DIDDY TO WALK FREE?

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: DIDDY TO WALK FREE?
Date: September 24, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Nancy Grace and a panel of legal, psychological, and news experts dissect the latest courtroom maneuvers by Sean "Diddy" Combs (aka Puff, Puff Daddy, Love, etc.), who is seeking an early release from jail after a divisive trial and 13 months of detention. The discussion focuses on his claims of being on suicide watch, his legal strategies, the authenticity of his pleas for leniency, and the broader implications for victims, justice, and celebrity accountability.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Diddy's Emergency Hearing and Suicide Watch Claims

• Combs' Legal Move: Diddy is requesting an emergency hearing for early release, citing being on suicide watch and deteriorating jail conditions, particularly food quality.
  • Nancy Grace (02:09): "Diddy on suicide watch. That's right. This as he demands an emergency hearing to walk free."
• Panel consensus: Skepticism about the legitimacy of his suicide watch claim.
  • Rob Sheeter (05:36): "He thinks he's winning at the minute... I don't buy the suicide watch at all."

2. Narcissism, Manipulation, and the Validity of Suicide Risks

• Narcissism & Manipulation: Experts argue that Diddy exhibits classic signs of narcissism, often manipulating the system for personal benefit.
  • Nancy Grace (06:05): "Isn't that what a narcissist is? And do narcissists who love themselves that much commit suicide?"
  • Dr. John de la Torre (07:44): "This is the high level of narcissism that we come to expect with individuals with too much power having these kinds of perverted deviancies."
• Real vs. Performative Risk:
  • De la Torre (08:15): "This is the type of person that is not going to commit suicide."
  • Rob Sheeter (08:39): "He's playing this game and thinking that he's winning because that's all part of the narcissism and power and control."
• Offensiveness to Real Victims: Using claims of suicide to seek sympathy is seen as exploiting genuine sufferers.
  • Nancy Grace (09:58): "To see somebody pretend to be suicidal and use it to try to get out of jail early, I don't like that when real victims suffer real consequences."

3. System Gaming and Sympathy Pleas

• "Working the System":
  • Nancy Grace (15:03): "We have both seen inmates work the system right... is that what Combs is doing? I mean, I'm on suicide watch to get better treatment, to get out of jail, to get on a different cell block."
  • Trey Lovell (15:28): "They're trying to get some sympathy for him... We need to get him out of there now."
• Legal Strategy: Defense is "throwing everything against the wall" to secure Diddy's release.
  • Nancy Grace (17:15): "He's literally throwing everything against the wall like it's spaghetti."
  • Lauren Conlon & Lynn Shaw (18:09): "He's saying everything he can... At one turn a messiah to other inmates, then on suicide watch, then an inspiration—just seeking a lever that works."

4. Letters of Support and Questionable Character References

• Letters' Credibility: Most letters in support of Diddy are critiqued as coming from people financially dependent on him.
  • Nancy Grace (29:14): "Most of those letters are from colleagues and people that are living off him?"
  • Rob Sheeter (33:02): "Everybody, including family members, are all there because he pays for everything... They're all living off him."
• False Equivalence of Wealth and Redemption:
  • Nancy Grace (34:39): "Just because you have money does not mean you are above the law."
  • Trey Lovell (34:59): "No, the judge doesn't care [about perfume sales]. He's going to look at the facts of the case, conviction, what he was convicted of."

5. Food Complaints, Jail Conditions, and The Real Issues

• Diddy's Complaints: Diddy cites bad food ("no fresh mango") and maggots as further reasons for early release.
  • Nancy Grace replaying Combs' Instagram (45:13): "I'm not going to allow myself to not have mango. I hustle hard."
  • Lauren Conlon (46:46): "Yes, the food is awful. What do you expect? You are in federal jail in Brooklyn, New York. It's not going to be the Four Seasons."
• Reality Check from Warden:
  • Dr. Duane Hendricks (47:17): "When you're trying to feed 3,000 people the same meal, the taste is not going to be the same... it's jail."
  • Nancy Grace (47:54): "That's why you don't have free coughs with unconscious women. And that's why you don't transport sex workers across state lines, which is a crime, so you don't have to eat jail food."

6. Violent History, Victim Trauma, and Accountability

• Pattern of Accusations and Escapes:
  • Instances of acquittal or dismissal in severe allegations (shootings, sex crimes, the Tupac Shakur hit), creating the perception of repeated avoidance of accountability.
    • Nancy Grace (51:54): "Witness testimony that Sean Combs ordered a million dollar hit on Tupac Shakur. And once again, there he is, out of jail. How many chances does one guy get?"
• Marginalized Victims: Focus on the emotional scars and long-term trauma experienced by Combs' alleged victims.
  • Lynn Shaw (22:03): "He destroyed so many lives and he has no shame... victims and survivors of these crimes feel like the justice system is never on their side."

7. The Justice System, Rehabilitation, and Celebrity Influence

• Cynicism & Hope: Panelists question whether celebrity money and influence will once more allow Combs to "walk free" despite a long pattern of accusations.
  • Nancy Grace (39:51): "He's doing this again, arguably because he thinks it works. He thinks this will get him off. And I'm afraid to say, Nancy, it might."
• True Rehabilitation:
  • Dr. Duane Hendricks (36:23): "If he was truly humble, he would say, I've been convicted of these crimes. I understand that I need to make some changes in my life..."
  • Trey Lovell (41:13): "You can be a changed person while you're in jail doing your hard time, right? You don't have to get out and get back at the Met Gala to be a changed man."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Diddy’s "Extraordinary" Life:
  • Nancy Grace (03:33): “What's extraordinary? What about all those freak offs, all those black eyes, all those bruises his victims got ... I find him extremely ordinary, just like every other pimp in the jailhouse.”
• On Manipulating the System:
  • Nancy Grace (15:03): “I've had inmates job the system... is that what Combs is doing? ... He's a master manipulator, Trey.”
• On Suicide Watch vs. Two-Hour Watch:
  • Dr. Duane Hendricks (23:47): "He's not on suicide watch. ... He's on a two hour watch program that's associated with either monitoring inmates who have escape risk or are very problematic to the operations."
• On the Value of Support Letters:
  • Rob Sheeter (33:02): “All these letters are from people who rely on Puff and his money.”
  • Nancy Grace (34:39): “Just because you have money does not mean you are above the law."
• On Victim Trauma:
  • Lynn Shaw (22:03): "Sometimes it doesn't rear its ugly head for five, ten years and then it comes out full force. This dirty ditty degenerate. He destroyed so many lives and he has no shame."
• On Jail Food and Expectations:
  • Lauren Conlon (46:46): "You are in federal jail in Brooklyn, New York. It's not going to be the Four Seasons."
  • Dr. Duane Hendricks (47:17): "The food is supposed to be palatable and edible. ... It's not going to be five star."
• On Celebrity Redemption:
  • Trey Lovell (41:13): "You can be a changed person while you're in jail... you don't have to get out and get back at the Met Gala to be a changed man."

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Noted Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:09: Nancy announces Diddy’s suicide watch and emergency hearing bid.
• 05:36: Panel questions validity of suicide watch claim.
• 08:15: Dr. John de la Torre analyzes Diddy's psychology.
• 15:03: Nancy and Trey Lovell discuss "jobbing the system".
• 18:07: Panel lists Diddy's shifting tactics for sympathy/early release.
• 22:03: Lynn Shaw details victim trauma and Diddy's lack of accountability.
• 23:47: Dr. Duane Hendricks explains the difference between suicide watch and two-hour monitoring.
• 29:14: Discussion of letters of support for Diddy.
• 33:02: Rob Sheeter deconstructs the reliability of Combs' support system.
• 34:39: Nancy and panel debate whether commercial success outweighs criminal behavior.
• 36:23: Dr. Hendricks explains true humility and rehabilitation.
• 39:51: Nancy and Rob discuss the cyclical nature of Diddy’s apologies and tactics.
• 46:46: Food complaints and jail reality check.
• 49:46: Suck it up: response to complaints about prison food.
• 51:54: High-profile accusations and history of Combs escaping consequences.

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Conclusion

Nancy Grace and her expert guests present a critical, sometimes fiery, perspective on Sean Combs' attempts to secure an early release following conviction. The consensus is deep skepticism toward his claims, especially regarding suicide risk and jail suffering, and condemnation of how he leverages his celebrity and financial influence. The panel underscores that the true suffering lies with his alleged victims, whose traumas are lifelong, and worries aloud about whether justice will again elude a powerful, well-connected defendant. The overriding question: Will Diddy walk free—again—and what does that mean for justice and real accountability in celebrity crime cases?

Transcript

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Diddy wants out. The disgraced rapper makes yet another bid at an early release from jail after 13 months of detention following a split verdict in his divisive trial.

[Nancy Grace]

Diddy wants out. That's why he said he wants out. So does every other cellmate, every other inmate on the block. They all want out. Why do they want out? They're in jail. Why are they in jail? Because of something they did and for which they are convicted. I guess he does want out. What about it, Rob Sheeter? Is he missing that private chef? Is he missing the minions that go out at 3am and find him freshly made cheesecake and bring back to him and take a bite and go. Here you go, Didi. Here comes the plane. Open the Runway.

[Rob Sheeter]

He's definitely missing his life. He wouldn't miss that life. He had one of the most extraordinary lives of anybody on this planet. But he blew it. He broke the law.

[Nancy Grace]

Put him up, get tomes off the beach, eating fresh mango. Please stop. The most extraordinary life. See, when I think of extraordinary lives, I think of Mother Teresa. I think of Billy Graham, I think of Craig, I think of the Pope. I think of all the people that have done good works. What's extraordinary about selling perfume? Help me out here. What's extraordinary? What about all those freak offs, all those black eyes, all those bruises his victims got the prostitution charges across state lines? What's extraordinary? I find him extremely ordinary, just like every other pimp in the jailhouse.

[Rob Sheeter]

Yeah, I get your point, Nancy. And he probably hasn't done anything extraordinary. But there is no doubt the life that he led, the power, the money, the prestige that he once had. It's questionable whether or not he still has that. But that life was a pretty extraordinary life.

[Nancy Grace]

And his way, you say that just gets under my skin. You talk about Combs like he's some icon. The power, the many. The way you say. Say that it's just like dirt in my mouth. Did you not see the bruises on those women? Did you not hear the testimony about how one had been with all these sex workers and went in the shower and vomited and he goes put on some makeup ho and get back out there. Really? That's extraordinary.

[Rob Sheeter]

It is extraordinary. This is not ordinary, Nancy. This is not ordinary behavior. The reason he got away with it for so long was because of his power, his money. And some would argue he is still getting away with it. Now, this was not the verdict that a lot of people wanted. I think it's naive to pretend that his power and his money is not a big part of who Diddy and the myth of Diddy is.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, here's the other thing. The whole thing about suicide watch. Do you really think that Sean Combs would kill himself? Because Sean Combs loves Sean Combs more than anybody else in the world.

[Rob Sheeter]

Yeah, absolutely. No, I don't buy it at all. If he was going to kill himself, he would have done it already at the moment to bean cones, Puffy Sean, whatever you want to call him, he thinks he's winning at the minute. This is not a humble man. From all the sources I've spoken to. He's empowered. He feels like he's going to be coming out soon and he thinks he's going to be back on top. So, no, I don't buy the suicide watch at all. If he was going to kill himself, it would have already happened.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, I'm just wondering and I don't want to negate the possibility of it being legit. To Dr. John de la Torre joining me. I need a shrink. Dr. De la Torre, renowned psychologist, mediator, specializing in forensic psychology. It's hard for us to. On the outside, to look in, but everything I have seen of Sean Combs, he uses the system. He's gotten off time after time after time. The woman that got shot in the face in the nightclub says, combs shot me. And he was acquitted. Tupac Shakur. Witness says Combs took out a million dollar hit, yet he walked. I mean, it just happens over and over again. Parading out his own children to do that birthday video to try to gin up sympathy amongst the jury. Bringing in his children, including young, impressionable girls, during the testimony about forcing women to have sex with sex workers, drugging them. You're seeing it right now from at Prince JDC on Insta. Using other people, using mules to carry his dope, using women, using the mothers of his children. It just, it just, it's nasty. Isn't that what a narcissist is? And do narcissists who love themselves that much commit suicide? I don't understand. I'm just a trial lawyer. You tell me.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

Yeah, I think yes, number one, this is the high level of narcissism that we come to expect with individuals with too much power having these kinds of perverted deviancies. Now, when it comes to, is someone capable, is a narcissist capable of committing suicide? The answer is yes, but under really specific circumstances.

[Nancy Grace]

I swear, I think he's getting his feet and his legs exfoliated. Stop everything.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

This, yeah, this, this is the type of person that is not going to commit suicide. He truly believes that the moment that he gets out all of this stuff, right, this private plane, right, all these people as his servants are going to be there for him, to subjugate themselves to him once again. So is he actually legitimately a high risk to commit suicide?

[Rob Sheeter]

No.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

And I. That takes away from the individuals who are a high risk to commit suicide. He's playing this game and thinking that he's winning because that's all part of the narcissism and power and control that he believes. The delusional Belief that he has over the people around him. And he's been getting away with it, so that's why he continues to use it.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. De la Torre. I've had crime victims commit suicide. A rape victim, she just couldn't live with it anymore. I had a colleague commit suicide, and I did not see it coming. And I thought I knew him so well. Just walked into San Francisco Bay. That was it. And drowned. I didn't see it coming. So the pain that suicides cause to those around you. I remember as a little girl in sixth, seventh grade, a friend of ours. Mom committed suicide. Nobody could believe it. I remember she used to call in the local radio station WMAZ and talk on the chat line in the mornings. And she was so bubbly and funny, just hilarious. And her little girls, I think she had three girls, were just devastated when their mom, who was like the charismatic one of the family, killed herself. So it leaves behind a wake of pain that never goes away. And it's handed down, like the way they raise their children, the way they raise their children and so forth and so on. But to see somebody pretend to be suicidal and use it to try to get out of jail early, I don't like that when real victims suffer real consequences.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

And that's what gets lost here, right? That there's. There are real people. He victimized real people. And these people have to live with the shame and the trauma, and they. We hope that they're getting the help that they need so that they're not wearing this mask that things are okay when things are not okay. And so now we have Diddy here, putting on this.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

The.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

This air of, oh, my God, my life is so bad because I'm in prison. Well, don't. Don't hurt people. If he didn't hurt people, if he. If he used his power and his money, if he used his influence to actually help people, then he wouldn't be in this predicament. He made choices. His narcissistic, deviant behaviors put him in this position to be in prison. And now he's saying that he's too weak to actually commit the crime.

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Going now to a veteran trial lawyer from the Lovell Firm. Trey Lovell is joining us. And again, I can't stress enough veteran trial lawyer Trey, if you could just take off your defense hat in just one moment and be real. You and I have both seen inmates work the system right. They work it to a way in a way that benefits them. I remember after my first I was first assigned to the busiest courtroom in the courthouse in inner city Atlanta. We were on trial every other week for a variety of reasons. I went into my first plea negotiation. That judge would have the DA sit down with the defendant and their lawyer to work out a deal and they spotted that I wore a cross every day the next week for plea and arraignment they all came in with big crocheted crosses this big around their chest and sat there. I'm like.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Stop.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so they were trying to work it to get a better deal out of me. See what I mean? That's just a tiny example of jobbing the system. Is that what Combs is doing? I mean, I'm on suicide watch to get better treatment, to get out of jail, to get on a different cell block. What is he doing? He's a master manipulator, Trey.

[Trey Lovell]

Well, they're trying to get some sympathy for him, saying, look, you know, he sees it's devastating in jail, conditions are horrible. It's on suicide watch. He's got seven kids and a mom to take care of. He's already suffered. We need to get him out of there now. This is all part of the ploy to try to.

[Nancy Grace]

Trey Lovell. He knows where babies come from. He's got seven children. Yeah. You have to support them. That was his decision. I'm sure Sean Combs knows where babies come from. Lovell.

[Trey Lovell]

Listen, he's got the opportunity now to really get a lenient sense. And what I mean is he beat most of the prosecution on serious charges. He's looking at two charges of pamphlet engaged in prosecution and the fact that he's got no prior convictions. Supposedly he's changed in jail. He's helping people. This is an opportunity that his lawyers are jumping on to get him out. They're going to use everything they can. Sympathy. He's a changed man. The crime is not that as serious as the others. It's a consensual, nonviolent crime. Your honor, he can do better outside.

[Nancy Grace]

Did you say non violent? You know what? You, you, you really do take the cake. You really do beat all of them. Non violent. Control room, if you don't mind. Send her his text. The photos of all those bruises women suffered at Sean Combs hands. And in the meantime, listen to this. Judge Subramanian may hear arguments on Combs desperate motion for a new trial ahead of sentencing.

[Lauren Conlon]

Combs claims freak offs are a first.

[Nancy Grace]

Amendment right and that he can't be prosecuted under the MANN act for hiring.

[Lauren Conlon]

Escorts that he did not have sex with.

[Nancy Grace]

Prosecutors argued the MANN act does not.

[Lauren Conlon]

Distinguish and there was more than enough.

[Nancy Grace]

Evidence to support comey convictions. Joining me right now, Tisa tells investigative reporter. Start off. Tisa tells on YouTube. Tisa an emergency hearing. He has dragged us all back to court over and over and over for his repeated bond hearings, including an appeal bond after the conviction. Still Claiming, let me out, I don't deserve to be here. Wake up, comes look around, you're convicted. This is home sweet home for a long time to come. Why does he want an emergency hearing? Why else? Because he is literally throwing everything against the wall like it's spaghetti.

[Lauren Conlon]

At this point I feel like I'm.

[Lynn Shaw]

Starring in an X rated version of Sonny with a chance of meatballs.

[Lauren Conlon]

He is saying everything he can. First, he is a messiah to the prison, inspiring others.

[Lynn Shaw]

Then he might be on suicide watch.

[Nancy Grace]

But he thinks he's going to get out.

[Lauren Conlon]

But the community loves them.

[Nancy Grace]

And by the way, he inspired everybody.

[Lauren Conlon]

By selling a million bottles of perfume.

[Nancy Grace]

He's doing what he can with he.

[Lynn Shaw]

Can and to a certain point you can't blame him.

[Lauren Conlon]

One, because even the devil wants to survive.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, he's not saying to Jesus, okay, take me out now.

[Lauren Conlon]

So one, he's doing what he is.

[Lynn Shaw]

Evil, likes to survive.

[Lauren Conlon]

But for two, his lawyers did the unthinkable.

[Lynn Shaw]

They literally got him out of the more serious offenses.

[Lauren Conlon]

And now instead of being humble, instead of taking his punishment like he should, instead of having any sense of decency because he got, if you listen to.

[Nancy Grace]

Rob Shooter and everyone else, he got.

[Lauren Conlon]

To where he is by being shameless.

[Lynn Shaw]

He now thinks he can do his.

[Nancy Grace]

Final trick and escape any type of accountability. Thank goodness. It looks like Judge Aaron is not buying it.

[Lynn Shaw]

But again, you never know. So why is he doing it?

[Lauren Conlon]

Simply because he can. This is a man that for his entire life he did things to other.

[Lynn Shaw]

People'S bodies, both mentally, physically and sexually because he could. And when it comes to justice system, nothing has changed. I think that's why he's doing it.

[Nancy Grace]

Straight out to Rob Sheeter joining us, host of Naughty but Nice podcast. He's at robsheeter.substack.com and former PR guru to Sean comes. See this is what I don't like. I don't like him using other suicide victims and their families, the people that love them, using that to try to work the system. Did you ever once in all the time you worked with Sean Combs, AKA Diddy, did you ever see him self harm? Did you ever hear of suicidal ideation? Did he ever put anybody else before himself?

[Rob Sheeter]

Three questions, three answers. Nancy. No, no, no. I never ever saw him ever try to harm himself. Harming other people is what Puffy did. He doesn't harm himself. He is the center of his universe. Diddy loves one person on this planet and that person is Diddy. He would never ever hurt himself. Now Would he hurt other people to give himself pleasure? We've seen that very clear. The answer to that is yes. But the suicide watch is really concerning, Nancy, not only because of the shame that this does to people who really are, who really are on suicide watch. This also potentially, and may I even dare say maybe work. He has pulled a lot of things out of the hat, Nancy, and I'm afraid to say many of them have.

[Nancy Grace]

Worked out of the hat. I think he's pulling it out of something else, but I can't say it on the air. Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive of Lynn's warriors, which is committed to saving victims from trafficking and abuse. If you look her up, you'll see her constantly leading one march after the next in Washington, always fighting the good fight. Lynn shaw, I have seen the mental and emotional turmoil that sex attack victims live through. They have suicidal thoughts. They can't get away from it because of what was done to them. And that feeling of powerlessness, it never goes away. The scars may go away, the bruising may go away, the cuts, the bleeding, that may go away, but the emotional scars never go away. It affects them for the rest of their lives. And I think Sean Combs is trading off other people's pain to try to get out of jail free.

[Lynn Shaw]

Well, of course he is, Nancy, because this is his playbook, first of all, AKA Dirty Diddy, degenerate. You know what? He's like a piece of old gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe and I can't shake him. We work every single day with victims of sexual exploitation, sexual crimes, rapes. Okay, this is so offensive. You know what? It is so offensive because these people we work with, these young women, older women, girls even, are so traumatized. This is not something you get attacked. It goes away. As you've pointed out. This is a lifelong trauma. Sometimes it doesn't rear its ugly head for five, 10 years and then it comes out full force. This dirty ditty degenerate. He destroyed so many lives and he has no shame. We've seen this over and over again, total, total destruction. I find this completely offensive. But you know what? There's something to it because as Rob Shooter pointed out, he seems to just have get away with everything, no accountability. And you know what a slap in the face that is to all of the victims and survivors of these crimes. They feel like the justice system is never on their side. And they also say to me, you know what? You have a couple of bucks and that's all that everybody cares about. What a disgrace this man is to.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. Duane Hendricks joining us, former warden at MDC in Brookly, former senior warden, US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons founder and president of a New Daylight foundation, author of who Are you? See it, say it, seize it. It goes on and on. Dr. Hendricks, thank you for being with us. Did you tell me that you don't believe Sean Combs is on suicide watch?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

No, he's not on suicide watch. What? He is, he's on a two hour watch program that's associated with either monitoring inmates who have escape risk or are very problematic to the operations of the.

[Nancy Grace]

Institution who are very delicate and don't like the food.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

That not, not that Nancy, but or inmates who are at suicide risk. So he is, he is not happy with having to every two hours approach a staff member, whether it's an officer or someone else in the building, approach them with his ID to prove that one, he is alive, that he is not causing any issues and he is not at risk of suicide or having any suicidal ideation at that time. So that's what his lawyers are referring to when he said he's on constant suicide watch. Because ultimately how can he be on constant suicide watch while facilitating entrepreneurship classes and other self improvement things to other inmates in the building if he's constantly on suicide watch? He would have to be taken to another.

[Nancy Grace]

Wait a minute. So Dr. Duane Hendricks, no offense to you since you have been the former warden at mdc, but so you're telling me you know more than Fox News, CBS, NBC, ABC, YouTube, let's see here, Yahoo, blah blah blah blah. They all say he's on suicide watch. But you, Dr. Duane Hendricks, say you're all wrong. Why?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

I'm saying they're wrong because they are calling it suicide watch when I'm saying he's on a two hour watch program. And I saw it in one of the reports when I was reading articles yesterday that Mr. Combs is upset that he has to constantly present his ID card to a staff member every two hours. And that's what his attorneys are referring to. As far as he's on constant suicide while he's not on watch. He's, he is being monitored closely because of possible risk and also because of his high profile nature and that kind of thing. But there's no way that he would be moving in and out of his unit every couple of hours. I mean every couple of days while teaching and improving inmates lives through showing them how to be entrepreneurs while he's.

[Nancy Grace]

Trying to mitigate his hold on Duane Hendricks. Wait, hook, line and sinker man, he got you right by the mouth. Helping inmates, teaching entrepreneurship, what, how to, how to throw a freak off.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Well, if somebody's lying, I mean, either, either he's on suicide watch or he's teaching these classes. And I don't know who he's teaching and I don't know who's listening to him because I also saw a report where they were saying the inmate approached him with a homemade knife in a, in a, in a unit with individuals that are charged with crimes similar to his. He's not in there with hardened inmates. I've never seen a shank in that part of the jail that he's at in a dorm style unit. And he supposedly had talked this inmate down from stabbing him and all this kind of stuff. So all these stories are all, they all made up. But I do believe he's on a two hour watch program.

[Nancy Grace]

But I'm not suicide watch.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

He's not. He's on a two hour watch program. And we use that in various ways in the Bureau of Prisons depending on again, the security level of the institution and then specifically this particular individual who is high profile, who may be at suicide risk, depending on what the decision is made next Friday because I'm telling you right now, he's looking forward to getting on that private jet. But if he is sentenced to more than about 24 months, his next flight is going to be on a Conair plane and he's going to be handcuffed and Martin chained for three to four hours out of every flight until he gets to his destination. So I'm sure his anxiety level is pretty high because he's not really sure which plane he's going to be on. Either he's going to be on a Con Air flight with the US Marshals or he'll be probably planning on some sort of freak off situation if he gets to get that private jet to his private jet, if he's given a year day or time served sentence. So I'm sure his anxiety level is pretty high right now.

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[Nancy Grace]

Okay. What? Okay. Joining me right now is Lauren Conlon, Star Pop Crime TV on YouTube. Wait just a minute. He is now saying what, he should get out of jail on time served because what?

[Lauren Conlon]

Correct, Nancy. Diddy's attorneys are arguing that he should serve no more than 14 months time served and when he gets Out. He'll be on supervised released. He'll do group therapy, drug therapy. Their argument, I mean, it's. It's incredibly long. They cite that he has not only gotten sober in jail, but he has helped others through therapy, through group settings, and he is a changed man here. And also, Nancy, he got more than 75 letters of support from families and. And celebrities.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, isn't it true that most of those letters are from colleagues and people that are living off of him?

[Lauren Conlon]

That's. That's actually. That's a good point. I actually didn't think of that. But. But correct. His baby mamas, Sarah Chapman, Dana Tran.

[Nancy Grace]

How did you not think of that? Lauren Conlon. I mean, when you look at a witness that you're considering putting on the stand or using their letter of recommendation, you weigh their veracity, their credibility. What, if anything, do they have to gain or lose based on what they tell the court? Almost every one of these people, without exception, are living off Sean Combs. Yeah, they got a lot to lose. They might have to go get a job. What about that?

[Lauren Conlon]

Well, you could argue. That's fair. You could argue young Miami is technically not living off Sean Combs. Dallas Austin is not living off Sean Combs. However, I didn't think those letters were anything spectacular. Dallas Austin's letter, I thought it was very lackluster. He kind of just chopped it up.

[Nancy Grace]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're the one that brought up Young Miami. Not real name. Now, isn't it true that Young Miami accused of transporting pink cocaine for Combs.

[Lauren Conlon]

That's an allegation. There have been many allegations. She has never been charged for that, but she. Her letter actually was decent, Nancy. I mean, she talked about how.

[Nancy Grace]

Quit telling me about her letter supporting Sean Combs. She is accused of transporting pink cocaine for him as a mule. Isn't that true? Yes, yes.

[Lauren Conlon]

But she has never been charged.

[Nancy Grace]

Isn't it true that she. Isn't it true that she posted a video of herself at a dress fitting for her Met Gala appearance with.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Comes.

[Nancy Grace]

Correct.

[Lauren Conlon]

And she does cite that as well. She cited. That opened a lot of doors for her.

[Nancy Grace]

Colin. That's a yes. No. Dear Colin, have you ever been invited to the Met Gala? Have you? Yes. No.

[Lauren Conlon]

To cover for press? Yes, I have, but not as. Not as an intended.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, okay. So let me rephrase my question. Have you ever been invited as guest at the Met Gala? Not one of the fringe on the side going, hey, hey, hey, question, question. Or taking a picture. I mean, one of the people that go up the red carpet and post. Can we see the gala photos of Sean Combs in his cape, please? Ever. Have you ever walked the red carpet at the Met Gala? Yes. No.

[Lauren Conlon]

No, I have not.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so how do you think young Miami got invited to the Met Gala? Think. Think thinky.

[Lauren Conlon]

Well, John Combs invited her and. And you're okay.

[Nancy Grace]

So, Rob Sheeter joining me, longtime PR guru, former publicist, Sean Combs. Is somebody trying to tell me that young Miami and everybody else is writing these letters? Aren't. Gosh, I'm trying to think of a nice way to say this. Aren't. They're like ticks sucking the blood out of Sean Combs bank account. They're all living off him. Yes. H E double L Y E S. They want him out of jail. They want him working again. They want him to push that perfume and the, the clothing and the comeback tour so they can live high on the hog. That is not worth a hill of beans to me.

[Rob Sheeter]

You are right, Nancy. I love Lauren. Collin. Hello, my friend. But on this instance, I think we have to disag everybody around Diddy. Pretty much everybody, including family members are all there because he pays for everything. Most of them get a salary from him. They get a monthly fee from him. All the money comes from Buff. When Puff can't make money, they can't either. And it's not just about money, Nancy. It's about power here. Being in his inner circle gave all these hanger ons. That's the word I would use. All these people who hung on it, gave them power that they do not have when the king is not around. So that's why they want him all out. They want their old lives back. And so that's why they are writing these letters saying lovely things about him. It's interesting, Nancy. None of the people that do not need Puff anymore, the Beyonce's, the Jay Z's, the Anna Winters, the Clyde Davis's people who once were his so called friends, none of those people have put a single note, a single letter together. All these letters are from people who rely on Puff and his money.

[Nancy Grace]

Let's just start with Lawanda AKA Lala Lane.

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[Nancy Grace]

Okay, well, that just rubbed me the wrong way, and I'll tell you why. Just because you have money does not mean you are above the law. Do you really think to you, Trey Lovell, you're the veteran defense attorney, that the judge cares that Sean Combs has sold a million dollars of perfume?

[Trey Lovell]

No, judge doesn't care. He's going to look at the facts of the case, conviction, what he was convicted of. He's going to look at other factors and come up with a sentence. I mean, you know, what's outside the courtroom they don't care about. They're looking at. Look at this guy. Has he been rehabilitated in any way? What have the conditions been? Like, what can he do if he does get out? It can be positive. And what is the crime he's convicted of? That's going to be the limitations the judge is going to look at.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, in my mind, to you, Dr. Duane Hendricks, you're the former warden at MDC. All of that commercial success comes as had to me, puts an even greater burden on him to do the right thing, to work with charity, to give money to help people that are less powerful or less cunning than he had. That he is. I've never heard anything about that. And he is claiming the reason he should be let out. This lawanda Lane, who's basically living off him, says he has sold a million bottles of perfume and that's why he should get out. Tell me something good. Tell me about volunteer work. Tell me about what a great dad you are, not how you were off in some hotel having a freak off while your children were at home with the babysitter. I mean, that is what would matter to me.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

And I wholeheartedly agree with you, Nancy. First of all, inmates aren't allowed or they shouldn't be allowed to run a business while they're behind bars. And if he was truly humble, he would say, I've been convicted of these crimes. I understand that I need to make some changes in my life, and I'm gonna be humble and judge. Whatever you see fit to sentence me, I will accept, though. I will accept that sentence, and I will use this time to make myself better. So that way, when I get out, I'm a better man, I'm a better father, and I'm gonna do community work to make sure that there is no other Sean Combs after me other than the good parts of myself. But everything is about complaining. It's about the food. It's about somebody's putting something in the food, is complaining about being on Suicide watch and this, that, and the other. At the end of the day, he needs to humble himself, accept whatever sentence comes his way. And at that point, when he gets his release date, he'll know what he needs to do to better himself so he can be a better. A better father, a better citizen, and so that others who aspire to live the life that he's lived can live it within a way, in a framework that doesn't cause damage and harm. Because the real victims here are the people that he harmed. His staff and ultimately his children as well. But we'll see. We'll see next Friday what shakes out at this hour.

[Nancy Grace]

Sean Combs, AKA Diddy, AKA Puffy, AKA Puff, AKA Puff Daddy, most recently, AKA Love, says he's on suicide watch and he's sick of jail food and therefore he should walk free on time served. Rob Shooter. We are hearing about how Sean Combs is a changed man. Okay? Why can't he be a changed man and do his jail time? I want you to watch this, Shooter.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

It's so difficult to reflect on the.

[Nancy Grace]

Darkest times in your life.

[Trey Lovell]

Sometimes you gotta do that.

[Nancy Grace]

I was up.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

I mean, I hit rock bottom.

[Nancy Grace]

But I make no excuses. My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

[Trey Lovell]

I take full responsibility for my actions in that video.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm disgusted.

[Trey Lovell]

I was disgusted then when I did it.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm disgusted now.

[Trey Lovell]

I went and I sought out professional help.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

I had to go into therapy and go into rehab.

[Nancy Grace]

Wow. Second verse, same as the first. Didn't he just say that he was so disgusted at beating Cassaventura when it was caught on video that he did it again? He did it again and again and again. He was so disgusted with himself. Ew. That he kept having freak off after freak off after freak off. One civil suit after the next after the next of ladies saying they were drugged and raped at his freak off parties. But he just kept doing it. What, out of self loathing? I don't think so. And now he's trying to. The same old shoe on the other foot. Same thing.

[Rob Sheeter]

You're right, Nancy. He's doing this again, arguably because he thinks it works. He thinks this will get him off. And I'm afraid to say, Nancy, it might. We don't know. We've already been very disappointed with one of these verdicts, and so I'm hoping we're not disappointed again. He's an incredibly smart marketer, PR guy, and he knows that this sort of stuff works. He's done it before, Nancy. He's doing it again. And so that's why we're seeing this. I don't think he's a changed man. I think he's a court man. This is a man who has been caught. And suddenly, now, suddenly he changes. We know better than you know.

[Nancy Grace]

And another thing, they're not mutually exclusive to you, Trey Lovell. You've gotten plenty of guys out of jail on more serious counts than this. But isn't it true you can be a changed person while you're in jail doing your hard time, right? You don't have to get out and get back at the Met Gala to be a changed man? And how many times is he going to use the same old thing? I'm sorry, I'm a changed man. I found the Lord. No offense, Lord. And how many times are people going to believe it? You think this judge hasn't heard this song? And as before, from every inmate that comes in front of him.

[Trey Lovell]

Now, you're absolutely right. The judge is going to take this with a grain of salt. But these are the things that he has to establish, take advantage of possibly getting a lenient sentence. The fact that he is a changed man, as shown by being incarcerated with. What has he done? He's helped other inmates. He stopped drinking. He now wants to educate people. And he will continue that on board. Now, whether or not we believe that. And it's very convenient to say that that's what he's got to say. That's what the judge has to hold his hands on to try to get the sense that he wants.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air tonight. Sean could claiming he can't wait for sentencing. He wants an emergency hearing right now. That he claims he is on suicide watch and he doesn't like the food. Okay, I'll tell you what he doesn't like. He doesn't like having people at his beck and call. And his life is different. For instance, speaking of the food. Listen.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Go to with the ocean as your backyard.

[Nancy Grace]

I ain't special.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

I just want it. I want it bad.

[Nancy Grace]

You feel me?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

I'm not going allow myself to not have mango.

[Nancy Grace]

I hustle hard. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

My way. No better.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean really. That's from Sean Combs Diddy's Instagram. Okay, there you go, shooter. He demands his fresh mango and he ain't getting it. He wants out of jail.

[Rob Sheeter]

Help me out, Nancy. I love it when you do that. You're absolutely right. He wants his life back. Who wouldn't want that life of. Of Diddy? That life of a superst. He, he. He's demanding. He knows what he wants. He's not getting it and he's throwing a little temper tantrum. But I should should point out we're not going to want to hear it. It often works for him. Nancy, this is a man who has not changed his ways because he has been rewarded for bad Behavior, the more ridiculous the videos are that he has posted in the past. The more likes he gets, the more people he gets talking about him. So I think it's unrealistic to expect this man to change now or ever.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me, Lauren Collins, star of pop crime tv. Lauren. He's also climbing. Speaking of fresh mango, did the food's really bad at mdc?

[Lauren Conlon]

Yes, the food is awful. He doesn't like it. At one point there were reports that he was on some kind of food strike. He's also said there are maggots everywhere. I mean, look, what do you expect? You are in federal jail in. In Brooklyn, New York. It's not going to be the Four Seasons.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, let's take that up with the former warden at the MDC, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks. Okay, MDC. He doesn't like the food. Thoughts?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Look, when you trying to feed 3,000 people the same meal, the taste is not going to be the same. The quality is not going to be the same. And at the end of the day, it's jail. You know, the food is supposed to be palatable and edible. An executive staff member is charged with eating one, sampling, one meal every single day to make sure it's edible. It's not going to be five star. It's not going to be some tastes like a chef that he's had over the years. It's not going to taste like that. So that's unfortunate. But that's jail. And if you don't want to eat.

[Nancy Grace]

That'S why you don't have free coughs with unconscious women. And that's why you don't transport sex workers across state lines, which is a crime, so you don't have to eat jail food. Okay, hold on. Does this ring a bell to you? Lunch menu. Scrambled eggs, chicken wraps, baked chicken, beef tacos. It goes on and on. That sounds pretty good to me. Rice, green beans. Dinner. Chili Mac, Salisbury steak. Oh, I'd like some Salisbury steak tonight, but I don't have that. I have to cook chicken fried rice weekends. Comfort food. Cheese pizza. Spinach. What? What? That doesn't sound bad to me. What about it, Hendricks?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

It's again, if that's the national menu, that's what all inmates eat in federal prison all across the country. Again, it's not the best quality. No, it tastes. It probably tastes a little less than what the schoolhouse square pizza we were getting public schools years ago, but that's just the way it is. Like you just said, Nancy, if you don't want to eat prison food, don't do prison things to get you there to be in the situation that you're in.

[Nancy Grace]

Prison things. Prison things. I like the way you said that. That sounds like something Trey Lovell would say. Prison things. You mean rape and transporting sex workers across state lines? Those prison things. Another thing, another argument the defense is making is that he really didn't transport sex workers across state line to have sex with them because most of the time he sat on the sides wearing a burqa and didn't actually have sex with the women himself. And I think we all know why he stayed under a burqa. But that said to you, rob shooter, Sean Combs doesn't wait to jail food. I don't. I don't want bokwe.

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Really?

[Nancy Grace]

Suck it up, man.

[Rob Sheeter]

Suck it up. You're asking a man who has not had to suck it up for decades to suck it up. He's not changing, Nancy. This is who he is. He's gonna complain, he's gonna bitch, he's gonna moan, he's gonna whine. And I fear he might even win. If you don't want to eat, stop it.

[Nancy Grace]

Go wash your mouth out with soap, young man. If the judge falls for this, you know what? Who's not gonna to fall for it is Lynn Shaw. Sean Combs. Diddy wants another chance. But oh, wait a minute. Listen to this. Lyn Shaw. Everybody get ready for a nuclear blast for Lynn Shaw. Watch this, Lynn. I watched them both fire their guns.

[Lynn Shaw]

I watched them.

[Nancy Grace]

I got hit right here in my.

[Lynn Shaw]

Nose, in between my eyes, which means.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm facing directly at you the same way you're sure that I have on a green shirt.

[Lynn Shaw]

I'm certain that he shot me.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

Now, was he aiming at me?

[Dr. Duane Hendricks]

Was I.

[Nancy Grace]

Was I the object of his fire? Absolutely not. I should not have been because I didn't do anything to him. That's from the Art of Dialogue. And that is a shooting victim at the nightclub identifying Sean Combs as shooting her. But guess what? He walked free and decided to be a changed man. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah, there's another case. Listen, Dwayne.

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[Trey Lovell]

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Lynn Shaw]

Why are we talking about Dirty Diddy and his bottles of perfume? Because those days are over. Because I predict, I don't care when he gets out. And he probably will. That's the reality of what's going on here with the justice system. He's not going to be welcomed back, in my opinion, into his world of vodkas and perfumes and clothing lines and things like that. But I want to remind everybody about this Mango man. We have true victims, survivors of his for decades, of his. His abuse that he's gotten away with. And you know what? They're right now shaking in their boots. They're scared. They're scared because they know that he seeks, you know, retribution. They're scared they don't have the power and the money to fight him. And I guarantee, see, I'm in New York City. There's been a lot over the decades about him simmering underneath. We have worked with victims that worked with him years ago, through the decades as well, who reported things to us. Do I have proof?

[Nancy Grace]

No.

[Lynn Shaw]

They reported things to us at the Warriors. And you know what? I'm worried about them. I'm not worried about him and his pretend maggots in his food. And this is that 1 in 4 kids in America go to bed hungry every night. So you know what I'm worried about? These victims probably in the thousands if the numbers were truly to be told from all of his, his freak offs and abuses over the years as he marched around, strutted around town and around the world. And he's a global, I don't know what, entrepreneur. I'm worried about the people. We're not talking about them. Who's giving them the services, the psychological services. They need their trauma. I'm going to keep saying the word trauma. People do not understand trauma, what it is and what he has done, and shame on him. Trauma for his victims. He's got these daughters. You can't tell me in the back of their mind somehow, and as they get older, the trauma that's gonna come out. This is their father and things are on video. Complete trauma all around. He's got a mother. Where's the shame in this guy? We have never seen him humble once. And you know what? Money talks and crime walks.

[Nancy Grace]

And now off Diddy and onto a real American hero. Officer Alex Roberts, Houston, Houston PD Killed in the line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents. American hero Officer Alex Roberts, Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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