BARRY MORPHEW CHARGED IN WIFE SUZANNE’S MURDER WALKS FREE

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: BARRY MORPHEW CHARGED IN WIFE SUZANNE’S MURDER WALKS FREE
Date: September 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this explosive episode of Crime Stories, Nancy Grace and her panel of expert guests dissect the shocking turn in the Suzanne Morphew case: Barry Morphew, once charged with Suzanne’s murder, has walked free. The episode covers the discovery of Suzanne’s remains, the theories and evidence surrounding her death, the controversial bond decision that led to Barry’s release, and the web of lies—from the infamous “mountain lion” defense to Barry using aliases in a new life across state lines. Forensic, legal, and psychological perspectives are discussed, painting a thorough picture of the case’s complexities and the burning question: how could Barry Morphew walk free?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Discovery and Location of Suzanne Morphew’s Remains

• Remains Found Distant from Home:
  • Suzanne’s body was discovered two and a half hours away from the Morphew family home, in a different county (Saguache County), far from their residence in Maysville, near Salida, Colorado.
    • “There’s really no relevancy in terms of the area and where the family had lived. That’s part of the theory—the killer wanted her remains as far away as possible so she would never be found.” — Gregory Nieto (03:32)
  • The location—remote, difficult to access—suggests someone planned to hide her remains deliberately.
• Defense’s Strategy:
  • The defense posits that the geographic distance increases the plausibility that someone other than Barry was the culprit, arguing the long interval before discovery dilutes the connection.

The Staging of the Crime Scene

• Evidence of Staging:
  • Suzanne’s bike was found near the home, the helmet a mile away, and the body much further, all indicating intentional misdirection.
    • “Who stages? Somebody that doesn’t want to be caught. If it’s random, there’s no staging.” — Nancy Grace (07:01)
  • Mark Tate (defense attorney): “Obviously, there was something created here to try to make it look like a bicycle accident. It was anything but.” (07:19)
• Mountain Lion Theory:
  • Barry was quick to insist a mountain lion killed Suzanne, repeating the claim numerous times when speaking with neighbors and authorities.
    • Dr. Bethany Marshall: “He kept saying, ‘It must have been a mountain lion.’ Not only was there staging, but there was this suggestive, persuasive influence.” (09:17)
  • Wildlife experts debunk this, explaining mountain lions would never transport prey such vast distances, and there were no signs (blood, tracks) of a wildlife attack.
    • Dr. Grace Stafford: “They might drag the body 30 to 50 yards, but they’re not going to drag miles and miles.” (13:05)

Alternative Theories Put Forth

• Homeless Encampment Theory:
  • Initially, Barry and the immediate circle proposed that a homeless person or group might have abducted Suzanne, but there was no logistical or physical evidence supporting this.
    • Nancy Grace: “It’s always the homeless. They do it.” (14:30)
• Bike Ride Narrative:
  • The idea that Suzanne was last seen riding her bike alone on Mother’s Day originated with Barry, who communicated this both to neighbors and investigators.

Barry Morphew’s Bond and Release

• Judge’s Change of Heart:
  • At first, the judge resisted any bond reduction, but unexpectedly reversed course, allowing a $3 million surety bond.
    • “The judge did a U-turn... Out of nowhere, he’s allowed to make bond. Everyone was shocked.” — Gregory Nieto (29:52)
  • “It’s proving that Barry is almost like a Teflon Don. Every time we think we’ve reached the end, something new happens.” (29:52)
• Source of Bond Funds:
  • Mystery surrounds who posted the bond; outside of his daughters and possibly female supporters in Arizona, few local supporters were identified.
  • Nancy Grace teases: “Is he now a sugar baby? Is somebody supporting him?” (24:09)
• Release Restrictions:
  • GPS ankle monitor
  • No leaving Colorado; strict house arrest
  • Surrender of passport, no alcohol or weapons, no contact with witnesses (except his daughters), must use legal name

Defeating House Arrest: The Ankle Monitor Discussion

• Feasibility of Circumventing Ankle Monitors:
  • Nancy and panelists joke and discuss how ankle monitors may be avoided or disabled (strap-cutting, tinfoil/Faraday cages).
    • “Cut the strap. Duh. Use aluminum foil, and it creates basically a rudimentary Faraday cage.” — Nancy Grace (28:12)
  • Expert (Scott Eicher) confirms vulnerabilities.

Barry’s Multiple Aliases & New Life

• Barry as “Lee Moore” in Arizona:
  • After release, Barry settles in Arizona, introducing himself as “Bruce” or “Lee Moore from Indiana” at local bars, despite being recognized by some patrons.
    • “Libby says, you’re Barry Morphew. But the stranger says, ‘No, no, I think you have the wrong person.’ Later… he’s introduced as Lee from Indiana.” (31:57)
  • Discussion about the psychology of using an alias—using kernels of his actual identity—and his success in attracting female attention in his new community.
• Psychological Insights:
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: These lies often weave a sliver of truth for plausibility—“When people lie, they build it on a foundation of some truth because they’re also lying to themselves.” (33:42)

Forensic Evidence & BAM (Animal Tranquilizer) Connection

• Toxicology Findings:
  • Despite years since Suzanne’s disappearance, bone analysis revealed heavy saturation with BAM—a veterinary cocktail (butorphanol, azaparone, medetomidine)—only one private citizen in the area (Barry Morphew) had lawful access.
    • Dr. Thomas Coyne: “These are powerful sedatives, used in large animal species to tranquilize. They’re very toxic and even fatal to humans.” (46:03)
    • Nancy Grace summarizes: “Animals can sustain BAM. It’s deadly for people, correct?” — “Yes, absolutely correct.” (48:10)
• Means of Administration:
  • These drugs are most commonly administered by dart, not by food or pill.
• Cell Phone & Vehicle Data:
  • On the date in question, Barry’s cell phone shows erratic movement around the house—he claims he was “shooting chipmunks with darts.”
    • “I don’t believe he’s obviously out there shooting chipmunks.” — Scott Eicher (51:26)
  • His truck’s computer shows the vehicle backing up late at night, inconsistent with his claimed bedtime.

Barry’s Behavior and Psychological Analysis

• Public Statements & “Grieving Husband” Persona:
  • Audio of Barry’s public pleas for Suzanne’s return played; panelists note the lack of genuine concern/emotion in his statements.
    • Mark Tate reading: “Oh, Suzanne, if anyone is out there that can hear this… We love you, we miss you. Your girls need you. No questions asked.” (31:00)
• Lack of Empathy and Grieving Indicators:
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: True grieving often involves active searching and genuine distress, not detachment or elaborate alternate scenarios.
    • “If someone is dissociated from grief, it will look different. They wouldn’t invent elaborate stories or start picking up women at bars… It shows he’s not tied to the lost love object.” (39:24)
• Narcissism and Manipulation:
  • Panelists debate why some women are attracted to men like Barry, suggesting his manipulative, charming facade covers deeper narcissism.
    • Tisha Leeway: “I think he’s a narcissistic pig. He was dating right after six months she went missing… Obviously so far in this whole thing, he’s gotten everything he asked for, including bond.” (40:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Staging & The Mountain Lion Defense:

  • Nancy Grace: “The person that murdered Suzanne Morphew staged the scene, which means to me, it’s not random.” (05:07)
  • Dr. Grace Stafford: “That’s not going to happen. They might drag the body 30 to 50 yards and eat it. They’re not going to be dragging that person miles and miles away.” (13:05)

• On the BAM Evidence:

  • Dr. Thomas Coyne: “These drugs are only used in veterinary medicine… the concentrations used for large animals are highly toxic to humans.” (46:03)
  • Nancy Grace: “Animals can sustain BAM. It’s deadly for people, correct?” — “Yes, that is absolutely correct.” (48:10)

• On Narrative Manipulation:

  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: “There’s always a sliver of truth in every lie, and that’s why it becomes believable… When people lie, they build it on a foundation of some truth because they’re also lying to themselves.” (33:42)

• On Barry’s Post-Release Behavior:

  • Tisha Leeway: “No, I think he’s a narcissistic pig... Not surprised he’s in Arizona trying to pick up women. He thought he could get whatever he wants. And so far, he has.” (40:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:10 — Opening of Suzanne’s case; Barry walks free.
• 03:32 — Discovery location of Suzanne’s remains and implications.
• 05:07 — Discussion of the crime scene staging.
• 09:17 — Analysis of “mountain lion” defense.
• 13:05 — Animal expert debunks mountain lion theory.
• 14:11 — Origin of homeless encampment theory.
• 17:09 — Who invented the “bike ride” narrative?
• 21:38 — Audio of Barry’s emotional pleas for Suzanne’s return.
• 23:17 — How and why Barry was released on bond.
• 24:45 — Mystery of who funded Barry’s bond.
• 25:35 — Review of bond restrictions and their vulnerabilities.
• 28:12 — How ankle monitors can be bypassed.
• 31:00 — Barry adopting fake identities in Arizona.
• 33:42 — The psychology of lying and mixing truth.
• 39:24 — Grieving, empathy, and what behavior says about guilt.
• 40:41 — Tisha Leeway’s pointed characterization of Barry.
• 46:03 — Toxicology: BAM found in Suzanne’s remains.
• 51:26 — Cell phone and vehicle data vs. Barry's narrative.
• 52:54 — Presumption of innocence reminder and tip line provided.

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Conclusion

This episode highlights not just the shocking legal developments in the Suzanne Morphew case, but also the complex web of lies, manipulation, and forensic intrigue that define it. Through forceful debate and expert analysis, Nancy Grace and her panel unravel the defense strategies, the implausibility of Barry’s versions of events, and the deeper psychological implications of his actions—both before and after Suzanne’s disappearance. The question remains: if not Barry, then who? The system may presume his innocence for now, but the evidence—and his behavior—continue to fuel public outrage and disbelief.

Tip line for information on Suzanne Morphew’s murder: 719-312-7530

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Transcript

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[Nancy Grace]

Stories with Nancy Grace. Breaking news tonight, Barry Morphew, charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free. Yes, you heard me. Walks free after a murder one charge. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Suzanne Morphew goes missing on Mother's Day. Tornado off her mountain bike to vanish into thin air. She was shot full of animal tranquilizers before her death. Barry Morphew has walked free, accompanied by his daughters who are absolutely convinced he's innocent. Then who did kill their mother and drag her remains far, far away away to Gregory Nieto. Joining us, investigative reporter, Fox31 Denver. He's been on the Morphew story since the very beginning. Gregory, could you explain to everyone where her remains were found?

[Gregory Nieto]

It's in an area that's about two and a half hours away from the family home just out of Salida, Colorado. There's really no relevancy in terms of the area and where the family had lived. And so that's part of the theory is that her remains, or whomever is responsible for killing Suzanne Morphy wanted to take those remains as far away as possible with the hope that her remains would never be found.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, wait a minute. How far away from their home were her remains found?

[Gregory Nieto]

It's a good two and a half hours away. Different county. It's actually two counties over in Saguach county, which is south of where the family home is, again, outside Salida. Technically, they lived in this town by the name of Maysville, Colorado, just to the south and the west of Salida. But again, considering the amount of time that she had been missing, that nobody had found her body, her remains, for it to be that far away, I think was part of the illusion, if you will, that perhaps you know, someone else other than Barry is responsible for her death.

[Nancy Grace]

How do you get that, Nieto?

[Gregory Nieto]

Well, what I mean by that is I think that's part of the defense plan that if the remains are found a good three years after she first is reported missing and they're found nowhere near Maysville or Salida, Colorado, two and a half hours away, again, part of that theory is that she'll never be found. Right. The other part of it is when she is eventually found, that it's less and less of a connection in the defense's eyes, that it can be tied to a barrier.

[Nancy Grace]

Wow. Because you know what? I think the exact opposite to Scott Iker joining us, founding member of FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team. But for purposes of this question, homicide Detective, Norfolk, Virginia Police Department. Scott, obviously it's someone who wanted to stage the murder. When there is a random murder, all the perp wants to do is get the hay out of there. For instance, a burglar comes into the house. He sees me, Bam, and runs. Forget stealing the tv. I gotta get out of here. The person that murdered Suzanne Morphew staged the scene, which means to me, it's not random.

[Scott Eicher]

I totally agree with that. If it was a burglar coming in, he would have ended up in a scuffle or something that he would run immediately and not stage the scene. That's evidence of someone that lives there, that knows where things are supposed to be in that residence.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I want to talk about the staging aspect of this. Mark Tate joining me, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney with the Tate Law Group. Who shot to fame during the Alex Murdaugh investigation and conviction. Tate. Okay, I'm not asking you to take the defense hat just yet. I'm asking you to comment on what I'm talking about staging the scene. Her bike was found closer to her home. And at the time, Barry Morphew, who has just walked free, everybody stated a mountain lion must have done it. There's her bike. Her helmet was found about a mile away. I guess mountain lion did that too. So somebody went to the effort of putting the bike here, the helmet somewhere else, and the body far, far away. Just go with me on this. The significance of staging the scene. Who stages. Somebody that doesn't want to be caught, Somebody that thinks they can outsmart police. If it's random, there's no staging.

[Mark Tate]

Right. It does look staged. It makes a problem. I think, as you discussed, I'm supposed to take off the defense counsel.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Ha.

[Mark Tate]

And I'm willing to do that. But this is the kind of thing that makes it difficult to defend a case. You know, the best type of case, if you're going to defend someone who's accused of murder, is where, number one, the body's not found. Number two, that it's not set up to create and appear to be set up to be a distraction. Obviously, there was something created here to try to make it look like it was a bicycle accident. It was anything but a bicycle accident. And it gives this Mr. Morphew, his defense lawyer, a very difficult time, I think, to reckon with explanations. That, and of course, the prescription for the tranquilizers that was found in her were found in her, I think, makes all of that difficult.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, yeah. Bam. Oh, yeah, yeah. Very, very difficult. You know, Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us. I want you to follow up on what Tate is saying. Renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction, author of Deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock and find her a Dr. Bethany Marsh. Dr. Bethany. Staging. Staging. It could be anything from. Let's see, I had one case where the mom was found dead naked on her bed, and the perp had put a wicker, the bathroom wicker, largely decorative trash can over her head. It could be as simple as hiding the body with leaves or putting a blanket over the body, putting the body in a trash bag. Just all of that is considered staging. Or for instance, in the Ellen Greenberg case, stabbed nearly 30 times. We've got blood dry going from here to here. But somebody had propped her up, the blood would have gone down. But just propping her up equals staging. Who stages a Scene person who stages.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

A scene is somebody who obviously doesn't want to be caught, but it's not somebody who has just raped the person or stolen something from them, as you said earlier, or just maybe hit them in a car accident or something like this. This where it's premeditated. And the perp has already prepared a dump site for the body. I listened to the tape of the investigation when Morphew first went out with the investigators to look for his wife, and I was surprised the number of times he said, it must have been a mountain lion. It must have been a mountain lion. It must have been a mountain lion. So not only was there staging of the body, but there was this suggestive, persuasive influence on the people who were looking for her that something she had met some demise that was perfectly explainable.

[Nancy Grace]

It's like Dorothy in the wizard of Oz. Dr. Bethany clicking heels together three times, saying instead of there's no place like home and suddenly being transported back to Kansas, he's saying, it must have been a mountain lion. It must have been a mountain lion. It must have been a mountain lion that's going to transport him out of the murder investigation. You know what, I appreciate you saying that, Dr. Bethany, but let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Is it a crash?

[Mark Tate]

I mean, the bike looked, the way.

[Nancy Grace]

It was laying, it kind of looked like it, but there's not really that.

[Scott Eicher]

Much damage to the bike.

[Mark Tate]

That's the thing.

[Scott Eicher]

Yeah.

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No lion.

[Nancy Grace]

I didn't see anything that would.

[Gregory Nieto]

I didn't see anything. And they're not letting us go over.

[Nancy Grace]

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[Mark Tate]

Anybody look for foot jacks on the road?

[Gregory Nieto]

I haven't seen anything really, but like, people.

[Mark Tate]

I didn't really know this, but I, I won't lie.

[Gregory Nieto]

I'm not like an expert tracker or.

[Nancy Grace]

Something, you know, they may not be a mountain lion expert, but I happen to have a mountain lion expert with me right now. Esteemed Dr. Grace Stafford joining us, a zoologist, has worked with zoos, aquariums. Consultant host of Zoologic podcast, author of Zoomility. It goes on and on. Faculty member, Grand Canyon University Dr. Grace Stafford, the mountain lion. It must have been a very cunning mountain lion to jerk her off of her bike, take away her body two and a half hours away, and oh yes, on the way, throw her helmet elsewhere.

[Gregory Nieto]

Yeah, that's, that's not going to happen. They might drag the body away to a more convenient site, but not two and a half hours away.

[Nancy Grace]

What would you have expected to find at the scene if a mountain lion. Oh, good grave. I can't believe we're even talking about a mountain lion. If a mountain lion had killed Suzanne.

[Gregory Nieto]

Morphew, well, there would be tracks. If they had animals like dogs to track this animal, they would pick up on scents. There would be signs of struggle, signs of probably injury, bleeding. Even if the animal dragged her away, there still would be signs of struggle.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. Grace Stafford joining us, renowned zoologist Dr. Stafford, isn't it true that a wild animal such as a mountain lion typically would only drag its prey X amount of yards away so it could eat. It would eat the prey almost immediately. This is not some sci fi thriller where the, you know, mythical mountain lion gets her body and much like a griffin, then flies off to the mountains to eat it. That's not the way it works with wild animals. They drag the body 30 to 50 yards and they eat it right then and there. They have a buffet there. I'm sure there's a reason for that. Are they afraid another animal will get the carcass from them? I don't know. I just know that's true.

[Gregory Nieto]

You're absolutely right, Nancy. An animal is going to want to protect its kill and depending on whether it's a female with cubs or a male, their behavior might change a little bit as far as how far they would drag that prey away. But they're going to protect that prey and it's not going to be dragging that person or prey miles and miles away.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me, Tisha Leeway, a dear friend of Susan Morphew. Tisha, when you first heard that Barry Morphew put it out there that Suzanne had been killed by a mountain lion, did you believe that for one minute?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

No, not even a second. It was the most absurd defense that he could even have. First of all, they didn't find any blood, any, you know, anything to do with a mountain lion, you're not going to find it clean space. You would have probably found her probably 100 yards away, if anything, or pieces of her clothing, blood. There was nothing.

[Nancy Grace]

Gregory Nieto joining us, Fox31 Denver. Now, Greg, where did this mountain lion theory first come from?

[Gregory Nieto]

When it first came from Barrie, the first night we were there when Suzanne was first reported missing, it was a twofold theory. It initially started off with, well, perhaps it was a homeless encampment that dragged Suzanne away from her bicycle and done away with her.

[Nancy Grace]

And then it quickly Gregory, hold on. The homeless did it. Have you heard the homeless did it before? Okay, what yeah. Between the mountain lion and the homeless encampment, it's always the homeless. They do it. Tell me about this. I haven't heard this.

[Gregory Nieto]

So we. The first again, night she went missing, we head down to Maysville, Colorado. And I know her, her best friend there can explain the topography a little better than I can. But regardless, the further south and west you go, it quickly becomes, I mean, extreme mountainous. At one point, authorities were searching a nearby lake or pond for Suzanne. When we first arrived on scene, it was the focal point was the bicycle. The fact that Suzanne was no longer attached to the bicycle and the fact that a homeless individual encampment was responsible, that was the theory at the time when we first got down there and dragged her away from that bicycle and is responsible or was responsible for her death.

[Nancy Grace]

Following up on that vein, Gregory Nieto, how far away was the homeless encampment from where her bike was found?

[Gregory Nieto]

Not very far. Again, you're talking about a mountainous area where there are plenty of ravines and crevices and whatnot. And her bicycle was found not all that far away from the family home, but just far enough away where, again, the theory was if a homeless individual was responsible for her demise, that it was just far enough away from the house where that individual wouldn't have been seen.

[Nancy Grace]

But wait a minute. You're saying ravines, mountains. So the homeless person climbs across the ravine and down the mountain, kills Suzanne, and then what? That's the theory they went through to kill Suzanne Morphew.

[Gregory Nieto]

That was the original or initial theory that that may have been what happened to her. I mean, that area, you know, you look at it on foot and as we did, it doesn't seem like an area that any other individual human being would, even if you were homeless, I don't think get enough access to enough of the, you know, land amenities to survive. So anybody else living in the area where the bicycle was.

[Nancy Grace]

You're making me think of another question. Gregory. Who first came up with the idea that she had disappeared off her bike? Who first said she was going for a ride since she was all alone on Mother's Day? Fat chance. Who first put that in everybody's mind that she would be attached to her bike? It was Barry and Gregory Nieto. Isn't it true that Barry Morphew said that to the neighbor that he called, like, where is her bike? She was going to go for a ride? Something like that.

[Gregory Nieto]

Yep. I mean, again, if you remember, Barry was out of town on Mother's Day weekend up in closer to Denver, and You know, when we first arrived down there in the Maysville area, one of the prevailing theories was, why would she be riding that bicycle by herself on Mother's Day? Mother's Day weekend. And where was Barry? And why was it that she's out there on this bicycle by herself in an area where the further you get away from the family home? I mean, in theory, you know, it could be, I suppose, a little bit more dangerous just because you're getting further, further away from the home. But Barry's the first one that established that theory about the bicycle and her being, you know, removed from it. And that's where this all kind of started.

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[Mark Tate]

Oh, Suzanne, if anyone is out there that can hear this, that has you, please, we'll do whatever it takes to bring you back. We love you, we miss you. Your girls need you, no questions asked, however much they want.

[Gregory Nieto]

I will do whatever it takes to get you back.

[Mark Tate]

Honey, I love you. I want you back so bad.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

She was in the backyard and I think that's where he shot her with a tranquilizer gun. I think she got up, I think she ran. He ain't looking around for nothing. He's not calling her name. He doesn't say hey in case she got hurt on the bike, there was some horrible accident. He doesn't refer to it. He doesn't talk about it.

[Nancy Grace]

He's not checking anything. Barry Morphew charged in the murder of his wife Suzanne Morphew has walked free. Yes. Listen.

[Narrator/Reporter]

When Barry Morphew is indicted in Colorado for the first degree murder of his wife Suzanne, Arizona friends who know him as Bruce or Lee Moore are conflicted when they find out that the guy they had a beer or a dance with, Smith, is not a local handyman from the trailer park, but a man wanted for first degree murder of his wife. Finding out Bruce is not his real name. Harold's Cave Creek Corral bar manager Charlie Lutz spends hours reading stories about the man from Colorado accused of murdering his wife on Mother's Day.

[Nancy Grace]

Gregory Nieto Joining us, investigative reporter Fox31 Denver. Didn't the judge do a complete 180 and about face? What was the first view on bond?

[Gregory Nieto]

Yeah, they were simply trying to get the overall amount reduced and the judge was not going to go for that. And so ultimately the shock of everybody, I think, at least in the state of Colorado, the judge went down the path of this surety, which is really translation for bail bondsman covering in this case 10% of that 3 million dollar bond. The first question of course to Barry's attorney is well, who's responsible for raising this money? And imagine the two daughters have that much money. And all the attorney would say is it's his supporters. Well, who are the supporters? I've been in constant contact with the folks down in Salida radio station down there who has kind of the temperature of the community. And they could not think of anybody that would fit the bill of a very morphew supporter outside of his two daughters and perhaps some women in Arizona.

[Nancy Grace]

What do you mean women in Arizona? Is he now a sugar baby? Is somebody supporting him?

[Gregory Nieto]

That idea has been floated a little bit down there with the amount of time he was spending in, in Arizona. And at this point that's, that's just what some folks.

[Dr. Thomas Coyne]

Wait a minute.

[Nancy Grace]

Somebody had to put up this money. Somebody had to put up the money, half of it. And the bail bondsman, a Denver's A1 bail bonds agreed to cover the rest. Somebody had to put up something.

[Gregory Nieto]

Yeah, the attorney, that's all I would. He would leave it with. Is Barrymore few supporters. And again, the amount of times I've been down there, Fisher can vouch for this. I mean, being inside the courtroom, being outside the courtroom, I don't think. Again, outside of the two daughters who were always there every time Barry is let out of jail, I couldn't remember talking to one person who would say, hey, you know, you just don't know Barry like I know Barry. We support him throughout everything he's going through. So when you talk about Barry Morphy supporters, I don't know who that would be.

[Nancy Grace]

But it's not just that the judge did a U turn in the middle of the road and gave Barry Morphew bond. He has walked free all smiles and why shouldn't he be? But listen to these bond restrictions.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Morphew's bond restrictions begin with a GPS monitor, a ban on leaving Colorado and surrendering his passport. He is also under strict house arrest and can only leave his home for medical emergencies or meetings with his attorneys. He's not allowed to consume alcohol or controlled substances. There is a mandatory protection order barring him from contacting witnesses or the victim except his daughters, one of whom was with the bail bondsman. To get Morphew out of jail, he cannot possess firearms or dangerous weapons, and he must only use his legal name.

[Nancy Grace]

What? An ankle monitor? Are you kidding me? Does anybody on this panel know how to beat an ankle monitor? Anybody? I bet Tate does. Mark Tate, a veteran defense attorney. Let me just say, swans don't swim in a cesspool, Tate. All right, I'm sure you know how to beat an ankle monitor. Can we start with cutting the strap? Can we just start with that? That's an obvious. Or using aluminum foil. You ever heard of that?

[Mark Tate]

Well, I would never counsel a client to try to counter his bond measures.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, no, you.

[Mark Tate]

But we do have. Have. I wouldn't do that now if it was me that needed to get away and it was, you know, something that would help produce a better show for you when we could talk about me hiding one of my ankle monitors. But right now I'm not on one, so that's not really something to worry about. But, no, that clearly would be a violation of his bond. And, you know, I. I think that Tay.

[Nancy Grace]

I think Suzanne wants you. Is dead.

[Mark Tate]

I've seen it. And we are dealing, obviously, with a murder. It's a bad situation. No one, I think is alleged that this was a. We're talking about somebody who's blamed a mountain lion. We've talked about somebody who has shifted around, is using fake names. Come on, Nancy. He's using fake names. He's made a mockery of this system. And if we can figure out a way to show that he, in fact, is the mockery, that increases, I think, the chance of him breaking and being held accountable for what happened to his wife. You know, he's fled the jurisdiction. By the way, the trailer park that he. That we keep talking about was not some squalid trailer park. It's a very campy, glamping park that is a place where people book little fun stays. It's not, you know, the squalid trailer park that perhaps we have seen. This guy is a mockery of himself. And so it's time, I think, start.

[Nancy Grace]

Calling him out right there. My great grandma lived in a trailer, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[Mark Tate]

I'm not talking about your great grandmother's trailer park.

[Nancy Grace]

We're talking about here in the sky. Why am I hearing that? I'm still hearing him. Can we go to Scott Eicher, please? Eicher, FOUNDING MEMBER FBI Cellular Analysis Survey TEAM can we talk about ways to be an ankle monitor? It's not rocket science. It's not brain surgery. Number one, cut the strap. Duh. Number two, use aluminum foil, and it creates basically a rudimentary Faraday cage. Explain.

[Scott Eicher]

That's true. And a Faraday bag or Faraday cage is referred to, restricts the radio signal coming from the monitor, and so it basically shuts it down so none of the devices can receive that data. So you could leave the house that you're supposed to be in if you cover it up, or as you said, cut it off and leave it at the house, and the authorities don't know that you've left the house. Those are easy ways to defeat the anchor monitor.

[Nancy Grace]

What about using a metal container that completely can block the signal, can it not?

[Scott Eicher]

It can anything. That's. That's what a Faraday bag is, basically. And it's a like tin foil. But if you used a metal container, you can use the same thing. Of course, you'd have to kind of seal it up so the radio signals don't get out of it.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I'm also thinking about how to beat the ankle monitor. Sadly, we've already given him several ideas. I still don't get it. Gregory Nieto, why the Judge did a 180 before there was a bond in place, and then suddenly he's allowed to make bond. What happened?

[Gregory Nieto]

We're all baffled by that. The folks that were listening in to that hearing just assumed that when she, the judge, refused the first request in terms of the overall dollar amount, we just assumed that even though the defense would come back with a counteroffer, if you will, the judge would again say, you know, no dice. But again, it's proving that Barry is almost like a Teflon don. Right? I mean, every time we think collectively that we've reached the end of the road in terms of finally getting to a trial, something new happens. Talk to the folks in Salida who are there every single day. She'll tell you the same thing. Other things in the world were going on last week when the judge first made the decision to go with the surety. And then when Barry's supporters came through with the money to post that bond, other things in the world, in the country, were going on. And the temperature in Salida was, you know, oh, my gosh, this came out of left field. How in the world does this happen? Again, coming to almost the end of the road, Legally, if you will. And then once again, it's getting off the highway.

[Mark Tate]

Oh, Suzanne. If anyone is out there that can hear this, that has you, please. We'll do whatever it takes to bring you back. We love you. We miss you. Your girls need you. No questions asked. However much they want.

[Gregory Nieto]

I will do whatever it takes to get you back.

[Mark Tate]

So, honey, I love you and I want you back soon.

[Narrator/Reporter]

In Cape Creek, Arizona, a town of less than 5,000 people, a man shows up after the COVID epidemic, introducing himself as Bruce and ordering a cold beer at Harold's Cave Creek Corral. Bar. Manager Charlie Lute says ladies approach Bruce and flirt and he would do the same. Libby Sproul is at Harold's when the new man in town asks her for a dance. Libby says, you're Barry Morphew. But the stranger says, no, no, I think you have the wrong person. Later in the evening, an individual introduces the new guy as Lee from Indiana.

[Nancy Grace]

Lee from Indiana. My rear end to Dave Mack. Joining us, crime stories, investigative reporter. Who is Lee from Indiana?

[Narrator/Reporter]

Well, Lee from Indiana is just a.

[Nancy Grace]

Made up or half made up person.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Because, you know, Barry Morphew is from Indiana originally and he's been in Colorado, but now we're out in Arizona and this man from nowhere just pops into town and hops up to the bar, gets a cold beer and asks the lady to dance. I'm Lee Moore.

[Mark Tate]

Got a new life.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, hold on just a moment. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, joining a psychoanalyst out of the Beverly Hills jurisdiction. Dr. Bethany, hold on. Have you ever noticed when people start an elaborate lie, they very often weave in a few true facts? I guess so they can keep their story straight. He is from Indiana, so I mean, this is established. Apparently he's at a bar drinking a cold beer. Women flock to him. I don't get it. I do not get it. It's just like, you know, women, that the woman that married Jorn Van Der Sloot and had his children, the guy that murdered Natalee Holloway and Stephanie Tacciano Flores. Right. I think he's had two babies behind bars. I don't get it. Why do women flock to this guy? Number two. Number one question. So easy to make up a false identity, isn't it? Weaving parts of the truth into his story. And isn't Barry Morphew's middle name Lee?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

You know, Nancy, I think there's always a sliver of truth in every lie, and that's why it becomes believable to some people. But I have another theory, which is that when people lie, they build it on a foundation of some truth because they're also lying to themselves. In other words, they have to convince themselves that what they're saying is true so that it becomes believable to the people around. They have to embrace the lie, live the lie. So if it's tethered to some little, oh, I'm from Indiana, I have size 10 shoes, you know, I have two daughters. Whatever it is about his life, then he can build a whole narrative around that and be more convincing to the people around him.

[Nancy Grace]

In other words, hook, line, and sinker. Hook, line and sinker. How do they do it? I mean, is there some trick to it? When I have lied, I get all hot, all over. I can feel it. I feel like I'm suddenly running a fever. I've even stammered when trying to tell a lie. It never works for me. But some people just rolls off their tongue.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

If you have no conscience, it's easy to lie. And they're very charming, they're very manipulative. And I think this is why the women at the bar flock to him. That these types of individ are initially very outgoing, they're very talkative. Words just roll off their tongue. And I think the women really like that. They're like, hey, this is an authentic guy. This guy's telling me all about himself. He's social. Unlike my last boyfriend or my last husband, who wouldn't go anywhere with me. This guy's out and about, and he loves other people. So they're initially charming until they're not.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, Mark Tate. Don't you just hate it when your client tries to fabricate a big fat lie about his identity, but he uses his own middle name and his birthplace? Whoopsie.

[Mark Tate]

Yeah, that's a disaster. This guy is just as an example, I think, once more of really the defendant's own words get himself in trouble. He's obviously got a very skilled criminal defense lawyer who's done a good job for him. He's got him out on bond. He was successful, apparently pouring out some prosecutorial misconduct, possibly before. But again, the words that come out of his mouth that simply are incongruent with the facts as we see them. And in somewhat, you know, sort of farcical, when we say that a mountain lion apparently was carrying a tranquilizer gun, it doesn't make any sense. And those types of things in the course of the investigation and the prosecution presentation of their case in chief, I think, are going to play a big role. And so, once again, when A client comes, comes to me. My first word to them is, you don't talk. You have a right of against self incrimination and you should exercise it. Because we can only work with defending what you make available to us. And they can work with all the words that you use and say to all the investigators involved and that all comes out. And it's those types of circumstantial statements that you make and ludicrous things that you claim that make a jury have zero, you have zero credibility and put very little confidence, including making up names. When you move 600 miles away to Arizona and start approaching women with fake names at bars, it's disingenuous and nobody on a jury wants to see that or likes to see it.

[Nancy Grace]

And you know, Dr. Bethany Marshall, you see how he uses tidbits of the truth. His middle name is Lee. I mean, he does not have a very good imagination. He's Barry Lee Morphew, and he says he's Lee Moore from Indiana. I guess he would claim that is the truth.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

You know, Nancy, we see with prisoners on death row that the longer they're there, the more they cling to the fact that they were not the perpetrator. I think that in this case, we see somebody who's pumping himself up into somebody. He's not using slivers of the truth. But you know, we're talking about the women who come up to him at the bar would be more interested in the women who said, no, I don't want to dance with you, or no, I don't want to go on a date with you, or after the second date were creeped out and decided not to see him again. How does he react when somebody says no to him and how might that be? Behavioral evidence in terms of how he treated his wife? And one more thing, Nancy, back to the mountain lion, back to that mountain lion, the poor mountain lion, is when he's telling the story about the mountain lion, there's no concern or empathy towards the wife who's gone. And that's one of the primary things we look for in homicide when we do interviews is does the alleged perp have empathy towards the person who's no longer there? If they start criticizing that person or acting dispassionate or in this case, with a new identity, just dating other women, it shows that there's not a tie to the lost love object, which really goes against human nature. We want to be with and care about the people we love.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. Bethany, of course, the defense, a veteran defense attorney like Mark Tate will argue that someone's behavior or their demeanor means nothing. I mean, I think they all stole it from Mark Garrigos. There's no playbook for grief or panic. Okay, fine, tell it to a jury. But when you look at Barry Morphew, he's like, hey, maybe Matlion did it. You're right. There's no inflection at all.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

And in these cases, when somebody doesn't show empathy, the. The rare times that we can say there's no playbook for grief is if the person is dissociated. They're so traumatized that they're dissociated, so they show no affect. But in that case, they're not going to make up a big old lie about a mountain lion. They're not going to be excited. They're not going to be talking about tracks on the road. They're not going to be going to a bar and flirting with other women. Because people who are traumatized and dissociated usually just withdraw from society. So that's the only reason. Only, only reason ever, Nancy, that somebody who's lost a loved one shows no affect is because they are protecting themselves. But that is very rare. Unless he has a history of trauma and a dissociative disorder, he would naturally feel grief. He would be pushing those people along to find his wife. He wouldn't have clever words rolling off his tongue in terms of what might have happened to her.

[Nancy Grace]

Tisha Leeway with us, very dear friend of Suzanne Morphew. I don't get it. What is so charming, so charismatic? What's the pull of Barry Morphew, AKA Lee Moore? Was he that charismatic?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

No, I think he's a narcissistic pig, if I could say that. But I don't understand. I mean, he was dating, right? After six months, she went missing. So, I mean, that tells you a lot. It doesn't surprise me that he's in Arizona trying to pick up on women. I think he thought he was a man that can get whatever he wants. And obviously, so far in this whole thing, he's gotten everything he's asked for. That's including Bond.

[Narrator/Reporter]

600 miles from where Suzanne Morphy was murdered in Colorado. Her now widowed husband, once accused of her murder, is making a new life for himself. He tells a bar manager his name is Bruce and is introduced to a bar patron, Libby Spruill, as Lee from Indiana, creating distance from his past life as Barry Morphew, suspect in his wife's unsolved murder. The man who is now known around town as as Lee Moore lives at the Stardust trailer park and is self employed.

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[Dr. Thomas Coyne]

So first I'll just answer real quick. Toxicology testing in this case was performed on bone tissue because obviously she was comprised only of skeletal remains. They had no soft tissue, no blood, no urine. So the only thing they could test was bone. And bone can actually be used to identify drugs or compounds, whether it's the marrow, if there's fat, because all of our bones have fat within the marrow. Sometimes you can test the marrow or you can actually test the bone itself. The bone mineral drugs will stick to it just based on charge. And so you can identify drugs from bone, thankfully, especially in this case. But with regards to what they identified, the bam, BAM is an acronym for a combination of three drugs, butorphanol, azoparone and metatomidine. And those drugs individually all have powerful sedative properties. And they're used preferentially in large animal species to tranquilize an animal and then to, of course, incapacitate the animal. All three of these drugs in large animals are fairly safe. In other words, they work very rapidly, within 10 to 15 minutes to bring an animal down and to make that animal immobile so you, the human can interact with that animal safely. And then these drugs are safe enough in large animals that they're expected to allow that animal to recover and then go back into its normal habitat. But these drugs are primarily used in large animals like deer, elk, even black bear, because they're safe in large animals, they are not safe humans. The concentrations of the drugs used in this tranquilizer that achieve sedation and immobilization in an animal would be highly toxic in the human. These drugs in combination cause profound respiratory depression and a decrease in your heart rate and blood pressure. In other words, in a human, it would stop that human from breathing and it can also stop that human's heart. And so that because of that, these drugs are contraindicated as a combination in humans. They're only used in veterinary medicine. You would not find these in a pharmacy for humans or in a hospital pharmacy formulary. It's only used for veterinary purposes.

[Nancy Grace]

Can I boil it down? Dr. Thomas Coyne with a quote from Animal Farm. Four legs good, two legs bad, animals can sustain Bam. It's deadly for people, correct?

[Dr. Thomas Coyne]

Yes, that is absolutely correct.

[Nancy Grace]

And Dr. Coyne, when you refer to getting the DNA from her bone marrow, what it is in simple regular people talk, what is bone marrow?

[Dr. Thomas Coyne]

So the inside of our long bones has marrow. Marrow is the part of our body that makes our blood cells, predominantly our red blood cells. But marrow also has a lot of fat, especially in those of us who are above the age of 30. Most of our bone marrow is fat. That's why people actually eat bone marrow. It's very tasty because of that fat. So that fat reservoir can contain drugs, especially if you use it to test for toxicology. But the bone mineral, so let's say a person has been decomposed and their bones have been outside for a long period of time, all of that fat tissue inside the bone may be gone. So all you're left with is the actual bone itself. You can actually still test that bone because the minerals that make up our bone drugs will stick to it based on charge. And so even in archaeological samples that are greater than 100 years old, you can sometimes test and find what a person may have consumed, poisons in their environment, things of that nature. So it can still be used for toxicology testing.

[Nancy Grace]

Back to Grace Stafford, zoologist. Dr. Grace Stafford, tell me about BAM, how it's used. Why would anybody even have it? That's not a vet.

[Gregory Nieto]

That's a great question. Because it is used in wildlife medicine, as your previous guests have mentioned, it's highly concentrated. The three drug cocktail is highly regulated. It's dangerous around human beings. You have to have high concentration, high efficacy of this drug because of course you're shooting a dart and you can't have large volumes that you're injecting into an elephant from a helicopter or from tree stand. It has to be very potent. So even a small amount can be, can be very catastrophic for a human being.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, according to the indictment linking Morphew to purchases of BAM prescription, records show that when Suzanne Morphew disappeared, only one private citizen living in the entire area of the state had access to bam. One private citizen that is not a veterinarian. And that would be Barry Morphew. Now, according to the evidence, her body was saturated with BAM. To Scott Eicher joining us, founding member of the FBI's elite cellular analysis survey team. You just heard Dr. Grace Stafford, the zoologist, state that BAM enters the body through a dart. Now, according to cell data, we see erratic movements by Barry Morphew's phone just before Suzanne Morphew disappeared. Could you explain?

[Scott Eicher]

I can. I've seen the photograph that they've presented where there's some GPS points, it looks like around the house. I guess Barry claimed that at this point in time, he's moving around the house shooting chipmunks with darts. One, that's. That's a very hard thing to do. Those little tiny guys with a dart. But I can see that that's the GPS points or whatever they might be. You know, put his phone moving around the house. And that could be from several different things. It could be GPS from the phone. It could be estimated locations from the cellular network, which is not gps. So he could be just moving around the house. In this case, maybe straightening up or cleaning up, up to the mess. I don't believe he's obviously out there shooting chipmunks.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Barry Morphew's cell phone is pinging all around the house on May 9. Investigators believe the activity shows Morphew chasing Suzanne around the house after shooting her with a tranquilizer gun. Asked about the unusual activity, Morphew claims he was just shooting chipmunks around the property. They're a constant problem. Another problem for Morphew is his timeline of the night of May 9th. He claims he went to bed at 8pm but his truck computer shows the truck in reverse and backing up toward the house around 9.30pm Let me remind.

[Nancy Grace]

Everyone that Barry Morphew is considered under the law innocent. He is presumed innocent. And the rest of that sentence is unless and until the state overcomes that presumption with evidence that proves guilt. Right now, Barry Morphew is presumed innocent. If you know or think you know anything about Suzanne Morphew's murder, you may think it's insignificant. Louisiana law enforcement may think otherwise. It's not too late to come forward. The Tip line is 719-312-7530. Repeat, 719312. 7530, Nancy Grace signing off. Good night.

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