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Bud Elliott
Welcome Back to the COVID 3 podcast with your hosts Chip Patterson, Tom Fernelli.
Tom Fornelli
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Chip Patterson
And welcome back to the COVID 3 podcast here on CBS Sports. That's Tom Fornelli. That's Dale Earn. No, sorry, that's Bud Elliott. I'm Chip Patterson coming to you live@YouTube.com cover3 and everywhere you get your podcast on demand. Thanks for hanging out. Smash that subscribe smash that like and come and join us in the chat aka the COVID 3 tailgate where they're loving the jacket, they're loving the look. Bud Elliott how we doing?
Bud Elliott
Doing pretty well, man. This is, this is the second order. I had to order this on Wednesday. This is a 3x. I think we have some Asian sizing on this because the. The 1x I would have had to get like a belly button piercing. So I was like, I. I gotta pivot. I've had the hat since law school. So you get the hat, you get the jacket. Let's. We got a pretty nice day at college football, actually. This was, this was fun.
Chip Patterson
It was a very good day of college football. Digestible. You know, you kind of got it in stages. Afternoon slate was a little bit loaded, but I do think that there is, there's a lot for us to get into. What I would. I would like to begin, even though as we are coming to you live on YouTube.com cover3 a shade early, the Jeff Sims Experience. Experience. Currently marching. Trying to get a history. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's gonna be the end of that. That's. That's Arizona State going down. We'll. We'll update much more. The Houston Cougars nearly blew a 24 point fourth quarter lead. But. But it appears as though they will hold on. I want to start actually at the be. Let's actually go to Death Valley because they were booing, they were chanting, friar Brian Kelly, Tom Fornelli. I kind of think this is a Texas A and M story. I think this is a good ass Texas A and M team. And to bring a conversation that, you know, we were having in our college football slack room, I think this is probably the most well rounded Texas A and M team since you and I started working at CBS Sports in 2010.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, by a lot.
Chip Patterson
Because we're throwing out a lot of like 90s, right. You know, first time that Texas A M has been in this kind of position win loss wise, you know, since the 90s. And of course, they're only the last conference championship that we can point to is back in 1998. I can't. I was not covering college football in 1998. I don't have that. I was in. I was but a lad in Keenan Stadium with my parents watching.
Tom Fornelli
Staring the sun.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, staring in the sun. So I don't have a reference point for this. Offense, defense, special teams. They whooped LSU's ass. I kind of think this is a Texas A and M story. We'll get to the Brian Kelly of it all. But like, don't you think. Am I off base here?
Tom Fornelli
No. They went into Tiger Stadium and they put up 49 points. They were up 31 in the fourth quarter. And they were trailing at halftime. Like, there was. I. I had sat there and I was worried because, like, worried's the wrong word. But, like, they had been playing very well to start the game, and then they suddenly found themselves trailing at halftime. And I thought, oh, man, this is going to be like your. This is going to be one of those Aggie performances where they had it and they're going to blow their chance and it's just not going to go well. And then they just came out in the second half, third quarter, just lit them up 21 points right off the jump to take firm control of the game and never really let it go. And I mean, this is. Yeah, like we've talked about it, they have a great offensive line. They have a very good defensive line. They've got great skill guys at receiver and running back. They've got a quarterback who can make stuff happen. They're even good on special teams, as we saw with KC Concepcion returning that punt for a touchdown. Like, there isn't really a glaring weakness. Yeah, they will give up points when they're facing very good passing offenses, but that's really the bane of every single team in the country. So it's not really like. The best way to put it, I honestly think, is I don't know that the Aggies can win a national title. I don't know that they will win the sec, but they're not going to collapse. They're not going anywhere. Like that typical late half season swoon that you were used to seeing from the Aggies back in the big 12 days and even into their SEC days, it's not coming, man, because now, look, they get this win and you look at their schedule the rest of the way, next week's game got a lot easier because Beau Pribula won't be playing in it. And then it's just like, it is really difficult to see this team losing more than one game out of its Final Four. And it's really difficult for them to not see them in Atlanta at this point.
Bud Elliott
At a minimum, you know, to Tom's point, like, we. We talk about the flattening of the sport, right? How these teams are not as good as they used to be because the portal in il, you just can't stack your roster, you know, quite like you used to be able to do. Who would you not feel good about A M going up against? Like, to me, it's really only if Ohio State is a death.
Tom Fornelli
Is.
Bud Elliott
Is truly a death star, right? Like, they still have more Tough games coming. Like, they, they might be, they might not be. If they're not. I mean, like, who out there looks definitively better than a C and M team right now? I'm not really seeing anybody except for maybe the Buckeyes. It's not saying, like, they're unbeatable. It's not saying they wouldn't be, you know, dogs to bam if they meet in Atlanta for the SEC title. It's not saying like, Indiana couldn't hang with them or, you know, if Oregon's playing really well or, you know, take your pick, right? But guys, 11 TFLs for A and M. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, they were on that ass all night. It was pretty awesome.
Bud Elliott
That was like a line of scrimmage beat down. And they, they survived some of this Tiger like, like Tiger Stadium, LSU voodoo stuff to go into half to Thomas point. Like with like they did not have the lead at half. It was 15, 14, right? I was like, oh my God. Like they had a chance to really step on the neck in the first half. Didn't do it. Came out. They found the neck in the second half and stepped it. I mean, like that. That's really like they, they put the hammer down and found a gear that LSU could just not shift into. Like, that was really impressive. I mean, they got Reed calmed down some. I thought Colin Klein called an excellent game. Really. Like, he was counter punching everything that Baker, the LSU DC threw out of it. That was like, that was a good watch. And I, I enjoyed the chess match, but like, it wasn't that good of a chess game. Like, that was pretty one sided overall in what, 150 yard edge in total yards. But I mean, 20 minutes to go, that's pretty much done. Like, that was, that was an ass whipping.
Tom Fornelli
Like how many backflips were like the insides of Aggies fans doing when that punk got blocked? You know? You know, it's just. It's like, like one of those nights. Yeah, the whole floor had to drop out from beneath you. You were just like. You were like the. What, that one spongebob meme where it's all blurry.
Chip Patterson
What, what about the LSU side?
Tom Fornelli
They stink in their offensive line is terrible. Gave up seven sacks, 11 tackles for loss. The offense, I mean, like, they came out and they scored that touchdown. They got another touchdown when they were given the short field, but other than that, like, they didn't do anything. They finished with 278 yards of offense, 4.2 yards per play. I mean, that was. I don't know, man. It's it's been the same game all year long. Texas A and M just put their foot on the gas and took it to him. And then the entire crowd is chanting fire Kelly as he's walking off the field. And you could like audibly hear it while Holly Rose trying to do the post game interview.
Bud Elliott
And it's like they didn't get the offensive line fixed with the portal. That's not really that much of a surprise. Overall. It is just hard to portal an offensive line if your goal is to go win the SEC or, or to win the Big Ten, you know, to go win the national title. That's just hard to do. And they don't have the guys up front this year to protect Nuss. And I, I get why the crowd's chanting that. I mean you're basically saying, hey, Nuss is going to play in the NFL. Jay Daniels was just the office rookie of the year, right? 11 of the Heisman. Like do you feel like Kelly squandered those four years? What, what do you have coming next? Like, I don't feel like you have some stud waiting in the wings. Like maybe Van Buren is that guy. I don't personally think he is, but I can't say like definitively. There's no chance. Like maybe it's college football, stuff happens, but there's not like an obvious heir apparent. We're like, yeah, next year we're going to be really good. Like, it does feel like, damn, another year, no playoffs, we squandered it again like that stakes. And if you're lsu, your goal is to win the national title. Like not making a 12 team field. Now that's, that's rough, man.
Chip Patterson
So is it tomorrow? I mean that sounds. Robbie Calland Buyout Brian Kelly Buyout Robbie Callan CBS Sports Brian Kelly Buyout Robbie Callan CBS Sports I mean it is a large buyout, but we are in the year of the 50 million dollar buyout, apparently not meaning anything. So.
Bud Elliott
Scott Woodward is. Scott Woodward's probably gonna set a record for athletic director who signed the contracts that combined for the largest buyout ever, right?
Chip Patterson
Scott Woodward for those who aren't keeping Jimmy Fisher A M Jimbo Fisher deal. So Texas A M now of course handing LSU the, the loss that sends Chamberlain numbers.
Bud Elliott
He's 100 million dollar man, I guess. Right. Like that's crazy.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. So yeah, 5 billion.
Chip Patterson
This, this is the off week. This is. And they, then they play Alabama. That's the thing is when they're back on November 1st, they're going to be off. Then on November 8th, they play Alabama. None of us seem to believe that this LSU team is going to beat Alabama. So do they do it?
Tom Fornelli
I don't know because there is the buy and we do see that on bye weeks. But like, with Alabama looming, do you want to fire your coach before the Bama game and just kind of give up on it or do you let.
Bud Elliott
Brian Kelly wear whatever Ben is.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, because, I mean, possible, I don't know, like, who would be the interim?
Chip Patterson
I mean, Baker.
Bud Elliott
Baker's done a pretty good job with the defense. Like tonight notwithstanding, it did feel.
Tom Fornelli
It.
Bud Elliott
Felt a little bit like LSU let go of the rope on defense tonight.
Chip Patterson
Yep.
Tom Fornelli
And they didn't have weeks again. And that's important for them.
Bud Elliott
Very. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're, they're a different defense without him for sure. Because they have to ask Perkins to do different things.
Tom Fornelli
Is it, could they save on the buyout? Is it too late to do like a trade with Penn State for James Franklin? Just mitigate the buyouts, just absorb their contracts.
Bud Elliott
Are the agents going for that? I don't, I don't like they, you know.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I was gonna say that in, in we, I don't know. Minute 11 seems too early for us to dabble in Cover 3. Speculates on agencies, but boy, what, what a day. What, what, what a day. What a day for statements. You know, what a day for reports and statements and NFL interest and things of that nature. But you know, maybe, maybe more on that later. But yeah, I, if, How about this? If I was out at the LSU's athletic director, I don't, I think I let Brian Kelly rock this out for a little bit. I, I don't, I would worry about what it would look like for the Alabama game for some very important games that are still left on the schedule.
Bud Elliott
To, don't they still go play Oklahoma?
Tom Fornelli
Yep. Yeah. And it's like.
Bud Elliott
Are they, are they blocking Oklahoma?
Tom Fornelli
I don't know, but I mean, I.
Bud Elliott
Don'T know if Oklahoma's blocking them, but you know, still, that, that's, that is.
Tom Fornelli
Going to be a fun game. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
All right, so anything else football wise here on Texas A M?
Tom Fornelli
These are legit, man.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, they're, yeah, they're really good. They just so few negative plays. Like, they, they feel very comfortable with what Reed does. They give him a lot of time. Colin, you know, Colin Klein schemes it up really well for him. I, I, yeah, like he was in his bag. That, that guy made some money tonight too, for sure.
Chip Patterson
So I didn't want to push back because I want to make sure that, you know, Texas A M is celebrated. But the other side of who are you taking over Texas A M is how far ahead do you think they are from the pack? Because I think that is small, which speaks to your great flattening of the sport. But it's like, yeah, they're the team that's there right now. But I do think that there are even moments in this game where, yeah, not. Not monster, you know, but really, really good and fun and a fun, really good team. When you're awesome at the line of scrimmage and you've got the kind of skill players that Texas A and M has, it's a fun team to watch play football.
Tom Fornelli
You put them on a neutral in Atlanta against Alabama and Georgia, you feel pretty good about their chances.
Bud Elliott
Look. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
If they can block lsu, they can block Bama. Yep. Now, granted, Tom's point was they faced, what, one really good passing offense so far, and that offense scored 40. So I do think Bama would score on them for sure. But, you know, they would score on Bama, too.
Tom Fornelli
That's the thing, too. Like, their next two games, Mizzou and South Carolina, not really passing attacks I'm worried about. Although maybe with their backup, Mizzou looks totally different.
Chip Patterson
I don't know.
Bud Elliott
And maybe not Texas.
Tom Fornelli
And maybe not.
Bud Elliott
What?
Chip Patterson
Do we have an Arch Manning update yet? Arch Manning. Arch Manning. Arch Manning injury update. Arch Manning injury update.
Bud Elliott
I haven't seen one. He got rocked, dude.
Chip Patterson
I was gonna say that looks protocol, right?
Bud Elliott
Yeah, it. The way that the trainer's arm was around him in sort of like a very supportive posture, and the fact that he wasn't really limping on anything made me think, okay, like, that's. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
What'd you make of. So do you give Texas credit? Are we. Are we given flowers? Are we saying you should not have been in that position?
Tom Fornelli
You really shouldn't have been in that position. But I'm going to give you credit for coming back and getting yourself out of it, too.
Bud Elliott
Both, right? Yeah, I agree.
Tom Fornelli
I mean, like, Arch had a good day. The worst part of him getting knocked the hell out at the end is, like, he had a very good day. Now, a lot of it was very late in the game, but he finished with 346 yards and three touchdowns. Like, it's just. I. I don't know. Like, Mississippi State stinks. So, like, Texas having that kind of performance and getting their crap together late and coming back to win the game. I'm not going to like sit there and think that Texas is healed. I still don't want him in the playoff. I still wish somebody would just freaking beat this team already, but you have to give them some credit for that. But at the same time, like, this is not the first time we've seen Mississippi State do this. And they got away with it against Arizona State when they blitzed and a guy, you know, they just kind of blew a coverage back there and bam, touchdown. But they did it against Florida. They did it against Texas here and there were instances where like Mississippi State snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock when you should be trying to burn clock like your 17 point lead is melting away. Why are you still running tempo?
Bud Elliott
What.
Chip Patterson
What are you doing?
Tom Fornelli
It's. I don't know. It was.
Bud Elliott
It's frustrating and yet I also somewhat get it because I don't think that they have the players to line up and be successful without the tempo element.
Chip Patterson
Defense being correct.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
I think Texas's people are better than your people by enough margin to where if you slow it down, you lose that. But it's, It's a catch 22. I mean, like, Tom's right about that. If you, if you slow down, can you. Can you still execute? Probably not as well. But like, what, what is your like decrease in efficiency there relative to obviously like the loss of value with the clock, stuff like that. It's not nothing.
Chip Patterson
I was wondering at some point early in the game if Texas's defense had let go of the rope. If they're like, man, this sucks, you know, but yeah, you know, obviously you get a, you get a punt return touchdown. All of a sudden vibes start to flip like, hey, let's go win this game. I mean, Steve Sarkeesian looked fired up at the end of this game. You know, this was a. This is, this is one where you're shut the Titans.
Tom Fornelli
What he's made of.
Bud Elliott
The. The one really continuing concern for me there is Mississippi State's rundy's not very good at all.
Chip Patterson
And they still can run.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, exactly. I mean your backs were 21 for 68.
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
You allowed 12 tackles for loss against Mississippi State. Like that's. That's brutal.
Tom Fornelli
It stinks. Their offensive line stinks. There's no way around it.
Chip Patterson
No way around it. I don't, I don't have any other sort of big picture. But do you want to go ahead and tie this to their Red river rivals? Who's in at home or is there anything Else. Here.
Tom Fornelli
Here's a fun stat. According to stat Broadcast, Ryan Wingo 129 yards after the catch today.
Chip Patterson
Feels right.
Tom Fornelli
It does, but it's like when you see the W, you're like, wow. And also according to stat broadcast, three drops. I remember one. I don't remember the other two.
Chip Patterson
How many targets was it? Eight.
Tom Fornelli
12 targets, five catches, 184 yards, three drops. Not efficient, but effective.
Chip Patterson
That's some. Some Steve Sarkeesian's playing. Playing the road to glory mode with Ryan Wingo just spamming his best wide receiver. Hey, listen, when you're caught in a jam. What? Sure, that's. That's the most athletic player you got. So go for it. Let's take it to Norman. Is. Is Lane Kiffin in the rain a superpower. Very small sample size here, but against Georgia last year, against Oklahoma this year. I mean, I'm just saying, maybe that's why he's perfect for Gainesville. Take the guy who's amazing in the rain and put him in the swamp. Lane Kiffin only continues to build a perfect resume for the next head coach at the University of Florida.
Bud Elliott
Beat George in the rain last year.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, I'm just connecting two dots. But I'm connecting dots.
Bud Elliott
Those are your thoughts. So I thought Lacey for them was really key today. Like Oklahoma had so many times where they had him hit in the backfield and was like, oh well, it's about to be second and 14, right. And instead it was second and three. Like he did a really good job. It won't show up on the stat sheet quite so much, but like evading drive killing negatives when ou like really had him dead to rights in the backfield. I also thought like a couple big time, like big time blitz pickups from him like that. That was. Yeah, like whatever they're paying him here in his money today, like huge. That like I thought Chambliss was, you know, for the most part pretty good. But like Lacy kept them out of negatives big time. And mater, I mean Matier was the second worst graded starter in Oklahoma's offense. They're not going to win like that. Like, he has got to be a little more Superman for them. I know it's pff, pff. College, instant grades. That's not like those, those are not gospel, but they're probably directionally correct.
Tom Fornelli
Like my favorite part of this is that, you know, like if you look at his overall numbers, Chambliss, 24, 44, 315 like, he had completions of 25, 25, 21, 31, 40, 43. We haven't seen anybody do that to Oklahoma this year. Yeah, it's like he missed a lot of throws. He was not great. The rain certainly had an impact, but he also made a lot of big throws, and it was just. I was very impressed by him in a lot of key moments. He was far and away the better quarterback in this game. Yeah, this is. If you look at this going forward, like, Oklahoma, you feel like it's toast now because of what they have remaining on their schedule. And you look at the rest of Ole Miss's schedule, and you feel like, oh, this team is looking to be pretty good spot here. But, I mean, I. I think the weather impacted that game a little bit, but at least I think it impacted Oklahoma more because it did feel like. You mentioned the ability to miss tackle like Lacy getting out of, like, bad spots in the backfield. I felt like defenders in this game were a little cautious, a little. A little tepid because they didn't want to commit because they weren't really sure about their footing. And I think you saw a lot of that on both sides, and I think that kind of impacted this game in a way that maybe wasn't super obvious.
Chip Patterson
I think Kewan Lacey is just a, like, a really good football player. I mean, what, like, four games into the season, four or five games into the season, he was leading the SEC in rushing. You know, I think they can run the ball better than they could last year. What we make of Lane Kiffin's quarterback, Dosi Doe, that was.
Tom Fornelli
It was dumb and made no sense. And he even said it was dumb himself. You could read his lips. He said, that was stupid. My bad. But then he did it again.
Chip Patterson
I know something is like, is this a game that Ole Miss should have won by more?
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, probably.
Chip Patterson
I know what I was thinking, too, but it's. The problem is you just won in Norman against an Oklahoma defense with our Mason, Thomas, and Stone and like, the rest of these, like, monsters up front. So you'll take a win by any margin. But if I was to pick knits, I think Ole Miss played better than the final score might indicate.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, on a down to down basis, Ole Miss was probably way better. But look, they did allow 14 tackles for loss. That was on 87 plays. So you kind of got to scale.
Tom Fornelli
That a little bit.
Bud Elliott
But it was just. It was two huge explosives for OU and then not a lot else.
Chip Patterson
But, oh, this was also getting after it, y'. All Were talking about John Mateer, you know, not being like getting the good. Pff. College grade or whatever. But I mean I just, I. I felt like they, they did not have a lot of answers for an Ole Miss defense that we had downgraded. And we're looking at this like, ah, you know, maybe. Maybe this is going to be a spot where Ole Miss's defense isn't there. Especially playing on the road, man, they, they traveled. They delivered a really strong performance. I was, I was impressed. I was impressed by Ole Miss for sure. Anything else here?
Bud Elliott
I mean they're like the rest of schedule sets up really nice. Yeah, really nice.
Chip Patterson
Oh yeah. Don't worry. It. It's just a team who's never been to the college Football playoff with a total easy paved road, right?
Bud Elliott
Yep.
Tom Fornelli
My last thing on this game is there was one podcast out there who was pumping the brakes a little bit on John Matiere and it was this one in the preseason.
Bud Elliott
So.
Tom Fornelli
Shout out to us for being smart.
Bud Elliott
Never wrong. Just early.
Tom Fornelli
Michael Dreher in the chat.
Bud Elliott
Wrong plenty. But not on this.
Chip Patterson
Yes.
Bud Elliott
And he's still a, he's still a good player, man. He's just probably should come back to school and is not that different now than he was last year at Washington State. Like just the competition around him is a lot harder. And I think like the past protection he gets at ou especially like relative to who you're facing is much worse than what he had at Wazoo. You have two freshman tackles out there for Oklahoma. Like, that's tough.
Chip Patterson
I have not seen him in the tailgate. That's been disappointing, you know, like he was, he was in the tailgate for the first couple locks episodes. That was exciting to have Moneyline Mater like here hanging out, telling us, you know, what was going to happen. I just, I wonder if when Dr. Shin got them all repaired, he also took away his YouTube account. So we look forward to seeing you in the. In the tailgate again in the off season. We'll. We'll welcome you back with open arms.
Bud Elliott
Utah just made a mistake, by the way. Finally, it's. There's gonna be 40 to nothing in the first half against Colorado, but they false started on this extra point, so we got to kick a little longer one here. Sorry. I looked up, I was like, good God. With the backup quarterback. Dampier's not even playing.
Tom Fornelli
Bird ain't fickling around, is he? No, he's not.
Chip Patterson
Bird Ficklin.
Tom Fornelli
1924 Mississippi lawyer ass name.
Bud Elliott
Your honor.
Chip Patterson
I thought I was being drunk in the Western territory. I mean, yo, I thought I was being drugged through the simulator when we were dealing with Bryson Barnes, the pig farmer.
Bud Elliott
These people are not real. Right.
Chip Patterson
Like I know.
Bud Elliott
This is some NCAA 26 name generation on credit player. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
RIP Devin Dampier. Apparently we've lost another Utah quarterback to the skies. Prayers up. Pour one out. Yeah. 40 to 30. Did they make it?
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Okay. All right, so 40 to nothing with minutes left in the second quarter. Hey, Tom, I think your over is going to hit.
Bud Elliott
Whittingham's out there looking like what's going on, but it's looking good. What's going on the hell how?
Tom Fornelli
Playing more games with the injury report. Good to see the old man.
Bud Elliott
Still got it.
Chip Patterson
All right, coming up on the other side, Georgia Tech. BYU improved to 8. No Dave Aranda also maybe on emergency watch. All that and more next.
Tom Fornelli
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VGW Group void board prohibited by law 21 plus TNCs apply back here on the COVID 3 podcast Cincinnati it's a gets a thunderous win Just running the ball. I mean just we talked about it going into the game. Hey guys, if Auburn ran the ball right at this Baylor defense, we've seen what Auburn's done recently. I kind of think that Cincinnati with Brendan Sorsby, who's been phenomenal, and two good running backs there in the backfield, I think they might cause some problems too. Well, sure enough, that's exactly what we saw when when Cincinnati played host of the Baylor Bears. As the Bearcats roll up, count it. Where are we at? 250 some odd yards.
Tom Fornelli
265 yards on the ground.
Chip Patterson
265 yards on the ground alone evenly dispersed. Dave Aranda Cooked I I was I.
Bud Elliott
Think we all thought that Cincinnati would probably score on them. I think personally I, I thought Baylor would be much better through the air against that defense than they were like that. That's my takeaway there. That was a lot of that yardage was late for Baylor, you know and like they only they threw for 137. They ran for 129. Like a lot of those points were late. Like man, Cincinnati's defense is coming around somehow. Or maybe Baylor's just cooked right? Maybe they are certainly possible but like Sensei's pretty good. They've done a nice job. Like we named their, their GM Zach Grant as our GM of the week on our recruiting hour with Ivan's just like they have a lot of nice portal fines, seem to do a decent job out of high school and Sourceby's improvement this year is overall pretty good. Like the numbers today, not great, you know, through the air, but he was our leading rusher. Like that's a scary team to play.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. I was also very surprised by Baylor's lack of offense. Cost me my overlock. But just yet.
Chip Patterson
I don't know.
Tom Fornelli
It's weird because you look at the scoreboard and I mean you watch the game, and it felt like Cincinnati was far more dominant than the box score suggests. Like they only had 376 yards of offense. And I just looked at that now, and I'm sitting there, I'm like, wow, okay. Because it felt like 450, 500. Yeah. So, I mean, kudos to them because they. They really took. They. They were efficient, that's for sure. I'm legitimately surprised. They only. I'm wondering if the box score is wrong, to be honest with you.
Bud Elliott
They did hold the ball for a long time.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. I was gonna say They've got this 35. They've got this aspect to it where you. To talk about the way it feels versus the way it reads in the box score when you're just not off the field and you just are continuing to run and you're. You're running at them different ways. Like, you're. You've got the versatility in the backfield with multiple backs, plus the quarterback as a rushing threat. I mean, it's just.
Tom Fornelli
It's.
Chip Patterson
It is the idealized version of this Cincinnati Bearcats offense is on the field.
Bud Elliott
They also had. Chip. They had a single play of 20 plus yards today.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Bud Elliott
And scored 41.
Chip Patterson
Like, that's chunking at you, man. Yeah, like.
Bud Elliott
Like the mix of their backs. Yeah, well, Prior offers kind of a bowling ball. Sourceby's a real run threat. The Prior kid's good. Like, it just kind of fits what they do. And they have, like, a nice mix.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Tyree Walker will put you in the ground. That guy runs angry and he will put.
Bud Elliott
Trying to tackle a fire hydrant, man, like that.
Tom Fornelli
That is Maurice Jones Drew build.
Chip Patterson
But Monty Jones always likes to make funny references about the jersey numbers of, like, before, everyone used different jersey numbers and everything was a little bit more standardized. He was like, yeah, the problem is when one of those. One of those, like, 21s comes up to make a tackle, it's going to be problematic when you get put into the ground. Somebody like Tyree Walker. One of them skinny numbers, bud. B Y U N I T Y grats to you. Congrats to Tom. Congrats to Danny Latifah Rides as the Cougs. Do it again. What I. I feel like you were being called out for your BYU criticism. Then you did a heel turn going all in with the lock. So as we sit here after 100%, another edition of they can't keep getting away with this yet they still keep getting away with this. What'd you make of their win in Ames?
Bud Elliott
I think they're an improving football team.
Chip Patterson
Like on the fly. You believe that, like each week you are continuing to grade them better.
Bud Elliott
I mean, is it that crazy to think that a guy who was at Stanford in spring and then showed up as a freshman at BYU like for the fall, is settling more into the offense? I'm like, I mean, I'm saying this rhetorically. Like, I think Bachmeyer is settling in a little bit. And I know Iowa State is down all those corners and like, they don't have a lot of impact defensive linemen right now. So you're kind of just, you know, you're kind of screwed every which way if you're Iowa State. But like, I mean, he looked a lot more comfortable. They created explosive plays. Obviously, like, four turnovers is helping as well, but there's some shot they win this game if the turnovers are neutral, you know, and like, I think that's a compliment to byu. They won by margin. But if you take away the turnovers, I still think if you had to pick this thing again, I would pick BYU.
Chip Patterson
Is that because the advanced box score has about 13.8 points of turnover luck?
Bud Elliott
Does it really? Okay, I probably got to be around there.
Tom Fornelli
14 point game. Let me do the math. That's a 0.2 difference.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, that's it.
Bud Elliott
So, yeah, they just don't want you.
Chip Patterson
Moment to your point. Vibes wise, Rocco Beckt is playing a crisp game. They're up 17 7. They're driving. They're in BYU territory and he throws. Pick number one. Three picks or two picks later, you know, put in the SpongeBob meme or whatever. But the, the turnovers totally flip this thing on his head. Obviously. The final interception, his third was returned for a touchdown by who?
Bud Elliott
Number 11, Filetu. That's our guy we keep talking about. Like if you watch BYU's defense, like Filetu Satu Allah, number 11 is just different. Like that, that guy's. He could play on any team in the country. That guy's really good.
Chip Patterson
Great shout there. So this was a 34, 27 game. Iowa State's trying to, you know, get it done to go have a game, tie and score. Final margin, obviously they defend it the rest of the way. That was early in the fourth quarter, but BYU trailed by double digits twice in this game. And yet the final score is a two touchdown victory. Just in phenomenal resilience by this group to be able to get it done in a very obvious hangover letdown Type spot. They're just a good football team. Now they're eight. No. And they are going to, going to continue to climb along the way.
Tom Fornelli
Maybe next time FOX will send their announcers to the game.
Chip Patterson
Tough. Hey, you know what? But BTN did have some sick drone shots of Husky Stadium. They did, they did.
Tom Fornelli
Their announcers were at the game, though.
Chip Patterson
They were. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
I was staying byu. All I'll say is, if you follow Jason Benetti on Twitter, for every football or basketball game he's ever done, he's tweeted a photo of the stadium and asked you, you know, who it makes you think. Of some reason, there wasn't a photo of today's Iowa State game.
Bud Elliott
Well, you're. I know he left, but he left the White Sox to go back to Detroit, right?
Tom Fornelli
Well, to go to Detroit.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Yeah.
Bud Elliott
But we're still pro, Benetti.
Tom Fornelli
Oh, very much.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Okay.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I, I like Benny. All right.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah. Okay. We are, we are pro. Anybody who wises up and gets the hell away from the white side, that's fair.
Bud Elliott
As Tom did.
Chip Patterson
Now he's a drawing. You're in. Was that Andrew Vaughn? Right? Yeah.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, yeah.
Chip Patterson
Did Dodgers win?
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Okay.
Tom Fornelli
Thanks for that.
Chip Patterson
You can't. You can't. It's the World Series. You can't flex division rivalry beef.
Tom Fornelli
Yes, you can.
Chip Patterson
Okay, fine.
Tom Fornelli
Who, who's the Cane's biggest rival?
Chip Patterson
Right? I mean, Panthers, right now.
Tom Fornelli
So are you rooting for the Panthers when they're in the final?
Chip Patterson
No.
Tom Fornelli
Okay, then. So what are you talking to me for?
Chip Patterson
Okay, fair.
Bud Elliott
Good.
Chip Patterson
Good.
Bud Elliott
Fair.
Chip Patterson
Good. Come back on that. I don't have a lot of notes here on Georgia Tech, though. Thematically, they also improved to eight. No. Along the way it got kind of got off to a sluggish start, but you look up, by the end of it, you're like, oh, my God, that game got sideways real fast. Haynes King finishes with five touchdowns, three passing, two rushing, and the, it just never, never really even like, a threat. Are we underselling how good Haynes King has been this year?
Tom Fornelli
To a degree, yeah.
Chip Patterson
How about this, bud? In a world where we keep trying to, like, grasp and talk about the Heisman race or who's been the best quarterback, is Haynes King maybe a little bit under the radar?
Bud Elliott
I think that's possible. Yeah. I, I. And he's just really in a year, and I know he's not like, he's not 26 years old, but we, we talked about this a lot. Like, there's going to be a lot of variance in the sport this year because we have all these new QBs because all the COVID kids are gone or almost all of them.
Tom Fornelli
Right.
Bud Elliott
Like he. His presence there, I mean 25, 31 is. Is incredible. Especially for a guy who's like just a good passer normally like that. That's really efficient, obviously. So. Yeah, I think so. I mean like part of it's the schedule, right? Like they. They haven't really played much of a schedule, but they're going to have a shot to go to the playoff if they can take down Georgia. I think they got a real shot.
Chip Patterson
I mean, I think they've got a real shot no matter what happens in the big body bends at the end of the season. If they're 11 and oh, going into that game, 11's a hard number to stare at.
Bud Elliott
Not to do playoff talk, but the results in the SEC today were good for. Were very good for Georgia Tech.
Chip Patterson
Sorry.
Bud Elliott
Because you have a lot more SC teams that are going to finish with that zero or a one or two in the lost column and not like you're not having to have this weird like, like, you know, three loss versus one loss debate type stuff. Wait, like Oklahoma losing was good for Georgia Tech?
Chip Patterson
Correct. And LSU losing.
Bud Elliott
Correct. Yes.
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, losing would have been good for Georgia Tech.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, exactly.
Tom Fornelli
All of us, honestly.
Bud Elliott
Although that's gonna take care of itself. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
I don't know.
Tom Fornelli
At this point, every time I get on my knees bed afraid of the Lord, I say, please, Jesus, take Texas from me.
Bud Elliott
I think. But the way Texas is playing, most likely if they lose another one, it's probably going to be like by a lot. So I. And that'll be a large loss late season that probably knocks them out.
Chip Patterson
Oh, that's interesting, bud. Next week they're playing Vanderbilt at home.
Bud Elliott
They also still go to Georgia and they also play A M. So. Yeah, but he's dangerous.
Chip Patterson
But what do you think happens with Vanderbilt at home?
Bud Elliott
All right, so obviously like great win today for Vandy. Awesome atmospheres. Like it was great to see like they showed up for game day. Like that was. That was cool. Like a really cool moment for the program in the city.
Chip Patterson
They did not play well.
Bud Elliott
No well. And Missouri has a good front, right? Texas also has a good front. That game though, is. Is Arch playing or not? Because like Arch I thought played pretty well today overall given that they have no run game and not much pass pro. But if he doesn't play, Vandy's playing better than they are.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Oh well, you're saying Vandy is playing better than Texas? Yes, 100.
Bud Elliott
Well, I was just saying, like, even though I agree with you that Vandy did not play an amazing game today, I think it's like, it's probably a real like, compliment to where that program is. They can play not great and still, you know, beat a decent Missouri team. I know it's a Missouri team that, that, you know, didn't have the QB there for the last, what, like 25 minutes? 20. Like it was what, third quarter injury. So. Yeah, but still, like, that's a good football team. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Tom, what'd you make of the Doors?
Tom Fornelli
Ugly. Ugly. Ugly, ugly. But they all count the same in the, in the win column. But that was not. Yeah, that was not a cut. Like that was. That was a performance where if you're a coach, you're like, all right, we won the game. And now I get to go yell at my players anyway because, oh my God, we did so many things wrong. I can't wait to yell at these guys.
Chip Patterson
They break the game open. It's. I mean it is 3. 3. These teams are trading punts, then all of a sudden we're turning the ball over. And then finally in the third quarter, 80 yard run from Young. Right. It wasn't Alexander, it was Young.
Tom Fornelli
Right, Right.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Young. Young rips off the 80 yard score. Missouri as they're driving to answer back. That's when we lose Beau Pribula to leg injury. I'm assuming ankle is what we're talking. That's. Oh, Zenith has it right.
Bud Elliott
They air casted him and carved him so that. That's typically not a. Not a quick comeback.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, the. The Matt Zenit's report is expected to be out for the rest of the regular season at a minimum.
Bud Elliott
And that's fairly big because. Is it Swan? They're back up. Who was, who was he in. In the battle with? Not Swan.
Chip Patterson
No Horn. So it's just Zollers, like.
Bud Elliott
Right. So yeah, they've got a freshman Zollers and Zollers missed, I think all or part of his senior season, if I recall, as recruit. So, like he hadn't played a lot of action recently.
Chip Patterson
Again, I understand we are grading on a significant curve, but I thought this Zollers did okay, you know.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, he came in.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. And he made some big throws in a very, very difficult spot. Again, credit to Vanderbilt's defense for holding up Ahmad Hardy. I think he finished with 91.
Bud Elliott
Amado, 20 for 97.
Chip Patterson
20 for 97. So I mean, it did not feel like Vanderbilt was getting run over. The way that Missouri's rushing offense has looked at its very best.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Credit to Vanderbilt's defense for being able to hold up there on that front.
Bud Elliott
It was also a weird like Missouri ran 78 plays, Vandy ran 45. That has to be one of the bigger splits of the day. Like especially for a team that won the ball game. Like it wasn't. And I guess it's a weird box score if you look at this, like watching the game feels different than the box score. Did you know a little bit here, like 45 plays when you don't have some massive like defensive, you know, touchdown edge is like, that's not normal. I know you had the one long score, but that's kind of wild.
Tom Fornelli
I mean Mizzou had like drives of 13 plays. 12 plays, 12 plays. Third. So they had four drives of 12 plays or more and Vandy didn't have a single one that got the double digits.
Chip Patterson
Go ahead.
Bud Elliott
The, like the, the run game stuff for Vandy. Only four TFLs for Missouri, but God, how many runs do they have? Especially on a percentage base that were stopped for like zero, one or two. A lot. Yeah, it felt like, oh, that play didn't go anywhere. Like that play is normally one. They pop on the one long touchdown. They do pop. They, they pull the two guys this way. So obviously the defense chases and they're able to hit it and pretty nice perimeter blocking there to spring the guy. But yeah, man, that was. Missouri did it. Like I thought Missouri played them defensively extremely well and still lost. It's got to be like so frustrating.
Tom Fornelli
Did want a fun fact but also a warning.
Bud Elliott
Oh yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Vanderbilt is 7 and 1 for the first time since November 1941. Pearl Harbor.
Chip Patterson
I was about to say the start of World War II.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Be hot alert because they might be coming.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, the, the play count might be off just because Missouri was chasing it a little bit. I mean, I don't know about being off by that much, but certainly at the end of the game, the last maybe four or five possessions combined was a little bit of Vanderbilt holding on, Missouri chasing it. Which brings me to my last thought. Did you at any moment think that we were going to get some goal line review, Hail Mary drama?
Bud Elliott
I thought he might have caught it, but that he was not in.
Tom Fornelli
That's what happened to.
Bud Elliott
And whoever was on the broadcast did a good job saying, all right, well even if this is a catch, it's pretty clear he's down before the ball like gets into the end zone and there's no time left.
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, that, that if you're the coach in the box there or anybody in the box. Wait, what?
Chip Patterson
We just, you know, it's like Vanderbilt defender through his hands. Vanderbilt defender through his hands. And then at the very bottom, the low man is Missouri. Oh, man. Vanderbilt improves. Congratulations to the best general manager in college football, Barton Simmons and, and Clark Lee and the rest of our doors as they, as they continue to march ahead. Eyes on SEC title contention, eyes on a college football playoff and more coming up on the other side. The College Football playoff race had a huge curveball thrown thanks to a 170 run from the Memphis Tigers. We'll get into that and more next.
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Tom Fornelli
So the Navy.
Chip Patterson
What'd you say?
Tom Fornelli
You're disrespecting Navy.
Chip Patterson
You think Navy, which plays North Texas and South Florida and Memphis before the Notre Dame. Well, I'm even thinking about making the American title game. So I, I, I, I thankfully did not do the thing where I'm like, hey, guys, do we need. Remember how I told you last week I made the mistake of being like, hey, do you need somebody to reset the ACC title race? And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, God, I have to break out abacus and the tiebreaker bylaws. I did not volunteer to reset the American title race today. For CBSSports.com this thing looks like it's gonna get a little hairy. Football first, what'd you make of Memphis bouncing Back they get stunned by uab. They come back. Were they looking ahead?
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Chip Patterson
This is what you a percent. This is the Memphis we should have seen all along. And last week they got caught looking ahead.
Tom Fornelli
Yes. And you had a UAB team who was freed from its oppressor, apparently. But like this was. Yeah, like south Florida had 5, 64 yards of offense. Memphis fumbled three times. They just recovered all three of them.
Chip Patterson
So.
Tom Fornelli
And then you get to. Yeah, and then Memphis just kind of stormed back in the fourth quarter and it's. It was a college football game, man. It was a very fun game. It was hard to explain and it had huge ramifications.
Bud Elliott
I mean, it's hard to pinpoint this because we had so many games on. On the quad box. It felt like the game management from USF could have been better. I need to go back and watch in my notes. I'm like game management. Oof. And I should have written down specifics because now that was like 12 hours ago. But like same thing. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
The Briles offense doing that stuff. Not. It's not designed to hold big leads late.
Bud Elliott
I mean, if you're. If you're 12, 18 on third down, you outgain them by 100 yards in their stadium, you only lose turnover battle by one. That red zone obviously was. Was pretty big there as well. Like a gutty effort for Lewis to come back from that though. Like that was. He was also. He was there leading rusher.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
35. But yeah, yeah, you had a couple.
Chip Patterson
Turnover on downs in scoring possession in like you were. You were going for it. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Inside the. One of them was inside the 10.
Bud Elliott
And I think those are the right calls to go there in those situations. Like they didn't feel like reckless, but you're trying to put the game away.
Chip Patterson
I'll tell you what was reckless. Putting yourself in a position where your offensive lineman could get called for a hold to back up the game. Tying field goal by 10 yards.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chip Patterson
Taking a shot at the end zone when you could have. When you had successfully moved the ball down the field to set up little Grammatica for a shot to tie the game.
Tom Fornelli
Great point.
Chip Patterson
Tough. Extremely tough scene out there for the Bulls. So now they've got to wear it. Now they've got to find a way back in terms of the. The tiebreaker scenarios. Obviously USF has the win against North Texas. Now they have a loss to Memphis. They do get to play Navy. At Navy. Thank you, Mikey. Right there on the screen. Undefeated in conference play, just two teams and we didn't even mention them. It's navy in two lane. So, yeah, this is going to be a. This is going to be an extremely interesting final stretch in the American 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 teams with zero or one loss as we head into week 10 in college football in the Americans.
Tom Fornelli
He's. He's not here. But I have a question to ask on behalf of which, first of all, Danny, like, we go from videos in the sauna one week to videos of you putting on makeup the next. Like, I am just loving your content lately. I appreciate you showing me how to put on makeup. I've been wondering how for a long time. But what I was wondering is with your question that you tweeted, Danny wants to know, are we sure that we even need to have a G5 or G6 team in the playoff? Do they deserve an automatic qualifier? I would like to know your guys thoughts.
Bud Elliott
I. I think if you have 12, it's. It's a good idea to have one in. Do I think they're going to hang? Not really, but at the same time, like, you know, Arizona State almost beat Texas last year. Like a good Texas team, you know, And I know they're not G5, but, like, they were very up and down all last year. Like that Arizona State team, like, almost lost at Texas State, you know, Boise didn't really hang, obviously last year with Penn State overall, but they gave him a couple quarters, I guess. I don't know, man. Like, it's hard to sit here and argue that the sport is flattened and say they don't. Right.
Tom Fornelli
Chip?
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah, of course. I think they deserve a spot.
Tom Fornelli
I just. I was surprised. I didn't know. That kind of came out of nowhere with Danny.
Chip Patterson
It did.
Tom Fornelli
Saw that tweet. I was like, huh, maybe he's. Maybe he ate some of that foundation. I don't know.
Chip Patterson
I think he. I think he's soft. Launching a heel turn. He's finding a new pivot. Find a new. What they. What did they say? Find a new slant. DK's new slant is just hating all these lessers, all these pores.
Tom Fornelli
No, no. Danny's just trying to get another ACC team into the field and he's figured, I don't want one of these damn USFs. Or Memphis stealing Georgia Tech spot.
Bud Elliott
Oh, my God.
Chip Patterson
Or Virginia's.
Tom Fornelli
Or Virginia's. Shout out to the.
Chip Patterson
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Bud Elliott
That was something.
Chip Patterson
What y' all think?
Bud Elliott
I mean, like, UNC is playing better the last two weeks.
Chip Patterson
They are like, firing. Their defensive line is firing off the ball. They are the, they are not checked out. They are overwhelmed at certain positions, they are lacking at certain positions, but they have not at all checked out. And it was so funny because before, after Clemson, when everything is super chaotic and there's a lot of conversations, a lot of text message, a lot of phone calls, you know, one theme, especially with anybody who was like, you know, played, there was a lot about, okay, we'll see whether the players, like, at some point it was, they're going to go out to Cal and they're going to come back and they're going to play Virginia. And no matter what anybody who's writing stories, no matter what Bill or Jordan or Lombardi or whoever else thinks, ultimately the players in that locker room, like, the people who are sticking their, like, hand in the dirt, shout out to Michael Felder. But like the, the people who are sticking their hand into the dirt and getting out there, they're going to decide what this is going to look like. Because we've seen teams quit, you know, we've, we've seen like a. Nah, you know what? Forget this. And they haven't.
Bud Elliott
So do you think they've simplified things defensively too? Because I, I thought if you go back to week one, I think it was Lewis Riddick who was talking about this, and I thought he was a good point at the time. And I, I heard some other folks make it as well. And I want to credit them, but I just, I can't remember who said it, but they were basically saying, hey, like, UNC is trying to run a bunch of stuff defensively that they don't have the personnel to do. So maybe they overestimated the personnel they brought in.
Chip Patterson
Well, their personnel has also gotten worse because, like Thad Dixon, one of the, like NFL players on defense, has been shut down with an injury, hasn't been in there. There have been other players who are starters on the TCU game who are not in that lineup right now. Like they have, they have had to simplify because I think their skill limitations have changed.
Bud Elliott
You mentioned the D line. Just like firing off the ball, getting up field a lot more. That does seem different than what they were trying to do week one. Yeah, like, I think they were asking guys to, to hold a point of attack at certain angles in week one. That was probably not going to work. Sorry.
Tom Fornelli
Two and five, who cares? Let's talk about Virginia. Like, this is a team that. To me, my primary takeaway is that is this going to be like a wake up call for the who's because.
Chip Patterson
No, because last week wasn't a wake up call. They've. They've played Washington State since beating Louisville in overtime. They've played Washington State and North Carolina and won by a combined three points.
Tom Fornelli
Exactly. And I mean North Carolina turned the ball over three times in this game. North Carolina was trying to hand you this game and you just could not put them away. You needed to go to overtime and even then you won by an inch.
Bud Elliott
They also had two defensive scores against Louisville.
Tom Fornelli
I feel like this. Who's. The walls might be falling down pretty soon here.
Bud Elliott
But like, what's this? I mean like the schedule remaining though now, if you almost lose to unc, you can lose anybody else on the schedule, I'm saying.
Chip Patterson
But like still wazoo coming out of a bye week.
Bud Elliott
I mean at Cal certainly losable, right?
Chip Patterson
Hell yeah.
Bud Elliott
Wake at Home is losable. At Duke's losable. The Hoagies is a losable game. Probably. Like they're a good team, but they're a good team. Like their top half of the power four. I don't, I don't think they're like a top 15 power rated team. At least not my numbers. Look, but like this is why we play the games though. Like you should.
Tom Fornelli
You know what?
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
Like you got a bunch of close wins, you're having a special season. This is cool. Like that, you know, it's. It's good for their fans that they are winning. Do I think they're actually going to make the playoff? Probably not. But like if you're a UVA fan, you didn't have playoff aspirations coming of the year. This is fun. Like maybe you will, right? Like, who says UVA will not go out and win the remaining four games by field goal? Certainly possible.
Tom Fornelli
Okay.
Chip Patterson
I'll tell you who is me.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Chips. Like I watch this team today dialed into this game. Yeah, that's. Yeah. That they, they could not do anything offensively. And while on one hand I am crediting the players in that locker room for being dialed in and like the state, the stands filled in eventually. You know, but like a kickoff, it was rough, you know, all. Everybody at kickoff taking the little photos on their phone and sharing it. It looked bad. Keenan Stadium filled in. Eventually people showed up. It was obviously the Collective soul concert at 10:00am you know, it takes a little bit of time to bounce back from, but I'm not kidding. Collective Soul played a concert on the quad at 10am really?
Bud Elliott
Oh yeah.
Chip Patterson
Girl. All right. From the who's to the Hoosiers, bro. Stop. I. I Like, hey, Tom, you made this joke. I think he called them three zero. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
And he treated him like they would help the resume.
Chip Patterson
Like it was a resume win. What the world. This is the second 50 plus point win against a conference opponent.
Tom Fornelli
Which just goes to show it could happen to anybody. If it could happen to 30 UCLA, it could happen to you.
Chip Patterson
Good golly.
Bud Elliott
This is one of the ones like 1/4 in like, oh, I should have been Indiana.
Chip Patterson
Yes.
Bud Elliott
You know, like, I. Now, granted, I think the spread, like, the spread was pretty big. I mean, they covered it clearly. UCLA was not very good last week and still won against Maryland. And then I do think there's an element of like, hey, now Indiana, which is really good. Staff has seen like the emptying of the bag of tricks that UCLA has and there's probably just not much else to reach into that bag. It's like, okay, so here's what you guys are doing. Here's the counters you have off it. Here's little wrinkles and they're done.
Chip Patterson
UCLA just hit its fourth date and they had all. They used up all their moves on the first three.
Bud Elliott
Exactly.
Chip Patterson
Oh, babe, we're going back to that first place.
Tom Fornelli
Also, we're splitting the checklist.
Chip Patterson
Yes. Yeah. Like, it didn't Indiana, you simulate this game 10,000 times. Indiana wins by a lot in most of them.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
I'll tell you, the one that we had today is the one where the ball just is gifted to Aiden Fisher. Practically handed it off 25 yards from the goal line.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
I would say that that's not the ideal way to beat one of the best damn teams in the country.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Mercy I. Ohio State was off. Texas A and M looked great. Indiana is just continuing to build its case. We've got a fun top tier of really, really good teams.
Bud Elliott
If, if Ohio State is not a death Star, we got a hell of a, like a hell of a final six weeks coming. If they are, then like, you know, maybe everybody else playing for a second. I, I don't think they're that level. I think they're really damn good. I think they're the best team. But like, Indiana looks like, I mean, just what's wrong with them?
Chip Patterson
That's the problem is I can't have them all. T1 like when I'm filling out my CBS Sports 136 ballot for tomorrow. Yeah, like, I cannot all put. I cannot put them all ones. They all need numbers right now. I'm going to put Ohio State one spot of head of Indiana. I will put Indiana too. But man, in terms of how well you are playing football, I. They are both right there standing side by side in my eyes. Impressive stuff. You wanna. Tom, you want to talk about it?
Tom Fornelli
Sure. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Okay. Was that Washington or is that Illinois?
Tom Fornelli
Oh, it was Washington.
Chip Patterson
Okay.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, no, that was, that was Washington. Like Demon Williams was incredible today. 280 yards, four touchdowns. Jonah Coleman was impossible to tackle. Denzel Boston, 10 catches for 153 yards. Like Illinois offensively was able to move the ball, but they turned the ball over twice. They were committing penalties that they hadn't typically committed in previous weeks and they were like, kill it. Like stupid personal foul penalties like after the snap to put yourself out of like third four into third and 19, which was just like stupid stuff. But like Washington just did. They, they dominated the game. And what's strange to me is like you see there were four tackles for lost in the entire game, but not a single one of them came until the fourth quarter. So it was very weird because neither defensive line was actually dominating this game. But you know, neither of them were really having troubles either. So it was, it was an odd, odd kind of game to follow. I will say I thought Illinois was a little too passive on defense. And also it was a surprise because Washington's left tackle who like jet fish was saying after last week he got hurt, we're not going to have him. We're not going to have him. Then the injury report comes out this morning and it's the backup who's not playing starter was right back in there, which made a huge difference from Washington. But I, I felt like Illinois, like Washington on third down was nine and 12. Illinois was nine of 12. Neither one of these defenses was seemingly capable of getting off the field. It's just Illinois beat itself at times on offense and Washington didn't. They finished drives, they put, they got to the end zone and they, they were great today.
Bud Elliott
Like these are both like good football teams, you know. And I think like the reason I bet the over in this is I just felt like, okay, both quarterbacks can get enough scrambling around to create some plays. It's going to be hard to contain them. Like does Illinois have somebody who can actually check Boston, you know, with how much man coverage they want to play. I, I thought Illinois would run the football better than they did. Like from the backs, not, not from, you know, the qb. That was a little bit surprising that they didn't get more out of that. But maybe that's game scripted too.
Tom Fornelli
I will say after the game it's Not a great sign. Brett Bielemo was saying that maybe he needs to get more involved in the defense. Typically not a good sign, because I did. I did think that they were a little too passive, like, especially earlier. It's like I understood they were using the same approach they've used for, like, the North Sellers and other guys that were very effective before, but Washington was absolutely picking it apart, and they never really changed their approach.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, the fan sentiment on that side of the ball, Tom, is. It's a little bit toxic right now.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it's not great.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. I slipped into a couple of those. A couple of those Twitter streams, and it's not. It was obviously emotional and frustrated, but.
Bud Elliott
It'S also like, maybe Washington's office is actually just really still really, really good. And they faced what, Ohio State and Michigan, who are just a little bit different level of defense, especially Ohio State. You know, then like, Illinois is a good defense. They're not like an amazing defense, but, like, they're good.
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
And.
Chip Patterson
And not full strength.
Bud Elliott
Right? Yeah. And like. And demand's good enough to light up a good defense. He's probably not good enough to light up a great defense.
Chip Patterson
Oh, man. But he was a little sloppy today. There were a couple spots where I was like, oh, buddy, that could have been a game changing turnover. Like when this. When this thing was still a little bit close early in the game, there.
Bud Elliott
Was a little material versus Auburn material versus Michigan going on there where it gets away with it. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Illinois had like a chance to take control of the game in that they had the lead late in the second quarter. But then Washington goes 75 yards and 75 seconds to get a touchdown right before halftime to jump in the lead. Illinois gets the ball to start the second half and goes absolutely nowhere. And then immediately Washington goes down. So, like, for 90 yards for a touchdown drive. So it's like if Illinois had just had a better end of the first half and a better start to the third quarter, the game might have gone differently. But they didn't. Washington killed them in that point. And after that, there was no coming back.
Chip Patterson
It was a stop and then a long drive and a score. Yeah, that's right. That bronze pig was obviously of high priority for the Iowa guys because we. Jesus, we've been. We've. I actually found out. I. I'm not gonna. At all. I mean, you know, we. We are a podcast of integrity. We're not going to take credit. We will. But I need to inform whatever listener told us that we brought belt to ass to Their to their awareness belt ass has been around for a long time. Belts have been applied to asses for a long time. And Iowa belt to ass with Minnesota. Minnesota did not show up ready for the game that I was was trying to play. I think that they were. I, I think PJ Flick is probably even talking in his coaches meetings about how they on the percentage scale of how good Minnesota can be, Minnesota was not high. No, that was a bad Minnesota performance for a Minnesota team that even might have its limitations.
Bud Elliott
Like yeah, I, I bet Iowa, I bet Minnesota team till under. I thought this was a really bad matchup for Minnesota. I did not think it was going to be like this. Like that was just not competitive at all.
Tom Fornelli
Oh yeah.
Bud Elliott
Like I, I, I did not think we went 41 to 3. 413.
Tom Fornelli
Phase. Yeah, I, yeah, I was slowed down in the second half. Like if Kirk Ference wanted to, he could have made this far worse than it was.
Bud Elliott
I mean they had 133 yards of total offense.
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Bud Elliott
And it felt like that.
Tom Fornelli
Hell, it didn't even feel like that much.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I mean they're, they did not have a drive for more than 20 yards until the game was what, 31 nothing.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, it was 34 field goal drive like in the third quarter.
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Which, and that that drive ended with three seconds left in the third quarter. So like before garbage time, they did not have a drive exceed 20 yards. They had one for 20. Yeah. 507 negative 11, 20, 12. 20 is pretty nice. 6, 17 and 2.
Tom Fornelli
Then I was scored on offense, defense and special teams. It was just, it was an Iowa ass game, man. That was like when I was firing on all cylinders. That's what they do. Mark Gronowski threw a touchdown just like I told you he would.
Bud Elliott
So you're right.
Chip Patterson
Is Iowa going to be a problem for the Oregon Ducks?
Tom Fornelli
Wisconsin kind of was. Why can't I will be.
Chip Patterson
I, I don't think so.
Tom Fornelli
But I wouldn't anticipate that. It's going to be a huge problem for Oregon. But the game is at Kinnick and it is going to be an electric atmosphere.
Chip Patterson
By the way.
Tom Fornelli
No, it's after. I think they're off next week. Yeah. So like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna pick Iowa to win that game. But I, I will tell you that that game could be trickier than you think. Especially because if we look at Oregon and if you wanted to like move over to that game, like they looked kind of against Wisconsin saying how they were playing in the weather it was rainy, it was windy, but they just did not look all that spectacular. And of course, last year you'd argue that Wisconsin was their worst Ohio State in the playoff. They won that game 16, 13. But in the last three games, or hell, last four games, Oregon blew a lead and had to survive in double overtime on the road at Penn State. It lost at home by 10 to Indiana, it killed Rutgers and then it kind of struggled at home again against Wisconsin. So like, this is not a team that has looked incredible in its last four games outside of the Rutgers spot. And then Dante Moore finished this game on the sideline because I guess he got hit in the face.
Chip Patterson
It was, it was a lot of blood. I saw your comments. It is not. It was, it was enough blood that it was like a health violation.
Tom Fornelli
Okay, don't, don't leave the slack out onto the public eye. Come on now. You were trying to make jokes. I was making jokes in slack. I said everybody has a plan until they're punched in the face. Except for Dante Moore. His plan is to leave the game.
Chip Patterson
It was enough blood that, you know, we gotta, we gotta take some action. Okay. Was the medical team's gonna get involved. Yeah, I didn't. Conditions were gnarly, so I totally understand why. We're just going to try to get out there, run this football and that's what we're going to be doing today.
Tom Fornelli
And it turns out like Wisconsin's defense, if they know you're just going to run, isn't terrible.
Chip Patterson
Has, has bodies, you know, that can be in positions, fill gaps, things of that nature. But, but for Oregon also, I was thinking about it in terms of the rhythm of the season. They've got that massive win at Penn State. They're off. They come back for the Indiana game, lose. They have their get right against Rutgers, but then they're fly all the way back across the country. Now they're back at home. This is a big off week for the Ducks to reset at Iowa. Minnesota on a short week, USC at home at Washington, who as we just said, good team. So we, we talk, you know, when we're talking about the Big Ten, like, oh yeah, the Big Three, like Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon. And I still would project it that way, but it's not. They're going to be challenges. If the Ducks do end up where I think they're going to be, they will have earned it. They will have had to beat some quality teams coming down the stretch.
Tom Fornelli
I'll also say another thing to consider about this game. Go look at the injury report, Wisconsin had about 25 guys listed is out, not including the guys that were already out for the season. So, I mean, that was like a lot of second and third stringers. Oregon was going up again today, and I know the conditions were bad, but 21 to 7, even in those conditions against Wisconsin's third string. Just say it.
Chip Patterson
It's.
Tom Fornelli
It's not encouraging.
Chip Patterson
Not the meanest note on my notepad, but Chris McIntosh bump was written down at one point today. Boy, that team was so inspired by that vote of confidence. They came out and gave you more confidence.
Tom Fornelli
North Carolina's played better since Lombardi's note. Now Wisconsin's playing better since Max.
Chip Patterson
I mean, could. It could have been there. Florida, if you just, you know, vote of confidence could have gotten there. All right, let's see. Sunflower showdown was fun. Auburn, we talked about Missouri. Oh, what would have. Yeah. What would have been a. A very hype item. How about this? But let me throw this right to you. Are we going to excuse the failures that set up a narrow win for Alabama, or should we take something away from the fact that they needed a little bit of help to get in and out of Columbia with a win?
Bud Elliott
I think we can note that they're not like death star level, but also note that this is what, their fourth, not automatic, like, layup game.
Tom Fornelli
Fifth.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it was there. It was four. The way that I. I've been calling it is they played four playoff contenders in a row. This was the fifth game in that stretch. Yeah. With a buy on the other side and it's on the road and it's against South Carolina. Like, I. I am being. I'm being apologist. Like, that is my fault here. That is. That's what. Where I'm gonna check myself now.
Bud Elliott
I would be curious to see, like, what are Bama's GPS numbers from practice this week? Because that team looked like it was Dragon. They did not have that same level of crispness that they had had in some of these games. But look, they've also had some close calls that they've got. Been on the correct side of. Not. Not say fortunate side of. Like, I think they were the better team than Missouri. I think they were the better team than Tennessee. Like, the pick six they had against Tennessee, that counts. But also, that's like an egregious decision for Aguilar to throw that ball there, you know, down by the goal line. Like, that game could have been, you know, much closer. I. That's a tough spot to go play. I think, like, That's a real crowd. South Carolina has some athletes, not really many on the offensive line, but like, you know, some. And they just looked slower and sluggish today and yet they still got the win because, you know, Simpson's pretty good.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I mean that this game really didn't look all that different from most of Alabama's games lately. Like they were in a close game in the fourth quarter and Ty Simpson made plays like when they needed him to win the game. And if they could run the ball, which again they could not today, they would, they wouldn't be playing in these close games. They would be able to put opponents away, but that's been their problem all year. They don't run the ball very effectively and it keeps them in these games. And then I'm just. Yeah, it's, it wasn't like. It was only shocking because it was South Carolina.
Bud Elliott
Like we.
Tom Fornelli
You would think that maybe they would win this game easier but like as you went over like after the stretch they've been through, it's not a shock to see that they're a bit sluggish now. If only somebody had taught Jeremy Bernard about game situations. Maybe my Underwood won that. You just had to score a touchdown. Like when this, when the defender is just standing like this, like letting you run by. That should be a hint.
Chip Patterson
He said he had the green light. Jeremy Bernard said he checked with Kaylin Devore and Ryan Grubb and he had a green light.
Bud Elliott
All right, well, I mean that's something.
Tom Fornelli
Worth noting too if we want to nitpick this.
Chip Patterson
John Talty's cousin who's not John Talty's cousin. Let me make it clear. Connor, Chicago kid Talty is extremely excited that Jeremy Bernard scored that touchdown. Yes.
Tom Fornelli
Saved him some distress.
Chip Patterson
I, and, and I think If I'm Kaylin DeBoer, I agree. You know, you don't, you don't want to put this on special teams and Beamer's house. Are you kidding me? You score that touchdown and you dare South Carolina to march down the field on you. And sure enough, here, this is one, one last thing. Tim Keenan, great game. Deontay Lawson has not been a star this year, but he comes up with the huge play to set up the game winning score. Lawson said after the game I felt like I have not lived paraphrasing a little bit, but he said, I felt like I have not been living up to my own expectations for myself. I felt like I've been putting the work in but just haven't been getting the results I was happy today went the way it went. Now we're going to try to build on this. The old guys in that locker room continue to impress me. So throw it. Throw it in there. I know I've been beating that horse, but another example of that today, I.
Bud Elliott
Would agree with that. Last takeaway here. They did well, I guess. Daniel. Daniel hill had an 11 yard run. Jam's largest run was seven. Like they just don't feel like they have a guy that when they block it up makes another dude miss, takes to the house. Like if they have Haynes, who's at Michigan, it's a different offense. It's still a really good offense, obviously, but like it's a little different.
Chip Patterson
Guy's name. Miller, right? Miller can scoot. Hold on.
Tom Fornelli
Jam Miller.
Chip Patterson
No, not Jam Miller.
Bud Elliott
Daniel Hill.
Chip Patterson
Riley Riley can scoot.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, I don't think he played today, did he?
Bud Elliott
He's not in the box score. Yeah, I don't remember getting touched, but.
Tom Fornelli
Maybe, maybe they need to get Kaden Proctor in space.
Chip Patterson
Justice. Haynes is awesome and. And his return to the lineup was much welcomed for Mission.
Bud Elliott
And the Chat's pointing out that he was a backup. Yeah, you know what? And it happens sometimes the backup is actually better than the starter and he goes somewhere else and he shows it. Like, did you see what. What Missouri's D line was doing today? A couple of those dudes were back up in Georgia. Right. And they're better than what Georgia has right now.
Tom Fornelli
Also, sometimes it's just scheme fit. Maybe Justin Zanes is a better fit for what Michigan does in its run game than Bama.
Chip Patterson
Mason Heintschel. 423 passing yards, man, three touchdowns and. And pit. Just pit. Pitted. Pitt does not understand the definition of stop.
Bud Elliott
Just bombed him.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, it's. This one got sideways pretty quickly. When I realized that NC State's defense couldn't stop a nosebleed, I had to rotate it off. Very busy. 3:34pm slate. Congrats to Pitt. Four and one in the ACC, six and two overall. The Panthers have won what, five games in a row now. One, two, three, four games in a row. Only conference losses to Louisville. That could be problematic in terms of the overall, you know, making the ACC title game. Though they have games against Georgia Tech and Miami at the end of the season after they played Notre Dame as well in November.
Bud Elliott
They.
Chip Patterson
They could win either one of those games.
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. Pit the death star.
Bud Elliott
Now I think Notre Dame will score a lot on them, but I think they will also score some on the Irish.
Chip Patterson
I Agree.
Tom Fornelli
Enough respect. Honestly, Nate in Pennsylvania tweeted me earlier today. He said, tell Bud and Chip to respect pit on the pod. I need to hear a little more respect.
Bud Elliott
Respected.
Chip Patterson
Oh, yeah. No, it. It. The. I. I'm pretty sure I will air check myself, maybe tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure when I did my tongue in cheek, Dave Doran's never lost the pit. I mentioned small sample size, two games, but there was a lot of like, you idiot. You thought two games. Oh, man, eat it. You know, like, it was fine. That's. I'm perfectly with that. It was, it was this pit. NC State, NC State, uva. There's a couple of games where I've. I've really felt like SMU brought the Big 12 in. You know, even though SMG's not a Big 12 member. It's just. You see the way the game's unfolding and you just like, okay, well, buckle up. It's gonna be this kind of game. And that was what I saw with this pit NC State game, and I just didn't. I did not trust NC State's defense to come up with the stops they were going to need. And offensively, while Justin Jolie had an amazing touchdown early on in this game, I think somebody, I think Matt Brown of extra points might have been the one who pointed it out as like a true Greg Jennings put the team on his back though type score. If you haven't seen Justin Jolie's touchdown in this game, definitely go check it out. But I, I just. If NC State wasn't going to get stops, they're not going to go win this game. On the road.
Tom Fornelli
Of the ACC, six teams that are 3 and 1 in the league or better, who do you trust the most? Georgia Tech, Virginia, Pitt, Louisville S. And you or Duke?
Chip Patterson
Wait, hold on. You didn't mention Miami.
Tom Fornelli
I said of the teams that are 3 and 1 or better in league.
Bud Elliott
Play, Miami's 2 and 1. Yeah, yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Georgia Tech, Virginia. PIT. Louisville, SMU and Duke.
Chip Patterson
No, Georgia Tech. Forget that Georgia Tech.
Bud Elliott
Okay, I think it's Louisville, but.
Chip Patterson
Haynes King over Miller Moss all day.
Bud Elliott
All right, run that back. Let's ask a question differently. Who do we think does not belong in the trust conversation there among those three in one teams? Give me the names one more time.
Tom Fornelli
Georgia Tech, Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, smu, Duke.
Bud Elliott
Smu, smu and probably uva. I think are. Are a level below maybe Duke, maybe Pitts. Wow.
Tom Fornelli
Wow. You guys couldn't even respect them for five minutes.
Chip Patterson
Wow. Maybe everybody but Louisville and Georgia Tech. Yeah.
Bud Elliott
But, like, is Georgia Tech that much better than Pitt? I just post QB change. This kid's really good.
Tom Fornelli
Probably not. No.
Chip Patterson
Hollywood's mothers was a lot of fun in this game. Desiree got banged up, but then came back in the game. I mean, it was a. It was an adventure. It was an adventure all the way through. I mean, unless you think Duke has used up all of its bad luck, I mean, then there's nothing but good luck to come, right? I mean, if the roulette wheel hits nothing but blacks, reds do.
Tom Fornelli
True.
Chip Patterson
That's true. It's science.
Tom Fornelli
It is science. Podcast of science.
Chip Patterson
That's another podcast. Kansas State Sunflower showdown. Whoa.
Bud Elliott
Whoa.
Tom Fornelli
I hardly saw any of this game, so I'm gonna rely on you guys.
Chip Patterson
It was close. This thing was looking like it was going to be fine, and then it was not. We have never asked Kansas to be stout defensively. We've just asked Kansas to be complimentary football. Good. Right. Well, what happens if the offense has a couple dead possessions and you're giving up 25 yard chunk plays after 25 yard chunk plays? Well, that's how you end up getting routed. So congrats to Kansas State.
Tom Fornelli
Read the Jace Brown stat line, chip.
Chip Patterson
Okay, four catches for 160. There we go. Four. Four targets, four catches, 160 yards. Every single reception was an explosive play. I mean, let's see. Let me. Here we go. 34 yards, 20 yards, 28 yards, 78 yards. That last 78 yarder being a touchdown. And by the way, there were. That's officially four targets, four receptions. There was a fifth pass thrown his way, but he was so open, he drew defensive holding. So unguardable, unstoppable. Jace Brown. Very, very important in this. Also four Kansas turnovers. Very costly.
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Do you know who goes to Manhattan next week? Texas Tech.
Tom Fornelli
Texas Tech. Yeah. Okay.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
You think. You think Kansas State will get him? I've got no observations about Texas Tech. They ran the opening kickoff back and the game was over.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Jacoby Williams had a 99 yard kickoff return. And I think Jacoby Williams had another touchdown too. I mean, it was just. We were in nobody get hurt protocols. Very respectful throughout the second half here.
Tom Fornelli
Do you. Do you remember when I bet futures on every Big Ten team or Big 12 team, those 10 to 1 or greater to win the league?
Chip Patterson
Yes.
Tom Fornelli
Well, Texas Tech was not one of them. They're going on the road to play Kansas State and then they're playing BYU the week after that, which is another team that was not one of them, which is really good news for me. The guy that has Houston at 40 to 1 and Cincinnati at 50 to 1.
Chip Patterson
Cincinnati might be playing each other.
Tom Fornelli
That's what I'm saying. So I. No offense, Texas Tech. No offense, byu. I really like both of your teams and I respect you, but I would not be that upset if you guys lost some games.
Chip Patterson
Houston's win at Arizona State was very unsettling.
Tom Fornelli
For Arizona State or for Houston?
Chip Patterson
For Houston.
Bud Elliott
That's how they are this year, though.
Tom Fornelli
That's. That's exactly who they are.
Chip Patterson
I. I agree. I think you just wish that you could have closed the door against Jeff Sims a little bit more than you did.
Bud Elliott
I mean, they lost like their entire secondary to the portal. It. It's remarkable how well they're playing, given that. I think this is a bit of like a, hey, next year is the start of something for them because, like, they're. I think they're gonna hold on to Keyshawn Henderson, who, like, who's the star quarterback recruit.
Chip Patterson
Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Bud Elliott
Like, like, maybe the best player in the whole country in high school football. Like, and he's Houston kid. He's coming there. In my mind, preseason, I was like, this team, it's still a willie for its team. They'll probably get somebody they shouldn't maybe a couple times. But, like, this roster doesn't look amazing because they got picked over so bad in the portal. And yet, like, they just keep finding ways like that. This is about, like, I think the maximum we could possibly expect from them. And they're. They're delivering, like, at what I think is probably their ceiling over and over again, which is pretty cool.
Tom Fornelli
Also say, like, you see this sometimes in games, like, if a player loses. If an offense loses its star player to an injury earlier in the game, they're dead because they've probably game planned around that guy the entire time. But then the next week the guy's out and they come back without him. And they play better because they were prepared for. For it. You see it on the defensive side of the ball. When you're ready for one quarterback who plays a specific kind of way, that quarterback gets injured and incomes. Jeff Sims, who does not play a similar style, which means Arizona State is going to be now running a completely different offense, one you did not prepare for. And you are not an elite talent defense that can just scheme up and do anything against anybody. So you were prepared to play Sam Levitt and you did a great job. Jeff Sims comes in, new offense. You weren't as prepared. You gave up yards and points. So you can disrespect Houston all you want, Chip Patterson, but Bud and I know, all right, that's a tough situation to be in. So you should apologize to the coots right the hell now.
Chip Patterson
I will not.
Bud Elliott
Wow.
Chip Patterson
We have discussed and debated Jeff Sims bylaws for locks. As though the presence of Jeff adjusts the outcome of the games as they should be graded.
Tom Fornelli
Wow.
Chip Patterson
Yeah. No Jordan Tyson in this game. Incredibly significant.
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Chip Patterson
So Arizona State takes a loss. That changes the math there. But Houston keeps it rolling. Houston's only loss in conference play was to Texas Tech. Cincinnati, undefeated byu undefeated. Conference play. At least Garrett's comment. Jeff Sims was a quarterback in college when Barton was still on the show. It's not wrong. I mean he was going to be the savior for Georgia Tech.
Tom Fornelli
He was.
Chip Patterson
Georgia Tech found a quarterback.
Tom Fornelli
Jeff Sims and Jameer Gibbs were going to lead Georgia Tech to the promised land.
Chip Patterson
Jameer Gibbs must have had an amazing. When did the lines. Were the lines on Monday Night Football? They were. They were in prime time.
Tom Fornelli
Yes, right.
Bud Elliott
They were. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
We said how did Alabama not win a title? Which appeared Gibbs on the team. And somebody screenshotted Bill o' Brien in an Alabama stick here today.
Bud Elliott
Did I mention that they renamed one of our group chats to make fun of me?
Chip Patterson
What is it?
Bud Elliott
So like I. I don't watch a lot of NFL and we had. I had the quad box on the other night and it was Jags Chiefs, which was from like two weeks ago apparently being replayed in one of the quad boxes.
Chip Patterson
And I thought, I thought it was live.
Bud Elliott
It's like guys, Trevor Lawrence is doing a crazy comeback right now. Like they just totally side texted. Like they just started. Hey, don't tell bud. Like, like play it up now.
Chip Patterson
It's.
Bud Elliott
It's like Jags on delay.
Chip Patterson
That's good.
Bud Elliott
Yeah. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
All right. Any. Anything else we want to hit here? Obviously anything we are not able to get to here on the instant reaction show now running at 92 minutes.
Bud Elliott
Gotta get Wake some flowers for pulling that out.
Chip Patterson
Oh yeah, like SMU played right into Wake's hands. Wake Forest is very much in the Kentucky. I'm trying to think of another good example here. Like what? Like if you play on their terms, they can beat you. There's a number that if you can score on Wake. I don't know if Wake's built to come back and score meet you there. But if you get drug into the muck weight can beat you.
Bud Elliott
Do you know it might be the most clutch team in the country, Nebraska. When they have to have it, they.
Tom Fornelli
Have to have it. They go get it.
Chip Patterson
I'm not falling for that.
Bud Elliott
Okay.
Chip Patterson
I think Bud's. I think Bud's working on a bit shenanigans.
Tom Fornelli
Bud's trying to bait me here.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Oh.
Bud Elliott
I want to see if Tom. Take it. All right.
Tom Fornelli
Hey, come on.
Chip Patterson
Oh, Auburn made a quarterback change.
Tom Fornelli
They did.
Chip Patterson
And it wasn't Deuce Knight. It was Ashton Daniels. And they won.
Tom Fornelli
Did Hugh Free save Arkansas from Bobby Petrino? I have it written in my notes, so I'm going to ask it on the chat.
Bud Elliott
So Arkansas makes like the most ridiculous late game turnovers.
Tom Fornelli
Dude.
Bud Elliott
What is like the worst possible time for us to fumble? Oh, right now? Okay. It's happening. Same thing against Memphis.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great point. Doesn't matter who the coach is. Yeah. And hey, you know what? Actually, if you want to pull out notes, what was the. Nebraska. Nebraska.
Tom Fornelli
All right.
Chip Patterson
Nebraska being bowl eligible used to be an accomplishment. So you know what? They're six and two. They're both eligible.
Tom Fornelli
Congratulations.
Chip Patterson
And while it has not been pretty, always isn't 6 and 2 about what you would have guessed preseason at this point.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Maybe not the games, but six and two at this point in the season seems about fair. We'll see how they finish.
Bud Elliott
That is like so diplomatic.
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Bud Elliott
Well done.
Chip Patterson
That was like the most. I was an opinion from a super optimistic Nebraska fan. Like, hey guys, you know what? Let's take a moment and think about how bad it was, you know, when they weren't even bowl eligible, when they weren't winning one score games.
Bud Elliott
Shouts to Drew Messamaker, by the way.
Tom Fornelli
On Friday night, like a billion yards.
Chip Patterson
If we were still doing the hymn promotion, that'd be the hymn of the week.
Bud Elliott
That was some like Timmy Chang style stuff right there.
Chip Patterson
Yes.
Tom Fornelli
That was very old school running shooter.
Bud Elliott
Yeah.
Chip Patterson
What was?
Tom Fornelli
June Jones. That was a running shoe, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Chip Patterson
Run and shoot. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
Shout out to Joey Jaguar who was dropping moon balls on Kentucky. He had some beautiful moon balls in that game.
Chip Patterson
Shout out to Joey Jaguar. They. How many?
Tom Fornelli
Shout out to Greg Shiano who was very excited about Rutgers win over Purdue today.
Chip Patterson
Man.
Tom Fornelli
Had to have a game if they wanted to get to bowl eligibility. Absolutely had to have it is.
Bud Elliott
Is Vandy Tennessee in Neyland for a playoff bid?
Chip Patterson
Maybe.
Tom Fornelli
Might be.
Chip Patterson
We'll see. All right, anything else before we do tomorrow's top 25 today?
Tom Fornelli
I love you.
Chip Patterson
I love you too. All right. Every single week, we like to get you set for the upcoming Update to tomorrow's to the new AP Top 25 poll. It's tomorrow's Top 25 today. Now, since the number one Ohio State Buckeyes, we're off, we're not expecting much shake. Up top. As we mentioned earlier in the show, Indiana, Texas, A and M, Alabama all survive with the win. I have a question. Do you think it would be fair or justified to see Ole Miss move up from their spot at number eight with the potential of jumping Georgia Tech and or the Oregon Ducks?
Tom Fornelli
Yes.
Bud Elliott
Texas, maybe.
Chip Patterson
Ole Miss went into Norman as a five and a half point underdog. Came out with a pretty impressive win. They jumped all over him early, blew the lead, but then finished strong. I just, I wouldn't be surprised if some voters tie them closer to Georgia, right? Oh, you're an Ole Miss team that just had this huge win. The only loss that you have on the season is close on the road to Georgia. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of a magnet move there. And I'm guessing that voters didn't stay super dialed into Oregon, Wisconsin, but the final score, you know, if you don't know all the context of it, final score is not going to do the Ducks any favors. What it might mean for Georgia Tech, I don't know. I think Georgia Tech might be able to hang tight. But I do see some room for upward momentum for Ole Miss coming out of what might have been a win that seals them a spot in the College Football Playoff. I could buy that elsewhere in the rankings, some slight moves up, some maybe shuffling. Maybe you see like a BYU or a Georgia Tech start to get a little bit of levity, a little bit of raising in the rankings thanks to still having a zero in the loss column. A lot of shakeup, though, coming from teams that are losing. That includes South Florida, of course, at number 18, LSU at number 20, Illinois at number 23, Arizona at Arizona State at number 24. I've got all four of those teams falling all the way out. I've got Missouri falling down to number 20. I've got Oklahoma falling down to number 19. Any, any issues with Missouri and Oklahoma not falling out of the rankings?
Bud Elliott
Well, Oklahoma's best two wins both won today, right? Auburn and Michigan.
Chip Patterson
Yeah, Michigan provides a very easy floor for voters when it comes to Oklahoma.
Bud Elliott
And every team that Oklahoma lost to also won today.
Tom Fornelli
Yes. Okay.
Chip Patterson
I mean, today was only their second loss.
Bud Elliott
Right. So Texas 1. All right, so yeah, that makes sense. You know, Missouri, their win against Kansas looks more devalued obviously, since Kansas got walked by Kansas State.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, they don't have a great win, but they only have two top 10 team losses.
Bud Elliott
Right.
Tom Fornelli
And they, they were competitive in both of their losses to top 10 teams. So I'm not going to kind of.
Chip Patterson
My note in the story was look, here's where we think they're going to land. But let's be honest, any big picture discussion of Missouri is like, oh crap, we're down to the true freshman quarterback. So voters will look at the resume and the performance on the road. One score loss to a top 10 team, one score loss to a team that's undefeated in the SEC standings. You're still going to be hanging in. You'll be somewhere in the 20s. But as we're trying to game plan the rest of it, which is not the AP voter's job, but just it's ours as well. Impossible not to acknowledge the impact of losing Beau Pribula got Memphis cracking the rankings, got Navy cranking the. Cracking into the rankings. 70 overall, 50 in conference play. I forgot this year. And maybe this is going to be the, the, the, the standard moving forward. But that Army Navy game is not a conference game.
Tom Fornelli
Correct.
Chip Patterson
You do the math on it. You're like that's nine opponents from the American. But as I mentioned earlier, they do play many of the other top top teams in the American Athletic Conference. Got Houston up into the top 25 with their win against Arizona State. A nice little replacement for voters to make it easy for them.
Tom Fornelli
So do you not have either Washington or Iowa ranked? That's a no, I assume.
Chip Patterson
No. Yeah, I don't, I, I could, I could review. I've still got one more stab at this. I always do when, when we finish, I get one more. Look, I mean I.
Tom Fornelli
Listen, I'm, I'm not, I'm just wondering if you had them in. I'm not going to argue like Iowa is 6 and 2, but it's best win is I guess like zombie Penn State. I would say Washington has a much.
Chip Patterson
Better argument for it based on the quality losses. Yeah.
Tom Fornelli
And they have a win over an Illini team that has been ranked and was ranked when they played them.
Chip Patterson
I had Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Washington, USC, kind of all in this combination right now. USC was closer to number 25 than they were to number 27 last week. They did not play, but they're already on a lot of ballots. So what does that, you know, end up doing in terms of the shuffling that you're going to get? Utah might pop their way on just based on sticker shock.
Tom Fornelli
You know, it's 46 to nothing in the fourth quarter, by the way.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I'm monitoring this for you, Tom.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, really just need four more points here, fellas.
Bud Elliott
Yeah, I mean, you know who's in now, right?
Tom Fornelli
Oh, is Devin in?
Bud Elliott
Isaac Wilson's in.
Tom Fornelli
Oh, oh, no.
Chip Patterson
Oh, no.
Bud Elliott
But.
Chip Patterson
Brother.
Tom Fornelli
Yeah, yeah.
Bud Elliott
Kyle, so you don't Utah either?
Chip Patterson
No, but I'm saying Utah's another one that I'm sitting here like as I'm looking at that 25th, 24th, 25th spot. Those are all things that I get one more edit on when we close the show.
Tom Fornelli
Chips out here throwing in Navy. He's out here throwing in Houston. He's putting in usc. Moving back in on a buy. Can't put in Iowa or Washington or, or Utah, can you? No, all they did was win games. I said Iowa, Washington, USC looked great in practice though.
Chip Patterson
Iowa blurb kicked the out of Minnesota. Print.
Tom Fornelli
Go. Print it.
Chip Patterson
Go. Yeah, so lots of movement there as you look at the. A very, you know, beefy group there inside the top 19, 20 or so and then a very, very fluid once you get into the 20s and and beyond, as evidenced here by those two lost teams that all are sort of trading in and out all along the rankings. And, and again, our projection is that Navy, although they were 30th in voting points last week, they will break in as they are the last unranked undefeated team in the poll. All right, we will be back on Monday with upon further review, one last look at all the results of week nine before we turn our attention ahead to week ten. You can follow him on Twitter at Tom for now you can follow him@bud elliot3. You can follow me at Chippatterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much.
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Podcast: Cover 3 College Football
Air Date: October 26, 2025
Hosts: Chip Patterson, Tom Fornelli, Bud Elliott
Theme: In-depth instant reaction and analysis to a packed Week 9 in college football, featuring big wins, upsets, playoff implications, and discussions on coaching futures.
The Cover 3 team breaks down a thrilling Week 9, focusing on huge games like Ole Miss-Oklahoma, Texas A&M-LSU, Missouri-Vanderbilt, and more. The hosts discuss team performances, playoff ramifications, coaching controversies, and the shifting balance of power across conferences. The episode is rich with sharp analysis, a healthy dose of humor, and plenty of predictive insights for the remainder of the season.
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Pitt blows out NC State ([86:06]): “Pitt just pitt’d. They do not understand the meaning of stop.” Iowa crushes Minnesota ([73:42]): “That was a bad Minnesota performance for a team that might have its limitations.” Oregon survives Wisconsin: Weather is a factor, team looks off, Dante Moore bloodied but not out. Kansas State trounces Kansas: Jace Brown, 4 rec, 160 yds, dominates ([91:49]). Nebraska bowl eligible: “6-2 is about where you would have guessed them preseason.”
The episode delivers insightful, high-level yet conversational analysis. The hosts blend strategic breakdowns, stats, and tactical talk with humorous asides, sarcasm, and in-jokes that long-time listeners will appreciate. They’re not shy about being self-critical, updating or fortifying preseason positions (“never wrong, just early”), and frequently acknowledge the fickle variance of college football.
A lively Week 9 instant reaction full of substantive analysis on the games and their broader impact. Fans will leave with a clear sense of the playoff picture, the fates of major programs and coaches, and the subtle shifts defining the 2025 college football landscape.
[End of Instant Reaction – For more in-depth breakdowns, tune in Monday for “Upon Further Review.”]