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MURDERED: Elizabeth Barraza
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Elizabeth Barraza was 29 when she was gunned down in her driveway in Tomball, Texas, while setting up for a garage sale. The murder was so calculated and shocking, police were certain they'd catch her killer within hours. But years later, the case is still unsolved. And her family’s hoping that someone can help bring them the justice they've been desperately seeking.
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And the story I have for you, it is about the baffling murder of a young woman. It is the kind of case where, like, everything feels like it's gonna fall into place at first with all of the pieces that they have. They literally have the murder on film. So investigators are super confident that they're gonna catch their killer within hours. But six years have gone by and it is still unsolved. And Brit, like, this is one where truly when I say I have no idea what happened, I have no idea what happened because there is no theory that makes complete sense. And Nina and I, she's the reporter that worked on this. We were in my office, I mean, going round and round and round for literally like an hour talking about theories and feelings, and we were just losing our minds because we're trying to get the pieces to add up. But her family's hoping that someone, maybe somebody even listening or watching right now, can help bring them the justice that they have felt so desperately been seeking. This is the story of Elizabeth Barraza. It's around 7:20 on the morning of Friday, January 25, 2019, when Bob and Rosemary Nellie wake up to their phones buzzing. And it's a notification from the alarm system on their daughter's home. Now they know Elizabeth Liz, as everyone calls her, is holding a garage sale that day. So at first they think that she might have just accidentally set it off while she's like, going in and out of the house or whatever. But when they call her to check, she doesn't answer the phone. And things get even more unsettling when the alarm company contacts them directly because they tried calling Liz and they can't get ahold of her either. So Rosemary gives them the go ahead to notify police, and she and Bob throw on some clothes, jump in the car and head straight to Liz's home in Tomball, Texas, which is like 15 minutes away. Bob told our reporter Nina that a lot of that morning is just a blur for him at this point, but he does remember speaking to their daughter's husband, Sergio Barraza, on the drive over. Now, Sergio's not home. As a crew chief for his father's flooring company, he'd already left for the day. But he tells them that he also got the alarm alert. And when he checked their nest doorbell camera, like the live feed for it, he saw police tape and cops like in the background. And he even this is wild. He like used the speaker on the doorbell camera to try and talk to them. But like, what is going on? He did get someone's attention, but they wouldn' him what was happening. They just said that he needed to get home immediately. So when Bob and Rosemary pull into Liz's neighborhood, it is like every parent's worst nightmare unfolding before their eyes. Their daughter's usually quiet street is swarming with Emergency vehicles. First responders tell them that a young woman has just been airlifted to the hospital. And as they get closer, they realize that all the commotion and activity is centered around their daughter's house. And there is this trail of blood on the driveway mixed in near items that she had set out for the garage sale. Now, initially, officers are tight lipped, but they tell Bob and Rosemary the most critical detail, and that is that it was Liz, their daughter, who's been shot.
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How did they set off her alarm if she was shot out by the driveway?
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So the police were actually the ones who set it off. They were responding to 911 calls of gunshots in the neighborhood. And when they arrived, she was laying on the driveway near the garage, still breathing, but barely. She had like a faint pulse. That's where she was shot. And the alarm only went off when officers went through the unlocked door between the garage and the house to like secure the scene. So Bob and Rosemary are like reeling. Liz is the most positive person they know. She's creative, she's kind, always helping others. She's a Harry Potter fanatic who spends her free time reading and dressing as Star wars characters to visit sick kids. So like, in the immediate moment they're like, who on earth would do this to our daughter? And this isn't a high crime area either we're talking about. It is this nice middle class neighborhood drive by. Shootings are not something that they deal with. So before her parents can even begin to wrap their heads around this, Sergio pulls up and police ask him to stay nearby for questioning. So while he waits there, along with his mom who shows up to be with him, the Nellies rush to the trauma center to be with their daughter. They are clinging to Hope the whole 40 minute drive over, praying that she's going to pull through. But when they get to the hospital, the same one where Liz spent so many hours volunteering, doctors tell them that she's not going to make it. She's been shot point blank four times.
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Oh my God.
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Once through the side of her neck, twice in the chest, and finally once in the head. So while Liz is, is still technically alive, police know that it's going to be a homicide case now. And while her parents grieve, the Harris County Sheriff's office jumps in with Deputy Michael Richie at the helm. And as he and other investigators question Sergio, it quickly becomes clear to them that it actually hadn't been a typical morning for the couple even before the shooting. So normally, Liz leaves for work by 6:36,45 but she had taken the day off for that garage sale she was doing, which she had prioritized to make some extra spending money for her and Sergio's trip to Disney and Universal Studios. They were supposed to leave for Florida that Sunday to celebrate their upcoming fifth wedding anniversary. So between what Sergio tells investigators and what they're able to pull from the doorbell camera footage that he gives them, police know that Liz was up super early. She went to Starbucks at 6:08. And then the couple started setting up the sale in the driveway when she got back. And then Sergio left for work at exactly 6:48. Now, Sergio says that he drove to a Lowe's about five miles away to meet his flooring crew. Everything was fine until he got that security alert on his phone. And he explains that on his way home, he, like, actually actively was, like, rewinding the doorbell footage, trying to find out what happened. And while he couldn't see the shooting itself, he could hear it. And he shares the footage with investigators, too. Now, the sound quality isn't great, but what is audible is Liz greeting someone. And she's cheerful. She says good morning. And there's this, like, muffled, brief exchange of words, followed by four deafening gunshots. And then Liz screams. And there has been endless speculation about what was said in that quick conversation. But even after detectives enhance the audio, all they can hear for sure is just Liz's good morning, the shots, and the scream.
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But there's no visual of the shooter.
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Well, not on the Barraza's camera, but a neighbor's security camera caught the entire thing. This is what is so wild and why I said this case is so frustrating. So as Deputy Richie reviews all of the footage that he can get his hands on, he cannot believe how brazen it was. So what he sees is there's this dark colored pickup that pulls up at around 6:52am this is four minutes after Sergio left. The truck first passes Liz's house, then it, like, makes a U turn, parks at the curb, and then the driver, who appeared to be alone in the vehicle, leaves the vehicle running, walks over to where Liz was setting up. And it's so weird. They're wearing what looks like a disguise.
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What?
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It's like this. You can't really see because it's still dark outside. So the footage is almost like night vision kind of, but it's like a flowy coat or robe paired with what detectives call go go style boots. Like, I can't really see the boots. And then maybe this person has a really long hair or it might be a wig. And I'm saying, like, they, because, like, police can't even determine if this shooter is a man or a woman. The video quality, like I said, is super poor. Everything's cast in this, like, bluish gray tint. But this shooter approaches Liz. You can see them, like, have this exchange. It looks like they might even have shown her something. Like there's this moment where it looks.
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Like kind of a transaction.
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Yeah. But police don't find anything, like a note at the scene or something, a pamphlet or anything. And this person pulls out a gun, and they shoot her three times. She collapsed, and then they stood over her, and that's when they, like, fired that final shot to her head. And then as soon as that final shot is fired, they run back to their truck and leave. The entire encounter is over in less than a minute, which is a super.
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Short amount of time. But I'm thinking, like, people are leaving for work, taking, like, their dogs on walks. Did anyone see this happen?
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No. Like I said, it was still kind of dark out. Multiple people heard the gunshots. They're the ones who contacted 91 1. The first call actually came from a man who lived across the street. He had a clear view of the shooter's truck, which he's able to tell them is a Nissan Frontier that is almost certainly black. But this is what's really puzzling to investigators is that in less than two minutes after the neighbor called, while he was still on the phone with dispatch, there's this eerie moment where the truck drives back past the barraza's house again. And, like, everything about this crime looks so professional and planned and deliberate. But this doubling back past the scene, this is the part that seems sloppy, like an amateur move that, like, almost certainly would have gotten them caught. Like, given the right circumstances, were they.
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Coming back to get something? Like, did they stop, or was it just a drive by?
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No, like, they didn't stop. They didn't get out. Like, I don't know what the reason was. And unfortunately, again, this should have been a sloppy move. But for whatever reason, luck was on this shooter's side because no one gets a good look at their license plate number. And none of the surveillance footage that they do get is clear enough to ID it. But still, in those early times, Deputy Richie is optimistic. They've got this video footage. Plus constables were on the scene within minutes, and they quickly put out a BOLO for a black Nissan Frontier.
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So whoever did this didn't get a big head start.
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No, like, minutes, tops. From the time police arrived. But the real reason that Richie is so confident is that this seems way too methodical to be random. Like, this had to have been targeted.
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Feels pointed, right?
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Like, take how the shooter approached. When they pulled up, the Barraza's house was to their left. So the driver's side door was already facing the driveway. The easiest move would have been to just stop right next to it, Quick in, quick out. Instead, they make that u turn. They turn around and park, like, farther down the street. That meant getting out, walking around the front of the truck to reach the driveway, then running back after the shooting. But the maneuvering kept them mostly hidden from the barraza's nest camera. So Deputy Richie thinks that they knew where that camera was and what that camera could see.
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And maybe they parked further away because they had spotted that camera.
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Maybe. But whoever did this, the real feeling they're getting is that they must know a lot about the Barrazas. I mean, on any other day, Liz would not have even been home, let alone outside alone. Now, investigators figure that Sergio is going to give them a name. Like, who is the person that has a grudge against Liz, who drives a black Nissan Frontier? Like, case closed. But that's not what happens. Sergio mentions there is one woman who Liz had a disagreement with. She is a member of a Star wars fan group that they belong to. It's called the 501st Legion. But he insists that, like whatever disagreement they had, like, it was petty drama, Nothing that would ever lead to murder. Actually, the first thing Sergio suggests is maybe this was some kind of robbery gone wrong. But police know that that doesn't track. Nothing had been taken. Liz had a hundred bucks in a lockbox for making change for the garage sale. That's still there untouched.
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So, obvious question, but what about Sergio?
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You're right. It is obvious. And Deputy Richie isn't taking anything Sergio says at face value. He knows they have to start at square one. And square one is always the person closest to the victim.
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The investigators ask about the couple's marriage, which, according to Sergio, is perfect. They've been together for years, just like living their best lives with their dachshund diesel. No affairs, no serious issues. He tells them that he would never harm Liz, and detectives are confident that he didn't pull the trigger. I mean, even if they hadn't checked with the people that like he met up with at Lowe's, he doesn't even match the shooter seen on camera. Like, he's way more heavyset than the person on the footage. But like, to be fair, they know that doesn't rule out his involvement. Now in the moment, he's like, cooperative. He's respectful. Even when Deputy Richie tells him, like, hey, nothing personal, but like, as the husband, you're probably the prime suspect. But he gives them access to everything. The house, their electronics, his phone, Liz's phone, which she had with her and According to an episode of on the Case with Paula Zahn, he even tells them about a life insurance policy that she had through her employer, which he would be the beneficiary of, although he says that he doesn't even think it's worth that much. But from the start, investigators think, even if he is so cooperative, like, there is something off about him. Like, Sergio keeps saying how worried he was about Liz holding that garage sale alone, that he encouraged her to have someone with her, but she said she'd be fine, and that's actually why the alarm was set on the house to begin with, even though she was outside. He says that he had her set it on the door from the garage at the house. That way, if anything went wrong, all she would have to do was run to the door and open it, and then help would be on the way. Mm.
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I guess I'm trying to decide where the line is between, like, crime junkie preparanoid, and laying out all this groundwork to cover your tracks.
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It's strange. Yeah. Again, they're in a pretty nice neighborhood, too, which is, like, I keep taking into account. I don't think there was, like, a history of garage sale robberies or anything even remotely close. But Sergio just tells police that they're just super cautious people. But that isn't the only thing that's raising red flags. His overall demeanor is odd to them, like sitting in a police car listening to the doorbell camera audio with Deputy Richie. He almost seems calm, like the deputy is expecting some kind of reaction as they hear those, like, booming gunshots and they hear Liz scream. But Sergio's face is just blank. Now, some early police reports claim that Sergio never asked about Liz's condition, but that is actually not entirely accurate. So he was talking to investigators from at least two different agencies. And while he might not have asked everyone at some point, he definitely inquired about her status and whether he could go to the hospital. But when detectives finish questioning him and tell him he can leave, he doesn't. Deputy Richie watches as he kind of just lingers around. He's, like, talking to neighbors. He's checking out what the media is doing.
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Is he aware that Liz isn't going to make it?
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I'm not sure what investigators have told him or, like, what updates he's getting from her family, but obviously he knows that she's shot and has been airlifted to the hospital.
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Right. Like, it's clearly a pretty serious injury.
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Yeah. And his lack of urgency isn't what detectives expect in that situation. Now, meanwhile, the Nellies are at the hospital trying to process what feels like a nightmare. Liz is registered under an alias in case the shooter is still after her. Which is like such a weird, like reality for them to be in. They have no idea what is going to happen next or what they're supposed to do next.
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Are they wondering where Sergio, their son in law, is?
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Not really, no. Like everyone, I think everyone is just so focused on Liz and they know police needed to question him. Plus Bob and Rosemary trust him. They have never doubted that he loves their daughter. So when Sergio and his mom do finally get to the hospital, which is sometime that afternoon, he and Bob arrange one final act of generosity on Liz's behalf. They are going to donate her organs. And even in this devastating moment, they're thinking about how she can help others. So Liz is declared dead on Saturday, January 26 at 1:40pm but she is kept on life support for the next few days to preserve her organs. Her loved ones barely leave her side during that time. I mean, they're hardly sleeping or showering, let alone thinking about the investigation. Now Deputy Richie does show them a censored version of the shooting footage, hoping that they'll recognize the killer or maybe the truck, which they don't. But after listening to the audio, they are convinced that Liz didn't know the shooter because they said if she did, she wouldn't have said like good morning. She would have said like good morning. So and so like their name.
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And they're. They're sure about that?
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I think so. Yes, they are.
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I guess I'm trying to like think of how I greet my friends or like my neighbors.
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I don't, Yeah, I don't say people's. I'm like good morning, Bran. I'm just like, hey you like, you know what I mean?
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Yeah. Like I would say like good morning to anyone walking down the street.
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I think whether I knew them or not. Yeah, I kind of went back and forth. This is actually something I had Nina like, like push on. But she said she talked to them and they are like adamant that whoever the shooter was, Liz did not know the shooter. So by this point, the shooting video is circulating in the media as well. And while it hasn't given police the big break that they thought it would, it is still a huge help. They might not be able to ID the killer, but they can start ruling people out. Like Liz was 5:2. And all things considered, detectives estimate that the killer was, was somewhere between five'four and five'eight and they think they have an athletic build. Maybe they're like 140 to 175 pounds.
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Do they have a better sense of the shooter's gender?
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No, it's not clear enough on the video for them to say. There's a lot of early speculation that it's a woman. Deputy Richie specifically thinks their mannerisms and gait appear kind of feminine, but he knows that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But while they're grappling with the uncertainty, they are getting clarity on other areas too. So, like piecing together a timeline of the killer's movements from the area survival surveillance cameras. Now, it turns out that the frontier was in the Barraza's neighborhood hours before the shooting at around like 2 in the morning. Though investigator Richie says that it didn't pass by their house at that time.
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It was just in the neighborhood.
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Yeah, and they can't see who's driving because the footage is too grainy. And without a plate number, they can't be a hundred percent sure that it's the same frontier. But like everything else matches, they're like pretty sure it was in the neighborhood.
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At 2am, which makes even less sense. If we're working off the theory that they knew she'd be outside and timed it to when, like, Sergio might be leaving, then why even get there that early? Why would you be waiting around at 2am if they're already there? Why not attack when she goes out to get Starbucks at like 6:00?
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It's not. I don't think they think that the person was sitting there from like 2 to 7. Or at least that's like maybe not in the same spot. The camera only catches them, from what I understand, briefly at a round two. But then after that we don't know where the truck goes or what they're.
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Doing, if it's even there in the neighborhood at all.
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Were they lying in way off camera? Maybe? Did they leave and then come back? What we do know for sure is that they're back at around 6:48am, literally right as Sergio was leaving for work.
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So there's a chance that they came by at 2 to scope the area out.
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Maybe. But even that doesn't totally make sense because, like, they didn't actually, or apparently.
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They weren't by the house at 2, they were just like in the neighborhood.
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Right, because the Barraza's camera doesn't pick them up. So if they're scoping out the house, they're scoping the house outside of where.
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The house actually is.
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The camera view, which, which to me would mean that you already know about the house or that there's a camera. Yeah, I don't know.
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It feels like pre scoped.
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Right. But maybe they were just getting a feel for the neighborhood or, like, how.
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They'Re gonna, like, escape route situation.
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Yeah. Anyways, when they returned later that morning, the driver briefly rolled into the parking lot of a preschool near the entrance of the Brazos subdivision. Then they pulled out and headed toward their street. But instead of turning right toward their house, they make that left, hit a U turn, stop the truck, and then cut the lights. Now, from where they parked, it seems like they knew Sergio's van would pass them. Almost like about four minutes after he left. That's when the killer makes their move. And I know this is a lot to visualize. So we are going to have maps and stuff on the blog post along with links to the videos that I've been talking about, which various news sites have already shared. So the whole point is, the whole thing seems carefully planned. Even the murder weapon, which they haven't found, points to that. So there were no shell casings at the scene, suggesting that the killer used A revolver, likely a.38 caliber, based on the bullets that they recovered. And revolvers keep their shell casings inside, which would be a smart choice for anyone who wants to avoid, like, leaving evidence behind or having to take the time to clean up evidence they left behind. So someone went to a lot of trouble to kill Liz and to get away with it. But now police need to figure out why. Because the why should lead them to the who. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp, and maybe your year is going to be brought to you by BetterHelp as well. Every January, it brings you 365 blank pages waiting to be filled in 2025. Maybe you're ready for a plot twist. Or maybe there's a part of your story that you've been wanting to revise. Life isn't about resolutions that fade by February. It's about picking up the pen and becoming the author of your own life. Think of therapy as your editorial partner, helping you write new chapters and create the meaningful story you deserve to live. BetterHelp is fully online, making therapy affordable and convenient, serving over 5 million people worldwide. Access a diverse network of more than 30,000 credentialed therapists with a wide range of specialties, and you can easily switch therapists at any time at no extra cost. Write your story with BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com crimejunkie to get 10% off your first month that's BetterHelp H-E-L-P.com crimejunkie.
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As detectives delve into Liz's world, there is one major focus, and that's the 501st Legion that star wars group. This isn't some casual fan club. It requires a serious commitment from members who dress as Star wars villains while doing charity work, which makes them think kind of about the strange disguise that the shooter wore. Maybe that unusual flowy costume in those boots could have been part of a stormtrooper uniform. Maybe like I actually have. It's so hard to see, but I have like a screenshot and I think it's actually better like in motion in the video. Yeah, yeah. Because you can see I've heard Princess Leia somewhere as well. But you can like see how it flows out.
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You described it as like a robe.
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Or I thought it looks like a house robe.
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Yeah, like a long coat that's like kind of billowing out or could billow out. And then there's definitely like again, go go boots. Or now that you mention it, stormtrooper boots. Would that's what they think make sense?
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I don't know. And listen, even though like most of what this group is about is charity, anytime you Have a large, passionate group of people, Drama feels a little inevitable. And Liz's local squadron was no exception. Investigators hear about personality clashes, rivalries, arguments.
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B
And what about the woman that Sergio had mentioned earlier? Especially since there's a chance the shooter might be female.
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They check her out, but after interviewing her, they're convinced that she's not involved. And actually, after looking at all of them in this group, they don't think Liz's killer was on the group's roster. And by the way, none of them drive a frontier. So at that point, the investigators turn their attention to another big part of Liz's life, Her job. Now she's a data reporter at the Rosen Group, which is this company that inspects oil and gas pipelines lines. So she worked at the Houston branch with a small, close knit team. And it doesn't take investigators long to clear all of them, too. Liz was the only one who was out of office that Friday. And when they map out her colleagues addresses and times that they showed up for work, it is clear that none of them could have killed her. And again, no frontiers in the mix.
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So what about her actual work? Like, could she have found out about something she wasn't supposed to?
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Deputy Richie considers that, but he says that her job duties were, like, really straightforward. She literally just, like, took data from robots that inspect pipelines and then turned in reports. So, like, there is nothing he can see that would make her a target. The thing that seemed to maybe make her a target, or I should say, like an easy target on that particular day was the garage sale. And I have to believe, like, so many people I've seen, like, talk about this on the Internet, that that is the key to everything. Because it turns out that almost no one knew she was having it that day. The only people in Liz and Sergio's life that they told about the garage sale were some family members and her co workers. They didn't post anything online. Sergio says that they only put up two signs, neither of which even listed the address, but this. It wasn't a last minute thing either, I should say. So it was Liz's idea. And her mom, Rosemary, told us that she had been talking about it for at least a month, Although it's not clear when she finalized the date or, like, requested the time off from work.
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B
I mean, it's not like a garage sale is a secret, though. That's kind of the whole point. I mean, surely someone mentioned it or heard about it in probably in the past months, but it's still like a.
- [32:08]
A
Pretty small Group of people. Like, even more so now that they've ruled out her co workers. You know what I mean? Like, at least when you post on Facebook, Marketplace or something, like, your suspect pool becomes like, it's the whole Internet. Right. But that didn't happen here. So we're working with a very small, very specific group of people.
- [32:26]
B
And why were they holding it on a Friday? Wouldn't a Saturday make more sense?
- [32:30]
A
Apparently that's, like, how it's done around there. Her dad Bob, says that Friday is, like, when the serious garage salt the day. Yeah. And Liz planned to, like, run the sale through Saturday before they left. They were gonna leave on Sunday. So, like, that's just how it works down there.
- [32:44]
B
And there's not some, like, garage sale spree killer out there at the time. Right. Like, don't think I've heard of any similar cases to this. No.
- [32:51]
A
And again and again, police keep coming back to one thing based on everything. They know, Liz was the target. This doesn't feel random. It wasn't like it was going to be her or someone else that day. It was about her and only her. So they look back at the person closest to her. Sergio. Now, they learned that he and Liz were college sweethearts who bonded over shared interests, like traveling and dressing up for Star wars events and Renaissance fairs. They married in February of 2014, bought their house a couple of years later. And truly, detectives comb through their stuff, their phones, their bank records. They are looking for anything that might connect Sergio to the crime. A strange call or text around the time of the shooting, unexplained financial transactions, but there is nothing.
- [33:43]
B
Yep. But everyone knows that police check phone records. Like, what if he used a burner? I mean, did they use, like, one of those cell tower dumps that they do where they just get everything they wanted to?
- [33:54]
A
But investigator Richie says that the DA's office wouldn't authorize it. When you're talking about. I think what you're talking about is a cell phone dump. So those are actually pretty controversial because phone companies are basically turning over data on every single device that pinged a specific tower during a set of time.
- [34:09]
B
So it becomes like a privacy thing.
- [34:11]
A
Yeah, a wide area. Even phones that, like, weren't being used, and they've become the subject of a lot of legal battles. So, long story short is if Sergio did have a burner phone, we might never know.
- [34:23]
B
Right.
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A
And I do want to add, like, a little caveat about their finances. So Sergio is an independent contractor for his dad's business. So he has to handle his own taxes. The Barrazas have a financial advisor, but Liz managed their shared accounts. Sergio just kind of, like, handed over his paycheck each week. And the only separate accounts that they had were very, like, low limit credit cards used to buy each other gifts. Which is all that to say, yes, the bank records are clean. I don't know if that, like, proves everything. I mean, if you're hiring someone to kill your spouse, you're probably not paying them from your checking account. I would assume your joint checking account.
- [34:58]
B
Right. But it wouldn't necessarily have to be, like, a fortune that we're talking about. And we've heard stories about hitmen working for pennies. Practically nothing.
- [35:06]
A
Well, here's what I can tell you. So the longer the case drags on without finding the shooter, the more convinced everyone is that it was a professional hit. To your point, like, it doesn't have to be a lot. And they're sure someone was hired to do this. And while police can't connect Sergio directly to it, he is still the obvious suspect for this whole. But Sergio keeps cooperating. He takes and passes a polygraph. Like, anything police want, he gives them.
- [35:32]
B
But, I mean, when you think about everything that had to line up, like, just perfectly, perfectly for all of this to happen this way.
- [35:41]
A
Well, yes, and there were some inconsistencies in his story. Like, at first, he told police that he and Liz put up the garage sale signs the morning of the shooting. Then later, he changes, says it was the night before, which would've been Thursday, January 24, which might not mean anything, but I'm still curious about it because I haven't spotted pictures of these signs in any of the news coverage. And in all of our reporting, we haven't actually found anyone who saw the signs.
- [36:10]
B
Even Deputy Richie?
- [36:12]
A
Deputy Richie hasn't even seen them. But I also don't know if police looked for them. Like, with everything going on, it probably wasn't a high priority. So, again, maybe it's nothing. Still, if anyone listening has seen them, like, our DMs are open. Yeah, but honestly, the whole sign thing is pretty minor compared to what investigators learn about Liz's life insurance. So. Remember how Sergio told detectives that Liz had a policy? It was through her work, but it.
- [36:38]
B
Wasn'T that much money or anything.
- [36:39]
A
Right.
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B
Yeah.
- [36:40]
A
Well, it turns out me and Sergio have different ideas about, like, what not a whole lot means, because that policy is actually worth a quarter of a million dollars.
- [36:49]
B
What?
- [36:49]
A
Yeah. And since Liz was murdered, a double indemnity clause doubles that Payout to half a million dollars.
- [36:57]
B
And like you said, since when is half a million dollars not that much?
- [37:02]
A
I know. Which feels like all the red flags we need. But hang on, because this is where, like, I don't know, this might not be the smoking gun I think it would be in every like, husband did it case. Right. So the weird part is, by all accounts, Sergio genuinely didn't seem to know how much the policy was worth. Liz got the policy when she started working at Rosen back in 2014. And it was actually her dad, not Sergio, who encouraged her to get all of the coverage that her company offered. Bob thought it was like too good of a deal to pass up. But either way, whether he knew about it, whether he didn't know about it, like all the things Deputy Richie like, warned Sergio, he's like, don't even think about trying to go collect that money because when the insurance company calls me and like asks me about my investigation, I will make it very clear that I do not want that money released until this case is solved.
- [37:53]
B
But even just knowing about the policy could be enough of a motive, even if you never actually get the money. True. And you still haven't mentioned anyone else who knew Liz's schedule and had something to gain from her death. Just him.
- [38:08]
A
Just him. Yeah. But here is the big problem with like, Sergio as the mastermind theory. Every single person detectives talk to, friends, family, coworkers, everyone tells them that he and Liz were really happy together. Like, normally when you dig right, you've got the life insurance policy and the timing is so weird.
- [38:28]
B
There's something that, yeah, someone says, like, oh, I thought this was weird that they did. They seem to have this in their relationship. She mentioned this one time, there's nothing.
- [38:38]
A
There is like Deputy Richie, he digs and digs. He doesn't find anything to suggest, like anything funky going on in texts, in emails, he goes through all of it. There is no hint of an affair. There is no fights, nothing. And look like who couldn't use an extra half a million dollars to make life easier. But it's not like the couple was in major debt or anything like that. Like normally, you'll see, okay, like the money was the motive. That's not the case here. They lived within their means. He didn't need that money to get out of a bind or to start over. But there was someone else very close to Sergio who was apparently in a significant financial bind. That is Sergio's 57 year old father, Oscar. Now you see, Sergio's mom had recently discovered that Oscar was cheating with multiple women. And that was bad enough, but then they learned that he was also spending a lot of money on these girlfriends, like, to the point where his finances were suffering one of Sergio's paychecks that he had gotten bounced recently. And while they weren't hurting for money, Liz was like, understandably upset by this. And according to that Paul Lezanne episode, Oscar blames Sergio's bounce check on just like an accounting heir. He tells investigators that his finances are totally straight, everything's good. But county court records show that around this time, Oscar was hit with several lawsuits for unpaid taxes. And in divorce filings, Sergio's mom said that he gave over $20,000 to three different women.
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B
And hang on. Did Liz confront Oscar about any of this? It feels like she's kind of removed from all of this financial stuff.
- [40:19]
A
She kind of was. So this, again, this is where it doesn't totally add up. Cause from what Sergio tells police, she never confronted Oscar about this. Sergio says that he and Liz decided basically to stay out of it. And after all, I mean, he still worked for his dad like, well, and.
- [40:33]
B
It'S not even like his dad would have gotten the money when Liz died. I don't see how it helps him.
- [40:38]
A
The only thing that investigators have theorized is like, well, what if Oscar knew about Liz's life insurance and then he thought Sergio might invest the payout into the family business?
- [40:50]
B
Okay, but if we're supposed to believe that Sergio didn't even know the amount of the policy, he likely didn't know it was going to double. If she was murdered. How the heck would Oscar have known?
- [41:02]
A
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't make sense because police can't find any proof that Oscar did know about the life insurance. It's still a possible theory, but it.
- [41:12]
B
Seems so far fetched.
- [41:13]
A
I know now it's clear to them. Same thing with Sergio. It's like, clear to them that the surveillance footage doesn't show Oscar he isn't the shooter. But then they have the same question, right? Like, did Oscar have someone orchestrate this?
- [41:28]
B
It becomes like Oscar is the mastermind theory. Is Sergio suspicious of his dad at all?
- [41:33]
A
Maybe so on the Paul is on episode, Sergio implies that he was the one who first suggested his dad's potential connection. Oh, yeah. But investigator Richie says that the suspicion started when Oscar lied to police and tried to downplay the affair. So I don't know. I don't know where Sergio's suspicions started. But at any rate, like, his son Oscar is cooperative. He passes a polygraph. And when detectives go through his phone and bank records, they can't find anything linking him to Liz's murder. So while Oscar has made some questionable decisions with his life, like there is no evidence that he plotted to have his daughter in law killed. And so a couple of weeks into their investigation, police aren't much further than they were when they started. They've ruled people out, but they're not any closer to arresting anyone. And that seems impossible in a case that feels like it should be so straightforward, like they need something more, they need something solid to go on. So they decide they're going to go ask the public for help. And on Wednesday, February 6, investigators and crime Stoppers join Liz's loved ones for this big press conference to announce a $20,000 reward for information. And Bob, followed by Sergio, make heartbreaking pleas to the public.
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B
We believe that someone can help guide.
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A
Law enforcement to the perpetrator responsible for this atrocity.
- [42:59]
B
And if you are that person, please come forward. Houston Crime Stoppers will preserve your anonymity and they are offering a reward for information that leads to the filing of felony charges or arrest of the suspect in this case. We are here to seek justice for Liz. We are Liz's family.
- [43:20]
A
We never imagined a life without her. We still can't and we never will. I don't understand how someone could do this to her. She didn't deserve to pass away like this. Why someone would be so monstrous to.
- [43:36]
B
Commit an act like this through my innocent wife?
- [43:40]
A
I just, I just really can't understand.
- [43:43]
B
Had to, had to trade our fifth anniversary for her funeral. I asked if anybody knows anything, please come forward.
- [43:54]
A
Please come forward.
- [43:56]
B
We need justice for Liz. I need justice for Liz.
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A
I love.
- [44:03]
B
So it seems like Liz's family is standing by Sergio.
- [44:07]
A
Oh, yeah. I mean, he's actually been living with the Nellys since the shooting. So they're still like presenting as one unit. They're still close. And standing next to her family, her parents and Sergio, Deputy Richie feels the weight of their pain and the mounting frustration of unanswered questions. But what keeps him optimistic is that they already do have a critical piece of the puzzle. Information about the shooter's truck, a Nissan Frontier, is what's considered a mid sized pickup. And in Texas, where big full size pickups dominate, he figures that it should stick out like a sore thumb. So they pour their efforts into tracking this car down, hoping that this is going to be the break they so desperately need. I've been trying to cut back on coffee. So I've been looking for substitutions that I can work in throughout the day and I give myself one cup of joe in the morning and then for the afternoon I've been trying Rye's Mushroom Coffee, which sounds wild at least to like my midwest self it did, but it's been a great find and for my like, I hate mushroom people. It doesn't taste like mushroom soup or anything. They have a bunch of different products, even hot chocolate. The benefits are awesome. Rise Mushroom Coffee is a custom powerhouse blend of six functional mushrooms crafted to fuel your body and mind all day long. It helps with all day energy, sharper focus, healthy digestion and immune support. It's been a nice little boost for me in the afternoon when I get to that like post lunch 2pm crash. And with over 150,000 5 star reviews, you likely won't be disappointed. Try Rise mushroom coffee with 15% off your first order at risesuperfoods.com crimejunkie that's R Y Z E superfoods.com crimejunkIe don't just wake up, awaken with Rise. Even those that embrace the chilly weather need something to break up long winter nights. Treat yourself to a little something without spending a fortune with Quince. All quince Items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they partner directly with top factories and cut out the cost of the middleman passing the savings on to you. And of course they use premium fabrics and finishes for that luxury feel in every piece. I got this super chic brown knee length coat that I have been cozied up in all winter. This coat strikes the perfect balance between business and casual. I can dress it up. I can dress it down. That's what I love so much about all the pieces I get from Quinte. They are true staple pieces that I have built my whole wardrobe with and around. Treat yourself this winter without the luxury price tag. Go to quince.com crimejunkie for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order. That's Q U-N-C-E.com crimejunkie to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com crimejunkie when Deputy Richey gets the registration records for Harris county, which includes Houston and the surrounding areas, he finds out that there are over 1,000 frontiers. Of course, and guess what the most popular color is?
- [47:19]
B
Of course it's got to be black.
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A
Yes, and ultimately they do narrow it down a bit more. Thanks to Nissan they have the salesman who recognizes the specific Style. So it's a four door Pro 4X crew cab that was made from like 2013 to 2019.
- [47:34]
B
Great.
- [47:35]
A
Unfortunately, the registration database only lists the basics, so it doesn't specifically say if like someone has a Pro 4X or whatever, like two door, four door or what.
- [47:46]
B
So they have to check every single one manually.
- [47:50]
A
Not quite. So what they decide to do is they actually go and use a license plate reader system to sift through the database, highlighting potential matches and then using photos to eliminate trucks that clearly don't fit. But they also can't just go knocking on the door of every dark colored, but probably black frontier owner in Texas.
- [48:09]
B
Right.
- [48:10]
A
Instead they look for trucks caught on the plate reader camera near the crime scene that morning. But even that doesn't lead anywhere. Like, for instance, there's a black Frontier that police stopped nearby right after the shooting, but it didn't have the same decals as the killer's truck. And then they can't. Like, those aren't things that can just be removed on a whim. Plus, the driver was an older Hispanic man whose body type didn't even match the shooter. So, like, they quickly ruled that one out.
- [48:36]
B
Can they narrow it down by looking at like, other connections trying to triangulate people who own a Frontier or a dark colored Frontier and a.38 revolver?
- [48:46]
A
Well, no, because it's Texas. Like, there's no state level registration requirements for firearms. And honestly, if I had to guess, I don't even know that the killer would use a legally registered gun for this.
- [48:57]
B
And I was honestly about to say something similar about the truck. I mean, maybe it was stolen or borrowed from a friend.
- [49:03]
A
Well, police look into that. Like, or at least the stolen. There weren't any reports of stolen frontiers or even like stolen license plates from frontiers, like during that whole time. But it is still possible. Or like they used a fake plate or maybe they borrowed a plate and then put it back before anyone even knew. There were just like too many maybes for detectives to draw any real conclusions. But speaking of the truck. So the one thing they hone in on. Remember the strange doubling back that the shooter did?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, surveillance footage shows that after shooting Liz, this person drove all the way to the main entrance of the subdivision, nearly a good quarter of a mile away, before making a U turn and then driving back past the barrazas. And again, initially, nobody knew what that was about. Like, because they didn't get out, they didn't stop, whatever. So it gets Deputy Richie wondering if maybe someone like, called the shooter, like the person who's pulling the strings and told them to go back and make sure she was dead. So he gets this idea, he's like, I'm going to try geofencing. Which is completely different than like the cell tower dump we were talking about. Geofencing. Like, you literally get a very specific area for a very specific time, and it'll tell you, like, what all the activity. Yeah. So he puts a digital perimeter around the Braza's house and he gets a warrant for Google location data from every device in that zone around that time of the shooting. Hope being that if a device moved in and out of the geofence at the right time, that could lead to the shooter. So detectives wait and they wait, and finally around May or June of 2020, they get the results. But it's another disappointment because the only device with unusual movement belonged to first responders. So the killer, at least they're thinking, probably didn't even bring a phone with them. Though there could be another simple explanation for why they came back by the Barraza house. The other thing they start thinking is like, what if they turned around because they were trying to avoid running into police. Oh yeah, a resident security camera caught the truck heading toward a dead end cul de sac right after the shooting. And that is the last anyone sees the truck. It doesn't turn around, it doesn't come back.
- [51:17]
B
Couldn't have just vanished though.
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A
No, they think that maybe it went off roading, like jumped the curb, like at the end of this cul de.
- [51:24]
B
Sac, it just tore out through.
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A
Yeah, like there's like this green belt area that gets you to the main road. And they're thinking that maybe they went far enough away where law enforcement. Because if you think about it, like I told you, law enforcement's there within like minutes. So if they're coming in the main entrance, which they probably would have used.
- [51:41]
B
Like, they can't get out without passing them.
- [51:43]
A
Yeah, they might have seen them. They turn around and they like hightail it out of there.
- [51:46]
B
And this feels like a no brainer, but I assume they checked everyone in the neighborhood, like, especially in that specific cul de sac.
- [51:54]
A
So investigator Richie says that they went house to house. By the way, I don't think that theory was part of the initial police investigation though, like Liz's parents learned. And I'm talking about like the them jumping the.
- [52:05]
B
Yeah, the off roading.
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A
Yeah, Liz's parents learned that through a YouTuber named Aaron Stoner, who analyzes cold cases. And so while this might not be the breakthrough that catches their daughter's killer. It, at least matters to Bob and Rosemary. Like, in the face of so much uncertainty, any clarity that, like, they can be brought brings them comfort, but it doesn't bring them answers. And life without Liz is a constant struggle. Sergio never goes back to the house that that they shared. Bob helps him sell it. He stays with the Nellies for nearly a year. Though eventually he does get a new place. He does start dating again. And for Bob and Rosemary, it's like that moment is bittersweet, like, it's hard to see him moving on. But they are happy for him. I mean, they know it's what Liz would have wanted. The public, however, has, like, a very different reaction. Like, it's always the people not closest to everyone who has, like, the strongest feelings. Because when Sergio posts something online about being engaged again, police are, like, flooded with tips. Rumors start swirling that he and his fiance Amber, were having an affair before Liz was murdered, that Amber was somehow involved. Sergio denies at all he and Amber went to the same high school, but, like, so did thousands of other students. And they insist they didn't know each other at the time. He tells KHOU 11 reporter Grace White that they ended up meeting on a dating app in 2020, which was after her murder. Now, investigators don't just dismiss the gossip outright. By now, Michael Richie has been promoted to sergeant. He's transferred to another division, but he is still working the case. He goes so far as to dig through old high school yearbooks. After hearing, like, maybe there's a photo of Sergio and Amber together. He comes up empty. Amber even ends up taking a polygraph, which she passes. So while no one has been completely cleared, Sergeant Richie is confident that Amber had nothing to do with Liz's murder.
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B
I mean, this is just kind of what happens, right? Like, the longer a case stays unsolved, the more room there is for speculation and misinformation and rumors and gossip.
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A
And it's not even just because of social media like, that. These stories are spinning. So the constable's office accidentally released incorrect information early on, which just, like, added to the confusion of everything. And that's why Bob and Rosemary created their own website, whokilledlizbarraza.com it gives them a chance to set the record straight, keep Liz's story alive. But they know a website alone isn't going to get them justice. Someone out there has to know something. Maybe they just need a little incentive. So on the third anniversary of Liz's murder, they announced that the Reward is Now up to 50, $50,000, thanks in large part to a community fundraiser. And they're not the only ones who refuse to give up. When Sergeant Richie transfers back to Homicide in early 2023, he takes over as lead investigator again. He's grown close to the Nellies in all this time, and he wants to get them answers. But he warns Bob and Rosemary that learning the truth about who's behind her murder is going to devastate them.
- [55:13]
B
That sounds like something you would say if you knew who did it and knew that that person was close to them.
- [55:20]
A
That's what I thought, too, but he told us it wasn't about a specific suspect. It's more like he's been trying to prepare them from the start that whatever happened, whoever did this, it was probably someone close to them. It goes back to the original theory. Right? Like someone targeted her, Someone who knew she'd be out there that day.
- [55:37]
B
It feels very targeted.
- [55:38]
A
Right.
- [55:38]
B
Do her parents have any theories?
- [55:41]
A
They're really careful not to point fingers. They are confident, and police agree that this wasn't the work of just one person. They think that there was a shooter, and then there was someone who put the shooter up to it. But figuring out who those people are and why is enough to drive anyone up a wall. Like I said, Nina and I sat in my office spiraling when I first decided we were going to cover this case. I had heard about it. Like, I knew the story, and I was like, this has to be one where when you talk to detectives, when you talk to the family, we're just.
- [56:13]
B
Missing a piece of it that's not in the reporting right now.
- [56:16]
A
Right? Like, oh, we just can't say this thing out loud. Let me be the one to assure you, as a crime junkie, there is not something that I'm not telling you out loud.
- [56:24]
B
Turned over every rock, and this is it.
- [56:26]
A
This is it. And nothing makes sense. So in a world where nothing makes sense, what her parents have done is they tried to focus on things that give them a sense of purpose, like the impact of Liz's final gift. The recipients of her organs had spent a combined 22 years on transplant lists before receiving her heart, her liver, kidneys, and corneas. And her best friend started the Liz Library, which donates Harry Potter books, like the sets of them, to children's hospitals in her honor. And Bob and Rosemary are channeling their energy into supporting other parents of homicide victims as well.
- [57:04]
B
Are they still in touch with Sergio at all?
- [57:06]
A
They're not as much as they Used to be, but, I mean, he joined them for another press conference on the fifth anniversary of Liz's murder. They also reached out to him on our behalf to see if he would speak with us. He told them that he would think about it, but then we never heard back. And I get it. Like, he's got a new life now. He's got a new wife. He recently became a dad. He doesn't work for his father anymore. He still, from what I can tell, doesn't know if Oscar was involved in Liz's death. And that I would imagine, like, put a big wedge between them.
- [57:35]
B
And did he ever end up collecting on that life insurance policy?
- [57:39]
A
No. He told Grace White that he doesn't need it. But the reality also has to be that he knows investigators would, like, fight to keep that money from being released still, so.
- [57:50]
B
And they can't just keep it away forever, though, can they?
- [57:54]
A
I mean, they can ask the insurance company to deny payment. They can't block it indefinitely without a court order. And since Sergio hasn't been charged with anything, like, he could push for that money if he wanted to, I think the insurance company would probably have to pay up eventually, like, if he started that fight, but he would have to be the one to start that process.
- [58:14]
B
And that won't look good.
- [58:15]
A
Yeah, I don't think he will. Like, he knows a lot of people believe that he's responsible for Liz, and he. I think he thinks trying to claim that money would, like, just add fuel to that fire. And again, like, the life insurance is just one piece of a larger puzzle, one that the Internet slews have been trying to solve since the day Liz was murdered. And if you go down these online rabbit holes, which, believe me, I have, you will find every scenario under the sun. But there are a couple that I've seen pop up, like, a couple times that just. It's worth hitting on. One is that the shooter might have had access to the Barraza's Nest doorbell camera system and, like, could have been monitoring their movements in real time. Like, they were hacked, maybe. Or there was speculation, maybe that Sergio and Liz might have had a public URL enabled on their camera, meaning that anyone with the link could view the livestream. But, like, Liz's parents were adamant that's just not something she would do. And as for whether Liz or Sergio gave the login to anyone, like, I highly doubt it since, I mean, Bob and Rosemary didn't have it and we know how security conscious they were.
- [59:15]
B
Yeah, like, if it wasn't them, who else would they have given it to?
- [59:18]
A
Right. But then if someone did have it or hacked it or whatever, like, that would have left a digital footprint, and that kind of data might be able to connect to a specific person or device or location or whatever. But it doesn't seem like police accessed those records, Although I don't know why they left that out.
- [59:35]
B
Is there a reason people are saying this is a possibility? Like, to me, I feel like we know this person is waiting specifically for Sergio to leave.
- [59:44]
A
Like, they don't need the camera.
- [59:45]
B
You don't need the camera, because this is, like, part of their routine.
- [59:47]
A
I think we're all just grasping at straws, grasping at anything, because I'm telling you, nothing makes sense. And the timing is so precise. So another theory is that Liz's murder was a gang initiation. Like, someone had to commit a random act of violence to prove themselves.
- [60:07]
B
But I. I'm not buying that. This. This doesn't feel random. I know nothing about. This feels random.
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