Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress (FBF)

Summary

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Call Her Daddy — Episode Summary

Episode Title: Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress (FBF)
Date: July 12, 2026
Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Maria Georgas

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Episode Overview

In this lively and revealing episode, Alex Cooper welcomes Bachelor Nation favorite Maria Georgas for a candid conversation that’s equal parts hilarious and deeply honest. Maria opens up about her whirlwind experience on The Bachelor, addresses ongoing rumors, shares wild stories from her dating life (including that make-out with her ex's mistress), and for the first time, addresses why she turned down the role of Bachelorette. Together, Alex and Maria deliver empowering messages about confidence, self-awareness, and setting boundaries—all with their signature unfiltered humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Maria’s Bachelor Journey & Public Perception

[06:26–13:00]

• Maria describes her last-minute packing for The Bachelor, revealing she always had a gut feeling she’d be on the show one day.
• She discussed past connections to Bachelor Nation, including a friendship with Nick Viall, dispelling rumors of romantic involvement:

  "Nothing has ever happened between Nick and I. But, like, it's always been a friendship." —Maria [08:28]

• Alex and Maria address the “villain” narrative that followed Maria through the season. Maria clarifies she was wrongly accused and grateful the edit was ultimately fair:

  “If I’m going to do this, I’m going to do this... exactly who I am.” —Maria [11:19]

2. The “Age Drama” and Bachelor House Conflicts

[13:00–23:00]

• Maria details the infamous age conversation with Medina and how it was misconstrued, sparking a feud with Sydney.
• She reveals how being one of the "older" contestants (at 29) shaped her outlook, but she intended to keep the vibe positive.

  “I was trying to encourage myself too. Hearing her talk about that, you don’t think that struck a chord with me?” —Maria [17:57]

• Alex highlights how women online resonated with Maria's confidence, suggesting jealousy may have motivated some of the in-house behavior.

3. Owning Your Confidence—And Misconceptions

[23:00–26:00]

• Maria insists she wasn’t approaching the show thinking she “was that great”—she just wanted to be real:

  “When you say, like, it's weird to me even believing when someone's like, oh, someone's jealous of you. I don't look at things like that.” —Maria [23:27]

• Alex reframes this, pointing out that honesty and self-acceptance are, in fact, confidence in their own way.

4. Maria’s Wildest Relationship Story: Catching Her Boyfriend Cheating

[26:00–39:00]

• Maria recounts the gripping saga of discovering her boyfriend cheating:
  • Using her "Virgo FBI skills," she watched building security footage for proof.
  • She sees a woman arrive at his place at 3 a.m. while she was away.
  • Later, at her ex's party, she recognizes the mistress—and makes friends with her!
  • In a classic "Call Her Daddy" moment, Maria admits she made out with the mistress, wanting to cope and "see what he was dealing with."

    “I made out with her one night. But to this day, it was all jokes...I just did it for my own sanity. Again, Virgos—we’re fucked.” —Maria [38:03]

  • Maria and the other woman eventually become friends; she stresses she never blames "the other woman" since the boyfriend was responsible.

5. Bachelor, Jealousy, and Emotional Growth

[41:50–54:12]

• Maria talks about never introducing a boyfriend to her whole family before The Bachelor.
• She admits her relationship with Joey (the Bachelor) wasn’t “endgame,” and she used certain moments as an “excuse to leave.”
• Maria reflects on self-sabotage, pushing partners away, and now working to be more open and vulnerable.

  “I have to let them know, 100... It was a lot more than just crying over a guy. So many things accumulated into one...but it opened me up, and allowed me to see that it's okay to be vulnerable.” —Maria [53:16]

6. The Bachelorette Bombshell: Maria Was Offered (and Declined)

[54:17–66:00]

• Maria confirms, for the first time, she was officially offered the Bachelorette role but turned it down after much deliberation:

  “It was mine until I said it wasn’t...I had to decline. It became very overwhelming.” —Maria [56:45] “I was at the point of doing fittings—it was set in stone.” —Maria [57:21]

• She shares the process was emotionally taxing and isolating—she wasn’t in the right headspace and wanted to let someone else (Jen) have the opportunity.
• Tackles rumors about why she declined, refuting claims about production “demands,” and addresses ill-informed commentary from within Bachelor Nation.

7. Modern Dating, Red Flags, and Games

[66:00–79:30]

• Maria says she’s “so single” now and isn’t returning to the franchise for Paradise or other shows.
• She discusses wanting an “organic” love story—maybe even at a bookstore despite not being a reader.
• Reflects on green and red flags: Hates money-flexing guys, wants prompt texting (but not jobless guys), is open to sexting only when exclusive, hates passive toothbrush-leaving.
• The “Honesty Hour” trick: On early dates, she likes to trade unfiltered stories and get a sense of how men talk about their exes.

  “If their ex can describe them in any way, how would it be? I want to see how they talk about their ex, if it’s in a nice way.” —Maria [77:06]

• Alex joins in about vulnerability and attracting what you are, not what you pretend to be.

8. Life Post-Bachelor, Family, and Stagecoach

[79:31–81:28]

• Maria says she’s taking life step by step and isn’t rushing into more media or fame—she’s enjoying a return to normalcy.
• Fun family fact: Her dad runs a sprinkle (as in cake sprinkles) company, after running a chocolate factory.
• Maria is off to Stagecoach festival with close (Bachelor) friends Lauren and Allison Hollinger and admits to being a closet Nickelback fan.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 08:28 | "Nothing has ever happened between Nick and I. But, like, it's always been a friendship." —Maria | | 17:57 | "Hearing her talk about that, you don’t think that struck a chord with me? I was like, fucking...maybe...I am a year older than him, maybe that is weird." —Maria | | 23:27 | "When you say, like, it's weird to me even believing when someone's like, oh, someone's jealous of you. I don't look at things like that." —Maria | | 38:03 | "I made out with her one night. But to this day, it was all jokes...I just did it for my own sanity. Again, Virgos—we’re fucked." —Maria | | 56:45 | "It was mine until I said it wasn’t...I had to decline. It became very overwhelming." —Maria | | 77:06 | "If their ex can describe them in any way, how would it be? I want to see how they talk about their ex, if it’s in a nice way." —Maria |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Maria’s Bachelor Backstory: [06:26–13:00]
• Villain Narrative & Bachelor House Dynamics: [13:00–23:00]
• Confidence & Social Perceptions: [23:00–26:00]
• Infamous Cheating Story: [26:00–39:00]
• Bachelor Reflections, Relationships, & Emotional Growth: [41:50–54:12]
• Bachelorette Offer & Why Maria Declined: [54:17–66:00]
• Modern Dating and Red Flags Game: [66:00–79:30]
• Post-Show Life, Family, and Stagecoach Plans: [79:31–81:28]

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Tone & Language

Alex and Maria’s exchange is equal parts raucous, earnest, self-deprecating, and empowering. The vibe moves effortlessly between laugh-out-loud stories (snooping on cheating boyfriends, making out with “the other woman”) and genuine, honest self-reflection about personal growth, confidence, and setting boundaries. The tone is warm, irreverent, and always encouraging Daddy Gang listeners to own their truth—and to never settle, in love or in life.

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Summary by Call Her Daddy Podcast Summarizer — Your weekly fix for all the chaos, heart, and hilarity.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I am so excited to be here. I love you so. Okay. I love you.

[A]

I love you. I'm so excited. I. I can't believe we're finally doing this. First of all, this has been a long time coming, which we will tell the Daddy Gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when you went on the season of the Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite a quite literally just been waiting patiently for you to speak. And you are finally here.

[B]

Yes. So I definitely needed the time to just be on my own. But if I was going to speak, I was going to speak here with you today on Caller Daddy and I. It was a long time coming, but I'm here now and I'm ready.

[A]

Okay. I have so many questions, so let's just get into it.

[B]

Okay. Before you continue, this is really tight and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable.

[A]

Okay. Oh, my God.

[B]

Excuse me.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, I'm feeling so myself right now. You have no idea.

[A]

Wait, really?

[B]

Oh, my God. This is me to my core.

[A]

Okay, but every single outfit you slayed the season. Like, for anyone that didn't watch the season, Maria on the Bachelor. I don't know if I've ever seen someone come with, like, such good outfits, and I feel like I saw that all online. How did you even pack for this season?

[B]

Oh, my God, it was so last minute. You guys have no idea. So I. I always wanted to be on the show. I had dreams about it. I was like, I'm gonna be on the show one day. So I remember, like, I would always buy things in hopes. I swear to God, I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got, like, I was like, fully in the running. They're like, okay, you're, like, in it. But I was never getting a solid yes. I was, like, waiting, waiting, waiting. Three days prior they're like, pack your bags. You're coming. You need this, this, and this. I'm like, holy shit. I had three days to pack.

[A]

Why did you always wanna be on the Bachelor?

[B]

I love the show. Okay. I love the show. I was such a huge fan and I had friends on the show and they.

[A]

You hided?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, I feel like that's tea.

[B]

Well, I mean, I don't know how much I wanna say. I feel like there's been, you know, people have talked about it and I'm sure people. Yeah, I've had people that have been on the show that have always said that. Like, I see you on it, and. Yeah. And so I was like, I'm gonna apply.

[A]

So you've. Roman, are you insinuating you've, like, romantically dabbled with people on the show?

[B]

I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was, like. I don't know what you want to call it. Whatever you want to call it. It was just, like, a good thing going and. Yeah. And I just remember talking to him about it, and he was like, I can totally see, you know, what he said to me.

[A]

Actually, should I be asking you, like, who you're talking about?

[B]

No, you shouldn't. Do you want me to say that?

[A]

I think I have to ask.

[B]

Well, I mean, I think it's been fairly obvious, and I honestly, I'm so over the rumors and stuff like that. So. Nick obvious. Oh, fuck. But is this bad? Because he's, like, totally married.

[A]

No, I think that's. It's not. You're saying you're, like, in love with this person?

[B]

Yeah, nothing has ever happened between Nick and I. But, like, it's always been, like, a friendship.

[A]

Okay, but. But this. No, no, I think this is fine to say. Nick is one of the biggest people from the franchise, and the fact that, like, you had, like, a little thing with him back in the day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you never hooked up.

[B]

No.

[A]

You just had, like, a flirtatious banter, literally.

[B]

That is all. Like, he helped me through breakups. Like, he was a good friend to me at points, and it was great. But I remember. And I. And I never really understood it until actually being on the show. He. He had said to me, he's like, I can see you being the villain. He's like, you're gonna go on. You're gonna be the villain. And I was like, why? Why me? Like, I would never go with the intention of becoming a villain. I didn't go in there, try to piss people off. But I remember him saying he's like, people are gonna come after you no matter what. I can just see it. You're gonna be the villain. And it was just funny because after I finished filming, there was rumors about me being a villain. I'm like. But I wasn't. I know what happened.

[A]

Well, I feel like, just to sum it up again, for anyone that didn't watch, like, I feel, like, really hard to make you the villain. And then everyone in America watching it was like, no. Like, no, she's not the villain. Actually, like, these girls that are basically gaslighting Maria are the villains. Okay, let's go back to the beginning. I love how you were just, like, dropping bombs. Left. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I think that. I think it's fine to say the Nick Viall thing. I think he's, like, happily married now, and that's great.

[B]

Yeah. And I. And I just want everyone to know that, like, there's no animosity between. Between us. Like, I think we have always been friends, obviously, whatever. But, yeah, he's always been great to me. And, like, I respect his relationship. I respect where he is is now. I'm happy to see him grow. But, yeah, to say that we didn't have a past, that would be a lie. So, like, I just hate this. Like, it's been all over Reddit. I just want people to know that, like, it's nothing serious, but also, we respected each other along the way. And I'm happy where he's at now. I congratulate him.

[A]

Well, I was going to say, I also think the Internet is too smart nowadays where it's like, if you were connected to anyone in Bachelor Nation. Oh, there's a secret. Exactly. So I think it'd be, like, you'd be, like, remiss to not bring it up because then everyone would be like, you're a liar.

[B]

Right. And I have nothing to hide. Like, I go through life where I feel like I have. You want to ask me questions, I want to answer. No, really? Can you tell? I can tell.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm like, you know what? Like, at the end of the day, I'm like, I rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing. There's nothing to talk about there.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

So let's talk about your season. Okay. You are one of the most popular, I would say Bachelor contestants in the history of ever. And you just, like, brought this energy to it, this relatability. You were normal. I think people could be, like, see themselves being friends with you. You're a girl's girl. Like, it was great vibes. How did you feel about all this attention?

[B]

Oh, my God. First of all, thank you for saying that. Like, that meant a lot because I was actually talking this. Talking about this with my friends. Like, when I had first come back home, I had to sit my family down to let them know, like, what. What kind of, like, stupidity I went through in the house. I did not know how it was gonna, like, play out and, like, how people were gonna perceive me. Because in the house, I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things, and people are just, like, taking me the wrong way. And so I didn't know how things were going to play out. The fact that it was an honest edit, I can say and, like, showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, like, exactly who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego. Like, no, no. I'm going to. When my friends and family are going to watch, they're going to be like,

[A]

that's my Maria prior to this show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life?

[B]

The. And I talked about this on the show to Joey. I was like. The last thing I thought I was gonna have problems with were the girls. I thought I was gonna be like them. I thought the only problem I would have is if I like him or not or if we can really see each other, like, becoming something. Right. And so when that was my biggest concern in the house, I was like, oh, my God. I. Maybe that guy was right. Maybe. Maybe it's like, in. In. Wait, okay. You want to hear something? Actually, I actually have something to say.

[A]

Y.

[B]

Actually kind of up.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So Sydney. You know Sydney?

[A]

No.

[B]

So in the house.

[A]

Oh, the one that was the minutes. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So funny enough. No, Actually, side note, I don't know if you want to keep this in, but this actually kind of, like, concerned me at one point. So when it first started, like, airing, I remember someone sent me a photo of Nick and Sydney together. They were all friends because Sydney's friends with Ashley. I. And Nick's close with Ashley, and Ashley's close with Sydney, and they were all in a photo together. I'm like, was this planned? No, I'm not kidding. Besides all this right now? I'm like, straight shooter to you right now. Part of me was like, was this all planned? Because I was like. I did. I knew I was innocent. Like, I knew I was innocent. Hand to God. So when this all started happening, and then imagine dealing with that in the house and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with Nick. I was like, right.

[A]

Because Nick had told you there's something conspiring here. Okay. So you walk someone through that, maybe didn't watch the show. You're basically saying you're seeing Nick Viall, like, tell you you're gonna potentially be the villain.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Then you're seeing Nick Viall be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season.

[B]

Okay. Keep this in, because you know what? I'm not kidding. I Was. This is my exact thought process. I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close. Like, it was too close to home. I was like, this was said and now this and this. Because if there was a. If, guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say, okay, I deserve that, I would say I would not even begin to think about this. But I was so innocent to someone

[A]

that has no idea what the we're talking about and has not watched the season of the Bachelor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have these two specific women. I would say three. Three, okay. Three women that were, like, hell bent on crucifying you.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Can you give, like, a brief synopsis of, like, what they were trying to, like, basically kill you for?

[B]

Yeah. So there's a point in time where we see Medina. She was one of the older girls. I don't even like to say older. Here we go, the age thing. But she. She had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age and that she was losing time, and she thought, you know, it was Joey maybe might have not been giving her enough attention because of her age. And I stayed silent during that conversation. She kind of, like, addressed the room about it, and then. Why did I say and then? I don't know. So then we were outside and kind of. We have breaks, you know, throughout the day, but we're always being recorded. And I knew that. So despite having a break, I know, like, we're being recorded. But again, I was in the moment with my friend, and we were kind of, like, going through what was, like, said or during that moment. We were kind of just like. What's the word?

[A]

We're just, like, recapping what we're doing.

[B]

Recapping, thank you very much. That moment. And all I said to her was like, I don't get why Medina would say that. Because, like, I'm in her age group. And I'm just saying, like, she's. She's a beautiful woman. Like, literally so beautiful. Where I was like, I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age, why Joey's not giving her attention. I'm like, you're so beautiful. Own it. Like, you have so much going for you. You have. The age is the last thing you should worry about. But I wasn't saying that to Medina. I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night. And that's why I was like. I want to preface by saying, like, if Medina had come to me and said to me, maria, I feel insecure. My age. I know you're like one of the older girls in the house too. Like, this is how I feel. I would never say, own it. You're hot. Like, I would be like, no, let's talk about it. If this is how you feel, I'm here for you, you know? So obviously I was saying what I was saying to my friend behind closed doors, and I was being overheard by Sydney. And instead of a coming up to me to be like, hey, are you talking about Medina? Because she's my girl. Instead of, like, either coming up to me or talking to me one on one to be like, hey, I might have heard this, but I don't know it. She started this entire thing on something she might have heard.

[A]

So that's where it all kind of started, though. And I think, like, what we can acknowledge for women is, like, age is such a sensitive thing just because everyone makes us feel like, when you hit 30, it's like, oh, the. The clock is ticking. And so I empathize with what she was saying. And then I also agree with what you were saying of like, oh, my God, girl. Like, don't even worry. You're hot, you're beautiful, you're young. Like, 30 is young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

31 is young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

40 is young. Like, we have to, like, retrain our brains to look at, like, women and age in a complete different way. But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were almost villainized for, like, on this woman for her age. And that was not what you were saying.

[B]

Absolutely. And, like, everything you said was absolutely right. And for me, I'm like, I can get insecure about my age too, 100%. And I have felt insecure about it. But going into the Bachelor, knowing that there's that, you know, Sometimes they cast 23 year olds and stuff like that. I knew going into it where I was like, I probably am gonna be the oldest one in the house. So I was trying to think. Pause positively so that, like, I didn't get into that mindset. So I thought in ways, like, I was trying. In ways. When I was talking to my friend about it, I was trying to encourage myself too. Cause, like, hearing her talk about that, you don't think that struck a chord with me? I was like, fucking. Maybe like. Like, because I am a year older than him, maybe that is weird.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I started, like, thinking. I was like, no, no. Like, we're twist it. No, we're hot. We're Confident. Let's do this.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

And I was just having a talk with my girlfriend. I didn't think it was going to become a thing. I. I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room. Like, I would have been way more sensitive. Way more, like, you know.

[A]

Yeah, you were almost, like, debriefing something that clearly related because. How old is she?

[B]

She's 31.

[A]

Okay, she's 31. And how old are you?

[B]

29.

[A]

Okay. I'm 29.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Same age. So I get what you're saying is, like, you guys are the oldest in the house and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure that you were like, oh, my God. Like, should I be insecure? No, we're fudgeing. Beautiful. Let's go.

[B]

Let's just turn this into a positive right now.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

It's so. You know, in the house, you're so isolated and you. I can see why she was feeling those things, but I. I kind of wanted to, like. Because imagine if I just sat there and was like, yeah, we are. We should just, like, peace out right now as old fucks. Like, let's. Let's just get the fuck out of here. Mail it in. But I was trying to just, like, again, if she had come to me personally, the conversation would have been different. It was just in the moment with my friend, I was just like, yeah.

[A]

And so this kind of begins, this feud between you and this girl Sydney, where she, like, has it out for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's literally saying you're like the devil.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It was funny. I brought devil ears because I knew we were going to be filming during Halloween and I wore the devil ears, like, for a week straight. They cut that out. So maybe we don't talk about that, but, like, I loved it. I was like. Because they told me, they're like, yeah, you know, she sees you as a devil.

[A]

I'm like, amazing.

[B]

And in parts, I was like, wait, but what? Like, I was questioning myself.

[A]

Why do you think this girl had it out for you? Like you said, you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Like, your biggest concern was like, am I gonna even like Joey? Like, why even get along with him?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What do you think? If you had to pinpoint it, brought it on this season.

[B]

Yeah. So I on. Because now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman. And I. And I honestly can say that in that moment, she really truly thought she was going to bat for her friend. And, like, again, it's so weird to say, like, these girls become our best friends, but when you're in that environment, you become very close to people, and that's how it feels. Right? So I truly think that she was feeling she was going to bat for her friend. She was that ride or die friend. She wasn't gonna, like, let anything slide with the best intentions, just wrongly guided. I don't really know why, because I. Guys, when I tell you, you know, she had apologized to me there and then when we. I was like, listen, you overheard something, you took it out of context. It wasn't meant maliciously. Next time, you know, come to me. She's like, absolutely. Cheers. The next day, we had that group date where we were doing the talent show, and she hugged me before the group day. And she was like, maria, I just want to say again, I'm sorry for taking something out of context. It wasn't shown. We never even got to talk about this. And so I thought. I was like, wow, okay, you know what? And I said to her that day, I go, listen, I'm good to hug you. Hug it out. And, like, we're good. But just. You scare me a little bit because we were so good up until the point where you're starting with me, where I'm like, where is this coming from? So we hugged it out. We were good. Later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy. But again, because I know she is a good person deep down, I think that again, in this environment, it just brought out the worst.

[A]

Well, because I was going to say, like, I. I didn't know you guys were close now, which is.

[B]

We're not close, but we're good.

[A]

You're good?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Because I was gonna say, I thought I didn't know if you guys were, like, friends. And I'm like, that's kind of crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. Like, the. What we watched on tv, I was like, this girl is, like, losing her mind on national tv. And it's like everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start, like, going after you. And it felt very targeted. Yeah.

[B]

It got to points where she would acknowledge that, like, I can't even be in a room with Maria because I feel she's going to attack me. And there's been so many scenes of us in a room, and I'm like, leave me alone. What? So, like, I didn't Understand and to this day, like, you know her. And I didn't get to really talk about what exactly it was that made her say those things about me, because I could, like, even thinking about putting myself in her head. I could never say that about someone if I knew that it was so untrue.

[A]

Well, I think what was interesting, too, and I liked reading the Internet during your season because I thought that women had really, really interesting takes about you. Like, I remember watching and so many women were like, I feel like half of these girls in the house are having their first bi experience because everyone is falling in love with Maria. And everyone's like, do I like her more than Joey? I think there was also a lot of jealousy. Like, you exude confidence. You, like, walked in every room. You looked so fudgeing hot. You looked insane in your outfits. You have a great personality, and you just led with confidence. And I think in those environments, I can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just, like, no doubts or fears you're gonna be like you. I wish I was like that. And I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy, which sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think is sadly relatable. If you could go back, is there anything you would have handled differently in all the drama?

[B]

Well, I just want to say something first. So before going into the house, I had read something, and it was like some book, and it was called you're Just not that you're. There's what it was like, you're not that great or something like that. And then just like, no, no, but wait.

[A]

What a great book.

[B]

No, no, but you know what? The. The. The meaning behind it meant something to me. And it was just like, acknowledging the fact that you're not that great. And like, I never. No, wait. Just wait. I don't ever think of myself as, like. Like, when you say, like. Like, it's weird to me even believing when someone's like, oh, someone's jealous of you. Like, I don't look at things like that. Like, I went into this bachelor world being like, I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room. I'm not going to be the best dress. I'm not going to be the most, like, exciting to look at or be with. Like, I just said, I'm going to be myself. And if it works, it works. Like, I was so self aware going into it. So it's funny that, like, people see it as, like, confidence, and people see it as, like, oh, girls are jealous of you. It's like, I genuinely went in there being like, I'm going to be supportive of everyone around, but I'm not also not going to think I'm that great. Like, I love this now.

[A]

I love this message. Where are we going? I fucking suck. I'm a piece of shit.

[B]

But like, just acknowledging that, like, you know, like, just knowing who you are, like, I'm not. I'm not overly confident in that way where I'm like, I'm the shit. I've never thought that way about myself. I thought all the women were. Especially night one going into that house, I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me that I was like, I'm just going to be myself. Have fun. And then if it works, it works. And it did. And like, so when girls came after me and being like, oh, she. Like, people are seeing it as like, oh, you were so confident. That's why I'm like, oh, my God. I was like, I never once, I think I was the prettiest in the room. Never once did I think I was the best dress. That's why after it aired and hearing that, like, everyone loved my outfits and like, everyone thought I was so comfortable,

[A]

I was like, damn, I love everything you just said. And I truly believe, though, that's where it is, confidence, what you're talking about. And it's. I think it's enviable. And I think if anyone takes anything from this episode, it's that it's like you deciding, I can't be what I'm not. I'm gonna be myself.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I'm me. I look how I look, I act how I act. And like, I'm gonna present as I am. And if he likes it and they like it, great. If not, who gives a first? I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life because I think you. You came into this bachelor world and everyone was like, who is this firecracker? Like, who is this girl? And where did she came from? Who is Maria?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever been in love before?

[B]

I. Obviously. Okay, Okay. I had a couple boyfriends. I'm gonna say two.

[A]

Two boyfriends.

[B]

I'm gonna tell you exactly the number. Yeah, I. I don't have that much experience. I always like when I'm with someone. I feel loving feelings. But like, to, like, when you're out of it, you kind of think back and you're like, wait, was I even in love? I don't know. I don't think so. Because I want to believe when I am. I know it's going to be my person kind of thing. I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with.

[A]

Yep. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that. No, I think. I think that answers it. I think you would know if you had been in love, right?

[B]

You would think.

[A]

You would know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Trust me.

[B]

That's what I'm thinking.

[A]

You would know. Okay, what has been your longest relationship?

[B]

Oh, bet you're gonna call me right out. Literally, my. My first boyfriend was like eight months, but I lived with him for three, so it felt like a fucking century. But what? Okay, maybe. No, I don't know. Okay, listen, I have never had anything long term. I'm. I'm a problem.

[A]

No, no, I'm the problem. Wait, you live with him for three months towards the end of the eight months, and then. Is that what ended it?

[B]

The beginning? You be.

[A]

Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[B]

It's been so long ago. It was like seven years ago, bitch.

[A]

You dated a guy for eight months. You lived with him for three. But how did you start living together then? Stay together but not live together? Walk me through this.

[B]

Okay, hold on. Okay, let me think. It was so long ago, guys. It was like seven years ago. We dated and hit it off right away. And he was living alone, I was living with my family, and he was like, I want to be with you all the time, so come sleep at my house. And then it turned into me ended up moving. Like, ending up moving in with him. Does that make sense?

[A]

And then how did you move out?

[B]

He cheated on me. We. What do you think? Cheated on me.

[A]

Wait, but make this make sense.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Eight months, dating. First three months you're living together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He then cheats, you stay.

[B]

No, no, no, no. Cheating happens towards the end, honey.

[A]

Okay, okay. So then why did you move out?

[B]

It was just because he cheated on me.

[A]

Okay, okay, you got your timeline mixed up. You said you lived together in the first three months. Huh?

[B]

Okay, wait, maybe you're not math. Let me backtrack.

[A]

Eight months together.

[B]

Eight months together living with him. Okay, so not. I didn't live with him right away. You're right. Okay, you caught me.

[A]

I know more in your life than you know. Okay, so he cheats. How did you find out he cheated?

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Tell me everything.

[B]

Oh, my God. I. I'm a Virgo. Do you know what Virgos are like?

[A]

No, tell me more.

[B]

I'm an FBI agent. Oh, like without being an FBI. FBI agent. Yeah. So basically so, because I was living with him right at the time. Anyways, so he was in New York with his family. I'll never forget this. This is actually kind of fucked up, but it's okay. You know what? Him and I, we laugh about this. Cause he found. He's like, I hope you know. I know I knew what you did the entire time we talked about it. Listen, it's better to just laugh it off now. But it wasn't a laughing moment at the time. But we can laugh about it now. Anyway, so he was in New York with his dad, and then he was like, yeah, so I was staying at his place. Stupid idiot. Anyways, so I'm with. I have all my friends over. And I remember I was in L. A and then Vegas for a wedding. I did, like, a week trip. And he was so. Oh, my God, Nick plays into this because he hated Nick, and Nick hated him. Fuck that guy now. Because he cheated on me. But it's fine. So let me get back on track. Hold on. Okay. So I. So I had gone on that trip, and he was already questioning me being on that trip. Being like, you're going there to see him, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, bitch, I'm going to a fucking wedding. Like, what is your issue? And we're spending a couple more nights in L. A. Afternoon after Vegas. I lied. We went to Vegas first, and then we did the wedding in la. Okay, there it is. It's. Come on. Seven years I haven't talked about this shit.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

And so he was already upset with the whole trip. I get back, we're good. He goes to New York, I stay at his place, and I invite my friends over. I had this weird feeling because the last couple nights in la, he was kind of, like, quiet. Like, wasn't really speaking to me. I'm like, bitch, you're my boyfriend. Where the. Where the fuck. Anyways, no, not like that. I'm very sweet, but I get what you're saying.

[A]

When a boyfriend is quiet, you know what?

[B]

That, like, you're checking in on me, and then all of a sudden, you're quiet for the next couple days.

[A]

What's going on?

[B]

What the hell's going on? So I remember being like, okay. So I know I kept that in my notes. I was like, okay. So this time. This time, he was kind of weird. Sketch. So I get to his place. I'm saying, he leaves. I go to the front desk. This is actually kind of smart. Girls, pay attention. So I go to the front desk. I'm like, oh, my God. I left for my trip, but I. As I was waiting for my Uber or whatever, I was waiting. I don't know what I said. I'm like, I left my purse on the couch. So right outside of his place, there's a, like a communal area and there was a couch. And I was like, I left my purse there and I can't find my purse. I'm like, I need you to. Like, I was sitting here between this time and this time. And I told him the times where I felt like he was being off. So he. So the poor front desk man. And by the way, man, I never outed you. Even though. When you knew. I knew what. He knew what I was doing in that moment. I'll explain. But I never outed him. Never to my ex. But now I'm outing you. But it's okay. You're probably not even working there anymore. So. So I, I told him. I'm like, from this time, this time, I remember I was sitting there, blah, blah. I don't know where this purse went. And it's like, expensive purse. I need to know where it is. So he's go. He turns the screen to me and he's going through the times. And I. And I told my. He's so He's a little. It's fine. I told him between. I think I said, from 11pm till 3am I'm like, I don't know if you have to check to see if my purse was there and if someone took it. So he's showing me, okay. And I had my girlfriend there. I'll never forget. She fucking screwed it up. I was like, game face. I was like, show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse. All of a sudden, guys, I kid you not. 3:20. I remember the time. 3. It was like something. 3:00am 3:20. Don't say that. I remember the time. It's kind of weird, but it's fine. A fucking bitch shows up to his door. No, three something AM and then I'm going like this. This is me. I'm like this. I keep my mouth shut. My friend goes. And then he. So now the front desk guy sees that there's another girl that ain't me showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasps, like, outing me, he turns the camera. He's like, I can't be doing this. I'm sorry. I was like. I was like, no, no, no, no, don't. Don't worry. And he, in that moment knew that I. That he knew that What I was trying to do. And. And he knew that now. He outed my boyfriend for having a girl show up at his place at 3am While I was gone. But in that moment, I went, no. No way. And so it gets worse. So I kept my mouth shut.

[A]

You didn't say anything?

[B]

No, of course I.

[A]

Poor front desk man.

[B]

No, I. I never outed him until this day. I'm so sorry, sir, but to this day. Never outed him. Never outed him. I go back in. You know, actually, it's kind of fun. I went for a walk, I played some music. I pretend I was like in a music video. Like, sad, cried. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I did some like, weird shit. But then I went back. And then, so days later, he comes back, we're good. He throws a party. Okay, okay, guys, listen to this. It gets fucked. So he throws a party. Oh, my God. Poor guy. He's probably going to watch this and be like, listen, at the end of the day, don't cheat on your girlfriend. Because one day she's going to live to tell a tale. She's gonna live to tell the tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend. Anyways, so he throws a party. Family, friends. And remember, I saw that. I saw her. Oh, you're gonna. You're gonna wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her, so I. I knew how she looked. He throws a party. Fans, family and friends. At his restaurant. He's selling a restaurant. Oops. Cut that out, because that'll be very obvious. Okay, who. Let's be real. I only had one ex and everyone knows. Okay, it's fine. But cut it out. Maybe. I don't know. Keep it in. Do whatever you want. So. So he throws a party. Family and friends. There's a separate table of, like, randoms. I don't know who shows up. She does. But I keep myself. I keep my mouth shut. I see him go over to her, hug or kiss her. So I go, perfect, that's my in. So he comes back. I'm like, who. Who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek? Like. Like, who's that? It's like, oh, she's just a friend. Like, I was just saying hi. I'm like, okay, that was a little, like. It's a little much to say hi to a friend, right? So I'm watching her, watching her. So later on that night, I was like, it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm so out. Like, the fact that he's now bringing this girl around me.

[A]

That's the most up part.

[B]

Casually wait.

[A]

And how long had you waited to, like, how long is this between? You see. A week. You saw the video footage?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now you're at the party.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was gonna like, like, do it. But I was out.

[A]

No, but that's like. That's mentally to put your mistress in the same room with your girl.

[B]

Come on. She have more tea?

[A]

Oh, my God. It just keeps flowing.

[B]

Oh. So basically because when he was showing me the cameras, I saw a bunch of guys go in, first all his friends, and then she showed up like hours later at like 3am but they were like, I didn't see the friends leave. So I was in my head, I was like, okay, maybe this might not be what I think it is. And like, he's already thinking, I'm seeing Nick. And now. So there was so many things where I was like, okay, I can't overthink. Because if you're looking at it just based on, like, what you like how it looks, I want to know proof. But anyways. Right, but cut that out. No, make him look bad. It's fine.

[A]

No, no, but I get. But, okay, but I was in my

[B]

head, I was kind of like, may, maybe not.

[A]

You're rationalizing, which I was rationalizing. You were telling him, I'm not cheating on you with Nick. I'm not seeing Nick. I'm literally going to a wedding. But he's like, I know you have a past with him, blah, blah, blah. Then he starts acting sketchy, and in your mind you're like, is he making this decision because he thinks I was being shady with Nick when I wasn't. And then all of a sudden, you see her at 3am and then your brain rationalizes, even though you goddamn know well what he was doing showing up

[B]

at 3m by herself. Maybe she's there for the after party.

[A]

Oh, you know what the after party was, right? Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, His.

[A]

His pee pee.

[B]

His pee pee in her punani. Yeah, 100. Anyways, so I saw her there. And again, I didn't say anything, whatever. And then we got back to the house and I'm like, who's that girl? And he. He just kept me like, she was a friend. She's a friend. I'm like, so then why. And I. And I laid all out there. I was like, why did she show up at your house at this time, this date, in a red dress? I was, like, saying it all, and he. To this day. To this day will it say nothing ever happened but. Want to hear some funny?

[A]

Please.

[B]

So, as a Virgo, right? Yeah, we're very thorough. So I need to get to the nitty gritty. I need to know. I was never going to get my answer from him, you know? So I. Okay, so I. I dance. Okay. I take heel classes, and I do all that. So I met a girlfriend there, and she was going out one night, and she texted me. She's like, come meet me. I go, who you out with? She sends me a photo. She's with that girl.

[A]

No.

[B]

So I go, perfect. Oh, just wait. So I'm like, perfect, I'm gonna meet this girl. But again, I wasn't gonna go meet her with the intentions to be confrontational. I was just going to see who this girl is. I want to meet you. I want to look you dead in the eyes. You know me. I don't know you. You don't know that I know you, but I know you. Anyways, we hit it off. Love her. Oh, love her. Sweetest girl ever. So nice.

[A]

That makes it so much worse.

[B]

You're like, yeah, she was great.

[A]

And did she know you were dating him?

[B]

Well, I mean, do you have an Instagram? It was very fairly obvious. Like, there was no excuse us on her end. But at the end of the day, I'll never blame the girl, ever. He owed something to me.

[A]

And you never know what they say in the moment, like, oh, we're on a break.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, she is.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Oh. To this day, I am not upset with her.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Actually, I'm great friends with her.

[A]

Oh. So do you know what I mean? Like, I always think about, like, women are like, oh, my God, my husband cheated. And this woman. And I'm like, I swear to God, when a man takes off his pants and he's hard and he's staring at a woman and. And the woman's like, wait, don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend? They're like, she just got run over by bus. She's dead. She. We buried her last week.

[B]

She beats me.

[A]

Where?

[B]

She beats me.

[A]

It's the whole thing. They will say whatever. When they look down and they look up, they're like, whatever I can do to get inside. So we can't blame the women.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

So. So dancing.

[B]

So we're friends. We become friends at night, and then to the point where, like, we're, like, hanging out and we're us three. Where I even. Okay, this actually psychotic.

[A]

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. It's. Call her daddy. Nothing. Is that crazy?

[B]

Okay, so I, I. One night we were all out and I was a little drunk and I'm like, I need to see if this girl's a good kisser. Only because I was like, I want to see.

[A]

I'm obsessed with you.

[B]

I was like, no, I want to know what the fuck she has that I don't. That like, this all happened. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, like, we were totally. It was all jokes, whatever. It's fine. I love women. I love men. I love men more. But it's fine. It's fine. I just did it for my own sanity again. Virgos were fucked.

[A]

You wanted to understand what you were missing, right?

[B]

I wanted to know what he was dealing with, if I had anything. Like, I don't know. I don't know what the hell. I just did it because I need to do it. She knows all this now.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[B]

So then, so then, so we became friends. Like, really good friends. Like, we're all good, whatever. And one night she calls me. Okay, guys, listen to this. And mind you, I had broken up with him. I said what I said to him. He denied it. He's know now that I'm like, having a friendship with this girl, okay? She calls me. She's like, maria, I need to see you. I'm like, yeah, come over. She comes over, she starts to cry. She's like, I have to be honest about something. She's like, maria, I love you. Like, you're such a good person. Like, I just like, I feel like I need to be honest about something. I go, let me stop you right there. I knew this entire time, it was like a whole. Like, this could be a movie. This could be a movie, and I

[A]

could be the whole episode.

[B]

Oh, my God. I know, right? Anyways, no, just long. Long story short, I just basically said to her, I'm like, listen, like, I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. Like, at the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect me and, like, not do that shit. To.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, back to Joey.

[A]

Back to Joey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Joey the Bachelor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you had never brought a guy home in your life? Is this real?

[B]

That became. Okay, here's the thing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think we were. It's like the semantics of it. It's like, yes, have men met my dad and like, my, like, my parents. Yes, my ex met my parents. But have I ever brought them into my home where my, like, my family met? Like, no. Yeah, but like, have they met my parents and the people that matter? Yeah, sure. Did I introduce my brothers? No. Like, like the entire family? No, but my parents, yes. And like, my friends. Absolutely. Always. But, like, the idea of just like, it was just, Just. Yeah, I didn't bring them home, but it doesn't mean that they weren't like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Acquainted with my parents and like, people that matter to me. It just like, it was the idea of just like, it's the first guy that I'm going to introduce to everyone all at once.

[A]

Got it?

[B]

Make sense?

[A]

Yes, completely.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world?

[B]

It would have been great as friends. Like, we were so, like, funny together where we like, like the same movies, like, had the same banter, but. And we obviously like to like, we liked each other, but I don't. I, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I think him and Kelsey makes such a good match because he was always one to always kind of need reassurance. Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say because that's what he was very vocal about on the season. And I think that, like, Kelsey's the kind of woman that gives it to him, but, like, also is very confident and gets it too, from him. Like, I don't know. They work so perfectly together. I don't know how to explain it, but I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked. I don't know if I could have given him what. Exactly what he wanted all the time. And so I don't know. But I. I think that we were great friends.

[A]

Yeah. What's something that a guy could do that would immediately give you the ick.

[B]

Oof. Dance. Oh, I don't. You know, here's the thing. I don't mind. Okay. You know. You know, have you ever seen those guys who, like, start breaking out into dance, but they're so bad, but they think they're so good?

[A]

When are they breaking out into dance? Like, give me.

[B]

God, that's a problem. They do.

[A]

No, wait. Like, where.

[B]

Anywhere there's a tune. I don't know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like, but here's the thing. This is where. Where the difference lies. Okay. When they're dancing but being silly and, like, just owning that they're bad, but there's some that are so bad, but they think they're good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's where I get the.

[A]

The full ick.

[B]

That's where I'm like, oh, my God, you're not it.

[A]

No, that's. That makes sense.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What's the craziest thing an ex has ever done to you?

[B]

Date 32 Women at the same time. Sorry, Bachelor.

[A]

Wait, I thought you. Oh my God. I didn't, I didn't get that at first. I was like, yeah, this happened more

[B]

than once in my life. No, just the bachelor.

[A]

I literally did. Okay. Oh my God. Yeah. Can we talk about that? How did you deal with the jealousy?

[B]

Okay, so here's the thing. And I'm gonna be very, very honest with you in that moment. Oh, should I say it? Should I say it?

[A]

You should always say whatever comes to your brain.

[B]

Sweetie, I'm on a roll tonight.

[A]

It's one o' clock in the afternoon.

[B]

I'm gonna be honest about something. I know tonight, whatever today. So I'm gonna be honest with something. So Jen and I. Okay, Jen and I. So Jen kissed him on the group date.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I went up to her because I just like, you know when you're very self aware, like you know your place and things. And I just knew Joey and I were never going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100. Like we had that connection. I just didn't think I was going to be end game and he was going to be end game for me. And so I told Jen that day that I was going to use that as an excuse to leave Joey.

[A]

Use what? That she kissed him. That's.

[B]

This is t. This is t. We.

[A]

Walk me through what you're talking about.

[B]

So there's a scene where Jen kisses Joey and that's where I'm like, jen, kiss Joey. I am disgusted. But I, I, you know, I was very close to her and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it wasn't. It had nothing to do with him. Joey is great. Like, Joey is actually such a catch. And that's why I'm so happy. Like, I think finding happiness was like knowing that he's happy with someone that loves him so much. And that I was, I'm so happy for him. I just knew it was never going to be me. And so I was like, I need a way out. And so I use Jen kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave.

[A]

Okay. Can I say what I'm getting from that? As I think that now with reality television, there's in a beautiful way, there's so much more that people understand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That these environments are so heightened and there's. You're in this bubble and you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel on the outside world or maybe you are feeling feelings, but they're crazy heightened. Because of. And so I can imagine that the moment you started to realize, like, maybe I'm actually not endgame, and maybe we're better as friends, and maybe there's still doubts in your head if you're right or wrong. Then you see him the next day and you're like, oh, but he's so cute. And, like. And then there's also.

[B]

And when he fights for you to stay, you're kind of like, okay, shit. Maybe I'm like, misguided. I am. I need to be in this. And that's kind of how I felt during hometowns. I was like, he fought for me so hard. Whether they showed the entirety of that, and that's fair. But in that moment, he did fight for me to stay. And so when it came to hometowns, I'm like, okay, I'm dropping my walls. I'm giving this my all. But, like, that moment in Jasper when I was trying to leave, it was. It was a little bit of a. I was just trying to give him a way out.

[A]

Because I'm gonna be honest, now that you're saying it, it makes more sense, because, again, to context, if people didn't watch that episode, you're sitting on the couch with him, you're basically saying, like, I can't do this anymore. I am jealous. I'm seeing you kiss other women. Like, I can't handle it.

[B]

I knew what I signed up for.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think you could tell, though, there was something else going on because you were being kind of sporadic of, like, you're walking back and forth. You're like, I can't do this, Joey. And you could tell, like, that wasn't the real reason. And you could tell he was so

[B]

confused that you could tell that I could tell that I'm also speculating. And I was like, guys.

[A]

But I feel like that's what my job is to do, is just, like, read people sitting across from me, and

[B]

I need to do a really good job.

[A]

Thank you. But on tv, I was immediately like, this is not. This is not the whole story. So you knew kind of in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought.

[B]

Yeah, you diff. You didn't. You didn't.

[A]

And then we get to hometowns, and then that was kind of.

[B]

Because I was like. I don't want to say I was, like, forced to believe, but I. I mean, you want to believe someone's Actions and, like, how hard he fought for me that night where I was like, okay, you know what? I need to get my head in the game. Like, I do feel good. Great things about him. I think he's great and I am in it, but I didn't know where he was at. And there was, like, there was some sort of disconnect. But when he fought for me so hard, I was like, okay, this is, like, something that could be real. And Maria, like, stop this up. Yeah. And so at hometowns where I fully dropped my walls, and then I got sent home, and I was like, okay, okay, this is why I protect myself. Yeah. So I'm like. And that's what I've kind of learned. Like, I've become accustomed to, like, being disappointed by men. And this has nothing, nothing to do with Joey. I don't. When I talk like this, it has nothing to do with Joey because he was just doing his part in the show and, like, he had more stronger feelings for other women, and that's fine. But I just feel like when I turn to, like, protecting myself, where I'm, like, almost self sabotaging, I feel like it's like, self protection.

[A]

Got it. Because aside from Joey, have you ever been in a situation where you told someone you love them and they didn't say it back?

[B]

More like, they come on strong in the beginning, and, like, they're like, all in. And I push them away. And then when it gets to the point where they're like, I can't. Okay. You know, you keep pushing me away. I'm actually gonna go. And then when they actually go, I'm like, wait, I didn't mean that. I was just joking. Get your ass over here. And they're like, I don't know if I can. Like, they don't believe me anymore. And I, I. But then in the end, like I said, I. Something happens where I'm like, there's a reason why I was pushing them away in the beginning, right? Because I. They. They do something where I'm like, they weren't even. I don't know if I even believe them to begin with. But there's been times where, like, they come on strong. It's like we're never there at the same time. I'll say that.

[A]

I think that's a. Naturally, you will get to a point

[B]

where I believe that it's gonna happen at the same time where I'm not gonna do that.

[A]

But you're. What you're doing, Maria, is you're testing them to see in Your brain, you think pushing them away. Yeah, I'll see if they stay. If they say. But what you're gonna eventually stop doing, because that's not healthy, is you'll realize, oh, you're pushing them away. And they're like, okay, I'll leave. Like, you can only push so much someone away to the point where they're like, okay, you're. And imagine if you just didn't.

[B]

Oh, I had an epiphany recently. I'm not joking. Like, a whole. Like, I'm like a whole different person when now, like, when I'm gonna open up to someone. And, like, I feel it initially. And that. That initial attraction to me is so hard to come by. Like, I don't just have it for anyone, but when I do, I'm not playing those games. Like, I've learned now the hard way. And so for me, I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time, where I realized that this is what I want.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, has happened in the past, but I grow from it every time.

[A]

Totally. But I will say, because I want to make sure, you know, like, I'm not judging you. Like, literally until Matt, like, that is. That was my game. I would be like, oh, my God. I'm gonna make sure he really likes me by giving. Never giving him anything. They go so hard. And it definitely doesn't mean your ego. You're like, oh, my God. Like, I know.

[B]

So hard. I'm like, holy. Like, you love coming.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Yeah, but it's not good.

[A]

And then when they turn around, you're like. Like, we get back here. Yeah. What are you doing? And it's like, you have been literally destroying me for the past couple months. Yeah, I've been trying everything. I sent you flowers. I'm so sweet. I take you to dinners, and you give me nothing. And now when I leave, now you want me. Yeah, you.

[B]

Yeah. It's a very immature, you know, like, I. I'm done with that song and dance. Like, I'm really over it. And so I think it needed to happen for the last time for me to be like, okay, wake your up, because you are capable of so much. And, like, I know what I bring to the.

[A]

The.

[B]

To the table and, like, what I can offer someone. So doing that kind of game is just. It's not cutting it anymore. And I don't. I don't even want to do that anymore because it. It hurts me to hurt someone. Else.

[A]

Well, I think what was positive to see is, like, I feel like we, like, watched you grow on the Bachelor.

[B]

Oh, absolutely.

[A]

When you were like, maybe I do have to let my walls down. Like, yes. Because Joey kept being like, do you like me?

[B]

I know.

[A]

Hello. And you're like, I don't know, like, we'll see tomorrow. And it was like. It was so classic what you're describing. And I think it's so relatable because I think it's like this want to not be vulnerable, and you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them. But for you to actually know if you guys like each other, you have to be vulnerable in the first place. So you can't be, like, walls up the whole time. And I think that, like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. Like, I feel like you left the Bachelor in a better position for your love life because you're like, I now know what I'm going to move forward and what I'm going to do when I meet someone that I'm actually attracted to. I'm not gonna make them think I hate them.

[B]

I know. I know. I have to let them know I know. 100. And, like, being on the Bachelor, it showed my friends and family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was probably the hardest thing, watching it back was having my friends and family see how much I cried, because I don't cry. I. That's just not my thing. I am not that girl. And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy. Like. But it was. It was a lot more than just crying over a guy. It was like I was being. I felt like I was at war at times where it was like, just so many things accumulated into one where I was like, okay, I'm. I'm so drained. But I did it. It opened me up, and it allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out. And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should know how you feel, because that's the only way you guys are going to move forward. And I. I totally get it now.

[A]

Everything you're saying, I think led to this perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Obvious next step, which is. We need to talk about the Bachelorette.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Because we watch you almost as like, your character arc is like, you come in and you're like, your walls are up and you're kind of falling for this guy. But you don't know if you can because you don't if he likes you and then you let him in and then you get heartbroken. But you learn so much and like we're all rooting for you. I feel like America was rooting for you. And America was absolutely devastated when you were not announced as the Bachelorette.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you offered the role as Bachelorette?

[B]

Foreign.

[A]

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[B]

Obviously I have been trying my hardest to say silent about this but I think that moving forward and if I'm going to be in this world like I have to be honest, especially with the people who have seen supported me and the answer is yes. Yeah, I was offered the role. I mean it was mine until I said it wasn't. And yeah, it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline.

[A]

So thank you for sharing yeah. How far along were you in the process of, like, becoming the Bachelorette until you pulled out?

[B]

Yeah, Well, I. To the point where I was doing fittings, like, it was set in stone. I was in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Again, like, you know, bringing up Jen and all of this, like, I. You know, she was one of my closest girls in the house, and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this. And when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position and everyone wanted this for me, I kind of took a second. I'm like, why am I not happy? Why am I not excited about this? And it took me, like, realizing that it's just not my time where I was like, guys, respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back. I was not in the red. Right. Right. Headspace for this, especially knowing that, like, because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show. Right. So having a bunch of guys do the exact same thing, and they're there for me. I didn't want to waste anyone's time. And honestly, like, yeah, it was. It was hard for me to kind of jump right back into it, honestly.

[A]

I mean, I think I can be honest. Like, yeah, you were about to come on the show, and we were gonna announce you as a Bachelorette.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What, like, a month ago?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And that I remember I was gonna have you on. On, like, a Monday, and on, like, Sunday, I get the call, like, Maria went back to Toronto.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What were those, like, next few days, like, once you turned it down?

[B]

Yeah, no, I. The one thing about having such a great, like, production behind you, and, like, my producers were so supportive of me and, like, just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything, you know, like, everyone was so excited, and I know what this season could have been like, and it. It would have been great. I just was not ready. And, you know, coming back home, I just. When I say that I just wanted to come back home, back to reality, and just take time off from all of this. Like, I meant it. And I think people saw that and recognized that I wasn't posting as much. And, like, I was not speaking on things because as much as, like, I wanted my time off, but I also wanted Jen to have her moment. And, like, she is the most perfect Bachelorette in my eyes if, like, I couldn't think of anyone better to do this. And she was so ready for it, and that was enough for me to kind of say, yeah, this is. It's not my time. It was it was a hard time because everyone, again, everyone was so wanting this for me. But I. Yeah, I just. I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off.

[A]

To be honest, when you saw how devastated America was, like, how did it make you feel?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, a part of me, obviously, was so grateful. And, like, I. Like, when people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and, like, love me off, I'm like, I'm in awe of you. Like, I don't deserve this. I'm just so appreciative of it. And, like, that was one thing that kind of kept me going in this. In this process, because I was like, I want to do this for them, you know? Like, I want to do this for the people that love and support me. But in my head, I'm like, that's not doing it for the right reasons.

[A]

Okay, but when you say you. It wasn't your time and you weren't ready.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're saying you weren't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why? Like, I need to understand a little bit more, like, why. Why did you turn it down?

[B]

Well, okay. Like, I. What people saw on the. On their screens was only the half of what I kind of went through in the house. Like. Yes. Did I have time off before it aired? Yes. But again, everything was so. Like, I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. And I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me kind of having, like, more control over things. But again, like, it's so isolating being in there, and I would have to give up my phone again. My freedom, like, not my freedom, but, you know, like, having to be alone in that. And I don't. I just wasn't. I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't just mentally prepared for it.

[A]

I think that's. I appreciate you sharing that, because, again, I think it's like, so many of the women from this season would have been amazing. Bachelor.

[B]

Yeah. And Jen, though, is the perfect pick.

[A]

She's gonna question. She's gonna be great. And you would have been great, and it would have been completely different seasons, but I appreciate you saying. And I think. I wish. I think what you're doing, more people should take note of. I was like, you're not running for the clout and the fame. Like, there was an obvious answer of, like, you would be on TV for another how many episodes, and everyone would see your face, and you'd be on posters and billboards, and you prioritize that. You're like, I Literally am so anxious and I don't feel good. And I'm gonna prioritize that over getting my bag to the right.

[B]

100, 100. Like, that never interests me. Interested me to begin with, going on the show. And I wasn't ready to milk my 15 minutes. Like, I. When I. Like, I remember Wells, he's. He was like. I don't know. He did the bartending on. Yeah. So he went out on a podcast, and he was saying that I had all these expectations, that I had all these, I don't know, whatever the requirements and thank you asks. Yes. And that one was, I wanted my phone the entire time, and I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, Like, Like, I wanted so badly to shut that down, but again, I just didn't think it was my time or my place. But, like. And he was like, oh, everyone's gonna forget about her and Daisy. Like. Like, this is the. This is gonna be their biggest regret. Forget about me. Like, I am so at the end of the day, I have to do what's best for me. And if that's what, like, it's. It was so disheartening to hear someone who knows this process knows what they put us through. Like, not what they put us through, but, like, knows, like, how, like, intense it is. Like, you have to be fully committed. Like, knows, like, how mentally draining and, like, physically draining this could be to, like, say something like that.

[A]

It's like, literally, shut the up.

[B]

Like, you don't know me. You don't know me. And, like, I'm a very respectful person. So that. That went so against my character, and I want so badly to speak up on that because it's so not true. Like, everyone knows you get your phone taken away and that's it.

[A]

It.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, it's also, just, like, so tacky. It's like, he's been in this franchise for so long, right? It's like, did you ask Maria if that. Those were her requests?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Did you hear it through the grapevine? Because if those weren't your telephone, right? Like, don't speak on shit that you don't know about. And also, not to be a dick, but it seems like I'm sure Wells would have loved to be the bachelor back.

[B]

And that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. But here's the thing. You know, it's kind of, like, contradicting for you to say I'm going to be forgotten because I'm not bachelor. But then where do you stand? You were never bachelor, right? So are you forgotten? Well, I don't know you, so you're forgotten. In my head. But like, no, that's kind of mean. Don't say that. I'm sorry, Wells. Come make me a drink, babe. But at the end of the day, I'm just saying, like, I would never say that about someone else.

[A]

No, it's a great.

[B]

I support whatever anyone else wants to do if they. If they're. At the end of the day. What I wanted people to understand why I took my break was like, they would say, okay, you know, it was fairly obvious everyone wanted me as bachelorette, that obviously I was gonna be asked. I think that was.

[A]

Yeah, obvious.

[B]

Yeah. So if I didn't do it, there had to be a reason. It had to be because of me and because I had to take a step back. So for him to say it was because of this and the other thing, like, Wells. Wells. That's all I gotta say. I just didn't like it. I was like, I, like, just talk to me and you know what? Ask me. And I would tell you, you know, this isn't that. But, like, I'm not a dis. I don't disrespect. Especially the team that was there for me, who was. Who were leaving their families for me to, like, be there by my side. Like, I respect them so freaking much. And it broke my heart because I knew how badly everyone, again, everyone wanted it.

[A]

No, I agree with you on the Wells thing. I think it's just, like, a dumb comment made by someone who, like, clearly would have. He's speaking from what he would have done. And we're like, we know Wells. You would have loved to be bachelor back in the day. But I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant. So, like, why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't?

[B]

Why can't we all grow in different ways? Totally. We have other things that we would like to do. And if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't. Don't talk negative about. About it. Like, it's okay. This, this, this. I understand. I was on a reality show, but it was real life to me too. Like, I. If I want to go back home and just go back to me, I am able to do that. And I wanted to do it, and I did it.

[A]

Done. Okay, now that we're not going to see you on the show, we're not going to get to see you date 32 men?

[B]

No.

[A]

What is going on in your dating life? Are you single?

[B]

I'm so single.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm so single.

[A]

Are we gonna see you in Bachelor in Paradise?

[B]

No. Paradise. No. Paradise. No.

[A]

Okay. So how are you approaching your dating life right now?

[B]

You know, I just want to meet someone organically. Is that the word? Yeah, like, old school. You know, I just want someone to, like, come up to me while I'm grocery shopping or at a bookstore. Even though I don't read. I'll just be there one day. Like, I just want to meet someone the way, like, I don't know, back in the day. No social media. I know my DMs are open.

[A]

Tell me.

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

Who have you gotten DMs from? Shut the fuck up. Shut up. Look at that. You. I can already tell when you're lying to me. Your jaw just does. No one.

[B]

No, I swear.

[A]

Who's in there?

[B]

You. Are you hooking me up?

[A]

Who's in there?

[B]

Do you want to look at my DMs? Give me my phone.

[A]

Have you not gotten a celebrity DM yet?

[B]

From who? Who? Who? Tell me who.

[A]

Who has messaged you? From who?

[B]

Who stands?

[A]

You. I'm married. I know.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Who have you gotten DMs from? Come on.

[B]

Like, just Bachelor Nation.

[A]

Oh, give us one. Come on.

[B]

No, one. The. The. The Golden Bachelorette.

[A]

What? I think you say the Golden Bachelor. I'm like, no, no, no.

[B]

The Golden Bachelorettes. Like, people who support me.

[A]

You know what, man?

[B]

It has been. No, none. Can you hook me up?

[A]

No.

[B]

Evan Peters, if you're watching this, I saw you at Coachella and I did not like that, but I'm open.

[A]

Wait, the guy that played Dahmer?

[B]

Yeah. He don't say that. He was in so many other things. Sorry. You're gonna let people know that I'm interested in Dahmer? Not Dahmer.

[A]

Are you into, like, Kinky like that in the bedroom?

[B]

No, no. Horror. Right. So he's like, the horror icon of our generation.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[B]

So hot.

[A]

Okay, so no guys in your DMs,

[B]

except for bad guys in my DMs, maybe. But I don't want that, though.

[A]

You want to meet someone at Stagecoach this weekend. You're dancing in the moonlight. Post Mod Alone is singing. You're like, oh. And then someone grabs your arm.

[B]

Is he gonna grab my arm?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Wait a second.

[B]

What?

[A]

Are you that flexible?

[B]

I could be. No, I could be. Guys, I'm flexible. Take Note.

[A]

Are you doing splits on the Pee Pee?

[B]

I could be. Hey, why not? Wait, do you backflip on that?

[A]

Do you use your dance moves in the bedroom?

[B]

No.

[A]

No. Just your flexibility.

[B]

Just my flexibility. Yes. Yeah. I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear that? DMS are open. I'm joking. I don't want dms. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding. I.

[A]

Who would you answer in your dms? Except for Dahmer. Who else?

[B]

Not Dahmer, man. Evan Peters.

[A]

Sorry. Evan. Peter.

[B]

Sorry. Oh, my God. Okay. Who would I. I don't know. Someone who's sweet, kind, ready for a relationship. No games. I don't know. Who do you think I should answer?

[A]

I need to think about that. I'm trying to think if Matt has any friends so we can keep it in the family.

[B]

I like. I don't like a guy. Like, I used to think I wanted a guy with, like, a big, big, big personality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, but we're gonna clash.

[A]

No, they need to shut the up and let's be the stars.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I learned that soon. I was like, okay. When I started really reading on my Leo chart, I was like, oh, I can't.

[B]

Leo.

[A]

Leo.

[B]

Full. I'm rising, Leo.

[A]

Yeah, there we go.

[B]

What are you rising? What?

[A]

I think there could be a Virgo in there or. I'm just saying that to make you excited.

[B]

Wait, so. So, what's your boyfriend? Husband. He's. Hubby.

[A]

He's an Aries freeze. And it works perfectly. It works perfectly because it does.

[B]

Fire. And fire.

[A]

Yeah, it's great. But he's like. He's great. He's. I just run the house, and then he's great.

[B]

Well, he's great because he got you.

[A]

Because he's, like, dominant. But not in the way that, like, I actually have the last word, but

[B]

that's what I'm saying.

[A]

He's a man.

[B]

I want. I want a man, but who lets me have.

[A]

You're, like, have your independence and, like, don't be terrified of your success. And, like, when you're in a room, he's like, go do your thing, babe.

[B]

Yes. Because they know at the end of the day you're gonna make them feel like the biggest man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In that room. Yes.

[A]

Yes. Okay. We're gonna play a game. Since you're now dating, I'm gonna give you a scenario. Okay, well, you're dating. Well, you're. You're trying to. Okay. I'm gonna give you a scenario. That could happen. Okay.

[B]

What? Sorry. I'm Like, I'm not trying that hard.

[A]

Okay, I'm gonna give you a scenario. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That could happen on a first couple dates with someone, and you're gonna tell me what you would do.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

He subtly flexes how much money he makes.

[B]

Oh. I pay the bill and leave. Make it feel low. Take his balls and come right off. Take your money and go impress some other bitch.

[A]

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[B]

What?

[A]

No, I love it. No, I love it.

[B]

This is great.

[A]

Is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's flexing about their money?

[B]

No, never. Absolutely never. And you know what the richest people know? Not to say that I know all the richest people, but they know. They don't flaunt it that way. And the people that do don't actually have it. I like a guy who's modest. Modest?

[A]

Modest, no. Well, not his money. Like, I want you to spend money, right?

[B]

No, but I mean, like, I don't need him to talk about it. Like, who are you trying to impress?

[A]

Like, it's almost like you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like, oh, my God, Like, I can't wait to take you to Paris this summer. We have to go. And you're immediately like, huh? Like, what airline are we flying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You got this.

[A]

Like. Like, it's through the contextual clues. You know he's healthy.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not by him, like, flexing on you, and you're like, you definitely don't have that much. If you're talking about how much money you have, you don't have that much money.

[B]

I. I have no interest in hearing it. It. So 100.

[A]

Okay. He texts back way too fast, like, every single time.

[B]

Oh, no. Yeah. I don't play games like that. When I see the text, I answer,

[A]

no, Maria, hold on.

[B]

I'm not kidding. Answer that text fast or else. No, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it.

[A]

Hold on. What if it's like, literally every single time you press Enter, he's already typing,

[B]

oh, type, type, type. Why? Why not?

[A]

He's that eager?

[B]

I mean, he's there. I mean, that, to me, shows you're not playing games. Like, if you. Here's the thing.

[A]

But he doesn't have a job. Like, okay, no, no, no.

[B]

Like a five minute pause. Okay, but here, let me say, if you see the text and you answer, I like it. I don't need. Like, obviously, yes, the man should have a job and he shouldn't be seeing his phone right away. But I mean, for the most part, like. Yeah, like, when you see it, I don't. I don't find it hot. You waiting hours to respond.

[A]

Yes. We don't need two business days go by, and then it's like, sorry, but

[B]

if you're busy, do your thing.

[A]

Okay. He's very into sexting, where we are

[B]

in the relationship, like, a couple months. So we're dating. Yeah. And we're exclusive.

[A]

Oh, I don't know.

[B]

I'm only gonna sexy if we're exclusive.

[A]

Okay, good to know. Really? Weirdly, I feel like I look back at the dates and I'm like, I feel like I was sexting when I was, like, getting towards exclusive.

[B]

Oh, no, I need to be exclusive with you because I, I, I have fun sexing.

[A]

You do have fun sexting. See, I felt like it was, like, exhausting if, if.

[B]

Because usually the guys that I talk to aren't from Toronto, and so it's long distance. So sexting is what keeps us close. Ah.

[A]

Not FaceTime sex.

[B]

Oh. I mean, that's all the above.

[A]

Okay, so you're. You don't mind a little sexed?

[B]

Yeah, but not all the time at all. Like, you want to just, like, you want it to be, like, special and sporadic and, like, keep it exciting, but yeah.

[A]

Okay. He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you, but never says anything about it.

[B]

I threw it out. What the Is this here? I wouldn't even notice if you'd throw it out and be like, what the.

[A]

That's.

[B]

But no, no, honestly, I would be like, well, first of all, why don't you have a place? And why aren't I leaving mine at yours?

[A]

And also, you know, what if I find as I'm asking you this question quite strange, like, like, how'd the toothbrush get there? Like, I know what the.

[B]

He put in his pocket.

[A]

He's like, no, no.

[B]

That would be a little weird because

[A]

probably if you're not like, you probably were at dinner or you're at the bar. Yeah. So when this backfire, keeping it in the back pocket, like, poking out the whole time.

[B]

Yeah. No, I would be, like, a little grossed out. I'd be like, I don't know if it's ever happened, but I'll let you know when it does.

[A]

Yeah. Unless he has, like, veneers and he, like, is like, oh, my God, my teeth will stain if I don't get this white wine off or red wine off them. Like, I don't know, travel.

[B]

That's a Turn off. He travels with a tooth because his veneers. No, no, no. His mom's like, no, I, I, I, that's a no.

[A]

Okay, so we're not appreciating if a guy leaves a toothbrush. You're just, you're just.

[B]

I, I don't think I would think too much. I, I, I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just like slipping it in there. But I, I think if he did slip it in there without a conversation, I would be like, what the.

[A]

Have you ever hooked up with a guy that when you went to his house and his bathroom, there was another one? Yeah. Or there's, it's like fully stocked, ready to go for like a woman?

[B]

No, but that, Right.

[A]

Weird. I've been there before. I've been there before and I'm like,

[B]

like, what are you, a sexer on the go? Not a sexer on the go. Like, what are you? Like a fucking fucker on the go? The fucker on the go. Like, he's ready, he's equipped.

[A]

I mean that, the baby wipes.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

He's got like the makeup wipes.

[B]

Okay, you know what? Stop this.

[A]

No, this is what I will say if a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl. If it's a one night stand, I'm like, thank you, thank you. That I can take my makeup off. I can like put my tampon. Imagine if he's tampons. But, well, I think, amazing.

[B]

But that's a whole.

[A]

You're seeing him in a way, way that you like him. I would be like, no, this. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. You want to hear a story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I was seeing this guy, this is before the show, and I went to his house and he had a, his and her sink. And his. He had moved out and he moved to this new place. I'll never forget this. So he had his and her sink. And then I walk into the bathroom and there's his sink. It's all his. And then there's this random toothbrush in the her sink. So I go, what the is that? He's like, oh, it's mine. I, I use, I swear to God, this is this excuse. I almost want to puke. He's like, oh, no, it's mine. I, I use two separate toothbrushes. One that's a little bit hard. Bristles, Bristles, whatever the. And one that's softer. I go like, I don't know. Do I look like I'm stupid? Okay, don't Answer that. But I. Don't fuck with me right now. He went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it. And I went, you just did the most and you're embarrassing. So goodbye.

[A]

It's actually like, regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth, both are awful, right? Both are.

[B]

Why was it on that side? Why wasn't on your.

[A]

Just put them in the same ugly

[B]

ass, stupid, messy side.

[A]

Put both of your toothbrushes in the same car.

[B]

You're in the same area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Liar. Okay. He vents to you about his ex on one of the first few dates.

[B]

You know what? I like this. I like to do this thing where I. I call it Honesty Hour. It's actually a hidden thing that I like. I get every guy with it to be honest. Girls take notes. So I like to hang out with guys casually, very casual. Let them know, we're like, we're friends. We're gonna, like, see where this goes kind of thing. Let's have a bottle of wine and let's ask each other anything. And like, let's not judge each other on this. So I usually ask that. I'll say, what are. If your ex can describe you in any way, how would it be? Because I like to know. I want to see how they're gonna a talk about their ex, if it's gonna be in a nice way. But also I wanna know what they would think that their ex would say about them.

[A]

Them.

[B]

So just like, kind of opening that up and like, letting them know it's a comfortable setting to, like, talk about that. But if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking, I'd be like, girl. Girl. I would call them girl. No, but I'd be like, listen, I think you need to send her a text and say you're sorry because you're still hung up on it. I'm not interested.

[A]

Yeah, time for me to go.

[B]

But I don't know. I would. I wouldn't want to know.

[A]

Okay, wait. Honesty Hour. I'm kind of loving it. Yeah, this is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy. Okay, this is my.

[B]

It's still not being. They're still not being honest.

[A]

This is my problem. Every fucking time I think that girls always want to fudgeing know about a guy's past. I'm like, when I met Mad, I was like, tell me every single ex you have. Show me their Instagram. Who are they? Then some of them, I was like, oh, my God. Like, whoa, you dated her? Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he never asks in return.

[B]

Oh, my God. Because they don't want to know. But I like that, though, so much. They don't want to know. A guy was like, show me. Show me me. I know there. There's. You're right.

[A]

Let me make you jealous. Like, ask.

[B]

They want to know, and then they don't ask. I. I can see why they wouldn't want to know, because I. In my mind, this. The way my thought process would be is they like me so much, they. They can imagine me with anyone else.

[A]

I believe that. And I. No, not at all.

[B]

It's not. Right. But then there's also the. The other guy who would be like, no, show me every single one. And he's, like, weirdly, like, obsessive and like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wants to, like, take ownership of you and wants to know. Like, I. I like the guy who would be like, you know what? I don't even want to see it.

[A]

No, I love the guy that does that. I remember Matt did that to me on the date. I was like, so do you. Are you gonna.

[B]

I know I could show you. This guy sends me.

[A]

It breaks such confidence, but. Such confidence. But sometimes I'm like, let me make jealous.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Jealous. Okay. Second question is when you ask them, oh, what would your exes say about you? What do you think, Maria, if I ask you, what would all of your exes say about you?

[B]

Oof. I don't like this turning on me. I think they would say that I'm honest, that I'm loyal, and I can be a little nuts at times.

[A]

I love the honesty.

[B]

What a shocker, right? Nuts, Me? I don't think so.

[A]

Self aware. Self aware. So you're not doing the Bachelorette. Where are we gonna see you? Like, we've got to see you more often.

[B]

I would love to be seen more often. Often. No, actually, you know what? I'm not kidding you when I say this. Like, I'm. I'm taking it step by step. Like this. Like, you. I want to be on this podcast. This was my first step. And now what I'm going to do moving forward, I don't know. Yeah, I really don't know. And so to give an answer, but I'm sure people will see more of me.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's a great answer. Like, I can imagine. Like, this is very overwhelming, right? Like, you had a pretty normal life before all this. Does your dad really make sprinkles Sprinkles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's kind of cool.

[B]

I know. And every time I say sprinkles, they're like sprinklers. I'm like, no, no, guys. The shapes and sugars you see on baked goods. But people don't get it, but someone has to do it.

[A]

Do you like sprinkles?

[B]

I, you know, my dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles, and I wasn't a big chocolate eater. I know. I'm not like a dessert girl. I'm not like, he did like, chocolate covered almonds, everything. And so, but as for sprinkles. Yeah, I mean, do I usually put sprinkles on things? Yes. I'm gonna say yes because I own a sprinkle company. But listen, we, Everyone, you need it,

[A]

we need it, we need it, we need it.

[B]

And someone's gotta do it.

[A]

So you're going to stage. What, are you gonna do it? Who are you going to Stagecoach with?

[B]

The sisters from my show, Iconic Girls Love. They are the best.

[A]

You told me you were going with your sisters and I was like, who? You have sisters?

[B]

Well, they are like my sisters now.

[A]

Who are you going with? What are the names?

[B]

Lauren and Allison Hollinger.

[A]

Okay. And Sal, do you love country music?

[B]

I, I, I, Oh, I'm, I, I like country music, but am I the biggest fan?

[A]

No. You're kind of like a Nickelback girl.

[B]

I love Nickelback.

[A]

I knew it.

[B]

I cannot wait to see Nickelback photographs. No, I literally love Nickelback. And I don't get why they have such a bad rap rep. Because, I don't know, it makes us. It's like, me. Why do I have such a bad rep? I don't get it either. I, I, Nickelback.

[A]

I'm with you, but not after this episode. I feel like we really kind of covered it all. We didn't cover anything. I feel like we need to, like, we need to do 19 more of these to actually get. I would love to. I had so much fun with you today. I think you're even better in person. You're so fun to be around. You have insane stories.

[B]

I do. And, yeah. There's so many more, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to say it.

[A]

What?

[B]

No, no, no, no. We'll save it.

[A]

We'll save it another time. We'll save it for something else. Yes, maybe you'll do one day.

[B]

Oh, maybe.

[A]

I have an idea.

[B]

Oh, well, I'm interested in hearing more.

[A]

Okay. Maria, thank you so much for coming on caller. Daddy, it was truly a pleasure and it was very fun.

[B]

Pleasure's all mine.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

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