After Gut Punch, Gabby Petito's Family Case Makes Its Way to Utah Supreme Court

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: After Gut Punch, Gabby Petito's Family Case Makes Its Way to Utah Supreme Court

Release Date: February 21, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Panelists: Kathleen Murphy, Karen Stark, Lisa M. Daddio, Christy Mazurek, Marcia Saidi, Dr. Angela Arnold, Dr. Bethany Marshall, Dale, Michael Ruiz
Main Theme: The Gabby Petito family’s wrongful death lawsuit against Moab Police Department and its journey to the Utah Supreme Court after a lower court dismissal.

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Episode Overview

Nancy Grace and her expert panel break down the latest developments in the ongoing legal battle between Gabby Petito’s family and the Moab, Utah Police Department. After the Petito family’s wrongful death lawsuit was dismissed on grounds of governmental (sovereign) immunity, a recent appeals decision has allowed the case to proceed to the Utah Supreme Court. The episode also revisits key facts of Gabby Petito’s disappearance and murder, the controversial Moab PD encounter, and the broader implications for domestic violence intervention and law enforcement accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Background and Legal Update

• The Petito family's wrongful death lawsuit against Moab Police had previously been dismissed by Judge Don Torgerson on grounds of governmental immunity ('the king can do no wrong') (02:09).
• The family’s lawyer argues immunity is unconstitutional under Utah law (16:56).
• Recent appeals have reversed the initial ruling; the case is now heading to the Utah Supreme Court for oral arguments (16:56, 42:15).
• Nancy Grace: “If this is the law, then the law is an ass.” (16:56, 27:20)
• The show predicts the case will get “extremely complicated and contentious.” (02:09)

2. Timeline of Gabby Petito’s Disappearance and Investigation

• Gabby and fiancé Brian Laundrie set off July 2 from New York on a cross-country road trip in a customized van (13:02, 13:30).
• Documented their journey via social media and YouTube (Gabby's last Instagram post linked to a travelogue video, “Nomadic Static” (10:00).
• Last contact with Gabby: Facetime with her mother Nicole Schmidt, August 23–24 (10:00, 26:33).
• Gabby not reported missing until September 11; in the meantime, Laundrie returned to Florida without her (27:20).
• Gabby’s remains later found near Grand Teton National Park; Brian Laundrie confessed and subsequently died by suicide (02:09).

3. The Moab Police Encounter and Body-Cam Footage

• Moab police pull over Gabby and Brian after 911 call reports Laundrie striking Gabby “in the face on Main Street” (02:09, 30:03).

• Police treat Gabby—who had visible injuries, was crying, and was locked out of her own van—as the aggressor, not the victim (16:56, 30:03, 33:44).

  • Notable Quotes:
    • Nancy Grace: “If Laundrie had been arrested right then and there for domestic violence in Moab, would Gabby be alive today?” (33:44)
    • Dr. Brent Blue: “We find the cause and manner to be caused death by strangulation and manner is homicide.” (34:05)

• Key errors identified in Moab PD handling:

  • Did not document Gabby’s injuries (bruises, scratch, facial marks) (33:44, 47:35).
  • Did not contact the 911 caller who saw Laundrie hit Gabby (48:02).
  • Failed to consider Brian as the suspect or to properly apply domestic violence law (49:38).
  • Did not refer either party to domestic violence counseling or professionals (50:06).

4. Expert Analysis: Abuse Dynamics and Missed Opportunities

• Panelists dissect classic signs of domestic violence Gabby exhibited—minimizing abuse, self-blame, denying victimhood (51:10).
• Dr. Bethany Marshall: “Everything she displayed – protecting the abuser, minimizing the harm done to herself, blame, not telling a cohesive history...” (51:10).
• Statistic cited: Arresting one party reduces the risk of homicide in domestic violence cases by 50% (53:30).
• Moab PD’s subsequent internal review recommended more training, but the department has not admitted fault (44:51, 45:44).

5. Media, Social Media, and Perceptions

• Extensive coverage of Gabby’s and Brian’s van-life social media presence created a misleading image of a happy couple (10:00, 21:05).
• Gabby's open, inviting personality versus the dark reality.
  • Karen Stark: “She’s totally engrossing... It’s so mysterious and upsetting... how beautiful it's coming across and she's totally disappeared.” (21:05)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Nancy Grace:

  • “If this is the law, then the law is an ass.” (16:56, 27:20)
  • “She had single handedly customized the transit for a cross country trip. In the heat of the moment... he tries to drive off with her transit and all her worldly belongings... not too far out of the city, she, she's pulled over along with laundry. He's driving. And believe it or not, the Moab police name her as the aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiance, Brian Laundrie.” (02:09)

• Dr. Brent Blue (Teton County Coroner):

  • “We find the cause and manner to be caused death by strangulation and manner is homicide.” (34:05)

• Dale (Domestic Violence Policing Expert):

  • “There's a 50% reduction in homicides in domestic violence cases if one of the parties is arrested. That's the statistic that led to all this legislation.” (53:30)

• Dr. Bethany Marshall (Psychoanalyst):

  • “Protecting the abuser, minimizing the harm done to herself, blame, not telling a cohesive history... classic signs of a domestic violence victim.” (51:10)

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Timestamps to Important Segments

• [02:09] – Legal background and government immunity explained; lawsuit against Moab PD discussed.
• [08:36] – Timeline of Gabby’s disappearance, last known contacts.
• [10:00] – “Nomadic Static” YouTube video, clues from Gabby’s social media.
• [13:02] – Gabby and Brian’s relationship history.
• [16:56] – Utah Supreme Court takes up Petito case; constitutional challenge to governmental immunity.
• [21:05] – Discussion of social media, van-life, and public perception.
• [24:41] – Panelists discuss Brian’s background and social profile gaps.
• [26:33] – Nicole Schmidt (Gabby’s mother) and Jim Schmidt (stepfather) recall last interactions with Gabby.
• [30:03] – Body-cam footage of Moab Police stop described and critiqued.
• [33:44] – Gabby described as aggressor despite injuries; speculation about intervention preventing homicide.
• [34:05] – Coroner’s report, declaration of cause and manner of death.
• [44:20] – Moab PD’s refusal to admit mistakes; impact of internal reviews discussed.
• [47:35] – Key law enforcement failures itemized; lack of documentation and follow-up.
• [51:10] – Symptoms of domestic violence recounted; missed signs.
• [53:30] – Data on impact of arrests in domestic violence cases; closing expert comments.

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The Petito suit highlights the vital importance of proper domestic violence training and intervention at all levels of law enforcement, small-town or big-city (45:44).
• The legal question of governmental immunity takes center stage in whether public agencies can be held liable for systemic failures, with national policy implications (16:56, 42:15).
• The episode underscores the responsibility of law enforcement to recognize signs of abuse and act decisively—a mistake in Gabby’s case with tragic consequences.
• As Nancy Grace closes:
  • “I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However, what happened that day was wrong. Gabby case will never be forgotten. We wait as justice unfolds.” (53:49)

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Transcript

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your car 10 minute oil change crime Stories with Nancy Grace. After a gut punch to the family of Gabby Petito When a judge blocked their lawsuit and against cops, they claim, quote, sent her to her death. A reversal. The case is now heading to the state supreme court. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. The parents of Gabby Petito, murder victim, just scrubbed in. Sunshine, beautiful girl inside and outside. Suffered a horrific legal blow as their wrongful death lawsuit against Utah police was thrown out of court by a judge recall Gabby vanished on a cross country road trip with her then fiance Brian Laundrie. But her remains were found in dispersed camping basically in the middle of nowhere on the edge of Wyoming's Grand Teton National Park. Laundrie later confessed to killing her. But this was weeks after Moab police spoke with them about a domestic violence incident. Witnesses saw Brian Laundrie strike her in the face, literally on main street. Yet they treated Gabby as if she was the aggressor. Then Utah 7th Court Judge John Torgerson dismissed their claim, claiming that the police have governmental immunity from the lawsuit. It's called the king can do no wrong or sovereign immunity. You cannot sue the government. The Petito lawyer said the parents relied on officers to help them, but their grossly negligent investigation increased the likelihood their daughter would be harmed and, quote, sent her to her death. But in the last days, his decision has been thrown out and the case is making its way to the Utah supreme court. If you will recall, Gabby and her killer fiance, Brian Laundrie, were pulled over by Moab police. Witnesses had seen Brian Laundrie hitting Gabby in the face. Yet after Brian Laundrie takes off in the car in Gabby Petito's Ford transit, almost leaving her behind, she had to try and jump in the car window. He was leaving not only in her for transit, but everything she owned in the world. She had single handedly customized the transit for a cross country trip. In the heat of the moment, after hitting her in the face, he tries to drive off with her transit at all her worldly belongings. She finally gets in and not too far out of the city, she, she's pulled over along with laundry. He's driving. And believe it or not, the Moab police name her as the aggressor and let them go. It was within hours that Gabby Petito was murdered by her violent fiance, Brian Laundrie. So bottom line, can her family sue the Moab police department? Well, as of right now, believe it or not, the answer is no. But let me guarantee you, I predict this case ain't over yet and that it will become extremely complicated. And contentious. Remember, this happened in Moab, Utah. The Utah 7th District Court Judge Don Torgerson agreed with the city of Moab. They requested that the Gabby Petito family motion be dismissed. And the judge went along with it. He basically said this is too big for a district court to decide and appeals courts will have to determine if the Petitos had a case. Now, many people argue that Judge Torgerson had no choice but grant the request to dismiss the case based on something called governmental immunity. It's also called sovereign immunity, which dates all the way back to our common law from Great Britain. The king can do no wrong. In other words, you can't sue the king, and here you can't sue the government. So what the Petitos are asking is for the judge to rule against sovereign immunity. Well, I think everybody else is wrong. I think Torgerson could have gone along with the Petitos, but he hid behind his robes and decided not to act. Let's do a little reality check about what happened to Gabby Petito. Scary.

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And it's nerve wracking. We don't sleep. We're just actively looking for her.

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At least three times a night a

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week, we would FaceTime, call, text frequently. She kept me updated on this whole trip. The first couple of days, I wasn't getting responses. I believe she was in a place with no service.

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It took.

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It was like day eight and nine that I really became concerned.

[Nancy Grace]

I've been on that exact route before with the twins in an rv. And the mom is right. There are a lot of dead spots where you can't get a cell to call out. We're looking at behavioral evidence. How many days had passed before mom realized something was wrong? Take a listen to our friends at CBS2.

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Police say she's believed to have last

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been in Wyoming's Grand Teton National Park.

[Nancy Grace]

Video of the trip was uploaded to YouTube Aug. 19. Her mother says she left New York early July for the trip, which was

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set to end in Oregon next month. She was traveling in this white van,

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which police say has been recovered.

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I just believe she's in danger because she's not in touch with with us. And she could be alone somewhere. She could be stranded somewhere in the wilderness and she needs help.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, is that what happened? Did she and her boyfriend have an argument and she stormed off? Did he just leave her stranded? My question is, why is he not being forthcoming and telling the story as to what happened to Gabrielle? As I told you, the van is found in his parents driveway back in Florida. But no Gabby. How did it all start. Take a listen to April Baker, Fox 13. Gabby is originally from New York, but

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she was living in Florida with her

[Nancy Grace]

fiance at the time they took off on the road trip back in July.

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Her family tells Fox News that the

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couple was touring national parks in a

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converted camper van before heading to Salt Lake City.

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The couple actually documented most of their

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trip on Instagram and YouTube.

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You're seeing it here, some of it showing them hanging out in a tent outside Capitol Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole says she last spoke

[Nancy Grace]

on the phone with her daughter August 25th. That's very critical as a matter of fact, because that travelogue video which I have watched over and over and over, it's called I think Nomadic Static with a K. Static with a K. And it's very engrossing. It makes you want to be with them on the camp or this beautiful, wonderful trip. But it's critical to me because her last Instagram post link to that video and that's really the last day as I understand the timeline that we know her to be safe and alive. About the video, take a listen to her video van life. Take a tiny listen, Gabby.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Peter never goes outside.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, you hear this beautiful whimsical music throughout and it shows them traveling the country. A lot of the shots are video as they're looking out the window, as they're flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch, they went to the Mystic Hot Springs. They covered everything beautiful in the West. How did it all go so horribly wrong? With me, an all star panel to try to make some sense of what we know. Right now with me, a renowned trial attorney. You know her well, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina. You can find [e-mail] Karen Stark, you know her well. She is a psychologist joining us out of Manhattan. Stark.com On Facebook, Karen Stark, that's with a C. Who has analyzed nearly every high profile criminal case that I can think of. Joining me, Lisa M. Daddio, former police lieutenant, New Haven Police Department lecturer and the director of the center for Advanced Policing in New Haven and Emmy award winning investigative reporter Christy Mazurek. Christy, start at the beginning. Tell me about how the road trip or the inception of the road trip,

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they were living together in Florida and this boyfriend promotes himself as a nature enthusiast.

[Nancy Grace]

What do you mean promotes himself?

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Well, on Facebook and all of his other social media, he promotes himself as a nature enthusiast and believes that getting bug bites out in the beauty of the world are better than being brainwashed by the media. His Words.

[Nancy Grace]

What's wrong with that? You say it like there's something wrong with being a nature enthusiast. And I want to ask you, is nature enthusiast. Are those your words or his words?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

His words. His words and nature.

[Nancy Grace]

Can I ask you this? What does he do for a living other than be enthusiastic about nature?

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Working at Publix grocery store.

[Nancy Grace]

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Oh, I'm glad you said that. Because they both worked at Publix, but that's not where they met. Okay, I'm interrupting you. Go ahead.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

They originally meet in New York State, and then he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She follows a few years later. So earlier this summer, they decide that they are going to leave all of their valuables behind and transform this van into a mini camper, travel up to sea, her brother graduate in New York state, and then cross the country on this excursion.

[Nancy Grace]

Now, it's my understanding, Christy, Missouri, they knew each other way back, way back home in Suffolk County. Then she goes. Then they meet each other again years later. It's like meeting an old high school friend, and they fall in love. He moves to Florida. She comes down with him. Her father, her bio dad, also moves to Florida to be near her. The mom and her new husband stay in New York, is my understanding. And then they travel back to New York for her little brother's high school graduation. And from there, they commence the road trip. Aldous Hodge returns as Alex Cross, your favorite detective on television for season two of the hit show Cross, now streaming exclusively on Prime Video. Critics call season one one of the year's best shows. With over 40 million viewers worldwide, the story continues with a new season from creator Ben Watkins. And based on characters created by James Patterson, cross is Washington, D.C. 's most brilliant homicide detective and forensic psychologist. Fresh off his capture of the infamous serial killer, the fanboy Cross teams up with the FBI to hunt down a vigilante serial killer targeting corrupt billionaires. As the case unfolds, Cross navigates a moral crossroads where the lines between justice and vengeance are blurred. Cross is back and better than ever this season. Get ready for a new case. Higher stakes, but the same Cross. Watch season two of Cross, now streaming only on Prime Video.

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She's totally engrossing in the whole tr. The only thing that's what makes it so mysterious and upsetting to think about how beautiful it's coming across. And she's totally disappeared. And Nancy, when you watch that, the only thing that you can find is that she talks about how precarious it is that they like to climb and they really like to climb things that

[Nancy Grace]

are difficult, you know, that's so funny. Funny, odd. I was up super early this morning studying about Gabrielle, Gabby, and was discussing it with my friend Medea and she said, well, what if they were posing on a cliff and Gabby fell off? And my response was, that could possibly have happened. But why would he get in the van and come all the way back home to Florida? Is it North Port or North North Point. Christy Mazurek.

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It's North Port.

[Nancy Grace]

Port, Port.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Nancy, to your point about the, you know, cliff climbing on August 23rd, Gabby did post on Instagram that the pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes through some dangerous terrain during their stay. That was one of her last posts.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, back to you, Karen. With that knowledge. You know, Chrissy Mazurek is right. The hiking was very precarious. As a matter of fact, if that happened, why would he drive all the way back to North Port, Florida, which I think is Sarasota county, and not say a word to anybody if she fell off a cliff or even if they had an argument? Karen. And she's like, I'm not going anymore. This is it. And leaves. Number one, why would he leave or stranded if that's what happened? But two, come all the way back home and not. And not tell everybody what happened.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Either this is really a nefarious character and he planned something all along, or he went into shock. Something really did happen to her and he couldn't cope with it, didn't know how to handle it.

[Nancy Grace]

Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen. If he could drive across country and operate a van, having to stop, I guess, for gas or food, that's not in shock to me. When you're in shock, you can't think straight.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Not necessarily. He could get himself home. He could have panicked, and that's the only thing I could think of that would make sense out of it. Unless he actually had planned all along to do something.

[Nancy Grace]

I don't believe that there was a plan all along to do something. I don't believe that. Guys, take a listen to our cut 5. I love the van.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

So we are right outside Capitol Reef right now in a free, dispersed camp spot. And we've been lucky so far at all the places we've stayed, but I'd say this is one of the best so far. Since we left New York, I've only set up my hammock once. And now we're all the way in Utah. And luckily enough, I was able to set up my hammock one of these trees.

[Nancy Grace]

And they're kind of like in the

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desert, very few trees.

[Nancy Grace]

It just sounds so beautiful. And I also noticed straight out to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer. Kathleen, I noticed throughout he spoke very little. It's mostly her shooting the video and speaking. He did occasionally speak, but I want to know what you make of it. Kathleen.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Well, first, Nancy, I went and tried to do a deep dive on who this guy is in all of his social Media accounts. There's nothing prior to meeting this young lady. I knew nothing about him except what he is like with this young lady. I did and it's concerning to me that we don't know much and you know, I have a daughter about the same age and I know her boyfriend pretty well and I went and deep dived on his social media account. I can't find anything about this young guy before he met this girl. How old is he?

[Nancy Grace]

Well, from what we understand, he is a 23 year old young man. That's my understanding of his age. Kathleen.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

23. He looks a lot older on his pictures, but it seems to me that he would have high school pictures and work pictures and family pictures out there. But I didn't find anything and so I don't really know if the family knows much about him.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, I would think that they do. Christy, Missouri because my understanding of how the two knew each other is they knew each other other previously and there's not much previously. They're only, she's only 22, so she had to know him in high school or college. She had to know him at that point. Then they reconnect and then fall in love. That's my understanding. So the family had to know him. If she knew him in her past, she's only 22.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Correct. They did go to high school together and they knew Brian in passing.

[Nancy Grace]

In passing.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Then when they reconnected, they kind of gave the duo their blessing. That's why her biological father moved down to Florida to be close to them.

[Nancy Grace]

Listen to Nicole Schmidt, who's Gabby's mother, and Jim Schmidt, her stepfather. At their most recent press conference when

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she left, what did she say? Like, bye Ma, I'm excited. What did she, what was it like? We hugged.

[Nancy Grace]

We gave them some money to, you

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know, if they needed it because they're kids, you know, they were excited about the trip. They left on July 2nd from New York. What was the purpose of the trip, what it made? What were they wanting to do? Camping, hiking, seeing the country. When was she coming back?

[Nancy Grace]

How long was the trip before the

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

trip was supposed to end in October in Portland, Oregon. And what was the last conversation you

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had with her on video chat?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

What did she say? I believe it was around the 23rd or the 24th, I can't recall. But she was having a great time. She said she was headed up to Wyoming.

[Nancy Grace]

So the last time that we see her they were facetiming to my understanding was around. Let's give it the benefit of the doubt. August 24th she was not reported missing by her family until September 11th. Why? Well, you heard the mother stating that she thought Gabby had gone into a remote area where there's no cell phone coverage, so she chalked it off. Now, they were speaking every three days or so by FaceTime. And her bio dad was also speaking to her. So the first three days pass and she thinks, well, she's in a bad cell area. Then we get to the next three days and she still does not hear from her. So you go August 24th, you pass six days. You're now at August 30th. Then she finds out, to my understanding, that the boyfriend comes back home on September 11th in the van with no Gabby. That is when she, not the boyfriend, reports Gabby missing. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. A judge has granted the defense motion to dismiss the family of Gabby Petito's lawsuit against Moab Police Department. It was a virtual hearing in the last hours. The state argued a lawsuit like this should not be filed against the Moab PD because of sovereign immunity. The king can do no wrong. It's a holdover from Anglo Saxon common law that we brought with us when we settled America from Great Britain. Well, I got a curveball for you, Judge. If this is the law, then the law is asked. Do I need to jog your memory, Judge Torgerson, about what happened to Gabby Petito? Okay, I will. I want you to take a listen to what we know about the van showing up. Take a listen to our cut 24. It's Evan Axelbank. Our friends at Fox 13.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Police found the van that they were potentially by the boyfriend's parents. They're now processing that. They've towed it away and are looking through it for any evidence they can find. Family in New York say that Gabrielle Patetto was on a cross country trip leaving Long island on July 2. They were headed to Oregon, but stopping numerous places along the way, documenting their journey in their van on YouTube. Family last year spoke with her August 24th or 25th and last texted with her August 30th. She was reported missing this weekend, September 11th. And they may have reached as far as Grand Teton National Park.

[Nancy Grace]

What happened that fateful moment when Moab police ignored all the signs that Gabby Petito is a domestic violence victim, named her the aggressor, and sent her along her way with her killer body cam video. Let's go. Tyler, if you could play cut 2. 08. This is Adrienne Banker at Muse Nation. Now body camera video has been released

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

from Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie's heated exchange in Utah back in August. In it, Petito admits she hit Laundrie

[Nancy Grace]

first, but that then he grabbed her face after and.

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And dug his nails into her face.

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The officer is heard on this camera footage, this video footage, telling Laundrie that he is the victim of domestic assault.

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The police chief has taken a sudden leave of absence and now the city

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is looking into how the police officers

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involved handled the situation when they were

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called to stop there with Gabby and with Brian and many people criticizing this incident because the police called Brian the

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victim in this situation.

[Nancy Grace]

Let me go straight out to Marcia Saidi joining us WFLA tv. How come we didn't see that body cam video to start with?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Great question, great question. A question that we're asking. And another question. Is there any other body cam video that we haven't seen yet? There's a female law enforcement officer on that scene and she is, according to the two body cam videos that we have seen already, she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. You know, sometimes a girl might reveal more information to another, to another woman. So it'd be very interesting to see if there's any other body cam video and feel free to chime in. But I did think I saw possibly a camera on her uniform. So that's one big question. But really the new thing that happened when this video was released, the officer says, quote, did he hit you, though? And she says, I guess, yeah, but I hit him first. And she kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed my face. He didn't punch me, but he grabbed me with his nail. I definitely have a cut. I can feel it. When I touch it, it burns. So this is what was new. Gabby saying very clearly that he also assaulted her in this way. This is something that we did not hear us clearly.

[Nancy Grace]

Let's try to play the entirety of cut 2 11, the Moab Police Department second body cam footage that we didn't see initially.

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So what happened after he locked you out so you took a breather? Well, he walked away to go take his own breather, but I wanted to sit in the car because all my

[Nancy Grace]

stuff was in the car.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

I had something on my bag. I was working on something at the moment in the car. And he told me to just relax for a second. And I didn't want to relax. So I got mad. I mean, I don't mean to be mad. Yeah, it happens. Then what happened?

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Is there Something on your cheek here. Looks like. Did you get. Did you get hit in the face? Kind of looks like something like hit you in the face and then over on your arm. Shoulder. Right here. That's new, huh? It's kind of a new mark. Oh, yeah? I don't know. Can I see the other side of your face? So what happened here and here? I'm not sure.

[Nancy Grace]

It was

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just trying to get her back. So the backpack. Gotcha.

[Nancy Grace]

So she has a bruise and a cut on her face, a bruise on her left arm, yet she was deemed the aggressor. If Laundrie had been arrested right then and there for domestic violence in Moab, would Gabby be alive today?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

I'm Dr. Brent Blue, Teton County, Wyoming, coroner. After a detailed investigation by our forensic pathologists, our anthropologists, and local law enforcement, with assistance from the FBI, the Teton county coroner's office is filing the following verdict. In the manner of death of Gabrielle Lenora Petito, we find the cause and manner to be caused death by strangulation and manner is homicide to investigate.

[Nancy Grace]

A reporter with WFLA TV joining me right now, Masa Saidi on the case from the very beginning. Were you surprised at all with what the coroner said? Strangulation, death, I mean, it has been

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

just an absolutely heartbreaking day. We know that the Petito family knew this was coming, that officials were touch with them. But as you said, we just learned from the Teton county coroner that Gabby Petito was strangled. It's unclear if it was manual or with an object. We also learned that her body had been outside in the wilderness, likely for three to four weeks before it was discovered. We had no other information about her remains, as you mentioned. Right off the top, Nancy, about any potential prior injuries if the body had been moved. None of that. The Teton County Coroner, Dr. Brent Blue, kept saying that his job was only to determine the cause of death and the manner of death. Reporters were peppering him with tons of questions. Everyone was asking him about Brian Laundrie, about the potential suspect. And he kept saying that he could reveal nothing about the suspect. But then he made a statement that to me was stunning. He said, unfortunately, and I'm quoting here, he said this is only one of many deaths around the country of people who are involved in domestic violence. And when he said that, that just struck me because he said he couldn't reveal anything about the suspect. But then he made that statement.

[Nancy Grace]

To Dr. Angela Arnold, psychiatrist joining us out of atlanta@angela arnoldmd.com what do you think? We have finally learned the cause of death. Not manner cause. She was strangled. And I guarantee you it was manual. When I say manual V. Ligature, I mean ligature is with a pair of pantyhose or stocking or a scarf. Manual is with your hands.

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Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

Go ahead, Dodger.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Nancy, this is what I have been saying all along.

[Nancy Grace]

True.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

The domestic violence, the intimate partner violence that was going on. He slapped her. That was the last thing we saw. We have it on. They have him admitting to that. Strangulation. Strangulation happens over time.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

The violence becomes more severe. This is what was going on in this situation. My thought is, I don't know, maybe they had another altercation in the van. You think they got out?

[Nancy Grace]

Warden. And he. Female warden. That said, hey, you need to rethink whether you want to go forward. This guy, it's toxic.

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[Nancy Grace]

Do you remember that, Cheryl?

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I remember.

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And that's one of the things that makes me so hard.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, now you've got complete strangers coming up to her and saying, hey, little girl, this is bad. You need to get out of this. And now she's dead by manual strangulation.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

There's two things that happened. In that instance, that female officer saying to her, your relationship seems toxic. And during that event right there on the side of the road, her calling her parents.

[Nancy Grace]

Let's look back at that Moab August 12th incident, as it's been being called, when finally she revealed that Brian Laundrie grabbed her by the face. And I can just see that hand going down to her neck. I mean, can anybody but me visualize this happening to her? I mean, she's basically told us what happened.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

And you know what Laundrie said? Nancy Laundrie said that she lost her balance but was able to scratch his face. Just what we were talking about before. So both of them, in some sense, give us some of the clues that we're looking for now.

[Nancy Grace]

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[Nancy Grace]

There was a legal challenge when the Petito family's wrongful death case against Moab police was thrown out of court. But the Petito family would not give up, and they appealed that decision. Now their case is headed to the Utah Supreme Court. Legalities aside, I will never forget Gabby Petito. Her parents are amazing people. I spent time with them recently, and I was overwhelmed at how they are working to change the world for the better in a $50 million lawsuit against the Moab PD noting that before she died, Moab police were called to a domestic violence complaint involving the pair. Gabby's family insists responding officers did not take the complaint seriously. The Moab police insist that Gabby Petito, this waif, weighs about 105 pounds versus Brian Laundrie, approaching 200 pounds. She was the aggressor. Did they miss every classic symptom of battering that she was abused? The denial, the hysterical crying, the desire not to be separated, the taking the blame herself, explaining away her own injuries, ignoring the 911 call that had just happened for a witness outside. I believe the Moonflower Co Op Cafe saw Brian Laundrie hitting her in the face on the street in broad daylight. And still, even with that knowledge, called her the aggressor. Okay, you know what I want you to take a listen to. It's very, very disturbing to me. It's Sauerkut 428. It's Nate Carlisle at Fox 13.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Here on what's labeled page two. The captain takes a moment to ponder. Would Gabby be alive today if this case was handled differently? That is an impossible question to answer. For his part, Pratt told the captain he worried taking Petito to jail would embolden laundry. So if he's going to go bail her out, is he not going to have more control over her now? Pratt's quoted as saying Moab said it would adopt the recommendations to improve training and added domestic domestic violence specialist to oversee incidents investigated by its officers.

[Nancy Grace]

So they're still sticking with they're going down with a ship. They refuse to admit they screwed up. They had laundry, they did nothing, and they let him go. And now she's dead. Jump in, Dale.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

When I used to teach domestic violence at police academies in Florida, one of the things that's mandated certainly in Florida and is now mandated everywhere, is to arrest one of the parties. And there's even legislation that prohibits individuals from suing the police if they arrest the wrong person. So back at that time that this happened, they should have arrested either one or both of these individuals, and that would have resolved the problem, at least for the moment.

[Nancy Grace]

Tell me about the Moab police and the investigation by the neighboring county. I believe it was Price County.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Yeah, it was Price police who did the investigation. The Moab Police department is very small. And then the chief takeaways from the investigation into their handling of the traffic stop or the domestic violence stop was that these officers involved need more training and they should go back on probation. And, you know, it's a small department. They're probably not as trained as a lot of the big city departments we're used to dealing with. So they're saying hindsight is 20 20. We had no idea that Brian was a killer. And that's the point that they're sticking to.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, I agree with that. I agree with them on that. But in this day and age, I mean, women are beaten all across the world. It doesn't matter if you're in a small town or a big city like New York City. It doesn't matter if you dropped out of school in the sixth grader, if you've got your PM. It doesn't matter if you make $200,000 a year or you make $30,000 a year or if you have one child, no children, or six children. It doesn't matter. Women are abused, beaten senseless across the board. None of that. Socioeconomic distinctions, none of them matter, period. That has been proven statistically. So the fact that Moab police is a small jurisdiction, does that mean the women there aren't getting beaten behind closed doors? No, it does not. And right there on the main street, Michael Ruiz, we have a witness calling 911 that Gabby is getting beaten basically on Main street in broad daylight. What, they. They couldn't check that out and figure out this is Gabby?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

So I spoke with quite a few experts on the legal side and in the law enforcement side, and, you know, they found the report a little bit lacking. They thought the findings might not have been as severe as they could be.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, let's talk about what you just said, Michael Ruiz. Okay. Okay. Let me get to my notes. I never saw any photos that they took of Gabby's injury to her face. They mention it in their body cam, but I didn't see any video. Did you?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

They talk about them. Yeah, you're right. They talk about him in the body cam, but there's no documentation of them.

[Nancy Grace]

So they take pictures of Brian Laundrie and his injury, but not Gabby. Is that. Yes. No.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Right.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. Did they contact the 911 caller who reported the Brian Laundrie attack on Gabby. Did they call him? Michael Ruiz?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

So we found out from this report. They went, they circled back with one witness, but that witness was not the 911 caller.

[Nancy Grace]

So then that would be a no. They did not contact the 911 caller.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Not the one who said he saw the. I think the quote was, I saw the gentleman slapping the lady is what the 911 caller said.

[Nancy Grace]

Did they mention Gabby's injuries in their written report?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

To the best of my memory, I didn't see anything about her injuries. No.

[Nancy Grace]

Answer is no, they did not. Did they understand state law requirements for a claim of domestic violence assault? Michael Ruiz?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

I would. I would think so, because Officer Pratt even said so in his own body cam. He said, you know, the reason this law is on the books that we have to arrest one is because down the line someone's going to get killed.

[Nancy Grace]

The domestic violence domestic assault law in that jurisdiction, it seems like they had skimmed it, but didn't really know what they were doing. In fact, in the final findings, they state the officers misunderstood state law requirements for domestic assault. Did they ever consider or write in their report that Brian Laundrie could be considered the potential suspect or was it always Gabby?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

In the initial police report, it was Gabby. In the review from Price, the captain who wrote that report said that there was evidence that Gabby was a long term victim of domestic abuse.

[Nancy Grace]

So in the officer's initial report at the moment, they could have stopped Brian Laundrie and maybe prevented Gabby's murder. They never considered Brian Laundrie as a potential suspect, is that correct?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

From the initial reports? That's how it seems.

[Nancy Grace]

Did they ever connect either of them with mental health caregivers such as even a volunteer like me at the battered women's center? It's a toll free number. I manned the hotline for nine years. Did they ever do that? Michael Ruiz.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

It does look like they did. They did bring Brian to a hotel through a charity for domestic victims, that they checked him into the hotel through that charity. But in the report from Price, we see that they didn't connect them with professionals. They didn't give them documentation.

[Nancy Grace]

So the answer would be no, would it not?

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

I guess not.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. Bethany Marshall, what are the classic symptoms of a domestic violence victim? And don't get me wrong, I know that there are some men that are battered and abused, but they are about 1.1.5% of the entire partner battering universe. So let's just get real. Women Are the victims. What are the symptoms that Gabby petito just display? Dr. Bethany.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Well, everything she displayed, I mean, protecting the abuser, minimizing the harm done to her self, blame not Taylor telling a cohesive history about what had been done to her. The fact is that she owns her part in the, in the thing, in the conflict. She says she's punched him in the arm, but she minimizes that she punched him in the arm because she was so frustrated and he was driving erratically.

[Nancy Grace]

He was taking her van and her cell phone.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

Exactly. And that you, you put it more beautifully that I was trying to collect my thoughts on. I know he had taken the van. I know he had taken the cell phone. Well, that was, that would be the final sign.

[Nancy Grace]

Denial, denial, denial that she is a domestic violence victim. Her injuries, the fact that she tried to minimize, as usual, said Dr. Bethany, the damage to her, I mean it goes on and on and on, the classic signs that she is a domestic violence victim. Saying would it have stopped Gabby's murder is like reading the tea leaves. But I know this. There would have been a much better chance that she survived if she had gotten battered women's counseling, even over the phone with a volunteer at the shelter, even that could have saved her life. But the officers, to make themselves feel better, I guess, keep saying, well, you know, we don't think it would have made a difference. Really. Well, you'll never know because you screwed it up. Take a listen to arcup4278 Carlisle Fox 13.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

If I had any discretion of this, I would separate you guys for the day and just give you warnings to stop hitting each other. But I love lawfully don't have discretion here. Yet. Veteran Moab police officer Eric Pratt and the new officer he was training, Daniel Robbins, did let Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry go. The report by a Price Utah police captain says that by law Petito should have been cited or arrested once officers determined she was the aggressor. The captain sustained or confirmed multiple complaints where Pratt and Robbins failed to follow the law, law and MOAB's own policies, including failing to obtain witness statements and properly documenting the roadside investigation.

[Nancy Grace]

So give me your finals. Go ahead, dale.

[Guest Expert/Panelist]

There's a 50% reduction in homicides in domestic violence cases if one of the parties is arrested. That's the statistic that led to all this legislation, Bethany. And I would say if one of the classic signs of abuse is leaving a woman alone in a deserted place without resources, then all three men abused

[Nancy Grace]

her in the last hours. A judge has ruled in the favor of MOAB Police Department. Listen, I'm from LA law enforcement. I believe in law enforcement. I support law enforcement. However, what happened that day was wrong. Gabby case will never be forgotten. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.

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