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Ryan Reynolds
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Vanessa Richardson
This is Crime House. During the week of April 1, 1984, soul singing sensation Marvin Gaye was shot and killed in his own home after a violent argument with his father. Eleven years later, in 1995, Tejano music superstar Selena Quintanilla was gunned down at the age of 23 by the President of her own fan club, making this episode's theme Music murders. Welcome to Crime House the Show. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Every Monday we'll be revisiting notorious crimes from this week in history. From serial killers to mysterious disappearances or murders, every episode will explore two true crime cases that share a common theme here at Crime House. We know none of this would be possible without you, our community. Please support us by rating, reviewing and following Crime House the Show wherever you get your podcasts and for ad free and early access to Crime the Show plus exciting Crime House bonus content. Subscribe to Crime House plus on Apple Podcasts this week's theme is Music Industry Murders. We'll start Today's episode in 1984 with the murder of Marvin Gaye. After that, we'll Skip forward to 1995 when Selena Quintanilla was gunned down at a motel in Texas. Both singers achieved remarkable success in their careers, but everything was taken away from them in an instant by people extremely close to them. People who were consumed by jealousy and bitterness, who betrayed the ones they loved most. As a result, two unique voices who entertained millions were silenced forever. I've got some exciting news. I'm co hosting a new show from Crime House called Killer Minds. Featuring forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels. Each episode features a deep dive into the psychology of a notorious murderer. From serial killers to cult leaders, deadly exes and spree killers, Killer Minds is a Crime House Studios original. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts.
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Vanessa Richardson
To the outside world, it seemed like soul singer Marvin Gaye had it all. He'd sold millions of records and had all the fame, fortune and women he could ever want. But inside the large home he shared with his parents on South Gramercy Place in Los Angeles, things were less than glamorous. Especially between Marvin and his father, Marvin Sr. The two men had never gotten along, but by the mid-1980s, the tension had reached a boiling point. Marvin Jr. Was a cocaine addict who'd become paranoid and reclusive. Meanwhile, his father, Marvin Sr. Spent his days guzzling vodka, consumed by resentment towards his son. And on April 1, 1984, a lifetime of jealousy and dysfunction came to a head when the two got into a deadly argument. One that had been building up ever since Marvin Gaye Jr. Came into the world. Marvin was born in 1939 and grew up in a poor neighborhood in Washington, D.C. his father, Marvin Sr. Was a Pentecostal minister who ruled his family with an iron fist. Marvin Sr. Had a fiery temper. Even the slightest violation of his many rules could lead to savage beatings. Sadly, that was practically the only time Marvin Sr. Paid his son any attention. Marvin Jr. S mother, Alberta, once admitted that Marvin Sr. Never wanted him. This led to a lifetime of hard feelings and resentment between Marvin Jr. And his father. However, there was one thing that brought the two of them together. Music. From a young age, Marvin Jr. Was an incredible singer. Marvin Sr. Recognized his son's talents and took him to church conventions to perform. But Marvin Sr. Didn't encourage his son out of the kindness of his heart. It was because he believed Marvin Jr. Would someday make the family rich because of his musical gifts. Despite Marvin Jr. S talents, his father's dominance over the family and the routine beatings made Marvin Jr. S life miserable. Throughout his teenage years, he knew something had to change and it had to be drastic. So Marvin Jr dropped out of high school after 11th grade, and in October 1956, the 17 year old joined the Air Force. In his mind, the Air Force would provide him with a life of adventure and excitement and most importantly, it would get him away from his dad. But Military life didn't agree with Marvin. He joined the Air Force to learn how to fly planes, but ended up stuck with grunt work like peeling potatoes at bases in Kansas, Texas and Wyoming. Once Marvin realized that life in the service wasn't for him, he decided to fake being mentally ill to get discharged. Marvin did his best to convince his superiors that he was crazy by doing the exact opposite of everything he was ordered to do. If he was told to get up, he'd lay down. If he was commanded to clean up, he'd smear dirt all over himself. Eventually it paid off and he was sent home from the air force in June 1957 after only seven and a half months. But now the 18 year old faced another problem. Returning to his Life in Washington D.C. marvin didn't have the courage to face his father. So he slept on friends couches and only briefly stopped by his parents house to eat and get money from his mom. Marvin knew he couldn't count on the generosity of his friends and his mother forever. Though the way he saw it, there was only one way out. He had to accept his father's prophecy and become a famous singer. After a few ups and downs, 21 year old Marvin made his way to Detroit in 1960. The timing couldn't have been better. Famed record label Motown had just gotten off the ground. One night its founder Barry Gordy heard Marvin sing at a party. Gordy immediately recognized Marvin's talent and signed him to a deal. Marvin was starting to make a real name for himself and before his first single was released in 1961, he did something that would separate him even more from his father. He added an E to his last name so it was now spelled G A Y e. Throughout the 1960s, Marvin steadily gained popularity with tunes like It Takes Two, Ain't Nothing like the Real Thing and I Heard it through the Grapevine, which hit number one on the Billboard charts in 1968. By this point, 29 year old Marvin was a huge star and had fallen prey to the temptations of fame and fortune, namely sex and drugs. Although Marvin got married in 1963, he took advantage of his status as a sex symbol and slept with a lot of women. And at some point in the 60s, Marvin also developed a dangerous cocaine addiction. He thought of cocaine as a drug for the elite members of society. For a poor young man from the slums of Washington D.C. he felt like using the drug gave him an extra air of prestige. But it didn't take long for his new hobby to become a full blown addiction. But Marvin's thriving career presented another issue. For all the success he was experiencing, it still wasn't good enough for his father. Marvin Sr. Had a long list of complaints about his son's fame. That list included his sexual promiscuity, the fact that he considered his songs to be sinful and his rampant drug use. As a gesture of goodwill, Marvin bought a house in Los Angeles for his parents. After he moved there in 1973, Marvin tried to include his dad in his life and asked him to accompany him on tour. But Marvin Sr. Refused every time. Despite his generosity, the two still continued to quarrel. For Marvin, this was further proof that his father never loved, accepted or appreciated him. Despite his rocky personal life, Marvin's popularity continued to skyrocket. During the 1970s, he released a batch of hit songs including what's Going On, Mercy, Mercy Me and the iconic let's Get It On. But the success only contributed to more problems at home. Throughout the decade. He got divorced, remarried, then separated again. He had three children and he owed hefty sums of money for alimony and child support payments. On top of all that, Marvin's cocaine use spiraled out of control and began to take a serious toll on his physical and mental states. By the end of the 1970s, Marvin Gaye was facing yet another major obstacle. He owed the IRS many millions of dollars in unpaid back taxes. But instead of confronting his problems, legal and personal, he decided to avoid them. After performing in London in July 1979, Marvin decided to stay in England rather than go back to the U.S. predictably, running from his problems didn't help. Marvin blew the $60,000 he made on his previous tour on drugs, partying and a never ending stream of women. By that point, Marvin was at the end of his rope and it seemed like he might not be able to snap out of his self destructive behavior. But in the spring of 1981, Marvin's fortunes changed. In London he met a man named Freddy Coussart who worked as a club owner and concert promoter. Freddie was a fan of Marvin's music and could tell that he was in bad shape. He convinced Marvin to come live with his family in a seaside town in Belgium while he got back on his feet. The fresh start was exactly what Marvin needed. He jogged and cycled on the beach and finally cleaned up his act. All the self care paid off and in November 1982, 43 year old Marvin released his biggest hit yet, Sexual Healing. Marvin was back on top of the music world and while he enjoyed his life in Belgium, something was pulling him back to the United States, specifically his mom, Alberta. She was in the hospital with kidney problems and he wanted to be by her side. So in late 1982, Marvin ended his two and a half year exile and returned to America. But not everyone was happy about his homecoming. Marvin was about to become reacquainted with his father, who he hadn't seen in three years, and the two men were set to have a violent showdown that would end in tragedy. Nordstrom brings you the season's most wanted brands, Skims, Mango Free People and Princess polly.
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Vanessa Richardson
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Month plan equivalent to $15 per month Required intro rate first 3 months price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See full terms@mintmobile.com in late 1982, 43 year old Marvin Gaye returned to the United States after a two and a half year hiatus in Europe. He'd spent that time getting clean and taking his career to new heights. But when his mom Alberta developed serious health problems, Marvin put all that aside to be with her. After his plane landed back in the U.S. marvin went straight to Alberta's hospital bedside in Los Angeles where she was recovering from surgery. But someone was missing. Marvin's father, Marvin Sr. In fact, he wasn't even in LA. He was fixing up the family home in Washington D.C. because he planned to sell it. Marvin Sr. Returned to LA in January 1983. By then, Marvin Jr. Had moved into the house on South Gramercy street to help care for his mom. They were now living under the same roof. For the first time in more than 20 years, they were at each other's throats from the jump. Marvin Jr. Was upset that his father hadn't been there for his mother when she was sick and still couldn't get over the fact that Marvin Sr. Didn't truly accept him or his success. On the other hand, Marvin Sr. Resented his son's celebrity status and the fact that their family lived off of Marvin Jr. S money. He also wasn't happy that his son's biggest song was called Sexual Healing. Despite his father's misgivings, Marvin's life appeared to be on the upswing, at least from the outside. He won two Grammys in February 1983 and sang the national anthem at the NBA All Star Game game that same month. However, things took a turn for the worse. A couple months later in April 1983, when Marvin went back on tour on the road, his old demons returned with a vengeance. Marvin's cocaine use ramped up again and he began to lose his grip on reality. He became increasingly paranoid. As the tour continued throughout the summer, Marvin was convinced that someone was trying to kill him. He hired a friend to watch his performances from the side of the stage each night, looking for potential assassins. Marvin also had his sister personally bring him water on stage because he was convinced someone was trying to poison him. Fueled by this psychosis, Marvin had one of his bodyguards deliver a gun to his parents house in Los Angeles. He was afraid that someone was going to harm them too too. Marvin Sr. Had never owned a gun before but he agreed to sleep with the weapon under his pillow at night because it made his son feel more comfortable. When the tour ended in August 1983, 44 year old Marvin was in terrible shape. He was overweight, exhausted and more paranoid than ever. He retreated to his parents house in LA and spent the next seven days months holed up in his room snorting cocaine. And he wasn't the only one in their house with a serious addiction. Marvin Senior was an alcoholic and drank a lot of vodka. He was drunk most of the time and resented that his son was now viewed as the man of the house. Marvin Jr. Knew how angry that made his father. But rather than try and diffuse the situation, he would deliberately push Marvin Senior's buttons. Their arguments became so explosive. Marvin Senior made it clear on multiple occasions that if his son ever laid A hand on him, he'd kill him. Their relationship continued to decline, coming to a head on April 1, 1984, the day before Marvin Jr's 45th birthday. That day, Marvin Sr. Decided to take his anger out on something completely trivial. He couldn't find a letter he'd misplaced. He climbed the stairs to Marvin Jr. S bedroom where Alberta was sitting with their son. Marvin Sr. Yelled at her, furious about the missing letter. Tired of the never ending abuse towards him and his mother, Marvin Jr. Allegedly punched his father and shoved him out of the room. Alberta was able to separate the two men and Marvin Jr. Retreated to his bedroom. But the fight wasn't over yet. A few minutes later, Marvin Sr. Came back with the very gun his son had sent him. He aimed the pistol at Marvin Jr. And pulled the trigger. The bullet entered Marvin's chest and punctured his lung, heart, diaphragm, liver, stomach and left kidney. Marvin slid from his bed onto the floor. His father walked toward him and fired the gun again. The second bullet entered his left shoulder and exited through his back. Alberta was hysterical and she was convinced that Marvin Sr. Would turn the gun on her next. She begged him not to shoot her as she fled down the stairs away from her husband. But Marvin Sr. Was done killing. He went outside and sat on the home's front porch. He tossed the gun into the front yard and watched as first responders arrived. Minutes later, paramedics rushed Marvin Jr. To a hospital where he was pronounced dead. Meanwhile, Marvin Sr. Was arrested and taken into custody. He claimed that he shot his son in self defense and that he thought the gun was loaded with blanks or BBs. Despite his argument, he was charged with first degree murder. However, after reviewing the injuries Marvin Sr. Had suffered from their fight, the judge accepted a plea bargain. Instead of the original first degree murder charges, Marvin Sr. Was allowed to plead no contest to charges of voluntary manslaughter. The reduced charges meant he wouldn't go to prison. In November 1984, Marvin Gaye Sr. Was sentenced to five years probation for shooting and killing his son. A couple of months later, Alberta filed for divorce. She passed away a few years later in 1987 at 74 years old. And Marvin Sr. Died in 1998 when he was 84. In life, Marvin Gaye Jr. Hoped his musical talent could bring his family together. Instead, his success and everything that came with it only tore them apart. In the 44 years he was alive, Marvin touched millions of people with his passionate music and his transcendent voice. But in the end, he could never Please, the one person whose approval meant the most. Up next, we jump forward to 1995, when another music star was gunned down by an important figure in their life. Just when Selena Quintanilla was on the verge of global celebrity, she was killed by the person claiming to be her biggest fan.
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Vanessa Richardson
Eleven years after the tragic shooting of Marvin Gaye, another big name in music lost her life. This time, it was a 23 year old singer named Selena Quintanilla. Once again, the killer was someone Selena was extremely close to. And although the culprit wasn't directly related to her, Selena still thought of her as family. Throughout the late 1980s and early 90s, Selena had taken the Tejano music world by storm. Combining Mexican, European and American influences, it seemed like the young woman who was known as the Mexican Madonna was about to win over a massive audience. For most of her life, Selena's career had been managed by her relatives. But by the mid-90s, her empire was getting bigger. She was expanding into more traditional business ventures and wanted someone to look after them. That person was Yolanda Saldivar. By 1995, she'd been the president of Selena's fan club for about four years. The two had become close and Yolanda was an impression important part of Selena's world. But things weren't going well between the two women. Selena had accused Yolanda of stealing thousands of dollars from her and felt like she was being manipulated. So on March 31, 1995, Selena went to a Days in motel in Corpus Christi, Texas to confront Yolanda. She had no idea that Yolanda had no intention of paying Selena back or letting her leave that motel alive. Before that fateful day, it seemed like the world was Selena's oyster, all thanks to her incredible talent. Music was in the Quintanilla family's blood. Selena's father, Abraham, was an abandoned Corpus Christi in the 1950s and 60s, although he hadn't been able to turn it into a career. Even so, he fostered that love of music in his family. And a few years after Selena was born in 1971, he quickly realized she was a talented singer. He decided to create a family band with Selena and her two older siblings, her brother A.B. and her sister Suzette. They were called Selena y Los Dinos and specialized in Tejano music. The band became popular locally and by the 1980s they were playing gigs out of town. Abraham was certain his daughter was destined for success. He went all in on the family band, booking shows for them and managing their tours while they traversed South Texas in a beat up old van. The 1980s were a whirlwind for Selena and her family. The band played parties, honky tonks and quinceaneras as their popularity grew and Selena was front and Center. In 1987, when she was only 15 years old, Selena was named the female Vocalist of the Year at the Tejano Music Awards. She went on to win the award seven years in a row. Despite her meteoric rise to success, Selena remained humble. Instead of moving to a big fancy house, Selena stayed in the neighborhood she'd been living in since she was a kid. Her family lived in three side by side houses in a working class section of Corpus Christi. But that didn't mean she wasn't ambitious. By the early 1990s, Selena's popularity was surging and she had her eyes on more than just music. Selena opened two boutiques featuring her jewelry and clothing lines along with hair and nail salons. And in 1991, a woman named Yolanda Saldivar approached her about another intriguing business opportunity. 31 year old Yolanda was a nurse from San Antonio who was a huge fan of Selena's music and a regular at her concerts. In 1991, she reached out to Selena's sister Suzette about starting a fan club. Selena's father, Abraham, was suspicious of outsiders, but Yolanda's gentle, friendly nature charmed the whole family. She eventually won Abraham over and he agreed to her proposal. Under Yolanda's management, the fan club rapidly gained members. And everyone was impressed with the effort she put in. And it wasn't long before Yolanda wasn't just a business associate, she became a trusted friend. She was a constant presence on Selena's tour bus and the two of them became close. Selena had no idea that Yolanda was not to be trusted. Back in 1984, a doctor she'd worked for in San Antonio had accused her of stealing $9,000 from him. The Quintanillas also didn't realize that Yolanda wasn't just a superfan. She was obsessed with Selena, and she'd stop at nothing to get close to her and keep others away. But things in Selena's life were going so well, nobody thought to look into Yolanda's background more closely. In 1992, Selena married one of her bandmates, a guy named Chris Perez. And in 1994, 22 year old Selena won a Grammy for Best Mexican American album. Her boutiques were thriving and Selena's fan club was also going strong. With so many balls in the air, she decided to hire Yolanda to run both of her stores. But early in 1995, things took a dark turn. Employees at Selena's boutiques noticed something weird was happening. Selena's friends had worked at the stores since they opened, but Yolanda was gradually firing them. Yolanda was also annoyingly possessive of Selena and didn't want anyone else to have access to her. She started acting like a middle woman, insisting that anyone who wanted to talk to Selena had to go through her. Her first that included Selena's costume designer. One day she stopped by Yolanda's house and noticed that her walls were covered in photos of Selena. And strangely enough, 34 year old Yolanda wasn't even running the fan club anymore. Which Abraham only realized when fans started to complain they hadn't received items they'd ordered. The Quintanilla family decided to do some more digging into what Yolanda was up to. And what they discovered shocked them. It turned out that Yolanda had written four checks to herself from Selena's fan club account. And the employees at Selena's boutique in San Antonio thought Yolanda was stealing money from the business too. Altogether, Selena suspected that Yolanda stole as much as $30,000 from her. On March 9, 1995, 23 year old Selena Abraham and her sister Suzette confronted Yolanda in a meeting at the family's recording studio. Yolanda didn't have any good answers about the missing money, but she insisted she'd done nothing wrong. Abraham wasn't buying it. He told Yolanda she was never allowed at the studio again. Again, if she ever tried to come back, he'd have her arrested. Selena was conflicted, but she decided that the best thing to do was fire Yolanda. However, Selena needed to get some important tax paperwork from her first. And Yolanda was also scheduled to take a business trip on Selena's behalf at the end of the month. So Selena decided to wait until everything was in order before cutting Yolanda loose. In the weeks leading up to Yolanda's business trip, Selena repeatedly tried to get the paperwork she needed. But Yolanda was shifty about it. Every time the two of them met Up. Yolanda would conveniently forget to bring the right documents. Selena was fed up with her antics, but she figured their partnership would be over soon enough. Little did she know, her so called friend and business partner now felt like a cornered animal. Selena also wasn't aware that two days after the blow up at the recording studio on March 9, Yolanda had bought a gun and she was planning on using it to get exactly what she wanted. In March 1995, 34 year old Yolanda Saldivar was caught stealing from her friend, business Partner and Obsession. 23 year old Selena Quintanilla. Yolanda knew she was on thin ice and promised Selena she could prove she was in innocent. But she also knew there was no way to prove her innocence. Selena had given Yolanda an ultimatum. After Yolanda returned from her business trip in late March. She needed to hand over some important paperwork. At that point, their relationship, business and personal, would be over. But Yolanda wasn't prepared to accept that. That and she decided to take extreme measures to make sure it didn't happen. After coming home on March 30, 1995, Yolanda called Selena and asked her to meet at the Days Inn Motel in Corpus Christi. She said she had the financial records Selena had requested. Ready for it all to be over, Selena and her husband Chris drove to the motel. Chris waited outside while the two women talked inside Yolanda's room. And she had quite the story to tell. Yolanda told Selena she'd been kidnapped and raped during her trip to Mexico. Selena was skeptical, but she still offered to take Yolanda to a hospital to be examined. Yolanda most likely knew that Selena wasn't buying her latest attempt to delay the inevitable. And she declined. Rather than push the matter any further, Selena took the paperwork Yolanda had with her and left. Once she and Chris were back at home, Selena flipped through the papers and realized that certain documents were missing. But Selena didn't have the energy to confront Yolanda again. She decided they should deal with the issue another day. But later that evening, as Chris and Selena were in bed getting ready to sleep, the phone rang. It was Yolanda. She claimed she was bleeding internally from the alleged rape. She said she needed Selena to come back to the motel immediately. Alone. Selena considered going back, but Chris suspected that something wasn't right. He told Selena that he didn't want her going there alone and that they would figure everything out. The next day, Selena relented and told Yolanda that she and Chris would come back tomorrow to settle everything once and for all. The next morning, was March 31, 1995. Chris was half awake when he heard Selena getting ready to start her day. He figured she was going to eat breakfast with her dad or make some phone calls. Calls. It never even crossed his mind that Selena was headed back to the Days in motel by herself, just like Yolanda wanted. Later that morning, Selena called Chris from the hospital. She told him that she'd taken Yolanda there. However, there was no evidence she'd been sexually assaulted. Selena then told Chris that she was driving back to the Days Inn to drop Yolanda off. Shortly after that call, a maid at the motel heard yelling from one of the rooms. Then she heard the unmistakable sound of a gunshot. Startled, the maid looked out the window of the room she was cleaning and saw Selena running through the parking lot. Yolanda was chasing after her, holding a pistol. Selena ran until she burst into the motel's lobby. She told an employee to lock the door, then collapsed onto the floor. She was bleeding heavily from a gunshot wound to the back. A motel employee asked Selena if she knew who had shot her and she answered with one word. Yolanda. An ambulance whisked Selena away to a hospital, but it was too late. Despite doctors giving her a blood transfusion and trying to revive her, Selena was dead at the age of 23. After the shooting, Yolanda attempted to flee in her pickup truck, but was cornered in the motel's parking lot. She sat in her truck with the gun to her head, threatening to end her life. The lead police negotiator talked to Yolanda for hours while she sat in the truck contemplating suicide. He said that she never made any demands and that she only wanted to talk about how Selena was doing. Fearing for her safety, the negotiator didn't tell Yolanda that Selena was dead. After a standoff that lasted nearly 10 hours, Yolanda finally surrendered to the police. She tried to claim the gun went off accidentally, but the argument went nowhere. She was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison. As of this recording, the now 64 year old was slated to be eligible for parole on March 30, 2025, almost 30 years to the day that she killed Selena in cold blood and in the process, cast a dark shadow over the music industry forever. When we look back at this week in crime history, we're reminded that fame and fortune can occasionally lead to tragic results. In the case of Marvin Gaye, he could never completely outrun his troubled past and win his father's love. Instead of Marvin's success bringing them together, it only drove them apart. Until it resulted in the unimaginable with Selena, she never let her fame get to her head and kept an innate trust in those close to her. But all the success in the world couldn't protect her from a woman whose fandom turned into a twisted obsession. And being because of these toxic relationships, two shining stars were snuffed out far too soon. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is Crime House the Show Crime House the Show is a Crime House original powered by Pave Studios. At Crime House, we want to express our gratitude to you, our community, for making this possible. Please support us by rating, reviewing and following Crime House the Show. Wherever you get your podcasts, your feedback truly matters. And for ad free and early access to Crime House the Show plus plus exciting bonus content subscribe to Crime House plus on Apple Podcasts. We'll be back next Monday. The show is hosted by me, Vanessa Richardson, and is a Crime House original powered by Pave Studios. This episode was brought to life by the Crime House the Show team Max Cutler, Ron Shapiro, Alex Benedon, Natalie Pertzovsky, Lori Marinelli, Sarah Camp, Matt Gilligan, Haniya Saeed and Michael Langsner. Thank you for listening. What drives a person to murder? Find out from a licensed forensic psychologist on Killer Minds A Crime House Arrest Original Podcast. 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