Charlie Kirk Suspect Caught, Mockers Face Repercussions | Crime Alert Recap Saturday 09.13.25

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Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: Charlie Kirk Suspect Caught, Mockers Face Repercussions | Crime Alert Recap Saturday 09.13.25
Date: September 13, 2025
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline
Host: Nancy Grace

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Episode Overview

This installment of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace delivers a gripping recap of recent high-profile crime stories, focusing prominently on the fatal shooting of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk during a campus event. The episode details the investigation breakthrough, swift identification and capture of the suspect, and the resulting nationwide repercussions for individuals who mocked Kirk’s death online. Additionally, the episode covers the harrowing escape of a captive teen in New Jersey, the ongoing parole saga of John Lennon’s killer, and a combustible neighbor dispute in Long Island that exploded into violence.

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Main Story: The Killing of Charlie Kirk

[00:00 – 04:18]

Incident Breakdown

• Event and Shooting:

  • Charlie Kirk was shot and killed during his “American Comeback Tour” event at Utah Valley University in front of approximately 3,000 attendees.
  • The shooting occurred while Kirk sat under a white gazebo; a single gunshot struck him in the neck.
  • The FBI released imagery of a person of interest: a slim white male, sunglasses, dark baseball cap, sweater with an American flag and eagle symbol.

• Suspect Identification and Arrest:

  • On Friday, President Trump announced 22-year-old Tyler Robinson had been identified as the shooter after being turned in by his own father.
  • Robinson's father reportedly contacted a family friend who then alerted authorities.
  • Family members told investigators Robinson had become increasingly political and expressed strong animosity toward Kirk.

• Evidence and Law Enforcement Findings:

  • Utah Governor Spencer Cox described the firearm found at the scene:

    "Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98, 3006 caliber...The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it."
    (Spencer Cox, 01:32)

  • Unique inscriptions were found on shell casings, including:

    • "hey, fascist! catch!"
    • "oh, bella chow, bella chow, bella chow, chow chow"
    • "if you read this, you are gay. Lmao."
    • Symbols like arrows and cryptic messages

  • Additional evidence: palm print, forearm imprints, and a footprint; surveillance video showed a figure running on a rooftop after the shooting.

• Prosecution & Sentencing:

  • Utah authorities announced their intention to seek the death penalty.

Repercussions for Online Mockery

• Firings and Public Backlash:

  • DC Comics canceled its “Just Relieved Red Hood” series after social media comments by author Grant catching Felker Martin, who reportedly posted (since deleted):

    "hope the bullet’s okay." (Attribution, 02:29)

  • Carolina Panthers’ communications coordinator Charlie Rock posted a video mocking Kirk’s death, leading to professional repercussions.
  • MSNBC analyst Matthew Dowd was dismissed after attributing hateful words to hateful actions; Dowd later apologized.
  • Universities including Ole Miss and Middle Tennessee State fired staff for related comments.
  • A private electrician closed his business after his wife’s celebratory video led to significant fallout.

• National Impact:

  • Kirk’s casket was flown from Utah to Phoenix aboard Air Force Two for funeral proceedings, attended by President Trump.

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Other Major Crime Stories

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New Jersey ‘House of Horrors’: Teen Escape and Rescue

[05:20 – 07:49]

• Criminal Case Facts:
  • Brenda Spencer (38) and Brandon Mosley (41) charged with years of abuse, captivity, and sexual assault of an 18-year-old girl and neglect of a 13-year-old.
  • The survivor escaped in May and described being locked in a dog crate, padlocked in a bathroom, and fed spaghetti from a bucket.
  • Prosecutors described the ordeal:

    "What this young woman survived was absolutely horrific... subjected to living in squalid, filthy conditions alongside numerous animals..."
    (Prosecutor Grace McCauley, 06:22)

  • Arrested in Camden County; both face potential decades in prison.
  • Direct quote from defense attorney (about plea offer):

    "I forgot it three seconds after I got told it. We're not even there at this point in time." (Spencer's attorney Terrell Ratliff, 05:56)

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Mark David Chapman Denied Parole (John Lennon’s Killer)

[07:49 – 10:56]

• Parole Refusal:
  • Mark David Chapman, Lennon’s murderer, denied parole for the 14th time; next opportunity in 2027.
• Chapman’s Remorse:
  • In a 2020 interview:

    "I assassinated him solely because he was immensely famous and I was seeking self glory…It was a selfish act...When you deliberately planned someone's murder, knowing it's wrong and doing it for your own glory, that deserves death." (Chapman, Parole interview, approx. 09:15)

• Yoko Ono’s Response:
  • In David Sheff’s “Yoko” biography, Ono wrote to the parole board:

    "To me he was the other half of the sky. Our love for each other was intense until the very end."
    (Yoko Ono, biography excerpt, 10:20)

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Violent Neighbor Dispute: Flare Gun Attack in Long Island

[10:56 – 13:57]

• Incident Details:
  • 76-year-old Kathleen Schuman shot neighbor Richard Cattrone with a flare gun during a heated pet dispute at a retirement community.
  • Cattrone describes Schuman’s demeanor post-shooting:

    "Kathleen showed no emotion. She claimed I was the devil...she said I'm sorry I missed." (Richard Cattrone, 11:28)

  • Flare grazed Cattrone’s cheek, requiring six stitches. Surveillance video captured the aftermath and confrontation.
• Legal Outcome:
  • Schuman charged with felony assault using an incendiary device; posted bail, ordered no contact, both parties treated for minor injuries.

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Most Notable Quotes

• On the Kirk Shooting Evidence:

  "Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel...Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, 'hey, fascist! catch!'... 'oh, bella chow, bella chow, chow chow'...and 'if you read this, you are gay. Lmao.'"
  (Gov. Spencer Cox, 01:32)

• On Victim Impact (John Lennon’s Widow):

  "To me he was the other half of the sky. Our love for each other was intense until the very end."
  (Yoko Ono, 10:20)

• On the Long Island Flare Gun Attack:

  "Kathleen showed no emotion. She claimed I was the devil...she said I'm sorry I missed."
  (Richard Cattrone, 11:28)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 04:18: Charlie Kirk Shooting, Suspect Capture & Social Media Fallout
• 05:20 – 07:49: NJ ‘House of Horrors’ Teen Victim Rescue
• 07:49 – 10:56: Mark David Chapman Parole Hearing (John Lennon case)
• 10:56 – 13:57: Long Island Flare Gun Neighbor Attack

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Episode Tone & Style

• Tone: Urgent, investigative, and empathetic—Nancy Grace’s team focuses on facts, compassion for victims, and holding perpetrators and enablers accountable.
• Style: Rapid-fire recap, direct quotations, vivid crime scene depictions, and clear legal updates.

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Summary

This Crime Stories episode offers a compelling, fast-paced digest of multiple crime headlines, with the main focus on the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination: the swift capture of the suspect, the chilling evidence, and the widespread consequences for those trivializing the act. Other stories deepen the episode’s impact, exploring the resilience of abuse survivors, the persistent pain from infamous crimes, and the unpredictability of violence in everyday life. Listeners receive not only facts, but raw emotional insights and moral reflections on crime and justice in America today.

Transcript

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Crime Alert Hourly Update Breaking crime news now. I'm Jackie Howard. The shooting death of conservative pundit Charlie Kirk has caused a ripple effect across the nation, from the initial horror of the act, to those mocking and celebrating his death on social media, to those individuals now facing repercussions of firings and more as a result. The shot was fired during a peaceful campus event, Kirk's American Comeback Tour. At Utah Valley University in Orem, he sat under a white gazebo before a crowd of about 3,000 people. A discussion began about transgender mass shooters when a single shot rang out. Kirk slumped in his chair with a clear, profusely bleeding wound to his neck. The FBI released images of a person of interest, a slim white man wearing sunglasses and a dark baseball cap and a dark sweater with a picture of an American flag with an eagle across on the front. On Friday, President Trump announced that Tyler Robinson, 22, was the shooter and was turned in by his father. Robinson's dad reached out to a family friend who then contacted authorities. A family member told investigators that Robinson had become more political in recent years and in conversations had said Charlie Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. During a press conference, Utah Governor Spencer Cox described the weapon and bullet casings found near the scene.

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Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98, 3006 caliber. 3006 caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read, notices, bulges, capital O, W O. What's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch, exclamation point. Up arrow, symbol, right arrow and symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read, oh, bella chow, bella chow, bella chow, chow chow. And a third unfired casing, red, if you read this, you are gay. Lmao.

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The FBI released videos appearing to show a dark figure running across the roof of a building in the aftermath. Evidence included a palm print and forearm imprints and footwear imprints, a footprint. Officials have said Utah will pursue the death penalty in the wake of the shooting. Repercussions have come for some who mocked or laughed at Kirk's murder. DC Comics canceled the Just Relieved Red Hood comic book series after author Grant catching Felker Martin's social media comments. In a now deleted post, Felker Martin allegedly wrote, hope the bullet's okay. Charlie Rock a communications coordinator for the Carolina Panthers, posted a video on his personal Instagram account of a Kirk speaking engagement, with the caption, why are y' all sad? Your man said it was worth it. It was paired with a screenshot of Wu Tang Clan song Protect Ya Neck. MSNBC political analyst Matthew Dowd lost his job after comments about hateful wor words leading to hateful actions. Dowd apologized, saying he didn't intend for his comments to blame Kirk for the attack. Both the University of Mississippi and Middle Tennessee State University have removed staff members after comments they made. And there's more. Even an electrician who had to close his business after his wife posted a video celebrating mocking Kirk's death. Charlie Kirk's casket was flown from Utah to Phoenix aboard Air Force Two for his funeral and burial. President Donald Trump has said he will attend. Tune in to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Monday for the latest in this evolving story. More crime and justice news after this.

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I'm Drew Nelson. A mother and her partner plead not guilty in a so called house of horrors in New Jersey where an 18 year old girl says she was held captive for years beaten and sexually abused. Brenda Spencer, age 38, and her partner Brandon Mosley, age 41, were arrested in Camden county on Monday. Prosecutors revealed plea offers of 50 years for Mosley and 25 for Spencer. Their lawyers rejected those offers, Spencer's attorney, Terrell Ratliff, saying, quote, I forgot it three seconds after I got told it. We're not even there at this point in time. As reported by NJ.com both defendants face kidnapping, assault and child endangerment charges, with Mosley also facing multiple counts of sexual assault. The case began in May when the teen escaped their Gloucester Township home and ran to a neighbor for help. She told investigators that she had been forced to live in a dog crate since 2018, had been padlocked in a bathroom at times and at other times kept in a bare room with only a bucket. Here is prosecutor Grace McCauley.

[E]

What this young woman survived was absolutely horrific. After speaking with the victim, our detective searched the residence and found that the victim was subjected to living in squalid, filthy conditions alongside numerous animals, dogs, chinchillas and other animals.

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Detectives also discovered that a 13 year old girl in the house had been pulled from school years earlier.

[E]

Homeschooling may be the right choice for many families. Unfortunately, it can be used by others as a means to hide abuse.

[D]

Neighbors said the older girl was rarely seen outside. The New York Times reported that when she finally reached a neighbor's home, her hair was shaved, her wrists had scars from handcuffs and she smelled foul. She spoke in bursts about being locked in the do crate, cuffed to a toilet and fed spaghetti from a bucket. Prosecutors later described the ordeal as, quote, beyond heinous. This one of the most despicable cases that I've ever run across. Police Chief David Harkins confirmed police had first met the girl at a Wawa convenience store after her escape, but she did not reveal everything. It was reported to us that it was a domestic violence type of situation. However, she did not want to disclose all this information. She did not disclose this information about Both teens are now safe. Spencer and Mosley remain jailed ahead of trial, where they will face decades in prison if convicted.

[F]

I'm Nicole Parton. Mark David Chapman has once again been denied parole, marking the 14th time this has occurred since he fatally shot John Lennon nearly 45 years ago outside of Lennon's home in New York city at age 70. Chapman participated in a parole board interview on August 27, but was not granted release from the Greenh Haven Correctional Facility in New York, as indicated by the New York Department of Corrections and Community Supervision's online records. According to the timeline, Chapman became eligible for parole in December 2000, two, decades after he murdered the 40 year old Lennon on December 8, 1980, as the musician returned to his apartment with his wife, Yoko Ono. Earlier that same day, Lennon had autographed a copy of his latest album, Double Fantasy for Chapman. Chapman has been incarcerate August 1981, convicted of second degree murder, and is serving a sentence of 20 years to life. His last appearance before the parole board was in March 2023. He has previously voiced remorse for his actions, declaring in a 2020 interview that he deserved the death penalty for his crime. I assassinated him solely because he was immensely famous and I was seeking self glory, he said. It was a selfish act. He referred to his actions as creepy and despicable, frequently reflecting on Ono, now 92, who chose not to remarry after Lennon's passing. I wish she could know that she understood her husband better than anyone else and knew the kind of man he was, which I did not, he reportedly expressed in an interview. I deserved nothing at the time of the warranted death penalty. When you deliberately planned someone's murder, knowing it's wrong and doing it for your own glory, that deserves death, he said. In David Sheff's biography Yoko, released in March, she described the letter she wrote to the board in 2000 as, quote, the hardest letter she's ever written. The biography highlighted that Ono's letter detailed her love for Lennon and his beliefs. To me he was the other half of the sky. Our love for each other was intense until the very end. The letter also addressed the impact of Lennon's death on their sons, Sean, 49, Julian, now 62, as well as Ono's own grief. Schiff noted that Ono expressed concern that Chapman's release could revive the, quote, nightmare, chaos and confusion that followed Lennon's murder and could lead to more violence. In a 2015 interview with the Daily Beast, Ono shared that she had never considered leaving the apartment that they shared with Sean as it held cherished memories of Lennon. It's extremely difficult for me to think about Chapman, she said, especially since he doesn't seem to believe he did anything wrong. My concern is that if he did get out, he would do it once again. Chapman's next parole hearing is scheduled for February 2027.

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I'm Jennifer Gould. A serene Long island retirement community was shattered by a flash of violence when a 76 year old woman allegedly shot her neighbor in the face with a flare gun during a bitter feud. The explosive showdown at Belmont Villa's senior apartments caught on chilling doorbell footage has left the 67 year old victim bloodied and his alleged assailant in cuffs. Victim Richard Cattrone spoke to NBC New York.

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Kathleen showed no emotion. She claimed I was the devil.

[D]

She claimed I tried to and she said I'm sorry I missed.

[G]

The chaos erupted around 5:45pm on the 400 block of Wyandanch Avenue in West Babylon, New York. Home surveillance video shows the victim, Richard, walking his dog when his neighbor Kathleen Schumann storms out of her apartment. Without hesitation, she brandishes a flare gun, aims and fires at close range. The flare ricochets off Catrone's cheek, sending him reeling in stunned agony. Listen. Didn't think I'd do it, huh?

[A]

Did you do what.

[D]

Idiot?

[A]

What the is wrong with you?

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Reacting swiftly, he drops his dog's leash, charges Schuman and knocks the weapon from her hand, grabbing her hair in a heated scuffle. Neighbors revealed the duo's bad blood was a long, simmering dispute over their pets. Schuman's cat reportedly riled up Catrone's dog. Cattrone admitted he had made complaints to management and that he even asked her to please keep the cat inside. One neighbor noted that Schuman had moved out temporarily and only returned a week before the fiery ordeal. Police arrested Schuman shortly after the incident. Cottrone's blood was still visible on the walkway outside their apartment when officials arrived. Schuman was charged with second degree assault with an incendiary device, a felony. She pleaded not guilty at her arraignment, with bail set at $5,000 cash or a $30,000 bond. A judge issued a no contact order and ordered her to stay away from Catrone. Both were treated for non life threatening injuries, with Catrone requiring six stitches in his face. Conifer LLC manages Belmont Villas, which is marketed as a quiet, gated apartment complex for residents 55 years and older. They called it a quote unquote isolated incident and say they are cooperating with police. For the latest crime and justice news, follow the Crime Alert hourly update on your favorite podcast app and watch Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Fox One and YouTube. With this crime Alert, I'm Jennifer Gould.

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