DIDDY ESCAPES JUSTICE?

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: DIDDY ESCAPES JUSTICE?
Air Date: October 4, 2025
Host: Nancy Grace
Key Guests: Lynn Shaw, Dr. Bethany Marshall, Sam Kruepen, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, Sidney Sumner, Troy Slayton

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Overview

In this episode, Nancy Grace leads an emotional and incisive discussion following the high-profile sentencing of Sean Combs (aka Diddy) to a reduced prison term of 50 months (with credit for time served, leaving about 36 months). The panel—comprising legal experts, advocates, journalists, and survivors’ voices—questions whether true justice was served for Combs’ victims and, by extension, victims of abuse everywhere. The episode is raw, angry, and unflinching in examining not just the sentencing but what it says about power, privilege, and the criminal justice system’s treatment of sexual exploitation and violence.

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Main Discussion & Key Points

1. Sentencing and Immediate Reactions

• Headline: Sean Combs received a 50 month sentence, with credit for 14 months already served—effectively leaving just three years (and as little as 18 months with good behavior).
• Nancy Grace's outrage: “Judge, what were you thinking?... That leaves just 36 months behind bars. Factor in good behavior, he'll be out in no time.” (01:09)
• Panel’s consensus: The sentence is seen as a “slap on the wrist” considering the scale and nature of the crimes outlined in court.

2. Accountability, Symbolism, and Disappointment

• Lynn Shaw (03:30): “At least he got something. Is it enough? It'll never be enough in our warriors book. But you know what? It's better than nothing because we have a lot of people walking around that there is no accountability.”
• Dr. Bethany Marshall raises alarm (05:28): “This short sentence is going to have what we call a kindling effect... This kind of a sentence is not a deterrent at all. It is an accelerant.”

3. Legal Parameters and Sentencing Debate

• Defense attorney Troy Slayton disputes that the sentence is light, arguing the judge was bound by guidelines for the actual convictions (prostitution, not sex trafficking/rape), but Nancy Grace challenges this by citing the possibility of a much higher maximum sentence under federal law. (07:15–08:33)
• Sam Kruepen confirms (08:32): “Yes, that is correct.”—acknowledging the higher sentence was possible but not imposed.

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Memorable Courtroom Moments

"The Wedding Video"

• Sam Kruepen (09:03): Describes Diddy’s defense video: “...they showed him running his marathon, barely making it across the finish line in a little bit, what felt like a wedding video.”
• Nancy Grace is skeptical about the emotional display, especially as it featured Diddy's children and tearful pleas for leniency.

Judge’s Rationale

• The judge condemned Combs’ crimes, referenced the “heinous” acts and need to stand with victims but ultimately gave a lighter sentence, citing guidelines and time served.
• Nancy Grace (12:19): “He really just fussed out Combs and then gave him a slap on the wrist.”

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Detailed Evidence and Victim Testimony

Key Evidence

• Descriptions of extreme abuse, coercion, and humiliation were recounted:
  • Cassie Ventura’s testimony, including being physically abused and forced into degrading sexual acts for Combs’ gratification.
  • Lynn Shaw (22:10): “Cassie describing her first freak off where an escort urinated in her mouth...”
  • Nancy Grace (23:14): Recalls a victim forced to vomit after being coerced into group sex, only to be reprimanded and sent back by Combs.
  • Parental extortion: Cassie's parents allegedly forced to take out a loan to stave off threats of revenge porn.
• Lynn Shaw (24:30): “He is a pimp. So I want to know, when are we going to address the justice system itself and when are we going to say we have to have a new understanding of what a sex trafficking victim, an exploited person, looks like?”

Intimidation of Victims

• Mia’s Testimony: Amidst attempts to discredit her, Mia—a former assistant—testified about being raped and physically abused by Combs, restricted from leaving his home, and blackmailed with her own nude images.
  • Sidney Sumner (29:30): “Mia testified that Sean Combs physically assaulted her numerous times and even raped her three times while she was under his employee.”
  • Defense sent a letter declaring Mia was not a victim and calling her story a fabrication.

Panel Reacts to Victims’ Trauma

• The panel is unified in its outrage, emphasizing the real, lifelong harm to the victims, and how the sentencing process retraumatized them.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Nancy Grace (01:09): “Breaking news tonight, a dark day for crime victims and women all over the world... Judge, what were you thinking?”
• Lynn Shaw (03:30): “...anytime women, girls, boys and men are exploited, we want that person held accountable.”
• Dr. Bethany Marshall (05:28): “This kind of a sentence is not a deterrent at all. It is an accelerant.”
• Nancy Grace (13:12): “His knee injury did not stop him from videoing women in all sorts of sex positions while they were drugged, from beating them mercilessly, from dragging them up and down the hallway of the Intercontinental Hotel.”
• Lynn Shaw (24:30): “...that's the talk of a pimp. He is a pimp. So I want to know, when are we going to address the justice system itself and when are we going to say we have to have a new understanding of what a sex trafficking victim, an exploited person, looks like, their trauma?”
• Nancy Grace (41:14): “Let me just throw a legal term at you. That's balls the size of coconut, Sam.”
• Sam Kruepen (46:42): “...kicking a woman. I mean, it’s despicable behavior... we let him get away with this because we want to... we don’t want to hate our idols... That 11 minute wedding video... that was well orchestrated, well edited, looked like a Nike commercial almost. That’s something you play at a Super Bowl. To me, it felt a little inappropriate that they even let that video be played in the court because they didn’t let a video be played of all of Cassie’s highlights and her being a mother and all the wonderful things she did. We just got to see Sean Combs celebrated.”
• Nancy Grace (54:46): “...he may have a light sentence... But when he gets out, he will be having supper with Satan. I’m telling you, what he did will never be forgotten. And I pray that he does come out of jail a changed person. But when you don’t know a horse, you look at his track record.”

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Panel's Broader Concerns

Justice System Fails Victims

• The episode returns again and again to the theme of structural failings:
  • “It was about more than one man. It was really for victims and survivors of any kind of sexual assault and abuse exploitation.” (Lynn Shaw, 03:30)
  • “I am very worried. I have so much of a heavy heart tonight about this because of the victims of this.” (Lynn Shaw, 24:30)
  • “This means to them abject failure. What happened today... was an opportunity for this judge... That would have really meant so much to victims [if a tough sentence was given].” (Lynn Shaw, 53:22)

Celebrity Privilege & Culture of Enabling

• Multiple panelists highlight how fame, wealth, and celebrity influence outcomes and perceptions.
• Sam Kruepen (46:01): “We idolize celebrities just because we love a lot of the music and the entertainment he’s brought us. We still need to understand that what he did to women, it’s disgusting... If he wasn’t a celebrity, we could probably all agree to throw the key away.”

Use of Children and Public Image in Defense Strategy

• The tactic of using family and sympathetic videos during sentencing is dissected and largely condemned by the panel as manipulative and effective—in this case, perhaps too effective.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Sentencing Announced & Panel Reactions: 01:09–06:26
• Legal Dispute on Sentencing Range: 06:26–08:33
• Courtroom “Wedding Video" / Defense Strategy: 09:03–13:12
• Victim Testimony and Evidence Overview: 22:10–29:53
• Mia’s Story & Intimidation: 29:30–32:16
• Privilege/Celebrity Discussion & Societal Implications: 46:01–54:46
• Closing Thoughts / Emotional Reflections: 53:22–54:46

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Tone & Final Takeaways

Nancy Grace’s tone is relentless and impassioned, giving voice to anger, disbelief, and sorrow—often speaking directly to, or for, survivors of abuse and exploitation. The episode is a rallying cry for accountability and legal reform, with a thread of sadness for what this verdict represents to victims and society at large.

Final words (54:46):
“...he may have a light sentence... But when he gets out, he will be having supper with Satan. I’m telling you, what he did will never be forgotten. And I pray that he does come out of jail a changed person. But when you don’t know a horse, you look at his track record.”

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking a comprehensive, emotionally honest, and critical breakdown of this landmark episode on the Diddy sentencing and its broader implications.

Transcript

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[Sam Kruepen]

Why?

[Nancy Grace]

Because he's getting credit for time served. With me, an all star panel. I'm sure that the victims all across the country, victims of rape victims of abuse are taking to their beds in tears or angry. At this hour, straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder and director of Lynn's warriors, committed to fighting exploitation of women and girls. I feel like taking my bed, too. I can't believe it.

[Lynn Shaw]

I can't believe it either. And I've been getting so many text messages just in the last five minutes about this. I was getting phone calls even last night. What, what do I think would happen? Here's the thing. I want everybody to take a breath, though. Of course, we at the warriors wanted the maximum sentence. We're not lawyers, but anything, anytime women, girls, boys and men are exploited, we want that person held accountable. So here's what I have to say about everything. At least he got something. Is it enough? It'll never be enough in our warriors book. But you know what? It's better than nothing because we have a lot of people walking around that there is no accountability. As far as we're concerned, though, this was not just about this case of Diddy. This was about more than one man. It was really for victims and survivors of any kind of sexual assault and abuse exploitation. Really about would somebody of power, wealth, all this opportunity, would he be held accountable? So we're gonna have a lot of cleanup we'll be doing tonight and all weekend about this. But at least everybody should remember right now he's still in jail. He's not doing speaking engagements and getting on his airplane and leaving town laughing in everybody's faces. So we have to remember there's still more to come with this story.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, now that you put it like that, Lynn Shaw, I think you've got a really good point. Many people thought Sean Combs would walk free. And you know what? He's not. He's already done going on two years behind bars, and he's got three more to look at. The actual sentence is 50 months behind bars, but when you subtract the 14 months he's already got, that's where we're getting 36 months left to serve. And you know what? She's got a point. Straightight up to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, joining us from the LA jurisdiction, author. You can see her on Peacock now and you can find her@drbethenny marshall.com. Dr. Bethany, what do you think about it? I'm shocked, Nancy.

[Lynn Shaw]

I am gravely concerned that this short sentence is going to have what we call a kindling effect, like using kindling to make a fire. He's in just long enough to contemplate his next move. As we already know, he's probably putting out feelers to start his empire. So what is he going to think about in three years? How to wreak vengeance on the victims? How to regain control over everybody in his kingdom? How to reassemble his company. This kind of a sentence is unfortunate because I do consider him a sex offender. And sex offenders, when they're in jail, they have nothing but their sexual fantasies. So when they get out, they're more likely to offend. This kind of a sentence is not a deterrent at all. It is an accelerant. It is an accelerant on his capacity to wield his power and engage in sexual abuse.

[Nancy Grace]

So, Dr. Bethany, what about what Lynn Shaw just said? Because of his fame, his money, his high powered lawyers, many people thought he would walk free. So is this a symbolic victory? Okay, I think I know what Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney, is about to say, joining us out of la. What about it, Slayton?

[Sam Kruepen]

This was fair based on what he was convicted of. You got to understand and remember that the government lost the most serious of the charges here, the charges that would have kept him jail for decades. So the judge here is limited to the sentencing guidelines based on what he was convicted of, which is only prostitution. One thing that his. One thing that his attorney.

[Nancy Grace]

You don't need to school me. And the sentencing guidelines Sean Combs could have gotten. Oh, I'm still hearing him. Up to 10 years on each count run consecutively. That could have been a 20 year sentence. That's. Are you telling me that's not what the official code says? Because it is. 20 years was a possible sentence?

[Sam Kruepen]

Well, the prosecutors here were asking for 11 years. And the judge said to them, did.

[Nancy Grace]

I just ask you. You're trying to tell me what's an appropriate sentence under the Man act, but up to 10 years on each count.

[Sam Kruepen]

But nobody gets that. That might be what is possible.

[Nancy Grace]

You're avoiding the question. Okay, you know what? Joining me right now is Sam Kruepen, who was in the courtroom throughout. He's an investigative journalist and he is the star of Sampson's World on YouTube. Sam Kruepen, let me just start with a yes no from you. Isn't it true that sentencing could have been up to 10 years on each of the two counts, which could have run consecutively? And isn't that true that was the maximum sentence you could have gotten?

[Sam Kruepen]

Yes, that is correct.

[Nancy Grace]

That was like pulling a tooth. And, Sam, I got to tell you something. I'm a jd, Not a dds. I don't know how to pull teeth, but give me a set of pliers and I will be happy to try. I want to hear what exactly happened in court today because we're told that Diddy and his defense team made him out to be the victim about how much he has suffered, even bringing up a knee ailment in his professional video. Really? A knee ailment?

[Sam Kruepen]

Yeah. To be honest with you, they showed him running his marathon, barely making it across the finish line in a little bit, what felt like a wedding video. And most people inside the courtroom felt that Diddy's defense team was kind of. Once the kids had gone up and spoken, it was so emotional. There was not a dry eye in the room of the children begging for their father back. But it still, it was just not enough to sway Judge Subrahmanian at all because, you know, he spoke up for women and victims all throughout the world and said these were heinous crimes. The probation had suggested 60 months. They gave him 50 months. But with, you know, his time served and good behavior, people are saying he might only get about a year and a half to two years.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, you know what? I wish you hadn't told me that, but I heard you saying that the judge was talking about sticking up for rape victims and assault victims. Did you just say that? And he cares so much about all these victims that he gave Combs a slap on the wrist. I really did not think that's what we were going to be reporting tonight.

[Sam Kruepen]

I'm sorry, but that is.

[Nancy Grace]

Did you say he can walk in a little over a year?

[Sam Kruepen]

I mean, that is what people inside the courtroom rumors saying that at first, 50 months, it sounds like five years. That is half of what the government would have liked. Like you said, it could have been 20 years. And I think this is a little bit of a slap in the face of the victims. Like you're saying, Nancy, that with good behavior, his free Diddy game classes, he does time served, he's looking at only a year and a half, potentially.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, we in the victims rights community had hoped for a serious sentence. Instead, Combs is going to be out in no time rubbing our noses in it. And according to many of the victims, they're afraid. They are actually afraid of him seeking vengeance when he gets out, and they should be. Did I just hear you, Sam Krupen, state that the defense video looked like a wedding video? Why did you say that?

[Sam Kruepen]

I mean, it just. It looked like a wedding video. It looked like somebody who'd play it, like somebody's 70th birthday. Beautiful music, well edited. But the problem was, is, and I was surprised at the defense. Every, every lawyer got up and spoke and it's like, let's give them the light a little bit. Some people went on, Ms. Westmoreland cried. Some people viewed that as a little odd because as a defense attorney we should remain that, you know, keep our composure. So it was just after the kids spoke and it was very emotional. A lot of people said they should have gotten out, you know what I mean? Like, that's the light. Close the show. But they kept going and they were beating a dead horse, in my opinion. And I don't think it helped the sentencing. I think the judge knew all along how long he was going to give. He did say this is a severe crime that deserves a severe sentence. And to your point, Nancy, it's not that severe of a sentence. Even though he told us he was giving a severe sentence.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, you know, I'm very, I'm very perplexed by what the judge said going on and on and on about what awful crimes had been committed. And at the very beginning, he made it clear that he, the judge could take into account the charges for which Combs was acquitted, the sex trafficking charges, but apparently he didn't. So he really just fussed out Combs and then gave him a slap on the wrist. And speaking of the so called wedding video, let's take a look at the video that the court saw where we're actually hearing comes whining about his knee injury.

[Sam Kruepen]

I mean, he's really devoted and dedicated himself to running. He's had some knee problems and a.

[Nancy Grace]

Lot of people don't think he's going to finish.

[Sam Kruepen]

He is going to finish, even if.

[Lynn Shaw]

He has to do it on one.

[Sam Kruepen]

Leg because he's raised a lot of.

[Lynn Shaw]

Money for kids charities and he's not.

[Sam Kruepen]

Going to let all those people down.

[Nancy Grace]

His knee injury, okay, Dr. Bethany Marshall, his knee injury did not stop him from videoing women in all sorts of sex positions while they were drugged, from beating them mercilessly, from dragging them up and down the hallway of the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the video the judge should have been thinking about.

[Lynn Shaw]

Well, let's see. He had enough stamina to beat women, to rape, allegedly rape women, to throw freak offs that lasted 20, 30 hours, to line up physicians and nurses to give treatment to the victims after these parties were over. Let's see, he had the energy to call and call and call and bully and threaten his girlfriends. He had enormous amounts of energy, Nancy, and he can't run a marathon. I'm wondering if he is detoxing or this is a part of his drug addiction which he refers to in his letter. And back to this kindling effect. If he has as severe a drug problem as I have witnessed through all of the tape you've been playing and as he attested to in his own letter to the judge, a year and a half gives him just enough time to get the fumes out and then go right back out and start using again. Somebody with that kind of a drug addiction, that kind of a power problem, sex addiction, all the symptoms we've talked about is a menace to society. And I think Judd Subramanian really, really did not take the victims. It is an insult to them. They have been re traumatized. It starts like any other night. The glass of red, the cozy blanket. Then the drop. The stain so dark, so stubborn, it might as well have been a crime scene. But this isn't your average couch. This is anabe. Fully washable, unspeakably comfortable and ready for whatever your life, your kids or your ex throws at it. And here's the kicker. Starting at just 699, you can make sure your sofa isn't part of the problem. Fully washable, stain resistant, and built to hide even the darkest defenses. Right now, get up to 60% off because no one should have to live with a stain that won't quit. Annabe the only mystery you won't be losing. Sleepover shop washablesofas.com today, that's washablesofas.com.

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[Lynn Shaw]

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[Lynn Shaw]

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[Sam Kruepen]

Right. I mean he had said, you know, it was so hard this whole time not being able to talk. And I think that kind of tells you a little bit about his ego of here's a guy who's used to going talk shows, award shows, even when he comes into the courtroom, he gives like the love emoji sign to everybody like he's on some weird talk show. And I think, yeah, it's, it's just the whole thing was, was just, it's so bizarre. But yeah, they were painting him as the victim. Now he apologized, he said sorry to Cassie. But for sure, through that 11 minute wedding video, like I stated, they in my opinion, the defense. The defense didn't overkill. All right. When the, when the kids gave their testimony, did. He should have gave his testimony and they should have gotten out. In my opinion, they went too far and they did too much.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, Sam, obviously you and I are both wrong because it worked. The judge, him, 50 months. 50 months with time served, he's going to be out. I'm checking my math because it's hard for me to believe it. 36 months with time served.

[Sam Kruepen]

Right.

[Nancy Grace]

I don't even know what to say. But they portrayed Sean Combs, the victim. Here is more of the so called wedding video that Sam Krupen is describing. It's a video put together by the defense that was played for the judge. And I guess the judge got his popcorn and his diet Coke and kicked back and soaked it all in. Watch.

[Sam Kruepen]

I had to pick this trophy. I wanted the best person trophy. I know in order for me to get into heaven. I'm not gonna get in there. Well, come on in heaven. You had 20 hit.

[Nancy Grace]

That don't mean nothing.

[Sam Kruepen]

And that's what this world is for.

[Nancy Grace]

They're gonna say, oh, come on in.

[Sam Kruepen]

Heaven, you was a nice person.

[Nancy Grace]

The best person award. Well, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. I need a recap of the evidence. Joining me is crime stories investigative reporter in addition to Sam Creeping at the courthouse. Sidney's been on the case from the very beginning. Sidney, can we just have a reality check? This is not the father of the year. Although he used his children a lot in sentencing today about how he wants to go back to being a good dad. What? What? A good dad. He didn't live with the children. He didn't support the. He didn't raise the children. He. He did pay for them. That's true. He was too busy having free coughs that lasted two and three days at a time. All over the world, he daddy wasn't there, but he sure as heck used those children as props in court today. Can we just refresh everybody about the evidence that came out in this case, including you, Judge. You need a refreshing of your recollection what came out at trial, Sidney. Nancy, the first thing that comes to.

[Lynn Shaw]

Mind for me is Cassie describing her first freak off where an escort urinated in her mouth. That is the first thing that comes to my mind when we think about.

[Nancy Grace]

The evidence that came out at trial.

[Lynn Shaw]

And shocking to me.

[Nancy Grace]

Combs, in his letter to the judge, was surprised at what Jane had to say at trial.

[Lynn Shaw]

He claimed that he had no idea he hurt her. He Thought he was supporting her and her child. And it took her testifying at his federal trial about being punched in the head and vomiting after having sex with three escorts for him to get it through his head that he was coercive and hurt her. We heard so much vile information from many witnesses on the stand. And for him to say, I'm a model person, I do charity work, my children who never needed me before, need me now, it's disgusting.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I'm just, just curious about what sticks with you the most from this trial, Lynn Shaw. I think that the Cassaventura video where she was being beaten and dragged up and down the halls of the Intercontinental back to a freak off that she was trying to get away from Sydney may have topped me with the moment that she was forced to allow a sex worker urinate into her mouth on video. Then there is the moment when one of the victims went and threw up in the shower after being forced to perform sex with three male sex workers. Sean Combs came back and beat her, told her to clean up and get back out there. That's something that sticks with me. Then you've got the threatening of Cassie's parents to pay up money or he would release X rated video and photos of their daughter, Cassie Ventura, who is just starting her singing career, and they go take out a line of credit on their home to pay off Combs, a multimillionaire. Those are just a few things running through my line that I guess the judge forgot about. Lynn Shaw.

[Lynn Shaw]

Yeah, and I think the judge also forgot about all of the victims of one Sean Combs and everything you just described. The one thing that sticks out for me, Nancy, will always be that video of Cassie being chased and beaten in the hallway and dragged around like a rag doll. Why is everybody falling for this? Sean Combs and he is the victim. This is the playbook we see in court. It is so exhau Nancy, all the time play the victim. I'm the victim, not the actual victim. It is time we demand justice. We need to really blow up this whole justice system and have a new understanding of what is a sex trafficking victim. When Sean Combs says clean yourself up and get back out there to perform, that's the talk of a pimp. He is a pimp. So I want to know, when are we going to address the justice system itself and when are we going to say we have to have a new understanding of what a sex trafficking victim, an exploited person, looks like, their trauma? I am very worried. I have so much of a heavy heart tonight about this because of the victims of this. And Cassie, I understand from sources of ours, really believed she came forward originally because she thought he would be jailed for sex trafficking. She laid out her heart. She laid out her stories, her years of abuse, and she thought she'd never have to see him outside of a jail again. And now everybody is living in fear again. Power and wealth over vulnerable people. The story never changes.

[Nancy Grace]

Sam Krupen joining us, investigative journalist. He is the star of Sampson's world on YouTube and he's been on the case from the very beginning. Joining us from the courthouse tonight. Sam, again, thank you for being with us. Is it true that after one lawyer, I'm embarrassed for her, Westmoreland breaks down and starts crying and snotting in court, then you have another wait. Maybe it was Ms. Morland that also said there should be a light sentence for Diddy because he was awarded the Menswear Designer of the Year award. When the sentence went down, Sam, when the sentence went down and the judge from the bench enunciated what the sentence would be, what happened in the courtroom? Did all the defense attorneys start high fiving?

[Sam Kruepen]

No, it was oddly very quiet. There wasn't a celebration. I think a lot of people heard 50 months and I assume, okay, that's five years. But no, people were not celebrating at all. And I was going to say it was interesting the way Judge Subramanian delivered. It was a bit like a dating reality show where they're like, well, you know, Chad, you really had these great things like Diddy, your career, you did so much for the community and you the clothing line and all these great things you did, however you did all these awful things. And he made it sound in the courtroom, everybody was shaking their head like, oh, snakes, he might get the full 10 years, the full 20 years. We thought he was going to get much more by the tone that the judge was giving out. But then like you said, he just gave basically a year and a half sentence while telling the victims that this was their win. It was almost a slap in the face at the same time.

[Nancy Grace]

Hey, Sam, isn't it true that Mia, one of Combs victims, was set to testify today, but then completely ignoring all the evidence, the defense sends a letter to the judge trashing Mia. What did the letter say? Whatever it was was enough to scare her away from the courthouse, of course.

[Sam Kruepen]

Well, I mean, you can imagine for any of these witnesses seeing the sentence of only basically a year and a half after you break it down, of course. Would you? The fact that these women came to this court building. He wasn't convicted of the rico. It felt, you know, I saw these women. It was gut wrenching testimony. Cassie was nine months pregnant. I have three children. I couldn't imagine my wife having to sit and deliver such traumatic words and experiences and relive it with a baby inside you who's also feeling all of those emotions. So it's just I really feel for all of the victims because these women came forward, they spoke their truth, and I think at the end of the day, our justice system potentially failed the victim.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, and the judge had this in the palm of his hand to do the right thing. And sadly, federal judges are appointed for life. Out to Sydney Sumner, crime Stories investigative reporter. Let's do another reality check. Mia was intimidated and scared away from coming to court. She was set to testify and then backed out after a letter from the defense trashed her yet again. What was her testimony? What did she live through? Sidney Sumner.

[Lynn Shaw]

If we remember from trial, Mia was a former assistant to Sean Combs and she spoke under a pseudonym. She was not using her real name, but the Internet quickly found out her true identity. So Mia testified that Sean Combs physically assaulted her numerous times and even raped her three times while she was under his employee.

[Nancy Grace]

Mia said that she was not allowed.

[Lynn Shaw]

To leave Combs home without his express permission. Like, she wasn't allowed to clock out and go home, but she was not allowed. She was also not allowed to lock doors. So when she went to sleep on home, she wasn't allowed to lock the door behind her. And she woke up one morning to Combs on top of her raping her. She described another situation where she was packing for Combs to go on a trip and he attacked her while she was in his closet packing his clothes. She described one more physical assault from Combs on her directly where he snatched her cell phone and ran a men's bathroom. And she was worried that he would come across text messages where she was complaining about him. So she was trying to get her phone back, and he slammed her arm in a door so hard she thought he had broken it. And then Combs calmly came out of the bathroom a few minutes later, gave her her phone back and said he had sent himself for nude photos so that he had blackmail if she ever upset him in the future. Mia was also there when Combs attacked Cassie in a bedroom and gave her gash on her forehead that needed stitches. It starts like any other night. The glass of red, the cozy blanket, then the drop, the stain. So Dark. So stubborn it might as well have been a crime scene. But this isn't your average couch. This is Anna Bay. Fully washable, unspeakably comfortable, and ready for whatever your life, your kids or your ex throws at it. And here's the kicker. Starting at just 699, you can make sure your sofa isn't part of the problem. Fully washable, stain resistant, and built to hide even the darkest defenses. Right now, get up to 60% off, because no one should have to live with a stain that won't quit. Anna Bay. The only mystery you won't be losing sleepover shop washablesofas.com today, that's washablesofas.com.

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[Lynn Shaw]

Mark Agnifillo insists that Mia is not a victim of anything and her entire testimony at trial is an outright lie down to her voice and demeanor on the the stand. Prosecutors concede that Mia is not a victim of the crimes alleged in Combs convictions. But Subramanian allows the statement.

[Nancy Grace]

We've got so much more to say about the judge's weak sentence on Sean Combs. But now straight out to Dr. Dwayne Hendricks joining us, former warden at MDC in Brooklyn, also warden in Sheridan, Oregon, author of who Are youe? See it, say it, Sees It. And he is the founder of the New Daylight Foundation, Dr. Duane Hendricks, what Wilcombs first night be like at the mdc. I understand he's having spaghetti and meatballs, green beans and salad tonight.

[Sam Kruepen]

Well, there's going to be some very cold green beans and spaghetti tonight. I can say that I'm hoping that he, he doesn't really end up on suicide watch this time because I understand that he has some speaking engagements that he arranged in Miami next week because he, I guess he thought he was going to get that 14 month sentence in time served. So he's got to have a lot of soul searching. And tomorrow I'm hoping that his family comes and visits with him because he's probably going to be feeling, I know he's feeling real defeated right now because I honestly believe he really thought that he can outsmart the justice.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, I think he thought he was, I thought he thought he could outbid. He's going to be out max 36 months and that will probably be cut down for good behavior. Please, defeated? No, no, he's not feeling defeated. Well, of course, you know what, straight out to Dr. Bethany Marshall. Let's analyze what Hendrix just said for Sean Combs not to get what he wants. I don't want spaghetti. He probably does feel defeated. He doesn't understand he got a gift on a silver platter on top of the Christmas tree handed to him by the judge in the last hours. He probably is saying, poor pitiful me because it's. I forgot all about him, Nancy.

[Lynn Shaw]

He feels sorry for himself. He thought that he was the ringleader of the circus of filth and he could get away with whatever he wanted. Do you know what one of his daughters testified to? She said that she felt she was finally going to get her dad back, something to that effect, which implies to me that daddy was never there. As you were pointing out earlier, he was not there. He was at freak offs. You know, Nancy, I think that what I'm seeing happening in this courtroom today is evil. There's no other word for it. I think it's a profound dissociation on the part of the judge from the reality of women and men being abused. It's a man in authority not really thinking about the victims. And we're not just talking about the mental states of the victims. We're talking about real physical safety. And in terms of just dissociating from the reality of what happened. I mean, I was just listening right now to what you were saying. I mean, you're talking about raping somebody, taking pictures of them and blackmailing them. Having a woman gang raped to the point where she has mouth sores and chronic infections, giving money, taking it away, slamming a woman against a table. It's like, have we all lost our minds together? Our judicial system thinking that this is in any way appropriate. I worry that this judge might be what we call offender identified, meaning that there's something about the sexual crimes. I mean, I don't know this judge, but there's something about the sexual crimes that really don't seem like that big a deal to him. I'm very, very worried about that, guys.

[Nancy Grace]

We also know, believe it or not, that Combs had arranged a speaking engagement in Miami for next week. Listen.

[Lynn Shaw]

Prosecutor Slavic tells the judge the pre sentencing report's suggested sentence of 60 months does not adequately account account for the separate harms done to Cassie and Jane. Informing him her office stands by their request for 135 months. Slavik calls Combs respect for the law lip service revealing Combs has booked speaking engagements in Miami as early as next week. Subramanian reminds the parties of the federal guidelines for the charges, saying he sees no reason to deviate from the recommended 70 to 87 months between six and and seven years behind bars.

[Nancy Grace]

Sam Coupon joining us, star of Samson's World on YouTube. He's been on this case from the very, very beginning. Joining us from the courthouse tonight, Sam, he actually had a speaking engagement set for next week in Miami.

[Sam Kruepen]

Hang on, hang on, Nancy.

[Nancy Grace]

Let me just throw a legal term at you. That's balls the size of coconut, Sam.

[Sam Kruepen]

Now hold on, Nancy. It is not a speaking engagement. As Brian Steele said, it is a teaching engagement. Okay, so let's get the right language here. They were very specific. It was not speaking like he was getting paid. They had it set up for Monday. Isn't that crazy? They really thought he was coming out, that he was going to be able to go to Miami and do a speaking engagement on Monday. And like I said, they called it teaching engagement. You see how carefully they choose the words. But when they had said that, when Ms. Slavik announced that he had a speaking engagement, the whole courtroom was like, yo, I think he's getting a little too far ahead of himself.

[Nancy Grace]

So he was so confident that he was going to walk today. He had a speaking teaching engagement Monday in Miami set up and I guarantee it'll be a big PR event about how he has changed his life. Okay, Troy Slayton joining me, Louisiana criminal defense attorney. What about that, Troy? A speaking engagement on Monday.

[Sam Kruepen]

I think that was probably a little bit optimistic on behalf of Diddy and his handlers. But I think what I'm hearing from all of your other guests about how upset you are and how upset everybody is about what you perceive to be a light sentence here based on things like rape and all these parade of horribles that everyone has mentioned, including Dr. Marshall, who I appreciate and revere. Saying something about the judge.

[Nancy Grace]

Get to the point, please.

[Sam Kruepen]

Saying something about the judge being.

[Nancy Grace]

Please get to your point.

[Sam Kruepen]

The point is that despite the parade of horribles from all your other guests, he was sentenced for what he was convicted of. He was not convicted of rape. He was not convicted for all these other.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, let me remind you of what the judge said at the get go, okay? The judge said he the judge could take into account all of the previous charges, whether acquittals or not. Listen.

[Lynn Shaw]

Reviewing the pre sentencing report, Judge Subramanian finds the court can consider acquitted conduct while forming a sentence a loss for Combs. Subramanian also also rules Cassie, Jane and the numerous hired male escorts are in fact victims. Subramanian denies the defense objection to the report's finding. Combs has not taken responsibility for his actions, highlighting that Combs still full throatedly challenges his factual guilt. Subramanian also includes a coercion enhancement, citing Combs threats to release freak off videos.

[Nancy Grace]

Even from behind bars. Sam Kruipen joining us from the courthouse. Sean Combs was reprimanded and his lawyers as well for trying to influence witnesses from behind bars. You don't think he's going to seek vengeance now on everyone that spoke out against him?

[Sam Kruepen]

I mean, I don't know, maybe if he had gotten that 11 year sentence or 20 year, I would say yes, Nancy, he's going to be in like that Adam Sandler movie, Steve Buscemi, you know, crossing off the lift of everybody who wronged him. But I feel because he's only getting around a year and a half, a slap on the wrist, like we said, I don't think he's going to be so vengeful because I think he's seeing light at the end of the tunnel. If he wasn't seeing light at the end of the tunnel, then I would totally agree with you that, yes, I think he would make a list and go after everybody who wronged him.

[Nancy Grace]

Is it true, Sam Krupen, that in court the defense claimed, hey, the reason all this happened is because Diddy's actually been high for 24 years?

[Sam Kruepen]

That's a defense pretty much. They said he's been a drug addict for 25 years. It made him erratic, it made him do all these things. Diddy even said in his testimony that he was a drug addict and that was not him. His kids testified as saying, look, he's been sober the last 14 months, the first time he's been sober off opiates and the Obama Molly and all the different stuff that he was on. But again, it's forced sobriety, Nancy. Right. Do you think had that hotel video not come out, had he not get caught, as the judge said, would the drug use have stopped? This is just, look, if anybody is forced to go to jail and has a drug or alcohol problem, you're gonna have to sober up one way or the other.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I was looking at Sam, the video that he submitted to, and I'm going to play a little bit of that in just a moment.

[Sam Kruepen]

Sure.

[Nancy Grace]

But instead of making me feel positively toward Combs, it made me feel the opposite because I saw all of the advantages, all of the money, all of the opportunities that he had. But yet he squandered it in the worst way, doing unspeakable acts. You know, most people don't have the money and the advantage and the privilege that Combs had the family to love, the beautiful mansions, the cars, the private jet. He had all of that, Sam. Instead of using it for anything good, he used it for pure evil.

[Sam Kruepen]

Yeah, I mean, show, you know, show, you know, they always say like, like give a man money and see who he really is. And I think we saw this love sick drunk on power. I think we see as Americans and our culture, we idolize celebrities just because we love a lot of the music and the entertainment he's brought us. We still need to understand that what he did to women, it's disgusting that the Cassie Ventura Intercontinental video is something that will stay in all of our minds and will scar us forever. Every time they play that, it took your stomach out. You know, it's just so.

[Lynn Shaw]

It.

[Sam Kruepen]

This, you know, it's just disgusting. Anytime a man talks down to a woman or lifts a hand to a woman, it is just something that I have no patience for. And I agree to you. You know, we, we let him get away with this because we want to. We don't, we don't want to hate our idols, you know, and this celebrity brings a whole new thing. If he wasn't a celebrity, we could probably all agree to throw the key away, you know, lock him up and throw the key away. But I think so many people are so emotionally. I mean, look at the video. Kicking a woman. I mean, it's despicable behavior. And as the government was saying, this is the real Sean Combs. That 11 minute wedding video that we've seen that was well orchestrated, well edited, looked like a Nike commercial almost. That's something you play at a Super Bowl. To me, it felt a little inappropriate that they even let that video be played in the court because they didn't let a video be played of all of Cassie's highlights and her being a mother and all the wonderful things she did, we just got to see Sean Combs celebrated. And frankly, I thought it on the defense, it was kind of a mistake and a little bit inappropriate. I thought they should have given themselves the light and gotten out. You know, it was a comedian. When they stay on stage too long, we call that a bomb. And that's a little bit of what started to happen with the defense. But like you said, it worked. So maybe, you know, their tactics worked.

[Nancy Grace]

It worked. And he really, really used his children. I want you to hear what he said.

[Sam Kruepen]

So instead of talking about the guns and the violence, I was always talking about a better life, Places, Places we didn't go before, things we never wore, cars we never drove, houses we never lived in. I think I brought an aspiration to hip hop. Tried to take it out of just being street. Our whole stuff was a fantasy and a dream, a dream that I always felt would come true.

[Nancy Grace]

Is anybody hearing this? Because what we hear him say right there, the aspirations, a better life, places we didn't go, things we never wore, cars we never drove, houses we never lived in.

[Sam Kruepen]

Right.

[Nancy Grace]

All material things. That's the aspiration, is to wear nice clothes, live in mansions, drive fancy cars. I mean, I pray to God that is not what I'm teaching my children. I want them to know how to be good people, to love the Lord, to help other people, to be kind and generous and patient. Not what car I didn't drive, what mansion I didn't live in, what designer clothes I didn't wear. This is all bass ackwards.

[Sam Kruepen]

Yeah. No, I say, you know, Nancy, it's like the simple teachings of Jesus. I'm Jewish, but. But, you know, even I know, do unto others as you want done to yourself. You reap what you sow. And I think, just like you said, Nancy, I have sons, and there is. There's. Then I've totally failed them as a father. If they could ever talk down or lift a hand to a woman and, you know. Yeah, this is just. I mean, this is something like you mentioned, all the material things, the cars, the mansions. I think this is a deeper problem with American culture, is we celebrate millionaires. You know, I've had a lot before.

[Nancy Grace]

You go off on American culture and reminder, Sam, you and I both have the same Lord, regardless of where we go on Fridays and Sundays.

[Sam Kruepen]

Exactly.

[Nancy Grace]

Sam, I got a question. The children were in court, correct?

[Sam Kruepen]

Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

I heard that they were squirming around as the prosecution was describing what was done to the victims.

[Sam Kruepen]

I mean, look, the kids. I really feel for the kids. When they gave their statements, when the twins got up there, they were begging for their father back. So as a father, I mean, I didn't see them squirming around so much like you're saying. I mean, I think everybody's been pretty respectful in the courtroom. And when all the kids got up there, what I saw was, honestly, children who love their father and they were begging for their father to come home. And I honestly, I was tearing up. It was very emotional. Emotional. But no, I didn't see them necessarily fidgeting around or being disrespectful at all. I think people are very careful in that Courtroom to watch your expressions. I mean, if you start to fall asleep, if you're chewing gum, they come right up to you and they will kick you out of the courtroom. So they don't, they don't really take a lot of, you know, hums and ahs in there.

[Nancy Grace]

I want to hear what he said in his video about his children.

[Sam Kruepen]

Listen, today, now I'm a full time dad and I'm gonna be there for you through everything, all of y'. All. Every Sunday, I gotta slow everything down, do the family ritual, get the family together, make sure the girls watching church.

[Nancy Grace]

There is a definition of grace.

[Sam Kruepen]

It looks good.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, more about being a good dad to Dr. Bethany Marshall. All those nights all over the world taping free coughs with him buck naked, wearing a burqa over his head. You know, where was he then? Who was taking care of his children? I mean, I just find that he's using his children to try and get a light sentence. And guess what? It worked.

[Lynn Shaw]

It did work, Nancy. You know, when I saw that video earlier today, I thought, this is just one more manipulation. But this time the attorneys are participating in it. And this is how he seduced his victims in the first place. He was manipulative. You know, I remember seeing a video at the beginning of all of this, one of his freak offs. It was on a ship and his sons were there. So he involved and incorporated his sons into these sex parties. That is not a good dad. And the reason those kids are crying is because their dad rejected and abandoned them a long time ago. And they have been led to believe by the court, by the court, that if they just put themselves out there and speak honestly about wanting their dad back, that their wish would be granted.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I'm thinking about the sentence and what it means to not only the victims in this case, but rape victims and abuse victims all over the world. Lynn Shaw, what does it mean?

[Lynn Shaw]

It means to them abject failure. What happened today, Today was an opportunity for this judge. Can you imagine, Nancy, if he gave a really stiff sentence to Sean Combs, to Diddy, how that would have reverberated? Finally, victims would say somebody, somebody. Because it's the same words all the time. Somebody of wealth and power always wins over us. If this judge really stuck to his guns and it seemed during the day he was going to be a little stiffer in the sentence and he wasn't, that would have really meant so much to victims. They could finally say, we have somebody being held accountable. We are winning. I have always said this is not just about Sean Combs, this case. It was about not just this one man. It was overall. And I'm really sick and tired of our society. It's the justice system. And it's also society normalizing and becoming habituated to these horrific crimes. I mean, do you hear what we're talking about? Urinating in mouths, dragging, beating sores, infections. We're talking about horrible things that just rolling off our tongues. So society's becoming habituated. In the meantime, we are forgetting about the victims. I don't care what sentencing guides are any of that.

[Nancy Grace]

You're talking about a big societal problem. I'm talking about a real concrete problem and that is this sentence.

[Lynn Shaw]

Yeah.

[Nancy Grace]

And I'm telling you right now, wherever they are, the defense attorney are all together and that they're at a five star restaurant and they are celebrating. They're like the pigs around the table in Animal Farm celebrating the mistreatment of others. And you know what? He may have a light sentence, he may. But when he gets out, he will be having supper with Satan. I'm telling you, what he did will never be forgotten. And I pray that he does come out of jail a changed person. But when you don't know a horse, you look at his track record. Tonight, on this dark night for crime victims and women all over the world, we stop and we remember heroes. Heroes that against all odds, in the face of likely defeat, continue to come forward and let their voices be heard. Nancy Grace signing off. Good night. Hi, I'm Morgan. I have three kids.

[Lynn Shaw]

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Sam Kruepen]

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[Sam Kruepen]

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