
It feels like they're not.
- [101:03]
Tom Fornelli
They're never coming back.
- [101:05]
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
- [101:06]
Tom Fornelli
If you can't affect the lines of scrimmage against one of those old school browse offenses, you're gonna have real problems.
- [101:14]
Chip Patterson
No doubt.
- [101:15]
Tom Fornelli
All right, now, granted, that's probably for any offense. Also, Navy is undefeated. That helps Notre Dame's resume a lot, actually. At this point, Temple should have.
- [101:23]
Chip Patterson
Should have beat them, but they need to. Oh, I was tracking that one. That's.
- [101:30]
Tom Fornelli
I mean, the 51 yard touchdown run. They give up with like, like 40 seconds left.
- [101:34]
Chip Patterson
I mean, I saw somebody try to add it into the Phillies and Penn State and the Eagles. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. Temple's a stretch. Okay, Shout out to Sharon. Okay. I know that the cherry in the white there. There are passionate or passionate Temple fans out there, but I can't tie that full. I can't. I can't loop it all together.
- [101:54]
Bud Elliott
It went for two.
- [101:55]
Tom Fornelli
BYU just won it. Overtime.
- [101:58]
Chip Patterson
All right, man.
- [101:59]
Tom Fornelli
Undefeated byu.
- [102:01]
Bud Elliott
They screamed. That's for you, bud. Elliot elite team.
- [102:06]
Chip Patterson
Coming up on the other side, we give you our prediction of what the new AP Top 25 is going to look like and more nukes.
- [102:15]
Bud Elliott
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Chip Patterson
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Bud Elliott
Yes, I do too.
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Chip Patterson
Ohio State, Miami.
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Tom Fornelli
They jump A M. Yeah.
- [105:59]
Chip Patterson
Yes.
- [106:00]
Tom Fornelli
Okay.
- [106:00]
Bud Elliott
I mean they just beat Oregon.
- [106:02]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [106:03]
Chip Patterson
In Austin.
- [106:04]
Bud Elliott
In Austin on cbs and they thumped Illinois. That was a long time ago. Move on.
- [106:12]
Chip Patterson
Hey listen though, I need that for 02 against ranked teams last year, 20 against ranked teams this year.
- [106:17]
Bud Elliott
You know, they beat Oregon. That's all anybody needs to know. Okay.
- [106:21]
Chip Patterson
Texas A and M. I've actually got Texas A and M jumping Ole Miss because Texas A and M obviously had the win against Florida. Ole Miss struggled with Washington State and if you go into the voting points last week, those two were razor thin and then there was a little bit of a gap between three and four. So basically what I'm projecting is that Indiana moves more into Oregon slot in that debate for the top. And then as we look at the beginning of the next tier, tier 2 in the AP top 25, Texas A and M moves to the top of that list. Some slight shifts around. I've got. I think Oregon probably hangs on inside the top 10. You know, looking at that 8, 9 to 10 range, maybe if Georgia or LSU were more impressive, they could get knocked down as low as 12. But I don't see that being the case given how Georgia and LSU played. So I've got the Ducks checking in ahead of the Dogs checking in ahead of the Tigers as one of the top one loss teams in the country. Any thoughts on where Oklahoma falls?
- [107:26]
Tom Fornelli
Well, their, their resume is aging like milk. Right. I, I noted Michigan got blown out.
- [107:33]
Chip Patterson
If voters were noting that Auburn and Michigan lost, then Oklahoma's resume got weaker because I don't think Auburn or Michigan are going to be ranked in the new AP top 25.
- [107:45]
Bud Elliott
I would say they're going to still be in the top 15, but I don't know if they're going to be that much higher than that.
- [107:51]
Chip Patterson
I've got them at 13, so you and I are seeing that pretty similar.
- [107:54]
Tom Fornelli
Similarly, do they fall behind Georgia Tech?
- [107:58]
Chip Patterson
I, I've got. It's right there, you know, like I slotted it, but I don't feel that.
- [108:05]
Tom Fornelli
That fall behind Missouri.
- [108:08]
Chip Patterson
I think Missouri falls down to Vanderbilt. Missouri and Vanderbilt have pretty similar. Like Vanderbilt beat South Carolina by more but they both got a win against South Carolina, a win against a non conference power conference team and a loss to Alabama. The Missouri, Vanderbilt sort of pairing works pretty well. I'm giving Vanderbilt the slight edge at 17, Missouri at 18.
- [108:32]
Bud Elliott
But you know, where was Missouri this week? 14.
- [108:35]
Chip Patterson
14.
- [108:36]
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
- [108:36]
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Okay. So then, yeah, just got to slide them down or up.
- [108:41]
Chip Patterson
I think Texas is back.
- [108:45]
Bud Elliott
In the.
- [108:46]
Tom Fornelli
Where in the rankings.
- [108:48]
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
- [108:50]
Bud Elliott
Is this like Sam Ellinger, Texas is back or.
- [108:53]
Chip Patterson
Well, all right, so last week there were 27th in voting points. If they were 27th before they even had a win against a power conference team after getting a top 10 win, I, I think they're not going to like Notre Dame right now is the top two lost team. I don't think they're jumping Notre Dame, but I think that's sort of the gravity that we're talking about where they might get ahead of your South Florida's and Memphis just based on the win.
- [109:20]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, you're right.
- [109:22]
Chip Patterson
Even if Texas is untrustworthy moving forward.
- [109:25]
Tom Fornelli
How about who's for sure out?
- [109:26]
Chip Patterson
Chip, who's for sure out? I've got. I think Michigan is going to get replaced by usc. I've got Illinois out, Iowa State out, Florida State out. Welcome to the party. Both Nebraska and Cincinnati and.
- [109:44]
Tom Fornelli
Wait, you said Arizona State and Iowa State.
- [109:47]
Chip Patterson
Arizona State will be. I haven't updated it, obviously, but Utah State probably. I mean, Utah probably just takes Iowa State spot in that case, too. So like USC did with Michigan.
- [109:58]
Bud Elliott
So you've got an Illinois team with. With three power four wins and losses to two top three teams out, but the Texas team with one power four win and a loss to Florida, who's not Right. Okay. Yeah, no, sure.
- [110:12]
Chip Patterson
That's right. I do.
- [110:15]
Bud Elliott
Cool.
- [110:16]
Tom Fornelli
Not Chip's opinion is. It's what he thinks will happen.
- [110:18]
Bud Elliott
Oh, no, Chip, Chip. This is what Chip wants to happen.
- [110:24]
Chip Patterson
If they had been closer to, you know, 12, maybe we could have been talking about it.
- [110:31]
Bud Elliott
But why don't you ask Ohio State who was tougher?
- [110:35]
Tom Fornelli
Does Cincinnati get in?
- [110:37]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I've got Cincinnati and Nebraska both.
- [110:40]
Tom Fornelli
Getting in and USC in Texas.
- [110:43]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, Cincinnati was. Cincinnati was 26th in voting points last week and a very small margin was separating 26 from 23. Like, basically all of those were about the same amount of support. So. So, you know, I think that Nebraska now 5 and 1 with the win over Cincinnati, Cincinnati knocking on the door last week, I think both those teams get hoovered up. Trojans get in. Utes get in. Nice. Nice little flip. Even if it's not nothing major outside of the Indiana and Oregon swaps at the top 10. No other issues.
- [111:24]
Tom Fornelli
Man, it is a hard season to make, like, real passionate arguments for some of these teams, like I think Tom's point he just made about Illinois is.
- [111:31]
Bud Elliott
A really good one.
- [111:32]
Tom Fornelli
But like teams racking up losses, man.
- [111:35]
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I, I don't expect Illinois to be ranked tomorrow. But I will say if Illinois was named USC with the same resume, they would still be ranked.
- [111:43]
Chip Patterson
Navy's win over Temple keeps them undefeated. Will they be ranked? My prediction is no. That is because they were 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. They were 37th in voting points last week. Just four voting points which was either. I don't have it pulled up right now, either four 25th place votes or one or two people who are really bullish, but not more bullish than 21. So Navy's still got some work to do even as they remain unbeaten.
- [112:16]
Tom Fornelli
They also have a one point win over Temple, a three point win over Air Force, a one score win over Rice. They did beat Tulsa handily and they also beat uab.
- [112:30]
Chip Patterson
Hey, but they're undefeated.
- [112:32]
Tom Fornelli
Like the will they is closer than the should they be.
- [112:37]
Chip Patterson
Will they, they will be probably in the top 30. They'll get, they'll get some straight 25s for sure. That is, that's my projection.
- [112:48]
Bud Elliott
Can I ask you guys something?
- [112:50]
Chip Patterson
Sure.
- [112:51]
Bud Elliott
What's more impressive resume went over Purdue and went over Arkansas, went over Boise State and went over NC State and losses to Miami and Texas A M. Or went over Duke, went over USC and went over the same Purdue team. Then two other wins that I'm not really going to compare or losses to the number one in three teams team because Mr. Patterson's got one of those teams in the top 15 and the other one he doesn't have ranked at all.
- [113:20]
Tom Fornelli
This is probably like the best example this week of the like, you know, quality of play rather than just win loss. It's the dichotomy we get every week. Right. I'm not going to argue for FS should be ranked on resume over Notre Dame this week.
- [113:36]
Bud Elliott
By the way.
- [113:40]
Chip Patterson
I think Notre Dame showed in its losses a closer margin than Illinois did.
- [113:52]
Bud Elliott
Well, that's like your opinion. That's an opinion. I'm asking you for a fact. I mean the chat really does not get it.
- [114:06]
Chip Patterson
I need a TI83 to calculate that one, but I'm pretty sure margins were a bit tighter, you know, whatever.
- [114:16]
Bud Elliott
Okay, sure.
- [114:17]
Chip Patterson
All right. Okay.
- [114:19]
Bud Elliott
Indiana beats Notre Dame by 80. But sure, go for it.
- [114:22]
Chip Patterson
Okay, so we'll, we'll see if Chip's right about Illinois. Take falling from 17 to out of the rankings. The new rankings will come out on Sunday. You can go and read my analysis over on CBS Sports. We will react to the new AP Top 25 when the new rankings come out when we gather back together on Monday for upon further review. It was a big one, you know.
- [114:51]
Tom Fornelli
Hell of a day.
- [114:52]
Chip Patterson
So more stuff that still left on the little meat left on the bone. Just a little.
- [114:58]
Bud Elliott
It was a week that will have ramifications for sure at the end of the year.
- [115:03]
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I'll agree. I'll agree with that wholeheartedly. All right. We will be back on Monday, 11am Eastern Time to continue to put the final touches on week seven and then turn our attention ahead to week eight. And you can follow him on Twitter @Tom for no, you can follow him at Bud Elliott 3. You can follow me at chip under underscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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