Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: "EPSTEIN BABY? SEARCH FOR BODIES"
Date: March 17, 2026

Episode Overview

In this explosive episode, Nancy Grace investigates the latest developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case—specifically, an active search for bodies of missing girls at his infamous Zorro Ranch in New Mexico. The discussion features forensic experts, victim advocates, and survivors, unmasking new angles of Epstein's alleged crimes on U.S. soil. Alongside the chilling search for bodies, the show addresses shocking revelations that Epstein may have fathered a child, persistent failures by law enforcement, the continued silence surrounding Ghislaine Maxwell, and the traumatizing legacy left with the victims. Nancy Grace and her panel demand accountability and deeper investigation into one of America’s darkest criminal sagas.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Search for Bodies at Zorro Ranch

Timestamps: 02:42–11:57

• The New Mexico authorities are actively searching Epstein's Zorro Ranch following a tip that two girls were allegedly murdered and buried on the property at Epstein's order.
• The search focuses particularly on areas of the ranch leased from the state, previously used for cattle grazing, with roughly 1,500 acres under scrutiny.
• The property is vast—nearly 8,000 acres making the search for remains extremely complex.
• The tip originated from data dumps and emails revealed in recent document releases (04:55), with descriptions of two girls being choked to death during "wild, perverted sex acts."
• Nancy Grace sharply questions why the FBI failed to search this U.S. property post-Epstein’s death, despite aggressive searches in other states and at his Caribbean island (05:57).

Notable Quote:
"Searching Zorro Ranch, it’s like looking for a needle in a stack of needles right now."
—Joe Scott Morgan, Forensic Expert (05:33)

2. Impact on Victims & Systemic Failures

Timestamps: 09:43–13:37

• Victim advocates and survivors' families, including Danny Roberts (brother of Virginia Giuffre), speak about the trauma associated with the ranch and the need for truth and accountability (09:19).
• Dr. Bethany Marshall reframes the alleged crimes as "torture," emphasizing that the trauma inflicted has life-long devastating effects and criticizing euphemisms like "rough sex" (11:57).
• Lynn Shaw, Lynn’s Warriors, asserts that crimes at Zorro Ranch were frequently downplayed, and calls out authorities and the FBI for failing to act for decades (15:18).

Notable Quotes:
"We have to get away from the words rape and rough sex and use the appropriate terminology, which is torture. If these girls died, there was torture."
—Dr. Bethany Marshall (11:57)

"There is no such thing as 'falling through the cracks.' Somebody failed. The system failed."
—Nancy Grace (10:56)

3. Details of Abuse and Grooming

Timestamps: 15:36–20:16, 27:01–34:56

• Lynn Shaw and Dr. Bethany Marshall describe the grooming process at Zorro Ranch: girls lured with promises of glamour, luxury, shopping, and then systematically isolated and abused.
• Zorro Ranch is described as a "Disneyland for girls," with nowhere to run—victims were often foreign, with language barriers compounding their isolation.
• The panel draws parallels to cult behavior, and the psychological manipulation that left victims confused and blaming themselves.
• Video and photographic evidence surfaced from an employee who tried to use the material as "insurance," demanding payment for turning it over to authorities (17:43).

Notable Quote:
"This is a bigger story… girls reported to me: there was nowhere to run at Zorro Ranch. It was just acres and acres of nothing…We had to comply."
—Lynn Shaw (15:37)

Survivor Testimony:
"I suddenly realized, oh, my God, my family aren't going to see me again. These people might kill me."
—Juliet Bryant, Epstein victim (27:01, 34:04, 42:30, 34:29)

4. Failures of Law Enforcement and Ongoing Investigations

Timestamps: 20:16–22:43, 25:56–28:09

• Significant criticism is leveled at federal, state, and local authorities for their lack of action, even after official complaints of abuse at Zorro Ranch dating back to the 1990s.
• Rep. Melanie Stansbury (08:41, 22:11) discusses the importance of the ongoing investigation to deliver justice and to finally bring answers to survivors.

Notable Quote:
"Hidden in plain sight, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell built something very different—a house of horrors. Money and power do not buy you a different set of laws."
—Nancy Grace (21:58)

5. The Process of Locating Remains

Timestamps: 28:09–31:48

• Forensic expert Joe Scott Morgan details the intricate, methodical process needed to find buried bodies: satellite imagery comparisons, drone overflights with spectral and infrared cameras, and eventual on-the-ground grid searches, led by forensic anthropologists and geologists.
• Emphasizes not rushing the process to preserve possible evidence.

Notable Quote:
"If you want to honor any victims that are out there, you have to take your time working these cases… This is going to be a very involved process."
—Joe Scott Morgan (28:09)

6. Ghislaine Maxwell’s Prison Life & Unanswered Questions

Timestamps: 45:40–54:16

• Ghislaine Maxwell, imprisoned in Texas, is described as ruling the facility, refusing to bathe, intimidating inmates and staff, and exploiting loopholes in prison protocol (46:17).
• She remains largely silent about Zorro Ranch and is suspected of orchestrating certain privileges.
• Discussion includes concerns about why she has not cooperated more, and speculation on potential deals or political influence.
• Experts debate her narcissistic, sociopathic behavior and its psychological impact.

Notable Quotes:
"She's not being charged with a thing. I think the question we should be asking is why is she allowed, from what I hear, to run the camp?"
—Lynn Shaw (52:37)

"This is actually a peculiarity of sociopathy...When you are so grandiose...you feel no need to bathe because your such and such doesn't stink, right?"
—Dr. Bethany Marshall (48:07)

7. Epstein’s “Baby” and Continuing Mysteries

Timestamps: 54:16–55:19

• Briefly covered amid the more urgent investigation, reports circulate that Epstein fathered a child—a little boy—with a woman he labeled "the perfect woman."
• This information was reportedly well-known among Epstein’s inner circle, even being acknowledged by the former Duke (Prince Andrew) via a congratulatory email.
• The panel is wary, however, not to let this distract from focusing on the search for bodies and pursuit of justice.

Notable Quote:
"Right now I’m more concerned about the bodies that may be uncovered at Zorro Ranch…If you know or think you know anything...please dial 800-CALL-FBI."
—Nancy Grace (55:19)

Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Danny Roberts on Survivor Trauma
  "Standing here at Zorro Ranch, a place that represents such trauma and nightmares for my sister and so many other survivors is harder than I ever imagined."
  —Danny Roberts (09:19)

• On the Need for Systemic Change
  "Our government has failed, our law enforcement has failed here, and the FBI is top of the list. Why is Ghislaine the only one ever arrested right now?"
  —Lynn Shaw (16:32)

• On Victims’ Lifelong Struggles
  "It’s like breaking your arm and never getting it set. You will learn how to flip a pancake, but it's never the same."
  —Nancy Grace (11:18)

Notable Timestamps for Key Segments

• Search for Bodies Begins: 03:16–08:41
• Voices of Survivors & Relatives: 09:19, 27:01, 34:04, 42:30
• Forensic Search Process: 28:09–31:48
• Discussion on Maxwell’s Prison Situation: 45:40–54:16
• Epstein “Baby” Revelation: 54:16–55:19

Tone and Language

The tone throughout is urgent, passionate, and often outraged—reflecting Nancy Grace’s signature style. The conversation is blunt, unvarnished, and frequently emotionally charged, whether discussing the technicalities of forensic investigation or the devastating human toll on victims.

Conclusion

This episode lays bare new horrors in the Epstein saga, revealing failures at every institutional level and raising chilling questions that remain unanswered:

• Why was Zorro Ranch left unsearched for so long?
• Will more victims ever see justice?
• What influence still protects key players like Ghislaine Maxwell?
• Will crucial files and video evidence ever be made public?

Nancy Grace ends with a call to action for anyone with information and a recommitment to keeping the story—and its victims—front and center.

If you have any information on the crimes at Zorro Ranch:
CALL THE FBI: 800-225-5324