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Hi listeners, it's Vanessa Richardson. Real quick, before today's episode, I want to tell you about another show from Crime House that I know you'll love. America's Most Infamous Crimes, hosted by Katie Ring. Each week Katie takes on one of the most notorious criminal cases in American history. Serial killers who terrorized cities, unsolved mysteries that keep detectives up at night, and investigations that that change the way we think about justice. Listen to and follow America's Most Infamous Crimes Tuesday through Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Crime House. Good morning everyone. We have multiple breaking developments this morning that you need to know about and and we're starting with the biggest one. A researcher who texted her friends that she would never kill herself was found dead in 2022. And now the FBI wants to know if her case is connected to a dozen other missing and dead American scientists. This is crime house 24. 7, your non stop source for the biggest crime cases developing right now. Make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Vanessa Richardson and we have quite a lineup for you today. Here's what you need to. Lately I've been trying to take the stress out of getting dressed. Just focusing on pieces that feel easy, comfortable and still put together without a lot of effort. That's really what's been pulling me toward quints. Their stuff just fits that effortless everyday vibe. I love their fabrics, linens, cottons, cashmere. They're all the highest quality and they feel so good. Their design is also simple in the best way. Clean silhouettes, neutral tones and pieces that don't require ton of styling to feel finished. I've been reaching for their staples a lot because they make it easy to get out the door quickly while still feeling like everything's intentional. 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FBI Director Cash Patel confirmed publicly this week that his agency will deliver a final report on the cases, and he says it's coming in short order. The probe now spans at least 11 individuals with ties to NASA, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the Air Force Research Laboratory, and other institutions at the heart of US national security work. President Trump called the pattern, in his words, pretty serious stuff. The House Oversight Committee has sent formal letters to the heads of the FBI, NASA, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Defense demanding answers. We've covered two of the highest profile cases in this investigation already. Retired Air Force Maj. Gen. William Neil McCasland, who vanished from his Albuquerque, New Mexico home on Feb. 27 and has not been found, and aerospace engineer Monica Jacinto Ressa, who disappeared on a hiking trail in the Angeles National Forest last June and whose body has never been recovered. Both remain open cases with no confirmed cause. But this week a new name moved to the center of the story. And her case is in some ways the most unsettling of all because 34 year old Amy Eskridge saw it coming. She said so out loud. She recorded it, she put it in writing, and then she died anyway. We Start in Huntsville, Alabama. Huntsville is a city built around aerospace and defense. NASA's Marshall Space Flight center anchors the Tennessee Valley community, surrounded by a dense ecosystem of contractors, research labs and engineers working on programs they're not allowed to discuss publicly. Amy Eskridge grew up in that world, the daughter of a retired NASA engineer named Richard Eskridge, and she was determined to change it. Eskridge graduated from the University of Alabama in Huntsville with a double major in chemistry and biology. She went on to build expertise across electrical engineering, chemistry, physics and genetic engineering. By 2018, she was presenting publicly on anti gravity technology, a method of manipulating or counteracting the effects of gravity, at Huntsville Aerospace Forums alongside her father. By 2020, she had co founded and was serving as president and chair of the Institute for Exotic sc, a non profit she described as a public facing vehicle for disclosing gravity modification research. She and her father also ran a company called Holocron Engineering focused on quantum computing, gravity modification and metamaterial science. She was not a fringe figure operating in obscurity. She had a professional network Institutional affiliations and a documented research history. And she was fully aware of what going public with unconventional research could cost her. In a 2020 podcast interview, she was direct about it. She said, quote, we discovered anti gravity and our lives went to hell. It's harassment, threats. It is awful. She also added, quote, if you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off. If you stick your neck out in private, they will bury you, end quote. In the same interview, she said she intended to present new foundational research on anti gravity that year, but needed authorization from NASA before doing, and that she had to publish because things were going to get worse until she did. Around the same period, Eskridge told friends and contacts that she believed she was being physically targeted. She connected on social media with a former British intelligence officer named Frank Milburn, and the two became what Milburgh described as pen pals. Over the course of their correspondence, Eskridge sent him photographs of her hands, visibly discolored, marked with what she described as burns. She told him she was experiencing a directed energy weapon attack, both physically, physical and psychological. Video footage of Eskridge that resurfaced publicly in late April of this year shows her on camera describing her hands as burned to hell and back and saying she was being monitored remotely through what she believed was an RF emitter, which is an electronic device that generates electromagnetic waves to transmit data or signals wirelessly. Milburn told news station he believed she was being targeted because her propulsion research threatened the financial interests of those invested in conventional rocket rocketry. On or around May 13, 2022, approximately one month before her death, Eskridge sent text messages to friends and contacts that have since been shared publicly. The messages read, if you see any report that I killed myself, I most definitely did not. If you see any report that I overdosed, I most definitely did not. If anything happens to me, suicide or an accident, it wasn't, treat it as suspicious. On June 11, 2022, at 34 years old, Amy Eskridge was found dead in Huntsville, Alabama. Her death was officially ruled a suicide by a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. No public investigative report was released by police or the medical examiner at the time. After her death, the Institute for Exotic Sciences website went offline and has not returned. Her father, Richard Eskridge, has said publicly he does not believe his daughter's death was suspicious. He news station quote, scientists die also just like other people, end quote. But her case is now formally part of the FBI inquiry. Former FBI Special Agent in charge Andrew Black told News Nation this week that the fact her parents may feel she did commit suicide does not mean the other things she reported were not true. Congressman Eric Burleson of Missouri has said publicly that he believes there is significant evidence Eskridge was targeted by a directed energy weapon. The phenomenon sometimes referred to as Havana Syndrome, a set of unexplained neurological symptoms first reported among U.S. embassy officials in Cuba about a decade ago. No U.S. government agency has ever definitively attributed those symptoms to any specific weapon or device. What the government has acknowledged is this Havana Syndrome is real enough to have prompted a federal response. The CIA, the State Department, and the Defense Department have all investigated clusters of reported cases among U.S. personnel stationed overseas. A 2022 report from the National Academies of Science found that directed pulsed radio frequency energy was the most plausible mechanism to explain the most severe cases. Congress passed the Havana act in 2021 authorizing compensation payments to affected government employees. None of that confirms what happened to Amy Eskridge, and her case has never been officially linked to any foreign actor or government program. But it does establish that the technology she claimed was being used against her science fiction. It's been acknowledged, studied and legislated around at the highest levels of the US Government. That's the context her friends and colleagues say deserves more scrutiny now that her name is on a federal list. The official ruling has not changed. Amy Eskridge's death remains classified as a suicide, but she's now on the federal list. Her case is part of the House Oversight Committee inquiry, and the warnings she recorded and texted in the final weeks of her life are part of the public record. As of today, no evidence of foul play has been publicly confirmed. Her case, like McCaslin's and Raisa's, remains open. Stay with us after the break. A man who spent 30 years warning the world that people like Amy Eskridge were being silenced became just 10 days ago the latest name attached to this story. For a lot of people, the hardest part about weight loss isn't getting started. 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David Wilcox spent three decades telling anyone who would listen that governments were hiding the truth about UFOs, about advanced technology, about what happens to the people who get too close to the truth. He built a following of hundreds of thousands of people around that message, and two days before he died, he sat in front of a camera for three and a half hours and told his audience and every day that I have on Earth is a gift and a blessing, and I am grateful for that because, frankly, people are disappearing. On April 20, 2026, David Wilcock died outside his home near Nederland, Colorado. He was 53 years old. His death was ruled a suicide, and his own family confirmed it. Wilcock was born on March 8, 1973, in Rotterdam, New York. His father, Donald, was a journalist who wrote a biography of blues musician Buddy Guy. By his family's account, David was a curious, sensitive, introspective kid who loved reading, journaling and asking questions about how the universe works. He graduated from the State University of New York at new Paltz in 1995 with a degree in psychology. He briefly worked at a psychiatric hospital before his path shifted dramatically toward the paranormal and the metaphysical. He became, over the following two decades, one of the most recognizable names in UFO and disclosure culture. He wrote five books, several of which reached the New York Times bestseller list including the Source Field Investigations and the Ascension Mysteries. He co authored a sixth, the Reincarnation of Edgar Casey, in which he advanced the theory that he was himself a reincarnation of the early 20th century American clairvoyant known as the Sleeping Prophet. He appeared in over 600 television episodes, most prominently as a recur presence on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens, where he served as a consulting producer. Beginning in 2013, he hosted Wisdom Teachings with David Wilcock on Gaia TV. From 2015 to 2018, he co hosted Cosmic Disclosure on the same platform alongside researcher Corey Good, exploring claims about secret space programs. His YouTube channel accumulated more than 500,000 subscribers. His public Persona was built on the idea that the UFO question was not just about about hidden government files. It was about humanity's spiritual awakening, about consciousness, about a larger cosmic order being concealed from the public. That framing made him something more than a standard conspiracy commentator. To a significant portion of his audience, he was a spiritual guide. His website, Divine Cosmos, offered teachings in what he described as soul growth, ascension, and the evolution of consciousness. He was in the world he inhabited, the person people turned to when they wanted someone to make sense of the things that didn't add up. He also, according to his family and the public record, carried a great deal of private pain. He battled depression for years. He faced what his family described as overwhelming financial debt. In his final conversation with Corey Good, he spoke about cyber stalkers who had, in his words, destroyed his life and urged his fans to report harassment to authorities. On April 18, two days before he died, Wilcock hosted that now widely discussed three and a half hour YouTube livestream. He spoke at length about the recent deaths of fellow researchers, including Ancient Aliens contributor Nick Pope, who had died earlier that month after announcing a stage 4 esophageal cancer diagnosis two months prior, and Swiss author Erich Von Daniken, who wrote Chariots of the Gods and died in January of this year. The night before his death on April 19, he posted on X My dear family, I am not yet sure if I am doing a show tomorrow. I have had some very intense stuff going on this weekend. I want you all to know how much I love and appreciate you. Always remember that the Creator is within and we live in a loving universe. On the morning of April 20th at 10:44, Boulder County Dispatch received a 911 call from a man who identified himself as David Wilcock. He told the dispatcher he needed to leave. He spoke about health issues and financial concerns. He would not confirm whether he was Armed deputies arrived at his home on Ridge Road near Nederland at 11:02am they found a man standing outside the residence holding a weapon. Within minutes, he used the weapon on himself. He was pronounced dead at the scene. Investigators found no one else on the property and no evidence of external involvement. Boulder county released a detailed timeline of events at the request of Wilcox family, who issued a statement confirming his identity and the circumstances of his death. It reads in part, quote, david Wilcock took his own Life on April 20, 2026, after a long struggle with depression and overwhelming financial debt. His family and chosen family hope this loss encourages more focused attention to mental health care access. End quote. The family also addressed the conspiracy theories that spread within hours of his death. Many who knew him from afar have speculated that there is a cover up involving his death, but we can assure you there was no foul play. Florida Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna was among the first public figures to respond, posting that she was praying for his family and the millions of lives he impacted. Tennessee Congressman Tim Burkitt, one of the most vocal lawmakers on the Missing Scientists investigation, said publicly he did not think the timing was a coincidence, though he stopped short of alleging foul play. The record is clear. David Wilcox's death has been confirmed as a suicide by the Boulder County Sheriff's Office and by his own family. What is also true is that his final broadcast was a warning about disappearing people and that his name has now, whatever the circumstances, become part of a story he spent his entire career tracking. The FBI report is coming and when it does, we will be here. Hi listeners, it's Vanessa Richardson. I wanted to take a brief moment to tell you about another show from Crime House that I know you'll love. America's Most Infamous Crimes. Hosted by Katie Ring. Each week, Katie takes on a notorious crime, whether unfolding now or etched into American history, revealing not just what happened, but how it forever changed our society. Serial killers who terrorized cities, unsolved mysteries that keep detectives up at night, and investigations that change the way we think about justice. Each case unfolds across multiple episodes, released every Tuesday through Thursday, from the first sign that something was wrong to the moment the truth came out or didn't. These are the stories behind the headlines. Listen to and follow America's Most infamous crimes Tuesday through Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Before you go, I also host another show right here at Crime House, and I want to make sure you're up to speed today on Serial Killers and Murderous Minds with Me and my co Host, forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels, we're concluding our deep dive into H.H. holmes. And it all comes down to the lie. Lies. Holmes spent years constructing an elaborate web. Grave robbing trap doors and a plot to fake his best friend's death for an insurance payout. But when those lies began to unravel, what they revealed was darker than anyone imagined. A man who saw everyone around him as expendable, even the people who loved him most. We grabbed a clip from today's episode. Take a listen and if you like what you hear, don't forget to follow serial killers and murderous minds wherever you Listen. It was September 1894, and Benjamin Peitzel and H.H. holmes had just pulled off their greatest insurance fraud scheme yet. They'd successfully faked Benjamin's death and collected the $10,000 insurance payout worth about $360,000 today. Holmes told Benjamin's wife Carrie that they'd used a body double in place of Benjamin. He promised that her husband wasn't really dead, he was just in height waiting. But Carrie needed to do exactly as Holmes said, otherwise Benjamin could be caught. If the authorities realized he was alive, he could get thrown in jail and the Peitzel family would be torn apart. Holmes told Carrie that when the time was right, he'd take her to meet Benjamin where he was hiding out. But for some reason, Holmes also insisted that some of Carrie's children travel with him instead of her. Her one of her daughters was already with him. 14 year old Alice had come along to Philadelphia with Holmes to identify Benjamin's body. But Holmes convinced Carrie to send two more of her children. So now Holmes was in charge of three of the Peitzel children, Alice as well as 12 year old Nelly and 8 year old Howard. Meanwhile, Carrie kept her baby and her eldest daughter with her back in St. Louis.
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So remember, Fidelity Insurance Company paid out the policy to Holmes because he was acting on behalf of Carrie, the legitimate claimant. And part of why that worked was because he used Benjamin's daughter Alice to identify the body. So having Benjamin's kids with him likely is practical and also about appearances. There might be some kind of expectation that if he was acting on behalf of the family, that he'd be caring for the family in the aftermath as well. I mean, having the children with him makes the situation, situation look more legitimate and more consistent with his story. Holmes has come under suspicion before and he subsequently refined his methods in an attempt to avoid that. It's also consistent with his need to maintain leverage and Control over Carrie, which is where we left off in episode one. He needs Kerry to stay compliant and quiet or everything he's doing can fall apart. He now has access to her children, the most important thing to her, and that can influence how anyone would respond. This is very calculating, manipulative, deceptive, and it's instrumental behavior.
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How do you think he was able to convince Carrie to hand over her children to him?
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To understand that, we have to really walk through what led her to that point, through Carrie's experience. So imagine you're Carrie. You're a mother of five. You're managing on your own while your husband is away, already under financial and likely emotional strain. Then you're told that your husband has died in a very tragic and horrific way. Shock can affect someone in a number of ways, emotionally and physically, and it can really narrow your thinking. But then just as you're starting to process the loss, just as you're telling your children about that loss and trying to prepare for what your life is going to become without your husband permanently there, you're shocked all over again because you're told that he's not in fact, dead, that this was all part of a plan. Then you're given money, you're promised a better life, and you're told that you'll see him again, quote, when it's safe and but only if you cooperate. That's incredibly disorienting. It's emotional whiplash. She went from shock to grief and then to relief. But all combined with confusion and now increasing dependence on Holmes, who is controlling all the information and at that point, her financial stability as well. And there are other pressures too. She's still managing five children alone, without any emotional or physical help from her husband, who. Who the children now believe more than likely is alive and who probably also want to see him for themselves. So if Holmes is saying that he's close to their father and he's promising to reunite them, that can be persuasive, not just for Carrie, but for their children, who recently thought that they'd never see him again, but now suddenly can. So from the outside, it might seem like an obvious risk, but from her position, she's making decisions within a reality that's very complex. There's a lot of pressure and urge urgency there. And that, coupled with these rapid fire emotions, can really narrow thinking drastically, Especially when you want to believe in hope and just want that sense of relief.
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Well, Holmes behavior only got more bizarre from there. Once he was in possession of the three children, he took them to Cincinnati he was also joined by his wife, Georgiana, who was actually his third wife, who he'd married while still being married to his first two wives. When Georgiana got to Cincinnati, she had no idea her husband was also harboring the Peitzel children. He kept them all in separate lodgings and made sure they never crossed paths. But before Carrie could join them, Holmes decided to pick up and move on. He told Carrie that Benjamin was actually in Indianapolis and to meet him and the kids there. From Indianapolis, they went to Detroit and then Toronto. Each time, Holmes claimed that Benjamin was just one city away. Way Homes was playing a complicated game, but he had to keep going because he'd gotten word that he was a wanted man. The man on Holmes tail was an insurance investigator named W.E. gary. He worked for Fidelity Mutual, which was the company that had paid out Benjamin's life insurance policy. The company had already moved on from the case, but Gary couldn't quite shake the feeling that something was off. So he took a second look. Holmes's story was that Benjamin was an inventor and he died in an accidental explosion. And while the elements of a lab accident were all there, it was too neat and tidy. To Gary, it just felt staged. He had a sinking feeling that there was a lot more to the story.
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Experienced investigators are good at noticing patterns. They've seen enough cases to recognize what's typical and what isn't. So when something feels off, that instinct can kick in. Oftentimes, it's warranted. But it's also common for some to confuse intuition with bias. Intuition is often grounded in experience, even if the person can't immediately articulate why. But it still needs to be tested. You can't prove anything on intuition alone. You need evidence. Bias, on the other hand, is when expectations start shaping how information is interpreted. When someone's investigating through a biased lens, they start looking for information that supports their suspicion while discounting any information information that doesn't. That's where it can become difficult for individuals looking in a biased lens to let go of their hunch. A valid instinct leads to testing and verifying the evidence. Bias leads to selective interpretation. Thankfully, though, this investigator has good intuition.
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It would seem Gary knew something was wrong. However, his company had already made its decision. Unless Gary had conclusive evidence, it was best to let things lie and not upset an already traumatized widow. But then something did come up. Gary was in St. Louis working another case when someone told him about a letter that had been intercepted from the train robber Marion Hedgepeth. Hedgepeth, aka the Handsome Bandit, was serving a 25 year sentence when H.H. holmes ended up in prison with him. Holmes had told Hedgepeth all about his insurance fraud scheme and cut him into it in exchange for an introduction to a lawyer. Lawyer. Hedgepeth had held up his end of the bargain, but Holmes had yet to make good on his. To get back at him, Hedgepeth was willing to tell anyone who would listen that Benjamin Peitzel's death was a hoax, but not in the way Gary believed. Hedgepeth had learned that Holmes wouldn't let Carrie Peitzel identify the body used to get the insurance payout. And in his mind that was because it was actually Benjamin. He figured that if Carrie saw her husband in the morgue, Holmes would go down for murder and insurance fraud. That's why he kept her away. But Hedgepath wasn't exactly reliable. He was always trying to find ways to reduce his sentence. So it's possible he made up the story to try to get some leniency. But Gary quickly ruled that out. Hedgepeth knew enough specifics to prove he had real information. So Gary brought the new information back to his boss.
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Is let's talk about trust and reliability because they're not the same, but they are both important. Trust is a decision or a judgment that's often influenced by belief, perception or experience, and in some cases emotion. Reliability is about consistency and accuracy and it's something we often measure over time. In psychology, when we're evaluating whether an assessment instrument is reliable, we administer it more than once to see if it produces consistent results over time. In forensic settings, when I interview a defendant, if they have inconsistent reporting styles or they're telling me information that's not consistent with their documented history, then they're not a reliable historian and I have to rely on collateral information more so than their self report. In people, it's about their pattern of behavior. In Hedgepeth's case, his pattern has not been reliable. But in criminal or forensic settings, someone can be unreliable in general but still provide accurate specific information in a particular instance. Especially if they have access that others don't. In Gary's case, there are a few things that may be happening at once and one is that Hedgepeth had specific insider level details, which increases credibility. He was his cellmate at one point. That suggests he did have documented proximity to homes and to information, even if the source himself isn't necessarily trustworthy. At the same time, Gary already had a suspicion that something wasn't right. So there is the possibility of confirmation bias as well. Being more Receptive to information that aligns with what Gary already believes. Hedgepath having a score to settle doesn't make his account more credible, at least to me. Because in my experience when I worked in corrections, individuals would say all kinds of things to me to cause trouble to someone else on the yard or in the institution because they wanted to settle a score. And most of the time, time that information was false. It was being done out of vengeful behavior.
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What could possibly be some potential risks of Gary bringing this information to his bosses?
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There's certainly some professional risk. His superiors have already made a decision to move on. So bringing this back up, especially without concrete evidence, can be seen as challenging that authority. That can affect his credibility, his relationships at work and how seriously he's taking moving forward. But if they reopen the case and it turns out he's wrong, it can damage his reputation and the company's reputation. It would also reinforce the idea that he's acting on a hunch rather than any concrete evidence. And if they reopened it prematurely, it could escalate the situation or affect future investigations as well. But at the same time, there's a competing risk in not bringing it forward. Also he has information and if that information was true, true, and he sat on that, that could be considered negligence on his part. It can feel like a lose lose situation, but really there's a lot to gain from coming forward with this than there is to lose, at least from my perspective.
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Well, fortunately for Gary, Hedgepeth's statement was enough to reopen the case. Even better. In late 1894, Gary got the go ahead to hire some Pinkerton detectives to find home Homes. The Pinkertons had originally specialized in protecting trains and apprehending train robbers. And by this point were a wide ranging detective agency. If anyone could find Holmes, it was them. The Pinkerton detectives started their search at Homes's building in Chicago that simultaneously served as a retail space, apartments and lodgings. There were plenty of people associated with the building who were upset with him for skipping town. Especially because he left a trail of unpaid bills in his his wake. Eventually, the Pinkerton's investigation led them to a financial agent named Frank Blackman. He told them that Holmes had asked him to forward his mail. It was tricky since Holmes was always on the move. Blackman didn't want to end up in jail himself for obstructing an investigation. So he handed the letters over to the detectives. At first, Holmes always seemed to be one step ahead of the detectives. But they finally caught up to him in Boston. In November 1894, the Pinkerton detectives joined forces with the Boston police force. Together, they had the resources to catch HH Holmes once and for all. But they knew they had to act fast because he wouldn't stay in one place for long. Once the authorities made their move, they had to be sure it worked. Because for the moment, the police back in Philadelphia had only issued a warrant against Holmes for fraudulently identifying a body. And the Boston PD Deputy Superintendent Orin M. Hanscom didn't think that was a strong enough case for a successful prosecution. At the same time, Hanscom seemed to realize that Holmes was capable of all kinds of wrongdoing. And if he dug deep enough, maybe he'd uncover something else.
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This is another example of pattern recognition. Investigators are starting to see that Holmes isn't just acting randomly. There's a consistent pattern to how he operates. He appears skilled at anticipating how others will respond, which is something that we talked about. He stays more mobile. He leaves when pressure builds, and at a minimum, repeatedly engages in deception that's related to financial gain. And as they gather more information, like unpaid debts, prior insurance schemes, maybe even the fire in Chicago, they're starting to see consistency across different situations over a number of years. There's also a cross jurisdictional factor there, too. When someone moves as frequently as Holmes does, different pieces of information weren't previously previously pieced together. Now they're being connected and they're being seen in a bigger picture. And for experienced investigators, that's enough of an accumulation of patterns to keep an investigation moving forward. It's the multiple patterns that don't quite add up or resolve that can signal sophistication in an offender that warrants further exploration.
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In this case, Hanscom's efforts paid off. Off. He looked into Holmes a little more and found out he had ties back in Fort Worth, Texas. Hanscom wired the sheriff down there to see if he could dig up anything on Holmes. Pretty soon, he learned that Holmes was wanted for, quote, larceny of one horse. That was a much more concrete accusation. So Hanscom gave the go ahead. It was time to make their move. His officers could arrest Holmes on the charge of stealing a a horse, but they'd soon discover that HH Holmes had committed crimes far more horrific than they had ever imagined. That was serial killers and murderous minds. With me, Vanessa Richardson, and my co host, forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels. Catch part two of the H.H. holmes series. And if you missed part one, that's there waiting for you too on Apple podcasts or Spotify. Just search serial killers and murderous minds. Minds. You've been listening to Crime House 24 7, bringing you breaking crime news. I'm Vanessa Richardson. We'll be back tomorrow morning with more developing stories. Stay safe and thanks for listening. I'm Katie Ring, host of America's Most Infamous Crimes. Each week I take on one of the most notes notorious criminal cases in American history. Listen to and follow America's most infamous crimes. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to today's episode. Not sure what to listen to next? Check out America's Most Infamous Crimes, hosted by Katie Ring. From serial killers to unsolved mysteries and game changing investigations, each week Katie takes on a notorious criminal case in American history. Listen to and follow America's most infamous crimes now. Wherever you listen to podcasts.