"DUCHESS" SARAH FERGUGSON SPOTTED LEAVING LUX SKI REPORT AFTER EPSTEIN

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Podcast Summary: "DUCHESS" SARAH FERGUSON SPOTTED LEAVING LUX SKI RESORT AFTER EPSTEIN

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace — May 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

On this episode, Nancy Grace dissects the unfolding fallout from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, focusing on the latest developments involving Sarah Ferguson, the former Duchess of York, and her ex-husband Prince Andrew. The episode addresses the wider implications for the British royal family, the systemic failures that enabled Epstein's crimes, and the fight for accountability—highlighting public outrage, expanding legal scrutiny, and the fresh pressure on US authorities to release the long-secretive "Epstein Files." Experts, legal analysts, journalists, and advocates weigh in on the facts, media revelations, and what justice could still look like for Epstein’s victims.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sarah Ferguson's Public Reemergence & Royal Fallout

• Sarah Ferguson, stripped of her Duchess of York title, has resurfaced after months in hiding at a luxury Austrian ski resort following increased public scrutiny regarding her connections to Epstein.
• Ferguson's ties to Epstein included continued association after his conviction and bringing her daughters around him.
  • Nancy Grace: "She was still fraternizing with him and bringing her two girls around him after his conviction on child molestation." (03:26)
• She appeared "expressionless, pale, distraught, stony faced" as she left the chalet, emerging from a black Mercedes—her signature hoop earrings revealing her identity. (03:35)
• Mounting calls both in the US and UK demand Ferguson and Prince Andrew testify on what they knew about Epstein.

2. Prince Andrew's Title Stripping and Further Allegations

• Prince Andrew has been ejected from the Royal Lodge and downgraded within royal circles after revived public outrage over his ties to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and Giuffre’s (now-deceased) accusations.
• The coincidental timing of Virginia Giuffre’s book release and Andrew’s title removal is heavily questioned for possible connection and cover-up.
  • Nancy Grace: "Don't tell me that her book, posthumously publicized, had nothing to do with Andrew's downfall." (05:07)
• Andrew is suspected of directing Scotland Yard to investigate and smear his accuser, Virginia Giuffre.
  • Nancy Grace: "Allegations right now that Prince Andrew ordered Scotland Yard... to investigate Virginia Giuffre to smear her." (09:40)
• Emails reveal Andrew continued associating with Epstein after Epstein’s first conviction, contradicting his public claims.
  • Barry Levine: "He said he wanted to continue to have fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun." (08:14)

3. Victims, Public Pressure & Calls for Accountability

• Advocates (Lynn Shaw), survivors, and the public fuel ongoing campaigns for full disclosure of the Epstein Files and prosecution of enablers and clients.
  • Lynn Shaw: "We demand that they open this up for America. We want files, we want accountability, we want to bring people to trial." (12:56)
• Discussion rebukes focus on royal drama, drawing attention back to the victims and the psychological scars of child sex abuse.
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: "They are never the same. And he got away with it for years." (14:35)
• Multiple guests express disgust that elite figures exploit their power to evade consequences.
  • Nancy Grace: "We don't like it when rich people take advantage of the police like Epstein and Andrew have done, take advantage of children... then think we're going to excuse it because they're either American royalty... or British royalty." (32:07)

4. Financial Institutions’ Complicity & Legal Developments

• Major banks (J.P. Morgan, Bank of America, Bank of New York Mellon) face lawsuits for allegedly enabling and ignoring suspicious transactions involving millions in payoffs to victims and enablers.
  • Barry Levine: "Over $1 billion of monies that Jeffrey Epstein withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also to pay off victims. These suspicious activity reports were completely, you know, red lights for multiple banks. But because Jeffrey Epstein brought in so many of his wealthy clients, these banks managed to look the other way." (40:57)
• Massive settlements are emblematic of deeper rot:
  • Nancy Grace: "$290 million was a settlement from JPMorgan Chase. $290 million... That should speak volumes to everybody. If that bank... paid nearly $300 million to make this go away, there's fire because I see smoke." (50:10)

5. Royal Lifestyle, Hypocrisy, and Disgrace

• Coverage of the royal family's attempts to distance themselves from scandal is criticized as superficial; punitive downgrades (being moved to a smaller estate) are mocked.
  • Nancy Grace, sarcastic: "Are you actually stating that leaving a... 50 room mansion downgraded to a smaller for free royal home on the Sandringham estate, that's punishment?" (17:58)
• Andrew’s public appearances elicit visible discomfort even from other royals.
  • Nancy Grace: "Did you notice when Andrew walked up... It was like, ugh, they all look away, nobody wants to talk to him." (29:15)
• Sarah Ferguson is depicted as desperate for money and likely to sell royal secrets in a "tell-all."

6. Victims’ Testimonies & Ongoing Trauma

• Sydney Sumner and Harriet Alexander recount survivor stories made public at press conferences; many victims are still alive and pushing for justice.
  • Sydney Sumner: "There are many women who are still alive, available, wanting to give their testimony and working on compiling their own list of Epstein's clients." (47:04)
• Firsthand accounts from survivors and documentaries (Lifetime, Miami Herald) are shared—including disturbing details about the abuse, highlighting how predators like Epstein and Maxwell preyed on vulnerability and youth.
• Maxwell’s sadistic behavior and need to dominate are psychoanalyzed.
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: "I think Gillian Maxwell loved to have dominance over other women. I think she was envious and jealous of them. I think she thought that they had it coming to them and I think it was sexually arousing to her that they were humiliated." (53:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Evasion of Justice:
  • Nancy Grace: "I'm surprised the whole kit and caboodle aren't in jail." (03:04)
• On Institutional Complicity:
  • Barry Levine: "These banks managed to look the other way. And this sex trafficking was able to continue for two decades." (41:09)
• On Victim Blaming & Police Misuse:
  • Sydney Sumner: "Andrew provided his bodyguard with Giuffre's birth date and Social Security number... requesting he dig up dirt on the young woman." (22:31)
  • Andrew Lowney: "I think if they do... there's a very good chance that both he and Sarah Ferguson may well go to prison." (22:58)
• On Public Outrage & Calls for Action:
  • Lynn Shaw: "This may be great. And Buckingham palace put out a cute little nice announcement... but you know who didn't sign off on that? Andrew." (12:56)
• On Systemic Enabling by Elites:
  • Nancy Grace: "It's Marie Antoinette all over again." (34:26)
• On Victims’ Experience:
  • Survivor (via Nancy Grace quoting): "They said, take off your clothes. I had these little girl undies on... I remember. And they were laughing at that because they liked that." (48:44)
  • Harriet Alexander: "The younger you look, the better it is." (48:47)
  • Nancy Grace: "Sometimes he would just... in front of them and rub his nipples. Sometimes he'd make them..." (48:56)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:06–04:45: Sarah Ferguson’s reappearance; ties to Epstein & public reaction.
• 05:31–10:39: Prince Andrew’s ongoing contact with Epstein; public and legal fallout; victim’s book release.
• 11:58–13:18: Victims’ advocacy, demands for releasing Epstein Files.
• 15:40–18:33: Legal consequences for Andrew; loss of titles; debate on true punishment.
• 20:10–22:28: Revelations of invitations to Andrew’s daughter’s party for Weinstein, Epstein, Maxwell
• 22:31–24:51: Alleged campaign to smear Giuffre via law enforcement.
• 28:04–30:21: DOJ’s Epstein Files and plans for private prosecution.
• 32:13–36:43: Palm Beach property, evading responsibility; metaphor for societal "washing hands."
• 40:12–43:11: Banks’ role in enabling Epstein, lawsuits, and what financial records can reveal.
• 46:24–49:00: Victims alive and testifying; Prince Andrew’s denials; chilling survivor stories.
• 50:10–52:25: JPMorgan's settlement; financial trails as possible routes to prosecution.
• 52:43–54:22: Ghislaine Maxwell’s sadism and perverse pride, psychoanalyzed.
• 54:40–End: Ferguson’s current state, hiding and fragile, as media speculation continues.

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Closing Insights

Nancy Grace and her panel deliver a relentless, emotionally charged episode that exposes the ways systemic privilege, institutional complicity, and elite silence have shielded powerful individuals from consequences around Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking network. The episode brings focus back to the victims, their enduring trauma, and the urgent need for real accountability—legal, financial, and societal. There is little faith that elite figures will face proportionate consequences, but mounting lawsuits, public outrage, and new revelations keep the scandal alive, with hope that justice—however delayed—may still come for the powerful.

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The former Prince Andrew is hiding out on royal grounds in a down graded home after being kicked out of the Royal Lodge in the wake of the Epstein scandal. There are demands in the US for Prince I'm saying that with quoties Andrew to come across the so called pond and testify to what he knows about Epstein. But Epstein's evil tentacles have reached beyond Prince Andrew and now the so called Duchess Sarah Ferguson, his former wife, breaking cover for the first time in months since the Epstein scandal broke again, she's been hiding out at a quote luxury ski resort in Austria.

[Nancy Grace]

What?

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I'm surprised the whole kit and caboodle aren't in jail. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Sarah Ferguson was stripped of her Duchess of York title in the wake of her links to to child molester Jeffrey Epstein. And remember she was still fraternizing with him and bringing her two girls around him after his conviction on child molestation. Now we learn that Fergie, as she's known far and wide, seemed expressionless as she walked from a chalet at a luxury alpine ski resort. Hey, that ain't shabby. The weight of the Epstein revelations are apparent on her face. Pale, distraught, stony faced, she did, however, emerge from black Mercedes. The only way many people recognized her was she was wearing her signature hoop earrings. I could recognize her anywhere. I believe this is the first time Fergie has been seen in public since last year. Why? Mounting calls for her to come to the US and testify along with her husband, Prince Andrew, about evidence and the relationship she had with Epstein. And what, if anything, she knew. These are the facts surrounding her husband, the former Prince Andrew, suspected in the molestation of Virginia Giuffre, now deceased.

[Nancy Grace]

Out of the blue, Virginia Giuffre's book drops coincidentally the night before Andrew gets stripped of all of his titles. Timing, timing, wow. What timing. And now Prince Andrew's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. It was. It was very gently bubbling. It has boiled over. And now the king, as in King Charles, is being heckled because of his baby brother. Listen, how long have you known about Andrew and X stage? Have you asked the police to cap

[Harriet Alexander]

it off for a while?

[Nancy Grace]

That from our friends at Sky News. Understand the heckler he's yelling out. Have you asked the police to cover up for Andrew? How long have you known about Andrew and Epstein? Look, I'm happily an American. I don't want a king or a prince or a princess. None of that. That's for Disney. Okay? But when you have a book published by a sex trafficking victim, Virginia Jeffrey, and coincidentally that very week, Prince Andrew is stripped of his titles. Don't tell me that her book, posthumously publicized, had nothing to do with Andrew's downfall. My question is, how can this help the actual sex molestation victims? That's what this is all about. How disgusting is it? To Barry Levine joining us. He is the author of a brand new book, it's incredible. The Spider Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. It's amazing when you hear that Epstein had moved a billion B as in brother billion dollars. Where did he get that? I guarantee you we will discover it's from trafficking little girls. Including American little girls. Any little girl is bad enough. Why I said American is because we have jurisdiction over that. I can't help what Turkey and the Stans doing. Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, what they're doing with their children. I can't prosecute that, but I can help prosecute what was done to American children at the hands of Epstein. A billion dollars. Levine, probably more enough to make JP Morgan have a multi million dollar settlement. You know they would not have done that if there had not been fire underneath that smoke. But Barry Levine, how disgusted must the British public be about right now to know that Andrew was still chatting and texting and emailing with Epstein after his Palm beach conviction? Really saying the words will play more soon. I want to vomit. Play molest little girls.

[Barry Levine]

Nancy. He said he wanted to continue to have fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun. Now this. These email disclosures came after Prince Andrew said that he had cut off all communication with Jeffrey Epstein. He traveled to New York. There was a photo, Jeffrey Epstein of the two of them in Central park together. He said that was it. He said he told Jeffrey Epstein goodbye. Now we're learning and we're seeing emails where Prince Andrew was continuing to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein. When the photo of Andrew and Virginia Giuffre came out, standing in Ghislaine Maxwell's townhouse in London, a photo that Jeffrey Epstein took. Andrew told Epstein, we'll get through this together and then we'll. We'll have fun again. It is absolutely disgusting. And I hope now that he has been stripped of these ridiculous royal titles that he had that he never deserved in the first place, that maybe, just maybe, the authorities over there will pull up their pants and actually investigate him. He had a security detail, special operations 14. They need to be investigated.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, I can tell you this, Levine, if it finally comes to light, there are allegations right now that Prince Andrew ordered Scotland Yard. Scotland Yard be ashamed. And I never said that. I have great respect for Scotland Yard. He asked them to investigate Virginia Giuffre to smear her when her allegations came out. He misused law enforcement for his own personal ill motives. Hey, listen to this.

[Sydney Sumner]

Just a few short months after Epstein walks free, Prince Andrew corresponds with a convicted sex offender, promising to make plans for a trip to New York as it would be good to catch up in person. Andrew claims his December trip to Epstein's New York mansion was planned solely to break the news. He must cut contact with the financier. However, in a January email to Epstein, Andrew writes, keep in close touch and will play some more soon.

[Nancy Grace]

With four exclamation points really straight out to Lynn Shaw. She is in D.C. right now lobbying, fighting for the release of the Epstein files. I never thought I'd see the day when we had to go to Washington and demand a child sex molester's. Files become public. What? What is this? Russia, China, where there are secret dealings behind closed doors. O H E double L, N O. I ain't shutting up about this. God bless you, Lynn Shaw, for being in D.C. fighting for the release of those files. But I want to. Oh, by the way, Lynn Shaw, founder director, Lynn's warriors, which is dedicated to eradicating science, sex trafficking of girls and women and more. But did you notice the way and the timing of Andrew, Prince Andrew? It's like I just ate, you know, a hairball trying to say Prince Andrew. The timing is after the Palm beach debacle and I'm about to go to Greg Morris, who is joining us from Palm beach on this. After that. He knows. He knows Epstein is a child molester. He knows that. But that said, play again soon. Talk about minimizing pain and suffering.

[Lynn Shaw (Advocate)]

I am disgusted with this whole story. It really means nothing for us in Washington in the United States, fighting for our victims of not only these criminals, but also all victims of sexual exploitation. What it does, why this does matter, though, is because it keeps it out there, the narrative, it keeps it in the headlines, it keeps people talking about it. But we only care about to be in Washington and to have a client list, the whole thing called a hoax. To have people fighting, to have people saying, we have it all on our desk and we're going to release it. And they've done zero. So we demand that they open this up for America. We want files, we want accountability, we want to bring people to trial. How about we don't talk about so many things here in America, the Zorro ranch and all of those complicit who participate in that, the buyers of all this, I'm going to call them buyers because I'm sure money was exchanged because none of these people do anything unless there's financial incentive. Money's involved.

[Lynn Shaw]

So you know what?

[Lynn Shaw (Advocate)]

This may be great. And Buckingham palace put out a cute little nice announcement the other day that they stand with all victims, survivors. But you know who didn't sign off on that? Andrew. Andrew is still in denial. So we don't care about him. We care about all the girls and women that have been victims of this for decades now. And we demand answers and accountability.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me, Dr. Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst out of LA. She's the author of Deal Breaker. Still waiting on that second book. Bethany. Get cracking. You can see her on Peacock and find her at Dr.bethany marshall.com. Dr. Bethany Marshall, I just had a physical reaction as Lynn from Lynn's warriors was talking. We were showing photos of Epstein and it was a reaction I often had in court, particularly in child abuse cases. I look over at the defendant who was typically on my right side, and the jury would be right beside me on my left. And they would look so smug, like there's no way in h e double they're going to get caught. And I would actually an involuntary reaction, just go. And I would feel my lip turn up in disgust when I was looking at Epstein. He looks so smug in every photo. And why not? Because he's gotten away with this. Would you please tell the listeners what child rape victims go through? They are never the same. And he got away with it for years.

[Lynn Shaw]

Okay, so I agree with Lynn. Forget about Andrew and start thinking about the victims. Too much of the spotlight is on Andrew. I'm going to talk for a second about child victims. Let's not call them the royal family. Them, the Mountbatten. They are no different than any other family. And if you work for child protective services, you know, is you can go to a family that has a predator, an aunt, an uncle, a cousin, and they will say to the child protective services worker, oh, you know what, they're no longer a part of our family. We've shuffled them off to the side. They're not going to be perpetrating on our family member any longer. And the minute the child protective services worker leaves, the that family member is shuffled right back into the mix. So when we think about victims, we have to think about their entire family, you know, family systems and the fact that families work together to hold everybody together, even if there's a child predator.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, it's like that moment. Out to Greg Morse joining us. High profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of Morse legal. He is the author of Untested on Amazon. Greg Morse is joining us from the Palm beach jurisdiction. Greg, question to you now. I'd like a short answer. This is over. You have nothing to fight with me about. The sweetheart deal that Epstein got when in Palm beach he was prosecuted for molesting little girls. Not just one, several. He got a sweetheart deal, tap on the wrist. And he was allowed to be chauffeured out of the jail wherever he wanted to go, including his home where he continued to molest children. That was his sentence and have to come back at night and stay in jail occasionally. That was his sentence and it wasn't a secret. Andrew knew about it. And it was after he was convicted that Andrew wrote all of those emails about playing together. Soon. You darn Right. His title should be stripped. He should be prosecuted. What's the holdup, Morse?

[Greg Morse]

Well, you know, with regard to Prince Andrew or former Prince Andrew at this time, a lot of time has gone by. So you're trying to arrest or indict someone for acts that were a long time ago. The fact that he kept talking to Jeffrey Epstein after he was a known sex trafficker and was convicted doesn't make him any more guilty of allegations that were made against Prince Andrew. You know, the one thing though, for Prince Andrew or for former Prince Andrew that could be an issue is that he was stripped of his royal title. He may then be stripped of any diplomatic protection. We have an extradition treaty with England. I don't know if those matters will come up. If there is an indictment in America seeking former Prince Andrew, that could be an issue for him. And it also seems like he was removed from the one estate to go to a 31 square mile estate because of getting prostitutes during a business trip to Thailand.

[Nancy Grace]

Are you actually stating that leaving a, what, 50 room mansion downgraded to a smaller for free royal home on the Sandringham estate, that's punishment?

[Greg Morse]

No, it's the opposite. No, that we agree on. That's a joke. That's the Royal Family themselves. Every time they're caught with some information, they try to do a little band aid on it. With regard to Andrew Windsor, but for Andrew's context.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, hold on. I got to throw this to Harriet Alexander. Harriet Alexander. I want to follow up on what Morse is saying. Harriet is Senior Features Writer, DailyMail.com who has been breaking these stories left and right. Here's the problem. They also threw Fergie Sarah Ferguson out on her ear. She's got a lot of stories to tell and she's desperate for money. She just, she inhales money like a vacuum cleaner. Just cases of champagne, limos waiting in the front yard all day long for her to decide to go somewhere. I don't know, just so Marie Antoinette, that said she will want money and what better way to get it than to do a tell all book Trashing the Royal family. I mean, they're not really my concern, but I can see that coming a mile away. And you heard Morse playing dodgeball again with me, talking about emails, phone calls. Visits with Andrew and Epstein are not prosecutable. He's right. But child molestation is. Did you read. It's probably your article in Daily Mail that exposed Prince Andrew's party where they actually had sex toys, lubricants, condoms. It sounds like Sean Combs stocking all the bathrooms of his mansion. And the British taxpayers are paying for that. Those were the party favors, Right?

[Harriet Alexander]

Right, yeah. That is part of the outrage in the UK that British taxpayers have been supporting this lifestyle for so long. He's been a deeply unpopular figure in Britain for many, many years, but it's really come to a head in the last couple of weeks and he's certainly somebody who I think will not be in the public eye. It's not just that party at Sandringham, which Andrew said was just a normal shooting party, it obviously was anything but. It's also come out that Andrew, believe it or not, invited Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein as well as Ghislaine Maxwell to his daughter's 18th birthday party back in 2006. And it's hard to think of any figures who could be more unwelcome at an 18th birthday party than those two.

[Nancy Grace]

Hold on, because tomorrow is the twins 18th birthday and I'm going to cook a big dinner and I'm making a cake and cupcakes. We're really blowing it out. So let me understand what you just said. Harriet Alexander, Daily mail. For the 18th birthday for Princess Beatrice, her father Andrew invited Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell to 18 year old's birthday party. They were having sex with 18 year olds and much younger, as young as 12. What, what happened?

[Harriet Alexander]

Right, right, absolutely. So it was a masked ball that was happening at Windsor Castle. I mean, it was a huge affair. There was a lot of people there. This was in 2000. You know, for reference, Epstein's deal in Florida was 2008. But still, to invite Weinstein and Epstein to your daughter's 18th birthday party. I mean, it goes quite a long way, I think, to show how close they all were, how much time they all spent together, how, you know, they were very, very connected. And of course, in hindsight that's incredibly disturbing.

[Nancy Grace]

Harriet, I want you to hear this allegation.

[Sydney Sumner]

The Met police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried to involve his tax funded Met Protection officer and Queen Elizabeth's deputy Press secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Giuffre. Andrew provided his bodyguard with Jaffre's birth date and Social Security number in an email requesting he dig up dirt on the young woman. In another email, Andrew told secretary Ed Perkins his guard was working on the Jaffrey problem, adding she may have a criminal record.

[Andrew Lowney]

And I do hope that the authorities will actually pursue some of these investigations. They will bring charges and I think if they do. So there's a very good chance that both he and Sarah Ferguson may well go to prison.

[Nancy Grace]

That's my friends at TalkTV. Okay, Harriet, using the Met, which is the Metropolitan Police in Great Britain, to investigate your child molestation victim in order to smear her. That is wrong on so many levels. Now, we cannot prove at this juncture what happened with Virginia Giuffre because she has passed away and cannot be cross examined. So that cannot be brought forward at trial. You have a six amendment right to cross examine witnesses against you, Period. The end. But the allegations that Andrew used the Met use Scotland Yard to try to smear a child molestation victim, that's a whole nother can of worms, Harriet.

[Harriet Alexander]

Yeah, absolutely. And it's something that the British public want to know. Andrew Lowney, who was speaking just then, he is a respected historian, a biographer, who's written a book about the House of York, of which Andrew of course was formerly the head. And he is saying that he believes there could be actually criminal charges brought against Andrew for this in particular, but this in particular for using the Metropolitan Police and his protection detail to dig up dirt essentially on Virginia Giuffre that might be, you might be able to prosecute for that because of course, you know, you can't prosecute for the alleged acts that happened because that was a. It was a long time ago. And also, sadly, Virginia is dead.

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[Nancy Grace]

Today, Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the

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former Duchess of York hiding out in the wake of the Epstein scandal. Far off the radar after a treasure trove of documents released by the doj, the US Department of Justice, known as the Epstein Files, reveals damning communications between her and Epstein the pedophile. How could she be around him so much? And Andrew as well. With young girls going in and out of his various domiciles, Prince Andrew may

[Republic Group Representative]

face more than just disownment and eviction. Republic, a pressure group instructed lawyers to begin an investigation into the prince with plans to mount a private prosecution if they find evidence to substantiate the late Virginia Giuffre's rape allegations. Andrew could face jail time if found guilty in the criminal proceedings and ex wife Sarah Ferguson could be next.

[Andrew Lowney]

Virginia Jeffries book is very powerful. It really brings home the extent of what was going on and the sense of entitlement and arrogance that they had that somehow they could just do what they wanted and these were disposable people that they could just, you know, discard

[Nancy Grace]

that from our friends at Talk TV to hang out. Harriet Alexander senior features [e-mail] Let me throw a little legal jargon at you. US legal jargon. I don't know if you have, if that exists in Great Britain, but Harriet Alexander, did you notice when Andrew walked up and the other royals were there, he was totally legal. Phrase the turd in the punchbowl. Right? It was like, ugh, they all look away, nobody wants to talk to him. It's very obvious. They moved him 100 miles away after Giuffre's book came out. That's all well and good, and he deserves so much more than just a public shaming to what this group Republic is. It's a pressure group who wants to, of course, see the monarchy abolished, but in the meantime, they want Andrew prosecuted privately. What is that? Is that the same as a civil lawsuit here in the US what does a private prosecution look like in Great Britain?

[Harriet Alexander]

So that is being carried out, as you say, by this group which is against the monarchy. I don't believe that that case is going to have any possibility of going forwards because the person who would be there, the person who would be their main witness, the accuser, Virginia Giuffre, died by suicide earlier this year. So it's not gonna be possible to prosecute Andrew for rape as they hope, because the person who would need to prove it is no longer with us. But I do think they might have more luck trying to investigate what happened with Andrew, using his taxpayer funded private. His taxpayer funded security detail to dig up information on her, to try and discredit her. I think that's something that could be more profitable. People who want to see Andrew face more punishment.

[Nancy Grace]

Private investigator, founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former federal task force for the US doj. Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children investigator joining us near the Epstein Florida mansion. You know, I especially wanted to go to you, Crispin, because you're there near Epstein's Florida mansion. Not to be mistaken with his New York mansion or his Virgin Islands mansion or any of the other mansions he's got all around the world. You know, us regular people, may I speak for you? Like you and me, we don't like it when rich people take advantage of the police like Epstein and Andrew have done, take advantage of children like Epstein and Andrew have done, and then think we're going to excuse it because they're either American royalty because they're rich or they're British royalty. I've about had it up to right here.

[Robert Crispin]

Yeah. And Nancy, I'll tell you, there's a lot that has happened here in the town of Palm Beach. Just to kind of give you a little idea of where I am, North Avenue is right behind me. In a couple streets south of that is where Epstein's mansion used to be. And then a few streets south of that is Trump's Mar a Lago compound. So since this all has transpired, since all this has happened with Epstein, this property has gone through two owners. The first owner purchased it right away. He put in plans to Palm beach to build a modern home, but he got rejected because Palm beach doesn't want modern homes. A lot of people probably don't know this, but in Palm beach, if you go to build a house, your neighbors in the town of Palm beach, they have to kind of all sign off that they're okay with you building a modern home in an area that doesn't have any. And it's got such character of everything else but a modern home. So really.

[Nancy Grace]

Excuse me, Crispin. Well, I love your monologue on the architecture requests of really, really stinking rich people down at Palm Beach. Can we get to the child molestation and the fact that nothing's been done about it?

[Robert Crispin]

So, Nancy, this address used to be 368 Elborello Way on Palm Beach Island. The new owners were able to get a brand new address of 360 Elborell Way. Why? Because they didn't want anything related to Jeffrey Epstein. The child molestation cases that occurred here and everything else that put a black stain on Palm Beach Island. Everything from grass, the trees, the dirt, the dock has been gone, lifted out. There's not one iota of property belonging to Jeffrey Epstein or anything to do with any of these heinous crimes against children that are left on this property.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, it's interesting. So many things. Dr. Bethany Marshall, and I'm about to go to Barry Levine on the money trail. That may be the only way we get Andrew or any of them Epstein's cohorts, Dr. Bethany Marshall. You just heard Crispin. He's standing. Did you see that multimillion dollar view that Epstein had? But you know what? That view stinks. When you think about him bringing these little children. Little girls, little girls. Think about it. You saw, you've watched my little girl grow up. From the time she was born, Bethany, you've known her. Can you imagine some POs abusing her in that massage room, looking out over that beach? They can all go straight to h e doublel. Riding a pitchfork as far as I'm concerned. But that said, at some point, regular people like me, like Crispin, we're not going to stand by and let this continue. They're standing for it over in Great Britain, but not here. No. And I don't understand why we can't get the release of those files and why nothing is happening. For Pete's sake. Lynn Shaw has to go with a torch outside the White House up on Capitol Hill to try to get some action. I don't get it. It's Marie Antoinette all over again.

[Lynn Shaw]

You know what's interesting and actually disturbing to me, Nancy, is that these, these neighbors are observing a crime scene. Okay. They're observing something in their neighborhood that really was criminal. And children were abused as young as 12 years of age. And the fact that they would change the address means that they're trying to wash their hands of the whole thing. Why don't these neighbors come forward, go to court, write their local representative, and talk a little bit about the cars that they saw coming and going. Who were the car, what were the license place? I'm sure they have, you know, security cameras on their homes. What, what did they, what, what did those security cameras, what did they record? So these neighbors who are trying to sanitize their community, it's no different than what I said earlier about any other family that has the lecherous aunt or uncle or somebody where they try to protect that person rather than coming forward and bringing the ill deeds to light to protect the younger members of the family. So I, I just really dist disturbed that these neighbors are taking this course of action.

[Prince Andrew (voice or referenced)]

The photograph is taken upstairs, and I don't think I ever went upstairs.

[Harriet Alexander]

It's devastating. He's already lost his titles.

[Nancy Grace]

He's still a prince. He's no longer the Duke of York, and he's no longer His Royal Highness. Excuse me. You know, he's lost all his titles. He's living rent free in the Royal Lodge. I don't want to hear about any the of. Of his suffering. Is a prosecution across the ocean possible for Andrew? Stunning revelations over the last 72 hours? In my mind, it means even the Royal family smells a stench from Andrew's lies. Now, how does that correlate to action in the U.S. what about a prosecution for manipulating. Manipulating the law enforcement, the Met, Scotland Yard to smear Virginia? Jeffrey. That said, now we've got a powerhouse involved in the US that is in the form of major banking institutions are now dragged into this. But to Harriet Alexander, Senior features writer, dlml.com, what's the possibility now that the British public smells blood? There will be A prosecution or will it be covered up for at least Andrew allegedly using the Metropolitan Police in Scotland Yard to smear Jeffrey.

[Harriet Alexander]

So it's certainly something that a lot of people want looking into about whether Andrew, as alleged, did pressure his private security officer to look into Virginia Roberts Giuffre to see if he could dig up dirt and discredit her. I think that's something that authorities in the UK will be under a lot of pressure to investigate. I think there's also growing questions about why more is not being done in the United States. Because I think to Lyn's point, this keeps everything in the news. It's got everybody talking about it, and it heaps pressure on the US authorities to release more of their files. Because it's worth noting that so far the only people who have really faced significant penalties, in a way, are Andrew. Ghislaine Maxwell, who's in prison. Peter Anderson, who was the ambassador to Washington, D.C. he lost his job over this because he was friends with Epstein and an American banker, Jess Staley, who was working at J.P. morgan. He was in London with Barclays bank, and he lost his job as a result of the work that he did with Epstein at JP Morgan back then. So there are things happening in the uk, But I think people even in the UK are beginning to ask why more is not being done in the US to pursue people who were supporting Epstein and in some cases, clients.

[Nancy Grace]

I agree, though. Supporting Epstein and his child sex trafficking. That would be reportedly the bank of America and the bank of New York York Mellon and J.P. morgan. Enter Barry Levine, who has documented endlessly the spider inside the tangled web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Listen to this, Barry.

[Republic Group Representative]

New lawsuits shed light on Epstein's trafficking ring. Anonymous plaintiffs file against bank of America and bank of New York Mellon claiming the institutions illicitly enabled Epstein's trafficking. Both banks accused of ignoring the illegal activity. Bank of America turning a blind eye to Epstein's use of a victim's account to pay her and other victims off. And Mellon failing to flag nearly $378 million in victim payments as suspicious.

[Nancy Grace]

$378 million for victim payments and nobody said a word? In a nutshell, Barry Levine, you know, I'm just a trial lawyer. Break it down for me. What the banks allegedly did wrong.

[Barry Levine]

What the banks did wrong, Nancy, was that they looked the other way. Going back to 2002, over $1 billion of monies that Jeffrey Epstein withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also to pay off victims. These suspicious Activity reports were completely, you know, red lights for multiple banks. But because Jeffrey Epstein brought in so many of his wealthy clients, these banks managed to look the other way. And this sex trafficking was able to continue for two decades. It's only now that we're finally looking back at all of the financial reports. And Representative Tom Massie is hoping to prosecute 19 men that he has identified who were sex trafficked to.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, Barry, you're super smart and your book is amazing. I said dummy down. You didn't really dumb me down. What I think you just said is these banks knew Epstein was conducting nefarious activities, specifically child trafficking. Child sex trafficking. And. And on the money flow, following the money, you could determine who was sending him girls as young as 12 and who he was paying. That is the significance of those financial transactions. What? Dummy down. Can I learn? I would have to work with you a really long time to put you on the stand. Okay, no offense, but you're just too smart for the rest of us. Again, dummy down. What can I learn? 1, 2, 3. From these financial transactions? And you know they did it because they entered multi million dollar settlements to make it go away, right? So what am I going to get from the financial transactions?

[Barry Levine]

What we're getting, Nancy, from the financial transactions is actual details and dates of the men and payments that Jeffrey Epstein made.

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The former Duchess of York. Sarah Ferguson keeping a low profile in the Swiss Alps, trying to stay out of public view, hoping that the scandal will blow over.

[Nancy Grace]

Guess what?

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It's not blowing over. At least not here in the US and this is why.

[Nancy Grace]

Sidney Sumner joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. A lot of these child molesters victims are still alive. Some of them are the ones marching on Capitol Hill to get the Epstein files released. They're alive, they can testify. Unless they commit suicide.

[Sydney Sumner]

Sydney Absolutely, Nancy. Remember, the victims hosted a press conference on Capitol Hill just a few weeks ago and the stories were horrendous. Woman after woman stepped up to that microphone and shared what they experienced under Epstein's sexual abuse. So there are many women who are still alive, available, wanting to give their testimony and working on compiling their own list of Epstein's clients.

[Prince Andrew (voice or referenced)]

I don't believe it's a picture of me in London because when I would go out to when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie. That's what I would describe as, those are my traveling clothes.

[Nancy Grace]

That's me.

[Prince Andrew (voice or referenced)]

But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position, but I don't. I have simply no recollection of a

[Nancy Grace]

photograph ever being taken Right from our friends at BBC. In the last 72 hours, Prince Andrew has been kicked out of the Royal Lodge and been stripped of all of his titles. But is that enough? The British public says no. And sex molestation victims say we want him prosecuted on US soil move afoot on Capitol Hill, asking Andrew to come voluntarily to testify in proceedings. No one is going to forget this, largely because of this woman. They said, take off your clothes. I had these little girl undies on, like little hearts on them, I remember. And they were laughing at that because they liked that.

[Harriet Alexander]

The younger you look, the better it is.

[Nancy Grace]

It turned very sexual and it was

[Harriet Alexander]

abuse straight away from both of them.

[Nancy Grace]

Sometimes he would just in front of

[Sydney Sumner]

them and rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.

[Nancy Grace]

Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give them. Laughing at a little girl because she has flowers on her underwear. That's my friends at Lifetime and Miami Herald. I mean, you know, all of this legal back and forth extradition, a Prince, Royal Lodge, blah, blah. Robert Crispin joining us outside what was once Epstein's Florida mansion. You've done a lot, lot of vice, including child prostitution. That's what it boils down to. That's what this is about. Epstein and all of his rich clients that made this possible.

[Robert Crispin]

Yeah, they certainly facilitated all this. And I would subject or I would suggest that there's some more charges coming down the road. And I think he was stripped of everything overseas and his titles overseas because the Royal Family knows and they've been meeting or speaking with the government that charges are about to come down and it's going to look a lot better for their family when they say, hey, he's no longer part of our family. We've stripped him of everything.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean. To Barry Levine joining us, authors the Spider Inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. $290 million was a settlement from JPMorgan Chase. $290 million. And they agreed to implement anti sex trafficking measures. A bank. A bank, a respectable bank in the middle of a child sex trafficking scheme. That should speak volumes to everybody. If that bank, JPMorgan check paid nearly $300 million to make this go away, there's fire because I see Smoke Levine.

[Barry Levine]

Yeah. And listen, Nancy, it's sad to think that that bank, that 300 million bucks to them. It's a drop in the bucket to them for the amount of money that Jeffrey Epstein helped them make over the decades by bringing in his billionaire buddies to plant their money in their bank. But the fact is, if there's any one thing that's a positive out of this is that those bank records are now finally getting in the possession of the authorities who can go through each and every line and look at these suspicious payments that Jeffrey Epstein made and go after these men. Representative Thomas Massie knows of 19 men. Senator Ryan Wyden has identified $1 billion in suspic suspicious wire transfers that Jeffrey Epstein made. And this was money didn't only go through the US Banks. Jeffrey Epstein was also moving money through Russian banks. And his executors of his estate complicated things for years. They created 150 different bank accounts for Jeffrey Epstein to move his money through. So this was a wild maze and a wild web. And now it's only now that investigators are going through this. This let's hope that there's financial crimes that they can pinpoint and go after. These men, not only in the US but the men who put the little girls on the planes to the Virgin Islands, who are overseas, who took money

[Nancy Grace]

from Jeffrey Epstein, making millions of dollars from child sex trafficking. Epstein and Andrew is in the mix. But we are also learning this. What is wrong with this woman? Listen.

[Sydney Sumner]

Virginia first likens Ghislaine Maxwell to Mary Poppins, but later learns Maxwell is a prideful, jealous woman. Virginia describes Maxwell's cruelty during threesomes with Epstein slapping and hurting Virginia to assert her dominance. Maxwell also loves to brag about previous romps, wants Positively Giddy to share. She performed a sex act on George Clooney in a bathroom at a party.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, again, I need a shrink and a drink. But since I don't have a drink, I'll go with a shrink. Bethany, what is wrong with her? Of course, Clooney denies this, but what is that? Bragging? She performed a sex act on Clooney. Why?

[Lynn Shaw]

You know, Nancy, there's so much that's wrong with this. I mean, obviously their lives are completely sexualized. That's how they relate to everybody. This, this laughing at Virginia Giuffre because she had little hearts on her underwear. That's is sadism. That's taking pain and causing pleasure. I mean, I'm sorry, Taking pleasure and causing pain to another human being. I think Gillian Maxwell loved to have dominance over other women. I think she was envious and jealous of them. I think she thought that they had it coming to them and I think it was sexually arousing to her that they were humiliated. I mean, and this is what we see in all of these sex cults, that you have this fearless leader that recruits other women who then dominates the women under them. And the sexual domination is what is sexually exciting to we used to use the word middleman. This is the middle woman. The middle woman finds it sexually exciting to dominate more submissive females.

[Prince Andrew (voice or referenced)]

I can't. I've racked my brain and thinking, oh, and I've said consistently and and frequently that we never had any sort of

[Nancy Grace]

sexual contact whatever Queen Elizabeth Rolling In Her Grave from our friends at BBC

[Crime Stories Narrator]

Just recently, Sarah Ferguson tried to hide in the back of a car as she arrived at one of her granddaughter's christenings at St. James Palace. My, how the mighty have fallen. She is now hiding in the back seat of a car, married to a disgraced former duke, now stripped of his titles. What will become of Fergie? Sarah Ferguson had been living with former husband Prince Andrew. He was thrown out of the Royal Lodge. She departed. They had lived together for years since their divorce. Now with nowhere to go, hiding out, she is said to be in a fragile state over her fall from grace. I wonder how the molestation victims feel about that. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories Signing off have a wonderful Wednesday.

[Nancy Grace]

Goodbye friend.

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