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Hi crime junkies. I'm your host, Britt and we're shaking things up with not one, but two episodes hitting your feed today. And here's why. The lead detective in a case out of our home state of Indiana reached out to us because he needs your help. He's got this case that's pretty fresh, meaning there's a little bit less information than usual. So we decided to cover two Indiana stories. Ashley is bringing you the other and it's actually already in your feed. But this one we knew we had to tell because they are this close to solving it. They're pretty sure they know who is behind the murder of two young women in Hobart, Indiana and why. But there's a twist. The DNA they have in the case doesn't match the main person they suspected. So are they wrong or is the DNA just misleading? I have theories, but one of you out there might have the answer. This is the story of Destiny Jackson and Nasira Muhammad Sa. If you've been listening to Crime Junkie for a while, or even if you're a new listener, you know that a lot of the stories we tell start with a loved one getting worried that moment that they realize that something is wrong. But on the morning of Friday, Nov. 4, 2022, a woman named Felicia isn't all that worried. She hasn't heard from her little sister, 20 year old Destiny Jackson in a little over a day, which is unusual for them because they live together along with Felicia's boyfriend Todd and Destiny's 19 year old girlfriend Nyzeera Mohammed. But even when Nyra's mom calls her saying that she can't get a hold of her daughter or Destiny, Felicia's not thinking that something bad has happened. Felicia knows their sleep schedules are a little bit off at the moment. Nyra isn't in school at the time. Destiny's taking some online classes and working part time, but they're staying up late, sleeping in late, doing like normal college age things. Plus Felicia knows that Destiny turns on the do not disturb when she sleeps. So even when she tries calling Destiny herself and gets sent straight to voicemail, that doesn't feel weird. Unfortunately, Felicia and Todd aren't home where they all live in Hobart, Indiana. They've been gone on a brief trip an hour away to Chicago, so Felicia can't just go into their room and check on them. So instead she keeps trying her sister, but no answer. After so many unanswered calls, she asks her brother who she's staying with in Chicago, hey, can you check and see if you can see her location? But he can't. Still though, Felicia isn't worried. She figures she'll hear from her sister soon. But it's not her sister who calls her later. It's Nyra's mom again. And she's still worried. And that's when she says something that finally makes Felicia a little nervous. According to Felicia, she tells her that she recently sent her daughter a large sum of money. She doesn't remember how much it was or exactly when or even why, though she knew that her mom had been supporting her financially, so it wasn't totally out of the blue, But I don't know, something about it just made her sister Spidey senses tingle. So better safe than sorry. Felicia decides to call local police for a welfare check that afternoon. When police get to the apartment, even from the outside, there is a sign that something is wrong. Bags of groceries are sitting outside the apartment. They don't look old, like they haven't been sitting there for days, but there are perishables in there, so leaving them just out in the hall feels like off. And from the moment police step into the apartment, they know that they've walked into a crime scene. Bullet casings litter the floor. There are bullet holes in the hallway wall, and blood spatter leads them from a bathroom to the primary bedroom. There they find the bodies of two young women, Both of whom have suffered multiple gunshot wounds. One of them, Nyzeera, is lying on the floor kind of on her side from the way she's laying. And based on the bullet holes and blood in the bathroom and hallway, it looks like she may have been in the bathroom when the attack started and was trying to run away from her attackers before succumbing to her wounds in the bedroom. And that Destiny is in bed with the covers still pulled up, almost like she was caught while sleeping. The two are long past life saving measures. They're going to have to go back to Felicia and confirm the worst case scenario. But while some officers are tasked with notifications, others begin combing through the apartment, trying not to lose any more precious time. One of the things they try to do is determine exactly how the killer got in. Because the apartment is on the second floor and the front door was locked with no signs of forced entry. But there is an unlocked and slightly still open sliding glass door in the living room. It leads out to a balcony and below they see that a table owned by one of the neighbors has been pushed to right underneath that balcony. And in the middle is a single dirty shoe print. That shoe print is one of the first pieces of evidence they photograph and collect. But it's not the only thing. There are those numerous shell casings along with Destiny's phone and Nyzeera's phone case. At first blush, they think the killer must have taken the phone itself. But they didn't take it far because they end up finding her phone off to one side of the main road that leads into the apartment complex. And by the time they get to it, it's crushed to pieces. They think whoever took it might have thrown it out a car window as they were fleeing. Which leads them to search even further across the road and down the street, where they turn up more potential two pairs of gloves. One is a blue latex pair, think like medical gloves, and the other is gray with black rubber palms, almost like work gloves. Now, Detective Gallagher, the lead detective on this case, told our reporter that he doesn't think the gray work gloves are connected, but the blue, like medical gloves, might be, based on where they are in proximity to the phone. They're directly across the street, almost as if the killer tossed the phone out one window and the gloves out the other as they were driving away. Investigators send everything they can off for testing to the Indiana State Police Laboratory while they request phone and social media records for both women and speak to their families and neighbors. When police interview both families, they're able to establish a clear timeline of when the homicides likely occurred. Nazira's mom says she last spoke to Nazira around 9:31pm on November 2, and she got a TikTok from Nyzeera that was sent to her around 1:36am on the 3rd. Then Felicia says she last heard from Destiny a little after midnight on the third as well. But after that, there was radio silence from both of them. So investigators believed they'd likely been killed in the middle of the night or sometime the morning of the third. But when they talk to neighbors, no one reports hearing any gunshots or seeing anything out of the ordinary, which I okay, sure, maybe everyone was asleep. But what I find even stranger is that when police walked into the bedroom, there was a hairdryer that was plugged into the wall, and it was still running. So it must have been running for, like, over a day. And I've lived in apartments before, and sound travels a lot and forever and long. So it feels really strange to me that no one would have clocked that the hairdryer was blasting, like, all day. Now, my first thought was that the killer may have plugged it in and tried to start a fire. It was right next to nyzeera's body. But Detective Gallagher doesn't think that's the case. He told our team that the women probably kept it in their room, and Nyzeera may have been using it at the time of the break in, which that threw me for a loop, too, because I knew, based on the crime scene, that their theory had been that she had been in the bathroom when the attack happened or when she was first shot. So I had our reporter try and clear that up with the detective But I didn't actually get any clarity. He just said that she was probably in the bathroom when the attack first started, then tried to run into the bedroom, been using the hairdryer, got up to get something from the bathroom, and then that's when the break in occurred. Or maybe she was using it, heard someone come in, went to the hall to look, saw them, jumped in the bathroom first. Or maybe she was in the bathroom and then, like, tripped over the blow dryer as she ran into the bedroom. I mean, it's hard to know for sure, but Detective Gallagher's confident that it wasn't put there to try and start a fire after they were killed, which they can pinpoint to an exact time thanks to Nyzeera's phone records. At 4:30am on the 3rd, they learned that she'd actually called 911. And that call is disturbing, to say the least. We have the audio, but we are not going to play it, because in it, you don't hear much. I mean, nothing that helps. Just gunshots and sounds from Nyzeera that make it clear that she's scared and then dying. It's fast, but it's heartbreaking. The call gets cut short, and police couldn't pinpoint Nyzeera's location. You can't with cell phones, so they couldn't respond at the time. What the call does give them now, though, is a precise time of when Nysera and Destiny were killed. And they have to figure out where everyone they knew was at that time, and they have to figure out what the motive might be. The why usually leads you to the who. And this is when the two families divide. Nyra's family starts to question if Felicia and her boyfriend Todd may have had something to do with it. I mean, how convenient it was that this is the time that they were gone and there had been some conflict, though they were your normal roommate conflicts, nothing violent, but I think they're just looking for anything, any explanation for this inexplicable loss. But police are quickly able to rule that out. Phone records and witnesses put them in Chicago on the second before Destiny and Nyeera's last cell phone communications, just like they said. But actually, the reason they were there makes police wonder if this was a targeted attack by a family member, just a different one than Phylicia. It turns out the reason Felicia was in Chicago when the murders occurred was because she was meeting with police about pressing sexual assault charges against her and Destiny's brother, Terrence. Both she and Destiny had allegedly experienced sexual Abuse by him, Destiny when she was a child, and Phylicia had been assaulted more recently. Now Felicia is the only one pressing charges. And he hasn't had contact with Destiny in over a year. Not since he reached out, promising to make things up to her, which she rejected. But with charges potentially incoming, they're wondering if he broke in targeting Felicia or maybe Destiny 2 and Nyzeera was just collateral damage. But I'm not going to drag this out. After digging into his whereabouts on the second and third, he is ruled out. He denies being involved, and his phone records confirm that he wasn't in Hobart. Investigators even speak with his girlfriend, who corroborates that he was in Chicago, and her phone records match up with his. And just in case you were wondering, because I know our crime junkies are always sleuthing for the missing piece or the angle that hasn't been explored, there's no evidence anyone in Destiny's family hired someone to do this either. And really, when you break down the motive for Terrance, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Killing Destiny wouldn't stop Felicia from pressing charges. In fact, Felicia still met with police, and Terrance got charged and eventually was sentenced to 18 years. Destiny's family agrees with police. In the end, they don't think the whole Terrence thing is related. They actually don't think Destiny was the target at all. They think Nyzeera was. And here's the context for that thinking. Felicia tells police that Nyzera was known for purchasing really large quantities of weed at one time. She got it from multiple dealers, but no one knew how she paid for all of it because, remember, Nyzeera was unemployed. So Felicia's wondering if maybe she didn't pay repeatedly and one of her dealers felt they'd been ripped off. Felicia even told our team that she knows Nyzeera had several sandwich sized bags of marijuana in the apartment when she left, but police couldn't find any in the apartment when they searched. It seems to be the only thing that was taken, assuming Nyzeera still had it all when they were killed. Now, is this why she asked her mom for that large amount of money Felicia told us about? Maybe she was trying to pay someone back. It would make sense if she actually got that large sum of money. And there's some confusion around that. Felicia is adamant that's what Nyzeera's mom told her the first day that she called her. But Nyzera's mom later states to police that her daughter never asked for that money. So I don't know what to make of the discrepancy is is someone lying? More likely, it's misremembering. Trauma does a hell of a lot to the brain, so I wouldn't fault either of them if their truth was slightly off from center. Either way, police are in on this owing someone money theory, and they have a pretty good idea who she owed money to.
