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Her body was in a dead advanced state of decomposure. It's not just a car. This is a car containing his girlfriend's allegedly dead dismembered body. As we go to air Tonight, David Burke, aka the artist known as David but spelled D4VD. Okay, whatever. Remains radio silent as the murder investigation into the little teen girl found in his Tesla trunk boils over. Joining me, an all star panel to make sense of what we are learning tonight. But first, a new theory rocking online sleuths and beyond the theory that there is a body double being used. Let me explain the theory. Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of Killer Genes and author of a book the Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, the working theory is that don't poo poo it. Melissa McCarty joining us. What is the body double theory? What's the story, Melissa? Nancy, definitely plausible. I've seen similar elaborate coverups in other cases. Now the sleuthing is they are pretty much stripping everything he's ever done online. And one of the things not only the to Celeste theory, but is he using a body double? Are there images of her surfacing online to make it seem as though she was alive and messing up the timeline? You know, these are conspiracy theories but they are plausible at the same time. So it's something that the LAPD is going to have to continue to investigate. But it's confusing for the mass to follow with all the new tidbits coming about from the sleuthing. Joining me now is Steve Fisher, missing persons private investigator, search and rescue specialist and owner of search investigations. Steve, thank you for being with us. Number one, a lot happening in the case. The case boiling over. I wonder why D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke has remained totally silent. He's on social, don't worry about that. He's busy deleting negative comments. So I know he's alive and well, but he's saying nothing about the disappearance and death of this little girl, Celeste, found in his trunk. I wonder what his father, the lawyer, has to do with that. If anything, his decision to remain silent as it relates to Celeste. But this new theory, it has spreading like wildfire that there is a body double Celeste. These many of these are posted by him. These are not the same girl. It's not her. But yet it's posted all over his Internet social postings. She has been spotted at various functions. What do you make of it? Yeah, they look remarkably alike. And like you said, she has shown up at, you know, there's been backstage, concert photos of her and, you know, just you being tagged as Celeste. And I believe that girl's 22 years old. So whether it's deliberate or not, I can't say, but it's definitely, you know, interesting that. Put him up, please. Okay. Steve Fisher, I don't rely on crystal balls to prove a case. I don't expect you to guess or surmise. Read the tea leaves. What I'm saying point blank is it's been done before. And before we discount anything, it needs to be proven or disproven. The theory is that knowing Celeste is gone, she's dead, and his Tesla, she's not reported missing, the car is not reported stolen or missing. Why? And then a Celeste body double look alike starts appearing on his feed, on his social, and even at events. It's not Celeste, but it looks like Celeste during this critical time period. It's not a leap of faith to, to surmise it is intentional. Can you, can you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I agree with you. Although I will say that that girl did show up in some images, even, you know, back in 2024, but they were a lot more prominent in 2025. And so, yeah, I think that this could be a reason to explain, you know, or for people not to be looking for the other, you know, Celeste. But they look remarkably alike. Is that what's happening here? We don't know. David Anthony Burke, aka David, aka D4VD, is presumed innocent under the law. He will be innocent. He is innocent, right now until the presumption of innocence is pierced and overcome by evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he is in fact, guilty. Now I want to move on to this. Take a look at Celeste's little middle school boyfriend. She said how her mom didn't treat her well or whatever, and she didn't like where she was at. We were at PE and she told me, my friend, that she was running away. And she said it was because of her parents. And she was like joking about it and she was like, happy, like, joking like she always was. And like, it didn't seem real because, like, she was like playing around joking about it. And the next day she wasn't at school. And like, that's the last time I saw her. My heart dropped. I was like, I don't know, I just couldn't believe it. I thought. I mean, I kind of had a feeling when I saw like the first thing. I was like, what if it is her? I just like brushed it off. But when I saw it really was her, I was like, damn, I really knew. That's reference over at tmz. That's Celeste Rivas little middle school boyfriend describing how years in the making, she had trouble at home. A very difficult home life. And it brings to mind a beautiful little girl, Madeline Soto, Maddie Soto, who had told friends as soon as she was 13, she was running away from home and living in the woods. And I couldn't help wonder, why would a little girl want to run away from home and live in the woods? Then I found out mommy's boyfriend, Stephan Stearns had been molesting her and taking videos of the molestation for years, back as early as when she was nine years old. No wonder she wanted to run away and live in the woods. Why did Celeste Rivas continue to run away from home? How did everybody know that there was trouble at home? As a matter of fact, on this occasion that she ran away from home, her sister went looking for her, even poking her head, the sister into a liquor store asking if they could look at the surveillance video and see if Celeste had walked by. And sure enough, Celeste was caught on video cam on the incident when she ran away from home. To Dave Mack, crime Stories investigative reporter, what happened in that. That instance? You know, in that instance, Nancy, we actually can see that Celeste is kind of doing a walk run. Hey, Dave, look, look. Look at your monitor. We're showing the video the sister got from the store, and there she is literally running away from home. Let me be clear. Celeste was not in the liquor store. The surveillance video showed her going by this little girl running away from home. And I gotta ask why in this video from our friend Harvey Levin at tmz. Now, what were you saying? Dave Mack I just wanted you to see the video. I just wanted to point out that, you know, that video was at 7am that's when it was taken at a time when children would normally be going to school. But instead, Celeste is clearly kind of in a confused state. If you watch her stride, she's partially walking, partially running. It's like she's not quite sure what she's going to do. But she, that's the last they see ever. She takes off. And it's a fascinating read into the 13 year old that is trying to figure out what to do. And as you just pointed out, Nancy, this is a child who spoke about being unhappy at home, not being treated well at home and wanting to be away. And when I see her walking and stopping kind of and then running, it just breaks my heart to think of that child not knowing where to go, who she is or what she should be doing. She's been gone over a year with him. She had been living with this grown man and now she's dead. Celeste is found dead in the trunk of his Tesla. We were just showing you video obtained from a liquor store. Imagine this, Celeste, a little girl's sister, also a little girl, goes looking for her sister, asking stores and homes along the way if they had seen her sister. Even a young girl going in a liquor store asking if they had seen Celeste and could she look at the surveillance video. This is from our friend Harvey levin over at TMZ. And here is Celeste, 7am running away from home. Now I'm certainly not the church lady, but I can tell you this. You need to know where your 12 year old daughter is at 7am I think we can all agree with that. I'm very, very curious too. Jeffrey Gentry joining us, crime scene analyst and death investigator. Jeffrey, how many little girls are snatched up once they become runaways? Every year it's, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands. Can you imagine parents not knowing where their daughter is at 7am it is way too many and the stats on that are very disturbing. But you know, that doesn't happen in homes. So like for example, I've got three teenagers at home and I know exactly where they're at at all times. I have apps in them. I know I've got phones that I can contact them on at all times. So that is very abnormal. And you got to look into the home life as well as the circumstances going around this case. Just to figure out why in the world is this girl out and able to run away? How is this girl able to establish a relationship with an older man? So those are all very disturbing facts that need to be looked into. Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter and host. Listen. A friend of Celeste's mother, Mercedes Martinez, says the family was aware of the relationship with Burke. She doesn't know why they didn't ask where she had been staying. Celeste left again and went back to him. Someone called Celeste's mother and said, stop looking for her. She's fine. Take down social media posts about Celeste being missing. She felt scared and took down a social media post asking for help finding Celeste. I mean, Melissa, somebody calls me and tells me, don't look for Lucy. Take down the social media post. The first thing I would do would be star 69 their bony rear end and find out who was calling me, threatening me to. To take down social postings about my missing daughter, number one. But that person was never reported to police, and they apparently took down the social media postings and quit looking. What happened? First of all, that's a very haunting call to receive, But I think it really goes into the backstory of Celeste and what was happening in her home. It's clear there were a lot of issues either within the family dynamic or even the environment where she was living. For her to come and go seemingly as she pleased. At this point, I think they were just used to her leaving. And, you know, they also do seem like a proactive family trying to find her whereabouts. But then they didn't have any. Melissa McCarty, I like you. I really do. Do you have children? I do not. Well, you will one day. If you're as 14 as I am, I will say this. Those teen years, 12 to 15, they are rough. I think any parents and any teen would admit to that. Those are rough years in the home environment, the social environment. What you're saying right now, and I don't care. Please mute her. I don't care how rough they are. When your daughter goes missing, you find her. You find her. You do not allow your child to go as they please. Like you just said, no in. Oh, what? I don't even know what you're saying. I'm concerned. Did you follow me? Are you okay? I think there's a backstory of her leaving home for a long year, a period of time where at one point there's only so much a family can do if they made all of those calls to police and nothing came of it, she would continue to run away from home. They made all of those calls to call. Okay, you know what, Melissa, I'm going to let you rest for a few moments and I'm going to go to a specialist who finds missing people. Okay? See, Fisher, you do not let a child go as they please. Now, when they become 18 or they move out of your home as an adult, then you can't stop them. They will go and come as they please. And the same reason that you have to watch over them is the reason they can't buy liquor, they can't buy alcohol, they can't enter into a contract, they can't go tell somebody, yeah, I want to buy your car. Minors cannot negotiate contracts. Why? Because they don't have the wherewithal, the maturity to do that. So even if I sell a miner my Lamborghini and then guess what, they don't pay the car note and then they wreck it. I can't sue them because I entered a contract with a minor. So when you hear Melissa McCarty state. Well, you know, a lot of parents let their children come and go as they please. No, they don't. And what more could they do? Well, they could hire a P.I. they could continue to call police. They could put up the social media postings. They could go out and look for her the moment knew she was dating a guy named David. She's all over social media. I can see her. Can't they? Can't they see she is with D4VD, aka Burke. Yeah, that's what you do. You don't give up. Play dead. Roll over. No, I mean, could you school McCarty on what you do when your child goes missing? Yeah. So Celeste was just failed on so many levels when it comes to this. And I'll tell you, I have talked about directly with people in that neighborhood that were helping to search for Celeste and were told by family members to lay off because she was with a quote unquote family member in Los Angeles and everything was okay. Okay. This is bringing to mind other cases. Let's talk about R. Kelly. R. Kelly, who would gift his victims and their families expensive gifts, money so he could basically keep these young girls as sex slaves. Then we've got Michael Jackson. Family after family after family thought it was just perfectly fine for their child to go sleep with Michael Jackson. Okay. Dr. Bethany Marshall. I know a lot of people think Jackson's innocent. I get that. I don't want to believe he was a child molester. Either because he was the one of the most incredible music talents that ever lived. That said he was a child molester there. So how do families get hoodwinked into thinking it's okay for their child to be with an adult male? Nancy? I think they get swayed by the celebrity. They're not protective. They don't understand that they have a legal duty to their children. Reminds me of a dad in my practice once got into an argument with his 16 year old, told the 16 year old in session, if you don't comply, I'm going to kick you out of the house. And I said, if you kick him out of the house, I'm going to call child protective services. Because you are his legal guardian, you have a duty to put a roof over his head, to nurture him, to make sure there's food in his belly, that he's going to school. You do not let a 16 year old, 15 year old, 14 year old come and go as they please. All is forgiven. Melissa. But does FYI to the world at large, no parenting advice from Melissa McCarty who thinks children can come and go as they please? Yeah, no, Nancy. But to my point, we really don't know what was happening in her home. Life inside the home. Okay? I need you to tell me things I don't already know. That's why I have you. Okay? I know something was wrong. Even a little middle school boyfriend. You want me to play that again? Said something was wrong in the home. She was very upset, she was very sad. She thought her mother was very mean to her and she wanted to run away. So far, neither of my children have run away or even said the words run away. Not yet. Okay. Now I'm not giving myself a gold star, but I can tell you this much. If one of them disappeared, all hell would break loose and I would not be sitting on my rear end watching reruns on TV while my son or daughter were unaccounted for. You darn right. However, there were 11 calls to police. We don't know the context of those calls or who were calling. Was it Celeste? Was it the parents? I think this is a family that was trying. They were proactive at one point. You don't know what the cut calls were about, do you? Because they took down the social media posts and they quit looking, according to neighbors. And by the way, I've looked up up and researched what you said. And yes, police were at the home multiple times. Deputies were there several times the day that the little sister got the video of Celeste running down the street at 7am do you even have a pet, McCarty? Do you have a cat or a dog, a snake, a frog and anything, a lizard, anything. Do you have a pet? I do. Two rescue dogs. So far so good. Put her still alive. Do you know where your rescue dogs are right now? I bet you do, don't you? Where are they? I do. At all times I do. So you think it's okay to know where your dog is but that children. You know the human. Well, the human. Here's the thing, Nancy. I let them go and come as they please. But no, no. However, I've worked with a lot of troubled teens and not saying that she was, but there are some circumstances where a family can try so hard to do everything that they have the capacity and the tools to do and it's still not enough. There's overriding factors such as this wealthy. I think I know one of those. They laid down, rolled over and played dead and I could put that in a lot of different ways but they wouldn't be fit for the air. You're seeing that video of her running down the street at 7am I can tell you this much. I know where my children are at 7am you ever heard of life? 360. Even when I'm not with them, I know where they are because there's no way they're going to be separated from their cell phone. That video from our friends at TMZ. Time for a sofa upgrade. Visit washablesofas.com and discover Annabe where designer style meets budget friendly prices. With sofas starting at $699, Anabe brings you the ultimate in furniture innovation with a modular design that allows you to rearrange your space effortlessly. Perfect for both small and large spaces, Anabe is the only machine washable sofa inside and out. Say goodbye to stains and messes with liquid and stain resistant fabrics that make cleaning easy. Liquid simply slides right off. Designed for custom comfort, our high resilience foam lets you choose between a sink and feel or a supportive machine. Memory foam blend plus our pet friendly stain resistant fabrics ensure your sofa stays beautiful for years. Don't compromise quality for price. Visit washablesofas.com to upgrade your living space today with no risk returns and a 30 day money back guarantee. Get up to 60% off plus free shipping and free returns. Shop now at washablesofas.com Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Very expensive items were seen on Celeste that her parents did not give her and she certainly did not buy herself, for instance, a very expensive purse and a diamond ring. Let's take a look. Now, what about it, Dr. Bethany? Where did she get those? Well, that's a Louis Vuitton purse. That looks like a one, one and a half carat diamond. She certainly didn't go get a job and buy them herself. What. What girl is given gifts like that if not that somebody's trying to have power over her? And also, we saw this with Cassie Ventura. The gifts were given, Taken away. Given, taken away. So we don't know that those gifts were permanently under her possession either. I've had women in my practice who are abused whose husband buys husbands, buy them expensive purses, but will not allow them access to cash. And when I say to the husbands, you know, she. She needs to go to the grocery store, she needs the shop, he goes, well, I gave her purses. So. Purses here in Southern California are a very common thing for men to give to women, to have control over them. The conspiracy theorists. Online sleuthing has exploded literally dozens and dozens of theories. How do you know that this isn't somebody setting up David? Why. Why would anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talk. This model sends a notification to cell phone whenever the front. The front trunk is open for more than 10 minutes. If someone was loading Celeste's body into the car and it took more than 10 minutes, Burke could have received a notification. And this notification could be found on his phone by law enforcement. The Tesla model Y belong Burke. David Anthony Burke, the artist known as David. It looks like D4VD. Joining me now, Scott Eicher, who has actually performed experiments with a Tesla. Founding member, FBI cellular analysis survey team. Former police officer, homicide detective with Norfolk, Virginia. Currently precision cellular analysis. Scott, thank you for being with us. Explain what you learned about this Tesla other than the fact that if the trunk is open over 10 minutes, an alert is sent by text or email to the owner. Yeah, and the Tesla, as we have talked about before, has numerous cameras on it so that you get these alerts when the trunk is open, or the front trunk, they call it the frunk. And. And there's a small area in front of. In the. In the front of the car there in the front that you can put baggages or groceries. That's what I use it for. But in this. In this case, you know, her body was found inside the trunk of this. Of the Tesla. It's a very small area, and you can see some of the pictures. Is my daughter here? Who is that? That's your reenact. Okay. Yes. Yes, ma'. Am. That's my daughter. She's about a hundred pounds, so it's pretty tight in there for her. But as if it, you know, if the victim in this case with Celeste, you know, she's already deceased. They're more foldable and bendable at that point in time. Scott Iker, how tall is your daughter? Five to 100 pounds. Okay. That's generally the same size as Celeste, generally speaking. Let's see that shot again. We also know that Celeste's body was in a bag, which that's a whole nother can of worms for Jeffrey Gentry, our blood pattern analyst. But back to Scott Eichert, regarding the Tesla. Celeste was dismembered. Okay. Which means that although we don't know the specifics of the dismemberment yet, that could have made it much easy, made it much easier to put her body in the trunk since she was dismembered. What were you saying about the degree of rigor or livor mortis? What were you saying about that? Yeah, as I said, she's. As she's. If she's dead, she's more foldable or manipulable body. So could fit into that small area of the trunk of the Tesla. And there's numerous cameras all around that. Scott Eicher, I'm curious about that USB that goes into the Tesla that does all the recording and the recordings are stored on the usb. Would the car start if someone had removed the usb? Yes, it will. It will start and it's just not going to save any of the data, the recordings from the cameras. The USB is really just there to save the pictures and the recordings. Also, Scott, it's almost a 360 degree video of the surroundings of the car. What all would the cameras catch? They catch numerous aspects, front, back and side views of the camera. And this is me reenacting bringing a bag to the. To the front of the car, opening the hood, placing that bag into that front area, that little space that we saw earlier, and then showing, as you can see, that's the dash camera in front of the car and right by the mirror, and it's facing right down the front of the car. So anybody coming to the front of that car will get viewed pretty clearly, as you can see. And then there's cameras on each side of the car and the rear of the car, too. Melissa, how many days passed from. Let's just go with the last time she was sighted in August to the day that her body Was discovered. I believe it was about 11 days. 11 days, okay. Dr. Kendall Crowns is joining me, Chief medical examiner, Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett school of Medicine at tcu, and he is now the star of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the morgue. Dr. Crowns, how would rigor mortis or liever mortis affect the foldability of Celeste's body? And how can we tell by looking at the body what instrument was used to dismember her? All right, so let's start with rigor mortis. Rigor mortis is basically the stiffening of the body after death. It usually sets in within a couple of hours, up to six hours after death lasts about a day or two before it disappears. So when it initially sets in, the body is very stiff and it can make it very hard to bend the body. But if you force it enough, you can still bend the arms and legs and even fold the person in half. And once you break the rigor, it can't set back in. So will it make it difficult to put her in? Slow down, slow down, Dr. Kendall crowns. You're speaking to mere mortals like myself. We're not all medical geniuses. You just said something about. I can't even repeat what you said, but I can ask a question. Isn't it true that after a period of hours rigor, where you stiffen like a board, it's like cracking a two by four in half to fold a body, like the legs or the arms that are in rigor. After a period of hours, rigor dissipates and the body again becomes malleable. Isn't that true? Yeah. After about a day or two, the rigor will actually disappear. Starts in the small muscles first and goes to the larger ones. So it only lasts about a day or two before it's gone. But you can break the rigor by pushing on the arms or the extremities and folding them along the joint spaces. You're able to still break the rigor. And you can fold a person into a suitcase or a trunk or whatever if you need to. Dr. Kendall crowns. How long does it take? What's the body? What's the person's keel? For rigor to set in about two to six hours. It starts in the smaller muscles first, like your jaw muscles, and then spreads to the larger muscles at the end. Okay, so you know what that says to me? Dr. Kimball crowns. I think that whoever dismembered her did it very quickly after she was killed, before rigor had Set in. And again. Dr. Kendall crowns. How can we look at her body? Of course it will be microscopic in a microscopic investigation to look at the actual tissue. Let's just pretend that the body was severed at the knee. Let's just pretend you take the severed limb and you put it under a microscope at the point of severity, severance, and you look at those microscopic cells of the leg. Then you look at the bone. How can you determine what type of tool was used to sever this child's body? So what you can do is if they used a saw or something along those lines, the saw has the little teeth in it. They will actually leave kind of hash marks in the bone as they're sawing through the bone that can be looked at and then be used as a comparison back to what is the alleged instrument used to dismember the body. So you can do a basically a comparison analysis of the marks on the bones compared back to the instrument that was used to do the dismembering. A tissue itself, the tissue tearing, all that. There is no way to really look at that and know if it was a saw or not. But you can kind of get an idea of how rough the tissue looks is. Did they use a knife? Because the wounds will be cleaner than if they used a saw, which will be more ragged. But it is actually the bones themselves. When you look at those, you can kind of get an idea of the tool and actually do a tool mark comparison with the bones to the actual tool. Law enforcement saying it's very likely her body was in Burke's Tesla for several weeks. The remains were severely decomposed, dismembered and found wrapped in a bag. There has been no comment about how the body was dismembered, no indication if a knife, saw, axe or anything else was used. But whatever was used to dismember the teen, there will be tool marks left behind. 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Get up to 60% off plus free shipping and free returns. Shop now at Wash. Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply. Crime stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air tonight, David Anthony Burke, aka David, aka D4VD, who by the way, his music is through the roof on Spotify. Amazing the irony. That said, he is radio silent, although we are learning he's going on social media and monitoring Reddit users. Everybody posting about Celeste's murder and he is trying to control the narrative as it relates to him. So he's not totally quiet. He can go online and do that but not mention a word of condolence. Speaking of remaining silent, did he not notice Celeste wasn't there? Did nobody say, hey, where's Celeste? Apparently not because she was never reported missing by either him or her parents. Yeah, digest that for a minute. Nor was his car reported stolen. Interesting, right? That's called circumstantial evidence. And again, Burke is innocent. As we go to air tonight, but still no word from Burke. Again, radio silent. I want to circle back to Scott Eicher joining us. Forensics expert Eicher, I want to see the video of you again carrying the bag to the Tesla in which you performed multiple experiments. The bag. The bag. I want to go to Jeffrey Gentry joining us. Forensic certified bloodstained pattern analyst, senior crime scene analyst and death investigator, author of Forensic Science Applications to Death and Crime Scene Investigations, author of Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, author of Death Investigations Information to obtain during a Forensic death investigation. Can we talk one moment, Gentry, about my beloved trash bags. Oh, how I love them. Why? Because they're so easy to lift prints from. Explain. They are very easy to lift prints if you know what you're doing. You can use super glue techniques where you can put the bag in a controlled environment. There are multiple different enhancement techniques where you can actually get usable fingerprints from plastic bags and you might even want to consider obtaining DNA from these bags as well. So you might be able to figure out who was handling the bags either before they were filled with body parts or during the process or when they were being put inside of the vehicle. Veteran defense attorney Joanna Nieves joining us from this jurisdiction. Joanna, I guess you would argue with a straight face that, hey, if his Fingerprints are on that bag. That means that nothing. This bag was probably from his home. Oh, it would be with a straight face. Because I think we need a lot more before we can tie him to this act. First of all, we haven't even established the manner of death or the time of death, and so we don't know if an actual murder was committed. Could this. Could this be a situation where there's this alternate theory where maybe she's engaged in some drug activity, ODs, passes, you know, fall dead in front of someone, maybe not even David, and they panic, and of course, in maybe their stupor, they, with lacking judgment, decide to get rid of the body and. And dismember it. Not the best decision, but it could have been a panic state. And I think that's why right now, nobody has been named yet as the primary suspect in this, because we have to establish what actually happened to her first, and then we can get to. Now we don't know whose fingerprints were on the back. No, we don't. I don't know why you're saying that. Put her up. Let me jog your memory, refresh your recollection, as we say in court, with a little photo. Do you recognize this person? Do you recognize her? Joanna Nieves. That's Lacy Peterson. Her body, along with the body of her little boy, her unborn child, Connor, washed up on the shore of San Francisco Bay near the marina where her husband was fishing on Christmas Eve. We never got a COD on her, did we? But yet there was a murder conviction. Let's try another photo. Look at this person. Do you recognize her? Her name is Suzanne Morphew. Joanna Nieves. We don't have her COD either. Her bones were buried miles and miles and miles away from home. But her bike was found not too far from her home, her helmet in another area. Her husband suggested a wild animal did at a mountain lion. Okay, here's another photo. Do you recognize this woman? Her name is Anna Walsh. Her body's never been found, but all of those cases are going forward. Joanna Nieves. Just because you can get rid of a COD Cause of death does not mean you're walking free. Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans, and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter, who, I can assure you, knows where her dogs are at this hour. Melissa, tell me about the search of D4VD's mansion. Right, so the house in the Hollywood Hills, it was. It was leased under his manager's name, but we. We know that lapd, during the investigation, they Issued a search warrant. They were taking out electronics and looking for blood traces, anything that could piece together some kind of forensic connection between the two of those. Did a homicide take place in the house? Was it location number one, location number two? But they did go search the house. What they found, it's not been revealed yet. This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. Jeffrey Gentry, following up on what Melissa McCarty just stated. She said they were looking for blood evidence. What specifically were they looking for and how would luminol play into that? Luminol is a chemical that can be used to detect blood that's not visible with the naked eye. So I've used it in many cases, and it's on areas that are either dark or areas that have been cleaned up. So if I were in that home looking, I would search in areas where I think a body has been dismembered. And keep in mind that when you're dismembering a body, if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to make a mess for sure. So I would be looking in areas like bathrooms. I would be looking outside, like on patios. I'd be looking in garages. And you spray this chemical and under dark conditions, it will light up. So it's going to tell you where that dismemberment occurred, if it was inside the house or on the back patio. It's a very useful technique. And then after you've sprayed this chemical, if you're using the right one, you can actually swab it for DNA to confirm that there was blood there at one point. Because keep in mind, after several days, weeks, that stuff is going to get cleaned up. And if somebody does a good job, it's not going to be really visible with the naked eye. But this chemical is perfect for enhancing blood stains so that you can see them, document them, and then collect DNA. Gentry, you know what I love? Cast off. And when I say cast off, I mean, for instance, if you stab someone and sling back blood, minute particles are cast off of your weapon and will hit the wall or the ceiling or we don't know where. And when looking for blood at a crime scene, not only do you use aluminol, as Jeffrey Jesry accurately described, you look for blood in very odd places, like on the ceiling, at the tops of the walls, places where you would not find Celeste's blood normally. Like if she cut her leg shaving in the tub, you would expect to find blood there, but not on the ceiling and not at the tops of the walls, not on the curtains. And the type of blood matters. Is it a dot? You look at the way it runs. Is it running large here and then trails off here, which will tell you the direction in which it was cast off. Just. It's an art. It's a science and an art. And I just pray they get all that evidence, if there is any, before the home is professionally cleaned or repainted. If you know or you think you know anything about this case, have you been called in as a professional cleaner? Have you been called in to David Burke's mansion to repaint, to strip up carpet, please dial this number. 213-486-6890. Repeat, 213-486-6890. We remember an American hero, Detective Isaiah Immanizer, Northern York County Regional Police, Pennsylvania. Shot in the line of duty after 20 years of service, leaving behind grieving wife Lona and two beautiful children. American hero, Detective Isaiah Immanizer, Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart podcast.