DEAD, MISSING SPACE SCIENTISTS MYSTERY RAGING UNSOLVED

Summary

Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: DEAD, MISSING SPACE SCIENTISTS MYSTERY RAGING UNSOLVED

Release Date: July 11, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

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Overview

In this compelling episode, Nancy Grace investigates the mysterious fates of U.S. space scientists and military contractors who have turned up dead, disappeared without a trace, or suffered highly suspicious accidents. These individuals share connections to top-secret propulsion, anti-gravity, and advanced weapons technology, often working for or with federal agencies such as the Air Force Research Lab (AFRL), NASA, and Los Alamos National Laboratory. The episode brings together an all-star panel of crime reporters, intelligence experts, and family members to dissect mounting evidence and alarming patterns pointing to foul play, espionage, and potential cover-ups.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Growing Body Count and Pattern Recognition

[00:37] Nancy Grace, [00:24] Glenn Ann Johnson, [07:02] Nancy Grace

• Seventeen (later possibly eighteen) U.S. scientists with high-level security clearance are now dead or missing.
• Patterns: Disappearances or deaths often follow similar patterns—sudden vanishing, leaving behind phones/wallets/ID, sometimes with evidence wiped.
• Dave Mack: "When things happen once, it's an anomaly. When it happens three times, now you have a trend." [00:28]
• Lauren Conlon and Nancy Grace emphasize the cases cross state lines (Alabama, New Mexico, California), and often link back to top-secret research.

2. Case Studies: Notable Victims and Circumstances

a. General William Neil McCasland (AFRL Head, UFO Research Oversight)

[00:59] Dave Mack, [24:53] Lauren Conlon

• Disappeared in Albuquerque, NM, under strange circumstances; left home on foot, ID and device-free. Air Force sweatshirt found two miles from home.
• Controlled massive research budgets ($2.2 billion) for advanced propulsion.
• Received funding requests from several other missing/dead scientists.
• Last known photo only released after FOIA request; FBI involved but secretive.
• Lauren Conlon: “He oversaw 80% of the Pentagon's black ops project. ... There are certain things that don't add up.” [24:53]

b. Melissa Casillas (Los Alamos Administrator)

[03:36] Dave Mack, [28:59] Nancy Grace

• Skeletal remains found propped against a tree, pristine, with no bullet or typical animal activity at the scene, raising questions about suicide theory.
• Her phone was wiped clean; items like medication and a toothbrush missing.
• Husband: "She didn't take nothing. ... Her phones were left behind and they'd been reset to factory." [00:20], [33:15]
• Cassias had reported threats and harassment before her disappearance.

c. Joshua LeBlanc (Jet Propulsion Scientist)

[07:02] Nancy Grace, [08:02] Stephanie Hurlo

• Left home without wallet or phone; incinerated in Tesla crash.
• Worked with high security clearance in Huntsville, AL.
• Three days to positively ID remains with dental records—potentially quick, but family suspicious.

d. Amy Eskridge (Anti-Gravity Specialist)

[10:37] Amy Eskridge, [12:34] Amy Eskridge, [18:26] Nancy Grace

• Warned if found dead, it would not be suicide. Endured car tampering, hacking, directed energy attacks.
• "If I am found dead, I did not and would never commit suicide." [09:49] Frank Milburn
• Documented harassing and damaging directed energy attacks (red, burned hands).
• Espionage and hacking concerns tied to professional rivals and possibly foreign actors.

e. Monica Jacinta Reza (Propulsion Scientist, NASA JPL)

[20:25] Nancy Grace, [21:00] Lauren Conlon

• Vanished on hike in LA National Forest; last seen by a companion, red beanie found but scent trail stopped.
• Sponsored by and received funding from AFRL overseen by McCasland.
• Family adamant she was not involved with foreign intelligence.

f. Dr. Ning Li (Anti-Gravity Physicist)

[49:38] Nancy Grace, [50:38] Stephanie Hurlo

• Disappeared; later found with critical injuries, eventually died after being hit in a crosswalk under suspicious circumstances.
• Had previously gone "dark" after government contracted her research.

g. Ingrid Lane (Neuroscientist)

[53:25] Lauren Conlon

• Went missing after "boulder attack" on car; car found but not her body. Multiple laptops and a burner phone in vehicle; ties to Los Alamos and Mind Research Network.

h. Aidan Schaefer, Anthony Chavez, Steven Garcia, and Others

[40:22] Georgia Bradburn, [42:17] Nancy Grace

• All studied or worked in alternative propulsion or sensitive military technologies.
• Some complained of phone tapping, surveillance, or harassment prior to vanishing.

3. Harassment, Espionage, and Directed Energy Weapons

• Multiple scientists (Amy Eskridge, Glenn Ann Johnson) described being targeted with so-called "directed energy weapons," resulting in physical burns, psychological distress.
• Glenn Ann Johnson: “I think they were lured away from their home by the directed energy weapons.” [37:16]
• Whistleblowers and colleagues frequently describe interference, intimidation, and their cases being chalked up to mental illness.

4. Official Responses—Or Lack Thereof

[24:04] Lauren Conlon, [36:06] Glenn Ann Johnson

• Lauren Conlon reports stonewalling and “crickets” from D.C. and defense agencies.
• Theorizing a covert intelligence “Moscow rules” scenario: tit-for-tat abductions, suspected kidnappings and murders disguised as suicides (espionage angle).
• John Nance (FBI): "It would not be out of the realm of possibility that China or Russia... would kidnap one of our scientists and try to extract information out of them or turn them into a double agent." [42:40]

5. The Espionage Angle

• Repeat concerns about foreign intelligence (notably China and Russia) targeting U.S. scientists.
• Chris Swecker (FBI): “The only way you can get out of it is to take your own life.” [44:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It's BS when things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when it happens three times now, you have a trend."
  — Dave Mack [00:28]

• "If I am found dead, I did not and would never commit suicide."
  — Amy Eskridge (via Frank Milburn) [09:49]

• "Her phones were left behind and they'd been reset to factory. And then she just vanishes right into thin air."
  — Dave Mack on Melissa Casillas [04:40]

• "They're trying to gaslight me too. So, you know, this is actually disgusting behavior, talking very, very badly about a deceased dead lady who can't defend herself. But that's why I'm here to defend her."
  — Glenn Ann Johnson [15:21]

• "Directed energy weapons are about harming and harassing people, but they're also sometimes surveillance mechanisms..."
  — Amy Eskridge [16:31]

• "I think they're being maybe kidnapped and then interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making some of them look like suicide so that it's more deniable and it won't have a full investigation."
  — Glenn Ann Johnson [36:06]

• "You had 14 rabbis, 14 preachers, 14 used car salesmen disappeared. You'd be asking questions."
  — Nancy Grace [24:12]

• "You can't overstate how, how aggressive and proactive, especially China is in trying to gather up and steal our technology."
  — John Nance [44:02]

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Important Timestamps for Deep Dives

• 00:16 - 00:59: Panel quickly hashes out the "fishy"/suspicious nature of these cases.
• 03:36 - 07:02: Dave Mack details missing scientist cases (McCasland, Chavez, Casillas).
• 07:02 - 09:49: Joshua LeBlanc’s mysterious death; issues with the suicide narrative.
• 10:37 - 13:29: Amy Eskridge audio about harassment, hacking, and threats.
• 16:31 - 18:26: Amy's documentation of directed energy attacks.
• 20:25 - 23:20: Monica Jacinta Reza’s disappearance and ties to McCasland.
• 24:53 - 27:51: Lauren Conlon’s investigation of McCasland and the FBI involvement.
• 28:59 - 32:14: Critique of suicide theories in the case of Melissa Casillas.
• 33:15 - 34:44: Husband’s emotional 911 call; missing personal effects and unusual phone behavior.
• 36:06 - 37:44: Glenn Ann Johnson lays out the “Moscow rules”/espionage theory.
• 40:22 - 41:32: Georgia Bradburn on Aidan Schaefer and field effect propulsion.
• 42:40 - 45:26: FBI experts on foreign intelligence threats and the significance of scientist targeting.
• 49:38 - 52:05: The life, mysterious disappearance, and suspicious death of Dr. Ning Li.
• 53:25 - 55:53: Ingrid Lane’s case and the “boulder attack” mystery.
• 57:35 - 58:32: Glenn Ann Johnson: link between whistleblowing, terrorism, and scientist deaths.

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Conclusions and Theories

• There is a statistically remarkable pattern of deaths and disappearances among U.S. scientists involved in advanced propulsion, anti-gravity, and defense research.
• Repeated clues suggest elements of staged suicides, evidence tampering, and potentially advanced technologies (like DEW) used for harassment, intimidation, and murder.
• Connections between victims cluster around AFRL, NASA, Los Alamos, Huntsville (AL), and Kirtland (NM), with many having ties to classified research and funding overseen by McCasland.
• Strong suspicions arise regarding foreign intelligence involvement (principally China and Russia)—espionage in pursuit of cutting-edge U.S. technology.
• Panelists urge for further investigation and call for public assistance (800-CALL-FBI).

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Final Note from Nancy Grace

• Nancy Grace closes the episode with a call to action for listeners who may have information about missing or dead scientists. She laments the lack of transparency and the heartbreaking mystery facing the families left behind.

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For listeners seeking more information or with leads: CALL FBI at 800-225-5324.

Transcript

[Nancy Grace]

This is an I Heart podcast, Guaranteed Human crime stories with Nancy Grace. US Space scientists either dead or missing.

[Lauren Conlon]

It's fishy.

[Amy Eskridge]

Harassment, harassment, Threat, threat.

[Lauren Conlon]

It's suspicious.

[Melissa Casillas's Husband]

She didn't take nothing.

[Nancy Grace]

He slipped his phone. There's no bullet.

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

If it were a staged suicide, then why be so sloppy about it?

[Dave Mack]

It's BS when things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when it happens three times now,

[Nancy Grace]

you have a trend Bombshell tonight in the case of dead and missing US Scientists with top clearances across the board. Tonight, the body count, 17. Joining us tonight, crime stories, investigative reporter Dave Mack. Dave Mack, what more can you tell us?

[Dave Mack]

Nancy, as we have taken a look at this story a number of times, there are three names that are kind of bubbling to the surface right now. Retired General Neil McCasland, Anthony Chavez, and Melissa Casillas. In the case of General Neil McCaslin, retired General. This is a man who controlled 2.2 billion in government funding for research he spent and by the way, research in propulsion technology. This is a man who spent the largest part of his career at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, where the UFO community knows has been the subject of a lot of questions about our government's research into extraterrestrial technology, if it exists. But more than that, Neil McCaslin, the guy is 66 years old. And as we were all beginning to cover the Nancy Guthrie story in February, you know, we were three and a half weeks into that story every day looking at what was happening in Arizona, and General Neil McCaslin went missing on February 27th. For a brief moment, people were like, wait a minute. What's going on with these senior citizens? They just seem to disappear. The Neal McCaslin story was coming. Well, the information we got came from his wife. Pretty much everything we know about his recent health, his demeanor, his idea and everything comes from his wife. I'm not challenging her, Nancy. I'm just pointing out that it's Neil McCaslin's wife that said he had kind of a brain fog going on and he left home without his phone and without other things he would normally have and just went walking away. She was gone from the house for an hour, and when she got back, she couldn't find him anywhere and reported him missing. Well, Nancy, I've been in that area of Albuquerque, New Mexico, where General Neil McCaslin went missing. It's tough terrain. It's rugged terrain at the base of the Sandia Mountains. My brother and I, when we were Kids, we did a lot of hiking up in that area. It's not an area you go without knowing where you're going because the terrain is difficult. But if Neil McCasland was to walk away within the hour that his wife was gone and a search began right away to find a 66 year old man on foot walking in the area where she suggested he went, they'd have found him. They would have found him right away. Can't get that far away in an hour in that terrain. Just saying. This is man who had $2.2 billion in government funding that he was in charge of and handed out for research into alternative propulsion that NASA and other organizations in our government have been working on. He's one of those people. Again, retired U.S. air Force General Neil McCasland. But check this out. Taos, New Mexico, coming into play we have Anthony Chavez. Now, Anthony Chavez worked at Los Alamos. And it is said that he, Anthony Chavez was a retired H Vac guy. Well, I mean, if you've got problems with your heating and air conditioning and your central heat and air, he'd be the guy to call. Right? But he has ties to Los Alamos. And I want to make sure I get this right. He was working on a research project with quantum physics with an unnamed scientist. An H Vac guy working on a quantum physics research project with another scientist. And by the way, he just goes missing. He was trying to sell his sister's home that he had inherited. And he was going to sell the home and use it for assisted living. And he did have a real estate agent that was really pushing him hard to sell it for below market value, for below what it was listed for. But other than that, Anthony Chavez, a retired H Vac guy working on a quantum physics project with another scientist, disappeared. Now, we have covered Melissa Casillas and that's why I mentioned Taos. A minute ago, Melissa Casillas body was found. Well, her remains, her skeletal remains were found remembered leaning up against a tree, gun nearby. Yeah, there's a lot wrong with this story. The story was that Melissa Casillas had gone to drop her husband off at work. She forgot her key card, had to go back home to get it. She took her daughter a Subway sandwich for lunch. And that Melissa decided to just work from home. But then she was later, after she disappeared, leaving behind her phones and keys by. Her phones were left behind and they'd been reset to factory. And then she just vanishes right into thin air. There was a picture of her walking down a highway, but that Was pretty much it with Melissa Casillas. But you know what? Here's the tie. You know, I mentioned Anthony Chavez, retired H Vac guy doing quantum physics work with another scientist. Well, Anthony Chavez is that former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratory until his retirement in 2017. He vanishes seven weeks. Seven weeks before a key assistant at that same lab vanished. Who was that key card holder? Melissa Casillas. So we got Neil McCasland, Anthony Chavez, Melissa Casillas, all gone. We did find skeletal remains of Melissa Casillas leaning against a tree. But, Nancy, there's just three of the latest that we're looking at with the missing and dead scientists.

[Nancy Grace]

How does a young scientist, without telling family or friends, decide he's going on a trip, get into his Tesla without his wallet or iPhone? Like so many of the other missing or dead scientists, leaving home on foot, leaving behind all id, wallets, cell phones, tracking devices, any sort of identification that links them to the military or to their research. This young scientist, Joshua LeBlanc, leaves home and suddenly crashes into a guardrail. And both he and his vehicle are totally incinerated. Stephanie Hurlo joining us, co host, Crime Weekly podcast. Stephanie, thank you for being with us tonight. What happened to Joshua LeBlanc? First of all, tell me about him. What was he studying? Let me guess. Anti gravity. Jet propulsion. What?

[Stephanie Hurlo]

Yes, jet propulsion. He. He lived and worked in Huntsville, Alabama, which is kind of the epicenter of a lot of these missing people, including Dr. Ning Lee, who was missing for a while but ended up being killed, and also Amy Eskridge. So the University of Huntsville is very, very focused on NASA, jet propulsion, anti gravity research. That's the epicenter of where all that stuff is happening. But he did work with some pretty high security clearance.

[Nancy Grace]

Straight out to Dr. Kendall Crowns joining us, Chief medical examiner at Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth, Texas. Dr. Crowns, why three days to identify his body? I mean, they knew it was his Tesla number one. The family reported him missing. Why did it take three days to figure out it's him?

[Dr. Kendall Krans]

Well, actually, three days is a little surprising to me because I would think it would take even longer. If a body's burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial skin has been burned away all the way to the bone. You have to do techniques to figure out who they are. And one of them is dental records. So they have a presumptive id they kind of know who he is. They get his dental records and do a comparison. Three days is, to me, an actually quick Turnaround time.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, Dr. KendallKrans I know I'm wading into dangerous territory here, arguing with the chief medical examiner in a metropolitan area, but how hard is it to get dental records? The family says that's his car. He's missing dental records. That should take a couple of hours.

[Dr. Kendall Krans]

Well, it isn't a couple hours. You have to call the dentist, they have to get the records, they have to bring them to the medical examiner's office. So you're looking at least a day or two.

[Nancy Grace]

You do know about email, right? You don't have to get in your on your horse and buggy and go over to the medical examiners. You hit one button and send it. Okay, so that takes five minutes. But what you're saying regarding bringing in a forensic dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Out to special guest joining us, Frank Milburn, former British intelligence officer who knew another dead scientist very well, Amy Eskridge, who said point blank, if I am found dead, I did not and would never commit suicide. Frank, I'd like you to listen to her voice, to her tapes that you have provided to us.

[Amy Eskridge]

Listen, we discovered what was up when we got back and the car battery was drained, the pepper spray was emptied. Right. They just had a colonel walk out of the airport behind me. He didn't have any luggage. I don't think he even flew that day.

[Lauren Conlon]

Right.

[Amy Eskridge]

My car failed to start and then he offered to jump it for me. Right. So the colonel jumped my car and then I went along my merry way, totally traumatized, but also totally okay.

[Stephanie Hurlo]

Right.

[Amy Eskridge]

I have not traveled by air and I also have not left the city by car either, ever since then.

[Nancy Grace]

From our friends at Daily Mail, Crime stories with nancy grace. To Frank Milburn. What is she talking about?

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

Yeah, she's talking about an incident that happened when she came back from out of town, when she came back to her airport near Huntsville. And this is something that was recurring for her. She would go out of town, fly out, she'd come back, her vehicle had been tampered with. Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would be tampered with. So her vehicle would be in an airport car parking lot where presumably there's cameras and there's surveillance people moving in and out. So you'd have, presumably you'd have some record of it, but her car was being tampered with, whether it was products inside the car, items inside the car, or sometimes the door would just be left open, a jar so that the battery would run down, so that when she came back, she had, she had a problem, but this was recurring, and it happened not only to her at airports, but also at other locations and also including at home. And there's a video where she's very worried. She found footsteps outside her house. There's another one where, you know, she. She's talking about her. Her car being. Her mother's car being battery drained.

[Nancy Grace]

Also allegations that her home computer had been hacked.

[Amy Eskridge]

Listen, so I maybe just sent a message to Tim on LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more illegally leaked document of photos that were taken from my laptop bag from my home by your business partner, I'm gonna call the FBI. You've been informed that your partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama.

[Stephanie Hurlo]

He.

[Amy Eskridge]

He transported them across state lines to New Jersey and he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate felony considering the NDA. It's an act of corporate espionage because he founded a competing company right after that. It's an act of international espionage because he has a dual citizenship status. It's an act of breach of presidential executive presidential privilege because the document is.

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[Amy Eskridge]

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[Nancy Grace]

Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe her computer had been hacked?

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

That happened to her a lot. And she was regularly. For example, when she was attacked with directed energy weapons, which were documented, she was working on an air gapped computer precisely because she didn't want to be connected to the Internet. Her team and her were constantly having to clean, reinstall their phones, their computers, precisely because of this hacking. But in that particular case here, the person that she names in the clip that you played previously, he's been gaslighting me and her since before she died.

[Melissa Casillas's Husband]

He knew.

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

I've got emails going back to. Sorry. I've got documents going back to 2021 saying that she was being a target of industrial espionage by him and his partner. These people have been trying to gaslight her before and after her death and trying to portray her as crazy, as not competent. But this should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI. I know these people. They're trying to gaslight me too. So, you know, this is actually disgusting behavior, talking very, very badly about a deceased dead lady who can't defend herself. But that's why I'm here to defend her.

[Nancy Grace]

You mentioned being harassed. Harassed. And also you mentioned a directed power hit on her body from which she allegedly sustained multiple bruises and showed them two people.

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

This wasn't alleged. It's all documented. And I actually showed, you know, the images of her to a doctor friend of mine, and she said, yeah, those are consistent, you know, with directed energy microwave weapons. Havana syndrome is mostly acoustic, but these were directed energy microwave weapons that literally, you know, fry your body, fry your central nervous system, fry your spine, give you all kinds of gastrointestinal problems.

[Nancy Grace]

I want you to listen to this.

[Amy Eskridge]

I've been typing on this offline computer right here, super sensitive for the past several days, with this window right here to my right and that window door right there to my left. And my hands have been burned hell and back as I've been typing, because you can beam me through there and through or through there, and you can get a 3D image of what I'm typing. Because this computer doesn't have a WI fi card. You can't hack it, but you can Maybe get a 3D image of me typing. So, like, we just did that and did that as an act of. As an act of pure desperation. And guess what? I feel better immediately. I feel better immediately. Like, my hands still burn because there's damage. My hands still burn because there's damage. But. But it's like my body relaxed when we barricaded this, and it was like, oh, like relief, like, immediately, because they're hitting me through the. I'm sitting here typing on this thing. Like directed energy weapons are about harming and harassing people, but they're also sometimes surveillance mechanisms where you can. You can't hack the computer because there's no WI fi card, but you can send microwaves in to get a 3D image of me typing on the keyboard and you can reconstruct what I'm typing by microwaving me. Even though you can't hack it, there's no WI fi card. That's, that's the type of shenanigans going on right now. Like that's the reality of like directed energy tools and weapons. Like that's kind of, that's going on.

[Nancy Grace]

We just showed a photo of Eskridge's red hands. What is that?

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

That was when she was working literally on that project for Homeland Security. And she was, I think about six to stories up, but they got hit with a directed energy weapon and she got burnt on her hands. Not on her face. I believe it was on her hands. So something directed specifically at her hands. And there's another scientist. I actually sent you the videos. There's a nice. Another scientist with her in the background. And you can hear him say it's a directed energy weapon, a microwave directed energy weapon. So there's two witnesses there, two scientists who are expert witnesses and able to describe exactly what has happened to them.

[Amy Eskridge]

I'm scared. I'm tired. I'm real tired. I need to disclose soon, man. I need to pull soon because it's like escalating. It's getting more and more aggressive. Like over the past. This has been going on for like, I don't know, four or five years. And over the past 12, 12 months it's been like escalating, escalating, like more aggressive, more invasive.

[Nancy Grace]

Much happening out of the New Mexico jurisdiction, New Mexico and California. Listen to these connections and how the people went missing. Monica Jacinto Riza worked at the AFRL. Air Force Research Lab General McCaslin oversaw, actually ran, commandeered the AFRL, including the funding, specifically Reza's project. She got her funding from AFRL and she was specializing in jet propulsion. She is on a hike in the LA National Forest. She's with a friend, a female friend who's just ahead of her. The friend looks back, she waves and smiles. A few minutes later, she looks back, Monica's gone.

[Dave Mack]

Gone.

[Nancy Grace]

An intense digital search and more was conducted. Nothing. In the space of 10 minutes, she's gone. You know, let me go to you, Lauren Conlon. You have done a really deep dive on Monica Jacinta Reza. And your article in LA magazine was eye opening. And I'm sure that took you hundreds and hundreds of hours of research to put that One article together remind us about how Monica just disappears off a trail.

[Lauren Conlon]

Of course, Monica's disappearance is very chilling because she was with two people from her yoga group and reportedly she was descending from a mountain with her male companion. Only she was behind him about 30ft. They were both running again. This is a steep terrain. No one can understand why they were running. The male companion turned around, he waved to her. A minute later she was gone, vanished into thin air. And that red beanie was found on a more dangerous path leading off of the mountain. This is Mount Waterman. And her scent stopped at that beanie. Nancy. Very strange. I have spoken to close family members who are desperate to find their, you know, their sister, their mother, their cousin. Monica is a widow. They wanted everyone to know that she was not working for any type of foreign government, any foreign intelligence. She, she was studying yoga with a specialty in Vedic sciences and she had done this for about 30 years and she was working for NASA JPL at the time. One last thing I want to say about Monica, Nancy, is the fact that she had an iPhone 8 which meant that her cell phone was not going to ping anywhere unless she was at a proper place in the mountain for it to work. If she would have had an iPhone 12 it could have pinged. But this is one of the most baffling things ever again because she was with two people, two companions and they both seemed to have a very specific story. And as far as I know Nancy, no one else can put Monica on the mountain that day except for these two people.

[Nancy Grace]

Lauren Conlon. Isn't it true that Monica Jacinta Reza got her funding from a FRL Air Force research lab and she worked closely with. And her funding was approved by William Neil McCasland who walked away from his home with none of his id, without his phone, without anything on him to identify who he was except an Air Force sweatshirt which was found discarded about two miles away. McCasland oversaw Monica Jacinto Reza's projects and okay, the funding for her. Isn't that true?

[Lauren Conlon]

They did overlap and I, you know, I've reached out to these places like Wright Patterson, the Air Force Research Lab and I think I mentioned this to you. It's very difficult to get confirmation of what people did exactly and the years that they worked there, you know, so I'm going off of LinkedIn for these two in general. But yes, Monica Raza, you know, she co patented these high strength metal alloys, burn resistant alloys and General McCaslin was at the very top. So this to me like they are the center of all of this.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I want to talk to you first. I want to play you trying to get answers out of D.C. fat chance. Listen to this, everybody.

[Lauren Conlon]

Nothing. Reb Burchett, nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin, shady.

[Nancy Grace]

Y' all in the media, you figure it out. Of course there's something going on.

[Dave Mack]

You had 14 rabbis, 14 preachers, 14

[Nancy Grace]

used car salesmen disappeared. You'd be asking questions. What was that about the rabbi, the preacher and the used car? Sal, you know what? I don't want to knock around in his head. No offense. I want to talk about the facts, as we know. Then can we talk about McCasland? By the way, that's from Lauren Collin, four on TikTok. And here she is in the flesh. Can we talk about McCasland? Because he kicked the whole thing off. I mean, his credentials are incredible. First of all, who is McCasland, Lauren?

[Lauren Conlon]

Well, he is pretty much more credentialed, I would say, than any president we've had in about two decades. But he oversaw 80% of the Pentagon's black ops project. He was a retired Air Force general. He was stationed at Wright Patterson, obviously the Air Force Research Lab. And Nancy, I had a very successful FOIA request fulfilled last week where I was given by the Bernalillo Sheriff's Office the last known photo of General McCaslin the day before he went missing. And I was in shock because I am thinking, why am I the one putting this out? Why didn't law enforcement or the FBI put this out? And not only that, in the police report, in one of the police reports, anyway, they indicate that the FBI did, in fact join the investigation on March 3rd. So I've reached out to them as well. But I will say, parsing through this and going through all of the body cam footage, all of the interviews, you learn a lot about General McCaslin's last few months. And it is very heartbreaking. There are certain things that don't add up. But also I do want to point out that friends said that starting in January, he wasn't himself. He was actually in the process of looking for a doctor to diagnose whatever he thought that he had.

[Nancy Grace]

Listen to this.

[Amy Eskridge]

Has he been diagnosed with any mental disorders or anything like that?

[Nancy Grace]

Well, we've been seeing the doc for both physical and mental in terms of anxiety, short term memory loss, lack of sleep. The same doc I went to see today. Very, very active physically and has always had a very sharp mind. Retired major general, Ph.D. from MIT.

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

Oh, wow.

[Amy Eskridge]

And he's been feeling brain fog today.

[Nancy Grace]

He had taken a drug that the doctor prescribed last night that was supposed

[Lauren Conlon]

to help with sleep with weight gain.

[Nancy Grace]

He's lost about £20 for no reason and with anxiety. I was shocked this morning when I

[Lauren Conlon]

saw the alert because what I noticed Thursday evening is he wasn't his usual self. He was kind of spacey and quiet.

[Nancy Grace]

From our friends at Daily Mail to Dave Mack, crime stories investigative reporter who has been on the missing scientists and lab workers from the beginning that McCaslin had multiple senior Pentagon roles. He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamos National Lab. Who just walked away with no identification on him. To me had connections to so many of the others.

[Dave Mack]

Dave Mack one linchpin for the money attached to all the research. Nancy, you gotta remember McCaslin was the air Force Research Laboratory head at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. This is a position that he stayed at until he retired. And he was dealing with billions, not millions, but billions of dollars in advanced material sciences and future weapons research across the nation and all of our, all of our centers that we were investigating. So all the research that was being done, all the funding that came for that research went through McCaslin's hands. That's why he was aware of everybody that was moving around. And he's there in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is where Kirtland Air Force Base is. That's where he retired after leaving Wright Patterson in Ohio. Well, what do we know about these areas? They are huge in the UFO research that has been done and McCaslin is connected to all of these things.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining us tonight, an all star panel. But first I want to go to John Nance, former supervisory Special agent with the FBI assigned to the Miami and D.C. field offices over 20 years. Mr. Nance, thank you for being with us tonight. I know you're not a medical examiner, but I'm very fatigued with claims that all of these top security clearance scientists and lab workers all just walk out of their home with no id, no cell phone. Melissa Casillas cell phone had been factory wiped when her daughter found her cell phone. That they all just walk out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide. Melissa Cassias gun found near her body. She was completely skeletonized by the time her body has been found. Family says she was not acting unusually in any. That's not her gun. That's not our gun. Where did that gun come from? And most disturbing, Mr. Nance, there's no bullet at that scene. Anyway, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist, pardon my pun, to Figure out something is way off with this story.

[Dr. Kendall Krans]

Yeah, none of this makes any sense.

[Chris Swecker]

The.

[Dr. Kendall Krans]

The theories surrounding, you know, while these people are committing suicide, it just. It just doesn't. It just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot of unanswered questions, especially in Cassius's case. In fact, her husband said that part of her story was that she was going to return home to get her ID Badge, when, in fact, he saw her with the ID Badge in the vehicle. So that makes no sense. And of course, as you've already mentioned, the cell phones, the smartphones being reset to factory settings, all these things indicate that she. She didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that she could have been in fear for her safety in some form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape. I mean, that's. That's a possibility.

[Nancy Grace]

I want to see the last known image of Melissa Casillas. There she is. Hey, where are all those things? She's got a backpack with her. What? Where is all that? Because we haven't heard word one about any of that being found by or around her body. And also no animal activity. She's been missing a long time. And her body, her skeleton is sitting up, undisturbed, pristine, leaning against a tree. That defies everything I know about a crime scene where a body is found skeletonized. It would have fallen apart by now. Lauren Conlon, what more can you tell us about the discovery of Cassillis body? What do you know?

[Lauren Conlon]

Well, I've been in touch with the New Mexico State Police, and they have been very responsive to me. It is the PIO that press Information officer, and she has indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to see if they can disclose what they have. Because I submitted a FOIA request for the autopsy report, and I was denied, actually, two days ago. And not because, you know, they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give it to me. It's because they don't have it completed yet. Nancy. So I, like you, I am waiting for the facts. All we know officially right now is that there was not an initial projectile in the skull, as you mentioned. And this photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks my heart. Nancy, all of everything you said, the fact that Melissa took medication with her, her toothbrush with her, that really tells me that she wasn't planning on taking her own life. So I just want answers. I feel for her family.

[Nancy Grace]

Listen to this.

[Melissa Casillas's Husband]

We cannot vacate my wife. We haven't heard from her all day. Some work with this morning. Was the last time I saw a word. She. My daughter saw her around 1 o'. Clock. All her stuff was here in the house but she's not here. And it's just not like her to not call home to check in and and take her purse and her phone and it looks like her phone is been. My Goddard's been. It looks like it's been reset but there you know. So we looked all around the house, everywhere on our property. We cannot find her or nothing. And I don't know what to do. The car that he was in his archer at the house. The keys are here. The house was locked. Everything everything was was is here. You know what I mean? So she, she wed from the father. She came home, the car was here parked in the yard. The keys are on the kitchen cable. What's her name? Melissa Casillas. And we called the hospital speed because I mean you know there's no one in there you know at all like that because we thought well maybe if something happened to her the her personal everything curse of no one would be able to identify her. And all you said oh she took was her phone. She didn't take nothing. Her phone and everything's here and she always takes her stuff with her. My daughter was trying to track her location and they always tracked each other but her, but her phone's wiped. The thing is what we can't get and she would never have wiped all the pictures off and all the information off of her phone.

[Nancy Grace]

That is Melissa Casillas husband's 911 call that we have just obtained. Joining me now Glenn Ann Johnson. Glenn, Anne is a former weapons engineer. Let that sink in just for a moment. At the U.S. department of Defense she worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep hearing Huntsville? That is where a NASA installation exists and there is also a very you know to us laypeople mysterious lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland Air Force Base in New Mexico where McCaslin worked. She worked at the Naval Surface War Center. She has worked on multiple high tech military weapons including DEW lasers nukes for the Navy and Air Force. Glennann, are you tired of hearing about highly, highly influential US scientists and lab workers just walking away and committing suicide like it is said Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn if I end up dead I did not commit suicide. Know that now, Cassias.

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

So I don't believe any of them committed suicide. And I think we're actually I think the reason that the reporter got crickets in D.C. is because there's a full Investigation ongoing where I think we're kind of at an old fashioned Moscow rules. And in the old days it was an unwritten rule that if you kill one of our people, we kill one of yours. You know, United States and Russia. I think this is ongoing with scientists right now. I think they're being maybe kidnapped and then interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making some of them look like suicide so that it's more deniable and it won't have a full investigation. But there's so many of them at this point that it's occurred to. That it doesn't make any sense.

[Nancy Grace]

Do you believe that Melissa Casillas's injuries could have been caused? See, I'm going with the good old fashioned bullet or blunt object because I understand that. But with your knowledge, Glenn, Ann, do you believe she could have succumbed to a D E W directed energy weapon?

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

It's possible. I think she was probably in terror. I think she was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to leave her family to protect them. And I think that she was probably interrogated which may have involved some kinetic attacks to her skull and what have you. But I think that she was lured away from her home by the directed energy weapons.

[Nancy Grace]

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Many people believe that Several of the 17 missing or dead are connected to McCaslin. Also missing. Let me understand. Lauren Conlon. The connection between Melissa Cassias, an administrator at La N L Los Alamos Nuclear Lab and afrl. That's the Air Force Research Lab. That's Melissa, okay? Who took with her two very odd items that torpedoes the working theory to how she died. Now, both Cassias and chavez were at AFRL Air Force Research Lab. Okay, now wait for it. McCaslin. General Will William Neil McCaslin oversaw the funding, all the funding at AFRL. He also oversaw Monica Jacinto Riza, who also disappeared. Also Steven Garcia built parts for nuclear weapons connected to AFRL Air Force Research Lab. That's how they're all connected. And the connections, they're like tentacles. They go to all of these missing and dead scientists. Now they want me to believe that Melissa Casillas shot herself. What, like Amy Eskridge? Let me see that picture one more time of her walking along the bridge. This is the last known photo of Melissa Casillas. The last. The final image of her alive is from a surveillance camera near State Road 518 in New Mexico. This is three miles from her home. That's something to ponder as well. Typically in self inflicted mortal wounds the person doesn't go for a hike. First. Tonight, what happened to scientist Aidan Shaffer as yet another scientist has been looped into this last name Wilcox. Straight out to special guest joining us, Georgia Bradburn joining us from the uk host of Liminality who has broken the latest on a deceased scientist, Aiden Schaefer. You can find her on YouTube. Interliminality. Georgia, thank you for being with us. Aidan Shaffer, what did he study?

[Georgia Bradburn]

So Aidan was looking into alternative propulsion. He was involved in spaceports in college. He was studying multiple aspects of ways to get humans into space. And he is believed to have been working on anti gravity towards the end of his life, unfortunately. But what he was doing towards the end, unfortunately, we do not know. It's unclear what it was he was working on.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I'm just curious, when you say propulsion, Georgia, are you referring to jet propulsion?

[Georgia Bradburn]

I believe it was field effect propulsion that Aidan was looking into. He wanted to find any sort of alternative that would get humans into space. He was aiming to do that by some sort of clean energy alternative. From what I can gather, he was very much involved in an alternative to jet engines. He wanted us to get there. And he was involved in space elevators as well. He was doing that for five years. So his research and development was all got geared towards humans in space and looking for alternative ways to get us there.

[Nancy Grace]

Aiden Schaefer, born, raised New Mexico, New Mexico. Popping up again, fascinated with science, space technology in a field known as field effect propulsion.

[Chris Swecker]

Listen, I'm curious if the PRC is watching. I know they're in my phone. I've alluded to that earlier today. So. And that's not just paranoia, that's my professional work life due to being on the inside of apex. Because I know China is in my phone. Meaning that there's a unit of people somewhere in Hong Kong that have the same level of access as the nsa. So anyway, use signal everybody.

[Nancy Grace]

That's him. That's Aiden Schaer speaking about his fear, based on certain incidents that had occurred, that his phone was, for lack of a better word, tapped. That is from Vlog of the Dead. It's on YouTube. And now I want you to hear something that Chris Swecker told us so

[John Nance]

it would not be out of the realm of possibility that China or Russia or some other hostile foreign intelligence service would kidnap one of our scientists and try to extract information out of them or turn them into a double agent. General public tends to be a little bit unaware of the prolific efforts to steal our sensitive technologies from A to Z. They're after it day in and day out, and they're after the people that are working on it. It's a comprehensive, ongoing effort on the part of hostile foreign intelligence services to steal our technology. I think we're going to see this list grow and it's going to play out in the public eye because it's of great interest to the public.

[Nancy Grace]

That is our guest tonight, our friend Chris Swecker, former FBI assistant director, speaking to Fox Nation. But let's hear it from the horse's mouth. You know, Chris, so often when we hear someone state, I think somebody's listening on my phone, you immediately think they're crazy, right? This guy, Aiden Shaffer, we just saw him speaking. He's not crazy. He thought someone was listening to his phone or gathering information from his phone. And at your level at the FBI, that is not uncommon.

[John Nance]

You can't overstate how, how aggressive and proactive, especially China is in trying to gather up and steal our technology. And it isn't, you know, just technology in the hands of our defense establishment, if you will. It's any technology that's helpful to them that will help them compete, you know, in the world marketplace, in, in, you know, in military, in, you know, research and development, because they don't do their own research and development. They reverse engineer every, just about everything. They don't have the, you know, the initiatives and the freedom that we have here to do that, you know, research and technology. So they're after it every day. He sounded, you know, I agree with you. You sound a little paranoid. But just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. And in this case, that may well have been true because China, especially Russia, is at it, too. But they're a little more clumsy and they're easier to detect. China is at it all day, every day through cyber means. They're trying to compromise. Scientists go to trade shows, introduce foreign exchange students. They're at it all the time. And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me at all. And this is an alternative theory, that one or more of these scientists had been turned and now you're in it and you can never get out of it. The only way you can get out of it is to take your own life.

[Nancy Grace]

Chris, I want you and everyone else on our guest panel tonight. I've been watching the videos of Aiden Schaefer over and over and over. I'm just a layperson to detect what I can. I've looked at every word. I just want you to see and hear him speaking.

[Chris Swecker]

Listen, if you're in the ufology thing, if you've talked with Amy, you probably have seen this once or twice. It's a very hastily done model. Here's what is inside. It's a technical model. Just trying to learn how to build a flying saucer. And yes, everything. Shapes, mean, things. Parts inside may not actually reflect reality. If anything, I kind of want to redo this one. Maybe make it a bit shorter so it's tighter.

[Nancy Grace]

I just wanted you to see that. And there's so much more. That's from the vlog of the dead. That is Aidan Schaeffer speaking. And there's a lot of it. And he's not just based on that, but everything I've learned, He's brilliant. Joining me now is lou Elizondo, former U.S. army counterintelligence special agent, former employee, office under Secretary of Defense for intelligence, former director, Advanced aerospace threat identification program, UFO whistleblower.

[Melissa Casillas's Husband]

Wow.

[Nancy Grace]

Mr. Elizondo, I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Also very curious about Matthew Sullivan, AKA Quake. Is it true or do you know whether an autopsy was ever, ever performed on Sullivan and what was said to be his cause of death?

[Dave Mack]

Yeah. So rather than share what I don't know, let me share you with you what I do know. He was an air force intelligence officer. He was a colleague of one of my colleagues at the time, Dave Grusch. Dave Grusch and I had worked at U. S. Space force together, and Sullivan wanted to come forward and have a conversation with certain members of Congress about the air Force's involvement in the UFO program. And he was slated within, I think, 24 hours, he had gone to Washington D.C. and was in a hotel, from my understanding, and was going to have a conversation with some members of Congress in a scif. A SCIF is a sensitive compartmented information facility. So it's kind of like a. Think of a secret vault where you can have conversations at the classified level. And the day before he was supposed to have a conversation or two days before he wound up being found dead. I knew. What I do know is that there was a while before the medical examiner even released a report. It kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. I don't know the reason why it was delayed, but I do know that members of Congress were very concerned. The fact that this individual was supposed to testify and wound up dead. And by the way, this wasn't the only one. There was another individual whose name I won't mention because it hasn't been made public yet. But he was an individual, an engineer who was allegedly tied to the exploitation of recovered UFO material. He was a. He was talking to one of my colleagues and he was, he was going to go talk to Congress about his knowledge about, about legacy UF U.S. government, legacy UFO efforts. And within, I think a week or so before he was supposed to go to Washington D.C. he wound up dying. And the cause of death, I don't know. But one of my colleagues was following it very closely and was concerned enough to tell me, hey, look, you know, people are starting to disappear. You may want to be very careful. So there does seem to be a very interesting. You can call it a coincidence, but in my line of work as a former intelligence officer, you know, when things happen once, it's an anomaly. When things happen twice, you could chalk it up as a coincidence. But when it happens three times now, you have a trend.

[Nancy Grace]

That said, I would be remiss if I did not mention physicists. Brilliant physicist Dr. Ning Lee. She had been awarded $450,000 from the DOD and she disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down in a crosswalk. Nobody else went out in the crosswalk, but she was suddenly thrust into the crosswalk. She got mowed down. Her husband immediately had a heart attack and later died. She was brain dead and then later died. To Stephanie Hurlo joining us, co host, Crime Weekly Podcast what can you tell me about her? I know she's Chinese American and I know that she was brilliant and I know nobody but her ended up in that crosswalk when she got mowed down.

[Stephanie Hurlo]

Dr. Nengley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and she was doing anti gravity work and research there. She then left the university after a significant amount of time there, and she started her own business. And then the government came calling and they gave her that grant to work on continued anti gravity research. Because this is Huntsville, they do that stuff there, as well as advanced propulsion research. And then she started working with the government. And at that point she kind of went dark. And there was a big thing online for a while because people thought she disappeared. She was off the map for quite a bit. And there was a journalist who was trying to find her to talk to her about her research, and he couldn't find her. And he reached out to another anti gravity researcher, Eugene Polinak, and Eugene said, oh, she's working for the government. She just can't talk to anybody about what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said, I haven't been able to reach her either. And it was several years later when this same journalist finally tracked down Amy, Dr. Ninglee's son. And the son said she had been hit. She had been in a terrible car accident which had left her with permanent brain damage. She developed dementia and, and then he took care of her for several years until she finally passed away from this. But she was never the same. Obviously. She never went back to work.

[Nancy Grace]

You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that Dr. Lee has been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart of physics. The scientist that many people say, quote, discovered anti gravity. That's the significance of. Who is Dr. Ning Li? She is. Was. Brilliant. Now I'm hearing that a female space scientist died after a boulder fell on her car. What's the odds of that happening? Straight out to Lauren Conlon joining us, investigative reporter with the Los Angeles LA Magazine, star of Pop Crime tv, co host, you can find her at Pop Crime tv. Lauren, why did I have to find that buried amongst all sorts of outlandish theories regarding these missing scientists and dead scientists? Is any of that true? Who is Ingrid Lane and is it true she has disappeared but her car is found with a boulder attack?

[Lauren Conlon]

Yes. So as far as we know, Nancy, she is still alive. She is just missing. Ingrid Lane, she was a beautiful musician, she played the violin. But she was also a neuroscientist and a bioengineer affiliated with the Mind Research Network at the University of New Mexico. Now, this place, the Mind Research Network, it had ties to Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories. So that is where this very, very striking connection comes in. The way that Ingrid disappeared is so chilling, Nancy. She was actually at a retreat that she was supposed to be on a week long retreat at a place called the Bodie Manda Zen Center. And according to reports and friends and family, she was very familiar with this place. She had been going there, I guess on and off for about 10 years. It was about an hour from where she lived in the Albuquerque area. So she's there for one day. The very next day she tells people that she's going for a drive. She's got to go back to Albuquerque. She's got to go back to Los Alamos. She wants to hike over there and she'll be back later. Now this struck a few people as odd because it's like you're going on a Zen retreat, but now you want to drive a bunch of hours even though you're supposed to be meditating. Now here's where it gets a little weird. So she's driving along State Route 144 near the San Antonio Mountain and the Valles Caledra National Preserve. She is going up and up and up to the top of this mountain. Now, two people find her because she is having car trouble. And they ask her, you know, do you need some help? And she says, you know, I'm. I'm fine. I will fix my car. They said she seemed very determined to get to the top of this mountain. So according to these two people, they walk along and she continues. Now, later, as you mentioned, her car was found after there was an Apple air tag that police tracked when she was reported missing. Now, there was a large boulder that had shattered near the rear hatch window of her Subaru. And the front showed reportedly major front end collision damage. We don't really have an explanation about that, but three laptops found inside that car, Nancy, an unactivated burner phone, and her keys were still in the ignition.

[Nancy Grace]

The toll is now up to 18 missing or dead scientists. And I want you to listen to this. You've got McCaslin, who just walked away and never seen again. Schaefer, who died in custody on a contested claim. Jacintha Reza just seemingly just beamed up out of a heavily wooded area. She's never seen again. Chavez, still missing. Cassias now claims she committed suicide, although no COD has been offered. There's no bullet, which means no suicide. Garcia, Missing Maywald, no cause of death since 2024. Jason Thomas is found dead in a pond. Michael David Hicks, it was said he died of obesity. Okay, Amy Eskridge, David Wilcock, Joshua LeBlanc, Matthew Sullivan, top clearance. Ning Lee, renowned scientist, walks in front of a car. Ingrid Lane, still missing after a boulder attacked her car. But where was her body? Kevin Childress, dead on the sofa. Okay, Glenn Ann Johnson, weapons Engineer with the U.S. department of Defense. What do you make of the list I just gave you?

[Glenn Ann Johnson]

Well, it's happening. What happened to them is happening to a lot of people with top secret contact clearance that had nothing to do with UFOs and found foreign malicious code and parts in US systems, especially US Air Force systems. And they changed my medical records to say that I had anxiety, mental depression, things that I've never had. And it was from medical records from Vanderbilt, a place I've never been. So they were setting it up to do the same thing to me. It's happening to my friends that own companies that found code injections from the same locations. Huntsville, Alabama, and Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico. So I think that all of These people's connection is that they tried to stop terrorism and counterterrorism from occurring. They blew the whistle on something, and there are people, bad actors, that murdered them for it, and they made it look like a suicide.

[Nancy Grace]

If you know or think you know anything regarding the missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial 800, call FBI. 800, call FBI, 225-5324. We remember American hero, Captain Christopher Garrow, New York State Police. Died as a result of being a hero in the September 11 attacks. Served our country for 23 years, leaving behind his wife, Jillian, and two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Garrow. Thank you to our guests, but especially you for being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend. This is an I Heart podcast, guaranteed human.