MISSING: Brittany Wallace Shank

Summary

Crime Junkie Podcast Summary

Episode: MISSING: Brittany Wallace Schenck
Date: June 22, 2026
Host: Ashley Flowers with Britt
Theme:
This episode investigates the mysterious 2018 disappearance of 23-year-old Brittany Wallace Schenck from rural St. Joseph County, Michigan. Ashley and Britt unravel the confusing circumstances of Brittany’s last hours, a cast of unreliable witnesses, a tangle of toxic relationships, and ongoing questions about police procedure—all set against the backdrop of drug use, small-town secrets, and rumors.

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Episode Overview

• Main Focus:
  The sudden disappearance of Brittany Wallace Schenck after a minor car incident and a haunting 911 call; the unanswered questions about what happened to her, who was with her, and why she vanished; and the failure of the ensuing investigation to provide answers or closure.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Last Night Brittany Was Seen [02:13–11:12]

• Brittany shows up at a stranger’s rural house barefoot, bleeding, and coatless, after a supposed car wreck. She says her boyfriend ran away after the crash.
  • 911 dispatcher: “The girl just came to the back door, she had no shoes, no coat. She’s bleeding... Her boyfriend took off somewhere. He wrecked the car and took off running.” [02:27]
• She requests medical attention, but then bolts from the farmhouse before police arrive, wearing only a sweatshirt loaned to her.
• The crash appears to be minor—a shallow ditch, drivable car, slight injuries that might not match the story told.

2. Early Investigation & Community Response [11:13–13:29]

• Brittany’s complex life is detailed: battling addiction, out of custody of her kids, open warrant for larceny.
• Initial theory is she ran due to the warrant, but those close to her quickly sense something is critically wrong.
• Her efforts to call her grandmother for help that night—before the 911 call—suggest she was looking for a ride, not police response.

3. The “Boyfriend” and the Mystery Man [13:29–17:08]

• Sheldon Ashbrook, her on/off boyfriend, owned the car but denies being with Brittany that night—claims she borrowed it and disappeared.
• Grandma Vicki insists Brittany was with another man—unknown to the family, described as a thin, white man with “Elvis” mutton chops, yellow and black sweatsuit.
  • “Nobody ever got his name though... they do have a pretty good description.” – Ashley [13:32]
• Timeline reconstructs her leaving Grandma’s house with this man. No evidence she picked up or dropped off anyone else.

4. Was She Running FROM Someone? [21:18–25:43]

• The crash site revealed Brittany’s belongings strewn in the car—indicative of a struggle.
• John (the homeowner) reportedly found that his garage had been rifled through the same night, suggesting someone else was nearby while Brittany was speaking to 911.
• Further witness (a neighboring teen) saw Brittany outside his home after she left John’s, accompanied by simultaneous knocking on the door by another, unidentified person.

5. Failed Searches and Missing Evidence [26:12–29:05]

• Extensive searches (fields, woods, water) yielded no trace; the open farmland would have revealed a body if she had simply succumbed to the elements.
• Key investigation failures:
  • Brittany’s phone is never recovered or effectively tracked.
  • Sheldon’s car is never processed for evidence—believed at first Brittany simply didn’t want to be found.

6. The Circle: Suspects, Lies, and Missing Messages [29:05–38:12]

• Ashley Hooley: Claims to be Brittany’s “sister,” deeply inserts herself into the investigation but is revealed to be a close friend, not family. Her timeline of communication with Brittany is inconsistent.
• Brittany’s Facebook account shows odd activity months after her disappearance—messages (notably with Ashley) start vanishing.
• Police retrieve Facebook records, but results are unclear. Ashley later admits accessing some of Brittany’s accounts but denies tampering with evidence, claiming to be searching for clues.

7. Brittany’s Love Life and Inner Circle [35:08–41:59]

• Eric Schenck: Brittany’s estranged husband, deeply entwined in the local drug scene and in a strange alibi entanglement with Ashley.
• Bodycam footage of a traffic stop shows Eric and Ashley (post-disappearance) spending time together, with Eric calling Ashley his “girlfriend”—suggesting a much closer relationship than previously admitted.
  • “What are you guys doing out in the woods?” Officer
  • “Looking for my wife. She’s been missing since November 30th.” – Eric [39:01]
• The third party, "JJ" (John Box, Jr.), also figures into the gas receipt and vehicle confusion.

8. Troubling Evidence and Unanswered Forensics [41:59–48:23]

• Ashley, despite denying contact with Brittany the day she vanished, somehow ends up with a photo of Brittany’s gas receipt from the night she disappeared.
• Brittany’s phone is never located, but Eric claims to find its backplate during a search—raising further suspicion.
• Law enforcement’s delayed and lackluster engagement with Eric and other key individuals is deeply criticized.

9. Accusations, Family Drama, and Online Rumors [49:20–59:55]

• Ashley turns suspicion onto Brittany’s mother, Jessica Rolf, hinting at possible drug-related retaliation, while Jessica points to Ashley and Eric.
• Toxic, angry voice messages between Brittany and Jessica—leaked online—fuel rumors Jessica was involved or had motive.
  • (Jessica, angry, to Brittany:) “You destroyed yourself... I’m going to let everybody know where little Miss Brittany is at and I’m gonna ruin your life.” [56:07]
• Ashley admits she found and shared these voice memos but claims she’s not responsible for their public release.

10. The Mysterious “Mystery Man” [59:55–63:43]

• Multiple sketches are made—one early, one (oddly) five years later. Neither conclusively matches anyone in Brittany’s circle.
• Some theories suggest Eric may have been the mystery man, but timelines and appearances don’t fully add up.

11. More Theories and Final Possibilities [63:53–76:53]

• Hints of potential motive involving Brittany wanting to get clean, knowing incriminating information, or being caught in drug world turf drama; a coded jail call between Brittany and a contact named Zach hints at tension and secrets.
  • “I can’t say what I want to say over the phone. But there’s a reason why I don’t want you to say anything right now.” – Brittany [67:40]
• Rumors swirl about sex trafficking, a burned-out house, and a suspicious Cadillac caught stealing gas—all inconclusive.
• Law enforcement failed to deliver polygraphs, properly track digital forensics, or bring basic investigative rigor to the case.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Ashley (Opening):
  “Since Brittany slipped into the darkness that November night back in 2018, she has never been seen again. And trying to understand what happened to her... opens a Pandora’s box of conflicting stories, troubling allegations, and a mystery that has taken on a life of its own.” [04:25]
• Jessica Rolf (on Facebook activity):
  “Stuff was possibly being hidden, deleted, altered in some way.” [32:16]
• Britt (incredulously):
  “How is this even remotely acceptable for an investigation?” [49:20]
• Ashley (on the case):
  “Stories shift. Rumors spread faster than actual facts do. And once fear enters the picture, every coincidence starts feeling sinister.” [77:48]
• Ashley (closing plea):
  “I think somebody out there really does know exactly what happened to Brittany Wallace Schenck that day, November 30, 2018. …Maybe it was creating so much noise that detectives would never find the truth buried underneath.” [78:28]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:13] – Introduction to the case, the 911 call
• [04:25] – Brittany flees from safety; never seen again
• [13:29] – Introduction of the “mystery man”
• [21:18] – Evidence in the car, possible struggle
• [26:12] – Search efforts and lack of physical findings
• [29:05] – Introduction of Ashley Hooley, social media drama
• [31:53] – Facebook activity and deletion of messages
• [35:08] – Complicated relationships – focus on Eric Schenck
• [39:01] – Bodycam: Eric, Ashley, and JJ “searching for Brittany”
• [41:59] – Connection between gas receipt, evidence chain
• [46:51] – Backplate of Brittany’s phone found by Eric
• [52:54] – Accusations turn to Jessica Rolf, emotional voice memos
• [59:30] – Re-examining the “mystery man” theories
• [66:14–68:02] – Jail call with Zach hints at coded secrets
• [70:12] – Unresolved questions about polygraph testing
• [73:20] – Theories involving trafficking, abandoned house, burned property

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

Ashley and Britt’s conversation is skeptical, tenacious, and laced with deep empathy for Brittany’s chaotic yet fragile life. Indignation is palpable over law enforcement’s missteps and the frustrating limits of rumor and innuendo. The case is painted as a swirling mass of secrets, betrayal, drug culture toxicity, and systemic failures—in which the actual facts are forever slipping through the cracks.

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Final Call to Action

If you have information on the disappearance of Brittany Wallace Schenck, contact the St. Joseph County Sheriff’s Office at 269-467-9045.

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For further details:

• Both police sketches of the “mystery man” can be viewed on the Crime Junkie blog.
• For an even deeper dive, Ashley recommends the Hide and Seek podcast, Season 3, which dedicates over 50 episodes to this case.

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Summary prepared by:
Crime Junkie Podcast Summarizer
(For true crime fans, investigators, and anyone caught in the mystery)

Transcript

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[Dispatcher]

Sancho County 911, where's the emergency? Off of Fawn River. Okay, you're on Fawn River Road near what cross street? What? What cross street? Or what address are you at on Fawn River?

[Ashley Flowers]

He wants to know what street

[Jessica Rolf]

I guess is on Fawn River.

[Dispatcher]

Okay, do you have an address on Fawn River?

[Ashley Flowers]

Here's the guy.

[Dispatcher]

Okay, sure.

[Ashley Flowers]

That 911 call you just heard came into St. Joseph county dispatch just before 9 at night on November 30, 20, 2018 from a house off a rural road right outside Sturgis, Michigan.

[Dispatcher]

Okay, can you tell me what's going on there tonight? I don't know. The girl just came to the back door and she had no shoes on, no coat. She's bleeding. Her feet, her arms. She said her boyfriend took off somewhere. He wrecked the car and took off running.

[Ashley Flowers]

I guess if you didn't catch all that. The man, his name is John, said that the young woman that came to his back door was stranded after her boyfriend wrecked their car and then took off on foot without her. It was bitter cold with snow on the ground. So the fact that she showed up barefoot with no coat and a bit scratched up and bleeding was cause for concern.

[Dispatcher]

Okay, so she said that her boyfriend took off from the area. Do you know, was he abusing her or what? What happened? I. I don't know. I couldn't hear that. Okay, all right. Would you say that she's. I mean, does she need medical attention or. You said it's not serious or what's going on?

[Ashley Flowers]

Under the static and radio chatter, you can hear the young woman John is speaking to in the background of the call. She doesn't sound panic. Her tone is measured. And she tells them that. That she does want medical attention.

[Dispatcher]

Okay, yeah, absolutely. We'll get somebody down that way for her. Do you happen to know what her name is? Can you tell me her name? She don't seem to want to talk to me. Okay. Welcome back in here.

[Ashley Flowers]

That's the moment when the woman takes off from John's, still barefoot, but wearing a green John Deere sweatshirt that John had given her for warmth.

[Dispatcher]

If you can't tell her that help is coming down that way. I just need her to stay there if she wants assistance. Yeah, she went outside. She ain't got no shoes on. I give her a jacket.

[Ashley Flowers]

Law enforcement would later learn that the woman who ran was 23 year old Brittany Wallace Schenck. She was moments away from help, but still something pulled her away from the safety of John's back porch. What or who or why has never been fully determined. Because since Britney slipped into the darkness that November night back in 2018, she has never been seen again. And trying to understand what happened to her, what even brought Britney out to that rural road to begin with. And who she was with opens a Pandora's box of conflicting stories, troubling allegations, and a mystery that has taken on a life of its own. I'm your host, Ashley Flowers.

[Britt]

And I'm Britt.

[Ashley Flowers]

And welcome back, Crime Junkies. The entire scenario that kicked off this case, a woman comes to a stranger's door a little Worse for the wear. Shoeless, coatless in the cold, saying she was in a car wreck and her boyfriend was. Took off and left her. Then she takes off just before deputies are about to come. That would be more than enough for a red flag to be thrown up for crime junkies. Right. Like, we would be, like, spiraling and, like, jumping into action. Actually, we've literally seen this play out before. This feels like a slightly different version of the start to our episode on Lisk, when Shannon Gilbert was, like, running to a house looking for help. Maybe that's why, to me, this should have been so alarming from the jump. But sadly, that's apparently not what's on the minds of first responders. We were able to get what seems to be most of the case file, and when they look over the car that's been abandoned, they realize this was far from a serious crash. One of the few things almost everyone in this case can actually agree on is just how thick the fog was that night. And it looked like the car had basically just kind of, like, veered off the road into. They call it a ditch, but, like, we're talking a very shallow ditch. And then maybe got stuck. The car was still drivable, though. And even the injuries that John saw, he described them as small cuts on her feet and her arms, but I don't know where those would have come from. Some suggest that maybe from the brush in the field going from the car to John's, if she cut through that way and didn't use the road. But, like, this is, like, right where we grew up. These, like, Michigan, Indiana, northern Indiana, like, fields. And this is in November, late November. Everything is, like, cut down by this point.

[Britt]

Yeah, there'd be, like, some sticks and stuff in, like, the farm fields, but not a lot I know.

[Ashley Flowers]

And some people have even said, oh, well, if they cut down the corn and the stalks were still up, like, But I was like, yeah, but deep tracks. I know my fields. You have to switch between corn and soybeans. What was it that year? I don't know.

[Britt]

And you sometimes, like, till it under at the end of the season. So, like, yes, there'd be stalks, but they're, like, half buried.

[Ashley Flowers]

Also, like, there is the paved road that goes right to his house, like, from where the car was. So, like, I don't even know that she would have had to have cut through a field. Listen, I don't know where the cuts come from, but I don't think it was from the crash, because there is really no crash. I have Talked to enough cops to know that they do see a lot of this, right? Like if a driver doesn't want to encounter police for whatever reason, they will just leave a vehicle. Maybe there was a reason that Britney seemed cagey with John. Maybe she didn't really want the police to come out there.

[Britt]

Okay, but then why go asking for medical help?

[Ashley Flowers]

That is not a mystery that they attempt to solve right then. I mean, I don't think they know who the woman was when they first show up. They don't know that it was Britney. They're kind of thinking like whoever that was, she's probably just going to show back up. And the truth is the people in Britney's life were probably making some of the same assumptions. The 23 year old mom was struggling with substance use. She had recently given up custody of her four kids while trying to get back on her feet, hoping to start a new job, maybe enroll in school. And she had a warrant out for her arrest at the time for larceny. So when she goes mia, at least at first, they kind of wonder if that's because she wanted to. But don't get it twisted. I mean, some of her family and friends had been looking for her, like asking around. Even her boyfriend had been out trying to find her.

[Britt]

The boyfriend who took off on her.

[Ashley Flowers]

That's the catch. It was her boyfriend, Sheldon Ashbrook. It was his car that she had been driving. But when police dropped by unannounced after the incident, likely sometime around 10:30pm or later to tell him that his car had been impounded, Sheldon was home and informed them that he hadn't even been with Brittany. She borrowed his car that night and he said he had no clue who she would have been with. So it sounds like even he just assumed that Britney was either embarrassed maybe by what she had done to his car, or maybe she was laying low due to the fact that there was a warrant out on her. But weirdly, it doesn't seem like he told her family about the car incident right away. He told some friends, but the family didn't find out until later that she had taken off after the car went off the road though even then they hear that the car was operable, so she must have just walked off, right? Even her being barefoot in the snow didn't stand out to them too much. Her mom told us that Brittany was known to run around in flip flops or even barefoot even when it was freezing in Michigan. And listen, those instincts might have been right. Because it turns out when Britney went to John's that night looking for help. She did. She went to his house looking to use the phone, but she didn't necessarily call 911 right away. She had actually tried calling her grandma Vicky first. But either that call didn't go through or Grandma just didn't answer. And I don't know for sure if it was her or John who actually ended up dialing 911. Like, she ends up passing the phone off to him pretty quickly and then doesn't seem to want to give him any information. So I keep thinking maybe he, like, dialed before she realized what was going on. Like, since she didn't seem scared, My gut is that Brit probably wasn't looking for help for, like, first responders.

[Britt]

She called Grandma, like for a ride or something.

[Ashley Flowers]

Exactly. And when she realized that deputies were going to be showing up, she took off. But that doesn't explain why she hadn't turned back up now. And with every day that passed with no word from her, everyone who knew Britney was growing more worried, especially the longer she went without being active on social media because apparently she is like a Facebook junkie. But the real final straw that set off alarm bells was learning that Britney hadn't been in touch with her grandma Vicki at all after she tried to call her that night because the two of them were close and they talked constantly. So eight days after the night that she walked off into the cold, Brittany's dad, Greg Wallace, reports her missing to the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office. And once they open an investigation, they decide to go to Grandma. Since she likely had the most contact with Britney, they think she's going to be super helpful in trying to map out Britt's life movements leading up to the night of November 30th. And it is a worthwhile stop. Grandma is a wealth of information because luckily, the last time Grandma had seen Britt just so happened to be the same night of this car crash or the car going off the road. And Britt wasn't alone. Deputies learn that earlier on November 30, sometime around 6:30 and 7pm Brittany had stopped by her grandma's house to do laundry with a guy. Now, it doesn't sound like they were really interacting too much with anyone else at the house, but that could have been because they had been using drugs that night. Now, later, when her family finally heard that 911 call, they told us that they suspect that she was high because of the way that she sounded. Now at Grandma's, she and this guy also appeared to be arguing a bit and he was rushing her like he had somewhere better to be. And they stayed long enough to wash the clothes, but not long enough to like fully dry them. Instead, Britney stuffed damp laundry into a basket and then they left together. Let's call it like 8:30, 8:45pm so Sheldon lied. Sheldon did not lie. Grandma knows Sheldon. He and Brittany had been friends for years before dating on and off. Grandma says this wasn't him.

[Britt]

Okay, then who was he, Brit?

[Ashley Flowers]

Nobody knows. But like I said, like Britney and this guy barely interacted with anyone else. And in hindsight, Grandma says there was something off about this guy. Like he just. They couldn't put their finger on it. Nobody ever got his name though, is the catch. They do have a pretty good description of him. He is this thin white guy in his like early to mid-20s, between 5658ish, with short blonde hair and thin thick mutton chop sideburns like Elvis as Grandma described. And he was wearing like a yellow sweatsuit type outfit with like some black on it.

[Britt]

So when Britney said her boyfriend took off after the crash, is she talking about this guy? Like whoever he is?

[Ashley Flowers]

If, if there was a man in the car with her when it went off the road, I think it has to be this guy. Just based on the timeline, right? Like, so based on what Grandma remembers, they left her House around 8.30pm the spot where the car went off the road is about a five minute drive away. And then getting to John's should take less than 10 minutes on foot. We know that the 911 call is placed around 8:50. So it seems like there wouldn't have been a lot of time for her to have like picked up anyone else. Like I don't think anyone else could have been in that car with her. If someone was in the car with her, it has to be this guy that she left Grandma's with. Now is there a chance that she dropped him somewhere and she was alone in the car? Maybe, but there isn't a whole lot in this area.

[Britt]

I was gonna say this is like a pretty rural area, right?

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[Ashley Flowers]

So personally I think it's unlikely. Also, the direction that they were driving is kind of interesting to me. I don't know where Britney was headed to, but like the direction she was going in was toward Bronson. Now she used to live in Bronson, but Bronson is away from Sturgis, where she has been staying with Sheldon. Now the thing I'll say is that we're told a lot of drug connections lived out that way in Bronson So maybe she was going to somewhere she used to live or to a connection she knew, but like, I have no idea.

[Britt]

Okay, so I'm buying that the mystery man is in the car with her, but, like, why does she call him her boyfriend though?

[Ashley Flowers]

Nobody really knows now. I mean, I have to say, according to some family members that we spoke to, Sheldon actually did kind of fit at least some parts of the description. Like he is blonde. I think he has like similar ish facial hair, which I can show you, but the build I think was really different. And years later, some close to the case would question just how reliable everyone's memory really was that night. Right. Like Graham was saying, I know Sheldon's for sure not him, but. But they also say grandma had a few beers and nobody at the house seemed to be paying particularly close attention to this guy. And I'm not like blaming them for that. They couldn't have known the importance that, like, he would become in this case. But grandma says it is not Sheldon. So to your point, why is Britney calling someone else her boyfriend? Maybe she used the term loosely. Maybe it was someone that she was seeing on the side. Or maybe she just didn't feel like explaining her love life to a complete stranger. Right. Cause let me tell you, her love life was pretty freaking complicated. As we will soon get into. But just a quick observation. I've seen what's believed to be the last selfie that Brittany took from Sheldon's car before leaving that night, and she looks pretty done up. Maybe that means absolutely nothing, but to me, it doesn't exactly scream like, I'm just going to grandma's to do laundry.

[Britt]

More likely, she may have been, like, going out, going to meet up with somebody.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yes. And if she was seeing another guy, then the question becomes, did Sheldon know about it? When investigators circle back to Sheldon, the short answer, according to him, is no. He admits the two weren't exactly in the best place the day that she vanished, mostly due to Britt's meth use. He insists this wasn't some, like, blow up fight they had or anything more just like bickering. But he does say that before leaving the house that night, Britney told him something along the lines of, you're not going to like me much later, which he took to mean at the time that she was going to go out and get high. He says he actually didn't want to lend his car to her that night. People we spoke to told us that that car was his baby. But that night, Britney asked to borrow it. So she could go to her grandma's. And according to Sheldon, he actually even offered to drive her himself. Like it was only like a 15 minute cruise away. But he says that Brittany got irritated about this and was adamant about taking the car alone.

[Britt]

Which makes sense if she's meeting up with another guy.

[Ashley Flowers]

Which is what I think happens because Sheldon helps fill in more of the timeline for November 30th. He says that she left his place likely sometime between 5 and 6pm and not long after Britney called him up. Like half joking, half complaining, I think that there wasn't enough gas in the car and she was gonna have to stop and fill up. And after that's when we have a gap where we think she picks someone up before going to grandma's. Now, once hours pass by, Sheldon tries contacting Brittany to see where she's at. Like she's supposed to be back with his car, but she won't answer, which probably frustrates him. Not because he is thinking she's with some other guy. He is thinking that she's out using and like I said, not back with his car after he already seemed like on the fence about her taking it. And look, after talking to people close to this case, Sheldon doesn't really seem like the jealous type. He is more so the guy that Britt felt she could always fall back on if she needed something. So at 9:42pm he actually called a friend and his cousin and asked them to pick him up so they could go out and look for Britney. And deputies end up confirming this with those two people. The first place they said they checked are the Village Manor apartments in Sturgis.

[Britt]

Why not Grandma's if that's where she said she was going?

[Ashley Flowers]

Well, because according to Sheldon, Britney would go to these apartments to visit friends and to do drugs or get drugs and remember that is what he thought was going on here, why she isn't back. But he goes there, doesn't spot her car. So then they did go by Grandma's. No car there either. They said they drove back to the Village Manor apartments one more time, but when they still couldn't find her, they just went back to Sheldon's house. And it is very soon after he gets back home that there is a knock on his door. Not Britney obviously, but police. And so now we're back to the point in the timeline that I've already told you about when officers showed up to tell him that his car was found abandoned after this quote unquote cross crash. And Sheldon said that he had no clue who Britt had been with. And so this is one of the great mysteries of this case, because there is some evidence to suggest that Britney might not have been running from a car accident that night. She may have been running from this man, and there are signs that mystery man may have found her.

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[Ashley Flowers]

This case started with Sheldon's car going off the road. Supposedly, that is why Britney went to John's and asked to use the phone. But there is something about that that doesn't really ring all the way true. I mean, yes, the car went off the road, but like I said, I think it was still totally drivable. Now, police did have it towed, probably just because it had been abandoned, someone had fled the scene. But most people our reporter Madison talked to said that this ditch was super shallow. Like, arguably, they wouldn't even call it a real ditch. I wouldn't either. I was like, on Google Maps. I've seen videos that they sent us of out like you grew up.

[Britt]

And then like, close my eyes and imagine it's like a slight divot on the shoulder and then back in the field.

[Dispatcher]

Barely.

[Ashley Flowers]

Barely. And if a car went off and I know there's a little snow on the ground, like, say it was really low to the ground, I think even just with a little bit of effort, you would have been able to. To get it out of there.

[Britt]

Yeah.

[Ashley Flowers]

Now, to be fair, if you're on your own or like, if you were high, maybe you are really stuck. But for argument's sake, say the car could have been driven out of there. Why wouldn't she? Maybe she was trying to get away from someone in the car. Remember, she had those small cuts and injuries that can't fully be explained by her just going off the road, maybe tapping a little small tree that was there. Grandma said that Britney and the mystery man seemed to be arguing a bit, remember? And Brittany's mom, Jessica Rolfe, told us something interesting about her. Believe it or not, she said that Britney actually had this habit of impulsively jumping out of cars when she was pissed off, like it's something her mom had witnessed her doing before in an argument. And to further hint at this idea that something happened in the car, When Sheldon got the car back from impound, he says the inside was trashed. Like, the glove box was open. Britney's purse had supposedly been, like, dumped out. Her belongings were scattered everywhere. And apparently that was exactly how it was when first responders found it on the side of the road in the first place. So say something happened in that car before or after it went off the road. Was Brittany trying to get away from the person she was in the car with? If so, there is a good chance that he caught up to her. Now, John isn't around anymore for us to get this story directly from him, But Brittany's dad, Greg, relayed to us that John had told someone that when he went out to his detached garage the next morning after Brittany had been at his house, it looked like someone had gone through his stuff. The insinuation being that this had supposedly happened When Britney herself was inside with John talking to dispatch.

[Britt]

Meaning mystery man is in the garage. Right, but that doesn't mean she didn't know.

[Ashley Flowers]

What do you mean?

[Britt]

I mean, like, I'd venture to guess, people are more willing to open their door to a young woman in trouble than a woman and a man. Like, maybe she went up to use the phone, told him to wait outside.

[Ashley Flowers]

Actually, that would make a lot of sense, Especially when combined with the tidbit of info that we get, like, when deputies canvass the neighborhood. So, okay, there isn't, like, much of a neighborhood canvas. Again, you know, this area, like, it's super spread out. Yeah, it's pretty rural. But there was another house not too far from John's on the same road, and someone in that house saw Britt that night, too. According to the case file, there was this young teen who was home alone, and they reported seeing Britney outside this house Wearing a big green coat just like the one that John had given her. So, I mean, we can almost be sure that this is her, and we can be sure that this happened after she left John's. Right, but it's what happened next that's really unsettling. So according to the report, while he watched this woman, like, circle from the backyard to the front, like, peering through the windows, he heard someone else knocking on his front door at the same time. Now, this teenager was obviously, like, super freaked out. He's not gonna answer the door for whoever is knocking, so he didn't see what that person looked like or anything. The question is, was to like, to your point. So, like, I was originally thinking, like, was this person, like, stalking her and looking for her? Thinking maybe, you know, she was at John's. Maybe she's here or now thinking what you're saying.

[Britt]

Were they together?

[Ashley Flowers]

Did they travel to that second house together?

[Britt]

So did they ever do searches in the fields? Because, again, looking at a map of this, like you said, this is an area, like where I grew up. These houses are kind of like square miles apart.

[Ashley Flowers]

Sometimes they're huge. Huge, yeah. Huge fields in between.

[Britt]

If she's barefoot and it's freezing, there's some snow on the ground. And this next house didn't open their door. Like, maybe she didn't make it any further.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yeah, I mean, people have wondered that, thinking that, like, she, like, either became disoriented in, like, the freezing dark, especially if she was using drugs, she succumbed to the elements. Somewhere near the road that they're on. It's called Fawn River Road. Or they're even thinking, like, did she possibly overdose? But to answer your question, yes, they have searched and they haven't found anything. So, like, that makes me think that that's super unlikely. Especially when you think about. This is, like, late November, early December, when they're searching. This is flat, flat farmland for, like, as far as the eye can see.

[Britt]

The joke is, like, you can watch your dog run away for a week. Like, it's just. There's nothing there.

[Ashley Flowers]

If she had just, like, you know, fallen and died there or like, whatever

[Britt]

she comes see her body, she would

[Ashley Flowers]

have been discovered by now. And even since those early days, there have been even more searches beyond the open fields, like, in surrounding woods, water. But still, Britney has never been found. And outside of people having their own varying opinions on who he might be, mystery man has never been identified.

[Britt]

Which I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around because this is. This is like 2018, right?

[Ashley Flowers]

Yeah, this is, like, fairly recently. And, like.

[Dispatcher]

Right.

[Britt]

Did we not pull phone records? How do we not know who she was meeting up with that night? And, like, what about the car? Like, his prince should have been all over it if he was in it.

[Ashley Flowers]

It's so frustrating. So we know she has her phone with her when she leaves Sheldon. Remember she took that selfie?

[Dispatcher]

Right?

[Ashley Flowers]

But I don't know what happened to her phone because actually, one of the things I keep wondering is why she wouldn't use that to call for help. Like, why did she even need to go to John's farmhouse at all. And according to Sheldon, it hadn't been left behind in his car when he went to pick it up. So the only thing that I can come up with as far as her phone goes, is, like, a, maybe mystery man took it and, like, that's why she needed to go to John's. Or B, like, I'm trying to think back to 2018. Was this a world where, like, there was bad service?

[Britt]

Like, I mean, it could definitely be spotty, for sure.

[Ashley Flowers]

And listen, I know according to the case file, authorities attempted to ping it. Even though you can't find it, in my mind, I'm like, you know, It's. It is 2018. Let's pull the records. But it's noted in the case file that whatever ping they tried to do just didn't work. Like, the phone was either off or it was roaming or there was, like, no service.

[Britt]

Okay, but can't they see where it was, like, before it went offline?

[Ashley Flowers]

I would think, but there is no detail in the records about this, and law enforcement wouldn't talk to us. So I don't know exactly what they did or didn't pull, and I believe it may have been, like, a prepaid or, like, pay as you go kind of thing. So, like, I don't know if that factors in. But even still, I don't know what they tried to track location wise or, like, communication wise, like, related to that phone. But if anything, I assume it didn't lead them to mystery man, or we wouldn't be here talking about it.

[Britt]

Right. And what about the car?

[Jessica Rolf (Angry Voice)]

So.

[Ashley Flowers]

Oh, that is the thing that's gonna frustrate you. It was just never processed, I guess, because they just assumed initially that this was, like, a girl who didn't want to be found. Like, they're not thinking foul play, especially not at first. So, like, they just give it back to Sheldon. He just goes to pick it up from impound, no problem. And then I don't know if, like, by the time they, like, realize what's going on, they're like, oh, well, too late. To me, it's never too late. But, like, never gets processed. But at least in giving evidence back to Sheldon, they did get a statement from him, and he starts telling police about the people that Britney was known to go see, starting with a woman named Ashley Hooley. And Ashley's interesting because she lives at the same Village Manor apartment in Sturgis where Sheldon first went looking for Brittany the night that she vanished. It wasn't grandma's house. He went to it was there.

[Britt]

Right?

[Ashley Flowers]

And Sheldon told investigators that he did that because Britney regularly went there to buy and use meth. But Ashley wasn't just some random drug dealer. When she comes in to speak with investigators, she tells them just how deeply she was tied to Britney. They're sisters, and she's desperate to find her, and she is already trying to do whatever she can to help. Except that's a lie. I mean, she did seem to be inserting herself into the investigation, but she is not Britney's blood sister. Britney's dad is like, I don't even know who this woman is.

[Jessica Rolf]

What?

[Ashley Flowers]

Now Ashley does eventually clarify that she and Britney are. Are not biologically related. They're just, like, really close. And in a later interview, she'd eventually say that Britney was her best friend, but she didn't know if she was Britney's. And some of Britney's family says Ashley may not have been nearly as close to Britney as she was presenting herself to be. And over time, they start wondering whether Ashley is genuinely trying to help solve Britney's disappearance, because, like I said, she just keeps, like, putting herself in the middle or whether she may be trying to steer attention away from something else entirely. But what? According to Ashley, she and Britt had recently been in touch. But pinning down exactly when they last spoke or saw each other gets a bit tricky. Because in one part of her interview, Ashley tells investigators that the last time she physically saw Britney was November 23rd.

[Dispatcher]

Okay.

[Ashley Flowers]

Then later, she changes that to November 28th. But she says the last contact of any kind she had with Britney was through Facebook messenger on November 30, the very day she vanished. And listen, from what we know, that communication was friendly enough. Like, Brit was just checking in on her.

[Britt]

And what did their other interactions say, like, further back?

[Ashley Flowers]

Well, I would love to tell you, but. And this is jumping ahead just a little bit, something weird ends up happening with Britney's social media. People we spoke to told us that Facebook messenger was, like, one of the main ways that Britney communicated. But everything on her social media had gone completely dark since she disappeared. Except months after she had been missing, a friend notices that one of her Facebook accounts suddenly appears active again. So she tells Britt's mom, Jessica Rolf, who then notifies law enforcement. And it's not like she is talking to anyone or, like, posting anything. Normally. The account just starts doing these strange things, like, they think stuff was possibly being, like, hidden, deleted, altered in some way. Then apparently, some of Britt's conversations with Ashley start disappearing. Now, I Know investigators took the activity seriously enough that In July of 2019, they requested emergency Facebook records tied to Brittany's account and they obtained IP address information connected to the logins. But a freaking course their findings aren't documented in the files that we got access to.

[Britt]

Why would they be?

[Ashley Flowers]

But I do believe at least some of that activity that happened on her account can be tied to Ashley because our reporter Madison got in touch with Ashley and she did agree to answer some questions via Facebook messenger, of course. But they did end up hopping on a quick call later for some, like, follow ups at the last minute, too. Now, Ashley acknowledges that she did in fact access some of Britt's online accounts after she disappeared. But she says that it's not in the way that's like, being portrayed, like it wasn't malicious. She says that Sheldon sent her a picture of, like, notebooks that Brittany kept with passwords and account recovery information and that they were like, hoping those accounts might reveal who Britney had been talking to before she went missing. And according to Ashley, most of the passwords no longer work. And she says she was only able to get into that one Facebook account. And later she told detectives that she had access to it. They asked her to stop going in. She says she did. But then months later, she says that a private investigator approached her for help accessing the additional accounts. Now, Ashley says she believed that this PI was, like, working with law enforcement and like, again, she was trying to help. Ashley's explanation is that she wasn't trying to alter evidence or hide information. She was simply looking for clues that might help locate Britney. And here's the thing she says isn't correct about any of these allegations. She says that lots of stuff was already gone before she got access to it. And according to her, it wasn't even just messages between her and Britt that got deleted either. She says there were lots more, but both of Britt's parents dispute that.

[Britt]

Who else's got deleted?

[Ashley Flowers]

Her parents say that there is at least one other person whose messages seem to have been messed with. It was actually the one other person whose name kept coming up over and over again with Ashley's as they, like, police and her family were talking to people, and that is Eric Schenck, Britney's husband.

[Jessica Rolf]

One. Her what?

[Britt]

But two of these names are also giving me a hard time, actually.

[Ashley Flowers]

Ash.

[Jessica Rolf]

Eric.

[Ashley Flowers]

I know, I know. Listen, I told you that her love life is complicated. And buckle up, because this is where the case really takes a turn. Eric Schenck is Britney's Ex, but still, he was technically her husband. In November of 2018, they're separated, but still legally married and sharing two children. Britney had reportedly started filling out divorce papers shortly before she disappeared to try and make things official. Now, whatever arrangement they had going on meant that Britney was free to date Sheldon or whoever else she wanted. But emotionally, things were messier than that because according to Britney's mom, Jessica, even though the relationship had become incredibly toxic due to drugs, Britney and Eric still had this intense pull toward one another. Like they could split up and somehow still always end up right back in each other's orbit. And by the time Britney goes missing, she may be back with Sheldon, but Eric is still deeply woven into her everyday life and into their little friend group. Because Eric knows Ashley well too. He goes to her apartment to buy and use drugs too. And when he's later asked where he was when Britney went missing, Eric remembered staying over at Ashley's apartment that entire night.

[Dispatcher]

Oh.

[Ashley Flowers]

That is part of why some of Britney's family starts paying such close attention to Ashley moving forward. She is basically Eric's alibi and Eric hers. And when we asked her about that night, Ashley, I mean, she said Eric came over at like 8:40pm and then was there like most of the time.

[Britt]

So perfect alibi for the kind of exact time that Britney goes missing.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yes, but around 1am she says that he left, took her car to put air in the tires. And then it sounds like he like, comes back and then he eventually, like, leaves her place again to go back home to his parents at around like 2am Quick question.

[Britt]

Were they like, together together? Like, I love him, he's great. My husband's not running out to fill up my tires at 1 in the morning.

[Ashley Flowers]

They say no. Like, Ashley was actually dating someone else at the time. This guy named Curtis Polly, who everyone called Pocket.

[Jessica Rolf]

Get it?

[Britt]

I got it.

[Ashley Flowers]

But Ashley being tied up with someone else or not, I think the thing that's important here is that Britney's mom, Jessica, told us she believes there is no way that Britney would have been cool with how close they seemingly were. And Ashley herself tells detectives that she thought Britney wanted to work things out with Eric even though she was seeing Sheldon. But what Ashley is saying doesn't exactly pass the sniff test. And I'll give you an example.

[Britt]

I'm sorry, him staying over at her house late night isn't the example.

[Ashley Flowers]

Well, that could have been anything, Bri, you know, but honestly, truly. And maybe it was about like, the drugs. Maybe he crashed there also. It sounds like, he's up and out and about at, like, one in the morning. Like, maybe no one's crashing and they're just, like, hanging out. It's hard to prove anything with that. But this next thing, especially the timing, is a little bit harder to argue with. It's body cam footage from a traffic stop in Three Rivers, Michigan, involving Eric from December 23, 2018. So we're talking, like, three weeks after Britney went missing.

[Dispatcher]

Is it your. Your car, Eric? No, it is not. No, we just borrowed it for life, for Freddy's.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Dispatcher]

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[Ashley Flowers]

Been out in the damn woods all day.

[Dispatcher]

What are you guys doing out in the woods?

[Ashley Flowers]

Looking for my wife.

[Dispatcher]

She missing?

[Ashley Flowers]

Yeah, she's been, Wallace.

[Podcast Advertiser]

She's been missing since November 30th.

[Ashley Flowers]

Britt, do you want to guess who he says his girlfriend is?

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All right, so I'm following this black Ford SUV with a plate out of Stir just registered to Ashley Hooley, showing no insurance, and it's cutting through the First Ward neighborhood using side streets. So I make a traffic stop on it because it's not insured. It's Eric Schenck driving. He's on a restricted license, And John Fox Jr. Is in the passenger seat.

[Ashley Flowers]

Now, Ashley's relationship with Eric is one of the things that we asked her about, and she did admit to us that after Britney vanished, she and Eric spent a lot of time together because they were both caught up in the search. They were using drugs. They were dealing with intense emotions. And Ashley acknowledges that their relationship did eventually become intimate. But she maintains that happened only after Britney's disappearance. She says it was not during the time of this traffic stop when he is calling her his girlfriend or even before. So anyways, back to this stop because there is more here. The officers, like, are searching the car as part of this, and it sounds like they're, like, concerned about drugs. But when they ask John Fox Jr or JJ, as he's known, if he's got anything on him, he explains that he's got a notepad in his pocket for full of names because he's trying to figure out what he described as some sex trafficking thing that's been going on. And I can't be 100 sure, but I think he's insinuating that this sex trafficking thing has something to do with their search for Britney. Maybe even, like, why they've been out in the woods all day. But weirdly, these officers, like, don't press. I mean, you can definitely sense that they're, like, skeptical about why they're really out there. But remember, Britt's missing person case isn't theirs. Like, this is Three Rivers. She went missing in St. Joseph County.

[Britt]

So they have no reason to connect these dots.

[Ashley Flowers]

Exactly. Now, when Ashley shows up to the scene because she had been called, it's her vehicle that they're in, right? And when she's asked by an officer, she does, in that moment, deny that she is Eric's girlfriend, saying that he's, like, just a friend. But she's clearly upset that her car is going to get impounded. She says, like, she can't afford it, that she has already been through a lot of. And then the situation just kind of, like, escalates from there fast. They say she's not cooperating, and she ends up in handcuffs. And then she claims officers hit her head on the car while arresting her. JJ and Eric, on the other hand, appear to be staying, like, cool as cucumbers. And even though officers find needles, needle caps, and a billy club type impact weapon. Sorry, a what? Like, you know, one of those, like, it's like a heavy, like, duty nightstick kind of thing. Like a police, like a police baton. They find all of this in there. Still, they decide to give these guys a break because it's the day before Christmas Eve.

[Britt]

Happy holidays, folks.

[Ashley Flowers]

So, all things considered, Eric and JJ seemingly, like, make it out of this traffic stop pretty much unscathed. But here's, like, another reason why I think this stop is so important, and it has to do with the jj, the passenger in the car. So remember, in Our timeline of November 30, after Britt leaves the house in Sheldon's car, Sheldon said that she had called him up complaining that there wasn't enough gas. She was gonna have to, like, stop, fill it up, whatever. So if Britt did end up stopping for gas that night, that would make sense. Well, what if I told you there is reason to believe Ashley had the receipt from the transaction that Britt made in her possession at some point?

[Britt]

Ashley, who's saying she didn't see Britney at all that particular day.

[Ashley Flowers]

That's the one.

[Britt]

Cool.

[Ashley Flowers]

So this receipt is for 20 bucks worth of gas at the Marathon station on Fawn River Road, which is the

[Britt]

road that, like, everything is happening on.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yes, it is timestamped for 6:11pm on Nov. 30, and it appears to have Brits and account information on it. But investigators don't end up with the physical copy of the receipt. They end up with photos of the receipt that Ashley had that's somehow almost weirder. I know. Weirder to me is that she's not even the one who originally brought it to their attention either.

[Britt]

Okay, but why does she have them?

[Ashley Flowers]

Okay, so this is all according to a later interview that she does with detectives.

[Britt]

Okay.

[Ashley Flowers]

Basically, she tells them that her Ford Explorer had been stolen sometime near the end of January, beginning of February 2019. So this is, like, to put it in context, like, two months after Britt went missing.

[Britt]

Okay.

[Ashley Flowers]

Two months after her car is taken, it's finally recovered.

[Britt]

Okay.

[Ashley Flowers]

She says that when she got her car back, there was this garbage bag full of just, like, random items and trash inside the vehicle. And Ashley said she started, like, digging through the bag, trying to get proof of who took her car to see what they've been up to or whatever. And she claims that is where the gas receipt turned up. So she said she snapped a picture of it. And to be fair, she said she took photos of a lot of things that she found in that bag, and she said she didn't realize the significance of the receipt until it had already been thrown away.

[Britt]

But if you didn't think it was important, then why take a photo of it then?

[Ashley Flowers]

I mean, that's literally what Mads asked her to. And Ashley said something that I think kind of contradicts what I just told you from her official statement to investigators, because she tells Mads now that she actually did notice the November 30th date, the time, like, the specific gas station. And she says she had this gut feeling that it might be connected to Britt, even though at that point in time, she said that no one was thinking foul play yet.

[Britt]

Like, it's important if there was foul play that no one's thinking about yet.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yeah, like, what? Because she's like, at that point, they're just, like, trying to. When she finds it, like, tracked down down her friend. I don't know. But I do know that back when she was telling police this, she did believe she knew who took her vehicle, like, and who had it for, like, two months. And here we're coming back. John Box, Jr. JJ. JJ. She told Madison she's confident it was JJ because she claims he literally took off with her keys, left her a note saying he was borrowing it, and then just, like, never bothered bringing it back. Oh, the thing is, she's not necessarily saying that, like, he's the one who had the receipt initially. She's kind of just, like, you know, it could have easily been, like, any one of the many people in the circle that he associated with that. He could have, like, picked up or been in the vehicle or borrowed the vehicle in, like, the time period that she is saying she did not have it.

[Britt]

And he supposedly did. Did.

[Ashley Flowers]

But here's the thing. The gas receipt isn't the only thing connected to Britney that somehow resurfaces after she disappears. Because remember, Britney's phone never recovered from Shelton's car or anywhere else that's still not totally found after the crash. And this did always strike her family as odd because according to Jessica, Britney would have, like, fought somebody over that phone. So for it to be completely, like, gone that night with her, like, seemingly untraceable, that's always been like a big mystery. Like, they're thinking that it has to be with her, right?

[Britt]

Who.

[Ashley Flowers]

Who is missing? That's the only thing that makes sense. But then this happens. So Eric Schenck showed up to one of the early searches for Britney, dropped off by Ashley, by the way, even though Britt's family told us that, like, at this point in time, like, they did not even know who she was. But it is, like, in this one of, like, early day searches that he claims to have found part of Britt's phone.

[Britt]

Part of it, part.

[Ashley Flowers]

So according to people close to the case, what Eric allegedly said he found was the back plate from a Samsung phone that resembled the one that Britney had been using before she disappeared. This Samsung J337P. And we know that that's reportedly the same model tied to the selfie that Brittany took before leaving Sheldon's that night. It all seems to match up. But some of Britt's family tell us that they're suspicious of this whole, like, finding because according to them, Eric was off searching by himself in a field near the crash site when he made this alleged discovery. No one else from the search party was there to witness it. And what's even weirder, Britt's mom, Jessica said that he didn't even, like, run over to the rest of the group and tell them, like, I found this clue. Yeah, Jessica said that he just, like, left and she learned about it later. Now in the case file, there is mention of a zte cell phone missing back plate listed under the evidence, but there's like, no other details. I don't know if this is the one that we're talking about. I also don't know why you would call it a missing back plate. Like, and they don't give any, like, notes in the file about, like, who ended up turning it in when that happened or if investigators were ever even able to confirm that it was in fact, Britney's. Still, the family can't help but wonder, did Eric genuinely stumble across part of Britney's phone while searching for her, or did he somehow already have it?

[Britt]

Did anyone ever just ask him?

[Ashley Flowers]

Not really. Even though Eric is her husband, even though he is allegedly finding evidence, even though he is tied up in some weird way to Ashley, who seems to keep finding herself at the center of this thing, St. Joseph county investigators don't seem to question Eric at all until more than six months after Brittany went missing. And even that appears to have been this like super short interaction. From what I can tell during that little chat, Eric even admitted he hadn't spoken directly with any law enforcement about Britsky case before, and he had only passed information through guess who? Ashley. And it wouldn't be until nearly five freaking years later that they would actually sit him down for a 45 minute formal recorded interview.

[Britt]

How is this even remotely acceptable for an investigation?

[Ashley Flowers]

You tell me. As someone from the Michiana area, it is embarrassing.

[Britt]

Yes.

[Ashley Flowers]

Now, while the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office did provide us with the records, they never got back to us regarding our request for an interview. But you know what is so bizarre about all of this Eric and Ashley stuff?

[Britt]

I mean, I could go on, but you're going to tell me something new.

[Ashley Flowers]

Whether it was only with like the pure intentions like that Ashley describes, there is no doubting that Ashley puts herself at the heart of this case. She is definitely cooperating with investigators, providing them with theories and leads to chase down people she thinks should be looked at as a suspect. But for some reason, at least in the files we have, in all of the talking and finger pointing she's doing, she never seems to suggest that they look at Eric. Instead, she really focuses her attention on. On someone else close to Britney. Not Eric, not J.J. the one who supposedly had this like freaking receipt or like some kind of connection to someone who had the receipt or whatever. No. She turns the tables on Britney's own mom, Jessica Rolf. Now, to be fair, we know that Jessica is suspicious of Ashley too. So they're both pointing the finger at each other. And the accusations against Jessica kind of stick for at least a brief moment in time. And that's because of some disturbing voice memos between mother and daughter that end up getting leaked. Starting a new business can be intimidating. I mean, the amount of tasks you have to juggle can get overwhelming quickly. And it's like you have to be an expert in everything all at Once. I mean, you think when I started Crime Junkie, I thought I would be running a merch store one day? I know. But when that day came, before I could even hire help, I had to expertly run a merch store. And I did it with Shopify. And you know what? It doesn't matter how big we've grown, how many team members we have who are actual experts now, we still use Shopify. Shopify drives e commerce. Whether you're a household name like audiocheck now or or if you're a creator just getting started like I was eight years ago, the platform acts as your built in business partner and simplifies all your tasks. Imagine the ease of building your dream store with hundreds of beautiful templates. Leverage AI writing tools for product descriptions and photo enhancements. In seconds, you can even create email and social campaigns with ease. So start your business today with the industry's best partner, Shopify, and start hearing. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com crimejunkie go to shopify.com crimejunkIe that's shopify.com crimejunkiE

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[Ashley Flowers]

Ashley Hooley believes Brittany's mom, Jessica Rolf, at the very least knows more than she's saying about what happened to Brittany. Because according to the case file, there was speculation that Britt's disappearance was somehow linked to retaliation of some sort. Like maybe Jessica owed some dangerous people money or there were like stolen drugs or something of like of the sort there. Now, to be very clear, investigators never publicly substantiated any of those claims against Jessica. But this is where the case really starts spiraling. Because even by Jessica's own account, she and Brittany did have a complicated relationship. They fought about drug use, they fought about the custody of Britney's children. And Jessica admits that she and Britney had even fought over men. They had been involved with two of the same guys over the years. Although apparently, like at different times. You can imagine this left a lot of room for rumors to run rampant. A series, especially considering Jessica herself was wrapped up in the local drug scene and struggling with substance use back then. So none of it looked good. But after several years of what seems like back and forth finger pointing, this video gets blasted online that plays horribly for Jessica. It's a recording of one of their mother daughter arguments from not too long before Britt went missing. And honestly, it is hard to hear, but because it's already out there and has become part of the narrative surrounding this case, I felt like it was important to acknowledge and to play for you, to play for everyone listening. But it has been edited down slightly for time's sake. Now, this is from about a month before Britt went missing. And these voice memos seem to center around a man named Daniel, who Britney had dated and then Jessica had had a thing with. Now Daniel seemed to be stoking the fire around like Britney's custody of her children. She had recently given up custody and her mom was furious.

[Jessica Rolf (Angry Voice)]

First off, you destroyed yourself. You are a toxic waste to everything and everybody you touch. Secondly, no, I'm not gonna threaten you about jail. I'm not gonna threaten you about Daniel. I am kind of threatening about Daniel. But you need to shut your big ass mouth. Don't be making phone calls. Don't be sending people to sending messages like you are full of. Everybody knows it. You're sick in the head. There's something wrong with you. Seek help. That's what you need to do immediately. You with people's lives. You tormented mine. You torment your dad. You torment everybody's. You torment Daniel. You torment your children. You suck, dude. You suck. You suck the life right out of people. Nobody likes you. We do not want to talk to you. We do not want to hear from you.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yep, and you're blocked again.

[Jessica Rolf]

And no, actually I'm doing great, thank you.

[Ashley Flowers]

But you have a good one. And don't contact me anymore. You're not my mom, okay? You mean nothing to me.

[Jessica Rolf]

And as far as Daniel, that was my closure.

[Ashley Flowers]

I don't really give a.

[Jessica Rolf]

Other than that I don't have anything to say. So have a nice life, stop contacting me. And no, I could just see my

[Ashley Flowers]

kids on a regular basis.

[Jessica Rolf]

All of them.

[Ashley Flowers]

Thank you.

[Jessica Rolf (Angry Voice)]

So stop texting him, stop calling him, stop emailing him, stop everything, stop having people contact him or I am going to let everybody know where little Miss Brittany is at and I'm gonna ruin your life. Stay the away from everybody.

[Ashley Flowers]

I was Just granted visitation with my

[Jessica Rolf]

boys so it doesn't really matter. You do you and I'll do me

[Ashley Flowers]

and you can live your dope style life with Daniel and let him keep ruining your life too. He's a piece of I don't give a about him. And I moved back out of state so it doesn't really matter.

[Jessica Rolf]

And yep, that's when my dad talks to me on a regular basis now too. Huh. And as far as Daniel goes, I'm

[Ashley Flowers]

with somebody so I don't really give a shit. Like I said, that was just my closure. I could care less about him.

[Britt]

Those are tough to listen to.

[Ashley Flowers]

And what I'll say is this. Jessica told us that she is not proud of what she said. She seemed to own it though. These voice memos haunt her. They are played over and over again sometimes when she least is expecting it. One of her lowest moments on repeat. But she says it's taught her to be more careful about what she says out of anger because you never know what your last words to someone might be. And those being hers to Britt is something that she has to live with now. But she is adamant that no matter how ugly those recordings sound, Britney did not deserve what happened to her. She never wanted any harm to come to her daughter and she firmly believes that as Ashley put those out just to make her look bad and to divert suspicion away from her and Eric. And Ashley admitted to us, yes, she was the one who originally got access to that video. But she says the story is a bit more complicated than that because she claims at one point she was helping Jessica get into an old Facebook account while they were still on good terms. But like, long story short, that changes. They're no longer cool. And then she finds these voice memos between Britt and Jessica on Jessica's account. So while she says she's the one who discovered them, she also is saying she's not the one responsible for actually circulating them online. She said that she only shared it with some of Britt's other family members, like people she thought needed to know and like that's how it got blasted out. Now when all of this is said and done, there is nothing that I've come across that seems to put Jessica with her daughter the night that she went missing or anywhere near Fawn River Road.

[Britt]

You mean like a gas receipt?

[Ashley Flowers]

Like that?

[Britt]

I get that where there's smoke, there's usually fire. But what I am really struggling to find here is the why. Like let's say Ashley and Eric, at least at A minimum know a little bit more than what they're saying. What do they know? Why did she go missing? Cause I've been out there, I've been in Sturgis. I really struggled to believe that this is a random person who could have picked her up. Like, where does this mystery man come in in all of this?

[Ashley Flowers]

Well, it is possible that mystery man isn't that much of a mystery at all.

[Podcast Advertiser]

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[Britt]

Wait, did anyone look at Daniel?

[Ashley Flowers]

Oh, they definitely looked at Daniel. Like obviously due to all the drama and stuff. Not Daniel. He like apparently was living at the Florida at the time though. I thought there was like some back and forth questions, like, was he, wasn't he? I don't know. I don't think it matters because he is like ultra tatted, like even on his face. So like identifiable. Yeah, but anyways, not Daniel, but still might be someone she already knows. Like, don't get me wrong, Mystery man has still never conclusively been identified. But here is the thing about the sketches that were done of mystery Guy. So the first one, the one that I showed you already, that one was done by like Grandma's description In 2019, a couple of months after like the incident. That's the guy with like the long skinny face, the sideburns. That one didn't really get circulated publicly. Like, for some reason. Investigators only seem to show it to some people they talked to, asking who who it like looked like to them. Britney's dad, Greg, who is grandma Vicky's son, told us that he was told. Detectives never really completely trusted that sketch, which, like. And he's like, look, I kind of get it like, right. Remember their interaction was super brief. Like people were in and out of that house all the time. Perhaps that one was wrong. But for some unknown reason, detectives thought that they could get something better, even if it was like way down the line. So in 2023 they get like a whole new sketch from Britney's cousin who was apparently around when Brit and this mystery guy were there.

[Britt]

How is something done five years later more accurate than grandma a couple months out?

[Ashley Flowers]

The only thing that like I can make make sense for myself is like the person, this cousin who gives this, they were a teenager. So like total shot in the dark. Maybe they hadn't been like drinking like other people in the house or like weren't intoxicated in some way. Like more like clear minded. Either way, 2023, they give a description and somehow police feel confident in this second one. Now I'm gonna still post both just in case, like they're not wildly different, in my opinion. And all of that to say between the two, first, second, whatever. Some people thought that the general description of this mystery man maybe kinda sorta fit Sheldon. We know that. Right. Despite the family knowing him. But some people have also wondered whether Eric could have been the mystery man at grandma's house.

[Britt]

How would they know Sheldon but not Eric?

[Ashley Flowers]

Though on paper, I know that sounds like ridiculous, but according to people close to the family, most of the family hadn't seen Eric in a long time. Like him and Britt are separated, they're not living together. And in that time, I guess his appearance had apparently changed drastically, likely due to his drug use. So Brit, that body cam footage of the traffic stop that we got earlier, that actually may be one of the most accurate views we have of Eric circa the time Britney like vanished. Because that's from December 2018, remember? And like there's something like, I noticed that there's sideburns. Uh huh. But the other problem I have though is like he's got a big beard and glasses and we heard that he strictly was like a glasses guy.

[Britt]

Yeah, I honestly don't see how it could be him.

[Ashley Flowers]

Yeah, you would think that that would have like stood out. Plus, remember, based on the timeline Ashley gave us, it probably wouldn't have worked for Eric to be mystery Man. But if we believe that, we have to believe that the timeline Ashley is giving us is accurate.

[Britt]

Okay, let's just say mystery man isn't Eric. It still feels like he knows something. So again I ask why? Like who actually has motive to want Britney gone?

[Ashley Flowers]

So of all of the things that have come up over the years, all of the rumors, all of the finger pointing, I'm telling you, this case is like a. You can get lost in it. I don't have like a firm this is it reason to point to, but there is something that I can point to and say, I think the answer might be here.

[Britt]

Ish.

[Ashley Flowers]

So we got word that Brittany had been talking to this guy named Zachary Bowman, seemingly romantically. And the very evening that she went missing, they talked on the phone several times. Like it even sounds like one of these calls took place on her way to Grandma's.

[Britt]

Is he Mystery Man?

[Ashley Flowers]

Well, this I know is not possible because he is in prison at the time. That is the only reason that we even solidly know about these calls.

[Britt]

Okay, I was going to ask that again.

[Ashley Flowers]

They're recorded on a prison line. And Brit, it sounds like we are the first ones to obtain these recordings. So I Was praying that there was going to be some new tidbit of information from them. Like maybe Britt would drop a name or a location, a hint that we would hear some, like something strange in the background, anything. Because I definitely believe that she picked up mystery man on the way to Grandma's. And although she doesn't end up revealing who it was who was gonna be with her that night, I do think there is something in one of these calls that we got that could be telling. But I need to give you some quick background context first. So at the time that Brittany goes missing, we know that Ashley says that she's dating a guy that I mentioned earlier, Pocket. Real name, Curtis Pauley. So part of her alibi, outside of Eric being over at her place for most of the night, is that she stayed home upset because Pocket had apparently just been picked up by police. Apparently he'd previously been on probation for something drug related and decided to ditch his monitoring device. So in one of the calls with Zack, it sounds like Britney is maybe just about to leave Sheldon's house for the evening. So that's the context you need to know going into this call. And the one that I'm gonna play you some clips from is at a time when I think Britney is maybe just about to leave Sheldon's house for the evening. So take a listen and then we'll talk about it.

[Jessica Rolf]

Oh, my God. I have to tell you something.

[Dispatcher]

What's that?

[Jessica Rolf]

Polly went to jail.

[Dispatcher]

Polly?

[Jessica Rolf]

Yeah, he got picked up yesterday at seven at night. Huh.

[Dispatcher]

I ain't gonna lose no sleep over it.

[Jessica Rolf]

Thank you.

[Dispatcher]

That means either way, he's just absconding or he catch more charges.

[Jessica Rolf]

I have no idea. Ashley hasn't said anything to me. Well, I asked her about it, but she hasn't responded.

[Dispatcher]

That means if he's in jail, I can get word to him now.

[Jessica Rolf]

Yep.

[Dispatcher]

I mean, I could have been the first.

[Jessica Rolf]

Well, you. No, no, you better. No, don't do that right now. You need to wait a little bit. Only because when I was up, I don't. I don't need anything to come back on me. I don't need him to get a hair in his ass because of what he said to me got repeated back to you. You feel me? I said I don't. I don't need him wanting to do some revengeful shit because something that he said to me got back to you, why he's in there sitting on whatever he's sitting.

[Dispatcher]

It don't matter what was said, period. It all comes out anyway. It don't matter. I always find out anything. It doesn't matter what it is. This is how it's been. It was like that with all my baby mamas.

[Jessica Rolf]

I'm not talking like that. You know what I'm talking about. Bye.

[Dispatcher]

What's up?

[Jessica Rolf]

I was telling dead by, but no, I can't. I can't say what I want to say over the phone. But there's a reason why I don't want you to say anything right now. I was hanging around Eric. His Pocketful. Lady in pocket. Okay, so I don't. I don't need anything said right now.

[Britt]

It feels like they're, like, talking in a code.

[Ashley Flowers]

I mean, probably they know they're being recorded, right? And I don't know about you, but I feel like there's like, some tension there. Like code or no code. Like, the vibe I get is that Britney has been hanging out with Eric, Ashley, and Ashley's boyfriend Pocket, who is now in jail where Zack is already at. And it sounds like Britt has something, like maybe some dirt on at least one of them and she doesn't want what she has, like, getting back to that person or to someone. And like, I don't know, maybe this means nothing.

[Britt]

I mean, I definitely sensed something.

[Ashley Flowers]

Same.

[Britt]

So what's Zach in prison for then?

[Ashley Flowers]

Also something drug related, but, like, seemingly separate, not whatever like Pocket was, like, going away for. Okay, I don't know. Maybe Britney or Zach, like, knew how Pocket, like, ended up getting picked up by police. Like, could Brit have been the one who ratted him out? I don't know. Our reporter Madison tried tracking down Zach and Pocket, hoping that they might remember what the heck she was talking about, but she has not had any luck reaching them. And of course, we tried reaching out to everyone named in this episode too, including Eric Shank, but as of this recording, Eric never got back to us. And listen, when we asked Ashley straight up if she is involved or if she knows more, she said most definitely not. And I want to point something out that I find, like, pretty odd. And I'm not sure, like, where the disconnect is, but it's like, concerning no matter what is going on here. So in the case file, there is this mention of detectives talking to Ashley about potentially taking a polygraph, but then there's like, no info on whether or not they followed through. So obviously we asked people like we were speaking to about this. Did they hear about the results? Did it happen? And Britney's dad, Greg told Madison that St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office Told him that both Ashley and Eric ended up taking polygraphs and they passed. But plot twist. Ashley told Mads that she never ended up taking one at all.

[Britt]

But wouldn't a past polygraph be good for her? Like, that would, like, help her out a little bit?

[Ashley Flowers]

I would think so. She told us she was supposed to take one. Like, she even went in for it. And she spent more than three hours being, like, pre screened, only to ultimately not be tested because the examiner felt like she hadn't gotten enough sleep. Apparently, like, she had been on the road a lot for work around that time. And she said that she spent several months trying to coordinate a second exam with a detective, but then, like, it eventually just, like, died off.

[Britt]

I can't even, like, come up with a reason for any of that to make sense, right?

[Ashley Flowers]

Like, is someone in law enforcement so confused that they're, like, imagining polygraphs that never happened?

[Britt]

Or is maybe, like, Ashley confused about the pre questions, like the pre screening? Maybe they just told her it was like, the beginning part, but it wasn't.

[Ashley Flowers]

I mean, I doubt it. Like, at least from what I know and, and admittedly, like, I don't. I've never seen, like, all a bunch of polygraphs. Like, but I think that, like, they do the pre screen before you're like, hooked up to the machine. I think you would know if you were taking a polygraph.

[Jessica Rolf]

Right?

[Ashley Flowers]

I mean, this is, this is just like the perfect example in my mind of, like, this encapsulates the case, like we're missing something. And, like, the lies don't even, like, make sense if there are lies. Or is it like, everyone's got their wires so crossed I don't even understand, understand the things that are being said. And yes, I think we are missing a piece, but I, like, I really think someone out there has to have the piece. So, like, this is my plug to everyone to reach out to us. Tipsoudiochuck.com because, Brit, I find that with the stories that have this kind of local following, people tend to come out of the woodwork with important information. And no matter which theory you follow, like, something just doesn't work here. And maybe that's because what happened wasn't planned. I mean, I think there's a real possibility something spiraled. Maybe tensions that had already been brewing finally boiled over. Maybe drugs were involved. It could have been an accident and people panicked afterward. Some people believe that mystery man eventually caught back up with Britney after she left John's house, called for help, like, went by that second house and Then, like, whatever happened next just went horribly wrong. Others have even speculated that Britney may have been hit by a car sometime after leaving that teen's house. Maybe Mystery man had called for a ride for them. That person hit her, and then it was covered up. And honestly, when you remember how dark and foggy those roads were that night, there was, like, a little bit of snow. Plus, the possibility of drugs being involved. It's not hard to imagine how quickly things could have taken a dangerous turn. Almost every scenario in my mind, though, involves someone else. Mystery man hasn't come forward. So there has got to be a reason for that, right? Like, if he knows what happened, he had to have gotten a ride out of there from someone with or without Britney. I want to know who else was in that area. We know detectives didn't even talk to Eric for forever. Like, did they get his phone records? Ashley's, JJ's? Anybody's? I would love to know who was in communication with who that night.

[Britt]

Right?

[Ashley Flowers]

Maybe one of them were even out that way. I mean, Google doesn't offer geolocation info to police anymore, but they did for a long time after this case. I want to know what detectives have and who was in that area. And as unlikely as it seems, it is possible that there was some. Someone out there who isn't part of Britney's circle. I mean, there was some, like, super strange events that happened, like, out that way after she vanished. Like, for example, a couple of weeks after Britney goes missing, a woman in a neighboring county reported that someone driving a white Cadillac stole gas off her farm. Seemingly unrelated. Right? Well, the ring cam footage of the event ends up being circulated. And that's when some people in town start saying that they can hear Britney screaming in the background, like. Like maybe she was being held captive by the guys who were in this car. Even Grandma Vicki reportedly thought that the man who turned out to be the driver of that car resembled Mystery Man. But the man later claimed that it was only a friend asleep in the car who he had, like, startled awake or something. And deputies did process the vehicle, even recovered blood evidence. But when testing came back, the samples belonged to two unidentified men. Dead end. Then there was an abandoned property off of guess where. Fawn River Road that investigators paid really close attention to. This was, like, a place tied to rumors. Like, basically that after the crash, Britney had been taken there against her will, where she was subsequently assaulted, tortured, and eventually killed. There had also been sex trafficking rumors tied to this house, which I think is important to mention, knowing what JJ brought Up earlier in that body cam footage. And what really, like, fueled this theory around this house was the fact that it burned down via arson, possibly to try and cover things up. Question mark. Investigators photographed the scene, searched the property multiple times, even collected evidence, all after the fire. And they even found women's underwear that looked like it was the kind that Britt wore. Like, found near a burn pit. There was a knife with what looked like possible blood stains in the basement, along with more suspicious stains on the basement floor. Again, you're thinking, like, this has to be it. I guess all of it turned out to be nothing, apparently wasn't actually blood, and likely nothing was connected to this case and Britt. There is so much more where that came from. Stuff like this, if anyone were to want to go down, like, a deep rabbit hole, there is this podcast called Hide and Seek, hosted by James Basinger. He is, like, deep, deep, deep, deep in this case has been for literal years. The guy's done, like, 50 plus episodes just on Britney's case. That's how much there is to this. So anyone who wants can go take a listen. Britney's case was his third season. He's done a couple now. I really liked the one that he did his first season on, Nancy Moyer. So that's hide and seek. Go listen. You can go way deeper. You'll hear. I mean, so many stories like this. And, like, this is the thing about these stories. Like, some of them are so detailed and specific and disturbing. That part of me wonders, like, how could all of this just be made up? But then there's another part of me that wonders, like, what if what we're really seeing here is just like an entire community trying to make sense of something horrific after one of their own vanished? Because sadly, in worlds shaped by instability and rocky relationships and paranoia, trust disappears fast. People hide things. People protect each other. Stories shift. Rumors spread faster than actual facts do. And once fear enters the picture, every coincidence starts feeling sinister. So I keep coming back to the simple things. The Facebook messages that disappeared. How did Britney's gas receipt actually turn up? I think somebody out there really does know exactly what happened to Brittany Wallace schenck that day, November 30, 2018. And maybe all the accusations and the chaos and the outlandish stories just served another purpose entirely. Maybe it was creating so much noise that detectives would never find the truth buried underneath it. But I believe the answers are there, and I believe that the right person can still get to them. So if any of our listeners know anything about the disappearance of Brittany Wallace Schenck, especially if you recognize the man in the sketches, which we've also posted to our blog. You can contact the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Office at 269-467-9045. You can find all the source material for this episode on our website crimejunkie,

[Britt]

and you can follow us on Instagram @crimejunkiepodcast.

[Ashley Flowers]

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[Britt]

Okay Crime Junkies. You know, I absolutely love a twist and a turn, especially when it comes to people who turn out to be someone they're not. That's why I have been obsessed with the podcast Chameleon. Every Thursday, host Josh Dean deep dives into a scam so bizarre it will leave you wondering, how did they get away with that? It is truly one of my favorite podcasts right now, and I've been listening for years. I think you'll love it too. Listen to Chameleon wherever you get your podcasts.