CHARLIE KIRK ALLEGED ASSASSIN TREATS HIMSELF TO A STEAK DINNER JUST HOURS AFTER GUNNING DOWN HUSBAND AND FATHER KIRK

Summary

Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode Title: CHARLIE KIRK ALLEGED ASSASSIN TREATS HIMSELF TO A STEAK DINNER JUST HOURS AFTER GUNNING DOWN HUSBAND AND FATHER KIRK
Date: February 7, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Notable Guests: Randolph Rice (former felony prosecutor and criminal defense attorney), Dr. Bethany Marshall (psychoanalyst), Hermania Rodriguez (Daily Mail), Chris McDonough (Cold Case Foundation/former homicide detective), Joe Scott Morgan (professor of forensics)

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Episode Overview

In this explosive episode, Nancy Grace and an all-star panel dissect the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a speaking event at Utah Valley University. The focus intensifies as new details emerge about the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson—including his calm steakhouse dinner only hours after the shooting—and the mounting evidence and charges against him. The episode covers the prosecution’s strategy, psychological insights, family dynamics, and the outright shocking audacity of the crime.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Details of the Assassination

• Event: Charlie Kirk, head of Turning Point USA and prominent conservative activist, was shot during a speech at Utah Valley University. The shooting took place 20 minutes into the event, with a single shot fired from 200 yards away from a rooftop ([04:07]).
• Immediate Aftermath: Chaos ensued with students running and Kirk being evacuated. Authorities at first erroneously reported a suspect was in custody before correcting it.
• Apprehension: Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter, was arrested later the same night, observed wearing a maroon t-shirt, light shorts, and a black hat ([06:44]).

2. The Steak Dinner

• Post-Crime Behavior: Within hours of the shooting, Robinson was seen eating a large steak dinner alone at a mom-and-pop steakhouse three hours from the crime scene. Restaurant staff described him as quiet but with a voracious appetite ([02:32]; [49:50]).

  “Yeah, shooting Charlie Kirk, husband and father activist, certainly did not dampen his appetite.” – Nancy Grace ([02:32])

3. The Charges, Prosecution Strategy, and Legal Analysis

• Charges Filed: Tyler Robinson faces multiple charges, including aggravated murder (with special circumstances), discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and committing a violent offense in the presence of a child ([08:07]; [58:08]).
• Death Penalty: Utah is one of five states where the firing squad is still allowed as a form of execution ([58:08]).
• Loaded Charges: Discussion among legal experts about "charging in the alternative," giving the jury multiple routes for conviction ([08:58]-[10:11]).

  “They loaded him up. That's right. With so many alternative counts it will be hard for a jury to find him not guilty.” – Nancy Grace ([08:07])

4. Debate on Aggravating Circumstances

• Aggravating Elements Sought:
  • Shooting in the presence of children.
  • Targeting a political figure for their speech, likened to shootings of judges or officials ([10:37]-[13:24]).
  • Endangering others in a crowded setting ([12:02]).
• Legal Back-and-Forth: Defense perspective contends that prosecutors may be “reaching” for aggravated murder but agree it’s a typical tactic to force plea bargains ([10:11]; [13:06]).

  “Every single case, every defense attorney says that you're overreaching… that's their job.” – Randolph Rice ([13:06])

5. Planning, Evidence, and Digital Forensics

• Pre-Meditation: Surveillance footage and digital forensics established that Robinson arrived on campus hours ahead, changed clothes, stashed the rifle in his pants (walking with a limp as a result), and turned his phone off during the crime, echoing tactics in other cases (e.g., Kohberger) ([15:51]-[19:46]).
• Forensic Evidence: DNA matching Robinson was found on the rifle, cartridges, and towel used to conceal it ([20:28]; [52:11]).

  “Police had a field day when they got their hands on this thing in the lab…” – Joe Scott Morgan ([52:04])

6. Psychological Profile and Suspect Background

• Suspect Background: Came from a loving, supportive family, received a top-tier scholarship, but dropped out of college ([21:07]-[22:06]).
  • Family was aware of his relationship with a transgender male roommate ([39:20]).
• Psychoanalytic Commentary: Dr. Bethany Marshall suggests Robinson exhibited “narcissistic vulnerability,” inability to integrate among peers, sensitivity to perceived slights, and need to assert control dramatically ([22:41]-[24:18]; [35:54]).

  “So he's trying to reverse a feeling of being powerless, helpless and at the bottom of society.” – Dr. Bethany Marshall ([24:18])

7. Family Reaction and Moral Guilt

• Mother’s Dilemma: After seeing surveillance images, Robinson's mother suspected her son, called him, and ultimately turned him in despite immense guilt ([31:22]-[35:21]).

  “This mother has her own lifetime sentence.” – Dr. Bethany Marshall ([35:07])

8. Online Culture References & Bullet Engravings

• Bullet Messages: Robinson engraved memes and references ("Notices bulge uwu") on bullets—initially sparking misinterpretations about motive (furries/trans issues), later appearing to be attempts at internet humor ([39:57]-[41:42]).
  • Panelists condemn the minimization of the crime; joke or not, the context is grave.

  “What psycho engraves the bullets? I guess this guy.” – Nancy Grace ([42:11])

9. Roommate’s Role and Potential for Accomplice Charges

• Roommate’s Involvement: Roommate/witness was present during bullet engraving, exchanged texts with Robinson post-crime ([41:42]-[44:49]). Debate over whether to charge roommate as an accomplice while relying on crucial testimony.

  “You can get his testimony and charge it as an accomplice to murder at the same time.” – Nancy Grace ([43:07])

10. False Confession Distraction

• George Zinn Incident: An unrelated elderly man confessed to the shooting, intending to let the real shooter escape; was arrested and later charged with unrelated child pornography crimes ([55:27]-[57:13]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the steak dinner:

  "Apparently committing murder did not affect his appetite." – Nancy Grace ([49:50])

• On overcharging as prosecution strategy:

  “There is no way you are walking out of that courtroom if I have anything to do with it without a conviction.” – Nancy Grace ([08:58])

• Legal realism:

  “Every single case, every defense attorney says that you're overreaching. I do it in all the cases that I defend because that's their job.” – Randolph Rice ([13:06])

• On digital evidence:

  “These phones are the modern crime scene.” – Joe Scott Morgan ([19:46])

• Psychoanalytic insight:

  “He's trying to reverse a feeling of being powerless, helpless and at the bottom of society.” – Dr. Bethany Marshall ([24:18])

• On the roommate/witness dilemma:

  “You can get his testimony and charge it as an accomplice to murder at the same time.” – Nancy Grace ([43:07])

• On the shooter’s priorities:

  “He’s worried about his dad being mad he lost the grandpa’s gun. What about the death penalty?” – Nancy Grace ([54:00])

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Important Timestamps

• Assassination overview and national response: [04:07]–[07:13]
• Prosecutors’ legal strategy and death penalty discussion: [08:07]–[13:24]
• Surveillance/video evidence, digital forensics: [15:51]–[20:23]
• Psychological background/analysis: [21:07]–[24:18]; [35:07]
• Mother ID's son as shooter; family narrative: [31:22]–[35:21]
• Meme/online culture and bullet engravings: [39:57]–[41:42]; [49:50]–[51:10]
• Roommate’s testimonial role: [41:42]–[44:49]
• False confession and follow-on prosecution (George Zinn): [55:27]–[57:13]
• Summary of charges and closing: [58:08]

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Conclusion

This episode highlights not only the devastation and outrage following Charlie Kirk’s murder but also the complexity of criminal investigations in the digital era and the prosecution’s maneuvering to secure a conviction. Panelists weigh in on everything from legal strategy to the psychology of the accused, giving listeners a layered, fast-moving, and at times darkly ironic exploration of one of the most shocking crimes in recent political history.

Final Note: Tyler Robinson awaits trial, facing the possibility of death by firing squad. Nancy Grace closes with the sentiment that justice will unfold in time.

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[Nancy Grace]

Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, the facts just keep mounting in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now a Utah restaurant owner claims the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, was hungry. Yeah, shooting Charlie Kirk, husband and father activist, certainly did not dampen his appetite. The owner, the restaurant owner even revealing what the alleged assassin ordered. Wow. How do people do it? I've always been curious how do they manage to wolf down a steak dinner after gunning somebody down dead? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. That's right, a Utah business owner says Tyler Robinson wolfed down a steak dinner after allegedly gunning down conservative activist Charlie Kirk. And it wasn't just a steak dinner. It was a hearty steak dinner. It was the mom and pop Steakhouse about three hours south of where the Turning Point USA founder was shot at an Orem College gathering. The 22 year old murder suspect sat all alone at the counter, kept to himself, but ate like a pig. That's what we're learning. Okay, reality check. Enough about the steak dinner. What about Charlie Kirk? What happened that day?

[Randolph Rice]

Charlie Kirk, the 31 year old head of Turning Point USA, is shot dead during a speaking event at Utah Valley University in Orem. The shooting took place about 20 minutes into his speech. Bystanders said Kirk was hit in the neck while answering student questions. A UVU alert confirmed, quote, a single shot was fired on campus toward a visiting speaker. Police are investigating now. Video from the scene showed students running as the shots rang out and Kirk being rushed away by his security team. Utah Governor Spencer Cox posted on X, quote, those responsible will be held fully accountable. Violence has no place in our public life. Americans of every political persuasion must unite in condemning this act. Our prayers are with Charlie, his family and all those affected. Utah Senator Mike Lee wrote, quote, please, please join me in praying for Charlie Kirk and the students gathered there. Vice President Vance added on X, say a prayer for Charlie Kirk, a genuinely good guy and a young father. FBI Director Cash Patel said, quote, we are closely monitoring reports of the tragic shooting involving Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University. Our thoughts are with Charlie, his loved ones and everyone involved. Agents will be on the scene quickly and the FBI stands in full support of the ongoing response. Kirk himself had Posted online only moments before the attack. Quote, we are so back. Utah Valley University is fired up and ready for the first stop on the American Comeback Tour. Charlie Kirk rose to national prominence after co founding Turning Point USA in 2012. He has since built the group into a major conservative force on campuses, created several offshoots including Turning Point Action and Turning Point Faith, and he hosts the Charlie Kirk Show. He has been a strong supporter of President Trump and has often spoken out on issues like critical race theory and government mandates. On Wednesday, he was speaking under a tent at the university courtyard as part of his American Comeback Tour. Shots were fired from the top of a nearby building about 200 yards away. The campus went into lockdown while police and federal agents swarmed the scene. Earlier reports stated a shooter was arrested, but that has been corrected by UVU to state that there is no suspect in custody. With a high degree of certainty, we have him. Good morning ladies and gentlemen. We got him.

[Nancy Grace]

A massive manhunt.

[Randolph Rice]

The suspect was taken into custody of traffic, 10pm local time.

[Nancy Grace]

The assassin who gunned down a loving father of two, a husband.

[Randolph Rice]

The suspect was apprehended in historic time period. In custody, right in custody.

[Nancy Grace]

The assassin who guns down a father of two.

[Randolph Rice]

He is observed on video in a plain maroon T shirt, light colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo and light colored shoes. Arriving on UVU campus in a great Dodge Challenger at approximately 8:29am Tyler Robinson. Robinson had become more political in recent years. A second unfired casing read, oh bella chow, Bella chow, Bella chow, chow chow. And a third unfired casing read, if you read this, you are gay, his.

[Nancy Grace]

Wife and two little children who will grow up without daddy.

[Randolph Rice]

This is a very sad day for again for our country. And I do know this is going to be a federal case. And there's many of us believe that Charlie was targeted because of his political ideology. Yeah, what's going to happen to this guy? Well, I hope he was going to be found guilty, I would imagine. And I hope he gets the death penalty. Tyler James Robinson. Count one, aggravated murder. Count two, felony disposal, discharged of a firearm, causing serious bodily injury. I am filing a notice of intent to save the death penalty. The defendant is believed believed to have targeted Charlie K based on Charlie K's political expression and did so knowing the children were present and would witness the homicide.

[Nancy Grace]

Death penalty. Is the death penalty. Is the death penalty. They loaded him up. That's right. With so many alternative counts it will be hard for a jury to find him not guilty.

[Randolph Rice]

Listen I am filing a criminal information charging Tyler James Robinson, age 22, with the following crimes. Count one, aggravated murder, a capital offense for intentionally or knowingly causing the death of Charlie Herc under circumstances that created a great risk of death to others. Count two, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, a first degree felony legal term.

[Nancy Grace]

They ain't playing. Joining me in all star panel to make sense of what we are learning in the courtroom, straight out to Randolph Rice joining us, former felony prosecutor, now criminal defense attorney joining us at Rice Law. Randolph Rice charging in the alternative. I've done it a million times. If I got a case and the grand jury had not indicted in the alternative, I would either a send it back to the grand jury and represent it myself to get those alternative counts or have the judge charge the jury with the alternative counts. What I mean by that is you shoot Jackie, you plan to shoot Jackie. As malice aforethought is premeditated murder. Murder one. So I charge you with murder one, but I'm worried. So then I charge you with voluntary manslaughter. Murder two, involuntary manslaughter, if I'm desperate. In other words, there is no way you are walking out of that courtroom if I have anything to do with it without a conviction. They loaded him up. Explain in a nutshell, right?

[Randolph Rice]

Well, Nancy, you did a great job of explaining that because if you don't get that top count, that most serious count, you've got the backups. But the problem here is, and there is a problem, is that I think that they may be reaching on this aggravated murder. Now, they may be using this as leverage to force him or try to get him to take a plea. But the aggravating circumstances at this point, I think are very, very thin head blowing off.

[Nancy Grace]

Are you. They're reaching. Are you serious? This guy, According to the state, this guy stakes out the place. And I believe they're going to end up with video showing that was not his first trip to the top of that roof. He stakes it out. He plans it in advance. Even a wardrobe change. A lot of forethought goes into this. He targets someone because of their freedom of speech. I don't care if you agree with Kirk or disagree with Kirk. I really couldn't care less. Doesn't matter. He targeted him for his freedom of speech. And that is a major, major aggravating circumstances, akin to shooting a judge or shooting a political figure like the president or the vice president or shooting a prosecutor or shooting a cop. You go after them because of what they represent. That you don't like. And you actually. You know what? You really know how to kick it off wrong, don't you? I bet you're super downer at a party. You come in to crime stories and blurt out, the state is reaching. What could be more aggravating?

[Randolph Rice]

Well, Nancy, the problem is that they're trying to rely on the fact that there were children present or that the crime could have hurt somebody else. And again, that seems to be a bit of a.

[Nancy Grace]

Show him the crowd there. There you go. Look. Look at that. He shot from a little under 200 yards away. And you're saying nobody else was in danger. Rice, look at your monitor.

[Randolph Rice]

Nobody else is in danger in this situation, at least from. Again, I'm arguing the defense here, and I think that the state has a good argument. But in the defense's argument, they're going to say this was a single bullet that had a single target that ultimately killed Charlie Kirk and it didn't endanger the other people in the crowd. And that's where there may be a problem for the prosecutors in trying to seek the charge that seeks the death penalty.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so, Randolph, you come in, you plop down in the studio, and you first say, the state is reaching. They can't prove it. Did I not hear you just say the state has a good argument? So which one is it? Does the state have a good argument? I say they do. Or are they overreaching? You know, that's a very sad second verse, same as the first. Is there any defense attorney that doesn't say, in a murder case, you're overreaching?

[Randolph Rice]

Oh, no. Every single case, every defense attorney says that you're overreaching. I do it in all the cases that I defend because that's their job. Their job is to challenge the prosecution to say, did you try to get too much here? And again, this is a. This is a tactic that the prosecution is using to try to get the defendant to take a plea, saying, hey.

[Nancy Grace]

Look, did you actually say the P word? Plea? You think there's going to be a plea? You think they're going to pull a coburger with the whole world watching them? You don't think they're going to take this to trial and seek the death penalty whether they get it or not?

[Randolph Rice]

I thought Kohberger was going to go to trial, and look what happened there. That this is something they're trying to push him into is to take a plea.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, you know what? That's the first thing you've said so far to Me, Randolph Rice. That makes any sense. But actually, actually, now that I think about it, you're absolutely correct. The number of counts could be a tactic to make the defendant plead guilty, because there seems to be no way out with all these alternative counts. I don't see it happening, though. I don't see a plea going down in this case. But again, you're right. We didn't see one coming in. Kohberger either, but put him up one more time, Randolph. Guys, let me remind you, Rice is a former, very successful felony prosecutor. He's won a lot of cases. Now he is a criminal defense attorney. Civil attorney. So, Randolph, the aggravating circumstance you mentioned was just that other people were in danger. It's not like you shoot Jackie in the studio and it's just the two of you. This is a shooting with a throng of people, thousands of people. If that bullet had gone the wrong way, if there had been a gust of wind, who knows? But they included another aggravating circumstance, that this murder occurred in the presence of children. Now, that is aggravating a violent felony that occurs in the presence of children. How are you going to get out of that, Randolph Rice, bring a child.

[Randolph Rice]

In there that actually saw the murder? They're going to have to prove that in court that a child actually saw it, was affected by it. And therefore, that's the aggravating circumstance. And so I don't know if they've got that right now. You know, it just might be tough for them on that count.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, you're right. That's an element of proof. They will have to bring in a child witness to prove it. Guys, a lot has happened since these charges were announced formally in court. Now, what that was was an arraignment. An arraignment where the defendant is brought in because you cannot stay behind bars over 72 hours without being told what you're charged with by, typically, a magistrate. I believe this is going to be the trial judge from here out. But we're also learning not just the charges, but how the murder went down. Listen.

[Randolph Rice]

At approximately 11:51am the suspect entered campus from the north. He is seen wearing a black shirt with an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap, and large sunglasses. Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head enough to get a clear image of his face. As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gaze. The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining us now, Hermania Rodriguez. She's the chief US Reporter, Daily Mail. Hermania, thank you for being with us. So that explains, hey, let's see that TMZ video we have of him walking, because I can see what the prosecution is talking about, especially if they play this in promo. Hermania, explain what they're talking about.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Right. So officials gave us more insight about the hours before this shooting last week. As we can see on the screen, the suspect was seen arriving on campus about four hours before the shooting. And there he is limping. Now, this made the public wonder why this person was limping. Do they have a limp? Yesterday we learned that actually he had hidden the rifle that he used in one of his pant legs. And that's why he's limping. The way we see him on screen.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, he's kind of bold. What about it? Chris McDonough joining us, Director, Cold Case foundation, former homicide detective, star of the interview room on YouTube, who has gone to this scene, to the home, to the shooting scene, through the neighborhood. You know, that's pretty bold. Has he not heard of ring doorbell cams? Because they catch him going door to door to door to door. They've got almost an uninterrupted path of him walking through the neighborhood. And don't tell me, McDonough, he didn't case this out like, where am I going to park? How am I going to get away? This has been at least, at least days in the making.

[Randolph Rice]

Absolutely, Nancy. And what I've learned is he did have that vehicle up there and it was parked about a mile away from the crime scene. And he walked in to the crime scene to case it out initially before the situation went down. And then later, I've also learned that he turned his phone off for a short period of time and then turned it back on after the homicide.

[Nancy Grace]

Chris McDonough, speaking of walking through the neighborhood to his vehicle, where did he park his muscle car?

[Randolph Rice]

The muscle car, Nancy, was parked approximately a mile away at a church parking lot, an LDS church parking lot.

[Nancy Grace]

Joe Scott Morgan, joining me, professor, forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit new podcast series, Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, really? Did he pull a coburger slash morphew where they both think they've outsmarted everybody by turning their phone off there? It's like my teen children. They're 17, believe it or not, the phone is constantly on, even right down to.01%. Okay? They will not turn it off even when they charge it See, that is a pattern or practice. So when you just coincidentally turn your phone off at the time of the incident, I mean, think about it, Joe Scott. If it weren't for the murder, the mo, modus operandi method of operation would be laughable because you see the pings leading up to a certain spot, and then poof, the phone goes off. The murder occurs, then poof, the phone goes back on and you see the return back to your home nest. Right? It's just.

[Randolph Rice]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. And welcome to the real world here. Because these phones are the modern crime scene. Because it seems like every case that we cover, you know, I think most famously to this point, Kohberger's case, you go to these patterns of behavior. This was spoken a lot, spoken about quite a bit. In that particular case, we have established patterns. Why are you going to turn it off at this particular time? And look, the case is not proven simply based on that, but it's another element that can be integrated into this from a behavioral standpoint.

[Nancy Grace]

This video from our friends over at the Independent. Speaking of the rifle, listen.

[Randolph Rice]

Rifle, ammunition, rounds and towel were sent for forensic processing. DNA consistent with defendant was found on the trigger. Other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and ask for the public's help to identify it. Meanwhile, law enforcement continue to try to identify the shooter through other means.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining us, Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction. She is the author of Deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock and she's at Dr.bethany marshall.com. before you launch into the whole furry connection, I want to hear your thoughts on a guy that comes from a loving home. Very loving, we've heard. Wow. He was afraid to tell his parents he was dating another guy that was transitioning. The family knew. I'm going to tell you about that in just a moment. So he comes from a very loving home. He was smart. Dr. Bethany Marshall got a scholarship, the top 1% of, I believe it was his ACT exam. Almost $40,000 of scholarship, goes to college, doesn't like it, leaves college, comes out, pursues. Oh, listen to this.

[Randolph Rice]

$32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, they're supportive. They love it. My bottom line here is what went wrong? And I'm not talking about his relationship with a guy. That's irrelevant. Doesn't matter. Some people say right, some people say wrong, don't care. But what I'm talking about, Bethany, is how do you go from a loving home where the parents like you're the apple of their eye to becoming a psycho shooter?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Because, Nancy, he seems to me to be. To be what we call narcissistically vulnerable, meaning he gets the $32,000 scholarship, but then he drops out of college and studies to become an electrician. And what that tells me, if he were my patient, is that he cannot tolerate being with his peers. He doesn't feel intact or good enough about himself. He doesn't have a strong ego. So the risk factor for shooters is that they often feel insulted by society. They feel that they are in a one down position, that everybody's bullying them, everybody's acting like they're better than them, and they hold on to every little grudge until they have some kind of a profound loss in their life. And in this case, it may have been dropping out of college. And they become even angrier. And when they decide to shoot, they don't just walk through the crowd, Nancy. They're always on the top of a building. Have you noticed that about school shooters? I mean, one we covered many years ago was a guy who stood at the top of a staircase after having locked all the doors so the students couldn't get out. We call it like the fish in a barrel kind of M.O. of the shooting. So that's the reversing of the feeling of being powerless. Now he's in a powerful position. He's like the big man on campus, literally whizzing bullets over children and families heads, talking about getting an erection, which is inscribed on the bullet, and feeling powerful for the first time in his life. So he's trying to reverse a feeling of being powerless, helpless and at the bottom of society.

[Randolph Rice]

To receive the resident Presidential scholarship from Utah State University. The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters. He is seen wearing a black shirt with an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap and large socks, sunglasses.

[Nancy Grace]

He arrived on campus in different clothing, changed into what we see in those surveillance images, then changed back into the other outfit.

[Randolph Rice]

He shoots and then he's off the building. Then we see him limping as he's walking through.

[Nancy Grace]

He had a conscious, objective, formal charges read in open court. But I'm more interested those charges in my mind were predictable. Although the state did get creative in the aggravating circumstances that they charged. It's not just murder. It's aggravated murder murder with, quote, aggravating circumstances. And the significance of that. In order to seek the death penalty, you have to include aggravating circumstances. Just murdering somebody is not enough. Now there has to be aggravating circumstances. And to Randolph Rice joining us, veteran trial lawyer, they vary, but in every jurisdiction across our country, you have to have aggravating circumstances to seek the death penalty. In Kohberger, it was mass murder. More than one body is mass murder. Here explain the significance of them putting in the indictment in the charges, the aggravating circumstances. They have to be proved just like every element of the crime.

[Randolph Rice]

Nancy, you're exactly right. You've got to prove every single element because what happens is the jurors are going to get a jury instruction at some point in time and it's going to have all these different elements and it's going to say unless you find beyond a reasonable doubt that every single element has been met, then you can't find him guilty of that charge. And so there is the issue with does the state meet these aggravating circumstances? That gets them to the conviction, that gets them to the death penalty.

[Nancy Grace]

So, for instance, in every prosecution, and we'll just go with murder, since that's what we're talking about tonight, you have to prove who is the victim, that the indictment has the victim. Correct. You have to prove the jurisdiction. You have to prove malice aforethought, even if it's malice that lasts for a moment, the twinkling of an instant, the blink of an eye, qualifies as time to prove intent. But when you seek the death penalty, you have to include these aggravating circumstances. And then they become an element of proof. You have to prove them, each element beyond a reasonable doubt. Like you said earlier correctly, they may have to bring in a child to prove a child was in harm's way. So we'll see how the state's going to prove it.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

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[Nancy Grace]

Apparently the woman that serves Robinson said he was quiet and shy, but according to police, he was bold enough to pull off an assassination, taking an extremely difficult shot and gunning down a father and husband husband. So he Turns up three hours away, chowing down the scene that he had just left. Horrific what happened on September 11, 2025.

[Randolph Rice]

The day after the shooting, Robinson's mother saw the photo of the shooter in the news and thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called her son. And asked him where he was. He said he was at home sick and that he had also been at home homesick on September 10th.

[Nancy Grace]

Hold on just a moment. Hermania Rodriguez joining us. Daily Mail. He said he was home sick. What did he add? The dog ate my homework. Homesick. That's a week.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

These were details that, I mean, were really harrowing. If you imagine what these parents went through, as we just saw officials saying, apparently the day after the shoot, this mother looks at the images released by the FBI as they were hunting this person down. She thinks it looks like her son calls him. He says he's at home sick for the second day in a row.

[Randolph Rice]

Yeah.

[Nancy Grace]

You know what? Just got Morgan? What about it? If I saw my son or daughter in a baseball hat and a pair of sunglasses, I would still know it's them.

[Randolph Rice]

Of course you would. Yeah, all of us would. There's no way that you're not going to recognize your child. I think the. The big thing here, you know, probably for this mother, and this is more of a Dr. Bethany issue, but what do you do with that information? You know, how does it. Because you've been with him his entire life. So, you know, again, she's going to call him up. She wants to confirm it. You know, do I believe my lying eyes? And it turns out that her eyes were not lying in this case.

[Nancy Grace]

Nancy, you know What? You're right. Dr. Bethany Marshall, how will this affect the parents going forward, knowing they turned their son in?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

You know, Joe, Scott, Morgan and I were talking on the break, and that sound where he has $32,000 scholarship, do you notice that his affect is very flat? He doesn't seem excited.

[Nancy Grace]

Yes, I did.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

So it's the mother that goes woo. And then he kind of mimics the woo in a less sharp tone or less elevated tone. So I'm going to guess that this mother has a long history of trying to pump her son up to act normal in society. So when she sees this image of him, I don't think it's as much of a shock as you and I might think I would guess. You know, how parents know their children, that they've always known something is wrong, and they're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. She sees the image it's confirmed. She calls dad. Reality meets internal fearfulness. And now she's the one who has to turn him in. Maternal guilt, Nancy. She's going to feel maternal guilt not only that she turned him in, but that she gave birth to somebody who could have done this. And she'll blame herself for having raised him in the wrong way. Although we know these kinds of disorders are very biologically based, it is not the parents fault.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I understood about 50% of what you said. Okay, I think what you said is the mother has likely spent her whole life trying to present to the world and to herself that her son is normal. And I don't mean that he's mentally insane because he clearly knew what he did was wrong. He planned it, he concealed it, then he covered it up afterwards as evidence of guilty conscience. He knew it was wrong. But mom, compensating, saying, look, he won a scholarship, he's so smart. Look, this he, you know, is a boy scout. Look, he sings in the choir, he's awesome, he cuts the grass, I love him, he's wonderful. All the while knowing something is off. That's a lifetime of compensating.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Dr. Bethany yes, this mother has her own lifetime sentence. And obviously I haven't met this guy. I don't know if he's a sociopath, but let's say theoretically, if he was, the mother would likely have noticed many things.

[Nancy Grace]

Look Bethany, look at your screen. Look at your screen. I grew up on a red dirt road, as everybody knows, and I always wonder. I look at people with like a six bedroom home worth over half a million dollars. They're all going to college, they have great jobs. What's not to be happy about? I don't get it. Dr. Bethany maybe I've set the standard too low. But you know, I got a family, I've got a home, I've got a job. For right now, we're all healthy. I'm on top of the world. I don't get it. Bethany.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

But we know that this guy was supremely unhappy. He was so unhappy he couldn't even follow through with a scholarship. So unhappy that he can't even smile when he gets the scholarship. NANCY this has nothing to do with his upbringing or his family. I can say that fairly confidently even without knowing them. This type of disorder is what we call psychobiological, meaning to break it down, there's something wrong with his brain. If you did a brain scan, you would probably see that there's a quieting in the part of the brain that's Responsible for empathy. You might even see like a co Burger syndrome of bullying other people and wanting to be in a one up position.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, no, no, no. I'm not gonna let you go down the Aaron Hernandez route where they claim, the defense claimed he killed so murdered so many people because there was something wrong with his brain when he functioned completely normally and excelled, was a multimillionaire. Blew it. No, no, no.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

But Nancy, this guy was not going.

[Nancy Grace]

To be a defense.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

This guy was not functioning normally. He was on top of that building, sweating, depositing all this DNA. In the text we read that he wants to take the secret with him till old age. So he actually thinks he's going to get away with this. That is something seriously wrong with him.

[Nancy Grace]

Please get her back in the middle of the road and out of the weeds. All criminals think they're the smartest one in the room and they're not going to get caught. They all think that that's not special.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Yeah.

[Randolph Rice]

That's why it's been proven the death penalty doesn't work because it's not a deterrent for to not commit crimes because they don't think about, oh, I'm never going to get caught. So therefore I don't have to worry about getting shot at a firing squad. Mr. Robinson, I also wish to inform you of your rights against self incrimination. Anything that you say in court today could be used against you. And we want to protect your constitutional rights. Mr. Robinson, at this time you will remain in custody without bail. Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson's father. Agreed. Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left.

[Nancy Grace]

As if somehow being left wing means that you're going to gun somebody down at long range. I think the significance of the mom saying the alleged shooter had become more political and left leaning was it was a departure from the family values and what he had been his whole life up until that point. Now, we heard last night that a relative of the roommate blames the roommate for radicalizing the defendant. But the reality is, is it doesn't matter who persuaded him. It doesn't matter. He did this shooting of his own volition. Many people have wondered, did his parents know of his relationship with his male roommate? Yes, they did. Listen.

[Randolph Rice]

She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at uvu, which Robinson said was a stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused of spreading hate.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm not quite sure how a murder of a loving father of two, a husband has turned into an argument about furries and trans. Sydney Sumner joining me, crime stories, investigative reporter. None of that matters. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he's straight, if he was gay, if he was bi, if he was trans. None of that bears on the elements approving a murder case. How did that take center stage, Sid? Well, some interesting bullet engravings and we're.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Learning more about those.

[Nancy Grace]

So at first we maybe thought that this was a reference that Robinson was.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

A furry was part of one of these counterculture groups. But it seems like now, based on.

[Nancy Grace]

His text to his boyfriend, that Robinson was just making a giant joke. So his references to the furry group, Notices bulge uwu who. It was just a joke and it didn't mean anything. So that's why this took such a big Part of this was we thought that he was making some kind of statement with these bullet inscriptions. Are you saying the inscriptions on the bullet were just a joke? Sydney? Summer, according to Robinson, what he told his roommate. Sydney, the engravings that you are suggesting are just a joke were on the bullets used to murder an innocent person. So I don't know who's claiming you know, that's a joke.

[Randolph Rice]

Listen, remember how I was engraving bullets? The messages are mostly a big meme. If I see Notices bulge UWU on Fox News, I might have a stroke. Alright, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really sucks. Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I think that was a $2,000 scope. Delete this exchange.

[Nancy Grace]

So this is an exchange that the alleged shooter, the Kirk shooter, is having with the romantic partner as the roommate is being described. Okay, remember how I was engraving the bullets? Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Number one, what psycho engraves the bullets? I guess this guy in Luigi Mangioni. But that says to me, Randolph Rice, the roommate, was there when Robinson was engraving the bullets. Hello, accomplice, co defendant.

[Randolph Rice]

The problem, Nancy. They need that roommate in their case because that roommate is so important to connecting the Kirk killer, the Kirk shooter, to those text messages. They need to keep that roommate, that love interest, happy. They need to keep them close because that's going to be probably one of their first witnesses. So I hear what you're saying.

[Nancy Grace]

Randolph the two are not mutually exclusive. You can get his testimony and charge it as an accomplice to murder at the same time. In fact, let me guess, does your wife do all the cooking in the home? Have you ever heard of meat tenderizer? I would let the roommate have a few months behind bars to see if that jogs his recollection. So he could be a co defendant and a witness at the same time. What about that thought?

[Randolph Rice]

He can. But remember, you've got to put this in front of a jury. And how does the jury see that? Because if, under your scenario, if you put him in jail and all of a sudden the defense attorney says, hey, you've been sitting in jail, the prosecutor put you there. So you feel like you're forced to tell this story that doesn't look good in front of the jury.

[Nancy Grace]

No, no, no. You can argue that till you're blue in the face. Randolph Rice, the fact that he would be arrested as a co defendant. And again, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That said, of course, the co defendant goes to jail. That's not unique. That said, what do you make of that text? My original question before you went off with your pity party about the roommate going to jail, that shows me that he was there, the roommate was there, and would recall the defendant engraving bullets. And don't you imagine we go, hi, Tyler Robinson, why are you engraving bullets? I would. So are you telling me now he had no idea what was happening?

[Randolph Rice]

No, I think you're right. He did have a knowledge of what was going on. And I think that there's a potential that the roommate gets charged. And you're exactly right on that. I'm looking at it from an optical perspective, but if you wanted to charge the roommate, I think you certainly have that ability to charge them with knowing what was going on beforehand. The problem becomes, can you charge them? What happened after? And then the text messages, that becomes another sort of sticky, sticky situation.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm just trying to figure out what you have to do, Chris McDonough, to actually engrave a bullet. It sounds like trying to thread three needles at once. How do you engrave a bullet?

[Randolph Rice]

Well, there's a couple of ways of doing it, Nancy. You can use, you know, a handheld engraver. But let's also take a hard look at the messaging here.

[Nancy Grace]

Like you just happen to have a handheld engraver in your tool pocket. Who would have a handheld engraver? You know what? Step back and punt. You have anything else for me?

[Randolph Rice]

Yeah, you can. You can buy that really simple at Home Depot. But also recognize that he says mostly the effing messages were mostly a big mean I. E. There's another messaging in the showcasing or the the cartridges that were recovered, they only recovered well, they didn't find any shell casing on the on the roof. So that means a it was either left in the bolt of the of the weapon and then the three in the magazine. So the fact that he was engraving a message on those cartridges tells us there's a bigger story.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I know you want to know. Robinson ordered a large, medium rare sirloin, vegetables on the side and a baked potato. Mm. Apparently committing murder did not affect his appetite. The Charlie Kirk shooting caused shock waves across our country. This is what happened happened. If you don't happen to be one of those people that have a home hand engraver, then how would you do it? With a knife? How do you do that? And it's got to be legible because these were easily read.

[Randolph Rice]

Yeah, it does have to be legible. And the fact from this struck me from the beginning, you know, because we've had a couple. If you remember the Minneapolis shooting at Mass a few weeks ago, that individual wrote these kind of cryptic messages on the magazines themselves. But that was with a marker, like an ink marker. In this case you have to get something that is, you know, I think I mentioned maybe yesterday in the morgue. We use what are referred to as diamond engravers to mark the bases of bullets. And this works on a metallic surface as well. You have electrical engravers? I don't know if he went that far. And the problem is we don't know.

[Nancy Grace]

Wait, wait. I was about to mock you about the diamond engraver. But wait a minute. Didn't he work as an electrician or as an electrician's welder? He may have that tool.

[Randolph Rice]

He very well might. Or he could have some semblance of that. That would be what you have to have is a metallic body that will mark on brass. Because this is brass. It's one of the softest metals that's out there and people do engrave. You know, soldiers have been doing it for years and years. I wonder where you got this idea from. But you know what? I'm more interested in Nancy, not just the engraving. I'm fascinated by the fact that this guy, according to the presser, not only left engravings to mark these rounds, but he also left his DNA on specific components within the weapon, even the trigger. Nancy, this guy's leaving signatures everywhere.

[Nancy Grace]

When you say within the weapon, you're right. Where did authorities find DNA? And they found a lot of it.

[Randolph Rice]

Yeah, I'm thinking. Well, first off, they mentioned specifically the trigger housing, and I say housing actually on the surface of the trigger. So that's probably going to be touch DNA where you're pulling the trigger. However, this weapon has what's referred to as an internal magazine. It's not like the classic magazine kind of drops out and you have to feed it back in. You literally, Nancy, have to take your thumb and press these rounds into that indwelling magazine. So any of those surfaces around there where you're trying to leverage this thing, even on the surface of the bolt, the handle of the bolt, any of these areas, you can deposit DNA. And let's face it, he had this thing wrapped in a towel. He's got this thing in kind of a pristine condition he's left it in. So, you know, they had a field day when they got their hands on this thing. In the lab, police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a who was. Was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and. And he did provide those messages to police. I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my view vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle. I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. How the will I explain losing it to my old man?

[Nancy Grace]

I think he needs to get his priorities straight. He's worried about his dad being mad he lost the grandpa's gun. What about the death penalty? That. What is he thinking? Dr. Bethany Marshall, he's. And did you notice this is a recreate of all of the texts the alleged shooter sends to the roommate? If you notice, roommate's not answering. He's like, what? But the guy's worried about losing grandpa's gun.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Nancy, I'd love to talk about the idea that he thinks that what's on the bullets are a meme. A meme is a joke. So he's already minimizing the severity of the alleged crime. A meme is something that goes viral and everybody sees it. So there's this fantasy of being famous, like being some. Some kind of a hero. The reference to the bulge. I take all of this seriously. None of it is a joke. The bulge is getting an erection while you are shooting somebody. If he were my patient, I would ask him, what is sexually exciting about shooting somebody and whizzing the bullet over a crowd of family and children? Is it that sadism is exciting. Having power over people is exciting. I'd want to try to get to the root of that to understand this guy's mind.

[Nancy Grace]

You know what? There's so much happening in this case. Remember the old guy at the get go that claims he was responsible for the shooting? I did it. I did it. Raising both hands now, saying that he was just trying to give the real shooter a chance to get away. Okay, listen to what the alleged cheater says about that.

[Randolph Rice]

I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Why? Why did I do it? Yeah, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negative, negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. How long have you been planning this? A bit over a week, I believe.

[Nancy Grace]

So much for the insanity defense. He had this thing planned out cold. But my point is, George Zinn, the one that threw investigators off at the beginning, claiming he did, he was arrested. Now everybody's trashing the FBI director for arresting him. He said he did it. Well, there's a sad sack right there. Okay, bombshell. Hermania Rodriguez, he has. George Zinn has caught a few charges himself, hasn't he? Yeah.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

This has been another incredible part of this story. As you said, right after the shooting, this man was filmed saying, I shot him. I shot him. Now, apparently, he has told police that he wanted to give the actual shooter time to get away we have learned that he is someone who has previously caused trouble in the area and he's now charged with child pornography.

[Nancy Grace]

That just trailed off your tongue. Did you just say child pornography?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Correct. After he was taken into custody right after this shooting. Days later, he has been charged with this crime.

[Randolph Rice]

So, Mr. Robinson, you have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, the court can appoint an attorney to represent you. I have reviewed your declaration of financial status and find that you are indigent. I'm provisionally, provisionally appointing a rule A qualified attorney to represent you on your case, Mr. Robinson. Along with their filing of their appearance of counsel, the assigned attorneys must file declarations with the court that outline their qualifications under Rule 8 and the Rule 8c. Under Rule 8b and Rule 8c for counsel appointment in a case where death may be a sentencing option.

[Nancy Grace]

When the photo of the shooter was released, disseminated to the public, the server at the restaurant was certain that was the same person that ate at the mom and Pop the night of the shootings. And it was immediately turned over to the FBI. The restaurant owner and two employees were questioned by federal agents. Digits of the credit card used to pay for this steak fest were handed over to the FBI. So a 31 year old married father of two gunned down dead at the Utah Valley University and he's having a steak dinner. Robinson now facing seven felony charges of aggravated murder, discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, obstruction of justice, two counts, witness tampering and commission of a violent offense, and the presence of a child. Robins behind bars awaiting trial. He could face the death penalty by firing squad if convicted. Utah is one of the five states to still allow the firing squad. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray side. Goodbye, friends.

[Randolph Rice]

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[Randolph Rice]

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