DEEP CUTS ON D4VD'S LIPS CAUGHT ON CAMERA: ADMITS PREGNANCY

Summary

"Crime Stories with Nancy Grace" — DEEP CUTS ON D4VD'S LIPS CAUGHT ON CAMERA: ADMITS PREGNANCY

Date: June 17, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

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Episode Overview

Nancy Grace examines the tragic murder of 13-year-old Celeste Rivas and the mounting suspicions around rising music star D4VD (David Anthony Burke). The episode scrutinizes evidence surrounding deep cuts on D4VD’s lips—caught on camera shortly after Celeste’s death—and whether he unwittingly admitted that Celeste was pregnant at the time she was killed. Joined by seasoned experts, Grace questions evidence, dissects timelines, and probes into psychological and legal angles, offering a relentless, detail-driven look at the disturbing case.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Deep Cuts on D4VD's Lips

(Timestamps: 04:47–09:31)

• Video Evidence: Nancy Grace reveals new video showing significant, fresh lacerations on D4VD’s mouth immediately following Celeste's murder.
• Forensic Insight:
  • [06:15] Jo Scott Morgan: “...it's very vascular. There's a large concentration [of blood vessels in the lips].”
  • Morgan discusses how lip wounds could result from a victim’s defensive actions, specifically fingernail scratches or possibly even a bite mark.
• Discussion of Physical Evidence:
  • The challenge of identifying fingernail marks on lips compared to more taut skin (e.g., neck in strangulation cases).
  • Morgan and Grace explain the forensic difficulty:
    • [08:29] Jo Scott Morgan: “Any kind of insult to the lip, it's harder to interpret this than it is to where the skin is more stretched out... these things look like half moon shapes almost.”
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall posits an alternative reading: the cut may have been a bite mark from a sexual or emotional altercation, rather than a self-inflicted or staged wound.

2. Was Celeste Pregnant?

(Timestamps: 12:09–13:35, 27:23–27:42)

• Digital Trail:
  • Grace presents a telling screen grab (allegedly from D4VD):
    • [12:24] Nancy Grace: “‘What should I name my kid, guys?’ Okay, there you go. From D4VD.”
  • Friends confirm Celeste confided about her pregnancy.
• Victim’s Mindset:
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall contextualizes the confusion and isolation of a young girl entangled with an adult, underlining the tragic psychological toll:
    • [17:59] Dr. Bethany Marshall: “It's going to be so confusing for her... She probably felt so jealous and destroyed and awful... she was left with a mass of undigestible feelings which is really awful for a little girl to go through.”

3. Timeline and Alleged Actions of D4VD

(Timestamps: 13:50–15:28, 38:02–38:28)

• Apr 23rd: The Night of the Murder
  • D4VD orders Celeste an Uber, bringing her to his home.
  • After her death, he sends texts to her phone as if she’s still alive—attempting an alibi.
  • He purportedly drives late that night to Santa Barbara County to dispose of evidence.
  • [13:50] Dave Mack: “He allegedly kills her right after she arrived at his house... then takes a late night drive out to Santa Barbara county, the first of many. And this is where he allegedly disposes of some evidence.”
  • This all coincides with D4VD’s album launch and the beginning of his world tour.

4. Pattern of Predatory Behavior and Multiple Victims

(Timestamps: 15:28–16:59)

• Additional Victims: Anonymous accounts and social media posts allege D4VD groomed multiple underage girls.
• Supporting Quotes:
  • [16:25] Anonymous Victim (Reddit): “I went to authorities. I’m involved in this. Your comments are insensitive and rude... I know there are other girls out there like me.”
• Child Exploitation: Claims regarding explicit material found on D4VD’s phone.

5. Psychological Analysis & Victim Experience

(Timestamps: 17:59–19:22)

• Dr. Bethany Marshall compares Celeste's situation to public cases involving adult women (e.g., Tiger Woods' mistresses) but underscores how much less equipped a 12-year-old would be to process such trauma.
• Celeste felt she was in a special relationship, only to become isolated and overwhelmed when learning about other girls.

6. Forensic Details of the Murder and Dismemberment

(Timestamps: 38:02–41:08)

• Cause of Death:
  • Two significant stab wounds: one non-fatal to left chest, the fatal one to the liver.
    • [38:28] Jo Scott Morgan: “There are two specific sharp force injuries... the one that is the fatal shot... a penetrating sharp force injury... goes into her liver... it is a slow bleed. She would have languished.”
  • Prolonged, painful death; the body later dismembered.

7. The Killer's Brazen Behavior

(Timestamps: 23:28–25:45, 41:49–42:47)

• Post-Murder Actions:
  • D4VD is seen out at a PR party with visible facial wounds the same night as the murder.
  • Psychological analysis frames this as either indifference or a perverse kind of boasting—a “trophy.”
    • [24:48] Tom Smith: “It’s a trophy to him... This is just one of them. It’s a promotional scheme to put it out there. More to act like a tough guy, to look at what I did. But inside it is a trophy.”
• Comparison: Nancy Grace draws parallels to other arrogant defendants flaunting their crimes.

8. Legal Analysis: Admissibility, Defense Strategy, and Presumption of Innocence

(Timestamps: 27:41–34:00, 41:08–41:49)

• Consent and Privacy:
  • [28:57] Troy Slayton: Raises potential legal hurdles about admitting voice memos and texts as evidence due to privacy laws.
• Presumption of Innocence:
  • [15:28] Nancy Grace: “D4VD, David Anthony Burke, is innocent. Tonight, he is presumed innocent. This is for you, Troy Slayton. I'm throwing you a bone. He's presumed innocent unless and until the state pierces that presumption with evidence sufficient to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”
• Potential for Multiple Perpetrators:
  • Slayton suggests a defense built on D4VD’s high profile and constant entourage, inferring reasonable doubt and possible alternate suspects.

9. Public & Social Media Reaction

(Timestamps: 16:59–17:59, 41:49–42:47)

• Significant portions of evidence and victim voices are coming to light through digital means—Instagram, Reddit, TikTok.
• Grace highlights the power and transparency resulting from the public release of case files.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jo Scott Morgan (Forensic Expert)
  • [06:15]: “It's very vascular. There's a large concentration [of blood vessels in the lips].”
  • [38:28]: “She would have languished. This is not something that would have been quick... She would have laid there and bled out.”
• Nancy Grace (Host)
  • [12:24]: “He’s on making the videos, putting out insta, putting out TikTok with a bloody injury to his lip right after Celeste is killed. Just like he went to the party, just like he was pushing his tour. He did not care.”
• Dr. Bethany Marshall (Psychoanalyst)
  • [17:59]: “She was left with a mass of undigestible feelings which is really awful for a little girl to go through.”
• Tom Smith (Former NYPD)
  • [24:48]: “Absolutely right. It's a trophy to him... It's a promotional scheme... but inside it is a trophy. And he is keeping that as something prideful, which is sickening.”
• Troy Slayton (Defense Attorney)
  • [27:41]: “If that is really her, it seems to me like a surreptitious recording... you're not allowed to record a communication where the people... have a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Drugging and Uber Evidence / Timeline Reconstruction: 13:50–15:28
• Digital Admission of Pregnancy: 12:09–13:35
• Discussion of Multiple Victims and Digital Testimonies: 16:25–16:59
• Legal Debates on Admissibility: 27:41–34:00
• Forensic Details of Injury and Autopsy: 38:02–41:08
• Behavior Analysis (“Trophy” Theory): 23:28–25:45, 41:49–42:47

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Conclusion

Nancy Grace and her panel—comprised of forensic scientists, a psychoanalyst, a defense attorney, and veteran law enforcement—present a probing, urgent discussion of the evidence implicating D4VD in Celeste Rivas’ murder. The episode weaves together forensics, digital trails, psychological insight, and courtroom strategies to pose disturbing questions about predation, celebrity, justice, and the vulnerability of young victims in a hyper-connected world.
Final message: Nancy Grace reminds listeners that David Anthony Burke, known as D4VD, remains presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The case continues to unfold as investigators and the public seek justice for Celeste Rivas.

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Transcript

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[Dave Mack]

Celeste Rivas is talking to her friend about running away because she's pregnant.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

Nancy what I see is a little girl who imagines she has a true relationship with a much older man.

[Dave Mack]

April 23rd, that's when investigators say D4VD killed Celeste Rivas.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

This is a 20 year old man who's not going to let anything stand between him and his career.

[Nancy Grace]

As we go to air tonight, we uncover deep cuts on D4VD's mouth and lips, we believe just after Celeste is murdered. Also tonight, was her murder more of a two man job? Is the state looking at a co defendant? This as the preliminary hearing set to go down. What's going to happen? We think we know. But first to the cuts on his lips. First of all, let's look at a control room. Let's not just talk about it, let's show it. It's on video. Okay. There you go. Ow. And what, what is on his shoe? It looks like blood. Okay, right at the get go. Straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is the author of Blood Beneath My Feet. He's the star of a hit podcast, Body Bags with Jo Scott Morgan. But more importantly, he is a death investigator that has investigated over 10,000 death scenes equaling 10,000 plus dead bodies. The lips are extremely, how do you say when you talk about having a lot of blood vessels, what do you call that?

[Jo Scott Morgan]

JOE SCOTT oh, it's, it's very vascular. There's a large concentration.

[Nancy Grace]

Yes. Like nose, your eyes, your lips, they seem to bleed a lot more than if you cut your arm. And it won't go away if you keep hitting. Seems to make it worse. That is right after Celeste was murdered. And if the two are connected, how badly do you think he wanted that to heal up and go away.

[Jo Scott Morgan]

Well, if he's demonstrating it, I can't imagine he wanted it to heal up. That's the odd piece to this, because that's fresh, Nancy. That's not something that has been there for a long, long time. And the problem is, is that in that image, it's. It is an insult. Okay, but we can't tell. What I'd be very interested to know is what's the nature of the injury itself? Is it shaped like a fingernail? You know, how our fingernails are curved? You know where I'm going with this? Like, almost someone trying to defend themselves, striking at a particular assailant here and. Or is it a blunt force tap to the lip? Or is this just something that maybe he manufactured and put on his lips for the purposes of shock value?

[Nancy Grace]

Just got. I want to talk to you about something you just said fingernail marks. Yeah, I'm sure you have, because I have, and I'm sure you have in a strangulation case, and I believe this. We exhibited it on the slides of Ellen Greenberg's neck. Yes, we did often see fingernail marks. They look like half moons. But with the lip, you can see that because the neck or other body parts, arms, legs, you can see a print better with the lips. Not as much as, like biting into jello. You can't. You can't really get a print as well on the lips. If she grabbed at him. And that is, in fact, a fingernail mark, a scratch. It's going to be a lot harder to have assessed that on the lip as opposed to on the neck, where you and I have seen them routinely in manual strangulation cases.

[Jo Scott Morgan]

So if you think about the skin as the top of a drum. Okay. A drum has what's called a lot of surface tension. If you think about the skin over our neck, we. More surface tension here in the lips because they're. They're very fatty. Right. You don't have as much surface tension. So when you look at that, any kind of insult to the lip, it's harder to interpret this than it is to where the skin is more stretched out. Okay. Where there is surface tension. So that wound, for our purposes, would have to be cleaned, and then you would have to observe it. But still, if this was generated as a result of a fingernail mark, you could actually take it. And what we'll do with an injury is press it close together and you can make out the, the, the signature left behind. And again, I ask all of our friends out there watching, look down the long axis of your finger. Okay. And if you look at the leading edge of your fingernail, you'll notice that it's curved. So these things look like half moon shapes almost.

[Nancy Grace]

Jo Scott, I just said that. Go ahead, steal my thunder. I don't care. You're absolutely right. And I want to follow up on something you said at the get go you had mentioned when we were talking about theatrics like what does this mean, if anything, to D4VD? To Dr. Bethany Marshall. That is not Jo Scott Morgan or my bailiwick. That's on you. Dr. Bethany Marshall is joining. She's a renowned psychoanalyst out of the Beverly Hills jurisdiction. But she does not limit her practice to Rodeo Drive.

[Troy Slayton]

Rodeo.

[Nancy Grace]

Rodeo Drive. She is the star of a brand new podcast on the couch with Dr. Bethany. She's author of Deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock and Bravo and find her at Dr.bethany marshall.com. Dr. Bethany, we have a prior girlfriend who I believe was also underage at the time she was dating D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke, who says he thought he was above the law and many other things. I don't think he cared if Celeste had scratched his face, had made that mark on his lips. I mean that night. And I'm going to go to Dave Mack in a moment on backup for this. That night after she was murdered. He's out doing a PR party. He doesn't care. Hey, control room, can you dig up really quickly him out that night at a PR party after he ordered Celeste up like a pizza, got her an Uber there.

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[Nancy Grace]

Do you think he cared about going on camera with his lips still bloody and re opened as a wound? I don't think he cared, Nancy.

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

I think he was happy. I think he glorifies death. He began to feel sort of elated and like all the responsibility of this underage girl is away. Probably they may have had some kind of fight. Something was going on with her where she had more needs as. As girls and women do. And I don't see a fingernail mark. I see a bite mark. Now, I'm not Jo Scott Morgan. I'm not a death scene investigator, but I am as a psychoanalyst. I think that he. Death, sex, eroticism, all of those things were fused together in his mind. So it could be that they were having sex. He was making out. She bit him.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, yeah, I see where you're going with that, Bethany. But to you, Dave Mack, joining me, crime stories investigative reporter. Let's get our Timeline straight here. He ordered her up like a pizza on UberEats. Okay? He paid for her to come to his home the night she was murdered. There is plenty of evidence supporting this. That. That is the night she was murdered. She was threatening to expose their relationship in a few moments. You know what? Let's don't wait. Let's show the screen grab now where D4VD seemingly admits that Celeste was pregnant. Okay, can we pull that up? So what I'm saying is I don't think the injury, the deep cut to his lip was from a makeout session. There you go. I'll join the group, chat with wifey and give you all the story time. What should I name my kid, Guys? Okay, there you go. From D4VD. So what I'm saying, Dave Mac, is I don't think that was a love bite. Immediate. He's on making the. The videos, putting out insta. Putting out TikTok with a bloody injury to his lip right after Celeste is killed. Just like he went to the party, just like he was pushing his tour. He did not care.

[Dave Mack]

What.

[Nancy Grace]

What's so hard for anybody to understand about that? We can't relate to it, but the timeline proves it. If in fact, our information is correct. That's not a love bite. That's an injury. Give me the times, give me the date.

[Dave Mack]

Okay. All right, Nancy, April 23rd is the key date here. That's where, as you mentioned, you know, he orders Celeste stuff, like a pizza. He orders her from her home with her parents to his house. A 70 minute drive, a long drive by Uber. Then he allegedly kills her. And it's important to note, Nancy, that while he allegedly killed her, right after she arrived at his house, just after 10pm on the night of April 23, D4VD sent text messages to her phone acting like she hadn't arrived yet to kind of create an alibi right off the bat. Then, after he allegedly kills her in his home, he then takes a late night drive out to Santa Barbara county, the first of many. And this is where he allegedly disposes of some evidence. This early morning late night ride was reported early on by investigators, if you remember. And it all came to fruition when we saw this timeline getting built around April 23rd. This is the week his album is coming out, his first full studio album going out, Withered. The Withered World tour was beginning right then. And by the way, Celeste Rivas was threatening. See, he had broken up with her. He had cast her aside, and she was threatening to go public. That week to blow up his entire career that he had been involved with an underage girl for years and that what happened on April 23rd. Nancy.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, it's not just that. Dave Mack, you're right. She was jealous and she was angry. And in her little girl mind, she's 13. They started their relationship when she was 11, still wearing hello Kitty apparel. It's not just her saying it. Other people, other girlfriends, many of them allegedly underage. And I want to reiterate, D4VD, David Anthony Burke is innocent. Tonight, he is presumed innocent. This is for you, Troy Slayton. I'm throwing you a bone. He's presumed innocent unless and until the state pierces that presumption with evidence sufficient to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, that said, I want you to hear what another girlfriend, aka victim of D4VD had to say about his stable of underage girls.

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David's third victim has officially come out anonymously in this Reddit post stating this is victim three. For those saying, I didn't go to authorities, that's the first thing I did. Like, are you guys serious? I went to authorities. I'm involved in this. Your comments are insensitive and rude. I went through so much that you guys need to calm down and realize the victims went through so much. I know there are other girls out there like me. Does that mean that David had more than three victims?

[Nancy Grace]

Victims?

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It makes sense because she firsthand saw how many girls David was grooming. And it could be backed up by the fact that David had his whole phone full of cp. So it's bound to happen that there's even more than just three victims.

[Nancy Grace]

That's God, Carmen on Insta talking about him reacting to an alleged victim three. In this case, angry, commenting on the number of underage girls. And you know, Back to you, Dr. Bethany Marshall. How was this little girl Celeste supposed to respond? She had told her bestie she was pregnant. You see, D4VD is putting it out there, posting that he's going to have a child. Now, I know Troy Slight is doing a backflip because we can't prove the origin of this, even though that is his official package posting that said, what's going through the mind of a little girl, 13, that started her relationship with a much older boy when she was 11 years old. He's a man now. He is a grown man. What is she supposed to think when she sees all these other little girls lined up?

[Dr. Bethany Marshall]

It's going to be so confusing for her. You know, when Tiger woods all These women came out with Tiger woods, they were adult women and each one thought they would be the only one in the special one. That was why, why they hung in there with Tiger Woods. So you think of a 12 year old, her mind's not fully formed, that's going to be a very much a part of the picture. How, how can a 12 year old even cope or process something like this, especially if she's away from her parents. Our parents help us process reality when we're little and she didn't have her parents to do that for her because she was out of the familial home. She probably thought she was going to be like a princess and the only one and that as he his career grew that, that she was going to be the wife of this huge star and all the other girls around, she probably felt so jealous and destroyed and awful and I imagine that her reality, she probably couldn't even put the pieces together. NANCY she hopefully had little friends to talk to, but probably not because he probably told her this is a secret. Don't tell anybody, don't tell your parents. So she was left with a mass of undigestible feelings which is really awful. NANCY For a little girl to go through,

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[Jo Scott Morgan]

And there she sits in this house.

[Nancy Grace]

He blames the smell of this child's decomposing body on his bathroom.

[Jo Scott Morgan]

Hell yeah, it stinks. This is human remains that are decomposing A true child, a human BE.

[Nancy Grace]

Tom Smith joining me former NYPD detective, 30 years on the force. He is now a co star of Gold Shields. You can find him at thegoldshieldsshow.com Tom thanks for joining us. I'm not surprised that he is allowing himself to be filmed with a wound to his lip. Please, there are no coincidences in criminal Law. She's killed, murdered, dismembered. This video is shortly after, according to reports. Of course, they're connected. And I'm not surprised at all that he did not delay the video, he didn't delay the party the night of her murder. He went out and partied for pr, for marketing and lived it up. Probably got a couple of little girls phone numbers that night. He didn't care that Celeste was dead at his hands, according to police. So why not shoot a video with your lip still dripping blood?

[Tom Smith]

Absolutely right. It's a trophy to him, you know, and how many. How many homicides have we seen that the perpetrators have trophies of their victims and this is just one of them. It's a promotional scheme to put it out there. More to act like a tough guy to look at what I did. But inside it is a trophy. And he is keeping that as something prideful, which is sickening. But that's the reason he's doing it. And he wasn't going to stop. If you. If you look at all the things that have been going on with these videos, each of them have something else to do with this crime. And that's what investigators need to do as far as a timeline goes. Start picking these videos out and putting them into the timeline of when they came out with when injuries took place or look like they took place, and then just take it up from there and get all the people involved in these videos as well to get interviewed about what was going on behind the scenes.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I want Troy Slate and Dr. Bethany Marshall to brace themselves. I agree with Tom Smith, by the way. I've had so many defendants just flaunt the law. I had one drug trafficker. He appeared in court in the same bright red, full leather outfit, leather head to wrist to. To red leather that he was wearing in his booking photo, really, that the witnesses described he was wearing the night he was apprehended, the night that he was caught with the dope. The whole thing. He was so arrogant. Same thing here. I don't think that there would be any problem in D4VD's mind. Shooting a video with his lip dripping blood from a wound delivered by Celeste in some way during her murder. Okay, brace yourself. Troy Slayton and Dr. Bethany Marshall listen to Celeste. You heard Dr. Bethany Marshall talking about what was going through this little girl's mind. Was she pregnant at the time? Did she get an abortion? Because we know there was a lot of talk between them. It's documented in the state supporting brief, which, by the way, the defense Tried to suppress so nobody can read it, but we got it and we read it and it talks about the plan B abortion pill. It talks about her getting abortions. Is that why she went to London? Is that why her passport was discarded out in the middle of nowhere, but it was found. Did he not want us to know he took her to there, to Vegas, to Texas? Out of state?

[Dave Mack]

Why?

[Nancy Grace]

That said, listen to this little girl's response. I know that you probably don't want to talk to me right now, and I respect that, I really do. But I really need to hear your voice right now. Like, I just need to know that you're okay. I need to know that we're okay.

[Tom Smith]

I need to.

[Nancy Grace]

I sound so stupid right now, but like, I've been so selfish and I can't stop thinking about you and what I did and how it's affecting like everything. I just want to say I'm. I'm sorry. I really am sorry. From these plenty8925 on Reddit okay. Troy Slayton. I can't wait to hear this. Unleash the lawyer. Joining us out of California, LA criminal defense attorney, founder of Slayton Lawyers, Troy Slayton, the one, the only Troy. Did you hear the little 13 year old girl saying she's sorry for what she did to D4VD? Okay, according to his posting. And what she tells her bestie she was pregnant and her feelings were hurt when she sees all the other girls lined up to be with D4VD and him taking advantage of that. And in her little girl mind, she is apologizing. It makes me sick. Sick. I wonder if they can play that in court. But I want to hear your response to it.

[Troy Slayton]

Well, number one, if that is really her, it seems to me like that was a surreptitious recording of a private communication. Meaning you're not allowed to record a communication where the people who are involved in the communication have a reasonable expectation of privacy. It's not like they recorded that somewhere at a McDonald's. This was a message sent to one person intended to be private. So that. That's one issue. That's one legal issue. There's no consent framework that exists for that to be publicly used for any commercial purpose. But certainly if that was her voice, she's unavailable. And the prosecutors can absolutely use it in a criminal trial for what it's worth. But as far as everything else that you've said today, it seems like pause.

[Nancy Grace]

Let's just take one issue at the time. So you're saying that the problem you have with a 13 year old, allegedly, allegedly pregnant little girl who's watching her love object, sleep with other girls and it's hurting her feelings. She's 13. Your problem is that it may have been recorded improperly. What, are you gonna sue me? You gonna sue me because I played it? Bring it on, Slayton. Come on. I can't wait. The other thing is, what if Celeste recorded it? That makes it consent. What if she recorded herself? What if it was taken from a police recording? You don't know that.

[Troy Slayton]

It seems like it was a voice memo that was sent, or like a voicemail sent through a text message, something like that. That's what it appears like to me. Just because she recorded her voice herself doesn't mean that she's given consent for it to be played for anybody. She meant it to be.

[Nancy Grace]

That's not what consent is about. Consent one and two, party consent. And I've used it in court many times. It's not about whether it's going to be played publicly, like tonight on Crime Stories. It's about consent to tape. Can it be tape? That's the consent we're talking about, not consent to air it on Crime Stories. So let's get the context legally accurate. It's whether one of the two parties consented to the taping.

[Troy Slayton]

If. If I record a conversation, if I record my voice and send it to a person, send it to somebody that I don't intend it to be used in any other forum, then it's not allowed to be used, regardless of me having taped it myself. It may not violate federal wiretapping laws,

[Nancy Grace]

but there you go. He finally admits it does not violate the Constitution rule.

[Troy Slayton]

But there's California privacy rules, rules that don't. Would not allow its publication.

[Nancy Grace]

We are not. That's not in criminal law. That's not in criminal court. This is a murder case. That's civil. What do you think, I just fell off the turnip truck? Go to the corner. Go to the corner and think about what you just said. Wait a minute. Don't go to the corner yet, because you were about to jump on all the other issues. What other issues?

[Troy Slayton]

Well, let's take a 30,000 foot view at this, Nancy. What you don't realize is that a young celebrity like this has dozens of people around him. There's an entourage. There are multiple people here. And what the defense is going to be starting is going to be proving it appears from the very beginning, and they're setting this up right now, is an alternative explanation for her death other than the person who's been arrested. D4VD David and they are going to

[Nancy Grace]

allege why say it in one sentence when you Other people here 50 sentences. There's some other dude defense. Is that what you're saying somewhere?

[Troy Slayton]

Absolutely. There were so many other people that had access to this person and so many other people that stand to lose, that stand to be hurt if for somehow she exposed an illegal relationship and the gravy train which was his stardom were to come to an end.

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[Dave Mack]

Prosecutors say that Celeste was murdered on April 23.

[Nancy Grace]

The person who potentially committed this heinous crime feels like they can get away with it and no one else knows what happened. He pays it to have Celeste brought to him like she's a pizza. Joe Scott what actually was done to Celeste? What did she endure?

[Jo Scott Morgan]

Let's go back in time just for a second. Nancy, do you remember the kiddie pool that was mentioned extensively as one of the purchases? What. What was some verbiage that came out relative to that and I've always been curious about the source of this information and that was it was used and that she. We watched her or he watched her bleed out. Do you think that David made that statement? Probably not. Therefore there's someone making that statement about her bleeding out. You want to know about injuries? I've got evidence for this and let me explain it to you. We're talking about and I've identified as the coroner medical examiner did in la. There are two specific sharp force injuries that she endured. Nancy was. One is if you'll go to the top of your head and measure about 15 inches down on the left hand side. Okay. That's how they're orienting this in the autopsy report. She is actually stabbed through her ribs in the intercostal space in the left chest. This wound actually goes nowhere. Okay. It doesn't impact the lung. It does clip the edge of the bone. Okay? But here. Here's the one that is the fatal shot. So if you go to the top of your head and measure down 25 inches from the top of her head on the right hand side, Nancy, there's a penetrating sharp force injury right there. You know where it goes? Goes into her liver. You know why this is important? Because liver trauma is horrible. It's horrible in the sense that it is a slow bleed. Okay? You do not die immediately. She would have languished. I've made comments on this before. This is not something that would have been quick like this. She would have laid there and bled out. Nancy. This would have been painful. She would have eventually slipped into unconsciousness as a result of what we refer to as exsanguination or bleeding out internally. If they had gotten to her body sooner, prior to dismemberment, when you open her abdomen, her abdomen would have been floating in blood. All right, Just so you understand. And the liver is a very vascular organ. There's all kinds of vessels that run through it, and all it takes is to clip a few of those. I've worked cases involving gunshot wounds, stab wounds, and motor vehicle accidents with blunt force trauma to the liver. It is a slow, languishing death.

[Nancy Grace]

Troy Slayton, is there going to be another co defendant?

[Troy Slayton]

That's the thing that I had said earlier, and you just brought it up right now, and they're discussing it with everybody. This is a person who was never alone. This was a person who had an entourage around him all the time, even when he's playing a video game, even when he is engaging with a screen. He had multiple people there that are watching that are commenting, that he's commenting with. There are people all around him all the time, which is a very good defense for him having committed this murder.

[Nancy Grace]

About to make my bloody shirt uniform for tour. Excuse me. Go ahead and take your hand. Put some blood on that hand. Take that hand and put it on that shirt. Now, I'm gonna do this 25 more times, and I'll come back to you when it's finished. Just a bloody shirt. As you see, my hands are completely decimated, but we came out with a good uniform. I'm gonna go on stage. Oh, yeah. He would totally do a video with a bloody lip from Celeste. I mean, I'm just a trial lawyer, but when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. That's from. He magazine on TikTok. Now, I want you to compare that in stark juxtaposition to this. We arrive on this earth with nothing. We spend our years chasing everything, and then we're going to die with nothing. So just make sure your spiritual hands

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[Nancy Grace]

Read that Bible. Stay in that word. Stay inspired. Stay prayed up. I will. I will. But what I'm praying for, D4VD may not be the same thing that you're praying for. That was from 4vd prayers on TikTok. Right now, a preliminary hearing is set down. The defense is furious, gnashing their teeth and switching their tails because this brief has been released to the public. They fought tooth and nail to keep keep it a secret, keep it sealed. The judge refused. That's how we know as much as we know. We wait as, God willing, justice unfolds for Celeste Rivas. And last but not least, David Anthony Burke tonight is innocent under the law. All of this unless and until the state pierces the presumption of innocence with evidence sufficient to prove Burke guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you know or think you know anything regarding Celeste Rivas death, please dial 213-486-6890. We remember an American hero Officer Dustin Krish, Carrollton PD, Georgia. Just 33, killed in the line of duty after three years on the force. Leaving behind a grieving wife, Emily. American hero Officer Dustin Krish. Thank you to our guests, but especially you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night friend.

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