Devon and Sydney Carlson: Sisters, Situationships, & Starting a Business (FBF)

Summary

Call Her Daddy – Devon and Sydney Carlson: Sisters, Situationships, & Starting a Business (FBF)

Date: August 14, 2026
Host: Alex Cooper
Guests: Devon Carlson & Sydney Carlson

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant, candid episode, Alex Cooper welcomes sisters Devon and Sydney Carlson—entrepreneurs, best friends, and co-founders of Wildflower Cases. The discussion covers their evolution as siblings and business partners, family dynamics, wild dating stories, and the raw, unfiltered realities of relationships and breakups. The episode delivers heartfelt moments, playful banter, and loads of sisterly wisdom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sisterhood & Friendship Dynamic

[03:21]

• Alex notes that Devon and Sydney are the first sisters (and family members) she’s had on Call Her Daddy.
• The two share that while they were always close as sisters, their true friendship blossomed post-high school and after some tough romantic relationships.

"We were just like sisters for a really long time...but after that relationship, we became really close." – Devin Carlson [07:11]

• They recall their childhood “Carlson clap,” and admit that most of their sisterly fights were over borrowed clothes, with intense but short-lived drama.

2. The Wildflower Cases Origin Story

[12:08]

• Alex asks about Wildflower, their phone case brand. The sisters recount its accidental origin: their mom crafted unique phone cases as a DIY birthday gift, which quickly attracted attention from friends and strangers alike.
• A pivotal moment: while out to dinner, Miley Cyrus encountered their cases, loved them, and tweeted about them, sending their tiny project viral overnight.

"Miley taps our mom on the shoulder and is like, 'Did you make these phone cases? Like, they're so cute.' ... She was like, 'You guys should start a business.'" – Sydney Carlson [15:48]
"My dad looked at her and said, 'We'll have a website in the morning.'" – Devin Carlson [15:56]

• The family sold their house to fund the business and spent five years running Wildflower from their grandparents’ place.

"If not everyone’s not holding up their part of the bargain...we’re not gonna have a roof over our head." – Devin Carlson [19:02]

3. Navigating Business and Family

[17:28]

• Both sisters and their parents ultimately left their jobs to work full-time on Wildflower, facing social stigma at the time for “not going to college” or “posting on Instagram for business.”
• They touch on their parents’ support and role models, especially their parents’ high-school-sweetheart love story as the family’s template for relationships.

4. Personalities According to Each Other

[10:10]

• Devon describes Sydney as the dry, monotone, funniest member of their friend group; Sydney describes Devon as the social butterfly, outgoing, instantly making friends anywhere.

"Sydney can never be serious for more than, like, five seconds. She’s perfect. She’s also fun...she’s just, like, dry, funny, serious.” – Devin Carlson [10:40]
"She can be put in a room with complete strangers and walk out with 10 friends." – Sydney Carlson [11:08]

5. Dating Lives Unfiltered

Devin’s Journey

[20:01]

• Recently out of a long-term public relationship, Devon shares her wild year as a single woman, dating around before settling into a new exclusive relationship.

"I was just like, zero. I’ll go on a date with anyone right now. Like, just really throwing myself out there and making up for lost time and having so much fun." – Devin Carlson [21:40]

Sydney’s Approach

[23:12]

• Sydney is single, but contrasts herself as someone who rarely dates, only entering relationships that build from friendships.

"Everyone that I have gotten into a relationship with, I have been friends with and become really close with. And then I'm like, oh my God, we have feelings. We're dating." – Sydney Carlson [25:39]

Sisterly Oversight

• Sydney loves to test Devon’s boyfriends ("I thought you were her Uber driver..." [24:05]) and admits to calling in favors/smoothies just to watch.

"Types" and Attraction

[26:27]

• Sydney: Attracted to confident, unique, “interesting-looking” guys with strong senses of self.
• Devon: Often dates musicians and is drawn to people secure in themselves.

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Deep Dive: Toxic, Intense Relationships & Growth

Sydney’s Vulnerability

[32:54]

• Sydney opens up about a consuming early relationship with an addict, detailing isolation, coping with secrets, and the long road back to self-love and healthy connections.

“I didn’t want to talk...it ate at me inside. I bleached my hair...had an eating disorder...stopped talking to friends, my family...I will fight for this, no matter how much it hurts. I had to learn that’s not the truth.” – Sydney Carlson [34:44/35:18]

• She reflects on her parents’ enduring relationship as an early model for love, and ultimately celebrates her “glow-up” post-breakup.

“Thank you for cheating on me. That was the best thing you’ve ever done.” – Sydney Carlson [38:46]

Sisterly Rescue & Recovery

[36:31]

• When Sydney was at her lowest post-breakup, Devon and friends immediately rallied, inviting her into their group, rebuilding her confidence and social life.

“I was like, we gotta show her what it’s like to like, be treated right, have really good friends and healthy relationships.” – Devon Carlson [37:18]

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The IG Stalking Confessional

[41:17]

• Both sisters admit to having multiple “finsta” and stalker accounts, using them to deep dive on potential romantic interests, exes, and more.

“I would go on and...look up their tour...I had the tour manager's list...watch every story, look at the girls, everyone's profile, tag photos, everything.” – Devin Carlson [41:45]

• Alex normalizes the practice:

“There’s no shame in stalking. Like, who gives a...Everyone does it.” – Alex Cooper [42:12]

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Hilarious/Memorable Game Segment: “Which Sister Is More Likely…”

[43:20]

• The sisters play a rapid-fire game, hilariously revealing:
  • Sydney is the family favorite (and gets away with more).
  • Both “borrow” each other’s clothes (without always asking).
  • Sydney is more likely to post drunk on IG, have a wild hookup, and get cheated on (“I’m honestly the face of being cheated on.” – Sydney [48:07]).
  • Devon will text her ex when drunk, and is more likely to get kicked out of the club—but only for clumsiness, not wildness.
  • Neither would cheat in a relationship, both value loyalty.
  • Sydney sometimes DMs celebrities just to make her friends laugh (and quickly unsends).

Notable Quotes from the Game:

“I’m honestly the face of being cheated on." – Sydney Carlson [48:07]
“I’d cheat before they could...if I found out they were with someone, I’d be, like, who?” – Devin Carlson [47:59]
“I have never on the first date.” – Devin Carlson [45:35]
“She has been trying to get our family on a reality show since she was in high school.” – Devin Carlson [45:50]

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Toxic Attraction & Relationship Growth

[50:00]

• Sydney is drawn to “big personalities,” admitting she gives too much of herself in relationships—something she’s now working to change.
• Devon is attracted to witty, word-savvy types, but acknowledges she can be equally shrewd, leading to intense, sometimes toxic pairings.

“I think the toxic I’m attracted to is someone who’s good with their words…And I think maybe I know how to get what I want.” – Devin Carlson [51:37]
“I give too much of myself. Like, toxic in a bad way for myself.” – Sydney Carlson [50:42]

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Wild Dating Story: The “Bad Date That Turned Good”

[52:26]
Devon recounts a chaotic date in NYC where everything goes wrong—her date is super late, she’s hangry, then his car gets towed and he forgets his wallet. Yet, their comedic, “zero fucks given” banter leads to a great night, great sex, and flowers the next morning.

• Sydney later roasts the guy as the “Uber driver” when meeting him, adding sisterly spice.

“I was like, it takes longer to drive. I was like, you know where I am. He pulled around, we go to dinner, he forgets his wallet, his car gets towed...but we laughed our asses off and then hooked up. That’s dating.” – Devin Carlson [53:52–56:01]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “My dad was a graphic designer for years. He looked at Miley and said, 'We’ll have a website in the morning.' And we were like, yeah, we will.” – Devin Carlson [15:56]
• “We would literally be group chatting during a date, like, who's going to come meet up with us now?” – Sydney Carlson [26:02]
• “I’m just so, like, endlessly happy and grateful and like, just...it’s still very surreal. It’s crazy.” – Devin Carlson [19:32]
• “I stand by it. You’re like the glow-up it gave me.” – Sydney Carlson [48:13]
• “If I make someone my boyfriend, I don’t want to be dating other people.” – Sydney Carlson [49:45]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Sisterly Evolution & Friendship: [03:21]–[07:45]
• Wildflower Cases Origin Story: [12:08]–[17:32]
• Dating Lives (Devon’s & Sydney’s Journeys): [20:01]–[26:27]
• Personality Descriptions: [10:10]–[11:44]
• Breakups & Personal Growth: [32:54]–[38:46]
• Instagram/Fake Accounts Confessional: [41:17]–[42:58]
• Game Segment (“Which Sister Is More Likely…”): [43:20]–[49:51]
• Attraction to Toxicity & Relationship Lessons: [50:00]–[52:16]
• Crazy Dating Story: [52:26]–[56:01]

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Episode Tone & Vibe

Playful, supportive, raw, and refreshingly honest. The Carlson sisters reveal the complexities behind their public personas—a decade-long business built on family and hustle, the heartbreaks that shaped them, and the unique sister bond that’s both hilarious and unwavering.

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Summary Takeaways

• Sisterhood can transcend routine sibling bonds, especially when tested by life’s big transitions and tough relationships.
• Launching a business may start from a family hobby—viral moments (hello, Miley Cyrus!) can change everything.
• Dating is never straightforward: from wild years of singledom to the pitfalls of falling for big personalities, everyone fumbles through heartbreak, healing, and new beginnings.
• Owning your quirks and mistakes (whether it’s IG stalking or chaotic dates) is part of the ride.
• The unbreakable support from a sibling or close friend can be a lifeline after relationship lows.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone craving candid stories, sisterly banter, and the real talk behind social media successes and failures, with plenty of laughs and healing in between.

Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

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[Sydney Carlson]

i would.

[Devin Carlson]

I, like, want to take off my shoes and, like, get cozy.

[Alex Cooper]

There's water behind you if you need it. But he's like, I kind of think

[Devin Carlson]

I want a drink. I'm suddenly nervous.

[Alex Cooper]

Should we go get a drink? Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Okay, let's go.

[Sydney Carlson]

Okay.

[Alex Cooper]

What is up, Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with. Let me hear you guys. Give me, like, a little, like. See that?

[Sydney Carlson]

Hi, Alex.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, wait, maybe bring yours down so I want to see your face a little. Take off your top. Okay, Sydney, maybe I'll bring that closer to your mouth.

[Devin Carlson]

Is this good?

[Alex Cooper]

I don't know why you're singing, but I love it.

[Devin Carlson]

I actually don't want you to sing at all.

[Alex Cooper]

Devin and Sydney Carlson, welcome to Call Her Daddy. There's, like, no crowd. Let's start off with. You guys are the first official sisters I have ever had on Caller Daddy.

[Devin Carlson]

Really?

[Alex Cooper]

Or I guess, like, people related even.

[Sydney Carlson]

We clap a lot.

[Devin Carlson]

Carlson clap.

[Sydney Carlson]

My dad calls it the Carlson clap because we clap all the time. I think we got it from them anytime. My parents will always start a clap. And it just has gone down to

[Devin Carlson]

us when we were little. Like, anything, the smallest things we did,

[Sydney Carlson]

they were like, even now we, like, walk in their house and they're like,

[Alex Cooper]

I love it because you guys keep clapping at me. And I'm like. I'm like, welcome to college. I'd be like, yeah, okay. You just had a birthday. Happy belated birthday. You went to Vegas?

[Devin Carlson]

I went to Vegas.

[Alex Cooper]

Tell me, what was the most, like, memorable moment in Vegas? What happened?

[Sydney Carlson]

What did you do? Oh, God.

[Devin Carlson]

Well, the entire trip was, like, kind of a surprise.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah. She didn't know.

[Devin Carlson]

A few months ago, we were all sitting in my bedroom, and I was like, what are we gonna do for my birthday? Like, we gotta make it big. And. Cause it was like, my first. Whatever.

[Alex Cooper]

First single birthday in a while. Okay, we can say it. We can say it. Okay, okay. First single birthday in a while. You were gonna do it. You gotta do.

[Sydney Carlson]

You do it big.

[Devin Carlson]

And I was like, Katy Perry, obviously, we have to See, that's what, like,

[Sydney Carlson]

started the idea of. Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

So then we were looking up the dates, and then she happened to be playing, and so we're like, fudge it. And then I started getting closer, and they're like, what do you want to do? And I was like, can part of my gift Just be that. I don't plan it. Like, can you guys just plan it? So everything was kind of a highlight, but I feel like one of my favorite parts was when we were all at the lobby bar and we. Everyone kept coming down and, like, showing off their outfits. And we'd be like, yeah, because we didn't stay in the same room. We all stayed in separate.

[Sydney Carlson]

Separate room.

[Devin Carlson]

So it kind of felt like camp. And then everyone. We would, like, group.

[Sydney Carlson]

It was summer camp.

[Alex Cooper]

We're meeting at the lobby, and everyone would come down.

[Devin Carlson]

It was like a fashion show. Seeing everyone's, like, outfits. I don't know.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so you were there.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yes.

[Alex Cooper]

Do you usually get invited to each other's?

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, within the past few years.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Well, because we were just like sisters for a really long time.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, just really, I feel like in high school.

[Alex Cooper]

When did you become friends? Walk me through the.

[Devin Carlson]

The high school.

[Sydney Carlson]

We were definitely like sisters. Still like friends. We never have really fought.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Devin Carlson]

I don't think I've ever had a real fight. Every fight has been about clothes. Like, screaming, crying, everything in unison.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Why are you fighting over clothes?

[Devin Carlson]

Because, like, you borrowed that without.

[Sydney Carlson]

You didn't ask me. Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

My first job, I spent all of my money on mainly, like, gas and clothes. And I would work hours for, like, little money. And then I go to the urban outfitter sales section, buy one thing, and then go to wear it, and it's gone. And I'm like.

[Sydney Carlson]

And I'm like, I worked so hard

[Devin Carlson]

to buy this shirt, and she's wearing it without asking. And then there was like, the trade. It's like, okay, well, if you borrowed that without asking, I get to wear two things that you've never worn, but

[Sydney Carlson]

you can't post photo in it.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you guys in the same friend group?

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah, we're like. We hang out every day, basically. Yeah. Like, our friend group is the same. We're like a friend group.

[Devin Carlson]

It was like Sydney went through, like, a gnarly relationship and then got out of it. And I feel like we weren't close at all during that relationship. And it really made me be like, oh, my gosh. Okay. Once she's out of this, like, I can't show me, like, what I. I almost lost my sister. I felt like, as a, like, in my life, and I was like, I'm never letting this happen again. She is like, I'm not. I'm, like, forcing her to be my friend, basically.

[Sydney Carlson]

And then after the relationship. Yeah, we became really close.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Did you feel that too?

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah. I mean, it was a fact.

[Alex Cooper]

Friends are amazing. Yeah, but like, friends are friends. Like, they're not your blood. The fact that you guys are friends and your blood.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah, I think we forget sometimes. And our friends sometimes are like, I always forget.

[Devin Carlson]

You guys are like sisters.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, we hang out with like sisters. Like, it doesn't feel like. But it's.

[Devin Carlson]

We'll also do like our bickering fights about like just sister fight. And our friends will be like, sister fight. But it'll last like five minutes and

[Sydney Carlson]

then we'll be like, should we go get dinner?

[Alex Cooper]

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[Devin Carlson]

Want.

[Alex Cooper]

Obviously, we got salads, but as you dip, some of your favorites, like buffalo, cauliflower bites, roasted veggies, maybe a grilled chicken. I don't know, maybe a pizza. You got it. Okay. Do not sleep on Hidden Valley Ranch. It's seriously the most versatile thing in your fridge. I will never be caught dead with anything other than Hidden Valley Ranch in my purse. Oh, I forgot my phone. Oh, that sucks. But guess what?

[Devin Carlson]

Guess what.

[Alex Cooper]

I didn't forget Hidden Valley Ranch. It's gonna be in a pocket. It's gonna be in my purse. It's gonna be somewhere on my body. I could forget. I could forget my dogs. I forget my husband, but I at Hidden Valley. Okay, grab a bottle of Hidden Valley Ranch with avocado oil today. Now [e-mail]. i want to get an idea of your personalities but described by the other person. Devin, you go first. Describe Sydney's personality and how, like, friends view her. And, like, who is she in the friend group? And, like, what is her personality? Give me the tea.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Sydney is, like, the funny. The funny one. She's, like, the funniest one out of all of our friends. Like, Sydney can never be serious for more than, like, five seconds. She's perfect. And she's also fun. I don't know. She's not silly or goofy. She's just, like, dry, funny, serious.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, dry humor and monotone is the fucking fun.

[Devin Carlson]

That's what she is.

[Alex Cooper]

When you're like. What did you just say? You're like, absolutely. Okay. That I feel like we get. Already got to know you a little bit better now. Do it for Devin.

[Sydney Carlson]

Devin's not the quiet one. She can be put in a room with complete strangers and walk out with 10 friends, 10 new numbers going, lunch plans. Like, she.

[Devin Carlson]

No, that's Sydney. No.

[Sydney Carlson]

Oh, my God. No, we are. Okay, if that's when I'm drunk and I give people my number, that's completely different.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, alcohol and, like, she can do

[Sydney Carlson]

this just, like, naturally. That's where we're, like, very different. Like, she's, like, social butterfly, Ken. Like, talk to anyone, be friends with anyone. And it's honestly, really. It's like, a talent of hers.

[Alex Cooper]

And you're like, the first one. If you're walking the door, you're talking first, and then she's following you with, like, hilarious jokes.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, the joke was always.

[Sydney Carlson]

Exactly.

[Devin Carlson]

Whenever people get to meet us, they'd always be like, sydney's really the funny one. Like, you think that, like, Devin's the funny one with a good dense. They're like, sydney's the funny one.

[Alex Cooper]

And are you okay with that?

[Devin Carlson]

I. It's true. I can't really be mad.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, this is reality and we have to just appreciate it and accept it.

[Sydney Carlson]

We work perfectly together.

[Alex Cooper]

Your sisters, your best friends, and your business partners. Your company, Wildflower, creates the best phone cases. I'm pretty sure when we were drunk at Olivia o' Brien's music video or somewhere, you guys, like, lightly, like, you lightly started telling me this.

[Devin Carlson]

First time we.

[Alex Cooper]

I think it was. We were like, upstairs.

[Devin Carlson]

Yes. Oh, my God. It came over before you came over to a laptop.

[Sydney Carlson]

Oh, my God. Yes. And you broke the latex outfit.

[Devin Carlson]

Oh, my God. I did.

[Alex Cooper]

And it was like, so awkward because I didn't know anyone and it was like, so nice. You were like, show us your vagina. Let's get out of the way.

[Sydney Carlson]

Let's go. I remember that.

[Devin Carlson]

And we were like, we love her.

[Alex Cooper]

And then we got drunk at the music video while Olivia's like, crushing it in the corner. We're like, she's working. We're just gonna get hammered.

[Devin Carlson]

Right?

[Alex Cooper]

And you guys started to tell me the story of how it all came to be. Tell us the story for the daddy gang that doesn't know.

[Sydney Carlson]

Well, it happened 10 years ago now. We just celebrated our 10 year anniversary.

[Alex Cooper]

Congratulations. That's.

[Sydney Carlson]

Thank you.

[Alex Cooper]

Thank you.

[Devin Carlson]

It's crazy.

[Alex Cooper]

Holy.

[Sydney Carlson]

Very crazy. My. I really wanted a phone case for my birthday and there was like, iPhones had just come out. So there wasn't really cute accessory phone cases. It was just kind of like the solid color protective ones. Like, it wasn't like thought of an

[Devin Carlson]

accessory, the otter box or whatever, just like, just to cover your phone.

[Sydney Carlson]

And our mom has always been very creative and crafty. She was making like the shorts with like the studs on them and putting like sewing fabric on them. Like, she's always just a very, like, diy. She was an art teacher. She just like crafts doing stuff like that. So she thought to get a clear phone case, put fabric in it and stud the outside of it like herself. And so she made a few of them and gave them to me and Devin. We went to school and our friends were like, what is that? We want that. So she made them for our friends. And so like our friend group had them at school and people were like, seeing them. And we would go the mall and people would stop us and be like, where did you get that phone case? Like, random people all the time. So the first day, my mom actually carried extras in her car because people would stop us that often. She would have been like, well, I have some if, you know, you want

[Devin Carlson]

to buy them off company or anything. We literally were just like.

[Sydney Carlson]

And it wasn't an idea to make it a company at all.

[Devin Carlson]

We just were like, oh, we'll tell our mom what type of fabric to buy and, like, what stud patterns. We literally didn't. There was no vision of growing it

[Sydney Carlson]

at all or having a company. That was no one's plan.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah. So then one day, she was keeping him on her, and we went out

[Sydney Carlson]

to dinner, the four of us, the

[Devin Carlson]

four of us family. And we got up to use the bathroom, and we were waiting in line, and Miley Cyrus walked out of the bathroom stall. And this was like, Miley's bun era.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, and I was the biggest Hannah Montana fan. Like, me too. Girls at school knew me as the girl who was obsessed with Hannah.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, yeah, my obsession obsessed. She walked out, and I was like, holy.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, they're like, wait.

[Devin Carlson]

And I was like, this is my in. I have to say something. And I was like, I know it's really annoying, but do you mind if we take a photo together? And so then we took a picture together, and I took it with the

[Sydney Carlson]

phone that had the phone case on it. And Miley was like, that phone case is so cute. Where's it from? And we were like, our mom made it. She was like, does she have a company? We're like, no. And she said, is your mom here? We were like, yeah. She's like, can I go meet her? And we were like, sure.

[Devin Carlson]

Didn't even go pee. Walk out of the bathroom.

[Sydney Carlson]

And we're, like, walking back to our table. Me, Devin, Miley, and our parents are

[Devin Carlson]

like, what are they doing?

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, what's.

[Devin Carlson]

There was, like, a girl we went to school with tweeting, like, yeah. She's like, like, what is going on? Like, I see the Carl.

[Sydney Carlson]

And we're like. Like, with, like, walking out of the bathroom, and we.

[Alex Cooper]

She.

[Sydney Carlson]

Miley taps our mom on the shoulder and is like, did you make these phone cases? Like, they're so cute. And we were like, yeah. And she was like, you guys should start a business. Like, this is really cool. This is really cool idea. You guys should, like, start a business. And my dad looked at her. My dad was a graphic designer for years. And so he looked at Miley and said, we'll have a Website in the morning. And we were like, yeah, we will.

[Devin Carlson]

And in the midst. What are you talking about? She got my Twitter handle. And so she ended up.

[Sydney Carlson]

We gave her all the cases off our phones, too. And the ones in the car. Yeah. We were like, take everything. What do you want? You could have everything. She went back to her table, took a photo of them, tweeted it, tagged

[Devin Carlson]

me in her tweet. Everyone started. And this was, like, 2012 Twitter. Like, no one. It was unheard of to get mentioned by, like, anyone, like, a celebrity or anything like that. And so.

[Sydney Carlson]

And all of our phones had died.

[Devin Carlson]

Yes. So we didn't even know.

[Sydney Carlson]

We're driving home, like, freaking out, waiting to get a phone charger. All of us plug our phones in. We're like.

[Devin Carlson]

And all the phones, like. And everyone from school is texting.

[Sydney Carlson]

Texting us, like, what's this tweet? My dad stays up all night that night.

[Alex Cooper]

I mean, when Miley Cyrus looks at you and is like, you need to have a company. And your dad's like, there will be in the morning.

[Devin Carlson]

So then we started tweeting, like, responding to people like, Wildflower cases, dot com. We had all the inventory. We had nothing. We ended up selling our house, and that funded all of Wildflower. And we moved into our grandma and grandpa's house, and we still ran all of Wildflower for the first five years inside of our house. And we would. I did all of the. Yeah, I quit my job first. I did.

[Sydney Carlson]

Our mom quit her job, and then our dad, when he did, we were like, okay, this is, like, real.

[Devin Carlson]

This is real. So we, like, I tried to go to college. I really was, like, kind of embarrassed about, like, it was weird because no one was starting companies. Like, it was me and Sydney. Kind of like, Sydney more so because she was, like, a freshman, and it was taking time away from hanging out with her friends.

[Sydney Carlson]

It was, like, weird.

[Devin Carlson]

It was weird to be doing a business. So it wasn't, like, as supported as it is now. So, yeah, I guess I could kind

[Alex Cooper]

of see that because they're like, what are you doing? And, like, it was a business. No one.

[Devin Carlson]

It was very, like, you're not going to college. And we were like.

[Sydney Carlson]

I had one friend in high school throughout all of this because they thought it was different and weird and, like, wasn't the normal.

[Devin Carlson]

It was a lot of just, like, making fun, like. Like, oh, little. Like, whatever. We would. I.

[Sydney Carlson]

And, like, posting on Instagram was like,

[Devin Carlson]

we were making fun of, I think,

[Alex Cooper]

people that are now beginning the TikTok phase of feeling embarrassed that if, like, kids find their TikTok right. It's like because people like, oh, it's embarrassing. And it's like, no, it's not.

[Sydney Carlson]

Why is it a very normal.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you guys ever talked to Miley about that, like, whole blow up and moment?

[Devin Carlson]

I did. Recent. Not like recently, but beginning of this year. One of our friends was working with her and I got the opportunity to, like, meet her and hang out with her.

[Sydney Carlson]

We actually saw her a lot. She was really great and really cool.

[Devin Carlson]

And I just kept being like, I owe so much to you. Like, you don't understand.

[Alex Cooper]

It's really cool to see how much you guys have grown and also how close you guys are still. It. It hasn't broken up the family?

[Devin Carlson]

No. If anything, it was like, our family depends on this. So if not everyone's not holding up their part of the bargain, like, then we're not gonna have a roof over our head. So it was like, literally, we had to work. I mean, I feel like now we're at a point where we've been able. We're lucky enough to build a team that, like, we genuinely trust and have been able to delegate enough stuff out. So now it's like, I feel like I'm actually starting to live my college years since I, like, worked through my real college.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

But I mean, I'm just so, like, endlessly happy and grateful and like, just.

[Sydney Carlson]

It's still very surreal. It's crazy.

[Alex Cooper]

Girls, we're gonna talk about your dating lives. Take your sip of alcohol. Here we go. I'm gonna go back and forth between both of you.

[Sydney Carlson]

Okay.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm gonna give you each the love and the attention that you deserve. Devin, we're starting with you. Okay. Are you currently dating anyone?

[Devin Carlson]

Yes.

[Alex Cooper]

How serious is it? Has he met your family? Tell us.

[Sydney Carlson]

Well, there.

[Devin Carlson]

There's like,

[Alex Cooper]

Blushing.

[Devin Carlson]

Oh, she's blushing. He. She doesn't know what to say.

[Alex Cooper]

Take your time. He's really.

[Devin Carlson]

He's also like,

[Alex Cooper]

Just share where you're comfortable, like, fun stuff.

[Devin Carlson]

Well, we. So obviously I was in a relationship for a very long time from a public relationship. And we had like the most mutual breakup ever. And we still are totally chill and friends and I. And supportive of each other and whatever and. But then I was like, holy fuck, I'm single for the first time in my entire life. Well, adult life, basically. And I just went on a wild journey that's, I feel like, lasted almost a year.

[Sydney Carlson]

Ish.

[Devin Carlson]

And so the guy I'm currently with was a Part of that early on and has just kind of been with me back and forth through that. But now we're exclusively seeing each other and he has made it through my craziest moments and still likes me for whatever reason.

[Alex Cooper]

Girls in class all around.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Thank you for sharing. Can you give us a little bit of an explanation? When you're talking about like a wild year? Just. Just a little bit of what you're talking.

[Devin Carlson]

I was just like, zero. Like I'll go on a date with anyone right now. Like, just really throwing myself out there and making up for lost time and having so much fun.

[Alex Cooper]

Good for you.

[Devin Carlson]

I kept being like nervous that no one, like, no one was gonna like, like me or hit on me. I. I was so insecure about it.

[Alex Cooper]

I get it. When you're in a long term relationship, first it's a little shocking to end that. Whether it was like a good breakup, bad breakup, it's like, I'm single. What does it even even mean? Like, how do I even act? What the do I do? And so you just went like a little wild and you had a great year.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, I just kept being like scared that people were think that I like thinking I was being crazy, but in my head I'm like, I have never, like done this. Like, there's no way that I'm being crazy.

[Alex Cooper]

Did you think she was being crazy? Yes.

[Sydney Carlson]

No, I thought she. I thought she was more crazy. At the end of your relationship.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Sydney Carlson]

Then out of it.

[Alex Cooper]

So you were happy she was out of it?

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah.

[Sydney Carlson]

It was like, honestly the best months ever. I was like, this is the most fun we've ever had. And it kind of was a little bit of the same feeling that like she had when I was in a relationship, but not as intense at all, but was just like, wow, we're really like, just free and hanging. And like our friend group was just like, it was just so like free.

[Alex Cooper]

Right. Do you think you're more of a relationship girl?

[Devin Carlson]

I think for being single? Yeah. From like the moments that I was single, I just kept finding myself like in real like, like situations.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you single?

[Sydney Carlson]

I'm single.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you more a relationship girl or single girl?

[Sydney Carlson]

Well, I don't know because, like, she's a. The type of relationship girl where she will get in multiple relationships very easily. I might be a relationship type of person, but I don't get into them very often at all.

[Alex Cooper]

Got it.

[Sydney Carlson]

Even in like high school, she had a different boyfriend every month. I think I had won maybe all four years. Like, I just, it Takes me a lot to get to that point to actually date someone.

[Alex Cooper]

Everyone's got their own thing. Like, I have friends, like, both.

[Sydney Carlson]

And that works for her.

[Alex Cooper]

Totally.

[Devin Carlson]

She's just so harsh. And it's like. But the thing is, the things that she says aren't, like, not true. Like, she'll. She would bring up things about, like, a guy I was seeing, and I was like. Like, I was. A guy was dropping me off at a hotel, and she was like, I thought it was your. Or she goes up to him and goes, I thought you were her Uber driver.

[Alex Cooper]

And I was like.

[Devin Carlson]

And he was like, hey. I was like, oh, I thought you were the Uber. I literally said. Then afterwards, I was like, oh, my God. I called him the Uber driver.

[Alex Cooper]

Was he, like, mortified?

[Sydney Carlson]

He needed it.

[Devin Carlson]

He needed to be humbled.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so you will call out shit about the guy she's seeing. Like, what?

[Devin Carlson]

She will literally be sitting on my couch and being like, make me a latte. Oh.

[Sydney Carlson]

And this guy, she was like, the other one. I was like, I want a smoothie. And he made me a smoothie, and he put chocolate chips in it.

[Alex Cooper]

Why do you do that? Just, like, test the, like, boundaries.

[Devin Carlson]

I just, like.

[Sydney Carlson]

It's very entertaining for me to watch all of this happen. So it's just like, I'm, like, watching TV and, like, can be a part of it.

[Alex Cooper]

How does it make you feel when she's doing this?

[Devin Carlson]

I just love when my sister interacts with any guy that I'm seeing at all, because I feel like it takes a lot for her to be herself around people.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. Right.

[Devin Carlson]

And that's why, like, the new guy that I've. That I'm with, the fact that she can, like, be her funny self around him, like, means more to me than, like, almost anything. But I just think I care a lot what my friends think. Like, if my friends don't like someone, I'm pretty. Like, when it comes to guys, I'm like, yo, they're done.

[Alex Cooper]

Then it's not.

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, it's not happening.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you gone on any dates recently?

[Sydney Carlson]

I have been on one date my whole life.

[Alex Cooper]

You and stuff. I know when she said that, she was like, I don't go on dates. Like, I'll see you at, like, hide. Or, like, I'll see you. And she's like. Or they come to my house.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Why do you think you're just, like, not dating?

[Sydney Carlson]

I.

[Alex Cooper]

How do you meet people?

[Devin Carlson]

I guess. I guess.

[Sydney Carlson]

I. I don't. I don't know.

[Devin Carlson]

I just.

[Sydney Carlson]

I have Never been interested in that type of dating. Like going on dates with new people. Everyone that I have gotten into a relationship with, I have been friends with and become really close with. And then I'm like, oh my God, we have feelings. We're dating.

[Alex Cooper]

Got it.

[Sydney Carlson]

I'm just not even that it's like hard or uncomfortable. I just don't care to.

[Devin Carlson]

I'm not that type of dater. I guess she went on one day and she was like group chatting us, like, who's gonna come meet up with us now? Like, because I was like instantly not

[Sydney Carlson]

into it and I knew I wasn't into it. I just, I guess that also I rarely find people that I feel like I could date. Seriously. I don't know. There's some people that I'm like, okay, I. There's something about this person that I could like, but that happens very rarely.

[Alex Cooper]

I think that's fair.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, how would you each describe each other's type?

[Devin Carlson]

Oh, I'm curious what you will say Sydney likes. Like, well, they have to be funny.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. Funnier than you.

[Devin Carlson]

Sydney has to find them funny.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Devin Carlson]

Which is like unique sense of humor. She kind of likes when they're like, I don't want to like offend anyone.

[Alex Cooper]

Go for it. What are you gonna say?

[Devin Carlson]

But does she likes, like. What's the nicest way to put it? I know, I don't know. Sydney likes interesting looking people. Like, they have to be unique looking. There's something like almost off about them. Or their style is very like, weird. Like the normal person would be like, they're weird. That's Sydney's type.

[Alex Cooper]

And what do you say back to that?

[Sydney Carlson]

I would agree. That's a funny way to describe it.

[Alex Cooper]

How would you describe it?

[Sydney Carlson]

I just like, I'm really attracted to men who are like very comfortable in themselves and who they are. And like, don't just give off that vibe. Like, they don't care what other people think of them and they will wear whatever they want, look however they want, and they're just like confident in that and who they are. I think it makes me very comfortable around them and be like, I could totally be myself, say whatever I want, wear whatever I want. And they would be like, that's cool.

[Alex Cooper]

Give me Devin's type.

[Sydney Carlson]

Honestly, you kind of all over the

[Devin Carlson]

place with the types.

[Alex Cooper]

Is it musicians all through.

[Devin Carlson]

Usually musicians. Always an attraction.

[Alex Cooper]

It is not my fault. Okay.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, it can be a musician.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Devin Carlson]

And that ranges in all areas.

[Sydney Carlson]

But as long as they're a musician, I think she's has some sort of attraction.

[Alex Cooper]

Is it because they sing to you?

[Devin Carlson]

No, I like I find. I just find like when Sunny said like when someone said so themselves like that to me is so attractive like when they just don't like they aren't trying to impress anyone it and I think that they're cool totally Like I just think that that's.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

Or I find them interesting but like the musician part I think dating wise my lifestyle just works well with someone who's like like our schedules usually work better when it's like we're constantly both traveling.

[Alex Cooper]

You're a backstage.

[Sydney Carlson]

That's backstage lifestyle.

[Devin Carlson]

Well we were dancers we music but it's just funny because I'm literally like I like the music that I like is never really like the guys that I right.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Devin Carlson]

We just did not talk about it,

[Sydney Carlson]

but I knew it was very.

[Devin Carlson]

But it was more so because my boyfriend and her boyfriend weren't like, didn't really mesh and he was like, they didn't ever want to be in the same place. So it not because anything had happened. It was more just like, no, no communication was the communication. So it was just constantly avoiding each other. And then I was like, obviously have to be loyal to the person that I was with and she felt the same. So then we were just kind of like coexisting and working together.

[Alex Cooper]

So when you guys would work, would you just like not talk?

[Devin Carlson]

I mean, we were so busy. There was not really any talking. I wouldn't like customer service. And she was packing and shipping every order. And so it was like literally just hours of me responding or answering phone calls and Sydney just like.

[Sydney Carlson]

But we wouldn't hang out outside of that.

[Alex Cooper]

And did your parents know what was going on?

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah, yeah, they weren't too fond of him either. I don't think anybody was. But I also think everyone has to have a relationship like that. It was like such an insane experience. But I'm so glad it happened. Like, I forever am like so grateful of that relationship. And I also was like, I think I met him when I was like 8, 18, 19. And it lasted until I was like 22. So it was like a lot of. I was young and I. That was kind of my first like big, intense relationship. And it just took everything out of me. And I had never been at something that intense. And I, I, I mean, I talk about it. It's not like something I hide at all. But he was a drug addict, and that was something that kind of developed over the years. And also something that, that I didn't know much about. Being so young, I didn't know what anything was or, like, what was bad, what wasn't. And also something that I didn't want to talk to my family about or my friends about. You know, how do you, like, tell your friends and family that that's what you're dealing with and going through? So, like, that kind of ate at me inside and took a lot of, like, everything out of me that just consumed me. Like, I bleached my hair. Classic when you're in, like, a terrible relationship and, like, my hair was falling out. I had, like, an eating disorder. I stopped talking to a lot of my friends, my family, like, talking. And I just, like, consumed it all in myself because it was so, like, I was trying to help him and be there for him, but also, like, he wasn't giving that to me. It was, like, the lowest lows I've ever had. But also when it was great, it felt, like, amazing. So, like, I held on to those moments, and it was just a lot. But, you know, our parents have been together since they went to prom together in high school.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, they were each other's first boyfriend and girlfriend, and they've. They're still together.

[Sydney Carlson]

They're like, so growing up, that was, like, my view of what love is. Like, you find that one and you do anything to make it work, which is amazing. And I'm so glad we have that and that they have that. But also, getting into a relationship like that, I'm like, I will fight for this. I will do anything to keep it, you know, no matter how much it hurts or whatever. Like, this is what love is. And I had to learn that's not the truth. You know, when it hurts you that bad, that's when you don't, you know, you say, this isn't right.

[Alex Cooper]

I thank you for sharing that, because I had something similar in high school that was, like, my first love. And I really think a lot of people will, will relate to, like, like, the good is, like, in moments, because it's so good, because you're contrasting the awfulness of those moments, and so you're, like, holding on to the good. And I think that, like, I mean, everyone knows once you're out of it, you're like, oh, I did distance myself from my friends and family. You can look back, but when you're in it, it's literally you're just trying.

[Sydney Carlson]

You're blinded, you're completely. I had no idea. And it honestly took a few years out of that to just get back to like, myself. I like, I didn't even think about dating or like, seeing other people. I was just like, okay, I need to get back to like, myself and like my friends and my family and like, focus on myself. And after that, like, that took a few years. I'm like, currently the best I've ever

[Devin Carlson]

been and like, Carlson clap.

[Sydney Carlson]

So content being alone. Almost too content where I'm like, I would rather stay home than go out at this point, but I'm. I probably could be in a relationship if I wanted to right now, but. But I'm very content now knowing.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you guys had conversations about like, we can never let this happen to each other again and like, lose each other in those moments?

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, I was pretty, like when she. When I. She called me and I was at breakfast with my boyfriend and she was

[Sydney Carlson]

like, he cheated on me.

[Devin Carlson]

He cheated on me. We just broke up and I dropped everything, didn't even finish my meal, and just immediately drove home. What's happening? Called I literally was like, oh my God, it's happening. Everyone's like, I know. And so I called our childhood best friend who basically was like Sydney's second older sister. I was like, they broke up. She's like, I'm on my way. So we all literally. I called everyone and we all got there as fast as we could. And then my best friend Nicole and I took Sydney to Disneyland the next day. And we kept being like. Cuz the friends that she had had at that time that she was like, closest with, I felt like, didn't ever like, tell her, like, get the out of there. Like a lot of the friends that wanted, she. It was like she didn't want to hear what we were saying necessarily. And I was like, we gotta show her what it's like to like, be treated right, have really good friends and healthy relationships. And so I was like welcoming Sydney in with open arms to anything we were doing. I was like always inviting my sister, even if she didn't come 20 times in a row. I was like, you're invited, you're invited, you're invited, you're invited. Until she like finally started. Started coming and having fun and then getting comfortable. And then she just like blossomed into the Sydney that we've known all along.

[Alex Cooper]

How did you find out he cheated the girl?

[Sydney Carlson]

Well, the last time, the girl. The girl DM me. And it was classic. He was classic. He was also a musician but was on tour and it happened somewhere and she like sent me photos in his shirt.

[Alex Cooper]

And I was like, that feeling when you find out and you're like, I don't even know what to do with myself right now.

[Sydney Carlson]

Oh my God, my stomach. I like all my anxiety, everything goes to my stomach. Which is why I think it made me like just not eat because that's immediately what I feel is in my stomach. And I was like, so lost because I didn't have close friends. I barely talked to my family. I felt like my world was like, like, oh my God, this can't end. Like, I have nothing. Thank God.

[Alex Cooper]

Thank God.

[Sydney Carlson]

I'm like, thank you for cheating on me. That was like the best thing you've

[Alex Cooper]

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[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, I have like 10 accounts. Of course I have, like.

[Sydney Carlson]

I'm like, how many do I have?

[Devin Carlson]

I have like this stalker account.

[Sydney Carlson]

You have your finster. You have your stock?

[Alex Cooper]

Of course.

[Devin Carlson]

Oh, I am psycho.

[Alex Cooper]

Wait, tell me. I love it.

[Devin Carlson]

Oh, she actually is.

[Alex Cooper]

I. I love that. Like, I love you even more now

[Devin Carlson]

because she's like, yeah, she's like, well, no, I. When my ex boyfriend used to go on tour when we got back, because we dated, we broke up.

[Sydney Carlson]

Up.

[Devin Carlson]

Then we got back together, and that was like the seven year.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

I, in the beginning, was a maniac. I don't know how he put up with me. I love it. I would create. I would go on and I would like, look up their tour or I had the tour manager, like, he forwarded me their tour schedule. And so I would go to every venue's Instagram page and like, watch every story of everyone that was there and then look at like, the girls, everyone, everyone's profile, that was their tagged photos, everything.

[Alex Cooper]

I actually really respect you for admitting it because I think there's no shame in stalking. Like, who gives a. It's too.

[Sydney Carlson]

Everyone does it.

[Devin Carlson]

Everyone say you don't.

[Sydney Carlson]

You're lying.

[Alex Cooper]

I know.

[Devin Carlson]

Well, every, like, even this guy that I had gone on a few dates with, he like, DM me. And it was the first time that I had gone and met up with someone over DM that I didn't previously know. But like. Like, he knew people that I knew and whatever. And so I was like, okay. And we had hung out and he's like, so we just gonna act like we haven't like, completely stalked each other.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that.

[Devin Carlson]

I was like, you're like, Attractive. Suddenly it was like he was bringing up things and I was bringing up things, and then I was like, suddenly I'm 20 times more comfortable with you. Yeah. It feels like I know you already. We were arguing by the end of the date, and I was just like, perfect.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, because it's also like. Let's just keep it real. I know who your ex girlfriend is already, and this is our first date. And I know who she is, where she. Where she works. Like, I like to just get it. I agree. Let's just get it out there.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Girls, we're about to play a game. We're like, okay, go under your seats. You have these two little cards. Basically, we're gonna play which sister do you not.

[Devin Carlson]

I was feeling under the chair. Like, where.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so we're playing which sister is more likely to.

[Sydney Carlson]

Okay.

[Alex Cooper]

And so don't show each other. But, like, basically, I'm gonna ask, and you'll hold up. Whichever. Whichever sister is more likely to. Okay, okay, okay. Which sister is more likely to be the favorite child? Wait, why?

[Devin Carlson]

Honestly, Sydney gets away with everything I always got in trouble for. It's. She's always 50 times crazier things. But I always get.

[Alex Cooper]

Get the youngest child.

[Sydney Carlson]

I think that's just the youngest thing.

[Alex Cooper]

Which sister is more likely to take something from the other sister's closet without asking? This is a great moment. You're both taking accountability well, because I just.

[Devin Carlson]

I want to avoid. The thing is, I'm like, if I ask, it's gonna start drama before the night goes out or whatever. I would rather postpone the drama and deal with it later so I can just. Just feel good. Wear the top that I want to wear.

[Sydney Carlson]

And then I think I could steal it and get away with it. I feel like you would.

[Alex Cooper]

Sneaky little ask.

[Devin Carlson]

No.

[Alex Cooper]

No.

[Sydney Carlson]

Maybe she hasn't even noticed.

[Alex Cooper]

You don't know. Okay. Which sister is more likely to post drunk on Instagram?

[Devin Carlson]

It used to be me, but I feel like it's still you.

[Alex Cooper]

What do you drunkenly post? You just not give a fuck. You're like, post.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, she'll just post.

[Alex Cooper]

She just does it.

[Devin Carlson]

I'll just think something so funny and be like, yeah, this is my bit for that. And then the next. And then you wake up morning. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, but then I'm like, it's too late. You can't. Yeah, right.

[Alex Cooper]

Because then they know you regret it,

[Devin Carlson]

and then you can't delete it.

[Alex Cooper]

Just leave it. Which sister is more likely to give better head.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, ourselves. We're, like, both ourselves. Like, hi for every answer.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that. I love that. Okay, great, you guys. Great head game. Which sister is more likely to. On the first date?

[Devin Carlson]

And he's like, like, I don't go on dates.

[Alex Cooper]

Remember, on the first hangout, like, that doesn't count.

[Sydney Carlson]

She goes on more dates.

[Alex Cooper]

More. Okay, there you go. There you go.

[Devin Carlson]

I have never on the first date.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that for you, Sydney. Get it in and get it it out. Okay, goodbye.

[Devin Carlson]

I don't go on dates.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, which sister is more likely to if they were ever to go on a reality show? Do you want to go on one? Yes.

[Devin Carlson]

She has been trying to get our family on a reality show since she was in high school for, like, a year.

[Sydney Carlson]

We're, like, talking to people about doing

[Alex Cooper]

the other show, but I would watch it. One viewer get canceled after one season. Which sister is more likely to text their ex when drunk? Love that for you. Are you.

[Devin Carlson]

I'll literally be just staring at it and be like, she won't even, like, tell anyone. She'll do it, like, and it'll just be, like, a random person. My random choosing of the night. I'll be, like, out of her. Like.

[Alex Cooper]

And everyone's like, devin, what are you doing, Devin?

[Devin Carlson]

And she's like, like, so, yeah, she,

[Sydney Carlson]

like, also, she doesn't get, like, scaries. Like, she will text her ex, do whatever, and then the next morning, she'll

[Alex Cooper]

be like, that last night was so fun.

[Devin Carlson]

And I'm like, what? Like, how do you do that? She doesn't get, like, anything. I love being.

[Sydney Carlson]

It's admirable.

[Alex Cooper]

Which sister is more likely to have a threesome? Have you had a threesome?

[Devin Carlson]

She won't call it that, but she

[Alex Cooper]

won't call it that because there was. There were four. Boom. Even better. Even better. I love that for you. Was it fun or was it. Oh, awkward.

[Sydney Carlson]

No, it was great.

[Alex Cooper]

Great.

[Sydney Carlson]

And it was. My friend was there.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh.

[Sydney Carlson]

So it was, like.

[Alex Cooper]

So it was totally fine. It was fun. Okay, good for you. Which sister is more likely to get kicked out of the club?

[Sydney Carlson]

Loki.

[Alex Cooper]

Devin, what the are you doing in the club?

[Devin Carlson]

Why are you crazy? I'm really clumsy, so I knock over things.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Sydney Carlson]

That's why.

[Devin Carlson]

That's why. It wouldn't be because I'm, like. It would be because I'm. I've had two drinks, and I, like, go, like, not trying to find Vegas. And we. I went with, like, some of my old dance friends, and we kept knocking over the champagne, and the guy picked up the bottle and he goes, you're done. And we were like, not even drinking.

[Sydney Carlson]

Just cuz she keeps knocking things.

[Alex Cooper]

But I feel like you guys are so connected. You'd be like, stoss, get me back in.

[Devin Carlson]

She'd be like, security is coming. Tell them you're with st.

[Alex Cooper]

It's so good. It's so good. Okay, which one? Oh, my God, this is a sad one. Which sister is more likely to get cheated on?

[Sydney Carlson]

We all know the answer to this.

[Devin Carlson]

I would never let that. I would literally go other.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, I would cheat before they could absolutely stop.

[Devin Carlson]

If I. If they. If I found out they were with someone, I'd be like, who? The.

[Sydney Carlson]

I'm honestly the face of being cheated on.

[Devin Carlson]

I mean, like, you're over it.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

You're done.

[Sydney Carlson]

You're like the glow up it gave me.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, you're. You're going to be fine.

[Sydney Carlson]

I stand by it.

[Alex Cooper]

You're stand. Okay. Which sister is more likely to cheat in a relationship? Do not say that.

[Sydney Carlson]

I honestly don't think either of us would.

[Alex Cooper]

Loyal, loyal, lovely girl dolls. Just so, so lovely. Okay. Yeah, no one's cheating here. We're just getting cheated on over here.

[Sydney Carlson]

Come on.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, which sister is more likely to slide in and DM a celebrity?

[Sydney Carlson]

I don't.

[Devin Carlson]

I don't think. No, I've never DM'd anyone.

[Alex Cooper]

I have one. Open your phone.

[Devin Carlson]

I literally, like.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, really?

[Devin Carlson]

You've never DM'd anyone? No, I've never gone out of my way to, like, DM someone that I don't.

[Sydney Carlson]

Whatever. I think it's funny. Funny sometimes. I haven't in a while.

[Devin Carlson]

Sydney does it all the time. Takes a screenshot. Unsens.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah, I do that to make her laugh. I'll DM someone funny and then unsend it.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. Which sister is more likely to be in an open relationship? None.

[Devin Carlson]

I think I'm too. I've literally had gone jealous. Yeah. I've gone through moments where I'm like, oh, I could totally. If I. I was like, constantly told that I was like, the best.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, I need a lot of reinforcement. So if she's like, not sure.

[Devin Carlson]

But I honestly, I don't think that it'd be fair to, like, the other girls or whatever.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah. You don't have to give us a tweet. You're like, the. The reason I'm gonna be the. I'm the best.

[Devin Carlson]

I'm down for, like, friends with benefits, where it's like, okay, you. I know that you're hooking up. But if we're dating, dating, I make you my boyfriend.

[Alex Cooper]

I agree also because if I make

[Sydney Carlson]

someone my boyfriend, I don't want to be dating other people. That's not my intention intentions. So why would we ever do ever?

[Alex Cooper]

I want to know both of you. Sydney, you can go first. What is the toxic that you like attract? And you're like, I hate it that I'm attracted. But we all like the toxic. And then how are you toxic in a relationship?

[Sydney Carlson]

I think the toxic I'm attracted to because this could also be someone who's non toxic. But it mainly is is like big personalities. Like people who are very much their own life, their own ways. Big personalities. I could get wrapped up in their life easily in a bad way.

[Alex Cooper]

Interesting.

[Sydney Carlson]

But it's like exciting and fun to do. But like it's obviously bad because I'm like separated from my own life so that I don't know how I'm toxic in relationships. Maybe because I like give too much of myself. Like toxic and like a bad way for myself.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh my God, you're like an angel. You're like, I am not. Cuz I'm like, I already don't miss jealous over here. Like just wait to get to me. But I hear what you're saying. You're like, oh, okay, let me go. Okay, so. But I get what you're saying. You just kind of give yourself too much. You like yourself.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, we're not letting that happen.

[Sydney Carlson]

But I'm not doing it anymore.

[Alex Cooper]

Nope.

[Sydney Carlson]

So don't get any ideas.

[Devin Carlson]

Sydney was actually the best like most thoughtful like girlfriend ever. Like, like, even for like I love shopping. I'm really good at shopping. I'll give you the best like most thoughtful gift but words. Sydney will write you a book and like make it so, so embarrassing.

[Alex Cooper]

No, it's cute. I think we should normalize like cute shit for relationships. Like, oh, you're a sis. Shut the fuck up. In love, please. Okay. Shut up, please.

[Devin Carlson]

We're in love, right?

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. What toxic are you attracting Devin and how are you toxic? I know we kind of heard about your fake account, but I think think

[Devin Carlson]

the toxic that I'm attracted to is like someone who's like good with their words or like knows is witty.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah.

[Devin Carlson]

I think that people like that just know how to get what they want. And I think that maybe I know how to get what I want.

[Sydney Carlson]

You do it right back.

[Alex Cooper]

I get that. No, that's like a scary combo where

[Devin Carlson]

you're both like the energy. So you are giving me something, then I'm gonna give it back. But like slightly more to the point of like, right. We're gonna drive each other absolutely insane.

[Alex Cooper]

Lastly, who has like a crazy dating story? Whether it was a one night stand, whether it was a bad hookup gone wrong, bad sex.

[Devin Carlson]

I have like a really, like, it should be a bad date, but it ended up up being a good day.

[Alex Cooper]

Share it, share it. We're here for it. We love story time.

[Devin Carlson]

I was in New York and it was the day after Valentine's Day. And we had been like, we had gone on a couple dates before, but it was like only whenever I was like visiting and he had just gone into town and he was like, okay, I'll pick you up and we'll go out to dinner. And then he texts me before and he's like, like, would you want to see a movie? And I was like, no, I'm hungry. Like I want to eat. And so he's like. I said, I'm pretty hungry. And he was like, okay, well I'm not gonna get there for like an hour. And it was like 8 o' clock at this point and Sydney was in a room under me at our hotel. So I kept going through the like staff stairs and I went into a room and was like, it's not going to be here for another hour. Just like, are you serious? I was like, I'm so hungry I want to lose it.

[Sydney Carlson]

She like sits on my bed.

[Devin Carlson]

So I was like in such a pissy mood. And so then I stopped answering him. And then he called me and he was like, I'm sorry, I'm running even later than I thought. Like, I don't think I'm going to get there till like 9:30. Red flags. I was like, he's like, do you just want to go see a movie? And I was like, I'm so hungry. I was like, I don't understand. Like, I'm so hungry and why I

[Sydney Carlson]

don't want to see.

[Devin Carlson]

So we're already arguing. And then I ended up hanging up and he's like, what are you gonna do? And I was like, well, I'm gonna eat. Like I'm. If you don't want to come out here. And I thought we were gonna go to dinner. I've been waiting to eat right then I'm gonna go eat. And he's like, where are you going? Whatever he like told me gave me a recommendation of a good place to go. And so I go there and he's like calling me. And I was like, decline Decline, decline, decline. Like, whatever. And he's like, okay, well, I'm at the restaurant that we were gonna meet at. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not. And he was like, do you want me to pick you up? And I was like, obviously, it's February in New York. I'm not walking.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Devin Carlson]

Granted, it was one block away.

[Alex Cooper]

Get in a car, bitch.

[Devin Carlson]

Me? I. I was like, it takes longer to drive. I was like, you know where I am. And so then he obviously pulled around, knew exactly where I was, came in, got me in the car. And he's like, I can't believe you just made me drive a block. I was like, I can't believe you were an hour and a half late. Yeah. And so we ended up going on this date, and I was just like, zero fucks at this point. He, like, parks. We walk in, we sit, we start eating, and we're just, like, roasting each other, going on and on, having so much fun. The bill comes. He's like, no, no.

[Alex Cooper]

Forgot his wallet.

[Sydney Carlson]

And I was like, he's the one I called.

[Devin Carlson]

Are you serious? And he starts dying laughing. And I just kept being like, I'm so excited to see how you make this up for me, because I'm like, I'm not gonna let this go. So I pay for dinner. And then he's like, okay, well, let me. I'll drive you home. Back to your one block away.

[Sydney Carlson]

Thank you.

[Devin Carlson]

And I'm like, sitting here, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm such a princess. We go outside, his car's towed.

[Alex Cooper]

No, no, no, no.

[Devin Carlson]

Gone, gone. The car is gone. And we just started looking at each other. We were dying laughing. And then. Did you give him a kiss and go home? You didn't even.

[Alex Cooper]

Did you catch him?

[Devin Carlson]

Yeah, we slept together.

[Sydney Carlson]

What do you mean?

[Alex Cooper]

What do you mean? Like, what are you talking about? We fully. I gave the best sex of his life, and I went and got his car, and I paid for the job. Oh. In the morning, I bought.

[Sydney Carlson]

I got his car back.

[Alex Cooper]

When a man does that, he's like, ooh, yourself.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, And I.

[Alex Cooper]

Him, obviously.

[Devin Carlson]

I was like, okay, this is what dating is.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, that's actually such a good story. You're right. Like, the ups and downs, the amount of times I can look back in my 20s, even my teens, of the time that you're trying to play it off cool, like. But you're waiting and you're waiting.

[Devin Carlson]

But it was. Honestly was. We had such a fun time. And in the morning, he, like, bought Me like a huge bouquet of flowers. It was beautiful. And then he dropped me off and then he. That's when my sister and she roasted him.

[Alex Cooper]

And that's when you said, I thought you were the Uber driver.

[Sydney Carlson]

Deserved.

[Alex Cooper]

Wait, why? What kind of car did you drive?

[Sydney Carlson]

It looks like, like the black Lincoln, like, Town car.

[Devin Carlson]

Like, it looks like.

[Alex Cooper]

Can I get in next?

[Sydney Carlson]

Kept going.

[Devin Carlson]

What? I was waving at her out of the front seat.

[Sydney Carlson]

Like, I was like, why? She's the front seat of the Uber.

[Alex Cooper]

Uber, dude. I love it. I also love how you roast kind of the guys that Kevin is because it puts them in their.

[Devin Carlson]

They deserve.

[Alex Cooper]

They're like, great.

[Devin Carlson]

I don't think I've ever dated, like a not great guy. Like, I. I don't really have any bad things to say about anyone that I've like.

[Alex Cooper]

Do you agree with that statement?

[Sydney Carlson]

Yeah, I don't think they're bad guys at all. They're just a little cringy sometimes.

[Alex Cooper]

And you pointed out.

[Sydney Carlson]

Yes.

[Devin Carlson]

And I'm like, guys, we love.

[Alex Cooper]

I love you guys. Thank you for coming on. Call her daddy for it.

[Devin Carlson]

Thank you for having.

[Alex Cooper]

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