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Vanessa Richardson
Hi listeners, it's Vanessa Richardson. Real quick, before today's episode, I want to tell you about another show from Crime House that I know you'll love. America's Most Infamous Crimes. Hosted by Katie Ring. Each week, Katie takes on one of the most notorious criminal cases in American history. Serial killers who terrorized cities, unsolved mysteries that keep detectives up at night, and investigations that that change the way we think about justice. Listen to and follow America's Most Infamous crimes Tuesday through Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Kevin Klein
This is Crime House.
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Vanessa Richardson
Good morning everyone. We have multiple breaking true crime cases this morning that you need to know about. And we're starting with the biggest one. Five months after director Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle were found murdered in their Brentwood home, their son Jake is breaking his silence on camera for the first time. And the bond that's keeping him going might surprise you. This is crime house 24 7, your non stop source for the biggest crime cases developing right now. Make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Vanessa Richardson and we have quite a lineup for you today. Here's what you need to know. Lately I've been trying to take the stress out of getting dressed. Just focusing on pieces that feel easy, comfortable and still put together without a lot of effort. That's really what's been pulling me toward quints. Their stuff just fits that effortless everyday vibe. I love their fabrics, linens, cottons, cashmere. 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If you've been following this case, you know the basics. In December of last year, Hollywood director 78 year old Rob Reiner and his wife, 70 year old Michelle Singer Reiner were found stabbed to death in inside their Brentwood, California home. Their son, 32 year old Nick Reiner was arrested within hours and has since been charged with two counts of first degree murder. He has pleaded not guilty and his trial is currently scheduled for this fall. But this week the focus is on their other son, 35 year old Jake Reiner, as on May 8th he made his first on camera appearance since his parents deaths. To understand why this moment matters, it helps to understand who Rob and Michelle Reiner were. Not just publicly, but to their family. Rob of course was best known as the director behind When Harry Met Sally, A Few Good Men and Stand By Me and before that as a fan favorite on all in the Family. But to Jake, he was something simpler and more irreplaceable than any of that. He was the guy. He went to Dodgers games with a lot of them, at least 25 to 40 games a year by Rob's own count. They talked about the team daily. The Dodgers were their language. So when Jake launched a podcast called the Incline Dodgers Podcast, co hosting with Kevin Klein, it wasn't just a hobby project. It was in many ways an extension of that relationship with his dad. And then December 14, 2025 happened. Jake was across the city that afternoon at Union Station attending a celebration of life for one of his closest friends, Christian Anderson, who had died in October. It was there that his sister, 28 year old Romy Reiner him their father was dead. Minutes later she called again. Their mother was gone too. He wrote about the ride home afterward, a 45 minute lift back to the west side that he described as unendurable. His world, he said, had collapsed. He was in a trance. The only thing he could focus on was getting to his childhood home, getting to his sister and trying to understand what had just happened. What had happened, according to prosecutors, is that the night before the murders, on Saturday, December 13, Rob and Michelle attended a holiday party at Conan O' Brien's home. Nick was also there. According to multiple sources who spoke to outlets including the Los Angeles Times and NBC News, Nick got into a loud, heated argument with his father at the party and his behavior alarmed other guests throughout the night. One source described him as freaking everyone out, acting crazy, and said he was approaching guests and asking if they were famous. There was also a reported incident with comedian Bill Hader in which Nick interrupted a private conversation and when told to give them space, allegedly stood still, stared and then stormed off. Rob and Michelle were said to have left the party upset and embarrassed and reportedly expressed concern about their son's mental state to others there. The family had in fact been increasingly worried about Nick's mental health in the weeks leading up to that night. The following afternoon, Sunday, December 14, it was Romy, Rob and Michelle's youngest daughter, who discovered her father's body in the master bedroom of the family's Brentwood home on Shadbourne avenue. Her roommate called 91 1. At approximately 3:38pm Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics arrived and found both Rob and Michelle dead inside. There were no signs of forced entry. The Los Angeles county medical examiner later confirmed the cause of death for both as multiple sharp force injuries, meaning they were stabbed. Prosecutors have said the killings occurred in the early morning hours of December 14, meaning several hours passed between the murders and when the bodies were found. Shortly after Romy fled the house, she reached out to family and friends, Billy Crystal and his wife Janice, who came to the scene as emergency services responded. Romy reportedly did not know her mother was also dead until paramedics arrived. Nick was later found and taken into custody. That same evening, approximately nine hours after the killings, LAPD officers located him in the Exposition park neighborhood near the intersection of Exposition Boulevard and Vermont Avenue, about 15 miles from the family's Brentwood home. Security camera footage obtained by NBC Los Angeles showed the moment four police vehicles confronted him as he walked across the street at around 9:15pm he was booked into custody in the early hours of December 15th. He was initially held on $4 million bail before prosecutors moved to have him held without bail entirely. Now Nick is eligible for the death penalty under California law. District Attorney Nathan Hockman has said publicly that the question of whether to pursue capital punishment is still an ongoing process and that his office has invited the defense to weigh in before any final decision is made. It's also worth noting that Nick's mental health history is expected to factor heavily into the case. He's previously been treated for psychiatric disorders, including schizophrenia, and reports indicate his medication regimen had been changed prior to his parents deaths. For months after the murders, Jake stayed out of the public eye entirely. That's not hard to understand. The grief alone would be enough to flatten anyone. And this wasn't ordinary grief. This was losing both parents at once, violently, with no warning. And the person accused of killing them is someone Jake grew up with, someone who sat around the same dinner table. He called it his living nightmare. He wrote that he still woke up every morning having to convince himself it wasn't a dream. Then in April, he took a step before he was willing to do anything else, before he'd go back on the podcast, before he'd make any kind of public appearance, he said he needed to write. He published a long personal essay on his substack page. And he was deliberate about the order of things. The essay had to come first. He needed to put his own words out there on his own terms, about who his parents actually were at home. Not the filmmaker, not the public figure, the people. He wrote about his mother and father as his guiding lights, the foundation of who he is. He wrote about the Dodgers and about how he'll never sit inside Dodger Stadium again without feeling his dad's presence and hearing his voice. He wrote about what was stolen from him, that his parents won't be at his wedding, won't hold, told their future grandchildren, won't see him reach the career he's still building. He wrote, it simultaneously breaks my heart and enrages me. He ended the essay with something close to a plea. He wrote, there's nothing anyone can say to someone living through this reality. All he asks for is love and compassion, the same principles his parents lived by then. On May 8, Jake Reiner returned to the Incline Dodgers podcast, his first time on camera since his parents parents were killed. His co host welcomed him back at the top of the episode, and Jake didn't waste any time getting to it. He said, I'm honored to be back. It's been a long time coming. He thanked everyone who'd reached out. Since December, he said he's tried to get back to every single person and he wants them to know he's seen every message, every gesture of support. He said, I really feel the love. He was so clear about why he'd waited and why he'd done the essay first. He said he didn't feel right coming back to talk about the Dodgers offensive woes or bullpen struggles without addressing everything that had happened. And then he brought it back to baseball. Or rather, he brought it back to his dad. Jake said, quote, when it comes to the Dodgers, it's something that I've always connected with my dad first and foremost, and it's something that I will continue to connect with him for the rest of my life. End quote. There's something worth sitting in that. Jake Reiner lost both of his parents in an act of violence with his brother facing trial for their murders. And the thing that pulls him back, back to the microphone, back to the world, back to something that feels like himself, is a baseball podcast, the thing he built in part because of how much he and his father loved the Dodgers. Nick Reiner has pleaded not guilty to the murders of Rob and Michelle Reine. Nick's siblings have also reportedly stopped paying for his murder defense. His trial is scheduled for this fall. Some cases break open in real time right in front of the public eye. Others take 40 years, a wrongful conviction and a fugitive hiding in another country before the truth finally catches up. Next, we dive into the story of a 16 year old girl in Texas who never made it home from a walk to the convenience store.
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Vanessa Richardson
It was the evening of September 27, 1986 in Porter, Texas, a small community in Montgomery county just north of Houston, 16 year old Deanna Ogg, who was a student at New Caney High School, left her home and started walking toward a convenience store at the intersection of FM 1314 and sauders. She was looking for a ride to a family gathering. It was the kind of errand that should have taken no time at all. A few hours later, her body was found in a heavily wooded area off Old Houston Road in Conroe, about seven miles from where she'd last been seen. She'd been sexually assaulted, beaten and fatally stabbed. The case moved quickly, at least at first. Within a month of Deanna's death, investigators arrested a male suspect. He was prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison. From the outside, it looked like justice had been served. It hadn't been. As DNA technology advanced in the years that followed, investigators went back to the evidence from Deanna's case and ran updated testing. The results were unambiguous. The convicted man's DNA did not match. He was innocent. He was exonerated and released. A man who had lost years of his life to a crime he didn't commit. And the person who actually killed Deanna Ogg walked with more time. Deanna's case went cold. Investigators kept working it, kept looking for leads, but nothing broke. Her family waited. The file stayed open. Then, In March of 2020, the Texas Rangers identified Deanna's case as a candidate for the sexual assault kit initiative. Also known as saki, the program is funded by the US Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice assistance and is specifically designed to support law enforcement agencies pursuing unsol sexual assaults and sexually motivated homicides across the country. It's one of the reasons cases like Deanna's have a real second chance even decades later. In 2021, previously exhausted evidence from her case was submitted to Bode Technology, a forensic lab that specializes in advanced DNA analysis and genetic genealogy research. The goal was to take what little physical evidence remained and run it through methods that simply hadn't existed in 1986 or even in the years immediately following the exoneration in 2024. It worked. The advanced DNA testing and genealogy research came back pointing to a specific name, Bobby Charles Taylor Senior. And when investigators say the DNA evidence was conclusive, that's an understatement. According to authorities, the match probably was 1 in 27 octillion, a number so large that officials noted you would need thousands of times the current population of earth defined a second person with the same profile. 60 year old Taylor wasn't just a suspect in Deanna's murder, he was already a fugitive. He had an unrelated felony warrant out against him in the United States, and he had crossed into Mexico, where he had apparently been living and evading law enforcement for some time. He hadn't just gotten away with killing a 16 year old girl, he'd spent years actively hiding. What followed was a coordinated, multi agency effort to bring him back. The Texas Rangers worked alongside the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office and the FBI to locate Taylor and build the legal framework needed to extradite him. It took time, but on April 24, 2026, nearly 40 years after Deanna Ogg never made it home, Bobby Charles Taylor Sr. Surrendered to FBI Special Agents in Mexico City. He was extradited to Texas next day. On May 4, 2026, Taylor was formally charged with capital murder in connection with Deanna's death. He's currently being held at the Montgomery County Jail awaiting trial. And that's worth pausing on. Deanna Ogg was killed in 1986. The real suspect spent decades free and then fled the country. And the reason any of this finally changed is because the science caught up to what investigators had long suspected that the right answer was buried in biological evidence waiting for the tools to find it. For the Og family, who spent four decades without justice and who watched the case stall for years, this arrest is a long time coming. A capital murder charge means prosecutors could pursue the death penalty, though no further details on that front have been made public. As of this recording, Bobby Charles Taylor Sr. Has not yet entered a plea. Again, Deanna ogg was just 16 years old and she would be in her mid-50s today. She deserved to make it home that night. But after 40 years, there is finally a name attached to what happened to her. There is finally an arrest and as always, we will continue to follow this case as it moves forward to trial.
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Sarah Turney
in the suburbs of D.C. a woman fails to show up for work and is found brutally murdered. 911 what's emergency?
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Kevin Klein
We just walked in the door and there's blood in the foyer.
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Vanessa Richardson
For the next two decades the case
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Sarah Turney
remained unsolved until new technology allowed investigators
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Vanessa Richardson
to do what had once been impossible. A new series from ABC audio in 2020 blood and water. Listen now now wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, before I let you go, you know we can't end without giving you a little something extra. Over on the Final Hours today, Sarah and Courtney are diving into the case of Kurt Sova. The Last Halloween party in October 1981, 17 year old Kurt Sova stepped outside a Halloween party in Cleveland to get some fresh air while his friend ran back in for their jackets. By the time that friend returned two minutes later, Kurt was gone. Five days later, his body was found in a nearby ravine, posed with his arms outstretched and both shoes missing with no clear cause of death. Decades later, the police department that botched the investigation has been exposed for corruption. Trust me, you're going to want to hear this one. We grabbed a clip from today's episode. Take a listen and if you like the episode, don't forget to follow the final hours.
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Kevin Klein
It's 1981. 17 year old Kurt Sova is a part of a very tight knit family. His mom, 43 year old Dorothy and his dad, 48 year old Ken are raising four boys. 22 year old Kevin, 21 year old Kenny, 20 year old Keith, and finally Kurt. Which has gotta be a challenge because the sofas never had much money. So growing up in Cleveland, Ohio, all four boys shared one room. They had a triple decker bunk bed With a trundle bed that pulled out at the very bottom, and the spots weren't assigned, so they would fight over who slept where. The last brother in the room was usually stuck with the bed nobody else wanted, and that was usually Kurt, because he was the smallest. In fact, when Kurt was little, they nicknamed him Mouse because he made this squeaking noise that cracked everyone up. He was a comedian, someone who loved to bring joy and laughter. But it's possible that Kurt's sense of humor got him into trouble sometimes. At least the boys knew how to look out for each other, though. And since Kurt was the youngest, he got the most protection. The sofas could roughhouse with each other all day, but they wouldn't stand for anyone else hurting one of their own. And that was a good thing, because as the boys got older, their neighborhood got a bit rougher as more wealth and families moved to the suburbs. Dorothy and Ken wanted to get out as well, but by the time they decided to leave, they couldn't sell their house. So they stayed until they were burned out of the neighborhood.
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Sarah Turney
Sarah means that literally. In 1975, when Kurt was 10 or 11, the Sova family went to visit Kurt's grandparents. And while they were out, somebody broke into their house and set it on fire. I feel like when you grow up in a neighborhood that is not the best. It does shape you once you become, like, an adult. Now, I will always lock my doors the second I get home. Or, like, the second I get into the car, I lock the doors, even if I'm just sitting in the store parking lot.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah, I can't relate to not locking doors. I've been this way my whole life. I also saw, like, people around me not have that same experience. You know, they succumb to the bad parts of growing up that way. So I think it truly just depends on the person. Some people sink and some people swim, depending on the circumstance.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah, that's a really good way to look at it. People don't really think about the kids specifically, like, in these types of neighborhoods where Kurt is living. Like, I feel like it could affect the kids when you have, I guess, all of the families kind of moving out to the suburbs. The families that are left behind, they often get overlooked. And in terms of when it comes to, like, law enforcement or, like, the government, I feel like they're not paying attention to these. These smaller communities that are, like, rougher, so to speak, compared to, like, other neighborhoods that are wealthier, which is really unfortunate. Like, I just feel like they don't Give a lot of resources to those specific communities.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah. Well, we know that with more money comes more resources from the police. Right. There are studies to back that up. It's not just like an opinion thing. It's a matter of priority, unfortun, unfortunately for a lot of these departments. So I'm right there with you. It seems incredibly unfair, especially when we're talking about kids who don't really have a say in where they live.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah. They're just stuck there. And I feel like that is. It's just really unfortunate.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, childhood shapes your whole life so much. So it's insane what, you know, growing up in a certain neighborhood around a certain group of kids might do to you.
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Sarah Turney
I know, I know in some cases, like, that could really shape the kids. In others, I feel like maybe they don't pay attention to it as much as we all think. Like, I don't know, sometimes you're just. You just don't pay attention to things like that when you're, like a little kid. When you're really little, I feel like it's sometimes things that you can overlook because you're little and you're just like a kid, like, having fun. Like it doesn't bother you because you think. I mean, it's like just normal to you. Yeah. Other times, you know, it could really affect your mindset and, like your circumstances.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah, I agree. Especially when they're really little. Right. I think that there's a way to speak to your kids so that they don't realize perhaps that they don't have as much as the next person. Thankfully, later that year, in 1975, Dorothy and Ken found a new place in a quieter neighborhood. It was the southeast side of Cleveland called Slavic Village. Life was feeling safe and happy again. The boys made a lot of new friends, and the Sovas did more activities as a family. Together, they filled their days with pre Internet pastimes. Sitting outside the airport, watching the planes come in, going to see, drive in movies, watching their dad race stock cars. One of their favorite things to do was go camping. Kurt loved to fish, and some of the other boys hunted. Their family also owned a farm outside of town where they rode horses and played with the chickens and pigs. Kurt just wasn't an outdoorsy kid. Though he and Dorothy had a really close bond, she always thought of him as her baby. And even throughout his teens, he loved to keep her company on errands and shopping trips. That meant Dorothy kept a close eye on Kurt and pampered him maybe a bit More than the rest. But that also meant he was kept on a tighter leash. Kurt wasn't allowed to go out very far on his own. But his two best friends lived within walking distance on the same street. John Miller and Danny Washington. They were so inseparable, the sofas called them the three musketeers. But like a lot of kids do, Kurt started pushing boundaries and experimenting as he got older. Every once in a while, he smoked a joint or had a beer with his brothers. Sometimes he drank with his friends on the weekend, but it wasn't really his thing. He'd rather be fishing or at home playing guitar. Those were the things that really made him happy. Well, that and football. In the fall of 1981, 17 year old Kurt started 11th grade at South High School. He was an above average student, artistic and athletic, and he really wanted to play varsity football. But he couldn't try out for the team that year because of a knee injury, which meant he had a lot of time for other extracurricular activities. And his circle of friends started to expand and evolve. The Silvas no longer knew everyone Kurt was hanging out with, which wasn't exactly a problem until Friday, October 23, 1981.
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Sarah Turney
So this is where things take a turn. That day, Kurt makes the uncharacteristic decision to skip school. Instead, he goes to a liquor store and talks an adult into buying him Everclear, a 190 proof liquor that's since been banned in Ohio. Kurt spends the afternoon drinking at a girl's place. Not his old pals Danny or John. Someone new. That evening, Kurt plans on heading to a carnival. But instead he joins a high school friend named Samuel C. Carroll for a Halloween party.
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Kevin Klein
I just want to pause here to say it's always these last minute change of plans that stick with me. I can't help but wonder if we would even be talking about this case today. Had Kurt just stuck to his original idea to go to the carnival?
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Sarah Turney
Sarah, I feel the exact same way. But whatever Kurt was expecting to get into that night, I don't think he was anticipating what came next. See, the party is less than two miles from Kurt's house at a duplex in suburban Newburgh Heights. Sam knows the host, Debbie Sams, who shares the upstairs unit with her brother Clayton and another female roommate. In some of our research, she was referred to by different names, but we'll call her Missy. Kurt doesn't really know anyone at the party and a lot of the guests are older. But he keeps drinking throughout the night. And at five'11 and only £136. He doesn't have the highest alcohol tolerance. So it's not long before Kurt's stumbling around, knocking things over and making a bit of a scene. Then he gets sick. Missy asks Sam to get Kurt out of the house. So Sam helps Kurt down the stairs and takes him outside for some fresh air.
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Kevin Klein
I think a lot of us can relate to that moment. Like, one of the first times, and who knows with Kurt, right? But I'm assuming one of the first times where he drinks too much and he gets sick. It's so sad to see.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah. I feel like even well into adulthood, like, you may get, like, a better understanding of your alcohol limit, but, like. Like, you truly never know when it comes to drinking alcohol, especially not a young kid like Kurt.
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Kevin Klein
I mean, it's not a perfect science. And everybody reacts differently to alcohol. Right. It depends on, you know, your weight, your height, but also, like, did you eat that day? There's a million different factors.
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Sarah Turney
I think what's really scary to me is, like, Kurt is getting to the point where he is. I mean, it seems like he's pretty intoxicated. He's. He's getting sick. Um, but he's in this house. He's. He's surrounded by people that he doesn't really know. And I think that makes him pretty vulnerable.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah. I mean, especially when you get to that level where you're sick and you, you know, mostly can't take care of yourself, I'm assuming, and you're just past that point of reason. And it's definitely when scary things can happen.
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Sarah Turney
Yeah. I mean, especially, like, with him. Like, he's kind of leaning on his new friends that he doesn't really know very well or. And in this case, like, maybe even strangers to help take care of him. And I think when your guard is down like that and you're intoxicated, it definitely opens up the opportunities for something really, really bad happen, unfortunately.
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Kevin Klein
Yeah. Especially at, like, a random house party. Right. You can think that you're surrounded by your peers and, you know, friends and people that, you know, even if it's for a short amount of time, you know, maybe you've grown close to them very quickly. I think that happens a lot when you're a kid. But anything can happen in a house party. And, you know, kids can do bad things, too. But it makes me wonder, you know, if something could have happened with an adult walking in. Like, that's my fear. Right. I'm not really super scared about the kids around him. Again, it can happen. I'm more afraid of when adults to enter that situation and see vulnerable children.
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Sarah Turney
Well, that night's a chilly one for October. Sam and Kurt spend 20 to 30 minutes pacing up and down the driveway trying to keep warm in T shirts and jeans. So around 9:30pm Sam decides to run back in to get their jackets. He leaves Kurt holding onto a chain link fence to keep himself steady. Two to three minutes later, Sam is back outside, but Kurt's nowhere to be found. And this isn't the kind of place you want to be stumbling around drunk. Debbie and Clayton live on a main road at the edge of a small residential area surrounded by businesses and industrial sites, so Sam goes off in search of his friend to make sure Kurt is okay. He works his way up and down nearby streets looking for Kurt, eventually coming to a parking lot at a nearby JL Goodman furniture warehouse just a block away from the party. When he can't find his missing friend anywhere, Sam assumes Kurt found a way home. In fact, Kurt disappeared so fast that Sam thinks someone must have picked him up in a car. So he goes back to the party. What he doesn't realize is he might have been one of the last people to see him alive.
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Vanessa Richardson
That's Sarah Turney and Courtney Nicole on the Final Hours. And that's just a taste. Their full episode on Kurt Sova is out right now on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Just search the final hours and make sure you follow if you like it so you don't miss any episodes. You've been listening to crime house 247 bringing you breaking crime news. I'm Vanessa Richardson. We'll be back Monday morning with more developing stories. Stay safe and thanks for listening. Your next chapter in healthcare starts at Carrington College's School of Nursing in Portland. Join us for our open house on Tuesday, January 13th from 4 to 7pm you'll tour our campus, see live demos,
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