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Vanessa Richardson
On the Crime House Original podcast, Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, we're diving into the psychology of the world's most complex murder cases.
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Dr. Tristan Ingalls
From serial killers to cult leaders, deadly exes and spree killers, we're examining not just how they killed, but why.
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Vanessa Richardson
Is it uncontrollable rage? Overwhelming fear? Or is it something deeper? Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is a Crime House Studios original new episodes drop every Monday and Thursday Friday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts. This is Crime House. Good morning everyone. We have multiple breaking true crime cases this morning that you need to know about, and we're starting with the biggest ones. New developments are unfolding this morning in the search for Nancy Guthrie. And in Georgia, jury selection is underway in a case involving the father of a teenager accused in a deadly school shooting. This is crime house 24 7, your non stop source for the biggest crime cases developing right now. Make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Vanessa Richardson and we have quite a lineup for you today. Here's what you need to know.
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Vanessa Richardson
We dive into today's stories, we have an update on the disappearance of 84 year old Nancy Guthrie, the mother of NBC Today co anchor Savannah Guthrie, whose investigation has now entered its second week with no confirmed suspect. Over the weekend, investigators with the Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI returned to Nancy Guthrie's home to collect additional evidence, including a search of what appeared to be a septic tank or manhole in the backyard. Authorities have not explained what they were specifically looking for or whether that search produced new leads, and they say no suspects, persons of interest or connected vehicles have been identified. As the inquiry continues. In the midst of the search, multiple alleged ransom notes have circulated, including one that reportedly demanded $6 million to be paid in Bitcoin by 5pm on February 9 in exchange for Nancy's safe return, with language in the note warning her life could be in danger if the deadline was not met. As of this recording, law enforcement has not publicly verified the authenticity of the ransom demand or identified any suspects or persons of interest in the case. Meanwhile, on social media, the Guthrie family continues their pleas for their mot mother's safe return Savannah Guthrie and her siblings Annie and Cameron released another emotional plea over the weekend, posting a video directly addressing whoever may be responsible. In that message, the family said, quote, we received your message and we understand. Savannah also posted a solo video to Instagram on February 9, ahead of the alleged 5pm ransom deadline for that same day. She thanked everyone for their prayers and reiterated that they need the public's help in finding her and that they have reached an hour of desperation. Authorities continue to investigate reported ransom communications and are reportedly working with artificial intelligence experts to determine their validity, but have so far not verified the authenticity of those notes. As of this recording, Nancy Guthrie has now been gone for 10 days with no evidence that she's receiving the medication she needs or if she's alive. This remains an active and ongoing investigation and will bring you updates as they're confirmed and made public. We begin today with a major development in a school shooting case that has drawn national attention and reignited questions about parental responsibility and gun access. Jury selection began Monday in Gainesville hall county in the case against Colin Gray, the father of a teenager accused of carrying out a deadly shooting at Appalachia High school in Winder, Georgia near the start of the 2024 school year. Prosecutors allege that Colin Gray played a criminal role in the attack by purchasing the firearm later used in the shooting. He now faces 29 charges, including two counts of second degree murder, two counts of involuntary manslaughter and multiple counts of second degree cruelty to children. The trial is expected to last roughly three weeks, according to investigators at the Georgia Bureau of investigation. Colin Gray's son, then 14 year old Colt Gray, rode the bus that morning with an AR style weapon, weapon hidden in his backpack and a knife. Investigators allege that he left his algebra class that morning, went to the restroom and shortly after opened fire. Authorities say four people were killed in the attack. Two students and two teachers and nine others were wounded. Emergency crews and law enforcement responded within minutes and the school was placed on lockdown as officers worked to secure the campus and evacuate students. Colt Gray was taken into custody that day and is currently facing a total of 55 criminal counts on charges including malice murder, felony murder and aggravated assault, to which he has pleaded not guilty. His case is ongoing and proceeding separately and a status hearing is scheduled for mid March. The focus of the upcoming trial, however, is now on his father. Prosecutors allege that Colin Gray gave the AR style rifle to his son in December of 2023 a before the shooting as a Christmas gift despite knowing his son had a history of behavioral and mental health concerns. Authorities say he also bought his son a larger magazine so that the weapon could hold more ammunition. Court records indicate that investigators recovered the firearm used in the shooting and traced its purchase back to Colin Gray, according to charging documents. Prosecutors argue that providing the weapon, Colin Gray acted with criminal negligence that directly contributed to the deaths and injuries at the school. They contend that his actions meet the legal threshold for second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter under Georgia law. Defense attorneys for Colin Gray have not disputed that he purchased the gun, but they've argued that he could not have foreseen his son's actions and should not be held criminally responsible for the shooting itself. They are expected to challenge the prosecution's theory of causation and intent during the trial. The case marks one of the rare instances in which a parent is being criminally prosecuted for a mass school shooting shooting carried out by their child. Jury selection is expected to begin with questioning focused on potential jurors views on firearms, parental responsibility and school violence, all issues that are central to the case. Due to the high profile nature of the trial and the emotional weight of the allegations, court officials have said they expect the selection process to take several days. Colin Gray has pleaded not guilty to all charges. His bond was set at $500,000, but he has remained in cust since his arrest. As this case moves forward, the court will be tasked with answering a difficult legal question whether a parent can be held criminally responsible for providing a firearm later used in a mass shooting, even if they did not directly participate in the violence. The trial is expected to continue into early March barring delays, with opening statements likely to begin once jury selection is complete. We'll continue to follow developments closely and bring you updates as the case proceeds through the courtroom. And in another another courtroom, this time in Michigan, a trial is already underway for a husband accused of killing his once missing wife. Today, opening statements are expected to begin in the long awaited murder trial of Dale Warner, the husband of D. Warner, as jurors prepare to confront a case prosecutors say masked a homicide for years. Just days earlier, on February 6, a judge in Michigan's Lenaway County Circuit Court resolved key evidentiary disputes, clearing the way for jurors to hear critical testimony. 52 year old De Warner was last seen on April 25, 2021 at her home and farm in Franklin Township near Tecumsa where she lived with her husband, 57 year old Dale Warner. She was the mother of five children four from a previous marriage and one with Dale. Her brother Greg Hardy later described DE as a hard working woman who balanced family life with managing several businesses, including a trucking company and farming operations. In the days after her disappearance, Dee's daughter Raquel Bach went to her mother's home expecting their usual Sunday breakfast. She noticed her mother's vehicles, a Hummer and a Cadillac, were still parked at the property, as well as numerous personal items left behind, including her phone, purse and an overnight bag. Early in the investigation, Dee's husband, Dale Warner, told police that he believed Dee had left voluntarily after an argument and might return on her own. This did not satisfy family members who insisted Dee would never leave her children without notice. Despite extensive searches and multiple property sweeps in the months that followed, authorities were unable to locate Dee's remains for years. In August 2022, the Michigan State Police took over the case, bringing a new investigative focus. In March 2024, Dee was legally declared dead, and investigators arrested Dale Warner on charges of open murder and tampering with even though no body had yet been found. Then, in August 2024, the investigation reached a grim and pivotal breakthrough. Investigators executing a search warrant on property owned by Dale Warner discovered human remains sealed inside an anhydrous ammonia tank, similar to equipment used on the farm. Dental records later confirmed the remains belonged to Dee Warner, and officials ruled her death a homicide. In the years since Dee's disappearance, her children have pursued justice not only in criminal court, but also through civil action. In May 2025, Raquel Bach, representing Warner's estate, filed a $100 million wrongful death lawsuit against Dale Warner, alleging that assets belonging to their mother were improperly handled and should be directed to her children, not to the accused husband. Attorney Todd Flood described the lawsuit as a step toward closure and a legal recognition of the harm infl on the family. Meanwhile, prosecutors are expected to argue at trial that D was killed during a domestic encounter in 2021 and that Dale Warner then concealed her death by hiding her body and misleading investigators. The defense has maintained Warner's innocence and questioned elements of the prosecution's timeline. For D Warner's family, the trial represents a long awaited opportunity for accountability after years of uncertainty. As jurors prepare to hear evidence in this Michigan murder case, attention is also turning to two high profile legal developments involving athletes, including new criminal charges against a former NFL first round draft pick and a federal conviction handed down to a former major league baseball star.
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Debt Relief.com the former linebacker for the New York jets and Kansas City Chiefs is in custody and scheduled to appear in court on Wednesday, where a judge is expected to address bond and procedural matters in a case now drawing national attention across both the sports world and the criminal justice system. On February 5, 2020 2026, 31 year old Darren Lee was arrested in Tennessee and charged with first degree murder in the killing of his girlfriend, 29 year old Gabriela Carvalho Perpetuo. He was taken into custody at the Hamilton County Jail. First responders were called to the Ulta residence where they encountered CPR already in progress. Darren Lee told emergency personnel that he'd found his girlfriend unconscious on the couch and believed she may have fallen in the shower. Authorities later said those statements did not match what they described as concerning conditions inside the home. The Hamilton County Sheriff's Office reported finding blood spatter on walls and flooring in multiple areas of the residence, along with broken glass scattered across the kitchen. Investigators also noted the presence of cleaning supplies placed in what they described as unusual locations throughout the home. While collecting Lee's clothing, deputies noted scratches on his face, hands and chest that they believed were consistent with a recent physical altercation. Investigators also reported finding blood inside the protective case of Lee's cell phone. According to an affidavit summarized by local media. Investigators documented the victim had a suspected stab wound to the abdomen, severe bruising to the head and eyes, bruising on the arms and torso and what appeared to be a human bite mark on her shoulder. Detectives with the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office, along with the Hamilton County Medical Examiner's Office, processed the residence as a homicide scene that evening. The arrest of Lee marks a dramatic fall for a player once viewed as a cornerstone defensive talent. Lee was selected 20th overall in the 2016 NFL Draft by the New York jets after a standout college career at Ohio State, where he helped the Buckeyes win a national championship. Lee played four seasons with the jets before later spending time with the Kansas City Chiefs and Buffalo Bills. His professional football career ended several years ago, and he has not been on an NFL roster since the early 2000s. He was also previously arrested for assault and domestic violence in 2023. In the days since Lee's Feb. 5 arrest, law enforcement officials emphasized that the case remains active and that additional details are expected to emerge. Lee has not enter plea and is presumed innocent under the law. While prosecutors begin laying out their case against this former NFL player, another fallen sports figure is now facing consequences in a very different trial. In federal court in Los angeles. On Friday, February 6, 2026, a jury found former Major League Baseball outfielder Yasiel Puig, 35, guilty on two federal charges tied to an illegal sports gambling investigation. Puig was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice and one count of making false statements to federal law enforcement officials, according to a statement from the U.S. attorney's office. The verdict followed a nearly two week trial that examined his actions and statements during a federal probe into an underground gambling operation. Puig played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, the Cincinnati Reds, the Cleveland Indians and professional baseball teams in Mexico and South Korea, according to evidence presented at trial. P began placing bets on sporting events in May 2019 through an illegal gambling business run by a former minor league baseball player. Federal authorities presented testimony that Puig placed hundreds of additional wagers on tennis, football and baseball games between the summer and fall of 2019 and accumulated significant gambling losses, according to a press release from the US Attorney's Office. Quote, puig ran up a gambling debt with Nix's illegal bookmaking operation of nearly $1 million, a debt he never paid. Prosecutors said that by the end of that period he owed significant amounts to the operation and that he made arrangements, including sending large sums of money to cover his gambling debts. The case turned largely on Puig's statements to federal investigators during a January 2022 interview, prosecutors argued knowingly misled agents about his role in the betting activities and about who he dealt with ultimately hindering their investigation. Court testimony included audio evidence in which Puig, months after the interview, acknowledged having lied during his initial encounter with law enforcement. Puig's defense argued that language barriers and personal circumstances affected his interactions with investigators and his understanding of the investigation. His attorneys signaled after the verdict that they planned to pursue post trial motions challenging aspects of the prosecution's case. He's scheduled to be sentenced on May 26, 2026, and according to the U.S. attorney's office, Puig faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in federal prison on the obstruction of justice charge and up to five years in prison for the false statement charges.
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Vanessa Richardson
What drives a person to kill? Is it uncontrollable rage? Overwhelming fear? Unbearable jealousy? Or is it something deeper? Something in the darkest corners of our psyche?
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Dr. Tristan Ingalls
Every Monday and Thursday, the Crime House Original podcast Serial Killers and Murderous Minds dives deep into the minds of history's most chilling murderers. From infamous serial killers to ruthless cult leaders, deadly exes and terrifying spree killers, I'm Dr. Tristan Ingalls, a licensed forensic psychologist along with Vanessa Richards. Immersive storytelling full of high stakes twists and turns. In every episode of Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, I'll be providing expert analysis of the people involved, not just how they killed, but why.
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Vanessa Richardson
Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is a Crime House Studios original new episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts. Lastly, let me tell you about what else is happening at Crime House today on Crimes of Sabrina and Corinne continue their exploration of crimes of passion Today they're digging into the infamous Pamela Smart case. And as sensational as that case was, it marked something bigger than just a shocking crime. Pamela Smart's trial became one of the first criminal trials in U. S. History to be fully televised, allowing viewers to watch testimony, evidence and courtroom drama unfold in real time. For the public, it was a turning point. Crime was no longer something you read about after the fact. It was something you watched. That trial opened the floodgates. So before you head over to crimes of, let's take a look at five more televised trials that captured the attention of the American public and some of the most jaw dropping, unsettling and unforgettable details that came out during those proceedings. Trial one the O.J. simpson murder trial. There is no televised trial more famous or more polarizing than the People vs. O.J. simpson. When Simpson was charged with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, the case already carried enormous weight. Simpson was a celebrity, the victims were brutally killed, and the evidence was graphic and emotionally devastating. Once cameras entered the courtroom, the trial became a daily national event. Viewers watched DNA evidence explained in real time, listened to testimony about domestic violence, and saw clashes between prosecutors and defense attorneys that felt more like theater than law. The now infamous glove demonstration, quote, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit, end quote. Played out live for millions of viewers. But what truly made the trial historic was its cultural impact. Americans didn't just disagree about guilt or innocence. They disagreed along racial, social and political lines. When Simpson was acquitted, reactions were immediate and deeply divided. For many, it was the moment they realized that watching a trial doesn't guarantee justice or consensus. Trial 2 the Menendez brothers Just a few years earlier, another televised trial had already pushed the boundaries of what the public was willing to witness. In 1989, Lyle and Eric Menendez murdered their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez, inside their Beverly Hills home. The killings were vile, violent and shocking. And early coverage focused heavily on money and motive. Then the trial began and everything changed. Viewers watched as both brothers took the stand and described years of alleged sexual and emotional abuse by their father. Their testimony was raw, emotional and deeply uncomfortable. For many Americans, this was the first time abuse allegations were discussed so openly and graphically on live television. The public struggled to reconcile the brothers trauma with the brutality of their actions. The first trial ended with hung juries, another moment that played out live. The second trial, less televised and far more restrictive, resulted in life sentences. The Menendez trial forced viewers to confront a question that still lingers in true crime today. Can someone be both a victim and a perpetrator. Trial 3 the Casey Anthony Trial by the time the Casey Anthony trial began, televised true crime had fully matured into a cultural force. The case centered on the death of Kaylee Anthony, a two year old girl whose disappearance went unreported for 31 days. As the trial unfolded, viewers were confronted with lies, contradictions and behavior many found impossible to understand. Testimony covered Internet searches for chloroform, duct tape found with Kaylee's remains, and conflicting forensic interpretations. Experts debated whether the evidence proved murder or accidental death. Perhaps the most shocking moment came during the defense's opening statement, which accused Casey Anthony's father of abuse, a claim never substantiated, but one that permanently reshaped public perception of the case. When Anthony was acquitted of murder, the backlash was immediate and intense. Americans felt they'd watched justice slip away in real time. The Casey Anthony trial demonstrated something crucial. Even wall to wall coverage can leave viewers feeling more confused and more angry than informed. Trial 4 the Scott Peterson Trial the disappearance of Lacy Peterson and her unborn son Connor became a national obsession almost immediately. When Laci vanished on Christmas Eve in 2002, cameras followed every development, development, search efforts, candlelight vigils, and eventually the arrest of her husband, Scott Peterson. By the time the trial began, public opinion had largely hardened. Viewers heard testimony about Peterson's affair, his behavior during the search, and circumstantial evidence tying him to the San Francisco Bay where Lacy and Connor's bodies were later found. What made the trial especially compelling was its reliance on indirect evidence. There was no confession, no eyewitness to the murder. Instead, the case hinged on patterns, timelines and credibility. Peterson was convicted and sentenced to death, later commuted to life without parole. For many viewers, the trial reinforced how powerful circumstantial cases can be and how deeply media coverage can shape perception before a jury ever speaks. Trial 5 the Jody Arias Trial Trial if any televised trial blurred the line between courtroom and spectacle, it was the State of Arizona vs. Jody Arias. Arias was charged with the murder of her former boyfriend, Travis Alexander, who was found stabbed, shot and nearly decapitated in his home. The trial was broadcast in full and viewers watched days, sometimes weeks of graphic testimony. Arias took the stand in her own defense, offering multiple conflicting stories and alibi, then an accidental killing, then claims of self defense following abuse. Jurors and viewers alike were confronted with explicit evidence, disturbing photographs and testimony that felt almost voyeuristic at times. When Arias was convicted and sentenced to life in prison, many viewers felt relief but also discomfort at how much of the case had become public consumption. The Arus trial raised serious questions about whether televised justice informs the public public or simply feeds fascination. Why Televised Trials Hit Differently what ties these trials together isn't celebrity alone. It's access. Televised trials invite the public into spaces once reserved for juries and judges. They turn evidence into entertainment and grief into discussion. For victims and families, this exposure can be devastating. Their pain is replayed, analyzed, and debated, often without consent. Televised trials don't just show justice in action they reshape how we experience crime itself. As you head over to Crimes of to hear Sabrina and Corinne unpack the Pamela Smart case, remember this when trials become television, the verdict is rarely the final chapter. Sometimes it's just the moment the story becomes immortal. You've been listening to Crime House 24 7, bringing you breaking crime news. I'm Vanessa Richardson. We'll be back tomorrow morning with more developing stories. Stay safe and thanks for listening. What drives a person to murder? Find out from a licensed forensic psychologist on Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, a Crime House Original Podcast. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts.