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Vanessa Richardson
On the Crime House original podcast, Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, we're diving into the psychology of the world's most complex murder cases.
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Dr. Tristan Ingalls
From serial killers to cult leaders, deadly exes and spree killers, we're examining not just how they killed, but why.
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Vanessa Richardson
Is it uncontrollable rage? Overwhelming fear? Or is it something deeper? Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is a Crime House Studios original new episodes drop every Monday and Thursday Friday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sarah Turney
This is Crime House.
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Vanessa Richardson
Good morning everyone. I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is crime house 24. 7, your home. For breaking true crime news today, we're taking a slight turn from our usual format for an extended discussion on a case that continues to raise urgent questions. The disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.
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Vanessa Richardson
Welcome back to Crime House 24. 7. We're discussing the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Here's what we know right now. 84 year old Nancy Guthrie is the mother of Today show co anchor Savannah Guthrie, which immediately brought her case into the spotlight. NBC News recently released a timeline leading up to Nancy's disappearance. So let's break break that down. On January 31st at 5:32pm Nancy, who lives in Tucson, Arizona, went to a local family member's home. At 9:48pm she was dropped off by family members and she opened her garage door. At 9:50pm her garage door closed. At 1:47am Nancy's doorbell camera disconnects and at 2:12am software at her home detects a person on camera. A about 15 minutes later at 2:28am her pacemaker app disconnected from her phone. The following morning on February 1st, Nancy failed to show up to church, which is unusual for her, prompting concern from her friends and family. Her family went by her house to check on her at home at 11:56am and found no sign of her and the police were called around noon that same day. Since then there have been little to no leads, but investigators are treating her disappearance as suspicious. Her home was processed as a possible crime scene and homicide detectives were brought in to assist with the investigation. It was confirmed that blood was found at the front door of the home, and the blood was a match for Nancy Guthrie. Authorities have not publicly identified any suspects or persons of interest, and they've released limited information about what evidence, if any, was found inside the home. Now, multiple news outlets, including TMZ and two CNN Tucson affiliates, have reported receiving ransom notes demanding millions of dollars in bitcoin. To help break down what's known, what's still missing, and why this case matters, I'm joined today by Courtney Nicole and Sarah Turney, our hosts of the upcoming Crime House podcast, the Final Hours. Follow the final hours on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so you don't miss episode one on February 23rd. Courtney, welcome to the show. Tell us a little bit about your background and why Nancy Guthrie's case has stuck out to you so far.
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Courtney Nicole
Yes, thank you so much for having me on. So I'm Courtney Nicole, and I would say my journey into this true crime space started when I was 12 years old when I found out that a member of my own family, someone I was very close to, my grandma, she committed a very violent crime against another member of my family. And so at 12 years old, very, very hard to process that information. Nobody in my family really wanted to talk about it. Fast forward into adulthood. I carried that with me. I still had so many questions, so I decided to seek out the case files. My. And when I did, I learned a lot of information that I didn't previously know. And so with that, I took to social media to not only share my own story, but hopefully to share other people's stories that really need attention. And with that, I've, you know, I've connected with so many different families, and it's been wonderful.
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Vanessa Richardson
That's incredible. Courtney, you're no stranger to this type of thing and researching and digging into these things. And Sarah, welcome to the show as well. Tell us a little bit about your background and why Nancy Guthrie's case has stuck out to you.
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Courtney Nicole
Yeah.
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Sarah Turney
Thank you so much. I mean, it's always heartbreaking to see, you know, somebody go missing. And as many of you know, I have a missing sister myself, Alyssa Turney. She went missing in 2001 when I was just 12 years old. So, you know, me and Court have a connection that way. And essentially, the police told me that my best chance of getting justice for her was to get media, which really launched me into the true crime sphere. So I'm here now, and I just want to help. I mean, this case is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Vanessa Richardson
Absolutely. Well, Sarah, yeah, this is very. This hits pretty, pretty close to Home. I think, too, with you and all of the experience you've had, I'm really curious to hear what both of you have to say about these things. It's interesting to see how this case has drawn an intense amount of attention, obviously, in part because Nancy's daughter is Today's show co anchor Savannah Guthrie. From both of your perspectives, does that level of media coverage, does it help move a case like this forward, or can it sometimes complicate the search for answers?
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Courtney Nicole
I think I'm leaning kind of down the middle. I think when you have this level of media coverage, it's great in the sense that, you know, so many people, especially in that community, can kind of keep their eyes open to see if anything sticks out, maybe remember something that they didn't think was out of the ordinary before. So I think it can help in that way. But other times, I do feel like it could complicate the search for answers only because I feel like everybody comes from or comes with good intentions and they want to help. So I feel like a lot of people can insert themselves into these cases with this much media coverage.
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Sarah Turney
I was just going to say. Absolutely. I think that, you know, court hit the nail right on the head there. Right. It's obviously fantastic to get so much media coverage, but we know with that also comes a huge influx of leads, which, again, is good and bad. Right. It's fantastic to have all this information, but it does mean that, you know, these officers have to take some time to go through them.
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Vanessa Richardson
Definitely. And there's a lot. I've seen a lot of interviews with. With neighbors and all kinds of people just wanting to kind of, you know, say their. Their bit and their part and their. Their opinions and things, which, like you said, it can be helpful, but it can also kind of muddy the waters. It's very interesting. It does dance that line, doesn't it? And the alleged ransom notes. So. So a couple of news outlets, as I mentioned before, have received apparently ransom notes demanding bitcoin. What do you make of those? Based on what you've seen? How do you think law enforcement and families navigate leads like that, especially when public attention is so high? There's such a microscope on this, on this case.
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Courtney Nicole
Yeah. Like you said, I feel like the line is so thin on what should and shouldn't be, like, looked into. It's really hard to say because, you know, when you're a family of, like, a missing. A missing loved one, of course you want the police to look into every possible lead because, you know, in some sense, it's better than not having anything. But, you know, with this ransom note and the bitcoin, you know, demands. It's interesting to me because I, if I'm correct, I think police still haven't confirmed whether this is like a valid ransom note, but they did release that it did contain some information that was very like detailed and specific about Nancy's house and even down to the clothes that she was wearing the night she went missing. So I feel like that is definitely something to look into, which I'm sure police are obviously looking into it.
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Sarah Turney
I mean, I think it's just so hard, right? Especially we're looking at bitcoin, it's, you know, virtually untraceable, which I think tells the police a lot about this person. You know, they, they seemingly obviously want to get away with it. And when the case is so public, how do you know, you know, if these details have been held back, if maybe they were clued in by a neighbor, they heard some gossip? I think, unfortunately, it's incredibly complicated right now.
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Vanessa Richardson
Definitely there's, there's a lot still that needs to be uncovered. Deputies have said that Nancy's phone, her wallet, her car, her Apple watch, they were all found at the house. They've also noted that her Apple devices stopped syncing to her pacemaker around 2am from an investigative standpoint, since she was declared missing nearly 10 hours after that point, how significant is a gap like that when building a timeline?
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Courtney Nicole
Oh, it's incredibly significant. I mean, as we all know, so many things can happen with even just the first minute of somebody's crime or disappearance in this case, let alone 10 hours. So it's definitely significant. Those first few hours are so crucial to an investigation. Investigation. And in this point, you know, 10 hours had gone by. That's so much time for someone to get in and get out without anybody noticing, especially during the hours that this took place.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, I mean, again, court, I think you're just hitting the nail right on the head here, you know, and also I think we have to remind ourselves of where Tucson, Arizona is. You know, it's not that far from the Mexico border, which I think again, unfortunately complicates things further.
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Vanessa Richardson
Yes, and apparently she needs life saving medication that, you know, she hasn't had now for a couple of days. So it's been, it's a very nerve wracking time. We answers need to happen soon. So as you both know, well, it's common for families of victims to feel caught between wanting answers and wanting to protect the integrity of the investigation. How do you balance pushing for attention without jeopardizing a case?
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Courtney Nicole
It's hard because you do really want all of the information out there that could be out there and to hopefully help the case. But it's really just a hard balance. You know, for me, I feel like sticking to the sole facts of the case, getting their picture out there, all of that can really make a difference without hindering the investigation.
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Sarah Turney
Exactly. I watched that video from her family, and it's just heartbreaking. But I do think that it's a great strategy. You know, they're appealing to emotion and it's real emotion. Right. Of course. They're not, you know, making this up. And I think that that's an incredibly powerful way to share this story while also elic, you know, sympathy from the public and hopefully from whoever did this.
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Vanessa Richardson
Oh, hopefully, Exactly. I mean, when she looked at the camera and said, just talk to her, oh, my gosh, it's, it's, it's chilling. Still ahead, Sarah Turney and Courtney Nicole continue our conversation on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie and the questions that remain unanswered.
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Vanessa Richardson
7. We're discussing the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Courtney, I know you have experience bringing attention to cases through social media and sparking public conversation, which is amazing. In your opinion, how do you decide what information is responsible to share versus what should wait? And specifically in Nancy's case, do you think the public maybe knows too much?
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Courtney Nicole
Yeah, for me personally, I only stick to what, when it comes to any story that I'm covering, any case that I'm covering, I only stick to the facts that come from credible news sources. Especially in urgent cases like this, I typically rely pretty much only on the family statements or like the, the police department that's involved their statements. Because these cases that are very urgent like this, it's, it's a really good way for misinformation to spread really, really fast. So. And then, you know, with that, I tend to reserve the details that could cause any speculation or any like, opinion on the families that are going through this because in these moments it's, in these moments it's the very last thing that they need, you know, the public opinion judging them. So I typically shy away from anything that could cause theories or speculation. And in Nancy's case, I guess I personally don't feel like the public knows too much only because, you know, not much has been released at this point. And it's, it's hard to say though, because we don't know a lot. But at the end of the day I feel like we do know a lot because it's such a high profile case already.
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Vanessa Richardson
So just the facts, you know, just stick with the facts. I think that's an important, very, very good. And Sarah, I know you have a Relationship with Gabby Petito's family. Could you tell us a little about how you connected and what that relationship means to you?
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Sarah Turney
Of course, Yeah. I mean, you know, we connected through social media like so many families do these days. And, you know, they're helping me coordinate a search for my sister. And that relationship, I mean, is priceless to me to have that type of support from people who know what I'm going through. Again, like, I just couldn't ask for a better team in my corner.
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Vanessa Richardson
That's amazing. And for both of you, you know, having been so close to something so traumatic in your family, does this bring up a lot of feelings for you to see? I mean, this is such a public personality whose mother now has been, you know, basically is missing. How does this feel? You know, and I know there's so many cases that you've, that you've dealt with over the years, but how does this one, I guess, affect you guys?
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Courtney Nicole
Yeah, I would say this one, it hits a little bit close to home and it makes me feel like a sense of connection with them only because, you know, I wasn't alive when the crime was committed in my family. But it's not, you know, the same circumstances, it's obviously very different. But when you have somebody goes missing like that, especially, you know, an elderly woman who, you know, would never obviously just walk away on their own, it can cause a lot of trauma and panic and you tend to feel really alone. And so I guess I would feel a sense of connection in that way. Yeah.
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Sarah Turney
I mean, you know, when I was watching that video, I was just sobbing. You know, I'm not gonna lie. It's so hard to see. And it just breaks my heart because you have this family and you know, this news reporter who hasn't gone through this before. And as much as I would love, you know, for everyone to understand true crime on a deeper level, I never want it to happen to anyone else. So it's just heartbreaking.
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Vanessa Richardson
Absolutely. That has to touch you. It touches me. And I haven't experienced anything like that, so. But if we really strip down the information we do have available. So an 84 year old woman is missing and was likely abducted from her home in the night. We can pretty much be sure of that. Her daughter is a public figure and their family is desperate for answers. What could this be? There's no motive or suspects listed yet, but from what we do know so far, does this feel financially driven, do you think? Is it personal or is there just not enough information yet to speculate?
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Courtney Nicole
I Feel like I never love to speculate, although in some cases, especially when time is of the essence, it could help just to kind of get a pair of fresh eyes to look at it from an outside perspective. If I'm going based off of just what I see in the facts that I've been told, I do feel like it could be financially driven only because of the family itself. Like, her daughter is, you know, a co anchor of the Today show. She's obviously very successful and well known. And then, you know, if you take a look at her house, it's a stunning, you know, huge house. So she. So Nancy's obviously very successful as well. And then I think I mentioned this, I wanted to mention this earlier. I never mentioned it, but I wanted to mention it. Just looking at pictures of her house, it seems a little bit isolated. Lots of trees. Like you can definitely tell there's neighbors nearby, but there's lots of trees, lots of bushes, lots of places for people to hide. So I guess going off of what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing, I do feel like it could be financially. Financially driven.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah. I mean, and I'm like, court, I don't love to speculate, but at this point I think it's pretty obvious. Right. This is the mother of a very public figure. You know, they appear to be asking for a large amount of money. I do have to conclude that it's likely financially motivated. And again, I just hope that they get those answers soon.
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Vanessa Richardson
Absolutely. And I'm sure, I know detectives are searching, you know, hopefully leave no stone unturned. Based on what's been released so far about Nancy's disappearance, what details feel most significant? I mentioned some earlier kind of the timeline. What feels significant to you both?
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Courtney Nicole
I think the, the two biggest things that feel significant to me are the apple or her apple devices being disconnected from her pacemaker around 2am I think that is very significant because a lot of the times in, in these cases, like, we don't have that piece of information, but it's an exact pinpoint where something definitely went wrong. And like I said, a lot of times we don't get that. So I guess it's a good, a good thing to have to kind of give police a timeline, I guess, to establish a timeline. And then the other thing that I think is really significant is the dried blood droplets on her front porch, like leading into her house. It's already been established that that blood matches to Nancy, but obviously, you know, looking at it, if it wasn't there before she disappeared, There should be no reason why it's there now. And so it's a clear indicator that something is very, very wrong.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, I mean, I have to agree with Cord. I think that, you know, by far, those are the most significant, you know, pieces of evidence that we have right now and hopefully help establish that timeline to, you know, bring her home.
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Vanessa Richardson
Definitely. So, like I mentioned before, I've never gone through this type of thing. I go numb thinking about my mom, you know, suddenly disappearing and having no idea where she is. And what is a common misconception about what families are going through in moments like this?
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Courtney Nicole
I think it's really easy to say, as someone watching families go through this, what they should or shouldn't be doing or how they should or shouldn't be acting. And so, you know, conversations like that can be really harmful because there's really no right or wrong way to handle this type of situation or to grieve. So to sit there and say that, you know, you would do something different in these times or, you know, you wouldn't have an interview, or you would have an interview, you know, discussing the case, you know, at the end of the day, you genuinely don't know how you would feel or how you would act until you go through something like this, which is something I wouldn't wish on my own enemy, you know, my own worst enemy. I would not wish that. So it's just a big, you know, misconception to say that families should be acting a certain way.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, a thousand percent. I mean, I think another thing that sticks out to me in terms of misconceptions, you know, just some chatter I've seen online is, you know, this family has money. Why aren't they paying the ransom? And so I just kind of wanted to circle back to, you know, families have to cooperate with police. And I think one of the misconceptions is that, you know, some families have complete control over cases. And so, you know, before you judge this family, I just ask that you take a moment to reflect on that, that possibly there are, you know, circumstances outside of their control, perhaps law enforcement, you know, restraining them, if you will, from paying this ransom. So there's probably so much going on behind the scenes that we don't know. And I think at this time, we just need to share the case, raise awareness, and be patient.
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Courtney Nicole
Yeah, I agree. I feel like I totally get why they would be hesitant in the first place to pay this, only because in today's day and age, like, there is so much AI and like, doctored stuff out there. Like, I would not be quick to pay that either, especially when it's not confirmed. If this is like a valid, you know, true ransom note.
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Sarah Turney
Right. And like I said, you know, the family may not even have the option to do that. You know, for all we know, that could have gone right to law enforcement and they don't have the information to, you know, transfer the bitcoin.
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Vanessa Richardson
Absolutely. As you both have mentioned, there's so much we don't know and there's so much happening behind the scenes and we don't know. You know, unless we're in this family's shoes, it's impossible to judge. So that's really well said. Thank you both so much. When we come back, more on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.
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Vanessa Richardson
Serial Killers and Murderous Minds is a crime House Studios original new episodes drop every Monday and Thursday. Follow wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to crime house 24 7. We're discussing the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Well, I'm sure I know you both have seen Savannah's and her family's Instagram video pleading for whoever took their mom to please return her safely and let them know, give them proof that she's safe, you know, within a world of AI as you mentioned earlier, Court, it's very easy to fake things. And Sarah, I think you mentioned it as well. The sheriff, Sheriff Nanos announced that a ransom Note has a 5pm deadline on February 5th. So the note demanded millions of dollars in bitcoin, but no point of contact was listed. So what do you make of this?
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Courtney Nicole
I guess for me, you know, I don't have any investigative training, but for me that kind of points to this being, you know, not a valid, not a real, you know, ransom note. Because one of the things that this family required was specific proof of life of their mom. And if this person is not willing to give that and they're not even leaving a point of contact to you, get them this. Millions of dollars of bitcoin. It seems like it's. It's just kind of a ploy for attention, in my opinion.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, I, I mean, I think it's hard to say and I think it just shows, you know, the double edged sword of media attention. You know, could this be a hoax? A very, very cruel hoax? It, it seems like it could be. And I, I just can't even imagine what this family is going through. I, I'm sure that they hope that it's real. Right? They want their mom to be out there alive. They want it to be as simple as paying this ransom and getting her back. But without the contact information, I am skeptical.
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Courtney Nicole
I know part of me wants it to be real as well. Even though that sounds really weird to say. Like, obviously you never wish harm on anybody and you just wish that they weren't even in this situation to begin with. But yeah, time and time again, I've covered so many cases where, you know, there are ransom notes that turned out to be hoaxes and it's just a horrible thing for anyone to do. And I just can't imagine, you know, putting a family who is already grieving, who is already grieving, who is already going through the worst possible situation of their entire life into giving them this glimmer of hope that things will be okay.
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Sarah Turney
Exactly. I see cases all the time with hoaxes. I mean, my sister's case, you know, we've had a handful of hoaxes, and I can tell you that it just. It's this combination of hope and just despair.
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Vanessa Richardson
Oh, it's just cruel. It sounds absolutely cruel. I don't understand sometimes. I don't know he. Why humans do the things they do. I really don't understand it. Well, thank you both so much. Any. Any final thoughts before we sign off today?
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Courtney Nicole
My final thoughts would just be that I want this family to know that we are here for them and we, you know, relate to them and we see them. Overall, I just hope that Nancy will be brought home safe and be found safe soon.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, same here. I just want to send them so much love and, you know, I'm so sorry that they're now a part of this club that nobody wants to be a part of.
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Vanessa Richardson
Well, if anyone listening has any information regarding the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, please call 1-800-call FBI or contact the Pima County Sheriff's Office at 520-351-4900. Courtney and Sarah, thank you both so much for joining me on crime house 24 7. You're in. Insights into this case, from the investigative side to the deeply personal side, just brings so much, adds so much clarity to a case that's still unfolding. And we really appreciate you taking the time to share your perspectives.
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Courtney Nicole
Thank you so much for having us on.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, of course. Thank you.
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Courtney Nicole
We hope that we could, you know, provide some. Some sort of additional insight into this. This crazy and heartbreaking case.
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Vanessa Richardson
Absolutely. And for those listening at home, be sure to follow Sarah and and Courtney's podcast. The final hours on Apple podcasts and Spotify. Episode one drops February 23rd. You won't want to miss it.
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